Idk of its neatly countered. The military is meant to stand together in e wry thing. Trust is absolutely necessary. I wouldn’t want to serve beside two men that murdered one of their own brothers. That’s why we are obligated to disobey unlawful orders.
True marines would help the weak, not punish. That’s why they were found “Unbecoming Marines”. They followed an unlawful order that any moron would know is wrong.
Doctor was the real culprit. A Marine coming to him with complaints that fall within the classic signs of a heart condition, and he pencil-whips the eval. Good job, Doc.
True. Though it may have been the result of the commanding Colonel's ethics and command-style which lead to the doctor dismissing the symptoms. Of course in the end both are equally to blame. The Colonel for ordering the Code Red and the Doctor for ignoring the symptoms.
Chronologically, the doctor's misdiagnosis was the start of it all, but in terms of gravity of the crime, Jessup's was worse: the doctor's mistake can be adequately attributed to his incompetence but Jessup made the bad call by knowingly violating an order from his superiors. While he probably wouldn't have done it if he knew Santiago was ill (to give Jessup the benefit of the doubt, and also we know he wouldn't risk any incident to jeopardize his promotion to general, which btw is also why he ordered the CR in the first place - to prevent Santiago informing the NSA about the base), his doomed decision was more proactively malicious and self-serving in intent than that of the doctor's.
@@jw1731 I have a little more unique perspective on this, given that I was damn near literally in Santiago's boots. Back in the mid 00s while I was still active duty, I was going through multiple PFT failures. My command staff did everything to push me into passing, I was on mandatory workout schedules, random pick up and go training, just about everything they could throw at me. In '08, I fell out during a squadron run, to the point that the nurse station thought I was crashing, and had me rushed to the local ER. Fortunately, the on call cardiologist was better at his job and ordered further tests that got a major heart condition diagnosed (HOCM). Rather than being pushed harder to pass the run, I was placed on run restriction and changed to a walking test, which I was able to pass. Though this wound up getting me disqualified from continued active service. The major problems in this movie mirrored my own, in that the command culture failed to have one of their troops presenting serious medical symptoms properly evaluated. This was furthered when the doctor failed to do his job, taking the easy route of placing the troop on restriction without doing the necessary evals. To be fair, heart conditions like this aren't common in the military... even my VA med center cardiology group comments how they never see anyone with this particular condition. But not doing so much as a stress test? That was a serious lapse that otherwise could have saved the private's life. So yeah, command culture played a big role in the death, but that doctor was flat out derelict in his duty. That kind of negligence should have lost him his license, if not had him facing charges right alongside Jessup and Kendrick.
Kevin Pollock, a career standup comedian with very little experience in dramatic acting roles, and Christopher Guest, best known for playing the clueless lead guitarist Nigel Tufnel for "This is Spinal Tap" as well as also being a comedy writer and actor, were both excellent and underrated in their respective characters. Rob Reiner gave them both heavy lifting to perform and they knocked it out of the ballpark.
"Commander, is it possible for a person to have an affliction, some sort of condition...? Don't shake your head. I'm not done yet. Wait till you hear the whole question so you understand."
“I have to wear the dress whites? You were serious about that, you snotty little brat!” LMAO. The difference between a Brooklyn lawyer and a Navy lawyer!
@@gorillachilla Your comment combines a line from “My Cousin Vinny” with a scene from “A Few Good Men.” There’s no “commander” in “My Cousin Vinny” but I get your meaning. It combines ideas from two different films to create a humorous thought. I was being far more literal and more serious.
I love this scene in so many ways. It highlights how the doctor (however qualified he thinks he is) fucked up and sent a sick kid back into the line of duty, and tried to cover it up because of his own ego.
Unfortunately, some doctors definitely display this type of ego when they are put in the line of fire with questioning. No human knows everything and everyone can make a mistake. But of course, it is tough to admit a mistake in open court, doctor or not. We all love our reputations as humans.
@@sammytoejr1069 I would rather you just do better on your PT and be on your way, or I suggest you PICK UP AN USAIN BOLT PROGRAM and stand at the start line. Either way, I don't give a damn what speed you think you can reach!
I love Sam and Jo's differing opinion on what Dawson and Downey did. In a sense they are both right. Jo was right in her admiration of men like Dawson and Downey; they exhibit a great sacrificial bravery to defend people they don't know. But Sam was right cuz in reality, for all that bullshit about honor and unity, all they did was torment and ultimately kill a weaker individual and then they tried to cover it up by saying it was for the greater good. A brilliant scene.
@@FallenAngel53 you mean weak....and weak, you mean... following orders? It's very obvious that you've never served at all, especially in a extreme, tight nit infantry unit.
@@ucfkid67 There is a very good reason that many of us, outside the time period of the draft, have chosen not to become members of the military. Because if I'm working a job in the private sector and my boss orders me to perform a task which is morally reprehensible, I have the freedom to quit and look for another job. But if you do that as a member of the military, you're called AWOL and wind up imprisoned. BTW, it's ironic that you criticized Ally Bamma's incorrect spelling of the word "weak" and then demonstrate that you don't know how to spell "knit."
After all these years, this scene highlights what always sticks with me about this film: Of all the powerhouse lines and huge stars this movie has, in the end, who was right?: Kevin Pollak's Lt. Weinberg. In the end, the fact remains that, order or no, they tortured and tormented a weaker kid.
Facts, his statement had far more gravity than her rebuttal. “They stand on a wall and say nothing will hurt you tonight”... unless you can’t run fast enough then we’ll kill you. They pretend to defend the weak and then kill the weak. I’m a current active duty marine and this is not how the corps is at all. But I’m totally on weinburgs side
@@tyc4587 It's a bit odd that she uses the same rebuttal as Colonel Jessup - I am the father, I provide and the wife and kids shouldn't question how I provide it, whether I do honest work or commit crime. I guess the corps used to be like that - same in the UK with Deepcut - but things have changed. But as a service member, do you get people thanking you for your service and blindly agreeing with everything you say and do without questioning you like everybody else? Maybe I watch too much Fox News but there is a point at which you think "I can't do what they do, but I'm glad they're there when we need them, no matter how they do it, because it's difficult".
That’s exactly why they were dishonorably discharged for Unbecoming Marines. True Marines fight for the weak. Besides, they followed an unlawful order.
@@tyc4587 the movie included her line because imagine the complaints against the film for being political or anti troop if they just had pollacks line. it's a great movie but really full of 90s patriotic drivel
I love how everyone (judge included)was so willing to accept what amounts to speculation with no proof. Are we to believe that those two airheads managed to find an undetectable poison to off Santiago with? Still this scene is awesome!! Tom Cruise nailed it!!
The doctor is an expert, and Kaffee’s entire line of questioning was to undermine that fact. Jo made a good play in objecting to his testimony to show he’s not a criminologist, but, as Sam pointed out, CONTINUING to do so made the defense look weak in the face of the doctor’s testimony and his expertise being reiterated by the prosecution and the Judge was the last thing the jury heard before the end of the hearing.
5:50 I like the little things in this scene, like how Cruise sits at the table thinking about what happened, and he shoves the glass out of the way so he can cross his hands, and then he turns his head to listen to the conversation.
The way Tom in this movie was setting people up for multiple traps to fall in was nothing less than genius. This movie should be taught within Harvard Law School First Tom object to the Doctor saying Santiago was poison before he can give his theory why he believes this by Tom successfully trying to say the doctor credentials are lacking in that field to make that call. Knowing after the Judge was still going to let the Doctor say his theory anyway. Then Tom cross-examining asking the Doctor is there any disease that can get pass a routine medical exam that could cause the same death as this suppose possible poison theory. The Doctor said yes. Tom ask him to name them. The Doctor does, but said there would be symptoms. Tom said what symptoms, but before the Doctor can answer Tom named 3 symptoms. The Doctor said yes to all 3. Then Tom gave him the routine medical exam he gave Santiago to read out loud all 3 symptoms he diagnose Santiago with. Which is all the symptoms the Doctor on record said yes could've cause Santiago death if he had a coronary disease. Lastly after the Doctor still stick to his guns that he believes Santiago was poison. Tom makes it look like the Doctor had a investing interest in wanting it to be poison because he might look bad passing someone through his routine examination with a disease basically making the Doctor testimony irrelevant to a jury until Demi scoop in with her B.S after the prosecutor had to dive in to build the Doctor resume back up. Just Great Lawyering (I got that from It Always Sunny In Philadelphia). Let not forget getting Colonel Jack because of his Big Ego to fall for his own "We follow orders or people die" quote as a trap because he didn't want to say or make it look like people disregarded his orders.
@@mangacomicvisionarygenius9612 I thought it was probably one of the finer examples of Danny’s skill as an attorney when it came to cross examining doctor stone.
I was a submarine torpedoman/weapons instructor from 2005-2014, stationed at Pearl Harbor. While on shore duty, I had to be a brig escort for some people. I got to watch how JAG officers and lawyers operate. It’s a pretty wild sight. Now that I’m a cop, I can see how lawyers pull tricks to save their client/protect the prosecutions case. Wild shit all around.
I love how Kevin Bacon looks over at the defense at 4:31 as he reiterates the point that the doctor is an expert professional in his field and then proceeds to continue questioning the doctor about whether or not Santiago was poisoned. He knows he’s twisting the knife in their backs and he’s absolutely loving it lol!
He is so good in this scene. One of the least appreciated supporting actors in so many movies he is in. He always leaves a mark and never seems to be the main hero. Awesome. With Bacon please. @@brandondaniels9471
I admit Ive watched this movie hundreds of times and finally had an epiphany when it dawned on me Dr. Stone IS Count Rugen from the Princess Bride!!!!!!
All these years later... *STILL* excellent, compelling, insightful writing. Sure, maybe some of the 'outside the court' scenes are pretty campy and ridiculous, but all of the philosophical quips, points, beats, reflection and more?! Awesome.
After Spinal Tap broke up, Nigel Tufnel got his act together, went to medical school, joined the navy and became a testimonial expert witness in the case revolving around Pvt Willy Santiago's death. Amazing!
@@mangacomicvisionarygenius9612, well he risked perjury because accusing a high rank colonel of breaking military rules and policies, especially when the colonel stated he didn't break the code red rules, can land the lawyer in jail and ban him from ever practicing law again.
@TheRuffington I disagree. Far too often, people speak in patriotic platitudes with no real connection to what they are saying. Pollack's character, we can reasonably infer, has a genuine connection to what he is saying. Maybe if we saw a later scene about someone Moore's character knew that was killed while serving, it would create that connection and even a point both character's could appreciate. But they didn't, so it falls flat for me. Maybe I'm somewhat biased because I hear people say things like Moore said, but all too often their actions don't match their words.
I think the takeaway is that human beings are complex, and different people join the military or any organization for different reasons: some for duty and altruistic reasons and some just like to 'blow s*** up' (to borrow a line from another Demi Moore movie, haha). While they are both right and biased in their own ways, I do agree it would be more interesting if the film later showed where she was coming from - maybe she's from a military family and she has more of a positive association with it, whereas perhaps Sam, like Danny, did not come from a military background and has a more cynical and pragmatic attitude toward his career in the JAG corps.
Pollak's character is just looking at it from a "common-sense" point of view. He knows Santiago was severly persecuted for not being up to par with the rest of the marines, and doesn't condone using violence to resolve it, even if Dawson and Downey didn't intend to cause any physical harm to Santiago, but just to shave his head, and they were unaware of his undiagnosed medical condition, their actions were still overt and unethical and did result in Santiago dying.
@TheRuffington torturing someone is not protecting borders. Power hungry shitstains can justify anything. If someone is not a good athlete dismiss them from program Don't kill them to up your own career. If army men are just hordes of zombie killing Machine,I really pity them
It’s often overlooked that LT JG Caffy is one rank lower than LT Weinberg and 2 ranks lower than Demi’s character. Yet he’s the lead counsel and a true leader - so leads them with full confidence
@@officialzacadammorrison navy rank is different from the Army and Marine Corp. in the Navy, an O-3 is Lieutenant. An O-1. Coffey is Lieutenant Junior Grade which is an 0-2 in the Navy. Yes Kevin Bacon’s character is a Marine captain (an O-3) but they might be separated by as little as a year, meaning there was an overlap period when both of them were O-2s and Kevin Bacon’s character pinned O-3 sooner. The path to O-3 is simply time in service. After that, it’s purely performance based. Often O-2s and O-3s that are so close in time in service are often Buddy Buddy and don’t give a shit about rank, unless it comes to a head on the job. My buddies who were a year ahead of me didn’t like me calling them Sir cause they knew I was going to pin on Captain soon anyway.
@@youtubecommenter37 Navy rank is slightly faster. Got ya. Same same here in Singapore. A new Lieutenant in the Singapore Civil Defence force is considered LTA even though it's 2LT. Our army, a new Lieutenant is 2LT. and then a year later, will be promoted to LTA. Definitely agree with you that it's more on time and it's not really that far off. z@c+
Caffey is also the best litigator amongst them. Wienberg and Galloway both acknowledge this in the film. Weinberg says it when caffey is drunk and Weinberg says caffey is a better lawyer than his father. And Galloway also tells caffey “he is an excellent lawyer” when they are eating seafood out to dinner.
Caffey should have questioned the "undetectable poison" claim more. He should have asked things like "what kind of 'untedectable poison' would junior enlisted men have access too in Cuba?" And "How would two low ranking infantrymen know anything about what poisons are undetectable?"
Yeah, like most people I love this film, but as an attorney I see so many problems (but not as many as, say, Philadelphia, which is?awful from a legal standpoint). You are correct, lots of questions like yours left on the table. Also, I sat there wondering "where's Caffey's expert witness, especiallysincexwe know there was no poison on the rag?" And, the ending where they are acquitted but dishonorably discharged. That was a logically inconsistent, not to mention, improper verdict given Jessup's admissions. The jury thought their fellow Marines should have refused a direct order? I realize that the judge throwing it out would have negated the last scene where Dawson says they HAD done somethingwrong, but the judge reversing the jury on that point would have been proper. And no mention of appealing?
@@gheller2261 Any real life good lawyer would have gotten the murder charges thrown out after Dr. Stone's testimony. With no evidence of poison on the rag, and now with it clearly established that it was possible something other than poison killed Santiago, the prosecution is left with no evidence whatsoever that there was intent to kill. Based on that, Caffey should have asked for (and gotten) the judge to dismiss the murder charges. Murder charges require intent. Also I too found the ending frustrating, since the two marines ended up getting convicted of a non-existent charge. "Conduct unbecoming a marine" does not exist in real life. It was disappointing that after so much attention to detail as to how the real military works, the two marines ended up being a convicted of a totally fictional charge.
@@TheStapleGunKid Thanks. I did not know that the conduct unbecoming is not a real charge under the code of military justice. I am not a criminal lawyer, but I am not sure you are correct that all degrees of murder require intent and it certainly depends on the jurisdiction. Certainly, after the prosecution rested, Kaffee should have sought dismissal of the murder charges based on the fact that no reasonable jury could conclude that there was poison on the rag. I saw the play on Broadway around 1989-90. Kaffee was supposed to have been played by Tom Hulce (Animal House, Amadeus), but we got the understudy, an unknown actor named Bradley Whitford,. Ron Perlman played Jessep, Clark Gregg as Jack Ross, and Robert Hogan as Markinson. I think Megan Gallagher, who was on China Beach, was Jo. Whitford did not disappoint and I followed him from then on.
@@gheller2261 There is a charge called "conduct unbecoming an officer", but that obviously doesn't apply to enlisted men. Conduct unbecoming a marine simply does not exist in the UCMJ What's really interesting is that the movie and play are based on the real life incident of a marine named David Cox. If you are not familiar with his case, you should look it up some time.
@@TheStapleGunKid Yes, I am aware of the case. I think Sorkin said that his sister told him about it, he looked into it and thought it was so interesting that he created a fictionalized version.
That doctor was just saving his own ass -- look at that fear in his eyes at 3:32 when Kaffee confronts him about Santiago's undiagnosed heart condition. He has a lot to lose admitting that fatal mistake.
If you read Sorkin's stage script, the doctor is ordered to make all this go away and to falsify records. It's not in the movie, which is better as you don't know what he really knows
This scene proves one other thing, Kiefer Sutherlands character played a huge role in this. Acting in concert. That’s where the implied orders originally came from. BTW, JT Walsh didn’t use a chrome plated .45 to blow his head off, that was a chrome Beretta 92 9mm.
Strange argument to give in favor of people who are on trial for murdering someone who was supposed to be on their own side. Basically, her argument boils down to "...but they're nice to ME."
@@YourXavier apparently you didn't get the movie. Equally obvious that you never served in any branch of the U.S. armed forces...or even the Boy Scouts for that matter.
@@michaelwarren7962 Equally obvious that you're not addressing what I actually said, but have instead resorted to adolescent chest-thumping. If the reason you respect soldiers is because they protect you from harm, then why doesn't it undermine that respect when they harm innocent people?
@@YourXavier let me dumb this down for you: Code Red. They followed a fucking order. The code was not to kill him, yet he died in the process. Thus, no conviction for murder. To convict one of murder, there must be intent. They followed the platoon commanders order. That's how the dice rolls in the Corp.
@@michaelwarren7962 Yes, they followed orders. They're not on that wall because they're nice people. They're not on the wall in order to protect you at all. That's incidental. They're on the wall because they were ordered to be and if they were ever ordered to beat the shit out of you instead, they would. I don't see why that deserves respect.
On cross I would have asked the doctor to list the "dozen" undetectable chemicals that might have caused the condition and then, since apparently wild speculation is allowed in this court, to tell the court how two low-ranked enlisted men would have been able to procure such chemicals in Guantanamo.
Always thought Jo’s retort at the end was moronic since those guys ended up hurting someone who didn’t deserve it. Kind of the essence of evil whether it’s an order or not.
"Lord knows if you put a man with a serious coronary condition on duty and that man dies you would have a lot to answer for" 3:31: "Lick my love pump".
Sam was right, they bullied Santiago. Santiago witnessed Dawson firing his M-16A2 into Cuban territory, and told a Senator he was writing a letter to that, if he helped arrange a transfer off the base, he would reveal information about that fence line shooting incident. Dawson knew Santiago witnessed him firing his weapon, knew Santiago was writing a letter to a Senator and that he might rat him out, sure sounds like Dawson had motive.
@@stvdagger8074 Not really. Not more. The minute people cross the line and just say they were told and that is ok....then the worst will happen. It has been happening again. In this country. I walked down Front street and came up to help a Jew beaten in the street. He was bloodied and beaten by the left. Sad. And accepted by our government. All in the last month. Sad.
@@zippyzipster46 zero percent chance it was leftists who beat up that jew. It is unfortunate you would assume that because the entire rest of your comments seem to suggest that you otherwise understand the issues with how our society not only tolerates but expects people to simply "follow orders" unquestioningly.
@@alcoholic1638 I can tell you the left winged pro-Palestinian hate speech in this country has hit a fever pitch. I have seen hate crimes by the left against synogogues. Same as the red flag burning of churches in my home state. The left winged media ran when the truth came out.
There is a technical error in what Dr. Stone said. Oxygen doesn't burn. It is needed for other things to burn. Cells normally burn sugar, fat, and protein for energy. I think what the doctor meant to say was lactic acidosis occurs when the muscles and other cells in the body burn sugar in a shortage of oxygen.
I didn't know junior Os can talk like that to their seniors. Also why isn't she the Lead of the Defense? She also acts like she's the most junior on the team.
Except for that poor guy though Demi... They didn't stood on a wall and protect him, instead they ambushed him when he was asleep and killed him like fucking cowards. Someone DID hurt him that night, and it was them! Apparently he wasn't worth protecting, according to this logic.
The beautiful part about the ending though is that all three lawyers had their points proven in the end. They were declared not guilty for murder and conspiracy to commit murder, which is what Danny and Jo were primarily fighting for. However, they WERE declared guilty for conduct unbecoming a Marine because, as Lt. Weinberg pointed out, they shouldn't have targeted a weaker man. One of the men even admits in the end: "We were supposed to protect Willie."
@@silverstarlightproductions1292 They didnt target him. Jessup and Kendrik did. What were Dawson and Downey supposed to do after receiving the order? Try to imagine you are a PFC at Guantanamo under Jessups command. You get an order for a code red... basically some hazing that you have no reason to believe will result in permanent harm. Are you reeeeealy going to say "Jeez Colonel Jessup/Lt Kendrick... that order sounds illegal to me... I dont think I will comply." Riiiiight.
@@paulgilbert2506 To be honest, most won't be able to stand up to that level of authority with their rank; However, you are taught that you are to follow lawful orders and ask for clarification about suspected unlawful orders in which you can disobey if you have absolute evidence that their order is unlawful. Realistically though, fear of repercussion will often times prevent good men from questioning a circumstance like this.
"My expert is in an expert medical witness, and in this courtroom it is not considered an opinion" "Where's your base?" "I don't know" "You don't know where your base is?" "I don't know, do I?" "You don't know where you left your base?"
Christopher Guest! Nigel Tufnel from Spinal Tap doing a great job for the director Rob Reiner, who directed both films. Almost didn’t recognize him with the short hair and American accent.
Any new immigrants to the United States ought to study this film and know it inside out. If they can comprehend it and absorb all the vocab and articulation skills portrayed in this film, they don't need any other English classes.
I think the biggest issue with the defense is that Jo isn't a lawyer. Is it common for Internal Affairs to sit on a defense counsel or as the prosecution? Or would they be called in as witnesses?
Yes, she is a lawyer. She was assigned to Internal Affairs because JAG wasn’t happy with the inordinate amount of time she took disposing of the cases she was assigned.
As a trial lawyer, what I find more problematic with this film, is that Caffey could concentrate on work whilst being 20 hours a day besides prime Demi Moore.
The doctor interrogation is actually the biggest plot hole in the entire film. Kaffee proves that the cause of Santiago's death being an undiagnosed heart disease is far more likely that it being some poison. In real life, that would have been enough to stop the trial there and then, since it completely destroys the government's case to its core, and the investigation would have had to start from scratch. But you know... the rest of the script is so freaking good that I'm more than willing to give this one a pass.
@TheStapleGunKid very true, i completely negated that essential fact. yes they did indeed call an ambulance in the hopes of saving Private Santiago's life, but at the same time they did indeed weed out and torment a weaker inidividual solely because they were acting on orders. However, they are obviously innocent of Willie's murder.
Wait, what? Lactic acidosis doesnt cause lungs to bleed...Its a good indicator of tissue death but to lack of oxygen, but wtf is the lung bleeding bs? I love hollywood writing
@@gonzaloorivevilla3329 Not at all! He allowed himself to be coerced into stating it was poison when he knew full well that it wasn’t. He lied on the pathology report
Lactic acid is not a result of cells burning sugar instead of oxygen. The cells burn sugar constantly. Lactic acid is produced when the cells burn sugar in the absence of oxygen, or anaerobic metabolism.
"I'm cool with torture and murder of an innocent person because they 'stand on a wall.'" Jesus. The self-importance of some of these characters is staggering. I suppose if I lived through the Cuban missile crisis I might feel differently, but I grew up during the 80's/90's and post-Cold War Cuba didn't feel like much of a threat to me in 1992. (Not to denigrate the service of the folks who were stationed there in the 90's.) It just seems like the treatment of Santiago was especially extreme given the Marines in Cuba were no longer protecting us from nuclear war. (If I correctly understand the geopolitical situation following the collapse of the USSR.) I love this movie but wouldn't it make more sense to set it in the 60's? The stakes would be much higher.
I freaking love the judge in this movie. He’s completely fair and balanced and takes no shit from anyone
Kevin Pollak's speeches about "strenuously object" and "they picked on a weaker kid" are the two most underrated speeches in this movie.
I agree but I also liked Jo's response why she likes them so much. I dont know if I'd want one of my co lawyers disliking the clients.
But Jo neatly counters it.
Idk of its neatly countered. The military is meant to stand together in e wry thing. Trust is absolutely necessary. I wouldn’t want to serve beside two men that murdered one of their own brothers. That’s why we are obligated to disobey unlawful orders.
True marines would help the weak, not punish. That’s why they were found “Unbecoming Marines”. They followed an unlawful order that any moron would know is wrong.
You have know idea how right you are my friend.
Marines trash, and yes kill, any members that don't live up to their Diabolical and Cruel standards.
Doctor was the real culprit. A Marine coming to him with complaints that fall within the classic signs of a heart condition, and he pencil-whips the eval. Good job, Doc.
True. Though it may have been the result of the commanding Colonel's ethics and command-style which lead to the doctor dismissing the symptoms. Of course in the end both are equally to blame. The Colonel for ordering the Code Red and the Doctor for ignoring the symptoms.
All Rise
He had to make his quota.
Chronologically, the doctor's misdiagnosis was the start of it all, but in terms of gravity of the crime, Jessup's was worse: the doctor's mistake can be adequately attributed to his incompetence but Jessup made the bad call by knowingly violating an order from his superiors. While he probably wouldn't have done it if he knew Santiago was ill (to give Jessup the benefit of the doubt, and also we know he wouldn't risk any incident to jeopardize his promotion to general, which btw is also why he ordered the CR in the first place - to prevent Santiago informing the NSA about the base), his doomed decision was more proactively malicious and self-serving in intent than that of the doctor's.
@@jw1731 I have a little more unique perspective on this, given that I was damn near literally in Santiago's boots. Back in the mid 00s while I was still active duty, I was going through multiple PFT failures. My command staff did everything to push me into passing, I was on mandatory workout schedules, random pick up and go training, just about everything they could throw at me. In '08, I fell out during a squadron run, to the point that the nurse station thought I was crashing, and had me rushed to the local ER. Fortunately, the on call cardiologist was better at his job and ordered further tests that got a major heart condition diagnosed (HOCM). Rather than being pushed harder to pass the run, I was placed on run restriction and changed to a walking test, which I was able to pass. Though this wound up getting me disqualified from continued active service.
The major problems in this movie mirrored my own, in that the command culture failed to have one of their troops presenting serious medical symptoms properly evaluated. This was furthered when the doctor failed to do his job, taking the easy route of placing the troop on restriction without doing the necessary evals. To be fair, heart conditions like this aren't common in the military... even my VA med center cardiology group comments how they never see anyone with this particular condition. But not doing so much as a stress test? That was a serious lapse that otherwise could have saved the private's life.
So yeah, command culture played a big role in the death, but that doctor was flat out derelict in his duty. That kind of negligence should have lost him his license, if not had him facing charges right alongside Jessup and Kendrick.
I strenuously liked this scene
lol. I see what you did. "Is that how jokes become funny?!? You add strenuously?!?" - Lt. Weinberg
“You strenuously liked it..? Is that how it works? .. hm?”
Kevin Pollock, a career standup comedian with very little experience in dramatic acting roles, and Christopher Guest, best known for playing the clueless lead guitarist Nigel Tufnel for "This is Spinal Tap" as well as also being a comedy writer and actor, were both excellent and underrated in their respective characters. Rob Reiner gave them both heavy lifting to perform and they knocked it out of the ballpark.
No fuckin way! I never noticed that shit until you mentioned it! It's impossible to dust for vomit, as you well know.
"Commander, is it possible for a person to have an affliction, some sort of condition...? Don't shake your head. I'm not done yet. Wait till you hear the whole question so you understand."
“I have to wear the dress whites? You were serious about that, you snotty little brat!” LMAO. The difference between a Brooklyn lawyer and a Navy lawyer!
Reminds me of “My Cousin Vinny.”
@@larrytruelove7112 it is !!
@@gorillachilla
Your comment combines a line from “My Cousin Vinny” with a scene from “A Few Good Men.” There’s no “commander” in “My Cousin Vinny” but I get your meaning. It combines ideas from two different films to create a humorous thought. I was being far more literal and more serious.
"You want answers!?" "I WANT THE YUTES!" "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE YUTES!" "The whaaat?"
It still stands as an outstanding film.
Even though rob reiner is an insufferable leftist cockend, yes.
I love this scene in so many ways. It highlights how the doctor (however qualified he thinks he is) fucked up and sent a sick kid back into the line of duty, and tried to cover it up because of his own ego.
Unfortunately, some doctors definitely display this type of ego when they are put in the line of fire with questioning. No human knows everything and everyone can make a mistake. But of course, it is tough to admit a mistake in open court, doctor or not. We all love our reputations as humans.
Ego? Or trying to not get assblasted? It's not just a blow to his ego he would suffer if the truth comes out is what I'm saying.
"Who's going to run very fast?!" You?!.... "You, Lt. Weinberg?!"
"i run faster then you can possibly imagine, your speed though tragic probably saved lives"
Underrated comment.
@@sammytoejr1069 I would rather you just do better on your PT and be on your way, or I suggest you PICK UP AN USAIN BOLT PROGRAM and stand at the start line. Either way, I don't give a damn what speed you think you can reach!
One the best exchanges in the film. 'Why do hate them so much...?' 'Why do you like them so much...?' And both gave good answers.
His is much better. Since the 'no one is going to hurt you tonight' falls flat when you realize they seriously hurt a fellow soldier.
Amen!
Her response was nothing short of epic.
They stand on a wall, in someone else's country and they say, "we're keeping your land!" The brave heroes
The look of sheer contempt Coffee gives the doctor is priceless.
I love Sam and Jo's differing opinion on what Dawson and Downey did. In a sense they are both right. Jo was right in her admiration of men like Dawson and Downey; they exhibit a great sacrificial bravery to defend people they don't know. But Sam was right cuz in reality, for all that bullshit about honor and unity, all they did was torment and ultimately kill a weaker individual and then they tried to cover it up by saying it was for the greater good. A brilliant scene.
The thing is the two men are also two week indivduals.
@@FallenAngel53 you mean weak....and weak, you mean... following orders? It's very obvious that you've never served at all, especially in a extreme, tight nit infantry unit.
@@ucfkid67 There is a very good reason that many of us, outside the time period of the draft, have chosen not to become members of the military. Because if I'm working a job in the private sector and my boss orders me to perform a task which is morally reprehensible, I have the freedom to quit and look for another job. But if you do that as a member of the military, you're called AWOL and wind up imprisoned. BTW, it's ironic that you criticized Ally Bamma's incorrect spelling of the word "weak" and then demonstrate that you don't know how to spell "knit."
They followed an unlawful order.
@@ucfkid67 if your infantry unit has nits, especially if they are tight, you should improve your unit's hygiene procedures!
I imagine for Dr. Stone, the tension went up....to 11!
Christopher Guest is such a consummate pro. Always loved his hard work.
Hy shit I had no idea this guy was in spinal tap
His testimony would sound better if it was in Doubly
And he can count it with all 11 of his fingers.
"Because they stand on a wall. And they say nothin gonna hurt you tonight-Not on my watch"....I get chills evertime I hear that part.
Except that paritcular wall was in another country far from the US and they did hurt someone on their watch. Santiago.
After all these years, this scene highlights what always sticks with me about this film:
Of all the powerhouse lines and huge stars this movie has, in the end, who was right?: Kevin Pollak's Lt. Weinberg.
In the end, the fact remains that, order or no, they tortured and tormented a weaker kid.
Facts, his statement had far more gravity than her rebuttal. “They stand on a wall and say nothing will hurt you tonight”... unless you can’t run fast enough then we’ll kill you. They pretend to defend the weak and then kill the weak. I’m a current active duty marine and this is not how the corps is at all. But I’m totally on weinburgs side
@@tyc4587 It's a bit odd that she uses the same rebuttal as Colonel Jessup - I am the father, I provide and the wife and kids shouldn't question how I provide it, whether I do honest work or commit crime. I guess the corps used to be like that - same in the UK with Deepcut - but things have changed. But as a service member, do you get people thanking you for your service and blindly agreeing with everything you say and do without questioning you like everybody else? Maybe I watch too much Fox News but there is a point at which you think "I can't do what they do, but I'm glad they're there when we need them, no matter how they do it, because it's difficult".
That’s exactly why they were dishonorably discharged for Unbecoming Marines. True Marines fight for the weak. Besides, they followed an unlawful order.
@@tyc4587 the movie included her line because imagine the complaints against the film for being political or anti troop if they just had pollacks line. it's a great movie but really full of 90s patriotic drivel
And why bc he couldn't run very fast..
I love how everyone (judge included)was so willing to accept what amounts to speculation with no proof. Are we to believe that those two airheads managed to find an undetectable poison to off Santiago with? Still this scene is awesome!! Tom Cruise nailed it!!
The doctor is an expert, and Kaffee’s entire line of questioning was to undermine that fact. Jo made a good play in objecting to his testimony to show he’s not a criminologist, but, as Sam pointed out, CONTINUING to do so made the defense look weak in the face of the doctor’s testimony and his expertise being reiterated by the prosecution and the Judge was the last thing the jury heard before the end of the hearing.
The correct move here was to get your own expert medical witness - a lot of them. Find other doctors who hate this guy and destroy him.
the doctor was doing a classic "CYA" !!!!
Yep. Pretty obvious. But the movie only has so much time. Maybe they could have just alluded to doing that, at least.
@@gregoryclemen1870 what is a cya?
it means "COVER YOUR ASS"!!!!!
Military courts often have different rules than civilian ones.
5:50 I like the little things in this scene, like how Cruise sits at the table thinking about what happened, and he shoves the glass out of the way so he can cross his hands, and then he turns his head to listen to the conversation.
Tom Cruise is a crazy dude, but he's one hell of an actor.
The way Tom in this movie was setting people up for multiple traps to fall in was nothing less than genius. This movie should be taught within Harvard Law School
First Tom object to the Doctor saying Santiago was poison before he can give his theory why he believes this by Tom successfully trying to say the doctor credentials are lacking in that field to make that call. Knowing after the Judge was still going to let the Doctor say his theory anyway.
Then Tom cross-examining asking the Doctor is there any disease that can get pass a routine medical exam that could cause the same death as this suppose possible poison theory. The Doctor said yes. Tom ask him to name them. The Doctor does, but said there would be symptoms. Tom said what symptoms, but before the Doctor can answer Tom named 3 symptoms. The Doctor said yes to all 3. Then Tom gave him the routine medical exam he gave Santiago to read out loud all 3 symptoms he diagnose Santiago with. Which is all the symptoms the Doctor on record said yes could've cause Santiago death if he had a coronary disease.
Lastly after the Doctor still stick to his guns that he believes Santiago was poison. Tom makes it look like the Doctor had a investing interest in wanting it to be poison because he might look bad passing someone through his routine examination with a disease basically making the Doctor testimony irrelevant to a jury until Demi scoop in with her B.S after the prosecutor had to dive in to build the Doctor resume back up. Just Great Lawyering (I got that from It Always Sunny In Philadelphia).
Let not forget getting Colonel Jack because of his Big Ego to fall for his own "We follow orders or people die" quote as a trap because he didn't want to say or make it look like people disregarded his orders.
@@mangacomicvisionarygenius9612 I thought it was probably one of the finer examples of Danny’s skill as an attorney when it came to cross examining doctor stone.
I was a submarine torpedoman/weapons instructor from 2005-2014, stationed at Pearl Harbor. While on shore duty, I had to be a brig escort for some people. I got to watch how JAG officers and lawyers operate. It’s a pretty wild sight. Now that I’m a cop, I can see how lawyers pull tricks to save their client/protect the prosecutions case.
Wild shit all around.
I love how Kevin Bacon looks over at the defense at 4:31 as he reiterates the point that the doctor is an expert professional in his field and then proceeds to continue questioning the doctor about whether or not Santiago was poisoned. He knows he’s twisting the knife in their backs and he’s absolutely loving it lol!
_KEVIN BACON 2021_
his performance was SOOO underrated in this movie
He is so good in this scene. One of the least appreciated supporting actors in so many movies he is in. He always leaves a mark and never seems to be the main hero. Awesome. With Bacon please. @@brandondaniels9471
I admit Ive watched this movie hundreds of times and finally had an epiphany when it dawned on me Dr. Stone IS Count Rugen from the Princess Bride!!!!!!
Christopher Guest is so good in this scene.
All these years later... *STILL* excellent, compelling, insightful writing.
Sure, maybe some of the 'outside the court' scenes are pretty campy and ridiculous, but all of the philosophical quips, points, beats, reflection and more?!
Awesome.
After Spinal Tap broke up, Nigel Tufnel got his act together, went to medical school, joined the navy and became a testimonial expert witness in the case revolving around Pvt Willy Santiago's death. Amazing!
And before this he had an extra finger and was a henchman in a fictional fantasy kingdom. It's all coming together!
lmao what an underrated comment
@@Raulbikcube Don't you think it would be suspicious that the Navy would commission a medical officer with a TORTURER background?
We went to 11.
This is so well written, even the amateur mistake made by Demi Moore's character is continuing to object to Dr Stone's evidence.
And in fairness to Jo, it had been awhile since she’d been in a courtroom.
Damn Tom killed that Doctor. Brought him back to life and then killed him again until Demi came in to save him with her B.S.
No he didn't. That's why he did his crazy hail mary at the end.
@@blusafe1 what crazy hail mary?
@@mangacomicvisionarygenius9612 getting the general to admit to the code red order, at risk of perjury
@@JohnnyDoeDoeDoe at risk of perjury? What you mean?
@@mangacomicvisionarygenius9612, well he risked perjury because accusing a high rank colonel of breaking military rules and policies, especially when the colonel stated he didn't break the code red rules, can land the lawyer in jail and ban him from ever practicing law again.
Her reasons for "liking them" seems more surface than Pollack's. His character was probably abused by other kids, so he does take it personally.
@TheRuffington I disagree. Far too often, people speak in patriotic platitudes with no real connection to what they are saying. Pollack's character, we can reasonably infer, has a genuine connection to what he is saying. Maybe if we saw a later scene about someone Moore's character knew that was killed while serving, it would create that connection and even a point both character's could appreciate. But they didn't, so it falls flat for me. Maybe I'm somewhat biased because I hear people say things like Moore said, but all too often their actions don't match their words.
I think the takeaway is that human beings are complex, and different people join the military or any organization for different reasons: some for duty and altruistic reasons and some just like to 'blow s*** up' (to borrow a line from another Demi Moore movie, haha). While they are both right and biased in their own ways, I do agree it would be more interesting if the film later showed where she was coming from - maybe she's from a military family and she has more of a positive association with it, whereas perhaps Sam, like Danny, did not come from a military background and has a more cynical and pragmatic attitude toward his career in the JAG corps.
Pollak's character is just looking at it from a "common-sense" point of view. He knows Santiago was severly persecuted for not being up to par with the rest of the marines, and doesn't condone using violence to resolve it, even if Dawson and Downey didn't intend to cause any physical harm to Santiago, but just to shave his head, and they were unaware of his undiagnosed medical condition, their actions were still overt and unethical and did result in Santiago dying.
They followed an unlawful order
@TheRuffington torturing someone is not protecting borders.
Power hungry shitstains can justify anything.
If someone is not a good athlete dismiss them from program
Don't kill them to up your own career.
If army men are just hordes of zombie killing Machine,I really pity them
It’s often overlooked that LT JG Caffy is one rank lower than LT Weinberg and 2 ranks lower than Demi’s character. Yet he’s the lead counsel and a true leader - so leads them with full confidence
Weinberg is a Lieutenant JG aswell
@@tristandunn4761 I think he meant First lieutenant vs 2nd lieutenant.
I don't notice anything though
@@officialzacadammorrison navy rank is different from the Army and Marine Corp. in the Navy, an O-3 is Lieutenant. An O-1. Coffey is Lieutenant Junior Grade which is an 0-2 in the Navy. Yes Kevin Bacon’s character is a Marine captain (an O-3) but they might be separated by as little as a year, meaning there was an overlap period when both of them were O-2s and Kevin Bacon’s character pinned O-3 sooner. The path to O-3 is simply time in service. After that, it’s purely performance based.
Often O-2s and O-3s that are so close in time in service are often Buddy Buddy and don’t give a shit about rank, unless it comes to a head on the job. My buddies who were a year ahead of me didn’t like me calling them Sir cause they knew I was going to pin on Captain soon anyway.
@@youtubecommenter37 Navy rank is slightly faster. Got ya.
Same same here in Singapore. A new Lieutenant in the Singapore Civil Defence force is considered LTA even though it's 2LT.
Our army, a new Lieutenant is 2LT. and then a year later, will be promoted to LTA.
Definitely agree with you that it's more on time and it's not really that far off.
z@c+
Caffey is also the best litigator amongst them. Wienberg and Galloway both acknowledge this in the film. Weinberg says it when caffey is drunk and Weinberg says caffey is a better lawyer than his father. And Galloway also tells caffey “he is an excellent lawyer” when they are eating seafood out to dinner.
Caffey should have questioned the "undetectable poison" claim more.
He should have asked things like "what kind of 'untedectable poison' would junior enlisted men have access too in Cuba?" And "How would two low ranking infantrymen know anything about what poisons are undetectable?"
Yeah, like most people I love this film, but as an attorney I see so many problems (but not as many as, say, Philadelphia, which is?awful from a legal standpoint).
You are correct, lots of questions like yours left on the table. Also, I sat there wondering "where's Caffey's expert witness, especiallysincexwe know there was no poison on the rag?" And, the ending where they are acquitted but dishonorably discharged. That was a logically inconsistent, not to mention, improper verdict given Jessup's admissions. The jury thought their fellow Marines should have refused a direct order?
I realize that the judge throwing it out would have negated the last scene where Dawson says they HAD done somethingwrong, but the judge reversing the jury on that point would have been proper. And no mention of appealing?
@@gheller2261 Any real life good lawyer would have gotten the murder charges thrown out after Dr. Stone's testimony. With no evidence of poison on the rag, and now with it clearly established that it was possible something other than poison killed Santiago, the prosecution is left with no evidence whatsoever that there was intent to kill. Based on that, Caffey should have asked for (and gotten) the judge to dismiss the murder charges. Murder charges require intent.
Also I too found the ending frustrating, since the two marines ended up getting convicted of a non-existent charge. "Conduct unbecoming a marine" does not exist in real life. It was disappointing that after so much attention to detail as to how the real military works, the two marines ended up being a convicted of a totally fictional charge.
@@TheStapleGunKid Thanks. I did not know that the conduct unbecoming is not a real charge under the code of military justice. I am not a criminal lawyer, but I am not sure you are correct that all degrees of murder require intent and it certainly depends on the jurisdiction. Certainly, after the prosecution rested, Kaffee should have sought dismissal of the murder charges based on the fact that no reasonable jury could conclude that there was poison on the rag.
I saw the play on Broadway around 1989-90. Kaffee was supposed to have been played by Tom Hulce (Animal House, Amadeus), but we got the understudy, an unknown actor named Bradley Whitford,. Ron Perlman played Jessep, Clark Gregg as Jack Ross, and Robert Hogan as Markinson. I think Megan Gallagher, who was on China Beach, was Jo. Whitford did not disappoint and I followed him from then on.
@@gheller2261 There is a charge called "conduct unbecoming an officer", but that obviously doesn't apply to enlisted men. Conduct unbecoming a marine simply does not exist in the UCMJ
What's really interesting is that the movie and play are based on the real life incident of a marine named David Cox. If you are not familiar with his case, you should look it up some time.
@@TheStapleGunKid Yes, I am aware of the case. I think Sorkin said that his sister told him about it, he looked into it and thought it was so interesting that he created a fictionalized version.
"In your expert opinion, isn't it possible, that you strenuously object?"
Such a great movie.
Excellent Acting Excellent movie
That doctor was just saving his own ass -- look at that fear in his eyes at 3:32 when Kaffee confronts him about Santiago's undiagnosed heart condition. He has a lot to lose admitting that fatal mistake.
Of course. Didn’t help that Jessup probably put the fear of God in him to get him to play along.
@@matthewriley7826 About how DQ'ing Santiago would "put lives in danger". You're a doctor. You save lives, don't you Stone?
Excellent movie, with great acting. It is weird to see Christopher Guest playing such a serious role though.
"Move to reconsider!" This line always tickles me.
Please the court, I'd like to have it noted that I love this scene.
If you read Sorkin's stage script, the doctor is ordered to make all this go away and to falsify records. It's not in the movie, which is better as you don't know what he really knows
Mr.pollack's, reaction when miss.moore, kept agavting the judge was great.
The doctor is probably an excellent surgeon as well, considering that he has six fingers on his right hand!!!!!
*I got that reference*
Lol!! My name Inigo Montoya, you killed my father... prepare to die!!
The dialogue in this movie is just phenomenal
This scene proves one other thing, Kiefer Sutherlands character played a huge role in this. Acting in concert. That’s where the implied orders originally came from. BTW, JT Walsh didn’t use a chrome plated .45 to blow his head off, that was a chrome Beretta 92 9mm.
Whenever I see him I just think of best in show.
Macadamia nuts...
"Because they stand on a wall, and they say: 'Nothing is gonna hurt you tonight; not on my watch'"
Powerful shit there
Strange argument to give in favor of people who are on trial for murdering someone who was supposed to be on their own side.
Basically, her argument boils down to "...but they're nice to ME."
@@YourXavier apparently you didn't get the movie. Equally obvious that you never served in any branch of the U.S. armed forces...or even the Boy Scouts for that matter.
@@michaelwarren7962 Equally obvious that you're not addressing what I actually said, but have instead resorted to adolescent chest-thumping.
If the reason you respect soldiers is because they protect you from harm, then why doesn't it undermine that respect when they harm innocent people?
@@YourXavier let me dumb this down for you: Code Red. They followed a fucking order. The code was not to kill him, yet he died in the process. Thus, no conviction for murder. To convict one of murder, there must be intent.
They followed the platoon commanders order. That's how the dice rolls in the Corp.
@@michaelwarren7962 Yes, they followed orders. They're not on that wall because they're nice people. They're not on the wall in order to protect you at all. That's incidental.
They're on the wall because they were ordered to be and if they were ever ordered to beat the shit out of you instead, they would.
I don't see why that deserves respect.
Man, I love this anime
On cross I would have asked the doctor to list the "dozen" undetectable chemicals that might have caused the condition and then, since apparently wild speculation is allowed in this court, to tell the court how two low-ranked enlisted men would have been able to procure such chemicals in Guantanamo.
Dr. Stone... Is it not true that you are actually an Englishman by the name of Nigel Tufnel who was a member of the rock band Spinal Tap?
Nigel grew up and became a turd. LOL Lot more fun as that rocker.
His testimony should be evaluated on a scale from 1-11, it's one more.
Ha ha! I was just thinking the same thing. 🙂
Both films were directed by Rob Reiner! 😆
"Did you pass Santiago with a clean bill of health?"
"Well I wasn't going to but then he offered to lick my love pump."
"Because they stand on a wall and say, "Nothing's going to hurt you tonight, not on my watch.""
dang eye sweat
You're affected by some pretty cheesy shit, my guy.
@@jarret45 Empathy isn't for everyone I guess...
@@Rendell001 Yeah, fuck the guy they bullied and murdered. No empathy for him lol.
@@jarret45 and yet they both know at the end that rather than follow Jessups illegal order they should have protected their friend.
@@Rendell001 I'm sure the dead guy and his family are grateful they learned their lesson. Dafuq outta here with that shit, boy.
"But this medical report goes to 11 and is in danger of being crashed by a dwarf."
Brilliant film.....
I WANT HD
YOU CANT HANDLE HD
Always thought Jo’s retort at the end was moronic since those guys ended up hurting someone who didn’t deserve it.
Kind of the essence of evil whether it’s an order or not.
Exactly. It's the same mentality that gives Gitmo the sparkling reputation it has today.
"Lord knows if you put a man with a serious coronary condition on duty and that man dies you would have a lot to answer for"
3:31: "Lick my love pump".
this shit today still happening In the Marine Corps
We still can't handle that truth.
Mr.cruise, said she made a mistake but yet she kept making the same mistake over and over again.
Never thought that Chris would have been in a movie with Tom Cruise etc..........life's full of surprises.
Rob Reiner directed this film, he worked with him before in Spinal Tap, not a surprise they’d work together again
@@Aguzman0077 Oh okay........that's the connection.....thanks..........but where were the other guys............lol
"Not on my watch!", and that says it all.
If you only object once, it tends to understate the hugeness of the objection.
Sam was right, they bullied Santiago. Santiago witnessed Dawson firing his M-16A2 into Cuban territory, and told a Senator he was writing a letter to that, if he helped arrange a transfer off the base, he would reveal information about that fence line shooting incident. Dawson knew Santiago witnessed him firing his weapon, knew Santiago was writing a letter to a Senator and that he might rat him out, sure sounds like Dawson had motive.
You're so right, I'm going to GAG YOU with this gag order lol!
Great casting, the entire movie
Kevin nailed that scene. And his character was right. His clients deserved prison. Guards at Belsen-Bergen also followed orders. It isn’t good enough.
yes, but getting the officers who issued the orders and punishing them is more important.
@@stvdagger8074 Not really. Not more. The minute people cross the line and just say they were told and that is ok....then the worst will happen. It has been happening again. In this country. I walked down Front street and came up to help a Jew beaten in the street. He was bloodied and beaten by the left. Sad. And accepted by our government. All in the last month. Sad.
@@zippyzipster46 zero percent chance it was leftists who beat up that jew. It is unfortunate you would assume that because the entire rest of your comments seem to suggest that you otherwise understand the issues with how our society not only tolerates but expects people to simply "follow orders" unquestioningly.
@@alcoholic1638 I can tell you the left winged pro-Palestinian hate speech in this country has hit a fever pitch. I have seen hate crimes by the left against synogogues. Same as the red flag burning of churches in my home state. The left winged media ran when the truth came out.
Guest is so underrated
There is a technical error in what Dr. Stone said. Oxygen doesn't burn. It is needed for other things to burn. Cells normally burn sugar, fat, and protein for energy. I think what the doctor meant to say was lactic acidosis occurs when the muscles and other cells in the body burn sugar in a shortage of oxygen.
I didn't know junior Os can talk like that to their seniors. Also why isn't she the Lead of the Defense? She also acts like she's the most junior on the team.
Military politics. She was assigned as a favor
@@JohnSmith-4U doesnt matter, she still outranks him.
@@flexman70 and she was given a directive by someone that out-ranked her to just "assist"
@@JohnSmith-4U she....still....outranks him. Assist, walk, talk, sit, or fkin sleep with him....she still outranks him smh.
@@flexman70 cool.....her directive was to sit down and listen...smh
Except for that poor guy though Demi...
They didn't stood on a wall and protect him, instead they ambushed him when he was asleep and killed him like fucking cowards. Someone DID hurt him that night, and it was them!
Apparently he wasn't worth protecting, according to this logic.
The beautiful part about the ending though is that all three lawyers had their points proven in the end. They were declared not guilty for murder and conspiracy to commit murder, which is what Danny and Jo were primarily fighting for. However, they WERE declared guilty for conduct unbecoming a Marine because, as Lt. Weinberg pointed out, they shouldn't have targeted a weaker man. One of the men even admits in the end: "We were supposed to protect Willie."
@@silverstarlightproductions1292 They didnt target him. Jessup and Kendrik did. What were Dawson and Downey supposed to do after receiving the order?
Try to imagine you are a PFC at Guantanamo under Jessups command. You get an order for a code red... basically some hazing that you have no reason to believe will result in permanent harm. Are you reeeeealy going to say "Jeez Colonel Jessup/Lt Kendrick... that order sounds illegal to me... I dont think I will comply."
Riiiiight.
@@paulgilbert2506 To be honest, most won't be able to stand up to that level of authority with their rank; However, you are taught that you are to follow lawful orders and ask for clarification about suspected unlawful orders in which you can disobey if you have absolute evidence that their order is unlawful.
Realistically though, fear of repercussion will often times prevent good men from questioning a circumstance like this.
"My expert is in an expert medical witness, and in this courtroom it is not considered an opinion"
"Where's your base?"
"I don't know"
"You don't know where your base is?"
"I don't know, do I?"
"You don't know where you left your base?"
"I can't tell." --Captain Oveur
"You can tell me. I'm a doctor." --Dr. Rumack
I had NO IDEA that Christopher Guest was in this!!
Here before any Dr. Stone Anime comments ;)
"Are you sure about those 5 minutes!!!"
My Cousin Vinny is such a great movie
Vincent LaGuardia Gambini was under a lot of pressure but got the job done.
@@brentminick1 Uh...I think you mean Joe Gallo....
@@bubbaguy4411 Joey Callo! *knocks over chess board* with a C!
The Tom Cruise character got under his skin. Turned his emotions up to eleven (lol).
Christopher Guest! Nigel Tufnel from Spinal Tap doing a great job for the director Rob Reiner, who directed both films. Almost didn’t recognize him with the short hair and American accent.
Captain Ross: Dr. Stone.. In your expert professional opinion.. Was Willie Santiago poisoned?
Dr. Stone: It goes to eleven....
The sleeper in this scene is who plays the Doctor Stone. Christopher Guest of Spinal Tap, Best in Show and many more.
Any new immigrants to the United States ought to study this film and know it inside out. If they can comprehend it and absorb all the vocab and articulation skills portrayed in this film, they don't need any other English classes.
i agree, different fields of study have their own vocabulary
If a poison is undetectable how do we know it exists lol
The reality is they needed their own medical witnesses to absolutely destroy the prosecution's witness.
Count Tyrone Rugan came back in another life Dr Stone
I think the biggest issue with the defense is that Jo isn't a lawyer. Is it common for Internal Affairs to sit on a defense counsel or as the prosecution? Or would they be called in as witnesses?
Yes, she is a lawyer. She was assigned to Internal Affairs because JAG wasn’t happy with the inordinate amount of time she took disposing of the cases she was assigned.
As a trial lawyer, what I find more problematic with this film, is that Caffey could concentrate on work whilst being 20 hours a day besides prime Demi Moore.
I know right. I'm not myself with just 6 hours of sleep.
So, at the end of the movie, the REAL guilty person, this Dr, gets along unpunished whatsoever. That always tricked me.
The doctor interrogation is actually the biggest plot hole in the entire film. Kaffee proves that the cause of Santiago's death being an undiagnosed heart disease is far more likely that it being some poison. In real life, that would have been enough to stop the trial there and then, since it completely destroys the government's case to its core, and the investigation would have had to start from scratch.
But you know... the rest of the script is so freaking good that I'm more than willing to give this one a pass.
Damn! Demi is hot
FYI -- The guy in the dock was the bassist in Spinal Tap.
"I gave private Santiago a clean bill of health, it went to eleven."
@TheStapleGunKid very true, i completely negated that essential fact. yes they did indeed call an ambulance in the hopes of saving Private Santiago's life, but at the same time they did indeed weed out and torment a weaker inidividual solely because they were acting on orders. However, they are obviously innocent of Willie's murder.
Nobody has covers. What they do when they go outside?
DR STONE, DID YOU ORDERED CODE RED ????
His acidosis level went up to 11.
Ooh, that doctor played guitar in Spinal Tap!
Very few will recognize the doctor as Count Rugen, the six-fingered man, from The Princess Bride.
Or Nigel Tufnel, lead guitar for Spinal Tap.
I did, and I was looking for the comment that mentioned both! (Or simply called him Jamie Lee Curtis's husband lol)
OMG! WHAT!? I didn't even recognize him!!!!
Why the Navy would ever commission him is a terrible thing to consider.
The acidosis goes to 11
Wait, what? Lactic acidosis doesnt cause lungs to bleed...Its a good indicator of tissue death but to lack of oxygen, but wtf is the lung bleeding bs? I love hollywood writing
They should have shown the doctor and Kitrick being arrested at the end.
I can understand Kendrick, but why the doctor? He was innocent, wasn't he?
@@gonzaloorivevilla3329 Not at all! He allowed himself to be coerced into stating it was poison when he knew full well that it wasn’t. He lied on the pathology report
Kitrick? Maybe you were thinking of the IMF leader Kitteridge in MI 😁
@@jaybee2402 An obvious faux pas on my part.
Or he was just a lousy doctor. The best of the best are not relegated to an outpost on Guantanamo Bay.
'Thorough physical examination', a really conscientious and humble doctor wouldn't have said like that.
Maybe Santiago was just paranoid
Dr. Stone please allow the prosecution to finish the question
Why do I hear Elaine upbraiding the medical school grad who's boning up for the boards: "No! Kypokalemia! Not lactic acidosis! DUHH!"
Lactic acid is not a result of cells burning sugar instead of oxygen. The cells burn sugar constantly. Lactic acid is produced when the cells burn sugar in the absence of oxygen, or anaerobic metabolism.
I wish this could happen in real court
with jessop and hendricks arrested, how long do you think it would be before the doctor loses his licence?
"I'm cool with torture and murder of an innocent person because they 'stand on a wall.'"
Jesus. The self-importance of some of these characters is staggering. I suppose if I lived through the Cuban missile crisis I might feel differently, but I grew up during the 80's/90's and post-Cold War Cuba didn't feel like much of a threat to me in 1992. (Not to denigrate the service of the folks who were stationed there in the 90's.)
It just seems like the treatment of Santiago was especially extreme given the Marines in Cuba were no longer protecting us from nuclear war. (If I correctly understand the geopolitical situation following the collapse of the USSR.)
I love this movie but wouldn't it make more sense to set it in the 60's? The stakes would be much higher.
The Castro regime were just like, "Hey, we cool now. You can stay in Gitmo for as long as you like. We like having capitalist pigs in our back yard."