Russian SU-57 vs. F-35 Fighter Pilot Reacts

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  • Fighter pilot reacts to the Russian SU-57 vs the USA F-35. Which fighter jet is faster?
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  • @ogdocvato
    @ogdocvato 3 місяці тому +16

    The F-35 is so numerous that it will almost always operate in groups. MADL + block 4 gives them a hive-mind where the sum of their lethality is greater than the number of jets.

  • @Mav09
    @Mav09 3 місяці тому +14

    Last July I had the chance of receiving a tour of an Air National Guard F-35A Base. In said tour, a F-35A (previously F-16C) pilot said to imagine a basketball, the F-16 would fly around it where the F-35 could fly inside of it. He also said that the F-35A is great at PSM (not quite F-22 great but still great). So from what I understood is that the F-35 is not a turn fighter but the Post Stall Maneuvering (PSM) fighter. This gave me the love for the F-35 and it remains my favorite plane to this day.
    Great vid as always Neo and thank you for your service! 🇺🇸

    • @MegaJo123456789
      @MegaJo123456789 3 місяці тому

      PSM isn't as good on any American plane compared to the Russians, sukhoi got that down to a T, now throwing shade the F35 is a fabulous machines but let's be impartial on the things each is better.

  • @josephforrest3713
    @josephforrest3713 3 місяці тому +11

    The problem with making any assumptions bout the SU 57 is... It's still in development. Russia simply doesn't have the budget to crank out design ideas the way the west does. So upgradability over time, is baked into their strategy, long term.
    The block 2 SU57, is going to be a completely different animal, to the block 1. They will likely upgrade both the main radar, and the cheek radars in the block 3. The back portion is going through changes, to reduce RCS from the engine. As you say, they are still playing around with the shape of the under carriage. The weapons bay opening mechanism, is still a work in progress. The engine inlets are going through changes to reduce RCS as well.
    So it kinda comes down to a situation where you have to ask.. Which SU57 are you comparing it too... The model in production now... Has a LOT of issues. But they know this, they aren't ignorant of this at all. I believe they are looking at attempting to field an electro optical system. And this will be HUGE! I've herd rumours, that the US air force, have used the electro optical system on the F35, to kill a target 300 miles away. It may even be the key to defeating stealth! New computer systems are being developed, that can pick stealth aircraft from out of all that noise, and all that clutter, based in the movement patterns. AI machine learning, that sot of thing. So a lot of factors are up n the air. People make a lot of assumptions about the SU57, and it's kinda silly, TBH.
    But the SU57 you will see in the next year/year and a half, with all it's upgraded systems... Won't be the SU57 you see now.
    They are aiming at an RCS of 0.008. And that is a mean average. Not an ideal frontal aspect frame. America only takes the best angle, and touts that, as the stealth of the aircraft. Which is just not a fair way to compare the two. And honestly... Kinda dishonest!
    The F35, is absolutely going to win in both ideal freeze frame, best angle tests, AND the mean average, But when you compare both of these factors, the upcoming SU57 will not be anywhere near as bad as what people spew on the internet.
    The SU57 will be as stealthy as you can get, before you sacrifice aerodynamics, for manoeuvrability. That is their design ethos. Agree, or disagree, it's the asymmetry built into the system.
    People wrongly assume, they tried to build an F22, and failed... It was never designed to BE the F22. It was designed to find weaknesses in it's overall makeup, and exploit it. It was essentially designed to beat it. Again, whether it can do this or not... Is besides my point. They were not designed to be analogues of each other. And that isn't a bad thing!
    The F22, for all its strengths, is not perfect!. No aircraft is. ALL have weaknesses.
    Another things people seem to talk a lot about, is exposed bolts and unsmooth surfaces... That is because it has never flown with radar absorbent materials. The F22 has those as well, when you strip the coating off. People keep saying these pictures are fake.. They aren't lol. That REALLY IS the way the F22 looks, without it's stealth coating! Russia simply can't afford to keep these coatings on all the time. And it makes no sense, when the aircraft is still in the development stage.
    The latest coatings the Russians have, have a rating of -45 Db. If you work the way backwards assuming that the scale is linear, that means they are trying to design and develop a fuselage, that has an RCS of about 0.015. Again, mean average, Giving you about a mean average RCS of about 0.00825. Which is not bad at all! It puts you WELL within visual range. So your other targeting systems will have given you a firing solution, WAAAAAY before that. And coatings can be designed to give you a rating of - 90 Db.
    But it's not linear... It's logarithmic. I'm not doing the maths now, it's waaay too late.
    But that means you can take an aircraft, with an RCS of about 0.01, and reduce it down to 0.008. And faaar lower!
    We need to talk about payload...
    The bays of the SU57 are HUGE!! I've seen configurations where they have 8 missiles in the main bays, and 2 in the cheeks. And there is honestly enough room, to double layer these. So you could potentially see a loadout of 18 missiles, all internally stored... That is FRIGGIN insane!
    The US just currently doesn't have anything like that. The best they can do, is fly squadrons of F22's and F35s, with F15's hanging back. Which is fine. But really isn't really as effective, as having aircraft that can get right up to well within visual range, and then dog fight your ass off.
    And this is before we get to drones of the loyal wingman type variety. Which will complete change everything! Seriously, combine machine learning, future electro optical targeting systems, and drones... And ALL bets are off! It's impossible to understand the impact these systems have! They wikl EACH be as revolutionary as stealth was!
    The SU57 CREAMS the F35, in term of manoeuvrability! It's not even close. The F35 is simply not designed for that. BVR engagement... There is currently no plane in the skies, that beats the F35. It just has so many sensors, and they all work together in unison. It's about as perfect a system as you can imagine, given the state of current technology.
    But get up close... And the F35, is going to be in real trouble!
    Again, different air doctrines, different design philosophies. I'd love to see a theoretical match up. The SU57 even out classes the F22, for shear manoeuvrability.
    I've herd there are 3 different variants of the product 30 engine. The current iteration. One that has 3D thrust vectoring nozzles, that are serrated, like the F35. And one that could cross the design barrier into 6'th generation territory. Meaning producing significantly more power for future weapons systems; like high power offensive lasers, microwave weapons, and even particle weapons and the like.
    So, you could even start to see different variants of the SU57 being rolled out. Or have a degree of modularity, engine wise, where you chose which engine suits the mission best.
    It's just all up in the air. Which is why these kinds of comparisons are so hard, and also why they are often so highly inaccurate.
    But it's fun to do it, no doubt. We just have to admit that ultimately... It's almost impossible to say.

    • @MyMrGarrett
      @MyMrGarrett 3 місяці тому +2

      Wow. Great comment my man. Thanks

    • @user-ub3wh9mb7r
      @user-ub3wh9mb7r 3 місяці тому +3

      Чувак. Мне сложно было читать это все, с переводчиком. Но даже если ты сказал su 57 полный 👎 а f 35 и f 22 лучшие из лучших, все равно, мой тебе респект 👍. Уважение за то что ты писал со знанием дела, без троллинга и надменного превосходства. Привет из России 🇷🇺 🤝 У нас на севере России, мужики любят застольные споры. Что лучше Мерседес или бмв или Форд или Хендай.. Спорят спорят, потом разъезжаются по домам, и все на Toyota land cruiser 😅😅

    • @josephforrest3713
      @josephforrest3713 3 місяці тому +2

      @@user-ub3wh9mb7r No probs bud.
      I just find that there is a LOT of marketing spin from America, and the west in general.
      Which is silly. Western jets are SUPERB. And really don't require it.
      But they aren't unbeatable. Under the right conditions, most jets can beat any jet. There's an A10 with an F22 kill on the side lol. There's much less potent jets from all over the place, that have taken out an F22.
      Granted, some of the time, the F22s have been sent up with Luneburg lens, or drop tanks on board.
      But not always... F15's, Rafele's and Typhoons to name a few, have scored multiple kills, against clean load out F22's.
      And none of those jets are in the same LEAGUE as the SU57, when it comes to kinematic performance (again disclaimer, block 2 and above. The block 1 is better but not significantly than any of those)
      People often quote design studies, that where based on estimates and SAY AS MUCH in the damn study lol.
      Or refer to the patent when talking about RCS... The patent was filed, back in 2010, or something... Like multiple design iterations, haven't been flown since then. They hadn't even come close to finishing designing the engines. The stealth coating hadn't been started, I believe. And there are a host of other things that have changed radically, since this period.
      The patent, bears little to no resemblance, other than a similarly shaped airframe; to the block 2 SU57.

    • @user-ub3wh9mb7r
      @user-ub3wh9mb7r 3 місяці тому

      @@josephforrest3713 согласен. Вооружение. Как товар тоже нуждается в рекламе и маркетинге. Тем более мне кажется на Западе производством занимаются в основном крупные частные корпорации, с определённым контролем и сопровождением и участием Государства, и им не чужды приемы маркетинга что бы продать товар выгоднее. А в России разработкой и производством занимаются в основном государственные корпорации, или несколько небольших компаний но обязательно с блокирующим пакетом акций. Грубо говоря в России производство вооружения это прежде всего работа,и контроль государства а потом только бизнес, а на Западе это прежде всего огромный бизнес. И потом только работа) это мое личное мнение любителя не профессионала.

    • @TheKabuyez
      @TheKabuyez Місяць тому

      Great insight

  • @Aguy-ji9uq
    @Aguy-ji9uq 3 місяці тому +1

    Can you make a video about the usaf air weapons school?

  • @gregtheegg3576
    @gregtheegg3576 3 місяці тому +1

    I drew the same conclusion, but was not aware that ruz pilots start at bvr. Like you, it seems the pilot, their experience of flying while fighting, the situational awareness, the deep familiarity with the electronics, airframe, tactics, exploiting terrain features, and more, will likely be the deciding things. Great vid!

  • @Nanchon21
    @Nanchon21 3 місяці тому +2

    Great video as always. It would be nice if you coul duse DCS to get some B-roll for the scenarios (just a small Quality of life tweak)

    • @MaxAfterburnerusa
      @MaxAfterburnerusa  3 місяці тому +3

      Cool idea thanks!

    • @ILruffian
      @ILruffian 3 місяці тому

      Agree 100% with this. How is Track IR5 working out for you?
      I have TrackIR w/ a big Dell 49" ultrawide and I'm not feeling the need to go VR. Have heard VR can cause bad nausea, so I've avoid it. Wondering if people with your background are less susceptible to puking from VR.

    • @ba780YT
      @ba780YT 3 місяці тому

      @@ILruffianI’ve tried VR, and I honestly prefer playing on a monitor. I love vr games, and VTOL VR is one of my favorite VR games, but DCS just doesn’t feel right in VR. You might have a different experience though.

  • @themollerz
    @themollerz 3 місяці тому

    Ryan, out of curiosity, did you ever have an opportunity to fly the f-35A or could it have been a part of your USAF career?

  • @kosher4418
    @kosher4418 3 місяці тому +2

    Electronic warfare countermeasures, including active counteraction to IR-guided missiles, have no analogues

  • @Thetequilashooter1
    @Thetequilashooter1 Місяць тому

    Exceptional video! Thanks!!!

  • @johnpaulbacon8320
    @johnpaulbacon8320 3 місяці тому +2

    Nice video. I would give the advantage to the F-35's most of the time. I would bet that both the F-35's and F-22's have thrust vectoring now. Yes Russia came out with it - but the US has had it for a while now.

  • @jimm244
    @jimm244 3 місяці тому +1

    How many SU-57’s are in service presently?

  • @zrav1522
    @zrav1522 3 місяці тому

    It makes much more sense to compare the Su-57 to the F-22. Both are designed with a strong emphasis on air superiority, have similar thrust to weight ratio, wing loading, size, thrust vectoring. The F-35 family on the other hand came from the Joint Strike Fighter program, which had very different design goals.

  • @Highbread
    @Highbread 3 місяці тому +2

    I Love flipping the bird.... Be Jet Clean ppl

  • @AlphaGatorDCS
    @AlphaGatorDCS 3 місяці тому

    Hey dude, do you have a Discord? ;)

  • @Soccera0
    @Soccera0 3 місяці тому

    The F135-PW-300 does have thrust vectoring.

  • @markoconnell804
    @markoconnell804 3 місяці тому

    Compare the f-22 to the tic tac pulled from sensor data.

  • @raidenj1295
    @raidenj1295 3 місяці тому +2

    J 16 vs F-15EX

  • @njgrplr2007
    @njgrplr2007 3 місяці тому +1

    What is the point of super maneuverability if your opponent only has to turn their head to shoot at you with high off boresight missiles?

    • @TROOPERfarcry
      @TROOPERfarcry 3 місяці тому +1

      It allows the pilot to see their impending doom from a different angle?

    • @Justanotherconsumer
      @Justanotherconsumer 3 місяці тому +1

      Just because you can fire the missile doesn’t mean it will hit.
      Getting in a position with a higher chance of success matters.

    • @christopherbeckford3102
      @christopherbeckford3102 3 місяці тому +2

      You forget that the Russians mig 29 were the first to use the eye boresight archer missile in October 2000 in the red October exercise

    • @christopherbeckford3102
      @christopherbeckford3102 3 місяці тому

      America didn't have anything comparable until much later on

  • @Justanotherconsumer
    @Justanotherconsumer 3 місяці тому

    Hard to really cut through the jingoistic puffery inherent to dealing with prestige military projects like fighters, but the US is pushing hard on getting a 6th Gen into service, so the J-20 or the Su-57 must be at least competitive in some way with the F-35.
    Is dogfighting dead? People claimed that in the 1960’s with the advent of competent (ish) missiles.
    The J-20 definitely seems like the opposite of the Su-57 when it comes to prioritizing of maneuvering.
    Would love to see an F-35/J-20 comparison.

  • @warrenj38
    @warrenj38 3 місяці тому +1

    We need to implement the thrust vectoring system they had on the F16 vista. It was doing controlled flat spins in the 90s (?) just like the Su57 does today.
    ua-cam.com/video/dj8OJs6E3JM/v-deo.htmlsi=-wAkaoOIAYRDXwIT

  • @michaelbartley9572
    @michaelbartley9572 3 місяці тому

    The f35 literally doesn't need to maneuver. It can fly straight and smoke you even if your above it or behind it. The su57 pretty much has to have its nose pointed at yiu. Not to mention the counter measures on the f35 would have the su57 shooting decoys. The f35 also has advanced jamming and a flying super computer.

  • @bertg.6056
    @bertg.6056 3 місяці тому +1

    Visually, the Su-57 is a gorgeous aircraft. The F-35, not so much.

  • @eskildscott7841
    @eskildscott7841 3 місяці тому

    thing is the f35 doesn´t even need to dogfight if it´s loaded with the aim9x considering it can literally shoot behind it´s self combined with the fact that the aim9x is likely the best close combat missile

  • @badwolftx2139
    @badwolftx2139 3 місяці тому

    Luckily, there's practically no place on the globe where these 2 planes could ever go head-to-head.

    • @NorthPoleSun
      @NorthPoleSun 3 місяці тому +1

      Yes, US will never send these to Ukraine. Hopefully. It'll be a waste of great technology.

  • @TheMNWolf
    @TheMNWolf Місяць тому

    That training style seems almost stereotypically Soviet. Teach everyone to do something, teach the really good ones to do more. Is their Air Force voluntary or conscript?

  • @Wargasm54
    @Wargasm54 2 місяці тому

    What about the F-35B? Couldn’t it just hover in space and rotate? 😂

  • @johnsilver9338
    @johnsilver9338 3 місяці тому +2

    F-35s have the advantage in both BVR and WVR. It has stealth for BVR, and superior situational awareness as its the only aircraft that can see through its cockpit which will come very handy in a dogfight. Also F-35s can do thrust vectoring TVC maneuvers without even having TVC which is better for energy management. The only advantage Su-57 has is its large wings giving it better wing loading thus allowing it to do tight sustained turns. However, naval F-35C variant can also do the same tight turns like F-22 due to its larger wings. F-35C has Rafale's T/W ratio and Typhoon's wing loading. Its a different beast on its own.
    ua-cam.com/video/Qam6zbFCIfQ/v-deo.html
    ua-cam.com/video/G0hWzaKEeZo/v-deo.html

    • @zrav1522
      @zrav1522 3 місяці тому

      That is not correct. At half load the F-35C has a TTW of 0.93 and a wing loading of 383kg/m2 (the other variants have slightly better TTW but way worse wing loading). The Rafale at half load is 1.09 and 376kg/m2, respectively. And the Typhoon 1.22 and 337kg/m2, which is very close to both the F-22 and the Su-57. So no, the kinetic performance of any of the F-35 variants is not comparable to the other mentioned planes.
      Also only the F-35B has thrust vectoring, which is however only used to assist in STOVL, not for increasing maneuverability in air combat.

    • @johnsilver9338
      @johnsilver9338 3 місяці тому

      @@zrav1522 T/W ratio and wing loading of stealth is calculated at 50% fuel while 4th gen platforms at full fuel as they would need to carry external fuel to reach the same combat range. Typhoon and Rafale would need to carry 3 x 2000L external tanks to reach a similar 750 - 800nmi combat range of F-35C.
      Rafale C with 21,720 lb empty weight; 492 sq ft wing area; 2 x 17,000 lbf wet thrust; 10,360 lb internal fuel; with an armament of 6 x Meteor, 2 x MICA would need 3 x 2000 L of external fuel to reach the same 750 - 800 nmi combat radius. It will drop its tanks upon reaching its combat range giving it around 0.94 T/W and around 73.3 lb/sq ft wing loading.
      Typhoon with 24,250 lb empty weight; 551 sq ft wing area; 2 x 20,000 lbf wet thrust; 11,000 lb internal fuel; with an armament of 6 x Meteor, 2 x ASRAAM/IRIS-T would need 3 x 2000 L gal of external fuel to reach the same 750 - 800 nmi combat radius. It will drop its tanks upon reaching its combat range giving it around 1.03 T/W and around 71.0 lb/sq ft wing loading.
      F-35C with 34,580 lb empty weight; 668 sq ft wing area; 1 x 43,000 lbf wet thrust; 19,750 lb internal fuel; and 6 x AMRAAM has 0.92 T/W ratio and 69.7 lb/sq ft wing loading at 50% fuel.

    • @zrav1522
      @zrav1522 3 місяці тому

      @@johnsilver9338 That is cherry picking a scenario to give the advantage to the longer range platform. In plenty of mission profiles combat range is of secondary importance thanks to air refueling. Range is a design tradeoff, as are internal fuel and weapons bays and everything else. The F-35 is a strike fighter that got pressed into the fighter role as well late in development, and its kinetic performance shows.

    • @johnsilver9338
      @johnsilver9338 3 місяці тому

      @@zrav1522 That's not cherry picking. That's facts. It's why T/W at 50% fuel exist. It's kinetic performance is good enough for dogfighting thought its not what it was designed for. Especially the C variant.

    • @zrav1522
      @zrav1522 3 місяці тому

      @@johnsilver9338 When you intentionally specify a mission as benchmark that requires exactly the max range of one of the platforms, that is the definition of cherry picking. Do all missions require exactly 800nmi? Why not 400? Or 1200? Why does the F-22 have less range? Are the people writing the specs dumb? Surely you can see that it's more nuanced than that.

  • @EvellinDichev
    @EvellinDichev 2 місяці тому

    in simple words, Long range ( not in visual range) the winner is F-35 ( still depends of the place, as if its covered by Niobium f-35 will be visible as light house ). In dog fight situation due to higher maneuverability Su-57, but that 360 locking system gives a chance to f-35 to do some crazy shits. and over all, depends on the situation.

  • @TROOPERfarcry
    @TROOPERfarcry 3 місяці тому

    Further keep in mind that '57' is fully 62% _MORE_ than '35'.
    I don't know if that makes a difference or not, but it might well be a factor.

    • @chrismaggio7879
      @chrismaggio7879 3 місяці тому

      Oh, yeah... Great point! That HAS to make a difference. Maybe the next batch of 35s should be rebadged as F58s. We'll show them commies! I mean we're talking about a people who write half their letters backwards. Can't be hard to fool them.

  • @nicop195
    @nicop195 3 місяці тому

    I don’t even think the SU 57 can take the F 18 block 3 or the F 15 EX. Those 2 would be a better comparison

  • @drksideofthewal
    @drksideofthewal 3 місяці тому

    It’s interesting how Russian aircraft are designed for supermaneuverability in dogfights, yet their pilots are mostly trained for BVR.

  • @cte4dota
    @cte4dota 3 місяці тому

    Stealth of F35 is questionable also. Many claim how s400 can easily lock and track them. All the fuss about Turkey buying s400 and NATO not flying F35 even close to it anymore.

  • @MattiasHenriksson-sw7xw
    @MattiasHenriksson-sw7xw 3 місяці тому

    EW and missiles will probably matter alot in both BVR and dogfight aswell I reckon. Not that I think actual dogfighting is very likely. Should it happen the F35 has made some major mistakes imo. The SU-57 is extremely manouverable and, being the top of the line russian model will also probably have their best pilots.

    • @franknstein546
      @franknstein546 3 місяці тому

      I recon it doesn't matter if you are maneuverable, but rather if your missile is. If your 9x simply does a 360 and goes on straigt up that SUs butthole, what does it matter where the F35s nose is pointing at.

  • @qaswara76
    @qaswara76 2 місяці тому

    4:53 this is Jordan flag 🥱

  • @dennisarzubiaga2833
    @dennisarzubiaga2833 3 місяці тому +3

    Excellent presentation wish there were more people here watching live yay 🎉. Thankyou for your service at Nellis AFB. 💪

  • @4bernaj
    @4bernaj 3 місяці тому

    Do Russia have a top gun like program?

    • @JJEMTT
      @JJEMTT Місяць тому

      Nah, they let any dumpster fly the FU57, what do you think.

  • @CocoDave37
    @CocoDave37 3 місяці тому

    So let me get this right. I have a 2-3% chance of crashing because the military doesn't want to spend the extra money to have a second engine on their latest and greatest jet? How about we build one less CVN and use that money for twin engine F-35's?

  • @JTST1234
    @JTST1234 3 місяці тому

    Hey man, try the Indian planes. It will be fun, and you'll have lots of interested viewers too

  • @jeanhuynh8548
    @jeanhuynh8548 3 місяці тому

    J10ce just defeated Euro Typhoon 9-0 in a BVR and dogfighting dual! I guess Western fighter jet are not as good as they thought compared to Chinese ones. Now that the truth is reveal?

  • @TheOtteroo
    @TheOtteroo 3 місяці тому

    Well. Russia only has 8, SU57's, and only 3 are ever operational at any given time, meaning, the SU57 is not reliable.
    I think America has about 450-500 F35's and they're built to be reliable and easy to work on, AND, they can control other drone aircraft carrying four to eight more AIM-120 Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles.
    F35.

  • @kvarnerinfoTV
    @kvarnerinfoTV 9 днів тому

    So much wrong data in this video.
    Su-57 is faster than F-22, let alone slow F-35. 57 max soeed is 1616, not 1400 to 1500. It was not meant to be used va 4 gen olanes but 5th gen. 57 is not 4++ gen, it is 5th gen..etc.

  • @christophercates5257
    @christophercates5257 2 місяці тому +1

    Btw the SU57 is capable of that dynamic deceleration like we saw in maverick. Theres a video of it doing it at an air show .

    • @Thetequilashooter1
      @Thetequilashooter1 Місяць тому

      The problem with slowing down that much is that it makes the aircraft a sitting duck. People tend to forget that there are usually numerous fighters in the air, and often the opposing fighter that you don’t see is the one that gets you. If you watch any fighter documentaries, you’ll find one constant, all the pilots say the key to survival is maintaining your energy. They call slowing down “bleeding energy” and it’s usually not recommended if you want to increase your chances of survival.

    • @christophercates5257
      @christophercates5257 Місяць тому

      @@Thetequilashooter1 absolutely, Russian fighters have made their claim to fame bc of maneuverability. The US and Russia have completely different flight philosophy too. When engaged in a dog fight, which does still happen, both jets are losing energy through evasive maneuvering. This is where the Russian jet becomes superior. With the vectored thrust nozzles they can easily turn a corner faster in order to get behind the enemy jet. Everyone now days thinks all BVR when in reality that's true to a certain degree but BFM is also important to learn just in case. So many people on here are arrogant fanboys who don't really understand how planes function. A lot is confirmation and patriotic bias. but in maverick when he performed that move he did leave himself open big time. If they weren't amazed by what he did he could have eshot the shit out of that SU57 wile it was flat.

    • @Thetequilashooter1
      @Thetequilashooter1 Місяць тому

      @@christophercates5257 It’s only rumors and fake info that Russian jets are more maneuverable. Go watch videos and what you’ll find is that their maneuvers are essentially going low and sky performing low-g maneuvers. That doesn’t work in real combat. Don’t believe me. I’ll give you a few examples.
      - Look up 2008 Red Flag Nellis exercises. What you’ll find is a F-15 pilot discussing how they defeated Su-30MKI over and over in dogfights.
      - Go to UA-camr channel The Ready Room. He’s a former F-18C pilot, and he has a video where his F-18 beat a Malaysian Su-30, which had thrust vectoring, three out of three times.
      - There are also a couple cases of dogfights in both Iraq and Serbia where the F-15 came out on top defeating MiG-29s.
      The Russian fighters at air shows look amazing, but you won’t find aircraft in real combat going that slow performing low-g turns that only makes them sitting ducks.

    • @Thetequilashooter1
      @Thetequilashooter1 Місяць тому

      @@christophercates5257 I should have mentioned in my post above is to look into the analysis performed on each aircraft that participated in the MMRCA tender. Russia’s MiG-35 was part of the competition. Despite how incredible it looks at air shows, it performed horribly against western aircraft. The only area it did well was top-end speed, which is helpful when you’re trying to bogey out of a dogfight.
      You can also maintain energy when turning by doing rolls instead of sharp turns. That’s how US pilots in Nam beat MiGs in their F-4s. Read up about Operation Bolo.

    • @Thetequilashooter1
      @Thetequilashooter1 Місяць тому

      @@christophercates5257 I don’t know what happened to my other post so in shorter sentences it’s just fake Russian nonsense that Russian fighters are better dogfighters. They look impressive at airshows, but going low and slow doesn’t work in real combat. For instance, in both Iraq and Serbia F-15s beat MiG-29s in WVR. At Red Flag Nellis 2008 F-15s repeatedly beat Su-30MKIs. Go to UA-cam channel The Ready Room and watch how a F-15 defeats a Malaysian Su-30 three out of three times.

  • @markymarknj
    @markymarknj 3 місяці тому +3

    Though I'm not a fighter pilot, I have my license and am a lifelong aviation enthusiast. My assessment of the F-35 vs. Su-57 was the same: in BVR, the edge goes to the F-35, while the Felon would reign supreme WVR.

    • @ILruffian
      @ILruffian 3 місяці тому

      Agree. And unlike the SU-57, F-35s are actually being built in decent numbers. They aren't being build because Russia doesn't have the cash. Russian GDP is approximately the same as that of Italy. More important, corruption is absolutely rampant. Money that was supposed to become Felons got put toward superyachts.

    • @johnsilver9338
      @johnsilver9338 3 місяці тому

      F-35s have the advantage in both BVR and WVR. It has stealth for BVR, and superior situational awareness as its the only aircraft that can see through its cockpit which will come very handy in a dogfight. Also F-35s can do thrust vectoring TVC maneuvers without even having TVC which is better for energy management. The only advantage Su-57 has is its large wings giving it better wing loading thus allowing it to do tight sustained turns. However, naval F-35C variant can also do the same tight turns like F-22 due to its larger wings. F-35C has Rafale's T/W ratio and Typhoon's wing loading. Its a different beast on its own.
      ua-cam.com/video/Qam6zbFCIfQ/v-deo.html
      ua-cam.com/video/G0hWzaKEeZo/v-deo.html

    • @markymarknj
      @markymarknj 3 місяці тому

      @@johnsilver9338 I'm not bashing the F-35; I was just calling things as I see them. For decades, Russia has incorporated supermaneuverability into their fighters, whereas the US has not; that's just a fact. In a dogfight, maneuverability is everything, as it allows you to get pointed at the target first, so as to take a good shot. Now, the question becomes: how useful are supermaneuvers, when they eat up all your energy? John Boyd showed us how important energy is in modern air combat; it's EVERYTHING!
      However, aerial warfare has been steadily going to more BVR and less WVR. Even in the first Gulf War, much of the action was BVR, and that was over 30 years ago. Even the small percentage that was WVR, most of that was missile shots, while only a small percentage of WVR engagements were classic dogfights. Since then, air combat has migrated even more to BVR. Since air warfare is trending to BVR, a fighter must have different attributes than a fighter optimized for WVR; no longer is t/w ratio, thrust, speed, acceleration, etc. king like it once was, and the F-35 reflects the change to primarily BVR combat. For the mission it was designed for, the designers made the correct choices.
      However, i still stand by what I said: if the F-35 were to meet the Su-57 in combat and the Su-57 had a good pilot, I'm putting my money on the Felon; in a WVR environment, the Su-57 is one of the best jets today.
      I'll check out the links you put in. Thank you! I'm going to watch them now...

    • @markymarknj
      @markymarknj 3 місяці тому

      @@johnsilver9338BTW, I have mixed feelings on TVC. While it allows you to do some things, it also has its downfalls. It adds weight and complexity to the aircraft; F-22 Raptor pilots have often said that there were times they'd give up the TVC in exchange for 500# extra fuel. Also, what if the TVC, for whatever reason, jams off centerline? Then you're SCREWED! You'd be like the battleship Bismarck when her rudder was jammed.

    • @johnsilver9338
      @johnsilver9338 3 місяці тому

      @@markymarknj They did try TVC with F-16 Vista in the 1990s.
      ua-cam.com/video/dj8OJs6E3JM/v-deo.htmlsi=-wAkaoOIAYRDXwIT
      Plus like I said, F-35C has Rafale's T/W ratio and Typhoon's wing loading. While F-35A has Typhoon's T/W ratio and Gripen's wing loading. So F-35s can certainly dogfight especially the C variant. Though I agree with you its the skill of pilot that matters the most in WVR.

  • @randombloke10
    @randombloke10 3 місяці тому +2

    Regardless of the outcome the numbers are stacked so far against Russia that they must be massively concerned over NATO air superiority and how in Ukraine Mig-29's with HARM's have been messing up their air defence systems

    • @fs0c1ety_bs92
      @fs0c1ety_bs92 3 місяці тому +2

      Usa never fought a war like Russians are.....they fight army which use horses as transport
      Patriot system failed in ukraine u should consider that as well

    • @raidenj1295
      @raidenj1295 3 місяці тому

      Contrary to what many people in the west are saying, I don’t even think Russia wants the touch nato

    • @wpnexp336
      @wpnexp336 3 місяці тому

      @@fs0c1ety_bs92There are Su-34, Su-35 and A-50U pilots that would disagree... If they were still alive that is!

  • @goldengoat1737
    @goldengoat1737 3 місяці тому

    Classic pilot yea the Russian jet is better in a dog fight. But I’m a bad ass American. So we would win anyway

  • @AceLuceroTech
    @AceLuceroTech 3 місяці тому +2

    I test flown an SU-57, I was impressed, the thrust vectoring was no joke.

    • @raidenj1295
      @raidenj1295 3 місяці тому +4

      In ace combat

    • @Highbread
      @Highbread 3 місяці тому +1

      @@raidenj1295 Calm down everyone... Yes, I am Highbread of ACE Combat... Highbread 5th gen Demo😈 Your Welcome and Be Jet Clean

    • @chrismaggio7879
      @chrismaggio7879 3 місяці тому +1

      Were you a Navy SEAL too?

    • @Highbread
      @Highbread 3 місяці тому +1

      @@chrismaggio7879 Naw he was a delta marsoc pj astronaut.

    • @chrismaggio7879
      @chrismaggio7879 3 місяці тому +1

      Damned legend is what he is!@@Highbread

  • @umarKaliyu
    @umarKaliyu Місяць тому

    This is not a fair analysis of the two aircraft’s… it’s like before you start your analysis you’ve already favored the F35… you are talking base on the information you have and not what you know about the aircraft. Please stop analysis I’d you can’t be fair… I am somewhere in Northern Nigeria but totally disagree with your pain analysis… now everyone can see anything in the world and can analyze it themselves…

  • @koushik-eg8bg
    @koushik-eg8bg 3 місяці тому

    Dog Fight no one match Su57s

  • @nomercyinc6783
    @nomercyinc6783 3 місяці тому +1

    russian tech is and always will be second class

  • @yuukimasamura5143
    @yuukimasamura5143 2 місяці тому +1

    is there an advanced LGBTQI version of the F35 that can ward off the CIS SU-57 with pure western culture?

  • @Kroenen07
    @Kroenen07 3 місяці тому +2

    First comments pls pin

  • @rogerjonasson1161
    @rogerjonasson1161 2 місяці тому

    No way an American think that there 35 is the best of the best 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @sexyitalian891
    @sexyitalian891 3 місяці тому

    Honestly, its hard to watch your videos most of the time. You're never really like, fair, in my opinion. All of these Jets are classified, and obviously Russians will me tightlipped and so will Americans about their top tech. But you always assume the worst about Russian Jets, and the best about American ones. You sometimes come across as a recruiter for the US army, or a spokesperson. As someone completely neutral to the current political climate, your videos always come across as so pro America you may as well just state in every video "Russia sucks, here's why".
    Does the US government pay you? You seem more like a propaganda channel than unbiased. Example in this video, we're just comparing the 2 fighters. Every single glaring weakness of the F35, you try to brush it off with things that have nothing to do with the direct comparison one which aircraft is better, such as mentioning the military budget. One of the biggest weaknesses of the F35 is its single engine, which is obviously far inferior to the Su 57's twin engine setup, but you gloss this over by mentioning the budget, like that somehow excuses it. it accelerates far slower, is less maneuverable, has less range, etc, because of that single engine setup. An F35 with twin engines would be an overall better plane regardless of the price incurred.

  • @raybensinger8383
    @raybensinger8383 3 місяці тому

    Su 57 has 6 radars larger an more powerfull l band x band allso russia is a leader in air defense radar so why does everyone think there flagship jet would be so much behind us doesn't ass up

    • @Thetequilashooter1
      @Thetequilashooter1 Місяць тому

      The US has been fielding AESA for over two decades, and it’s in thousands of aircraft. Russia’s still struggling to put its first AESA in fighters, and yet you think Russia is ahead? Hahaha
      It’s the US that’s the leader. Russia’s technological behind in almost everything that you can imagine. You’re bragging about Russia’s air defenses, but you’re oblivious to how easily the Ukrainians are striking strategic targets not only in Ukraine but in Russia.

  • @Kim-bc3cr
    @Kim-bc3cr 2 місяці тому

    *Promosm* 😑