Fighting Stealth | United Kingdom F-35B Lightning Vs Su-27 Flanker | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS
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Day55: F35 vs SU57 BVR and Merge
Hey GS, I'm near to start the pilot course, not for commercial flying, but as a hobby, and most of my friends that did it have flight sims. What setup do you recommend me to have? Cheers from Argentina and keep up your good work
I’d love to see the Su 57 vs the j20
GS got beat up by a girl name Fat Amy
Fly f35 plz
Stealth fighters = terrifying
Meteor missiles = terrifying
Stealth fighter with meteor missiles = death straight up
And they said maths was hard
Plus ASRAAM. 50 mile range maximum Heat seeker.
@@SvenTviking really? I thought it was just basically a British 9X
And if it's doing this with Meteors, just think what it can do with JATM's...
@@quasimondo1933
Sidekick updated F-35 + AIM-260 = Real successor of F-16 aka 120 slinger.
We need to see you fly the f35
It has no actual cockpit from the F-35. Also the F-35 is still heavily classified so it’s just a huge ass guess on how it operates and flies
@@cabriskus4700 it's not like sidewinder cares about realism that much
@@yoamal1187 doesn’t he? It’s not like he’s flying xwings every video lol
@@keeganhenderson24 that’d be pretty funny ngl
@@keeganhenderson24 “CONTROL OF THE SECTOR | Rebel Alliance X-WING VS The Imperial TIE-FIGHTER | Digital Star Wars Simulator | DSWS
"I just need to notch this missile" two seconds before getting blown up is possibly my favorite genre of GS video.
Man the flanker just doesn’t have much luck against American stealth fighters. First an f22 forms up in his rear view and then an f35 kills his awacs before he knows it even shot at him
@@Milkman2199 god when I saw that it was funny as shit 😂. Man was reading the serial number on the missiles he was carrying
With all the crazy sensor systems the F-35 has, it's like other aircraft are fighting in the dark while the F-35 is using night vision goggles. He was likely able to see you the whole fight and knew everything you were doing. XD
The real F-35's infrared 360° camera array and VR display helmet means that it literally is doing just that. The F-35 pilot can see through the bottom of their own aircraft and from far greater distances and with greater accuracy than any previous aircraft. Its AESA radar can lock on dozens of targets simultaneously while also providing EW support and providing high-bandwidth datalinks to other F-35s in the area, up to and including including weapons-grade locks. It's not as manoeuvrable as the F-22 or Flanker, but it's at least as good as an F-16 or F-18, especially since it can carry its weapons internally which greatly reduces drag. In Red Flag exercises and similar, its sensors and networking allow it to routinely rack up 20-1 kill ratios against fourth-gen fighters.
None of that stuff is modeled in the DCS F35, though.
@@mattmcbee7109 Because it would be unfair, which the real thing is meant to be
@@alexv3357 a few years ago Lockheed set up a booth at our local science museum and allowed people to hop in what I assume was a toned down (but still very impressive) F-35 simulator with an adjustable helmet. The whole looking through the bottom of the plane thing was incredibly cool.
Except that the idiot hate his radar on. That completely gives away the fact that there is an enemy jet nearby. If he had gone in radar cold, had an awacs, he could have killed him without the SU27 even knowing there was an enemy plane in the sky.
Great vid as usual GS! The thing that gets me is how dangerous the F35 would theoretically be in groups. You had the advantage in this fight of using the F35's radar to mitigate some of the stealth advantage. If I understand correctly, the networking of the F35 would allow one F35 or other integrated system (like the upgraded AWACS) to provide radar and missile guidance for the whole group, allowing the rest to fight without utilizing their own radar- adding to their stealth. To paraphrase Alan Grant in Jurassic Park: "That's when the attack comes. Not from the front. but from the sides. From the other two Lightnings, you didn't even know were there."
This made me chuckle.
Perfect analogy👍
Such a shame the F35 is the Lightning and not the Raptor 😂
Can’t Raptors do that? Like they can only communicate with other Raptors but they can receive info from other aircraft?
@@beatboxbuggi6884 I think to the new F 15 EX
Now imagine this without the knowledge an F35 was against you.
You detect something but can't confirm or target it. AWACS goes dead. Missiles incoming.....
Basically, the F-35 could basically do whatever it wanted in this scenario and was solidly in control the entire time.
FOR REAL!
against a 4th gen fighter for sure. the f-35 is a beast. it'd be interesting to see how it would compare against another modern day 5th gen fighter once the rest of the world catches up with the tech
@@mikegoddard3417 I somehow doubt any other nation could make a 5th get fighter as good as the US can they are only just prototyping and developing the technology. While the US is already prototyping 6th gen fighters. And as stated many times the f35 is classified so we really don't know how good it is. Just my opinion
@@rayleonardo6021 Good luck developing that once your economy collapses at the end of the month.
@@rayleonardo6021See what happens when you throw a ‘USA iS tHe BeSt’ statement into a discussion? It destroys the conversation because it’s generally a rubbish point of view…but yeah, Hooah America etc.
F-35 may be called Fat Amy but damn is it still lethal as hell if you employ it the way it was designed to.
it's pretty potent in the merge too
It’s maneuverable it doesn’t even deserve that label
She's like a fart in the wind; silent but deadly.
@@cancelanime1507 No it isn't 💀
@@mikeyplayz8438 proof
Stealth + Meteor is no joke
"I'm being sneaky here" - famous last words 😂
"I am being sneaky here" so said he after blowing half of his load blindly.
im really pumped for that block 4 upgrade.. That meteor missile is scary lethal
This is why stealth matters. Doesn’t matter how good your plane can dogfight if you cant make it to the merge
The f35 wasn't made to be a god fighter and I been wanting to see more f35 BVR fights like this. Every video I see of the f35 is a dog fight and it does poorly.
I'm definitely gaining a massive appreciation of how terrifying the F-22 and F-35 actually are vs practically anything else in the air at the moment (with the possible exception of the Chinese response)... If you can't see or lock onto them, you can't shoot them down.
The F-35 cannot currently carry Meteor missiles. 2027 at the very earliest.
An f-35 was almost downed by an s125 in Syria back in 2017. They aren’t as good as you think.
@@ghostfacegrillah7891Evidence?
@@ghostfacegrillah7891but was it?
@@ghostfacegrillah7891 Google: Bekaa Valley turkey shoot. Syria lost 90 planes and 29 SAM sites, Israel had 2 damaged F15. It was fought over the SAM "defenses".
When you maddog’d those four fox-3’s in the general direction of the invisible enemy, it reminded me of an original series Star Trek episode: The Enterprise is stalking a belligerent cloaked(invisible) Romulan ship, and they rapid fire their weapons in a spread towards where they think the cloaked ship is in hopes of scoring a hit.
"Balance of Terror"
I remember that one!
@@SVSky that's it!
F-35 + photon torpedos = dead Klingons
The Meteor did a "Cobra" - 12:19
Missile POVs are perfect, thank you so much
I simply love the design of the f35.
When you consider it actually could have been better…
@@SvenTviking
I don’t see how. Combining stealth, STOVL, and air superiority in one fighter has never been done before.
More F35 content please!
yes! and fly in it this time
@@BobertLee156 I think GS prefers a challenge...
@@porkmeinster f35 vs f22 then
@@porkmeinster he did a good F22 stealth mission a few months ago. It’ll be more challenging doing something similar in an F35.
@@chrisj9700yes this is what I’ve been wanting to see!
Love the F-35 content!
Seems like there is some evidence to suggest that the F-117s may have been pulled from storage to be used in training. Some think they are being used in training events like Red flag to work as the adversary or to mimic the J-20/SU-57s in training. Seems like this shows why it is important to train how to fight stealth jets.
@@unknownuser069 Russia: Guyz we definitely have the best ever stealth fighter and it can kill any other plane, it doesn't matter that there are only like 7 of them.
The US: Hm, lets assign some stealth fighters to training squadrons because we have too many.
@@toasty8599and the F-117 is infinitely more stealthy than a low observable SU-57.
Considering that you are the DCS Tom Cruise in the eyes of us all, i've never seen you look so helpless in a fight as your enemy stealthily goes about his business, turning the screw before the trademark unexpected kill! 😃 Britain has been doing well against you these last few matches, makes a change, so I fully expect to see you back in the Raptor soon for some revenge on Fat Amy and the Typhoon! 🤣
When you got no counter system running, what's the surprise?
I like your optimism of taking your chances with a SU27, against an evident superior F35
Would have thought he'd bring an SU-35 to this fight instead
“What is my purpose?”
“You eat Fox 3s.”
“Oh my god.”
This is actually a great comment made me laugh pretty good.
the scariest thing about the Meteor is its MASSIVE no escape zone
Lightning's are the most dangerous fighter out there. (Besides the F22 but that's purely in a 1v1 I would assume. Unless the raptor gets f35 integration ability) because stealth + world leading missiles + awareness is the deadliest combo
The F-35 is underrated! Fat Amy is Underrated! The Battle Penguin is Underrated! The Panther is Underrated! The Joint Strike Fighter is underrated! The Lightning III is underrated!
Calm down there blud
Yah lightning 3???
The Lightning III can't hold a candle to the Lightning IV.
LOL I wrote Lightning III.
GS drank too much vodka and accidentally gave Fat Amy his number 😂
The arrows you add to identify points of interest are really what makes these vids. Stellar quality as usual.
Between the EOTS and the LPI radar, I would be surprised if the flanker got any RWR alerts
i don't think the F35 radar is even programmed correctly in the simulation given the classified nature of this thing
@@yuchungman It would be pretty much impossible to accurately model the performance of the avionics given we have only been shown small teasers of what it's like.
Also stealth is still *very* primitive in DCS; aircraft have a simple RCS coefficient, and it doesn't matter what angle they're at or what kind of external stores they're carrying, they stay as stealthy as they were before.
I tend to agree... the electro-optical IR system of the flanker is probably modeled too generously and I doubt it could discern a stealth aircraft like the 35 or 22 at the distance in the video. Also, there are other modes that the meteor, and Aim-260 have that are not modeled in the sim. For example I can think of several ways the missile could know where the target is without the use of the 35's radar updates letting it know...ie no rwr warning on the 27's gear... and once active, and locked onto the target, I doubt it is so easily spoofed....but no one is going to release data about other modes, effectiveness, and anti spoofing capability.
Yeah I was thinking the same thing. This scenario was probably very generous... to the Flanker.
@@haedubabaganush Yeah because it's not like we've had Flankers tracking F-35s for real...
Oh wait, yes we have. At longer range. Both with radar AND with EO system.
"I'm a flanker, I can do sneaky stuff!"
Meteor missile: "we've been trying to contact you about your planes extended warr-"
Pop
You can't be sneaky against an F-35, that thing is loaded to the brim with sensors and computers. An underrated, scary opponent.
Who's underrating an F-35? lol
@@chibiemo100 American media
@@mesobean Their sources almost always trace back to RT when talking shit about the F-35.
@@j100j stealth, can do fight, do basically all missions, operate everywhere... hmmm
@@chibiemo100 A lot of people seem to have a vendetta against the F35 even though it's a beast of a plane. Only major issue is cost but it's so much better than anything would be belligerents have that it's not really an issue since you ain't gonna lose many if any at all
GS: The Flanker is no stranger to being sneaky.
F-35B: You think stealth is your friend?
time's I've counted that growling sidewinder has said "we're going to hit the notch" in his videos and has survived: 0
The way the meteor reaquired you right at the last second was kinda funny to me. Like a hockey tendy that lost the puck but finds it again right as it goes 5 hole into the net.
Now imagine fighting against the whole Joint Strike Force.
First time I've seen the F35 on this channel showing its *actual* potential in BVR conditions.
The Russian Airforce won't know what happened if they get into a shooting match with NATO F35s.
I doubt that the export variants have the same stealth and sensor capability as the usaf ones.
Yes they have, the whole point of f35 program was to have exportable variant while keeping 22 as USAF exclusive
Don't worry they won't get into a match with NATO whom has the numbers. Even the USSR didn't get into a match with NATO and then they had the numbers. Also the USSR was truly a near peer opponent unlike its successor.
@@dblezi Agreed.. A full NATO air campaign would destroy the Russian airforces in just a few weeks, at most.
Time for the ultimate VTOL Battle ===>. AV-8B vs F-35B
Its not actually a B variant. Its just in the title cuz the british have it and this was mimicking an british f35 with meteors
….and that’s why the F-35 doesn’t need to be a dogfight champ. I’m sure that it’s more capable in a dogfight than what’s reported, but stealth, range, situational awareness, and lethality make it an awesome warcraft, especially in numbers.
And surprisingly it is a dogfight champion. It's capable of incredible post stall maneuverability, has better engine performance than an F16, and pulls harder than a hornet. It blows every 4th gen jet out of the water in BVR and BFM
The F-35 cannot currently carry Meteor missiles. 2027 at the very earliest.
@@F22Lover how much more if it got the block 5 upgrades
@@nitonono4143 With the new upgrades it won't even be funny. More missiles, more electronic warfare, just better electronics, tons of classified stuff, and eventually the new (hopefully adaptive cycle) engine that gives it better range AND better thrust. That's incredible for BVR and BFM. More time on station and a whole host of new capabilities in a dogfight.
Silly question: when an AWACS gets smoked, is there any hope for the passengers?
I'd really like to see a tacview for this one! Pretty please?
I also love how you tend to take the underdog a lot of the time, like this.
The GB version of the F35 is set for GB munitions. The F35A along with the F22 will soon be able to carry more AIM-120s as well as the AIM-260 when it enters service with some of the upgrades
finally, some more f35 content! Love the great videos, always a pleasure to watch!!!
Another awesome video mate!
Well done and keep up the great work!
Every time I see an AWACS shot down I think, "those poor pilots don't have any ejection seats."
We need more f-35 content
The new Peregrine missiles are going to allow the Lightning and Raptors both to double their fox 3 carrying capacity while maintaining the same range.
They are said to have the capabilities (more or less) of the AIM-120 (even if we do not know which version of it) when it comes to maximum range. However, F-35's are going to need bigger missiles such as AIM-260 or Meteor... in the future, they'll probably carry 4 very long range missiles + 4 Peregrine able to cover short to extended middle range.
All this internally... it would be quite impressive.
That would be load for f22, 35 can carry 4 120s so it would be 2+4
@@Asghaad F-35 should soon get a sidekick rack ... allowing the aircraft to carry up to 6 AIM-120 internally
@@Asghaad A and C variant can carry 6 aim120 with sidekick upgrades, it's an additional 2 aim120 hanging on the bay door.
@@artiefakt4402 raytheon said it's 65-100km
I'd love to see this without AWACS to see how differently it goes
A flanker vs an f-35 with no AWACS either side just means the flanker dies quicker cuz the F-35 won’t be shooting the HVAA first.
DO RAFALE VS SU57 PLEASE !
I'm in early, almost as early as GS saying he thinks he dodged a missile
Ooooooo...shot fired :)
Seeing as how none of the NATO adversary countries have anything even remotely close to NATO stealth capabilities, I believe it will be a hell of a long time before we need to worry about maintaining Air Superiority in any of the conflicts that arise over the next 15-20yrs.
Well the Russians say there's no such thing as true stealth. That, if it's in the air, they can see it. The real question is - from how far away? Certainly the SU-57 was drawn up with this as it's primary design principle. This might not be hyperbole as a Russian SAM did shoot down a F-117 Nighthawk in Serbia way back in 1999. I've heard rumors they've developed systems which can track the air disturbances a plane makes and thus target the intruder even if they can't identify the plane itself (there's been similar talk about much the same being researched to track deep running submarines). If true, and we know the Russians are very good at developing weapons technology, then the counter to stealth may already be developed and is awaiting deployment at the critical moment.
Do you even know what exactly the Russians came up with stealth? As a novice radio engineer, I must say that stealth is not invisibility, it's like a smooth surface that reflects light, but instead of light, radio waves, but the difference is that radio waves with a shift to longer wavelengths will simply be absorbed by the aircraft, and from aircraft with emitters of this wavelength just don't hide
Literarily knew its going to end this way...good vid
Keep uploading growling love your vids they are super helpful when playing
Germany also wants to implement the Meteor into the F-35s
THANK U SO MUCH FOR DOING F-35
Today was my first day on dcs.. I just wanna show respect to how good you are 💯
Definitely want to see you do some sneaky BVR f35 fights
I'd be curious if you could go purely electro-optical in mountainous terrain and hope to get lucky, hoping that you drop off his sensors. Maybe low, slow, and EO, is the best chance at making him lose situational awareness.
Drop off the sight of F35 that has the most advanced AESA radar to date AND its own IRST system that is also among the best in class and about 2 decades more modern than anything russians have... Good luck with that...
Bvr against F35s and F22s is like a horror movie.
Trying to close distance may be even scarier... remember that one time GS looked in a mirror ?
The F-35 cannot currently carry Meteor missiles. 2027 at the very earliest.
@@StromBugSlayer they can carry AMRAAMs I believe though
You have some of the most entertaining DCS content. I love it.
Finally a video of the F-35, love that thing
Battle Penguin + Meteor = terrifying
Don’t know what you were thinkin, bud. You’re the best virtual Pilot I’ve ever seen, but going up against the F-35 in a SU-27?… yeah.. even with an EWR system that isn’t going to end well. Much like when you attempted to fight the F-22 in the same Sukhoi as well.. you just cannot fight what you can’t see, and you can’t defend against what you don’t know is coming. Just be glad he didn’t slide up and fly formation on your wing like the F-22 did.
That fire ball was amazing😮🙂
Pretty hard to punch-out from tree-top level! RIP, GS!😂🔥🙌
First video that starts with a sponsor? Glad you're growing!
At least you recognized her position/ direction correctly !!
Always good to see a defeat, instead of your standard expected victory replay. Enjoyed!
I'd have to say that's a great combination unless your facing it. Never really locked
Moar F35 with GS flying! Lovin’ it.😅
Su-27 is such a sexy plane… So clean and purposeful looking…
10:36 "I think AWACS is gone." LOL!
What's interesting to me, is the awacs getting hit without the s300s even engaging. Awacs is a serious strategic asset.
Come to think of it... ive never seen anyone fly the F35 in DCS.. also that wide touch screen cockpit... id love to see u make a few videos flying the F35
Nothing can beat a F35 and F22 ....in a long range air to air battle
Just exactly how many meteor missiles did the F-35B have ? A major limitation behind the JSF is that it can only carry 4 medium/long range air-to-air missiles in it's internal weapons bay. Using any external pylons/hardpoints will compromise it's low observability aspect ...
This f35 had 4 meteors
F35i's flew circles around S300s in Iran and US did in Syria
Your AWACS absolutely Tokyo drifted into that Meteor missile.
Wow technology & your creativity with it. 👍
Wasn't expecting this to end up differently. Given all the advantages the F-35 had, maybe you should have started in hills while he should've started over flat terrain.
He already stacked the scenario by giving himself awacs (which F35 didnt need nor made any use of) covered by SAMs (again useless for the 35) and loaded with long range heatseekers.
Finally! Score one for Fat Amy! I suspect this video is what the near to mid future will look like.
This BVR content is great. It’s more fun to watch than dogfights.
No tac view? me sad, I wanted to know what the F-35 did when you lost him
Is it possible in DCS for Fat Amy to do Wild Waesle? If so can we see that vs a Viper? Just to see the difference between stealth vs non-stealth on a Wild Weasle mission? 👀
Smoooooooked!! Good video my friend.
As a brit, happy to be represented 👍
6:32 - Hoping to harass the F-35, GS launches 4x R7s into The Blue Yonder...
7:22 - GS ends up killing 3 friendly MIG-29s and an Aeroflot TU-154 with a plane load of orphans on board.
Stealth... is the key.
Seems like putting the Meteor missile in the F35 is a real game changer.
That went about as expected! 😂
“The ground was supposed to confuse his targeting system” - Growling
I love this line 😂
Odd that you got no RWR....were the Meteors in TWS till just before impact?
Great fight
Dig it! Try that again but go balls out towards his awacs/support.
I really want to see the load out of that F-35. I know it can carry the Meteor internally but that looked like unrealistically high number of Meteors carried internally.
F-35 has a low intercept radar that’s very hard for RWR to pick up on. F-35 has the best Electro optical of any fighter in the world. It can also use its RWR to gain a weapons lock and data link guild the missile onto its targets without the use of radar.
Those meteors are freaking scary man
The meteor missile seems to be the best air to air missile in DCS.
Idk if i just havent noticed it before but this is the second video in a row where GS did an aileron roll for no reason and im totally here for it because even though im afraid if heights.. you put me in a multi million dollar fighter jet you bet your sweet ass im doing a superfluous roll at 30k ft. Hell yeah brother.
This is the Lightning, imagine this thing sitting silently on data-link while an F-15 with the 12 AIM-260's comes in a lets loose on anyone in its way.
Love to see tacview on this one