F-22 vs Russian SU-57 Fighter Pilot Reacts
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- Опубліковано 6 тра 2024
- Fighter pilot reacts to the Russian SU-57 vs the USA F-22 Raptor. Which fighter jet is faster?
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About the crossection battles. SU57 is not built as a direct competitor to F22, it is built to be the hunter for F22 with longer wave radar built in wings, estimating where the F22 flyes. Great planes, both, anyway. I hope they wont dogfight for real.
Dogfight for fun without real weapons would still be interesting to see. Will probably come down to the skill of the pilot in each plane.
@@SewTubular yeah, somewhere on the airshow, tbat would be a top attraction. But we definetely need a different level of state relations for that.
Muahahaaa.
Longer wave radar is useless for targeting. Detection and successful engagement are completely different beasts. Fidelity matters in beyond visual range engagements. And make no mistake, it will be BVR.
@@freedomseeds4713 Sure, LR radars are for just having the understanding that F22 is around and a rough approximation where, so say SU35 following the SU57 as a misile trucks or SU57 itself can launch some mad dog misiles in a direction of threat. Sure it will be BVR with an AWACS and ground radars on ... at least for some time. Lets hope it is not a real scenario.
I think Russia and Iran took a slightly different approach than say China. I think they understand that when it comes to actual fighter jets, the best tactical approach is missile dominance. You cant produce near as many Su 57 as the US has of F35 and F22 and they aren't far superior, but comparable. But missile technology and advanced air defenses have been more practical and closed the gap rapidly
each f22 is coated with a special paint that reduces its radar visibility and is abnormally expensive. that paint is damaged at high speeds, heats up and cracks. So it has to be maintained regularly. one Hour of Flight f22 costs $70,000
The only thing killing America is the bloody expensive contractors. Russia doesn't have those contractors.
цена одного мешочка с гайками .
F-22 the balloon killer!
Su-57, all 8 active aircraft 😂
I agree The Su 57 is like a balloon.
@@Madcracka POP! 😄
@@FishandHunt Su-57 shoot down Ukrainian Mig-29 at distance of 400km. We will hardly see the raptor prove something similar. Made in the USA is no longer the best.
Not even that maybe 4, they are vaporware, this video is useless, he is talking Russia's word on the SU 57, if they exist why they are not deployed in Ukraine?
Correction F22 can carry 6x AMRAAMS. So 6x 120s and 2x 9s for a total loadout.
With the choice of an additional 8 AMRAAM's if they decide to use the four underwing pylons in a non-stealth mode, such as CAP missions.
So one F22 can almost shoot down the whole fleet of su-57s 😂
@@notanymore9471It has guns. It can wipe them all out. There's only 7 now.
There are too many assumptions about the Russian radars, and what's actually fitted in Su57. This is crucial information to perform assessment beteeen F22 and Su57. We really don't know if Su57 will spot F22, as simple is that. Assuming it doesn't is just that - an assumption.
The Su-30 sees the f-22 perfectly. The radar on the Su-57 is more modern. In 2018, the Su-57 was tested in Syria, it was able to fly unnoticed to the Khmeimi base, and then twice approached American 5th generation aircraft and photographed them in different signatures. The pilot on the f-35 saw it only when he looked up. I am glad that the Su-57 is old and noticeable for you - it will be a big surprise.
Exactly . Only Russian Test Pilot Viktor Bogdan knows and few Dozen Russian Engineers ! That's why Viktor Travels with FSB Body gourds right . ! Russian Airforce just Released - Su - 57M Felon with new Engine more Cruse speed and 6 % Fuel Efficiency and 1500 MH Cruising !!!! Watch out US !!!!
@@papatamExcept at no point did that actually happen.
@@sovietpineapple7938 If the TV didn't tell you, then it wasn't? Of course, for your peace of mind, of course it wasn't.
@@papatam No, I base my statement off the fact that Russian MoD has not released a statement of an incident like that ever occurring, nor is there any form of proof that it ever happened.
"Fly unnoticed to Khemeimi air base"
Khemeimim airbase is Russian, not American.
"Photographed them"
Oh cool, so there's photos? That must mean you have easy, irrefutable evidence of this event happening, right? Mind linking them, O' great prophet of truth?
"The pilot on the F-35 saw it only when he looked up"
There weren't any US F-35s in Syria until August 2023. Even if there were, there's a nigh 0% chance this would happen; The F-35's DAS would immediately pick up the 57's infrared signature, because its engines has absolutely no concealment.
Quit the act and just say you made this shit up, it's so obvious to anyone with a modicum of aviation knowledge.
F22's only combat mission was to shoot down a balloon, wow.
SU-57 hasn’t even been deployed in the active war it’s country is at.
How many su-57’s are there?
@@usa5893su57 has successfully conducted multiples bombing against a NATO armed nation in ukr. No patriot batteries has taken them out. The US will never fly f22 or f35 against russia only against primitive militias in the ME
Well yes because by the time the Ruskies figured out how to cover the exposed nuts on a Su-57, NATO created F-35 which kinda forced the F-22 into being only an Air Superiority fighter jet.
now you know it can shoot down a balloon. how many balloons have the su57 shot?
Rarely unbiased and professional review. Of course he'll favor F22 stealth capabilities cause Raptor is about stealth and better EW for BVR combat. Su57 capabilities are actually unknown but obviously lack stealth and it's built different way. We simply don't know what would happen until those two eventually fight. F-22 also has no a2a kills except balloon..
Nice try troll.
There is a serious advantage that the SU-57 has, not against the F22 but against the Patriot and that is it can pick up the Patriot system before the Patriot picks up the jet by I think 15 or 20km. Enough to fire and 180.
Hopefully, this issue is resolved in future revisions of the Patriot system. They are about to replace the SU-34 with them in theater and there’s a good chance they already have, which is why the systems are being attacked undetected.
I don’t think Russia is really hyper focused on stealth as it is expensive and the modern battlefield relies more on quantity than quality. The higher the quality the higher the production cost, production turn-time, special resource demand, and operational cost. It’s cheaper for them to instead have general to subpar stealth capabilities and focus more on Radar and long range strike systems.
Would love to hear you do some break downs of random possible matchups. I.E. F18 v Eurofighter, F-15 v SU35, Mirage 2000 v F16. I know a lot of times it comes down to the pilot. But plane matchup's like these are fun to watch.
F15EX would beat the hell out of Su35, but if there's an F15E there's going to be much harder to do that. Consecutively F15 eagle would highly likely lose to this SU. It all depends on modifications and what they have on board. The F16 of cold era is a literal pile of junk, meantime it's latest modification block70/72 or so called Viper is very very tough opponent, probably close to the same Su35 capabilities wise
@@victorlazari5708😂😂😂любая модификация ф-15 может только убиться о су-35 и ф-22 тоже им подаваться.
@@user-hg7hy8lv1m ты болен... F15EX в хлам срубит твой су -35, F15E тоже будет неплохие шансы иметь. F22...я просто молчу....он возьмёт сразу трёх и врядле будет даже зацеплен
It appears that the matching is between F-22 vs Su75 check mate and Su 57 vs F-35
F-22 all the way.
I’m not a pilot, but that’s the fighter I’ll always bet on.
Been following it since 1994 🤷🏻♂️
The Felon is a great looking plane
So what. So is the F-22.
@@UnCannyValley67cool story
Yes.. love that huge teal arch in the cockpit 🤭
@@ice_fox hey what ever floats your boat 🍻
@@UnCannyValley67 So what. So is the SU-57
The stealth places a big role see first shoot first. Putting the other guy on the defensive. This is one area where the F22 excels.
According to Yemeni authorities, an F22 was shot down near the capital Sanaa. And how much talk there was about the most invulnerable invisible aircraft. The Houthis in slippers simply did not know that this was the most formidable US aircraft, otherwise they would not have touched it.
@@krendel49someone didn't do their homework 😂, 20 mins after houties claimed to have shot down a f22 the Pentagon released a list of the planes involved (no F22) and none of the planes were shot down, why was there no f22? Well the f22 is a air to air platform and it has no air to surface capabilities, the planes that actually were there were , 15 f18 super hornets, 4 euro fighter typhoons 3 ddgs, a carrier and some submarines, please stop listening to your local Russian propaganda channel, as for the video the su-57 would either be shot before it even gets in to the air or run out of fuel 30 miles from the runway
@@krendel49у американцев все что есть в плоде до рогатки это называют супероружие,😂
@@krendel49they make empty claims like Russia. United States already showed that never happened.
@@krendel49There's no way you actually believe that lmao. Not a single shred of evidence exists for the shoot down.
Господа американцы. Я хочу вам сказать, что не так уж и невидимы ваши самолёты. Если его су30 находит в нейтральной территории над Балтийским морем. А когда су30 подлетает к вашей невидимка и включает электронный прибор помех у вашего невидимки выходит из строя вся электроника. Подумайте хорошо над невидимостью этих самолётов. Нет таких пока технологий пока у человечества, но оно двигается к этому. Просто производители оружия вытягивают миллиардами деньги со своих правительств. Если ваш самолёт невидимка пятого поколения обнаруживает самолёт поколения 4++
да ты им хоть ссы в глаза, все божья роса. пусть продолжают верить в свое "СУПЕР ОРУЖИЕ"
Им нужно продавать своё оружие, поэтому они придумывают сказки про его непобедимость
Что-то они про испытания сушки в Сирии не слова. Разведка прозевала "видимый" для них самолёт. А потом су-57 охотился на их самолёты 5-го поколения и фотографировал - они тоже со своими современными "радами" его не увидели. Так, что пусть продолжают верить в свою же выдумку.
One thing to note is that the US is putting alot of money into stealth pods that would replace external pilons. So theoretically you can up arm both the F35 and F22 with these pods that will probably have a stealthy shape and added RAM on them to gice these planes longer ranges or more numerous weapons while still being stealth, obviously the RCS will be somewhat increased but if the pod wont add much more RCS then the F22 is going to have an insane edge being able to probably throw 6-10 more missiles per plane
People at Aircraft 101 did independent radar scattering simulations for the f-35, Su-57, J-20 and the Rafale. And it's pretty interesting. The best is the F-35 with an average frontal radar cross section of 0.06m^2, the J-20 gets 0.21m^2 and the SU-57 0.48m^2. The SU-57 is quite a bit less stealthy than other stealth aircraft, but compared to the Rafale, with a whopping 2m^2, it really isn't that bad, for what essentially is a flying barn. The J-20 isn't all that smaller than the su-57 and halves the radar reflectivity and the f-35 is just amazingly stealthy. Two things to consider also are; first radar absorbent materials were not modeled, just the shape was considered, second the values presented are average frontal radar cross sections which are representative of a real world scenarios, what the official figures usually probably cite is the minimal frontal cross section (so when you are looking at the plane from a specific angle), those values are much lower.
Sukhoi claims Su-57 having a RCS "goal" between 0.1 to 1 m^2 (-10 to 1 dBsm). The F-22 and F-35 has a RCS better than -40 dBsm - which is at least 1,000 to 10,000 times smaller than Su-57. The frontal RCS of Su-57 simulated by Aircraft 101 isn't really 0.48m^2. Actually, even the X-band across 20°, as illustrated in the 'Contour Plot-Su57-20x20Deg-X-Band' within this simulation, demonstrates this. Although I cannot link to the image here on UA-cam, you should be familiar with it if you have reviewed the study's findings.
Observe the regions shaded in orange and red? These indicate spikes of 5.5 dBsm and 10 dBsm (equivalent to 10 m^2), attributed to the exposure of engine fan blades, despite the implementation of a proposed radar blocker and the application of RAM coatings on the inlet wall, as simulated in the study. The placement of these elements across the center ensures they cannot be avoided, rendering the Felon especially susceptible to surface radars and SAMs. This vulnerability also greatly inhibits its ability to cruise at higher altitudes. Thus, the idea of maintaining a 0.5 m^2 RCS is unrealistic; in real-world conditions, the Felon's instantaneous RCS will significantly exceed that figure.
Incidentally, the Su-57 is unique among fifth-generation aircraft in its continued use of a UV-based Missile Warning System (MWS) with the 101KS-U. This reliance constitutes a significant handicap in modern beyond-visual-range (BVR) combat due to the rapid absorption of UV emissions from missile motors by ozone, which increases in concentration by a factor of six at higher altitudes. The Su-57 is considered a 5th gen. aircraft because a large number of people want it to be; even if it means turning a blind eye to a number of irrefutable facts to the contrary.
@@EtaLeporis In other words the russians' claims about the stealth capabilities of Su-57 match the independant test being done, while the US' claims are inflated by several orders of magnitude compared to the independant test.
Yes, sounds business as usual. Abrams invincible - gets knocked down by a single T-72 shot. Patriot being so much better than the "overhyped" S-400, gets destroyed by garage-build Yemeni drones (the saudi Patriots incident).
6:40 Actually, it holds 6 AIM120 sized missiles in it's center weapons bay but you've probably already been told this 3 dozen times in 3 days.
The number I've heard is 4 AIM-120-sized missiles, although 6 like the F-22 seems reasonable. 8 is definitely too many, as the tandem bays would have to be twice as long, and the airframe just isn't big enough for that. I've never seen any actual photos of the Su-57 carrying anything, so nothing can be said to be confirmed.
I really think people need to talk in a more sophisticated manor, when dealing with the SU57's RCS. Here's a few points that everybody seems to just brush over.
1. The first stage engines (AL41). HUGE. Clearly mucking up it's stealth profile. Not in any way shape or form designed with stealth in mind. The AL51 second stage engines are!
2. Air intakes. The block 2 will reportedly be fitted with intake grilles. People scoff at this as a stealth solution. You know what ELSE had intake grilles... The F117...
3. The weapons bays hadn't been perfected, until recently! Not an easy fix.
4. No SU57 flying, has ever had R.A.M applied. Apparently, it's just too expensive to keep applying, for what little benefit it should afford them, while they haven't fixed the issues above.
BUT, that said, the R.A.M is supposed to offer -45db of reduction! Which is pretty decent!
All told, this is how they get to 0.008. And that is a mean average. Not just best angles, the way America reports.
Exactly, the Su-57 was never a finished product but a evolving platform, Russians can't afford to make hundreds of F35s before they're ready and have to upgrade / retire them early, lol.
The integrated air defense strategy suggests that employing air to air combat is not economic or tactically expedient. Multi-layered defense suggests that going head to head is an idea those at the Pentagon just are not capable of letting go of.
Hell, if you ask me, comparison between similar platforms comes down to quality of build, logistics, maintenance, and most importantly... the man behind the machine. In this case the pilot. When it comes down to comparable platforms, the more skilled, open minded, operator wins :}.
They are not similar. Not even close.
You would be wrong, you can put mario andretti behind a ford contour the car wont compete.
You got me there, but I did say comparable platforms. :}. And the F22 is no contour. If you put Andretti in the same Indy car as an inexperienced driver with a poor pit crew, I'm betting on Mario. @@hawkslayer2351
Biggest difference is how much debt both nations are in
And who actually has to pay their debt if it came down to it.
AH, to whom?
The F-22 can carry as many SDBs internally as the F-35 or the F-16 (externally for the latter), which would be 8.
The F-22 also has an edge being that it actually exists in numbers and is combat ready. Kind of an important factor.
@@roseivory8496 What type category is that? Inferior? You're right, we don't have any of those.
@@roseivory8496 You can bot simp all you want, the entire world literally believes nothing Russia has to say based on their decades of blatant pathological lying. You all did this to yourselves.
@@roseivory8496 It is a 5th gen fighter based on Ivan's claims, but that's all it is, claims. If there's one thing we've learned about Ivan over the decades it's that he lies, A LOT. Even when there's facts proving their lie, they still do it. If the SU-57 really existed as you say it is, they would have been able to gain more air superiority over Ukraine which they haven't been able to do, at all. It should just be called the "SU-57 Speculation" as far as the world is concerned.
@@roseivory8496 No, they aren't used because there's not even a handful of them operable! I have nothing further to say to your responses based on factless claims made by a pathological lying country. They lie and then lie some more, and everyone knows it. I'll believe it when I see it.
@@roseivory8496 the SU 57 has been used in both Syria and the Ukraine. Sorry mate that you have missed this news.
Sukhoi has 4 radars.for your info. and infra red search and track device.so it would be very hard for f22 to hide from it
LMAO.......Russia will never put a SU-57 to flight when an F-22 is near by for combat. Russia won't even send one to Ukraine because they can't afford to lose one. they have less than 10 that are operational and less than 5 that are combat ready! There are over 175 fully operational F-22 in service.
@@donstaggs3827 i really dont know why are you laughing...it is true what you wrote but Su57 is more than capable to kill Raptor and that is the fact. No Raptor pilot would be over confident if he would face it
#1, there would be no dog fight. The F22 would not be seen and would shoot down the SU57 from far away. The infra red that you speak of would be useless at that distance along with any radar because the US has superior, advanced stealth that no other country in the world has.@@zagrepcanin82
You won’t find one credible expert who agrees with you. In fact, India left the partnership to develop the Su-57 with Russia because they thought its lack of stealth features was so bad that Russia would need to start all over. The F-22 is far better than the Su-57 in every way imaginable. Stealth, power, radars, sensors, situational awareness, are all in the F-22’s favor.
The US has been using AESA radar for over twenty years and it’s in of aircraft. There’s no way that Russia passed the US, especially since it’s well known that Russia is not a technological leader. The Su-57 also is huge on radar in comparison to the F-22. And when it comes to sensor fusion, situational awareness, stealth, AI, Russia is nowhere near as close technologically as the United States. In fact, what the Ukrainians have found when examining captured Russian weapons is that they are all loaded with US made microchips.
Thanks for the vid.. two things that are NOT mentioned here... I'm interested to see what your thoughts are. What about the AIM 260 (Which is better than the best AMRAMS) and the 11Billion dollar upgrade they are doing to the F22's now. I THINK - not sure, they are adding all the advanced avionics, the F35 has into the F22 air frame. This will allow the US to fill the gap while they come out w/ the next 6th gen aircraft... thoughts??
They have filmed f22s in the desert with mirror like finishes, we will never know till after they are operational.
great video flyboy
Very good explaination. Finally a good and balanced analyze. Why arent this man on BBC,CNN etc...Because he is to honest and down to earth
(Tue Fact)
The Su-57 is the Stealth aircraft, but is not stealth like the F-22 and F-35.
doesn't the F-22 have room for six AMRAAM, not four like you said? I believe the Su-57 can carry anywhere from four to six Fox 3's in it's two bays, some sources claim eight but picture what looks like four comically small R-77 in the rear bay and four more little R-27 in the forward bay. I'll assume this isn't true, as it's the only photo I can find, and only a handful of non-credible articles.
@@nicholasmiller1406 really? even with all the pictures showing it with six? you can see pictures with it carrying six AiM-120 very commonly, and in an empty bay there are very clearly six pylons.
@@nicholasmiller1406wrong, you can find pictures very easily showing that it can carry six of the 120s + 2 Aim9x
@@Wyomingchief bro must've used google for the first time in his life and deleted his comment 🤣
Yes it’s 6.
Source: I work on missiles and work directly with the loaders.
@@youngthieff ok thanks. That’s what I thought but good to make sure 👍
What simulator are you using?
Can u fire missile when inverted?
Well 1st the f22 holds 6 amraams in its middle bay, and 1 sidewinder in each of his 2 side bays. Now when the air force starts accepting the Peregrine missile, that center bay payload will double.
Su57 has 5 antenas, working in X band and L band, it can see all type of aircrafts
except the F22, F35 etc......The US can detect the SU57 175 miles away. Their stealth is a joke.
@@donstaggs3827yea Because Russians don't value stealth. The F22 is built with RAM, among other things, so it is difficult for the SU57 radar to detect the F22 in time.
Have you flown both?
I never thought that Dr. Snuggles would betray us, but it must be him. No one else on this planet can make stealth fighters out of disassembled washing machines, not even MacGyver can do that 🤡🤣
The British announced a new level, now from refrigerators. freeze
"I don't know what radar the Su-57 uses but it's probably 10 years behind the F-22."
Suuuuure...
Lol
Nah, he's probably right. The APG-77v1 has more TR modules of better fabrication quality, ~2,000 notched antennas compared to the N036-1-01's ~1500 slotted ones.
The US has operated AESAs on their aircraft for about two decades. The Su-57 is the *first* aircraft they have with AESA.
СУ-57 это 5-поколение. Раньше ты ходил в туалет себе в тарелку, а теперь у тебя есть унитаз. Есть разница?
Quick question… how did he get access to a S57? Is Russia allowing us to just walk up to their jets
Russia's internal security is *atrocious*.
As you says 😅@@TheNerdForAllSeasons
@@TheNerdForAllSeasons🤣🤣🤣 настолько ужасна что перехватывают даже разговоры офицеров НАТО, немцы не дадут соврать.
Вы все еще думаете что Россия это та Россия которая была в 90х-2000х годах?
Вы очень сильно ошибаетесь
I mean they don't let you walk up to F-22s either lmao, this is just speculation based on known data.
Fair and balanced analysis
The F-22 can carry 6 AMRAAMs internally, not just 4. Along with 2 AIM-9Xs, that's a total of 8 air-to-air missiles.
For now. They’re shrinking the aim 120s to half their size. I’m not sure if they’re going to be able to fit 12 in the f22 probably. But that would be pretty sick.
@@forfun6273 If you have the AIM-160 CUDA in mind, then yes, it's about half the size of the AIM-120, so the F-22 should be able to carry a total of 12 of them (plus 2 AIM-9Xs) internally. But who knows if/when this missile will become operational. It's really very experimental.
The AIM-260 JATM will probably become operational first, and it's the same size as the AIM-120, with greater range and other improved capabilities.
Obviously stealth would let a fighter get closer to its targets before launching missiles, perhaps even within the missiles' no-escape zone. Once both of the new types of missile are available, do you think the F-22 and F-35 will carry a mix of AIM-160s and AIM-260s? For BVR air-to-air combat, the options will probably be: 6xAIM-260, 12xAIM-160, or 3xAIM-260 + 6xAIM-160. Maybe there could even be a 2xAIM-260 + 8xAIM-160 loadout.
And a 20mm cannon
@@forfun6273 Peregrine and AIM-260 for extreme BVR
You definitely had a cold as you filmed this episode 😂
I'll take the F-22 everyday. From everything I gather the U.S.A just trains more and they have what 6 that can fly? Training over everything in the end. Plus I think the plane is just better lol
22 serial produced su57
Yeah, just pay the bill. 70000! Per hour 😅😅😅, special bunkers, super duper technicians plus, plus, plus,. Not to mention Uncle Frost 😢
Thanks Ryan you’re totally awesome
You weren't telling the truth about Pratt and Whitney. Su-57 engines are an order of magnitude more efficient than F-22 engines.
Do clouds increase thrust output?
I think the Felon has an edge in maneuverability due to three-dimensional thrust vectoring and it definitely has more internal hardpoints but I also think a merge is very unlikely. You can't hit what you and your seekers can't track.
From what I understand latest version of the Flanker is also a wicked dogfighter.
It has that advantage now, but the new Su-57 engine will only be 2D thrust vectoring like the F22. However, that will also reduce its radar cross section even further.
The raptor still points is nose just as well if not better than the felon with only 2d. Honestly we really don’t know how capable either fighter is, it’s all classified. I do know f22 pilots hold back at air shows and foreign simulation fights.
The felon has 4 internal hard points and the raptor has 8 I don't think having double is less lol
Internal hard points? Raptor can carry 6 tops….
@@erikcourtney1834 six AMRAAM in the center bays, two AiM-9 in the side bays. the Felon can also carry two Fox-2 missiles in side bays but can only carry four in the center bays (unless it uses smaller less capable missiles, in which case it can then carry six. same amount as the raptor.) there are some sources claiming the felon can carry eight but they all use the same picture with comically short existing missiles. basically just a woozle effect.
That's the first time for me to hear a fair and unbiased assessment of an adversary airplane on this channel. Thumbs up 👍 from me.
No matter how the F-22 fans humiliate the SU-57, the F-22 pilots’ anuses will begin to shrink in the sky if they somehow find out that the SU-57 is somewhere nearby.
How would these go up against an f15 ex 3 ?
The SU57 has multiple advantages over the F22. People overestimate stealth technology and RCS factor. The mighty F117 was also stealth with very small RCS, but Serbs managed to hit 3 of them and even shot down one with 50 years old technology.
Anyhow, the biggest F22' flaw is not having an infrared sensor because of what SU57 is seriously superior in a potential dog fight.
The f117 was old technology as well.
Oh yes it does... Sukhoi’s own patent describe Su-57 having a frontal RCS between 0.1 to 1 m^2 (-10 to 1 dBsm), which is comparable to that of a clean F-18E Super Hornet or Tomahawk cruise missile. Do you see anyone referring either as Stealth? And no, contrary to the fanboys this isn’t some all-aspect RCS (there is no such thing). Sukhoi’s patent was explicit on it being from the selected angle [Frontal aspect] corresponding to that of Su-27’s 10-15 m^2 RCS. That’s at least 1,000 to 10,000 times bigger than F-22 and F-35 (-40 dBsm). Since detection range is proportional to the 4th root of RCS, even a 1,000 times bigger RCS corresponds to a radar detecting Felon from nearly 6 times greater range. That is an enormous disparity in detection range that is simply impossible to overcome by any other means. SU-57 will be on the ground bevore it can see the F-22... Incidentally, the Su-57 is unique among fifth-generation aircraft in its continued use of a UV-based Missile Warning System (MWS) with the 101KS-U. This reliance constitutes a significant handicap in modern beyond-visual-range (BVR) combat due to the rapid absorption of UV emissions from missile motors by ozone, which increases in concentration by a factor of six at higher altitudes. The Su-57 is considered a 5th gen. aircraft because a large number of people want it to be; even if it means turning a blind eye to a number of irrefutable facts to the contrary. So stop Lying...
"As you can see, the SU-57 is the most advanced fighter jet ever created."
"Nice, how many do you have?"
"Ahem. As I said, THE SU-57 is the most advanced fighter jet ever created."
Когда пилоту F-35 сказали - взлетай, пилот ответил - на улице дождь.🤣🤣🤣
Wet F22 nets like a Christmas tree.
Based purely on design, I prefer the Felon.
I thought the Raptor is taller with it's huge twin tails but the Felon is taller? Hmm
Странный обзор. Половина "преимуществ" сводится к простому "русские отстают на 5-10 лет". И никаких доказательств. С чего вдруг радары ф22 лучше? Возможно вы видели их возможности, возможно. Но вы точно не знаете возможности Су57. С двигателями та же история: почему американский двигатель лучше? Вот почему? Технология у США уже старая, не развивается последние годы, в то время, как в РФ стали ставить двигатели второго этапа, свежей разработки.
Я к тому говорю, что вы даже не видели возможности российского самолёта, вы просто априори считаете, что если что-то произведено в США, то оно лучше. Это далеко не всегда так. Банальный пример - что там с гиперзвуком
Cant wait for NGAD six gen fighter
My conclusions:
The Su-57 is a newer aircraft (designed more recently) and has several advantages:
-More place for weapons (or alternativly longer and bigger weapons which the F-22 can't do)
-More sensors/radars, some superior
-Better sensor integration/communications
-Superior maneuverability
-Greater range
-Infrared search/track as an alternative to radar. (very useful for stealth aircraft as a passive tracking mode)
-Cheaper maintenance (especially of stealth capabilities)
The F-22 seems still superior in:
-stealth due to conceiled exhausts and other cues
-dry engine power output (nullyfied by higher weight though)
-main radar and SAR
My 8 years old self just loves the look of the Felon. My 46 year old self wishes the US would have gone with the F23.
All that said, I'm fine with being an armchair warrior and just watching.
I can really see the f15 in the background on the screen at 0:03
Would love to see them meet in simulation fight.
I know it is a video game, but since both have top secret secrets on exactly what they can do and cannot do it is very hard to know how they would perform in a combat situation. Going by data we know about my bet would be on the Raptor. In the end it would all come down to Pilot skill and Experience. I am not a Pilot, but that is what I see from everything I have learned.
"I know it's a video game" what are you even talking about? lmao
It's not about the plane, It's about the man or the woman in the box.......lol.
while true i think the safest bet is the raptor, its been in service longer which means pilots have had more experience with the aircraft, US has alot more experience with stealth aircraft and what we know in general about stealth and how certain attibutes can lower or raise a fighters RCS i think its clear that the SU57 is at a very clear disadvantage. But lets also not forget how badly the SU is doing interms of numbers, russia is still really struggling to get them out the factory line.
@@ashleygoggs5679 They made 20 last year eventually it will catch up but at the moment they are focused on drones, loitering munitions and tanks
@@Xavier28200 Have you got any evidence to show that, becuase when it comes to numbers SU57 is a minefield, everyone saying its 10-15-20 and nobody citing a source for confirmation. Either way While F22 is out of production the US and NATO are closer to 6th gen then russia and in the meantime US is pumping out thousands of F35s which numerically gives its a much much larger edge.
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About topic F-22A vs Su-57 ,I can write only one thing .F-22A would do very badly against Su-57 just like F-15C did vs Su-27S in several joint 'friendly' tactical air exercises between 1992 and 1996 held in USAF Langley AFB and Russian Lipetsk and Savasleyka air bases. Does anyone here know for those exercises and what was the result at the end of it ?
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lol no
I like the su-57 talk about a sexy plane
F-22 carries 6 AMRAAMs not 4...
You're thinking of the F-35. Which btw will soon also be able to carry 6 as well, thanks to new internal racks.
I mean... if it where me in the 57, I'd be thinking "oh shit, I can't loose our only only plane"
An american pilot said « ooops, my plane is just able to shoot down an Chinese air ballon ».
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Kyiv in 3 days, Kyiv in 3 days! 😂
@@FishandHunt
😂 Who told you about 3 days ? Sleepy Joe & accomplices ? CNN ?
You like to talk about “short operations“ ? Ok, you’re welcome : let’s start with Vietnam war and Afghanistan …
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I'm not American or from a country that's part of NATO but cool story bro.
The USSR was soundly beaten after spending 10 years in Afghanistan in the 80's, losing > 15,000 soldiers and greatly contributing to its total collapse.
You can laugh about past American failures all you want but on day 690 of Putin’s disastrous 10 day 'Special Military Operation' a majority of the world is laughing at the current Russian failure in Ukraine 😂
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I’m not american and but I live in a stupid country member of NATO. America was not « bored » but evict from Afghanistan after 20 years. Evicted by people with vintage Enfields and Kalashnikovs and DIY rockets. Special Operation is the name of the operation, do you want other funny names from US operations ?
Here they are (small part) :
Operation Magic Carpet
Operation Barroom
Operation Mincemeat
Operation Barbarossa
Operation Vittles
Operation Cateshism
Operation Desert Storm
Operation Wrath of God
Operation Rolling Thumber
Operation Mascot
Operation Babylift
Operation Overlord
Etc … Etc …
The end
Have you seen the helmet of the raptor helmet.
funny we have only seen at most like 12 su57s, so I don't think anyone is to worried about it
Russia had already used su 57 in ukraine war & kill longer air to air jets. But you didn't mention that.
I had not been used in Ukrainian airspace. It fired long range missiles from inside Russia territory because Russia is terrified to lose one of the handful of active planes that they have.
The Su-57 is just another one of Russia's bluffs.
Kyiv in 3 days, Kyiv in 3 days! 😂
As for radar cross section, neither you nor anyone on UA-cam knows anything about that. It doesn’t matter that you were a fighter pilot. Fighter pilots know very little about stealth Engineering. In fact they know as much as a high school physics student who browsed the subject on the internet for 2 hours. Everything is classified. The stuff coming out of the Su-57 will not be there in the finished planes. In the more polished planes, they are covered. You either know this and deliberately left it out or you don't even know making you unqualified to discuss the subject. The F22 stealth capabilities have never been tested with capable air defence in real life. Neither has the Su-57. All we know is what is claimed. There's no reason to believe US claims and discount Russia's. If we're to believe both, then the Su-57s will beat the F22s. Until they're both directly involved in a conflict on equal footing, everything is speculation. Any advanced aircraft design Engineer will tell you that stealth is overrated against capable adversaries. Not because stealth in itself is overrated but it's very hard to maintain that stealth and ensure it's stealthy before it leaves the airfield to face the adversary. The pilot will have no idea that he's not as stealthy as he thinks and will be in for a big surprise. Happened in Serbia. Stealth coating has a massive advantage over raw design. It doesn't matter how stealthy an aircraft is designed, it will be picked up on the radar and with enough training and adaptation that particular stealth aircraft becomes toast. In the Ukraine war, Russian air defence struggled against bigger Ukrainian drones with much less metalic materials and almost completely effective against much smaller drones with a classic build. Of course those who actually know about stealth in the US know this and have invested heavily into composite materials and stealth coating and scaled down over Engineering. The benefits of the design alone are real but they are stupendously overrated like you saying "a 1000 times less cross-section". That is just nonsense. Raw figures alone don't show the whole picture but you already know that (as a "fighter pilot")
Love the post... my cousin Ryan was one of the first 4 pilot's specifically and soley trained on the F 22 Raptor coming out of his training... then again, his father, my Uncle was flying the SR-71, so I dont think it was much of a reach for Ryan to follow suit...
I originally had crash and rescue MOS in the US Marine Corps ( due to mothers side of the family's history being solidly entrenched in air combat, beggining with my grandfather in WW2... so, I wanted to be someone who gets them out of the drink, or, goes to fight and extract them ( pilots) from an enemy line situation...
Unfortunately, your recruiter doesn't tell you that when you move up your entry time, your school has to change because, the drop time for my training would have coincided with my October entry into the Marine Corps...
so, one day in June, I call my recruiter about taking my IST... he says, oh, don't worry about it, you couldn't fail it if you tried, and he wasn't lying ( what a joke those are)... then he says " when are you ready to leave"... I'm sitting poolside at a friend's house, some girls over, beer in hand, I say, "whenever"... oh how I wish I could have those words back, and the ones that followed... " how about today"... I'm thinking, fuck it... "sure".... I'm dropped at a hotel thar night, hop a flight to San Diego the following day, actually LAX... and then around 1 AM I'm learning expletives I've never known that could be conjoined and running off a bud, and the rest is just a 4 year history...
Needless to say, I'm still thinking that Crash and Rescue is my MOS, don't remember the #, because, somewhere in that 3 month period, I was made to select what they had available...
So, future advice... if you are the second highest score on the asfab at your meps station, your choice is unlimited... but do not deviate from your entry time, and all recruiters lie through their eyeballs to fill their quotas, because they don't want to go back to their units...
Funniest part, frcactured my skull overseas in training on Okinowa... a couple office personnel come and ask me if I want to be discharged... no negative mark against me, just a simple discharge... I asked why.. they reminded me, one of the other kickers they threw in, because every service was offering me everything. ... being second highest isn't always bad... they allowed me to choose where they could station me... 3 places I have never wanted to visit or live in my life since I was 3 years old... California, anywhere in Asia, and Florida... so, I join a military branch that has 2 of its 3 ( excluding gizmo of course) main bases in two places of the 3 I never wanted to even see...
So I told them, no oversees station, i.e, Okinowa...
So, when they were looking at my file, and I was Ina fugue state from my fractured skull, they ask if I want out, because I shouldn't be here...
I told them " are you serious? In already here... I traveled forward in time for 18 hours on a flight, and have already been here for a month, so, what's the point.. I'm already here right..." ( I'm a fatalist, plus I have a firm belief in God has His reasons)...
So, needless to say, ended up 2531 MOS... but, I got to shoot things and blow stuff up, so I guess there are upsides... The VA is not one of them ( a very long, bitter story and fight for another day)
Thanks for the upload, sorry for the novel...
God bless everyone, be safe out there, and try to be kind...
The part you didn’t cover was how would missiles lock on to target either stealth aircraft. If the missiles can’t target and track either plane then it comes down to a dick waving contest. lol
It is rumored that Russia has put a photonic radar on the Su-57. My understanding is that would make stealth pretty useless.
A big nothing burger. Photonic radar experiences about 50 times the attenuation of normal radar. Ergo, you would need a nuclear power generator on the Su-57 to have any sort of viable range with it.
I’m not sure I agree that the material of the f-22 is less stealthy than the material of the 57. I think the 22 has the stealth shape and the materials just increase stealth whereas the 57 doesn’t have a stealth shape and relies almost entirely on the ram however I’d wager ram to ram alone the raptors have the advantage despite the advantage from the angles and overall shape.
That's pretty much what I've come to understand also. The Chinese and Russian ram are nowhere near what are used in the f-22 and even less so the f-35. But their shapes are generally stealth like.
It’s already a well known fact the 57 is very bad stealth wise, our radars can detect the plane much earlier than the 22 head on because of the very obvious flaw in engine inlet design. The idiotic engine placement on 57 throws all the radar right back out towards the acft scanning it. The 22 intakes hide the engine and absorb all the radar returns in the S shape intake. The Felon is a joke, has very bad reliability problems and is way overrated.
Well the biggest liability for the SU57 is the fact that it's basically a test bed with no ability to even be combat ready anytime in the near future. And that's if they even are able to build anymore😂
And when it comes to the ram, doesn't matter what they have and it doesn't matter what's on the f-22, because Fat Amy will probably blow the su-57 out of the air before it even knows it's in combat. Because we know that the RAM on it is way more advanced then what was on the F-22
Why do you think the Su57 doesn't have the "stealth shape"? If you google "stealth planform alignment" you'll realise thats not true and that the Su57s shape is the result of following those principles, it's why all stealth planes look similar, the only concession they've made is going with a partial S Intake instead of full S intake or DSI for the engines, they are heavily relying on RAM, a radar blocker and soon composite IGV to help minimize the reflections
Completely incorrect statement
I if any of Russia’s claims about the Su57 are true. The reason I think they might not be true is because of Russia’s history with the MIGs.
This is the plane that Iran is working on manufacturing locally in conjunction with Russia
Did he say something like in a beyond visual range fight f-22 will roll up behind you.
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The su57 is way better than i thought
@4:44 what is that on the back of the F-16? anyone know?
Brake flaps.
To reduce speed.
Source: "Flight Simulator X"
Airbrakes, used for speed control.
@@0779risingsun and that is on the horizontal stabilizer?
@@kanifkanif no. Those are located at the two sides of the engine afterburner.
It look like part of the fuselage wing
F22’s new Upgrade incorporates Stealth Fuel Tanks so now it can have them without giving up any stealth
“You should go home now”…the F22 has the deterrence crown, which makes it successful in my opinion.
Remember the panzer king tiger over all domination until the Russian brought in a better tank. And the American tank just too many to knock out. Now the F 22 raptor too expensive to make compared to the Su 57 . history has shown the best doesn’t always come out on top.
You compare smallest radar cross action of f22 to largest on su57
just realized.. you look like Bear Grylls Airforce brother.
😂 I’ll take it
Russia started to use FAR radars long before US, in mig31. so to say that su57 radar 10years behind and wil wag its tail in bvr is something else. There is no such fing as invisible fighter. its all basically about range of detection. both f22 and su57 wil be silent allthe way untill the last moment in bvr aniway. the moment one will turn his radar active is a moment wen Maddogs will fly to him.
How are they 20m long ? Wow . Massive
City block vs. baloon killer
As one F22 , F35 Pilot said. Its not like we are 100 percent invisible, but you have to defeat several systems of the Craft to defeat it. I believe our Pilots Train far more than Russian Pilots. Russia keeps bragging about their High Technological Prowess in Ukraine, and Their Stuff is getting shot down by basic Munitions, lol. They had the World Convinced, until the Ukraine war. Ya gotta Study harder Russian Engineers, ya aint quite caught up to the good ole U.S.A .
Most but not all Americans are extremely bias against anything that is no theres
Maybe so, but I try to look at jets like sports cars…And there’s a reason other countries copy the USA’s jets.
lol you could say that about every country. But only Americans get criticized for it.
can't I say the same about most countries? pride in your country is no new thing, but blind pride isn't healthy. will I like American planes more? most definitely. will I blindly say they're better even if that's not the case? of course not. I look at performance, avionics, missile quantity, weapons systems, pilot integration, etc. not just how I like something. I'd like to say most people do the same, but that's not the case. I will say I've noticed more Russians blindly saying their stuff is better than Americans though. I mean there's a guy in this comment section saying that F-22 are dropping like flies, but not even attempting to explain why
“theirs”
@@MaxAfterburnerusa Come on Max you ought to know better! So the Flanker and Migs are copies of what?? Lets stop the bias and look at the achievements. And failures. BTW did you know of this??? How many F-22 crashed?
F-22 Pilot Safe After Landing Gear Mishap at Eglin | Air ...
The F-22 fleet, which now numbers 182 aircraft, has experienced 32 “Class A” mishaps and 50 “Class B” accidents over the past 21 years. A Class A accident involves a fatality, loss of the aircraft, or more than $2.5 million in damage.
LRAAM 37 is amongst the best air to air missiles in the world. Su57 boasts longest air to air kill in recorded history at 217 km in Ukraine. Impressive stuff
What video game you did that long kill?
@@Don-Coyote-De-Transylvania epic cope
@@amazingamazigh6847 Except Russia always has zero proof of any claims they ever make. Hell with the number of planes they have claimed to have shot down they could have destroyed the Ukrainian air force twice over HAHAHA. 2 years in and they still don't control the skies. What a pathetic display.
I recommend to learn more technical data about the Su-57, it is about 15-20 years more advanced compared to the Craptor which was designed in 90ies. Geez, what an expert, just think about computer technology in 90ies compared past 2010. This gap is evident in favour to the Su-57
True
The F-22 is well over 7x the price of the SU-57. Can a single raptor defeat 7 or 8 SU-57's? I doubt it.
Raptor is so advanced that when he meets Felon, he will develop self-awareness and run away.
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lol nah
Эти самолёты никогда не встретяться, сильно дорого. С500 же способен сбивать невидимые ракеты, так что у F22 нет шансов.
Correction the f22 can fit 6 AMRAAMS in the belly
These things ain't cars or toys they are not something you can fans of…they are made to kill, I don't get why people argue about which is better…if these two go head to head it means it's already too late for the rest of us. And some of you ain't even from Russia or the US so the hell you talking about
I’m Russian and I can confidently say that the Su-57 is a bad aircraft, or at least inferior to actual fifth-gen fighters.
You're right they're not toys and they're not cars, but I can and I will be a fan of the US Air Force technology..
And the reason I'm confident they are better, I have family members in the US Air force. And I'm very proud of what they do and of the equipment they use.
Because I want to know if something does happen, that I have 100% confidence and then the US Air Force ability to take care of them. And put them in the best possible situation to win
The SU-57 doesn't look like it carries its weapons internally like the F-22!
how many kids can they each unlive?
there's only 1 army in the world right now getting the best military experience.....
Такое ощущение что этот товарищ перечитал все рекламные журналы 🤭. И явно не учил радиолокацию! Локатор су-57 лучше установленного на ф-22. И на текущий момент пожалуй лучший в мире. Для истребителя. Хорошие самолёты такие как ф-15 ф-16 выпускают десятками лет и постоянно модернизируют и модифицируют. А не выпускают малой рартией и закрываю производство как ф-22
F22 can carry 6 AIM-120s and 2 AIM-9s internally.