the reality is the whole Mormon thing sounds messed up, Lori to the extreme of the spectrum but the witness doesn't sound 100% sane either. Personally I am happy that the defense grilled the witness, not because of the reasons they did it to help Lori out who is despicable. But to expose a bit how all the rest of the group wasn't squeaky clean either.
I love the fact Charles changed his life insurance policy months before his murder to his sister. That must have really pissed off that waste of skin named Lori.
I still dont understand why Alex wasn’t arrested for shooting Charles when they knew he wasn’t telling the truth- Can people shoot people in Arizona like that and then be taken back home like nothing happened? It’s just so sad to think these kids would likey still be alive if Arizona law enforcement would have cared to do their job.
I think they needed to do further investigations. But seems to me there were major red flags the day of the shooting. Not sure why he wasn’t at least detained.
@@lyndaczika6327 exactly. But I'm sure they knew when they moved the body that the bullet was IN THE FLOOR. Investigations into crimes this obvious shouldn't take months. Chandler failed Charles miserably MISERABLY and will take no responsibility.
They may have needed to do more investigation but they could have held Lori and Alex the story didn’t match. They could have held because they lied to them. In the interviews it’s crazy how the detectives just looked over it. I think the same as the other person. You must be able to get away with murder in Arizona. Weird!!!!
Why can't they show anything!? Why can't they be in the court room? I want to see how she has zero remorse. That's why she doesn't want anyone to see anything.
I thought the same thing. I want to watch her squirm and I want to see her face when they say guilty on all counts. Too bad they don’t have the death penalty bet she would’ve made a deal then
How horrible and sick that Chad actually texted and referred to Tylee as a large squirrel in his backyard! It sounded like she may have been running for her life, and he shot, burned and buried her in the pet cemetery. Then said in the text, fun, fun!😢
Thank God some one is FINALLY getting some justice for Charles too! If the police had acted when Charles begged them to, or acted after Charles cold blooded murder... mayb the kids & Tammy would still b alive now!😡😡😡 their police incompetence makes me mad as hell!😡😡😡
David Warwick's testimony is summed up in the very last sentence of his testimony for the defense: "I didn't see any reason to suspect." That is the message he wants to convey.
I don’t think Melanie was telling David about those castings they were doing. The police said that apartment felt dark there is on telling what kind of spirit they got. They were doing witch craft if that church wants to call it what ever the call it. It’s plain old witch craft.
I found him creepy He had autistic child Then he should know better than getting into J J s face. His Mrs didn't like Tylie or JJ, that's horrible in itself. She's in it up to her neck She's in i
It's so amazing how both sides of attorney's are so cordial. Most trials I've watched have shown the two sides obviously against one another. With lots of side bars and objections. SMH I can't help but feel that she's not looking good in this fight for her freedom..... 🤔🤔🤔
Church is one thing Business is business. It shouldn't matter what as a defense attorney I would want protection from the prosecution team. It's obvious she's guilty of her charges even though she's presumed innocent. However I'm feeling nervous for her. I wouldn't want him to defend me "either one of them" WOW 😲
I don’t think he has much to go on. He knows she did it. He can’t lie for her. He can only point out some inconsistencies of the people that are on the stand.
😂 WTF difference does this make? People have been doing it for centuries. Look at the FLDS cult. They twisted their bs up so they could sleep and breed with multiple women. Sleeping with someone who you're not married to, while in the Bible is considered adultery, is done all the time. I don't remember hearing they were Sleeping together. I heard testimony they slept in different rooms.
The attorney says he’s questioning the witness credibility, I think he’s help the prosecution side, this witness sounds very credible…. Strange attorneys she has.
This is beyond senseless… Lori could’ve given JJ back to Kay & Larry they would’ve had a million dollars to care for him from Mr. Vallow’s life insurance & Kaylee would’ve been an adult. Chad would’ve gotten away with his wife’s murder & they both would be living “regular lives” ?!! As for Alex… I’m still not buying his cause of death but regardless he would’ve probably also gotten away with murder or been locked up regardless the kids would be alive right now.
Lori didn't want Kay to be happy. I agree with you about Alex. Like, who was next on the hit list? Did they try to get Alex to kill Zulema and then have Zulema kill Alex? Because how else did it all go down? But I guess we only have Zulema's word for the story about Alex giving her a massage on a large tarp!
I think alex killed himself because he definitely would of been their fall guy just like he f said. They didnt kill him he did all the killing he killed himself because he knew he would be thrown to the wolves if alive
Mr. Archibald is bordering Rigorous Persecution! Bis questioning is Badgering and irrelevant to any probation value! Why didn't the Prosecution say asked and answered? He told Defense he had a nightmare! He explained it as a nightmare that he was in and confusing. He did not ask for Chad's Blessing? He repeated this at less 4 times! A vision is being shown something So why is Defense allowed to bulky the issue in this continued circuitous repetitive annoying way? Just makes these two look like Arseholes!
I'm just wondering why the defense isn't objecting to any of the states. I realize he can't really but I'm not an attorney. You would think he would be doing more to TRY to defend Lori ..... She seems pretty screwed. I know already there WILL be an appeal.
The defense is actually objecting quite a bit, but a lot of the time its overruled. Do you not here both defense attorneys objecting when either one is doing the questioning. There are 2.
@@chrismondrick5422 I don't, I'm sorry!!! They just seem to be once in a while and then after the judge explains the objection they say okay I will not object... SMH 🤔🤔
@Jackie Miles hmm idk if we are watching the same trial here lol. Iv never heard that once. They object all the time actually. Idk if your watching it all the way through without skipping at all i dont know man. Kinda weird but definitely not what im watching
@@chrismondrick5422 ummm yeah there's only one Lori vallow daybell case, LoL I'm glad to say. I'm just not seeing the attorneys really going back and forth a lot. Like most trials I've seen. I hope you have a great day either way. I just don't think I would want to be in her shoes, I'm just saying. Peace ✌️
@Jackie Miles there not really going back and forth right now it's the prosecution's witnesses and the defense is objecting when they object the judge decides and usually lets the prosecution word it differently or the prosecution says it isnt hearsay the witness is going by his memory this or that. They dont go back and forth with each other they both answer to the judge. And when the defense cross examines you will hear the prosecution object as well and they go through the judge he will either say overruled or sustained or give them a chance to explain the question or word it differently. It's been happening quite a lot.
She hasn’t been able to figure out if the chad dude is gonna take a deal so she doesnt wanna use daybell // like at the beginning of the arrest and stuff
Does Idaho have the death penalty? Lori Vallow surely deserves the same treatment she gave her children and husbands. And it's a good thing Vallow was a queen in a past life, because for the next 1000 lifetimes, I'm pretty sure she's coming back as a one-cell organism.
I understand the whole innocent until proven guilty thing....but they both are guilty. Their body language, their verbal cues and their lies are proof enough! Why are we wasting taxpayer money on them?
It’s hard to listen to the detective he sounds like he’s trying not to say much or something. He could have told Alex to come down the stairs right. It just don’t make sense. They didn’t do there jobs very well maybe they have had a lot of back lash over this.
So anyone can just listen, watch, etc. against a court order & nothing is done. This should be enough for the states case to be thrown out!!!! This judge is spineless, in keeping order of his own court.
What are you talking about? Cameras and video are banned,no one can watch unless they're in the courtroom. The court allowed the audio files to be released at the end of every day. That's all we have. It's a shame video was banned. It's not fair to the families of the victims who cannot spend months in an Idaho courtroom every day.
@@bethnorrod5942 Jeromy was talking about people who are subpoenaed. Until they are released from their subpoena, they are not supposed to 'digest' anything about the case, otherwise they are supposed to be subject to penalties. He is referring to David Warwick having listened to 45 minutes of Melanie Gibb's testimony which is against the rules of subpoena. The judge gave him a pass.
@@louisecoulombe2854 I hadn't made it that far into the video when I saw their comment. I had a knee jerk reaction from seeing so many ppl claim that audio shouldn't be available and the case should be thrown out without understanding that it's a release of audio files and how scary would it be if "the case is thrown out"?! Im shocked at the few that think Lori should go free. David should have been excluded,however.
Funny how the defense is trying to discredit a witness because of their religious beliefs, when Lori's supposed beliefs caused the death of her kids.
the reality is the whole Mormon thing sounds messed up, Lori to the extreme of the spectrum but the witness doesn't sound 100% sane either. Personally I am happy that the defense grilled the witness, not because of the reasons they did it to help Lori out who is despicable. But to expose a bit how all the rest of the group wasn't squeaky clean either.
@@justme-fe2sf keep your opinions to yourself unless you really investigate yourself about my church. Thank you.
@@justme-fe2sf the mormon thin IS messed up, coming from an ex mormon
I love the fact Charles changed his life insurance policy months before his murder to his sister. That must have really pissed off that waste of skin named Lori.
I think that is what motivated her to kill tylee though :( so she could get her money instead
Oui Oui monsieur! I would seriously pay to see a video of the moment she found out she wasn't the beneficiary!!!!
AMEN!!!
I still dont understand why Alex wasn’t arrested for shooting Charles when they knew he wasn’t telling the truth- Can people shoot people in Arizona like that and then be taken back home like nothing happened? It’s just so sad to think these kids would likey still be alive if Arizona law enforcement would have cared to do their job.
I think they needed to do further investigations. But seems to me there were major red flags the day of the shooting. Not sure why he wasn’t at least detained.
And after Charles told them before about Lori telling him he was dark and things.
@@lyndaczika6327 exactly. But I'm sure they knew when they moved the body that the bullet was IN THE FLOOR. Investigations into crimes this obvious shouldn't take months. Chandler failed Charles miserably MISERABLY and will take no responsibility.
@@ohseriously2 I agree. There was enough to be suspicious about. I don’t get it. 😰
They may have needed to do more investigation but they could have held Lori and Alex the story didn’t match. They could have held because they lied to them. In the interviews it’s crazy how the detectives just looked over it. I think the same as the other person. You must be able to get away with murder in Arizona. Weird!!!!
Why can't they show anything!? Why can't they be in the court room? I want to see how she has zero remorse. That's why she doesn't want anyone to see anything.
I thought the same thing. I want to watch her squirm and I want to see her face when they say guilty on all counts. Too bad they don’t have the death penalty bet she would’ve made a deal then
How horrible and sick that Chad actually texted and referred to Tylee as a large squirrel in his backyard! It sounded like she may have been running for her life, and he shot, burned and buried her in the pet cemetery. Then said in the text, fun, fun!😢
racoon?
RACCOON
He said it was a raccoon. I think he just made up the story to explain the gunshot and why he was digging in the back yard but it's still creepy.
The body cam “audio” of Lori proves just how disturbed and evil she is. Wow.
And it still took the police for ever to investigate this. It was months.
@@lesiabriceno8224 it truly is so awful. I don’t get it at all.
I thought she would have thrown Chad under the bus by now. I’m guessing he’s throwing her under the bus.
Oh that’s coming her lawyer has already set that up!!!!
The defense lawyer is so mono tone he must be putting the jury to sleep..I know I'm yawning.
Total dud… prob knows there’s no defense n she’s effed so why bother.
@@lizcunningham853 good point by you batman!!
Thank God some one is FINALLY getting some justice for Charles too! If the police had acted when Charles begged them to, or acted after Charles cold blooded murder... mayb the kids & Tammy would still b alive now!😡😡😡 their police incompetence makes me mad as hell!😡😡😡
David Warwick's testimony is summed up in the very last sentence of his testimony for the defense: "I didn't see any reason to suspect." That is the message he wants to convey.
I don’t think Melanie was telling David about those castings they were doing. The police said that apartment felt dark there is on telling what kind of spirit they got. They were doing witch craft if that church wants to call it what ever the call it. It’s plain old witch craft.
I found him creepy
He had autistic child
Then he should know better than getting into J J s face.
His Mrs didn't like Tylie or JJ, that's horrible in itself.
She's in it up to her neck
She's in i
@@lesiabriceno8224 no way is it witch craft at all
@@loopy1159 casting out demons is done by both witches and the Catholic Church. So make of that what you will.
this is the creepiest trial - I worked in the courts don't want to hear one minute of this story animals know better.
It's so amazing how both sides of attorney's are so cordial. Most trials I've watched have shown the two sides obviously against one another. With lots of side bars and objections. SMH I can't help but feel that she's not looking good in this fight for her freedom..... 🤔🤔🤔
Perhaps because they also belong to the same church?
Church is one thing Business is business. It shouldn't matter what as a defense attorney I would want protection from the prosecution team. It's obvious she's guilty of her charges even though she's presumed innocent. However I'm feeling nervous for her. I wouldn't want him to defend me "either one of them" WOW 😲
I don’t think he has much to go on. He knows she did it. He can’t lie for her. He can only point out some inconsistencies of the people that are on the stand.
Perhaps because they all belong to the same church/temple.
@@fague3390 that's a possibility
So Warwick won’t work on Sunday but he’ll sleep with Gibb in the same bed?
while she was still married .
😂 WTF difference does this make? People have been doing it for centuries. Look at the FLDS cult. They twisted their bs up so they could sleep and breed with multiple women. Sleeping with someone who you're not married to, while in the Bible is considered adultery, is done all the time. I don't remember hearing they were Sleeping together. I heard testimony they slept in different rooms.
December 2021 isn’t over two years ago I find it odd the year doesn’t add up for how long they have been married
That’s a man for ya
Who the F is taking at 1:33?? Who is on the stand?! I ff through the bs and I'm lost. Good job describing wtf is happening in the DESCRIPTION!!
Wish we could have subtitles can't make out half this
Her brother Adam spoke with the police and said he is sure Lori set Charles up, she and Alex planned the events to kill Charles. She is so evil.
The attorney says he’s questioning the witness credibility, I think he’s help the prosecution side, this witness sounds very credible…. Strange attorneys she has.
He s trying his best as he cannot walk out shouting "f this, !"
This is beyond senseless… Lori could’ve given JJ back to Kay & Larry they would’ve had a million dollars to care for him from Mr. Vallow’s life insurance & Kaylee would’ve been an adult.
Chad would’ve gotten away with his wife’s murder & they both would be living “regular lives” ?!!
As for Alex… I’m still not buying his cause of death but regardless he would’ve probably also gotten away with murder or been locked up regardless the kids would be alive right now.
I believe killing JJ was a punishment to Kay
Lori didn't want Kay to be happy. I agree with you about Alex. Like, who was next on the hit list? Did they try to get Alex to kill Zulema and then have Zulema kill Alex? Because how else did it all go down? But I guess we only have Zulema's word for the story about Alex giving her a massage on a large tarp!
I think alex killed himself because he definitely would of been their fall guy just like he f said. They didnt kill him he did all the killing he killed himself because he knew he would be thrown to the wolves if alive
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Mr. Archibald is bordering Rigorous Persecution! Bis questioning is Badgering and irrelevant to any probation value! Why didn't the Prosecution say asked and answered? He told Defense he had a nightmare! He explained it as a nightmare that he was in and confusing. He did not ask for Chad's Blessing? He repeated this at less 4 times! A vision is being shown something
So why is Defense allowed to bulky the issue in this continued circuitous repetitive annoying way?
Just makes these two look like Arseholes!
I'm just wondering why the defense isn't objecting to any of the states. I realize he can't really but I'm not an attorney. You would think he would be doing more to TRY to defend Lori ..... She seems pretty screwed. I know already there WILL be an appeal.
The defense is actually objecting quite a bit, but a lot of the time its overruled. Do you not here both defense attorneys objecting when either one is doing the questioning. There are 2.
@@chrismondrick5422 I don't, I'm sorry!!! They just seem to be once in a while and then after the judge explains the objection they say okay I will not object... SMH 🤔🤔
@Jackie Miles hmm idk if we are watching the same trial here lol. Iv never heard that once. They object all the time actually. Idk if your watching it all the way through without skipping at all i dont know man. Kinda weird but definitely not what im watching
@@chrismondrick5422 ummm yeah there's only one Lori vallow daybell case, LoL I'm glad to say. I'm just not seeing the attorneys really going back and forth a lot. Like most trials I've seen. I hope you have a great day either way. I just don't think I would want to be in her shoes, I'm just saying. Peace ✌️
@Jackie Miles there not really going back and forth right now it's the prosecution's witnesses and the defense is objecting when they object the judge decides and usually lets the prosecution word it differently or the prosecution says it isnt hearsay the witness is going by his memory this or that. They dont go back and forth with each other they both answer to the judge. And when the defense cross examines you will hear the prosecution object as well and they go through the judge he will either say overruled or sustained or give them a chance to explain the question or word it differently. It's been happening quite a lot.
@3:47:00 body cam audio
effing hell, the witness at the 3.5ish hour was hard to listen to- he seemed to have a real problem verbalizing.
Warwick? He is actually deaf.
@@cathryn2232 no the detective after warwick
Melanie's hunter is ILL! I feel so bad for him having to testify when he's so obviously sick, poor guy
The Detective sergeant with body cam, seem to have cognitive issues and understanding the questions from prosecutors. 🧐🤨
No more Daybell? Lori Vallow.
She hasn’t been able to figure out if the chad dude is gonna take a deal so she doesnt wanna use daybell // like at the beginning of the arrest and stuff
Does Idaho have the death penalty? Lori Vallow surely deserves the same treatment she gave her children and husbands. And it's a good thing Vallow was a queen in a past life, because for the next 1000 lifetimes, I'm pretty sure she's coming back as a one-cell organism.
Let that cell be syphilis
I understand the whole innocent until proven guilty thing....but they both are guilty. Their body language, their verbal cues and their lies are proof enough! Why are we wasting taxpayer money on them?
So what defense is the defense team getting to I think I get it then there cross confuses me
They don’t really have one,they’re just hoping for a retrial. But it’s obvious from the defense opening statement, this whole fiasco is indefensible
See, this is you keep your mouth shut and not tell anyone you viewed the content 😂
if that came out after the trial it could cause them to throw out this trial have to go through this all again, so its good he said something now.
It’s hard to listen to the detective he sounds like he’s trying not to say much or something. He could have told Alex to come down the stairs right. It just don’t make sense. They didn’t do there jobs very well maybe they have had a lot of back lash over this.
What kind of marriage do they have. Havent talk to her in a week. We dont live together. What😅
No new info we didn’t already know. Is this woman going to get off?
So anyone can just listen, watch, etc. against a court order & nothing is done. This should be enough for the states case to be thrown out!!!! This judge is spineless, in keeping order of his own court.
What are you talking about? Cameras and video are banned,no one can watch unless they're in the courtroom. The court allowed the audio files to be released at the end of every day. That's all we have. It's a shame video was banned. It's not fair to the families of the victims who cannot spend months in an Idaho courtroom every day.
@@bethnorrod5942 Jeromy was talking about people who are subpoenaed. Until they are released from their subpoena, they are not supposed to 'digest' anything about the case, otherwise they are supposed to be subject to penalties. He is referring to David Warwick having listened to 45 minutes of Melanie Gibb's testimony which is against the rules of subpoena. The judge gave him a pass.
@@louisecoulombe2854 I hadn't made it that far into the video when I saw their comment. I had a knee jerk reaction from seeing so many ppl claim that audio shouldn't be available and the case should be thrown out without understanding that it's a release of audio files and how scary would it be if "the case is thrown out"?! Im shocked at the few that think Lori should go free. David should have been excluded,however.
At this point no matter who testifies she is going to prison for life. There is still Charles Vallows trial.
@@LCx829 these cannaiving people ate very smart. They might have more lies amd more tricks 😮😮