Alice in Wonderland is About Becoming a Woman - Disney Theory Film Studies | The Fangirl
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- What is actually happening in Disney's Alice in Wonderland? Well, film studies would lead me to believe that it's about growing up and fearing society. So Wonderland is leaving childhood.
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It occurred to me as a teen, watching a friend playing Alice: Madness Returns, that Alice in Wonderland as a concept, at least to me, was an extremely good depiction of what it feels like to be a child trying to exist around adults.
Think about it; she's the only person who doesn't understand what's going on, everyone around her refuses to tell or explain things to her, and when they do, they leave out CRUCIAL information because it's "obvious" (to an adult!), she's constantly being corrected for doing things the incorrect way (even though the way she did it still worked) because it's "not the ways those things are done!" For what appear to be nonsensical reasons, if any reasons are given!
Hell, even just in the way that nobody listens to her, cares about her opinion, or respects her bodily autonomy, is very reminiscent of being a child; being asked by people you don't know to do things that you've never done before for reasons unexplained/beyond your comprehension, and having those around you either coddle you like an incapable child or assume that you can do everything and don't need answers or help, despite you asking for it!
And that's before you even go into the emotional reactions a developing child has to unfamiliar surroundings, strange people/tasks, anxiety etc, and how often you'll be mocked, demeaned, belittled, etc for having any emotional reaction, happy, sad, anxious, angry, etc, all of them are deemed as entertaining, inconvenient, or "unnecessary", depending on the adult/situation.
Maybe it's the youngest child (out of 5) in me, with my oldest sibling being 20 when I was born, but, being the youngest person at almost all family events for a lot of my formative years was a very strange experience (and these are BIG events - 25-50-75 ppl) and you do feel a bit like Alice sometimes (though in retrospect I was more of a Coraline myself)
Wow 👏 👏 very smart theory ... Never thought of it that way but totally agree
Amazing
this is an awesome take
Haven't seen this movie in a while but the first thing that came to mind is the caterpillar's question: who are you? Isn't that what we are trying to figure out while growing up? Beautiful take on this!
Every time that I see Alice, something is telling me that the author was either crazy or writing around 3 AM.
Alice in wonderland is not about drugs, but mostly a coping mechanism of someone, who failed to understand non-euclidean geometry, who happened to be good at linguistics.
@@ollllj what do you mean?
You had me until the last part when you said the movie didn't age very well, I think the movie aged wonderfully when it comes to portraying female characters, Alice is a really likable and compelling lead, the movie in general has a good mix of male and female characters. The morel in the Disney version was a basic be carful what you wish for sorta message. And jsut because you consider the things that happen in Wonderland to be mediphphors for sexism, doesn't mean the movie didn't age well. The only reasoning I can think is that the "be careful what you wish for" message being interpreted as "don't bother wishing for anything new, you have to deal with your problems", but that doesn't really work especially considering the movie portrays all the craziness that happens to Alice as literal nonsense, I don't understand how that would make it not age well.
Plus woke reboots to elevate female leaders all bomb for several reasons.
@@the1magageneral323 ok you are generalizing
@@renatashp Nope, listen to other people like Clownfishtv, Midnight's edge from 2016 Ghostbusters to Disney Starwars explain why those woke reboot fail/bomb and why gender swapped established characters don't work.
Lewis Carroll was a little TOO interested in young girls growing up. He wrote 3 kinds of books, Logic textbooks, nonesense that plays with logic (most notably Alice in Wonderland), and nude photographs of the Liddell sisters, including Alice Liddell, on whom the character in the book is based. It started as stories he would tell to those girls.
It's pretty creepy, actually.
There's a great essay called "When Peter Met Alice" about how much Alice in Wonderland messed her up and Peter Pan did the same for his namesale Peter Llewelyn Davies. The two of them met in 1932 at a Lewis Carroll exhibit.
Christopher Robin Milne had a similar experience, compounded by the use of his full name and his own childhood playthings used by his father.
I always thought it was the movie was the personification of the dream journey. Which with this analysis, really makes you think... what on earth was going on in Alice's life to make her dream of a wonderful wonderland with secretly threatening undertones.
I can see your take on Alice and really love it!❤ I kinda figured this about Alice myself: Wonderland isn't used to an inquisitive curiosity or is very irritable towards being called out on something. I noticed there's male looking humans but the only human woman is a literal tyrant. Could this also mean everyone in WD is curious to a woman being different than their Queen? They all took a great interest in her quickly!
Lol I thought it was about tripping and just random stuff that goes on in our dreams ykno like it just makes no sense just cause like the human mind plus she goes down the rabbit hole that but I like what you had to say to very interesting dude gonna turn on my notifications now for sure
Oh I didn't even think of the innuendo for "down the rabbit hole!" 😱
The book is better
Me 2 or going through your first period
I always wondered why this movie never got a sequel, considering this is one of the very few Disney movies that actually leaves the door open for a sequel.
There are 3 books.
I thought there were only 2 books "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland" and the second "Alice through the looking glass". And my understanding is that the movie is a slight combination of the 2 books. Because I'm fairly certain that the queen of hearts is only in the second book.
@@alittleimagination9023 The Queen of Hearts is in the first book but the Red Queen is the antagonist of the second book (the antagonists of the first book are playing cards while in the second book they are chess pieces). But that's not what I'm getting at. The point is that this movie leaves things open for a sequel, such as whether or not Alice dreamt the whole experience and incorporating more elements from the books like the Jabberwock, the Gryphon, the White and Red Queens etc.
Alice in Wonderland had a more ambiguous ending rather than the traditional "happily ever after" ending.
And yes, I know the live-action Tim Burton movie is technically a sequel, but the dark and creepy tone doesn't really match the whimsical and surrealist tone of the original.
I'm not very sure on that but it might have been alongside the sequels that got axed when Lasseter took charge of Disney.
You see, when they started doing the direct to DVD sequels they first focused on their most popular and recent movies, those of the rennaisance. But after they got succesful they planned to give sequels to more movies of the past like Dumbo, the great mouse detective and even possibly Alice.
But then they bought Pixar and John Lasseter became the CEO of both studios. And he decided that it would be better for Disney to put all the focus on original stories so as to not compromise the integrity of their brand anymore with sequels
Riiiiiight, why is feminism seen as such a bad word?? 😭 its instantly assumed to be an extreme crazy men hating take the second its brought up which is obviously not the case
I don't understand why people think that IS the case. Man-hating and feminism are two different things (although, admittedly, a lot of man-hating came about due to men having anti-feminist/anti-equality views). I said in one video that Rapunzel should have cut her own hair, because the movie is literally Eugene stealing her power from her and destroying what makes her special, and the comment section FREAKED OUT. Where's the lie, though?
@@TheFangirlWatches The word feminism is seen as a bad word, due to people like you. This is due because people like you take (mostly) innocent movies and way over think it. You cherry pick what you need, and discard anything that contradict your statements. The cat, is the one who ends up helping her. The doorknob, is a door. He tries to help her get to where she wanted to be. And no, he doesn't chastise her for getting things wrong, he laughs it off, because he is amused, but doesn't get angry. I find what you said about the flowers, mostly correct, but other then that, I see it as way over thinking and you're talking about what you *need* to talk about. This is my opinion, but I honestly think you are out of your mind.
@@TheFangirlWatches I would think that the freak out came from the complete misinterpretation of the story.
The point is that it's not the hair that makes her special it's her personality. And by cutting it Eugene freed her from the burden of being a target while also proving he loved her for who she was, unlike Gothel that only saw her as a means to an end
Because bastardicig the term is a tool to stigmatice the people assosiated with that word.
For example fujoshy Is girls that like anime and manga, but people (specialy japanese men) used the term as an insult assosiated it to being annoying and only liking gay manga.
I did my senior thesis on analyzing Alice in Wonderland as an awakening to self-consciousness. The essay confirms to a good amount of your points about the ridiculousness of society.
I brought an Alice in Wonderland pop-up book for my professors to look at as I presented.
Super fascinating take on the movie! I’m currently doing a college project on Alice in Wonderland so this was very interesting to watch. Do you think it’s the same metaphor in the live action remake?
Amazing. Actually, if they had thought of this, that would make them better.
Then, if you look at the book, it could be argued he was trying to teach a little girl he knew intermediate concepts in math(in the sequel. The first was only meant to entertain.)
And, by the way, the remake was not better. It treats her more as a plot device than the seven year old girl she was. And ages her up for no good reason. Placing her in an arranged marriage to a brat as a source of low-key narrative tension, then turning her into a girlboss afterwards is not a good reason.
To be fair, one would think Alice learned her lesson when encountering the doorknob. Don't eat strange items! If the knob's eat me cookies make her grow rapidly, don't eat any cookies at the rabbit's house, either. Not in a "blame the victim" sort of way, just an "exercise caution" way. She now has some idea that the food and drinks do weird things to her body, and should therefore exercise caution when confronted with odd food/drinks she finds there.
I love this movie. It's all nonsense but it's entertaining nonsense. Have you read the book? And you should learn about the author Lewis Carroll
I have read all three of the series. And Carroll would be put on that list that makes you not allowed to live near parks or schools. And what was up with 19th century parents?
Sure 30 year old man. Go have a sleep over with my 11 year old daughter. Totally normal.
@@JohnGalt916 I thought there were only 2 books "Alice's adventures in Wonderland" and "Alice through the looking glass"
Lewis Caroll is a creep.
This is also how it feels to be autistic in a neurotypical world. Combine being autistic and a woman and ooooh boy
I'm autistic myself and thought Alice in this version was as well.
I always thought it was more about the need to face reality. In the beginning, Alice's sister is essentially preparing her for adolescence but Alice shows no interest in her lessons because she wants to stay in her unpredictable child-like world. Wonderland then basically embodies Alice's childhood, where everything is unpredictable. But Wonderland treats Alice unfairly because it has no concept of rules or logic, which gives Alice a reality check and she wants to go home. And once she is home, she finally appreciates logic. Thus taking her first step towards adulthood. It's a basic coming-of-age story. We see a similar treatment with Pinocchio, Bambi and The Jungle Book.
I doubt this movie was written with a feminist mindset because Walt Disney himself was extremely right-wing conservative and didn't like the idea of breaking gender roles. That is the main reason why female protagonists during the Disney golden and silver ages are mostly submissive, gentle and motherly. It wasn't really until the 90's when Disney female protagonists were allowed to be more independent.
To be honest, I never gave this much thought until recently. I saw this movie first when I was about 6 and all I remember is that I had a huge crush on Alice and was in love with Kathryn Beaumont's soothing voice. XD
Alice in Wonderland is literally my favourite Disney movie, I love how weird and wonderful it is. the fact that you travel down into this world where nothing makes sense is awesome. I love your take on it though and you bring up many good points, I think especially for the era and how it would’ve been is a society as a woman in English culture back then resonate strongly. I always saw Alice in Wonderland as a resistance to growing up or fear of growing up. PS I love your videos I’ve just discovered you and I’m about to binge some more.
I always just thought it was a drug trip, then I heard the creator of the original story was something of a predator as he seemed to lust after the little girl Alice was originally based on in the books.
You opened my eyes.
the whole book is about the awaking of sexuality and growing up knowing about the author is impossible to miss that he was lusting after Alice
I think the movie ages great, particularly for the reasons you suggested. Wonderland is not supposed to be a fair society to Alice, it’s supposed to be confusing as hell, and it’s supposed to be overly critical of what Alice does. That’s the point of Wonderland. It’s not supposed to be a place anyone should want to stay, particularly because the nonsense of Wonderland is not to dissimilar to our own. Complaining about Wonderland being unfair is like complaining a Dystopia is unfair. And we’re supposed to sympathize with Alice and feel what she’s going through as she is a kid/woman in a strange world where she’s supposed to follow nonsensical rules that only seem to screw her over. The story wouldn’t work if These obstacles were not there and Wonderland was a nice place with only nice people who were friendly. It’s still a great video for pointing out the symbols and alternative feminists themes, but I think Alice going up against a nightmare world of madness symbolic of our own is the point, not to say the obvious mad denizens of Wonderland are supposed to be seen as right when they are clearly crazy and wrong
The point of Alice in Wonderland is that is nonsensical.
If your theory is correct, which it seems to be, this depiction of how women were treated in British society aged fine.
This is basically canon although some of the points you make I don't agree with. In the beginning of the movie Alice is being tutored by her older sister who is an elegant yet strict woman basically the epitome of Victorian ideals. Alice is climbing trees(bad for girls to do regardless of age), not listening(bad for children who were to be seen and not heard), playing with her pet cat Dinah instead of learning from her big sister(seen as disrespecting authority) and she is constantly being corrected for having an imagination and doing things the "wrong" way. In a World of My Own the song in the beginning is about how she feels like this world isn't meant for her and she wants to escape it something almost anyone especially girls growing up could relate to. Then everyone in Wonderland treats her like how her big sister does she's not even free in her own mind(since she wakes up at the end Wonderland is all just a dream to her). She wants to return home not for her sister but, to see her cat implying she has a stronger bond with her pet than her family. She then wakes up and immediately is thrown back into reality where her sister is the same and Alice is the one who has changed.
I think Alice In Wonderland is a movie made with girls growing up in mind(although it's made in the 50's so Alice had to "grow up") the story and themes are similar to that of Peter Pan(another Disney movie made in the 50's where the main character learns to grow up but still hold on to her imagination...coincidentally Wendy is voiced by the same girl as Alice and both live in Victorian London I think.) I feel like it goes deeper than just a girl learning a "woman's role" in society though. While Wendy's adventure was real in her world and she had to learn how to be more nurturing and kind to those around her(Peter, her brothers, the lost boys) Alice's journey is all a dream. Alice in Wonderland more so than Peter Pan to me she is more of an outsider. Alice to me and this could be me speculating a bit too much, is neurodivergent. At least unintentionally coded to have ND traits. Having a rich inner world to escape to when society as a whole keeps telling you everything you do and say and think is wrong and you're never going to fit in but you have to play the part anyway? And how she is intelligent but she is dismissed because she is "overly" emotional or not communicating the "correct" way?(like when she gets mad at the caterpillar or when she gets frustrated at the Queen of Hearts because of how unfair she is) Sounds a lot like the experience a lot of autistic girls and women go through today.
I don't think they wrote any of that intentionally especially the time and place and the material it is based on but, it's hard to not see it like that in a modern context watching it(especially if you are disabled in some way hi I'm a disabled woman myself and it's still my favorite movie because I relate so much to Alice ). The moral was that she had to grow up and that her dreams weren't as great as they seemed in the beginning to appease the 1950's audience where girls were expected to want to be housewives and mothers in the future above all else. Alice is just a rebellious Victorian girl learning how to be a young lady who doesn't question the system. It's not a great message but, I feel like the movie still has a lot of good in it. It's just affected by the views of American society at the time and Victorian England's society in the source material.
In modern retellings of Alice that are inspired by the Disney movie they frequently write her as being mentally ill because the way the audience views Alice and the way others would view Alice in the retellings is ableist(saying things like it must be a drug trip, she must be cr*zy or an addict, no way anyone would ever think like that, if a real little girl thought like that she would be institutionalized, she's a sch*zo, she's just a little girl they aren't that well spoken, she's making it up for attention, she's too emotional). It's sexist and ableist not at all uncommon for Victorian England or our time either sadly. I feel like in modern retellings we focus more so on Victorian England than the original Disney movie did is because with the harsh expectations on women, the darker aesthetic, the dark history of the time and, the countless media tropes about sexism(like the corset myths) it's perfect for modern audiences to consume without feeling too called out for how society is now towards disabled and mentally ill women(it's almost always making us feel pity for Alice because she's ~not actually cr*zy guys! Wonderland is real!111!!!~ like it would be okay if she was mentally ill??? or on the other negative extreme playing up her mental illness to the point she becomes a Joker-esque character and demonizes her for it as well).
Alice as a character, a pop culture figure, will never stop being interesting to me. She has so much more depth to her than a lot of other little girl characters in classic children's stories. People can use Alice to empower or put more expectations on women. They can use her to bring awareness to or to further stigmatize disability. They can make Wonderland a comforting escape from the real world or a nightmare that is a fantastical reflection of our world. They can disregard all rules and write all the nonsense they want to or they can try to bring deeper meaning to the story. I don't think we could have all the variation that we see in Alice in a character like Wendy even though they are so similar on paper.
I have a similar ND reading of this story. While I know it's not intentional on Lewis Carroll or Disney's part, but a lot of the traits are there. Being ND myself, sometimes I certainly feel like Alice when I'm around neurotypical people. I would love to see a retelling of this story with a ND Alice. The closest thing to that is maybe the Owl House. Even then, Luz having ADHD is just a footnote said by the creator in a tweet.
Oh wow!!! I’ve never think of this way. This is a cool and amazing analysis.
This is a great analysis!
Hey I made it to the end! Love the new intro btw
While yes I agree Alice in Wonderland is partly about growing up and changing, I think you put to much of todays mindset into a movie who is based on a book from waaaayyyy back and is more about growing from child to adult than it is about specifically growing from girl to women.
Edit: Also, to answer your question why "feminism" is now considered "bad": it's becouse the term get's missused by women/people who claim to be for "equality", while in thruth all they want to do is push others down. Those who claim petite girl are unhealthy and should "grow up and free themselfe from mans hold on them", those who say man don't have a right to be happy, those who say man can't face sexual abuse, those who think women should be treated with benefits in work spaces. You know? The crazy people who claim to be "feminist", even though they are far from the idea of "equl rights for all".
No one want's to be asosiated with those kinds of people. And becouse they are so loud and hatefull towards others, especially on twitter, they kind of draged the howl feminism movement down with them.
Couldn't have said it better myself
Wow that was so deep! But it makes so much sense. It makes me feel better cause I feel shamed too cause I’m too tall and too vocal at times
I always thought Alice in Wonderland was about drug addiction. But this makes sense. 🙂
Wow, amazing thoughts on the movie! I never thought of it that way.
I’m so glad you watched and got a different perspective.
Love your outlook on this movie, I always loved this movie and book
I also didn’t miss how the only woman in charge was a crazy, evil tyrant. In all the Disney movies, stepmoms and single Queens are always evil and older.
But the queen wasn't single though, the King was alive and by her side.
(At least in this movie.)
I always love your videos they are always
interesting❤❤❤
Nice. Thanks for sharing your view of Alice in Wonderland. I'm not aware of this 'hidden' agenda of this story. Seems very logical.
I never thought about that!
Alice and Wendy could be great friends
They're actually the same voice actor!
@@TheFangirlWatches true! That isn't the only time Disney characters sounded similar. Baloo from Jungle Book had the same voice as Little John from Robin Hood
Great video 😊😊😊😊
Very strong opening good job
Makes an alarming amount of sense.
Right? It is eerily relatable!
How? 😂
@@cutekoala5492 You have clearly never had people try to fit you in the box of "Proper Young Lady."
I just liked the cat and Alice’s mom for some odd reason I always thought they were interesting
i always thought it was suggestive of psychedelics but i also think the comment about childhood is interesting as well as your video
Oh all of that "eat me" "drink me" stuff is definitely comparable to a trip! No arguments there!
This is so interesting!
I'm not a psychologist, but it feels like you're forcing some insecurities onto a 1950s movie that was simply an acid trip.
and it sounds like you're jerk.
The original story was abt Alice in wonderland syndrome but this also works for what it's abt.
You are so right omg, now it all makes more sense though it might just be a theory
Fascinating analysis
I think wonderland sucks so alice desire to get back home seems much reasonable.
Considering that the original book was written to a pre-teen girl, by a man who rather playing and chatting with girls than with other adults, specially her, since he really liked her way of thinking and used to communicate with her with this kind of word games, and considering they were kind of considered misfits in their society, and that he would later go out of his way to protect her, I think this makes a lot sense
YES. A million times yes. I see it too
I'm so glad it's not just me!
I always thought the story more as a meraphor for childhood confusion, not nessisarally specific to growing up as a women, my theory was that the crazy people in Wonderland were personifications of adults in Alice's life, hell the movie literally begins with Alice's older sister saying she has to do this instead of that, and all the crazy rules being how Alice felt about the arbitrary rules that get placed, being a kid there are a lot of rules that are confusing and seem to only apply to you but not the adults around you. The women theory is interesting especially given the time period in which the story takes place.
Alice in Lewis Carroll's Alice's Adventures in Wonderland is dreaming and there is no way for me as a reader to tell what physical abilities she may have while awake; could Alice have a physical disability? As a reader with Cerebral Palsy, I think yes, in this paper I will interpret Alice as Physically disabled.
There are some passages that I find interesting as they seem to be confirming my theory. The way the Caucus Race Lewis Carroll described The Caucus Race is "All the party were placed along the course here and there. There was no 'One, two, three, and away' but they began running when they liked and left off when they liked..." at last, the Dodo said everybody has won, and all must have prizes.'' As a player of adapted sports, this attitude is not nonsensical but quite normal, as these are often the rules in adapted sports that are less intense for disabled people. Alice also struggles to hold the Duchess' pig-baby. It says "... Kept doubling itself up and straightening itself out again, so that altogether, for the first minute or two, it was as much as she could do to hold it." I've never held a live baby, but since my right arm is weak, it seems logical that I would struggle to do this. She also struggles with holding her flamingo during the game of croquet. It says "The chief difficulty Alice found at first was in managing her flamingo: she succeeded in getting its body tucked away, comfortably enough, under her arm, with its legs hanging down, but generally, just as she had got its neck nicely straightened out, and was going to give the hedgehog a blow with its head, it would twist itself round and look up in her face." The fact that the Queen of Hearts, the villain of the piece, whom the dreaming Alice has created is ableist to the extreme is how the mind of a disabled person like me, would recreate that person in my head. Alice has experienced ableism in real life, and she emotionally processes it through creating this over-the-top situation in her dream. Lewis Carroll only says of the other players that they were "Quarreling," not that they struggled with their flamingos. As a final note, while it does say Alice ran to get to the house at the end of the story, Alice says in "Down The Rabbit Hole" "I shall think nothing of tumbling downstairs! How brave they'll think me at home!" The Line ``How brave they'll think me at home!" implies that this happens more often than it happens to most normally developed children, her Disability may affect some physical abilities and not others. For example, I have the most control over my legs and the least control over my hands. There is also how “Involved” the stuff Alice does in Wonderland is, to begin with.
The content of Alice's dream represents her ambitions, which for a disabled person can be the simplest things. Most of the stuff done in Wonderland is simple, day-to-day activities. Alice dreams of swimming, eating, drinking, having a race, going to a tea party, learning a dance, playing a sport( Croquet), playing fetch with a dog, walking around, talking to people; all given a delightfully bizarre spin by Lewis Carroll; which like the quotes in the paragraph above suggest on a normal day her disability may not let her do the simplest things. The poems being repeated by Alice were based by Lewis Carroll on real poems, and that means Alice is consciously integrating them into her dream like I do today with popular characters and celebrities. This is why I can see myself as Alice rather than just identify with her.
Alice's Adventures in Wonderland gave me confidence in my disabled identity. The Caucus Race had the same rules as the adapted sports I was allowed to play, making the fact that they isolated me from my abled-bodied peers easier. Alice and I both have a strong intellect, She thinks about how far she's fallen, she thinks about how to get into the garden, math, geography, and poetry the typical way we measure intellect, in the first two chapters alone. Alice is disturbed by the fact that she can't seem to remember the things she used to know, She says to Caterpillar ``I can't remember the things I used".I have Cerebral Palsy, and the one thing I got praise for more than anything else was being smart. None of the other characters seem to notice Alice is smart, this is because there is a stereotype that the disabled aren't smart. Throughout Alice's Adventures in Wonderland' the characters doubt, or simply ignore Alice's intellect. The Caterpillar tells Alice of her rendition of “You Are Old Father William'' that “It was wrong from beginning to end When told by Alice that “The Earth takes 24 hours to turn around on its axis” the Duchess replies “Talking of axes, chop off her head!” The Mad Hatter teases her with “Why is a raven like a writing desk?” and then tells her he has no idea what the answer is. The Mock Turtle and the Griffin let her explain a little bit of her rendition of “Tis the Voice of the Sluggard.'' Soon after saying that the poem is too hard for them; Alice is making progress. When she finally gets to prove her intellect, called as a witness at the Knave's trial, saying that the evidence “Has not an atom of meaning in it.” and that sentencing someone first is “Stuff and nonsense!” but the response is “Off with her head!” Nevertheless, the Queen of Hearts acknowledges that what Alice said makes sense to her, sending the cards upon her, ending her dream, and finally validating her intellect. Alice's Adventures in Wonderland makes me value my intellect, even if I don't consider breaking stereotypes valuable to myself. The fact that Wonderland is a dream provides me with the opportunity to say “I can go on an adventure, defeat a villain, just like everybody else” because Alice isn't doing anything except sleeping! That's why the “It's only a dream” ending can be molded into something beautiful.
Alice is dreaming, there's hardly any way to judge what abilities she possesses. Wonderland is more accommodating, requiring no physical feats of daring-do, just a chance to prove one's intellect. Her physical struggles in Wonderland reflect her physical struggles in real life. Navigating Wonderland lets her figure out how to combat ableism and oppression. The idea that maybe Alice could be like me is a magical and realistic ending for intelligent, imaginative, and adventurous girls like me and Alice.
I thought Alice could be autistic.
Do you think that it’s possible that TweedleDee and TweedleDum’s names suggest that they might be only playing dum, but underneath have hidden motives?
Interesting theory it makes sense😊🥰👍💯💕💞💖
You know what, Jungle Book does the same thing. Except for the opposite, with Mowgli leaving the jungle and going to the Man village, symbolizing him going from a boy to a man. Also every animal like Shre Khan sees him as this one day to be a big strong man, and towards the end him defending himself not being a boy, and now a man defeats the tiger, while the rest of the movie he was sheltered and taken care of, being weak and small boy.
For instance there are a couple moments in the movie where he is made fun for being scrawny and weak which is not the role of a man.
Hey it's even better with your take. A metaphorical statement piece.
Today is National Princess Day, so how about we all consider Alice an honorary Disney Princess because of this video being made on said day?
There was a Care Bear movie based on Alice in Wonderland. Alice was the actual princess of Wonderland in that.
not mostly, but also, just because the main character was well designed enough.
This is one of my favorite Disney movies ❤
Wow, I love this. I don't have much to say lol.. I'm still thinking about it lol. I guess, mission accomplished. Hehehe, cheers
Can you talk about Kaitou Joker?
I honestly thought I was the only one thinking this and that it was just my imagination, thank you
I just wanna say i agree with your take on Alice in wonderland. I also just want to answer your question in the video. The reason why so many people are against feminism, at least ppl today, is because there are alot of women who use feminism to spread hate and be sexist towards men instead of seeking justice and true equality they demand double standards. I'm not saying men don't get away with things that women can't bc they do and they are listened to more than us women but i was just answering your question. Modern feminism is not really the same as it originally was and there a some manipulative ppl they use it as a way to push wrong things and that's why ppl are sick of it.
I think people mostly get peeved by the very mention of feminism because some loud individuals have managed to give the whole movement a bad reputation.
I certainly know angry or loud individuals who are feminists, and I know a lot of people don't like that stereotype of a person, but, also, everyone toolbox needs a hammer, right? I'm sure those loud feminists have had experiences that brought them to that point, and now they want to fight extra hard to be seen, heard, and have changes happen.
One thing I wish they left in was the Red King pardoned everyone sentenced to beheading. Maybe the Red Queen didn’t know or calmed down enough not to care. Maybe it’s suggesting that even the strongest woman is not really in charge. 🤔
Take a look at the live action movie and apply that logic to that movie.
So it’s an allegory
I made it to the end!😁
It is actually about Christianity. If you do not believe me, you can watch Outerscience Amv with Alice in wonderland theme song. The Queen of Hearts reminds me of Governor Whitmer. We just need to repent. As what the devil said, "This is madness." May the snake laugh at us all from our pride and sins! Alice represents a Christian. She is an outcast from a material world.
I totaly agree with you but I also noticed
that the queen of hearts could refer to menstruation. Think about it Alice istället seen as wrong because of the queen of hearts or as she's also known The Red Queen!
You know what... that is an EXCELLENT point that I totally didn't think of!
Hate it be that guy but the point of the story isn't one.besides being a fun story for chrilden the original was made on the fly.but you can think what you want
Wouldn't that be a lovely cover for criticisms though? "This story sounds awfully feminist, Carroll..." "Oh, does it? It's really about nothing with no point. It's all random whimsy!"
@@TheFangirlWatches well it is I'm not saying you're wrong it's your interpretation but who do have to consider who wrote it and why . but I must stress you can think what you want
...I mean the whole point of the book is that it's about nothing. There is no plot.
I always thought that the movie was an euphemism for drugs
Nice theory by the way here’s a fun fact
Fun fact:this movie is based on a book by Lewis Carroll in 1865
You are correct Jon!
@@TheFangirlWatches thx
Pretty much everybody knows that.
AussieMan yeah agree
No one gave her a chance to do anything.
Completely unfair.
There are sadly a LOT of women throughout history that could say the same. Alice is their poster child. :(
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT THE NINJA TURTLES AND CALL IT WHAT WOULD HAVE HAPPENED IF SPLINTER SURVIVED THE SUPER SHREDDER?!
We should accept and be accepted, the way we are and not seek to change our self's physically. Unless our physically state a danger to our physically heath.
I wouldn't look up the history of him
Bit of a reach out of all your theories I’ve heard so far. I’d also disagree with some of the ideologies that predicate your theories
We ae all people.
Wow awesome Theory
So glad you liked it!
@@TheFangirlWatches np
Alice literally brakes the glass ceiling when she grow too big for the house and the world. They where a reflection of society that tells her to, “make herself smaller” and “not ask questions.” Im here for the feminist reading sis. Women can be misogynists too.
The movie is very different from the source material. Cartoon Alice is a nice girl, so it does look like she is getting a raw deal with how the wacky Wonderland crew tease her.
I suppose feminism as we understand it is first and foremost a political left movement and will go against women's rights when women's rights conflict with said politics. So the political left's ideals concerning the role of government - that it's good for a government of mostly men to have financial control over your life and make decisions for you - is really as patronising as the Caterpillar and his Wonderland crew who think they know better than Alice. Furthermore the political left believes in cultural relativism - so feminists consider misogyny in other cultures to be acceptable because of cultural relativism. Also a give away that it's not really concerned with women's rights. They would say that talking down to a girl is alright in Wonderland because it's important to show cultural sensitivity to Wonderland.
I like the nonsense and over the top nonsense things
The original book was about becoming a woman. Alice talked about other girls bodies changing and getting older among other things. You should read the original
Is there anyone who ships Alice with Christopher Robin???
No, they're both children.
I had to laugh at how hard your reaching with this. Alice in Wonderland represent the child's struggle to survive to survive in the confusing world of adults which from child point of view is utter nonsense. To understand the adult world she has to overcome the open-mindedness that is characterized for children. All the characters are short with Alice and dismiss of her cause as the Cheshire cat plainingly put it "we re all mad". You reading into things that aren't there, if alice had been an arther in stead, wonderland people wouldn't have treated the character any different. there not mistreating her because shes a girl its cause she a child. if you consider back on how children were treated back. your literally ingore that all the character ARE CRAZY.
I'm all for women's equal rights and treatment but I think this video is a far reach. It's a fucked up movie with fucked up imagery and I'm sure drugs played a big role in it.
The book is better
More problem with female power is equal me equal in all things that mean that women can pay for date
Women can/often do pay for dates. The idea that the guy automatically pays is a social construct that can be challenged, just like anything else! If you feel that someone is taking advantage of you, tell them in advance you'd like to pay separately. If she has a big issue with that and doesn't want to go out with you anymore, then you saved yourself a lot of problems from spending money on someone you don't want to be with, right? 💁
Interesting how a man wrote this theory is accurate
Sixth
6th or 600th, your comment is still appreciated! 💕
@@TheFangirlWatches thanks
What do you think of the theory that Alice is Cinderella’s mother?
That makes no sense. Cinderella is French and she's royalty. Alice is British and is merely an upper class citizen.
@@vetarlittorf1807 Cinderella wasn’t royalty by birth, though. She became royalty through marriage. Her birth family was nobility, however. And Alice could’ve moved to France after marrying Sir Richard Tremaine (Cinderella’s Father).
@@YellowBear-kx1ff That still wouldn't make sense because Alice in Wonderland takes place in 1865 while Cinderella takes place during the Napoleonic period.
Or it's the other way around and Alice is a descendant of Cinderella. 🤔
I'm not a feminist, but I seriously don't mind your feminist take on this. This was England at what time era? Or course they mistreated women for 'not behaving right' and it sucked. We now live in a time where...you can be whoever YOU wish to be. And the only men, and women, to look down on you for it are incels and Karens.
You don't have to convince us it's common knowledge at this point 😂