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For me the highlight here is Spock holding into Bones shoulder. Showing his surpressed human emotional side - a small gesture but huge for Spock. He shows his friendship to Kirk quite often but less obviously towards Bones. The friendship of the three is the heart the whole show for me.
NGL, I've watched this show since the 70's and that scene still makes me a bit misty, so much was said in that one gesture between the two of them despite the seemingly adversarial relationship. Spock's most human moment I think.
After the five-year mission bones left Starfleet and went to work with the fabrini. If my memory is correct this is what was told in the novelization of the motion picture.
There is a novel called _Ex Machina_ which takes place after _STAR TREK The Motion Picture_ which is a follow-up to this episode. Still available as a paperback or an ebook.
With so many episodes seen already, you have a good sense of the relationship between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. I'm not sure if you plan to react to the Star Trek Movies, but having the understanding of that relationship gives you much more meaning to many of the interactions, especially in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Many reactors haven't been through the three seasons of the original series so they don't necessarily understand the interplay between the three, and how their relationship grows through the movies. By Star Trek VI, the characters feel like slipping into your favorite worn pair of shoes.. they fit together so well and you enjoy that level of familiarity when you watch them.
That’s one of the reasons I enjoy 5 more than most. It concentrates on the dynamic between the three. Spock is weird in 1 Spock is barely in 3 Spock isn’t himself in 4
@@SchlockstarJoe I agree. 5 is definitely uneven, but it has some of the best screen time moments with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. Spock is certainly not himself in 1, but I think you can say that about all of them. At the beginning of 1, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy have all been trying to "find themselves" since the end of the 5 year mission. Early in 1, McCoy even asks "How do we know about any of us?". By the end of the movie, they have all found themselves in each other and rekindled their bond and friendship.
No offense to anyone who likes the first movie, but I find it mind-numbingly dull, as well as derivative. Between viewings, I forget what happened. 🙃 I understand tastes vary, so if you like it, more power to you.
@@LadyhawksLairDotCom , when I was younger, it was my least favorite of the six. Now, in my forties, I’ve learned to appreciate it more. The pacing is part of its charm. Like the V-Ger orifice, it draws you in.
The Voyage Home, and The Wrath of Khan, are my two favorite. Worth mentioning is the first movie with Chris Pine. They did a great job introducing the characters. The story line was good as well. As long as you don't pick apart time travel.
I was nine years old when this episode first aired. It introduced me to a couple of science fiction tropes I had never considered before. It was the first time I encountered the idea of hollowing out an asteroid and turning it into a generation ship, and also the idea that a civilization could be ahead of ours in one area (in this case, medicine), but behind in another (no FTL propulsion). It didn't invent those tropes - they were already present in literature - but it popularized them for the masses.
This is Anton "Tony" Leader's only directing gig on THIS series…but he did direct one of the GREAT Twilight Zone episodes, "The Midnight Sun". So this episode went up a point just for that.
I'm enjoying some of your positive reviews of episodes that weren't considered the strongest in the past. One of the problems with Star Trek from the beginning, especially the original pilot "The Cage", was that it could be too intellectual (talky) for 60's era audiences. While great sci-fi, and usually very good storytelling, the creation of Kirk as the headliner was to combine WWII skipper, Western gunfighter, Cold War spy/ladykiller, bullheaded pugilistic law enforcement, and pragmatic idealist, and have him, and the show, appeal to enough people to keep it on the air. Season 3 was a lifeline from fanmail campaigns, but everyone knew it was the swan song. Modern audiences, like yourselves, have an entirely different expectation of storytelling and production, so you tend to focus on parts that older fans like myself might miss, or take for granted. We definitely have a different set of favorites, but that's great because it shows how a series like this has that potential to make everyone happy now and again. Most of my all-time favorite Star Trek episodes, and stories in general, come from TOS, so I'm really interested in how your reviews continue with the later series.
I think we long-term fans (me since 3-1/2 to 4 when live-viewing+current season reruns of season 1) who have seen each episode eleventy-dozen times are more loving of the "good" episodes and more critical of the "bad" episodes to the point that we need a first-time viewer's opinions as a reset so that we can evaluate them anew. When you can speak the dialog of the episode in sync with the actors you probably no longer have an unbiased view. For example, Spock's Brain was really only 72.37% as bad as I remembered it to be. And yes, I really can remember very brief snatches of season one from so young because there are some real-world interruptions mixed in to do a hard timestamp on the memory. MOST memories are not that solid and could be newer replacements. With stuff that old how can you be sure? I mean, which 53-year old Apollo 11 memories are real and which ones are from documentaries?
Your comment is appreciated. I definitely have some "guilty pleasure" episodes. I don't take about it because nowadays people take entertainment far too seriously. :)
The cast and crew really liked working with the actress who plays Natira. They even told her that they had no doubt that she would be back in season 4.
I'm glad you guys found elements of this episode enjoyable. I like Natira's line about how she would be glad to have that feeling for a day...a month...a year.
It had a good sci-fi concept of a race traveling for 10,000 years aboard a generation ship. The character driven story with Bones was good. It’s a solid episode.
This is the 3rd and final time the old man, Jon Lormer, appears in Star Trek. First he was one of the "survivors" of the crash on the Talosian planet in The Cage/The Menagerie. Then he was killed by the lawgivers in Return of the Archons for dissing Landru. He always meets his end in this show.
Yayyy!!! So happy you liked this one! One of my faves for sure...I've watched this ep so many times and couldn't wait for the review...btw...McCoy's relationship with Natira is visited in some books where they are still married
Bones had romantic interest in Yeoman Tonya Barrows in the episode "Shore Leave". BTW, Harlan Ellison developed a Sci Fi series called "The Starlost" about a colony ship divided into different habitats and the inhabitants don't know they're on a ship and think their respective habitat is all there is of their world. Apparently Ellison wasn't happy with the finished product and disowned the series and had his credit changed to a pseudonym.
If you ever saw an episode of The Starlost, you know why Ellison wasn't happy with it. Its production values made early Doctor Who look like 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Even as a kid I recognized the low budget, but I liked The Starlost. Garth, Rachel and Devon leaving Cyprus Corners to explore the vast ship. With a set up like that, it should have been a more popular series. Especially one Walter Koenig showed up.
As a man who believes that our future in space will involve living in large standalone habitats, I have a small but stubborn respect for this episode. Coming up next: we finally get to see what we've always wanted to see -- Uhura's bedroom. Some particularly cool aliens, too. Thanks, TA. Steady as she goes, warp factor two.
I’ve been waiting for you to get to this one, as it is my favorite TOS episode (I’m a huge fan of McCoy). In my head canon Bones and Natira stay married and that he lives with her in between TOS and the films, and in between each film. :)
It needn't be only your headcanon because there is a follow up story to this called _Ex-Machina._ I believe it takes place shortly after the motion picture.
Is Ex-Machina part of this same story telling in the original episode;For the world 🌎 is hollow,and I have touched the Sky?It would be interesting 🤨 to read about Doctor 👩⚕️ McCoy getting married!
Interstellar transit in 10,000 years is actually quite fast. It would take the fastest spacecraft we now have about 40,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri, the nearest star. If you've got Warp Drive, sure, travel is quick. But if your planet was going to be destroyed before you had a chance to develop that technology, and you had to build a spacecraft to reach another star in an emergency, it could easily take that long. Of course, this episode is based on the trope of the "generation ship," which we also saw in "By Any Other Name" (Season 2). There have been basically four solutions suggested to the enormous distances of interstellar travel: faster-than-light travel like Warp Drive (probably impossible), near-light travel with time dilation (possible but enormously difficult), hibernation/suspended animation, and the generation ship. Generation-ship stories frequently involve the problem of what happen when later generations (who, after all, never actually chose to be on this mission) impose their own agendas and desires on this ship that was supposed to spend years and years heading to their destination. Let's not forget that McCoy had a love story (well, an old love story) in "The Man Trap," the very first episode in Season 1. I assumed that "Keep this to yourself" referred to the crew. It would probably have been illegal for Kirk not to report to Starfleet a terminal illness in a member of his crew. Indeed, it was probably *McCoy's* responsibility to do that. I'm not sure that there are rules as to what Star Trek can, and cannot include. Certainly the principles of television/film allegory in 1968 were not the same as those in 2023. ST:Picard need not do the same thing as ST:TOS.
@@peterwinters8587 No. Warp “Drive” moves the ship through space. I think you’re confusing the term “subspace” heard in Star Trek next generation. The ship still moves through space using hand, waving magic sub space physics. And regardless, the asteroid isn’t using warp drive so it’s moving through Space. The big kind.
@@peterwinters8587 that’s warp “speed”. There is no warp “space” And again, the ASTEROID is not traveling at warp speed. That’s what we’re talking about
Good episode. it has a lot going for it. Enjoyed it even more with your reactions, comments and jokes. The after episode discussion was great, always appreciate your breakdown/analysis of the episodes. Thanks guys and Happy Birthday Alex!
This one is my overall favorite of any God-Computer episodes. At the end of the day, the computer never went haywire, it performed perfectly for its function, and in the end it gets them there, so amen to it.
This is a nice episode!It has it’s cruelty to it,and then,it get’s better in the end!And,I didn’t know that there was another story to this episode?That’s interesting!😮😮😮😮😮
Something I really, really appreciate about you guys is that you guys have been able to take the special effects or some of the, maybe, camp of the series in stride despite it being a 60 year old series. Maybe that's a testament to the series, maybe it's a testament to you guys as viewers or maybe both. It would be so easy to get caught up in the fluff and lose focus of the characters, stories or ethical dilemmas they come across. It's going to be interesting to see you guys tackle TNG's first few seasons b/c, ironically, despite it being more recent, I wonder if it'll look more campy/cheesy to you guys. With TOS, it's so many decades ago, maybe it's easier to suspend your disbelief? Whereas TNG will look modern enough, but will have some... very heavy late 80s, early 90s fashion choices and the like. Either way, can't wait!
Gonna crack my knuckles and jump for joy - I got a clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy. In a way I am envious of you two seeing this series for the first time. Got some solid stories coming up, and even a particularly groovy one.
I believe you are correct. The transporter is like a video game where once you are in a location, you can beam back there. Even if you couldn't before. That is a great analogy. Great video again. I am still appreciating you pointing out good things from season 3. It is something I apparently needed. Thanks.
In many episodes the transporter and the ship's computer are shown to be able to lock onto their locations via their communicators. Thus, they could have locked onto McCoy's communicator and set the transporter coordinates to be close to McCoy's location. The communicator may also store its location history, so that they could retrieve any location they have been to with their communicators and feed the coordinates to the transporter.
@@mikejankowski6321 That's what I had in mind, so thanks for stating it explicitly. Fun fact: While working for Motorola, Martin Cooper created the first personal cell phone, citing Captain Kirk's communicator on Star Trek as an inspiration. His first call on the 28-oz. (800 g) cordless cell phone - dubbed "the brick" - was to his rival at Bell Labs Research. (I wonder if he was related to Sheldon Cooper.😉 )
I'm surprised that you said McCoy finally had a love interest after so many episodes. He's had several, from Nancy in The Man Trap, to Yeoman Barrows in Shore Leave and now Natira.
Parts of it could've been better but it's still a good ep. Natira's a strong character and I liked her with McCoy. Spock finding out about McCoy's illness and his response to that was very moving.
Kirk and Spock are so concerned about McCoy not waking up, but it was only a minute later. Not everybody will recover at the same rate, and McCoy is older than the other two.
Kate Woodville is very regal in her mannerisms, speech, and graciousness. I really loved that about her performance. That really wins me over on this episode. Of course McCoy is played wonderfully by Deforest Kelly in this episode especially. And Spock's helping hand is also wonderfully done. I think your being too hard on Kirk. Kirk has to request a replacement Chief Medical Officer from Starfleet and as early as possible. Also Spock, who is in charge of all personnel issues has to be told as well. I'm fairly certain that McCoy knows these things, so when he requests Kirk not tell anyone he doesn't mean to include Spock and Starfleet in that request.
Yeah, I love this episode, but I do have to laugh at it because I really have polycythemia (yes, it can be fatal, if not managed properly). I can just imagine some staff writer, looking through the medical dictionary, and then attaching the prefix Xeno, meaning alien or foreign (wow, must be an order of magnitude worse now, riiight? LOL). But an episode featuring McCoy, with a love interest that he doesn't have to shoot the image of in the end (RIP Nancy! and the implication that all women are salt-sucking vampires, LOL)? I'm so here for it.
There is a sequel to this made by the Star Trek Phase 2 group. Though last I knew it was still pending it’s post production. The trailer for it does look good. It has the late Richard Hatch as a guest star villain
The first generation sets out into space on a mission... the second generation remembers what the first generation did... the third generation rebels, doesn't want to be on the mission... eventually, the people would get out of hand on a generational ship... The Oracle is a understandable device to keep people "on mission," or working in a form of "harmony," to keep the mission alive. It serves as the "rule keeper" for a society that cannot grow/change for thousands of years. Anyway, I see a logic to the world design.
Lore: Xeno- is a prefix meaning "alien or outside" which the writers added to a very real cancer: Polycythemia vera (PV), which is a blood cancer that begins in the bone marrow where new blood cells grow.
Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but there's a follow-up novel to this that takes place shortly after _STAR TREK The Motion Picture_ called, _Ex Machina._ It is the only _STAR TREK_ novel I've ever read. IMO it is rather good. It is also still available in ebook and paperback format.
The story idea behind this episode was an old one and one also discussed in real concepts of interstellar travel aboard what is known as a world ship or generation ship.
So @TargetAudience, this epi was supposed to have MCcoys daughter in it Joanna. She and him would catch up and he finds out she is at starfleet studying nursing. And in the cartoon series Joanna comes back.
I dont agree. I had read this was the epi where Joanna was supposed to be in. And then it got changed, i remember reading this several times over the years.
@@tarascholfield5887 D.C. Fontana wrote the script that was initially entitled "Joanna," but it was extensively rewritten before airing and ended up with a different title, but it wasn't this episode. Disagree all you like, but you're incorrect.
Wouldn’t it have been interesting if McCoy’s diagnosis came in another episode and it took a couple to pass for them to learn the Fabrini had a cure. Of course everything back then was all contained into one episode.
Not on TV, no. But there is a novel called _Ex Machina_ which takes place after _STAR TREK The Motion Picture_ which is a follow-up to this episode. Still available as a paperback or an ebook.
@@CaesiusX - Yes, I have that novel. It's still on my to-read list. I've still got a number of books ahead of it. But I'll get to it eventually. I always do.
The lead actress who plays Natira, Katherine Woodville, Was in the first episode of the British series "The Avengers" in 1961, wife of a Doctor who is killed by criminals,...who is Avenged, by special agents. She was married to Patrick Macnee, the lead to The Avengers. She was "Avenged" (ep. "Hot Snow" -Jan. 1961) Wiki' tells that her last acting work was in 1979, in Wonder Woman. The modern effects for this, improve the missiles, and the asteroid. The trace-outline on the obelisk is the same. If only they got Jimi Hendrix to be in this episode -he also, sought to "touch the sky"
0:50 There is at least one Episode of TNG like that. ☺️ No "Captains Log. We are..." etc etc etc. It just starts with Picard ordering " Fire!" And them destroying an asteroid before leading into the main plot of the story.
I like the fact that the Oracle was a computer that could be fixed instead of destroyed, and that the People were not all hostile. I also thought that not making the Oracle a godlike living entity (that couldn't be reasoned with) was a better at p. Don't eorry... The unreasonable godlike entity will eventually show up in one of the movies... I will not completely spoil it. :) Natira was a great character. if not for it being so late in TOS, I would have liked to see her again. The old man was played by Jon Lormer, who was Dr. Haskins in The Cage. I think he may also have been Tamar in Return of the Archons, but I'm not sure.
Great observations guys. Also, I just noticed - if Yonada has been traveling through space for 10,000 years, not orbiting a star, how do the people have a concept of a year?
Yeah, that's a good question. The kind we learn to not get hung up over so that we can enjoy the rest of the content! Should I say millicentons or would 12 parsecs be appropriate here?
This episode has good replay value. The line, "I believe with you, husband". Whether Bones was right or not doesn't matter to her. That is her husband and that is where her belief lies. That is some serious marriage material there.
Alex may have thought it would have been a great episode of there was a reveal behind a curtain of the computer if it was Clint Howard... gentleeeeemen 😂😂😂😂
Another good reaction, Alex and Josh. Not one of my favourites, but I really like this episode, particularly the romance for McCoy and his terminal illness. A clever concept of an asteroid being a kind of ark taking its people to the promised land, it being off course, and the object of obedience as part of their 'religion' (sic) to stop them from questioning or finding out the truth about them living on a ship under computer control, something which might frighten or upset some of its people and cause civil unrest and lawlessness. Over all a great concept idea and the added worry of McCoy's terminal medical condition.
I would seem unlikely for Yonada to appear in Picard Season 3, it would have reached it's destination world 100 years prior to that, but the Fabrini people certainly could be mentioned. Nonetheless, a sequel WAS filmed set about 390 days after the events episode when Yonada is about to arrive, but it was never, and probably will never be, released, with Richard Hatch as the big baddy: Star Trek Phase II (New Voyages): Torment of Destiny: ua-cam.com/video/2op9JsNwuo0/v-deo.html And YES, that's George Takei (Sulu) narrating!
Pretty sure there are a few different spin-off sources (books, comics, etc.) that have said Bones did return in 390 days. And there's no reason to think he didn't return.
Yep, there is a novel called _Ex Machina_ which takes place after _STAR TREK The Motion Picture_ which is a follow-up to this episode. Still available as a paperback or an ebook.
It's been decades since I read the James Blish adaptation of this episode, but if I remember correctly what caused Yonada to go off course was a wasp nest in the controls, and Spock got stung when he cleared it out. He had a bandaged finger at the end but no major injury. I mentioned before you started Season 3 there were two weddings. Kirk and Miramonee was the first, McCoy and Natira was the second. I guess you misinterpreted the part where McCoy and Natira exchanged their vows in front of The Oracle. There is an episode in Season 5 of TNG that has quite possibly the greatest WTF!!! opening in franchise history. It'll be a while before you get there. According to McCoy's backstory he is divorced and has a daughter named Joanna. There was originally supposed to be an episode featuring her as a love interest for (surprise!) Captain Kirk, but the script was changed and Joanna became a different character with a different love interest. It became another upcoming Season 3 episode which quite frankly is one of my Bottom 5. There's quite a few episodes to go before then.
It's a little more like Auto on the movie Wall-E. They were kept from the knowledge for their protection. The only real problem with this episode is that there isn't enough time to really give to the backstory. A good episode. The next one, "The Tholian Web", is one o my favorites. I think you'll really enjoy it.
In season 4, McCoy returns and meets his son. . . ? As far as beaming in, they followed the location of McCoy's communicator signal. Religious skepticism permeates all of Stargate: SG-1.
The other thing that's a bit odd about this is that no one on this asteroid understands what's going on, and there's this oracle which is keeping them in line. But the religion demands they read from some special book, and when McCoy starts studying that book that *everyone* is *required* to read and immediately comes across information about what is going on with the asteroid.
Those cylinders were recycled from a nearby warehouse dumpster. Mr. Jeffries was a great set designer for the show. I wish the title to this episode was shorter. ' my hollow wish' or 'our stifled dream' or ' what lies beyond' or 'our hollow world' or 'the unknown sky'. 3 words would suffice.
I saw an interview with D.C. Fontana where she said the goal was to use more characters for love interest in plots. But it was cancelled. You get the Kirk as sex machine trope
Some upcoming episodes are interesting some of my favs. "The Tholian Web" Next are "The Mark Of Gideon Ep 16 , The Savage Curtian EP 22 , All of Our Yesterdays is a bit interesting EP 23
At 50 characters (counting spaces), this episode’s title is the longest in the Star Trek franchise. The second-longest, the title of a 2017 episode, has only 48 characters. Moreover, when spoken aloud, that title has only ten syllables to this episode’s twelve. However, the title of a 1988 TNG episode with only eight characters may also have as many as twelve syllables depending on how it is pronounced. The Big Three beam down to a world in danger of destruction from an asteroid-planet collision. Thousands of years ago, mysterious benefactors settled a group of people on this world and provided them with sophisticated equipment to prevent such a collision, but the equipment is now malfunctioning. While on this world, one of the Big Three will fall in love with and marry the high priestess of the people, but their time together will be brief. But we’re here to discuss “For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky,” not “The Paradise Syndrome.” As you will see starting later this year, the Star Trek series from TNG on usually paid more attention to all the members of their ensemble casts than TOS did. When one watches a TNG episode for the first time, one often realizes in the first few minutes, “This is a Picard episode” or “This is a Worf episode.” TOS, on the other hand, rarely placed a character other than Kirk or Spock in the center of the story. Up to this point in the series, “For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky” is only the second or third “McCoy episode,” after “The Man Trap” (really an ensemble piece) and, arguably, “Friday’s Child,” while there has been only one “Scotty episode” so far, “Wolf in the Fold.” The effects shots in this episode, while perfectly adequate to tell the story, demonstrate why TOS needed the replacement of its model shots with CGI versions for presentation in high definition. The image quality of the model stock footage is degraded due to two-and-a-half seasons of reuse and due to compositing with other elements, and the asteroid is painfully obviously the same one as in “The Paradise Syndrome.” McCoy’s heart-to-heart talks with Natira represent something of a missed opportunity in that they do not reveal anything new about McCoy’s backstory. This subject will come up again in our discussion of a later Season 3 episode, the first draft of which revealed a great deal about McCoy’s past, none of which remained in the final version. An early story outline for this episode had Scotty rather than McCoy as the terminally ill crewmember who falls in love. If the "Book of the People" looks familiar, there is a good reason: all too appropriately, it is the same prop as "Chicago Mobs of the Twenties" from “A Piece of the Action.” We will never find out (in official canon, at least) what happens when and if McCoy and Natira reunite because the 390-day period before Yonada arrives at its destination takes us beyond TOS’ cancellation (only 16 episodes from now, alas!). Score for the series so far: Kirk 2 (“Bread and Circuses,” “The Paradise Syndrome”), Spock 2 (“This Side of Paradise,” “The Enterprise Incident”), McCoy 1 (“For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky”).
Some might add _"Shore Leave"_ to McCoy's score. 🤷🏼♂️ I'm not sure how others view the novels, as far as their "official" classifications, but the book _Ex Machina_ is a direct follow-up to this episode. It takes place after _STAR TREK The Motion Picture._ Still available as a paperback or an ebook.
I keep wondering where the hell they got enough material to construct a viable sphere big enough across to encompass a star. I mean, jeez, you'd have to cannibalize several giant planets at least.
@@MatthewCaunsfield When Kirk first brings up the idea of the Dyson Sphere, it's in response to their discovery that it's millions of miles across. Like, MANY millions of miles.
It seems strange to me that Josh and Alex are so surprised that Dr. McCoy's romantic relationship is featured in this episode since the very first aired episode, "The Man Trap," featured Dr. McCoy's old flame Nancy and Dr. McCoy's residual feelings for her. Also, recall Dr. McCoy playing out a medieval chivalry damsel in distress fantasy with Yeoman Tonia Barrows in the season 1 episode "Shore Leave." Near the end of that episode, Dr. McCoy also shows off the two Rigelian cabaret girls he thought of after being revived.
I wouldn’t consider The Man Trap as a romantic interest storyline considering… it was a monster. I will grant you shore leave although it was never the main focus of the episode
@@targetaudience I don't think it is unheard of for a romantic interest to turn out to be a monster of one sort or another, and no relationship is perfect. 😉
@@targetaudience In all seriousness, your assertion that Nancy was not a legitimate romantic interest because she turned out to be a monster shows that you have not learned the lessons of the episodes "Metamorphosis," "Is There in Truth No Beauty?" and "The Devil In The Dark." Yes, Nancy turned out to be a non-human alien, but an intelligent one. She was a predatory creature, but so are humans. She had been content to live on salt tablets until Kirk and crew invaded her world after having been told not to come there. She was driven to attack the humans by her hunger and survival instincts. Although Nancy's natural appearance was monstrous looking to humans, it is likely that humans appeared monstrous to her. Your attitude is similar to Zefram Cochrane's reaction of disgust upon learning that the non-human alien called the Companion is in love with him in the episode "Metamorphosis." In that episode, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy are confused by Cochrane's disgust just because the Companion is not human. Cochrane is appalled at their lack of morality and decency. Cochrane comes around to loving the Companion only after she occupies a human body instead of consisting of disembodied electrical energy. Also, there have been no assertions of illegitimacy for romantic interests between humans and humanoid aliens in the series such as between Spock's parents, Nurse Chapel's unrequited love of Spock, Kirk's relationship with Miramanee, any of Kirk's other dalliances with humanoid alien women, or McCoy's marriage to Natira. Thus, your assertion that Nancy was not a legitimate love interest for McCoy is just based on the appearance of her natural form. Such a bias is resoundingly criticized in "Is There in Truth No Beauty?" when Miranda says to Kirk “What is ugly? Who is to say whether Kollos is too ugly to bear or too beautiful to bear?” Miranda also rejects Marvick's assertion "I understand that you’re a woman and that I’m a man, one of your own kind, and that Kollos will never be able to give you anything like this.” So, the assertion that Nancy was not a legitimate romantic interest because she turned out to be a non-humanoid "ugly" alien creature, aka a monster, is incorrect within the context of the world view espoused in Star Trek TOS.
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For me the highlight here is Spock holding into Bones shoulder. Showing his surpressed human emotional side - a small gesture but huge for Spock. He shows his friendship to Kirk quite often but less obviously towards Bones. The friendship of the three is the heart the whole show for me.
NGL, I've watched this show since the 70's and that scene still makes me a bit misty, so much was said in that one gesture between the two of them despite the seemingly adversarial relationship. Spock's most human moment I think.
" - I am dead, Jim . "
Also like that gesture of kindness of Spock towards Bones. He truly is the real McCoy in that moment .
After the five-year mission bones left Starfleet and went to work with the fabrini. If my memory is correct this is what was told in the novelization of the motion picture.
There is a novel called _Ex Machina_ which takes place after _STAR TREK The Motion Picture_ which is a follow-up to this episode. Still available as a paperback or an ebook.
@@CaesiusX Cool. Thanks
This is awesome. I’m glad SOMEONE followed up that!
Jon Lormer, the actor playing the old man who drops dead, had previously appeared in the episodes The Cage/Menagerie and Return of the Archons.
He also went on to direct Eraserhead
He was killed by Landru's flunkies for not going along with the program. That is his way.
With so many episodes seen already, you have a good sense of the relationship between Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. I'm not sure if you plan to react to the Star Trek Movies, but having the understanding of that relationship gives you much more meaning to many of the interactions, especially in Star Trek: The Motion Picture. Many reactors haven't been through the three seasons of the original series so they don't necessarily understand the interplay between the three, and how their relationship grows through the movies. By Star Trek VI, the characters feel like slipping into your favorite worn pair of shoes.. they fit together so well and you enjoy that level of familiarity when you watch them.
That’s one of the reasons I enjoy 5 more than most. It concentrates on the dynamic between the three.
Spock is weird in 1
Spock is barely in 3
Spock isn’t himself in 4
@@SchlockstarJoe I agree. 5 is definitely uneven, but it has some of the best screen time moments with Kirk, Spock, and McCoy.
Spock is certainly not himself in 1, but I think you can say that about all of them. At the beginning of 1, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy have all been trying to "find themselves" since the end of the 5 year mission. Early in 1, McCoy even asks "How do we know about any of us?". By the end of the movie, they have all found themselves in each other and rekindled their bond and friendship.
No offense to anyone who likes the first movie, but I find it mind-numbingly dull, as well as derivative. Between viewings, I forget what happened. 🙃 I understand tastes vary, so if you like it, more power to you.
@@LadyhawksLairDotCom , when I was younger, it was my least favorite of the six. Now, in my forties, I’ve learned to appreciate it more. The pacing is part of its charm. Like the V-Ger orifice, it draws you in.
The Voyage Home, and The Wrath of Khan, are my two favorite. Worth mentioning is the first movie with Chris Pine. They did a great job introducing the characters. The story line was good as well. As long as you don't pick apart time travel.
I was nine years old when this episode first aired. It introduced me to a couple of science fiction tropes I had never considered before. It was the first time I encountered the idea of hollowing out an asteroid and turning it into a generation ship, and also the idea that a civilization could be ahead of ours in one area (in this case, medicine), but behind in another (no FTL propulsion). It didn't invent those tropes - they were already present in literature - but it popularized them for the masses.
The terms from childhood sci-fi reading that come to mind are Torchships and Bussard Ramjets.
This is Anton "Tony" Leader's only directing gig on THIS series…but he did direct one of the GREAT Twilight Zone episodes, "The Midnight Sun". So this episode went up a point just for that.
The voice of the Oracle was played by James Doohan.
So once again Scotty puts his vocal talents to good use.
I'm enjoying some of your positive reviews of episodes that weren't considered the strongest in the past. One of the problems with Star Trek from the beginning, especially the original pilot "The Cage", was that it could be too intellectual (talky) for 60's era audiences. While great sci-fi, and usually very good storytelling, the creation of Kirk as the headliner was to combine WWII skipper, Western gunfighter, Cold War spy/ladykiller, bullheaded pugilistic law enforcement, and pragmatic idealist, and have him, and the show, appeal to enough people to keep it on the air. Season 3 was a lifeline from fanmail campaigns, but everyone knew it was the swan song. Modern audiences, like yourselves, have an entirely different expectation of storytelling and production, so you tend to focus on parts that older fans like myself might miss, or take for granted. We definitely have a different set of favorites, but that's great because it shows how a series like this has that potential to make everyone happy now and again. Most of my all-time favorite Star Trek episodes, and stories in general, come from TOS, so I'm really interested in how your reviews continue with the later series.
I think we long-term fans (me since 3-1/2 to 4 when live-viewing+current season reruns of season 1) who have seen each episode eleventy-dozen times are more loving of the "good" episodes and more critical of the "bad" episodes to the point that we need a first-time viewer's opinions as a reset so that we can evaluate them anew.
When you can speak the dialog of the episode in sync with the actors you probably no longer have an unbiased view. For example, Spock's Brain was really only 72.37% as bad as I remembered it to be.
And yes, I really can remember very brief snatches of season one from so young because there are some real-world interruptions mixed in to do a hard timestamp on the memory. MOST memories are not that solid and could be newer replacements. With stuff that old how can you be sure? I mean, which 53-year old Apollo 11 memories are real and which ones are from documentaries?
Your comment is appreciated. I definitely have some "guilty pleasure" episodes. I don't take about it because nowadays people take entertainment far too seriously. :)
The cast and crew really liked working with the actress who plays Natira. They even told her that they had no doubt that she would be back in season 4.
I'm glad you guys found elements of this episode enjoyable.
I like Natira's line about how she would be glad to have that feeling for a day...a month...a year.
It had a good sci-fi concept of a race traveling for 10,000 years aboard a generation ship. The character driven story with Bones was good. It’s a solid episode.
"We came because you fired a missile at us!"
"That was a communications probe!"
The Aliens maxed out their medicine stats on their Civ 5 tech tree, at the expense of not inventing the Warp Drive in time.
This is the 3rd and final time the old man, Jon Lormer, appears in Star Trek. First he was one of the "survivors" of the crash on the Talosian planet in The Cage/The Menagerie. Then he was killed by the lawgivers in Return of the Archons for dissing Landru. He always meets his end in this show.
OMG! Right!
Yayyy!!! So happy you liked this one! One of my faves for sure...I've watched this ep so many times and couldn't wait for the review...btw...McCoy's relationship with Natira is visited in some books where they are still married
Bones had romantic interest in Yeoman Tonya Barrows in the episode "Shore Leave".
BTW, Harlan Ellison developed a Sci Fi series called "The Starlost" about a colony ship divided into different habitats and the inhabitants don't know they're on a ship and think their respective habitat is all there is of their world. Apparently Ellison wasn't happy with the finished product and disowned the series and had his credit changed to a pseudonym.
If you ever saw an episode of The Starlost, you know why Ellison wasn't happy with it. Its production values made early Doctor Who look like 2001: A Space Odyssey.
Yeah, Cordwainer Bird ended up being credited for that.
Even as a kid I recognized the low budget, but I liked The Starlost. Garth, Rachel and Devon leaving Cyprus Corners to explore the vast ship. With a set up like that, it should have been a more popular series. Especially one Walter Koenig showed up.
That's one show that needs a reboot. The series sucked but the core of the story would make a good series with a proper production.
Haha I always liked The Starlost as a kid. There were interesting concepts hidden behind that low budget exterior.
As a man who believes that our future in space will involve living in large standalone habitats, I have a small but stubborn respect for this episode. Coming up next: we finally get to see what we've always wanted to see -- Uhura's bedroom. Some particularly cool aliens, too. Thanks, TA. Steady as she goes, warp factor two.
I always liked this episode because we finally get more focus on Dr. McCoy!
I’ve been waiting for you to get to this one, as it is my favorite TOS episode (I’m a huge fan of McCoy). In my head canon Bones and Natira stay married and that he lives with her in between TOS and the films, and in between each film. :)
It needn't be only your headcanon because there is a follow up story to this called _Ex-Machina._ I believe it takes place shortly after the motion picture.
Is Ex-Machina part of this same story telling in the original episode;For the world 🌎 is hollow,and I have touched the Sky?It would be interesting 🤨 to read about Doctor 👩⚕️ McCoy getting married!
Interstellar transit in 10,000 years is actually quite fast. It would take the fastest spacecraft we now have about 40,000 years to reach Proxima Centauri, the nearest star. If you've got Warp Drive, sure, travel is quick. But if your planet was going to be destroyed before you had a chance to develop that technology, and you had to build a spacecraft to reach another star in an emergency, it could easily take that long.
Of course, this episode is based on the trope of the "generation ship," which we also saw in "By Any Other Name" (Season 2). There have been basically four solutions suggested to the enormous distances of interstellar travel: faster-than-light travel like Warp Drive (probably impossible), near-light travel with time dilation (possible but enormously difficult), hibernation/suspended animation, and the generation ship. Generation-ship stories frequently involve the problem of what happen when later generations (who, after all, never actually chose to be on this mission) impose their own agendas and desires on this ship that was supposed to spend years and years heading to their destination.
Let's not forget that McCoy had a love story (well, an old love story) in "The Man Trap," the very first episode in Season 1.
I assumed that "Keep this to yourself" referred to the crew. It would probably have been illegal for Kirk not to report to Starfleet a terminal illness in a member of his crew. Indeed, it was probably *McCoy's* responsibility to do that.
I'm not sure that there are rules as to what Star Trek can, and cannot include. Certainly the principles of television/film allegory in 1968 were not the same as those in 2023. ST:Picard need not do the same thing as ST:TOS.
12:01 - "This asteroid must be moving pretty slow if it hasn't reached it's destination in 10,000 years."
I suggest you review how big space is...
But Star Trek exists in WARP space
@@peterwinters8587 No. Warp “Drive” moves the ship through space. I think you’re confusing the term “subspace” heard in Star Trek next generation. The ship still moves through space using hand, waving magic sub space physics.
And regardless, the asteroid isn’t using warp drive so it’s moving through Space. The big kind.
@@mapolinski warp space - travelling faster than speed of light - which what warp 1 is
@@peterwinters8587 that’s warp “speed”. There is no warp “space”
And again, the ASTEROID is not traveling at warp speed. That’s what we’re talking about
Good episode. it has a lot going for it. Enjoyed it even more with your reactions, comments and jokes. The after episode discussion was great, always appreciate your breakdown/analysis of the episodes. Thanks guys and Happy Birthday Alex!
This one is my overall favorite of any God-Computer episodes. At the end of the day, the computer never went haywire, it performed perfectly for its function, and in the end it gets them there, so amen to it.
And Kirk didn't nag it into self-destruct mode either. It really does subvert expectations!
This is a nice episode!It has it’s cruelty to it,and then,it get’s better in the end!And,I didn’t know that there was another story to this episode?That’s interesting!😮😮😮😮😮
Something I really, really appreciate about you guys is that you guys have been able to take the special effects or some of the, maybe, camp of the series in stride despite it being a 60 year old series. Maybe that's a testament to the series, maybe it's a testament to you guys as viewers or maybe both. It would be so easy to get caught up in the fluff and lose focus of the characters, stories or ethical dilemmas they come across.
It's going to be interesting to see you guys tackle TNG's first few seasons b/c, ironically, despite it being more recent, I wonder if it'll look more campy/cheesy to you guys. With TOS, it's so many decades ago, maybe it's easier to suspend your disbelief? Whereas TNG will look modern enough, but will have some... very heavy late 80s, early 90s fashion choices and the like. Either way, can't wait!
"Is that David Lynch?" XD XD XD Thanks for this morning's belly laugh! (From a Lynch fan.)
Gonna crack my knuckles and jump for joy - I got a clean bill of health from Dr. McCoy.
In a way I am envious of you two seeing this series for the first time. Got some solid stories coming up, and even a particularly groovy one.
Yeah, brother.
I reach.
Best mention of the title of the episode ever lol. Pseudo-lynch dude did a great job.
I believe you are correct. The transporter is like a video game where once you are in a location, you can beam back there. Even if you couldn't before. That is a great analogy.
Great video again. I am still appreciating you pointing out good things from season 3. It is something I apparently needed. Thanks.
Thanks!
In many episodes the transporter and the ship's computer are shown to be able to lock onto their locations via their communicators. Thus, they could have locked onto McCoy's communicator and set the transporter coordinates to be close to McCoy's location. The communicator may also store its location history, so that they could retrieve any location they have been to with their communicators and feed the coordinates to the transporter.
@@luminiferous1960 Just like modern cellphones!!
@@mikejankowski6321 That's what I had in mind, so thanks for stating it explicitly.
Fun fact: While working for Motorola, Martin Cooper created the first personal cell phone, citing Captain Kirk's communicator on Star Trek as an inspiration. His first call on the 28-oz. (800 g) cordless cell phone - dubbed "the brick" - was to his rival at Bell Labs Research. (I wonder if he was related to Sheldon Cooper.😉 )
They have the ability to lock onto signals. The located McCoy's communicator and beamed to where it was.
That’s a decent explanation
16:50 "Temperature 111 degrees and rising." So it's about what we have on an early July day at about 11:30 AM here in Phoenix...
And it is nothing for a Vulcan.
@@mikejankowski6321 Doesn't he set the environmental controls to 110 or 120 in the Old Age episode so that it's at least tolerable?
@@GeraldWalls Yeah, something like that. Remember the quip about "Hot as Vulcan?" For Spock, it would be comfy.
I'm surprised that you said McCoy finally had a love interest after so many episodes. He's had several, from Nancy in The Man Trap, to Yeoman Barrows in Shore Leave and now Natira.
Parts of it could've been better but it's still a good ep. Natira's a strong character and I liked her with McCoy. Spock finding out about McCoy's illness and his response to that was very moving.
Natira, The Romulan Commander, and Miranda are all really strong women characters this season 😎
But then we get Dr. Janice Lester. I'll shut up now.
"Dammit Jim, you just had to tell him!"
Kirk and Spock are so concerned about McCoy not waking up, but it was only a minute later. Not everybody will recover at the same rate, and McCoy is older than the other two.
This one is one of my favorites. It makes me think about Plato's Allegory of the Cave and my understanding of reality.
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james doohan (scotty) doing one of his 40 voice parts in the series. he voiced the oracle.
Kate Woodville is very regal in her mannerisms, speech, and graciousness. I really loved that about her performance. That really wins me over on this episode. Of course McCoy is played wonderfully by Deforest Kelly in this episode especially. And Spock's helping hand is also wonderfully done.
I think your being too hard on Kirk. Kirk has to request a replacement Chief Medical Officer from Starfleet and as early as possible. Also Spock, who is in charge of all personnel issues has to be told as well. I'm fairly certain that McCoy knows these things, so when he requests Kirk not tell anyone he doesn't mean to include Spock and Starfleet in that request.
Yeah, I love this episode, but I do have to laugh at it because I really have polycythemia (yes, it can be fatal, if not managed properly). I can just imagine some staff writer, looking through the medical dictionary, and then attaching the prefix Xeno, meaning alien or foreign (wow, must be an order of magnitude worse now, riiight? LOL). But an episode featuring McCoy, with a love interest that he doesn't have to shoot the image of in the end (RIP Nancy! and the implication that all women are salt-sucking vampires, LOL)? I'm so here for it.
Wow. For all these years, I figured McCoy's disease was just some made-up long name. Kudos to the writers, for loosely basing it on something real.
Really liking those reactions, hope you guys go through the movies, TNG and DS9 at least. 🖖
I miss your opening comments about the previous episode and generally what's on your minds
There is a sequel to this made by the Star Trek Phase 2 group. Though last I knew it was still pending it’s post production. The trailer for it does look good. It has the late Richard Hatch as a guest star villain
The first generation sets out into space on a mission... the second generation remembers what the first generation did... the third generation rebels, doesn't want to be on the mission... eventually, the people would get out of hand on a generational ship...
The Oracle is a understandable device to keep people "on mission," or working in a form of "harmony," to keep the mission alive. It serves as the "rule keeper" for a society that cannot grow/change for thousands of years.
Anyway, I see a logic to the world design.
Happy birthday 🎂, Alex! Cheers!
Nice touch on the intro now.. I thought the rewind feature was cool 👍
PS happy birthday Alex!
Lore: Xeno- is a prefix meaning "alien or outside" which the writers added to a very real cancer: Polycythemia vera (PV), which is a blood cancer that begins in the bone marrow where new blood cells grow.
Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but there's a follow-up novel to this that takes place shortly after _STAR TREK The Motion Picture_ called, _Ex Machina._
It is the only _STAR TREK_ novel I've ever read. IMO it is rather good. It is also still available in ebook and paperback format.
This would be interesting to read about Doctor McCoy’s relationship with Nutira in book 📕 form!
Josh, this is probably going to be a top 10 episode for you.
"Kirk got her pregnant...."...I laughed hard for five minutes with that one...
The story idea behind this episode was an old one and one also discussed in real concepts of interstellar travel aboard what is known as a world ship or generation ship.
So @TargetAudience, this epi was supposed to have MCcoys daughter in it Joanna. She and him would catch up and he finds out she is at starfleet studying nursing. And in the cartoon series Joanna comes back.
That wasn't actually this episode, it was another episode later in the season. Also, Joanna doesn't actually appear in TAS, although she is mentioned.
I dont agree. I had read this was the epi where Joanna was supposed to be in. And then it got changed, i remember reading this several times over the years.
@@tarascholfield5887 D.C. Fontana wrote the script that was initially entitled "Joanna," but it was extensively rewritten before airing and ended up with a different title, but it wasn't this episode. Disagree all you like, but you're incorrect.
Ooh! I like this newly formated start!
Yay, thank you!
Seconded!
In the novelization of TMP, Starfleet Medical incorporated the Fabrini files into their knowledge base.
This is one of my favorite epis of TOS.
Citizen of the Galaxy is a great read by Robert Heinlein with this concept
For The Title Is Long Because I Am Paid By The Word
Looking forward to your reaction of the next classic episode. Great Sci Fi.
Star Fleet reports that the USS Defiant is missing ...
Wouldn’t it have been interesting if McCoy’s diagnosis came in another episode and it took a couple to pass for them to learn the Fabrini had a cure.
Of course everything back then was all contained into one episode.
There's a novel or two that tells of McCoy spending some time on Yonada between the end of the five year mission and the Motion Picture.
I like this episode a lot. It’s a shame we never got to see this world revisited.
Not on TV, no. But there is a novel called _Ex Machina_ which takes place after _STAR TREK The Motion Picture_ which is a follow-up to this episode. Still available as a paperback or an ebook.
@@CaesiusX I second the recommendation. It's extremely well-written.😊
@@CaesiusX - Yes, I have that novel. It's still on my to-read list. I've still got a number of books ahead of it. But I'll get to it eventually. I always do.
The lead actress who plays Natira, Katherine Woodville, Was in the first episode of the British series "The Avengers" in 1961, wife of a Doctor who is killed by criminals,...who is Avenged, by special agents. She was married to Patrick Macnee, the lead to The Avengers. She was "Avenged" (ep. "Hot Snow" -Jan. 1961) Wiki' tells that her last acting work was in 1979, in Wonder Woman.
The modern effects for this, improve the missiles, and the asteroid. The trace-outline on the obelisk is the same.
If only they got Jimi Hendrix to be in this episode -he also, sought to "touch the sky"
Married to Patrick Macnee? Was on the Avengers?! Whaaa? That’s amazing!
I'm dead Jim.
0:50 There is at least one Episode of TNG like that. ☺️
No "Captains Log. We are..." etc etc etc. It just starts with Picard ordering " Fire!" And them destroying an asteroid before leading into the main plot of the story.
Get used to episodes involving only the big three. The budget forced them to frequently leave out other characters. Glad you liked this one.
I really love the next episode one of my favourites of the season
I like the fact that the Oracle was a computer that could be fixed instead of destroyed, and that the People were not all hostile. I also thought that not making the Oracle a godlike living entity (that couldn't be reasoned with) was a better at p. Don't eorry... The unreasonable godlike entity will eventually show up in one of the movies... I will not completely spoil it. :)
Natira was a great character. if not for it being so late in TOS, I would have liked to see her again.
The old man was played by Jon Lormer, who was Dr. Haskins in The Cage. I think he may also have been Tamar in Return of the Archons, but I'm not sure.
Great observations guys. Also, I just noticed - if Yonada has been traveling through space for 10,000 years, not orbiting a star, how do the people have a concept of a year?
Yeah, that's a good question. The kind we learn to not get hung up over so that we can enjoy the rest of the content! Should I say millicentons or would 12 parsecs be appropriate here?
I don't know if you guys addressed this, but will you be watching the original cast movies?
This episode has good replay value.
The line, "I believe with you, husband". Whether Bones was right or not doesn't matter to her. That is her husband and that is where her belief lies. That is some serious marriage material there.
Alex may have thought it would have been a great episode of there was a reveal behind a curtain of the computer if it was Clint Howard... gentleeeeemen 😂😂😂😂
That would’ve been a welcome surprise
Another good reaction, Alex and Josh. Not one of my favourites, but I really like this episode, particularly the romance for McCoy and his terminal illness. A clever concept of an asteroid being a kind of ark taking its people to the promised land, it being off course, and the object of obedience as part of their 'religion' (sic) to stop them from questioning or finding out the truth about them living on a ship under computer control, something which might frighten or upset some of its people and cause civil unrest and lawlessness. Over all a great concept idea and the added worry of McCoy's terminal medical condition.
I would seem unlikely for Yonada to appear in Picard Season 3, it would have reached it's destination world 100 years prior to that, but the Fabrini people certainly could be mentioned. Nonetheless, a sequel WAS filmed set about 390 days after the events episode when Yonada is about to arrive, but it was never, and probably will never be, released, with Richard Hatch as the big baddy: Star Trek Phase II (New Voyages): Torment of Destiny: ua-cam.com/video/2op9JsNwuo0/v-deo.html And YES, that's George Takei (Sulu) narrating!
1:11 "Oh, no.., Kirk got her pregnant..." -- I had a genuine LoL at that one... ;)
6:35 "It's Xenopoly ..." I wonder how many times they had to practice those lines and how many takes they had.
Don't forget, we had a love story with Bones in the Man trap. This is another where was a little too much convenient quick fixes.
Pretty sure there are a few different spin-off sources (books, comics, etc.) that have said Bones did return in 390 days. And there's no reason to think he didn't return.
Yep, there is a novel called _Ex Machina_ which takes place after _STAR TREK The Motion Picture_ which is a follow-up to this episode. Still available as a paperback or an ebook.
9:10 To rephrase this in Anime Speak: "I like you! Please go out with me!"
A great sci-fi episode!
I really like this episode. My family hates it but it's a cool concept with great character moments.
Why does your family HATE it hahaha
@@targetaudience Just the somewhat goofy premise and the exhausted computer overlord trope.
@@EvanG529 Just tell them that the computer overlord trope is practice.
It's been decades since I read the James Blish adaptation of this episode, but if I remember correctly what caused Yonada to go off course was a wasp nest in the controls, and Spock got stung when he cleared it out. He had a bandaged finger at the end but no major injury.
I mentioned before you started Season 3 there were two weddings. Kirk and Miramonee was the first, McCoy and Natira was the second. I guess you misinterpreted the part where McCoy and Natira exchanged their vows in front of The Oracle. There is an episode in Season 5 of TNG that has quite possibly the greatest WTF!!! opening in franchise history. It'll be a while before you get there. According to McCoy's backstory he is divorced and has a daughter named Joanna. There was originally supposed to be an episode featuring her as a love interest for (surprise!) Captain Kirk, but the script was changed and Joanna became a different character with a different love interest. It became another upcoming Season 3 episode which quite frankly is one of my Bottom 5. There's quite a few episodes to go before then.
It's a little more like Auto on the movie Wall-E. They were kept from the knowledge for their protection. The only real problem with this episode is that there isn't enough time to really give to the backstory. A good episode. The next one, "The Tholian Web", is one o my favorites. I think you'll really enjoy it.
In season 4, McCoy returns and meets his son. . . ?
As far as beaming in, they followed the location of McCoy's communicator signal.
Religious skepticism permeates all of Stargate: SG-1.
The design of the Oracle Chamber and the “Book’s” cupboard, for lack of a better word, look so much like MCM church interior design.
The other thing that's a bit odd about this is that no one on this asteroid understands what's going on, and there's this oracle which is keeping them in line. But the religion demands they read from some special book, and when McCoy starts studying that book that *everyone* is *required* to read and immediately comes across information about what is going on with the asteroid.
All I can think is “If you have received treatment for Mesothelioma you may be entitled to compensation”
Those cylinders were recycled from a nearby warehouse dumpster. Mr. Jeffries was a great set designer for the show. I wish the title to this episode was shorter. ' my hollow wish' or 'our stifled dream' or ' what lies beyond' or 'our hollow world' or 'the unknown sky'. 3 words would suffice.
I saw an interview with D.C. Fontana where she said the goal was to use more characters for love interest in plots. But it was cancelled. You get the Kirk as sex machine trope
Which is funny, because Nimoy got a LOT of fan mail from the ladies. He was the sleeper sex symbol of the show.
Perfect name. Yonada planet.
Otherwise known as Pluto.
Some upcoming episodes are interesting some of my favs. "The Tholian Web" Next are "The Mark Of Gideon Ep 16 , The Savage Curtian EP 22 , All of Our Yesterdays is a bit interesting EP 23
I love this one. Has a real Truman Show vibe.
On a Fabrini ship, is air circulation called Febreze?
It's awfully fabreezy today!
they’d need it, all cooped up in there. :D
Another good season 3 episode. Season 3 is underrated
At 50 characters (counting spaces), this episode’s title is the longest in the Star Trek franchise. The second-longest, the title of a 2017 episode, has only 48 characters. Moreover, when spoken aloud, that title has only ten syllables to this episode’s twelve. However, the title of a 1988 TNG episode with only eight characters may also have as many as twelve syllables depending on how it is pronounced.
The Big Three beam down to a world in danger of destruction from an asteroid-planet collision. Thousands of years ago, mysterious benefactors settled a group of people on this world and provided them with sophisticated equipment to prevent such a collision, but the equipment is now malfunctioning. While on this world, one of the Big Three will fall in love with and marry the high priestess of the people, but their time together will be brief.
But we’re here to discuss “For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky,” not “The Paradise Syndrome.”
As you will see starting later this year, the Star Trek series from TNG on usually paid more attention to all the members of their ensemble casts than TOS did. When one watches a TNG episode for the first time, one often realizes in the first few minutes, “This is a Picard episode” or “This is a Worf episode.” TOS, on the other hand, rarely placed a character other than Kirk or Spock in the center of the story. Up to this point in the series, “For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky” is only the second or third “McCoy episode,” after “The Man Trap” (really an ensemble piece) and, arguably, “Friday’s Child,” while there has been only one “Scotty episode” so far, “Wolf in the Fold.”
The effects shots in this episode, while perfectly adequate to tell the story, demonstrate why TOS needed the replacement of its model shots with CGI versions for presentation in high definition. The image quality of the model stock footage is degraded due to two-and-a-half seasons of reuse and due to compositing with other elements, and the asteroid is painfully obviously the same one as in “The Paradise Syndrome.”
McCoy’s heart-to-heart talks with Natira represent something of a missed opportunity in that they do not reveal anything new about McCoy’s backstory. This subject will come up again in our discussion of a later Season 3 episode, the first draft of which revealed a great deal about McCoy’s past, none of which remained in the final version. An early story outline for this episode had Scotty rather than McCoy as the terminally ill crewmember who falls in love.
If the "Book of the People" looks familiar, there is a good reason: all too appropriately, it is the same prop as "Chicago Mobs of the Twenties" from “A Piece of the Action.”
We will never find out (in official canon, at least) what happens when and if McCoy and Natira reunite because the 390-day period before Yonada arrives at its destination takes us beyond TOS’ cancellation (only 16 episodes from now, alas!).
Score for the series so far: Kirk 2 (“Bread and Circuses,” “The Paradise Syndrome”), Spock 2 (“This Side of Paradise,” “The Enterprise Incident”), McCoy 1 (“For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky”).
Some might add _"Shore Leave"_ to McCoy's score. 🤷🏼♂️
I'm not sure how others view the novels, as far as their "official" classifications, but the book _Ex Machina_ is a direct follow-up to this episode. It takes place after _STAR TREK The Motion Picture._ Still available as a paperback or an ebook.
I keep wondering where the hell they got enough material to construct a viable sphere big enough across to encompass a star. I mean, jeez, you'd have to cannibalize several giant planets at least.
I don't think the asteroid was supposed to be that big - the inner surface simple has a fake sky and sun
@@MatthewCaunsfield When Kirk first brings up the idea of the Dyson Sphere, it's in response to their discovery that it's millions of miles across. Like, MANY millions of miles.
@@Serai3 you might be thinking of the TNG episode "Relics" as Kirk doesn't mention a Dyson Sphere in this one
There are a few scifi stories and books that have a similar premise of living in a hollow planet or asteroid.
It seems strange to me that Josh and Alex are so surprised that Dr. McCoy's romantic relationship is featured in this episode since the very first aired episode, "The Man Trap," featured Dr. McCoy's old flame Nancy and Dr. McCoy's residual feelings for her. Also, recall Dr. McCoy playing out a medieval chivalry damsel in distress fantasy with Yeoman Tonia Barrows in the season 1 episode "Shore Leave." Near the end of that episode, Dr. McCoy also shows off the two Rigelian cabaret girls he thought of after being revived.
I wouldn’t consider The Man Trap as a romantic interest storyline considering… it was a monster. I will grant you shore leave although it was never the main focus of the episode
@@targetaudience I don't think it is unheard of for a romantic interest to turn out to be a monster of one sort or another, and no relationship is perfect. 😉
@@luminiferous1960 Don't get me started!
@@mikejankowski6321LOL! 😄
@@targetaudience In all seriousness, your assertion that Nancy was not a legitimate romantic interest because she turned out to be a monster shows that you have not learned the lessons of the episodes "Metamorphosis," "Is There in Truth No Beauty?" and "The Devil In The Dark."
Yes, Nancy turned out to be a non-human alien, but an intelligent one. She was a predatory creature, but so are humans. She had been content to live on salt tablets until Kirk and crew invaded her world after having been told not to come there. She was driven to attack the humans by her hunger and survival instincts. Although Nancy's natural appearance was monstrous looking to humans, it is likely that humans appeared monstrous to her.
Your attitude is similar to Zefram Cochrane's reaction of disgust upon learning that the non-human alien called the Companion is in love with him in the episode "Metamorphosis." In that episode, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy are confused by Cochrane's disgust just because the Companion is not human. Cochrane is appalled at their lack of morality and decency. Cochrane comes around to loving the Companion only after she occupies a human body instead of consisting of disembodied electrical energy.
Also, there have been no assertions of illegitimacy for romantic interests between humans and humanoid aliens in the series such as between Spock's parents, Nurse Chapel's unrequited love of Spock, Kirk's relationship with Miramanee, any of Kirk's other dalliances with humanoid alien women, or McCoy's marriage to Natira.
Thus, your assertion that Nancy was not a legitimate love interest for McCoy is just based on the appearance of her natural form. Such a bias is resoundingly criticized in "Is There in Truth No Beauty?" when Miranda says to Kirk “What is ugly? Who is to say whether Kollos is too ugly to bear or too beautiful to bear?” Miranda also rejects Marvick's assertion "I understand that you’re a woman and that I’m a man, one of your own kind, and that Kollos will never be able to give you anything like this.”
So, the assertion that Nancy was not a legitimate romantic interest because she turned out to be a non-humanoid "ugly" alien creature, aka a monster, is incorrect within the context of the world view espoused in Star Trek TOS.
If I remember correctly, this is the other Harlan Ellison episode.