@@hexagonosaurus5848As of now the 450SS is $8000 CAD at my local dealer and the RS457 should come in around $9000 CAD so for an extra $1000 I would much rather have an Italian motorcycle made in India then something made by CF moto in china. I am a firm believer in you get what you pay for.
Actually. The CFmoto 450 engine was born for the ktm "490" lineup and husqvarna 501 line, but that project was discontinued and now we have the 450SR and 450MT instead of a RC490, 490 adventure , etc.
This is what I also had thought the first time I read that CF Moto has a 450 in development since there was a lot of talk about a ktm 490 before there was a cfmoto 450
I owned a 1st gen 390 ,boy it was a blast . popping wheelie at will even in 3rd gear . recently got to ride a new one it feels more civilized ,still fast but chained down.
For a single, that motor is a lot of fun. Even better when it's got a FuelX on it. KTM keeps doing little upgrades here and there which is great for the bikes. Can't wait for the new 390ADV.
@@UNBIASEDCOMMENTPrice depends on the market. It's one of the cheapest motorcycle in it's class whereas the ninja 400 costs a way lot more than a ktm 390
@@wokeydokey6885 i wont buy a single cylinder 400 cc bike just for a famous brand. no one is gonna fool me buying an ordinary rock telling me it is a gold nugget because it is ktm brand. Dont tell me you would still be happy if ktm is still using outdated parts and a cheap build single cylinder. i could buy a twin cylinder 270 degree crank premium build cf moto 450 sr with the price of your ktm.
I think they made it bulkier for more wind protection and aerodynamics. Probably also so it looks more 'substantial' as that sells bikes. So many people buy the CBR because it feels like more bike
@chrispekel5709 which cbr? The 300? And maybe? But I'm 6'3 and the original rc390 definitely didn't feel that small, and it looked sportier than the new one IMHO
The 390 was my first bike that I bought last May and I love it!! I wish it had a little more power just for the highway commute but yes a small update would go a long way! I'm excited to see what they do next!!
So do you think a 790 would had been a better first bike for you to learn and grow with or the 390 is still the better option to learn on? I’m looking for my first gas bike , I have electric moped that has more low torque which I handle well, everyone saying the 390 is a good beginner but I feel I way out grow it in 6 months or more ..
@@obeii1805 I would say it depends on how tall/ how much you weigh. I would not have enjoyed having that much more powerful of a bike for my first just because of the acceleration and torque is already really good! The only thing I would have enjoyed more was having a higher top speed so I don't feel like I'm maxing out the bike lol! I am 5'11" and weigh 200 pounds for reference. But honestly I love my 390 and I'll probably have it for a couple more years before wanting to change just to really get all the training I can out of it!
@@obeii1805 I've been thinking also if you wanted just a little more power I know the 650 Honda's are really nice that could be a great option for you and pretty much anything in the 60 HP range I think would be plenty of power to keep you satisfied for a while!!
I would put an 450cc single cylinder from exc but with less power/maintenance. I mean, the 450 exc produce 57hp... I think it could be awesome keep the 1 cylinder essence!
I've been saying that for years! If Honda, Suzuki, etc... just put a 450 motocross engine in a small sport bike. The ninja 400 is pretty close. The twin is actually better for road use for sure. But a crf450r motor in a CBR300 would be awesome. 35ft-lbs.
bajaj owns 48% shares of KTM bajaj also make sportbikes like- pulsar rs200,pulsar ns200,pulsar125,pulsar150,pulsar220,pulsar220f,ns160,ns125,dominar250,dominar400,pulsarN160,pulsarN250,pulsarF250 and they recently updated all of the bikes And the bajaj pulsar is the series but dominar not in this series have an other series of bajaj dominar250 dominar400 this bikes in this series
Superbly smooth narration. I see a RC the odd morning parked in a secondary school) (middle school in the States) car park. Geography teacher fronting as a squid. Dainese leathers in class.
Well since I heard about the specs on the soon to be launched Aprilia rs457 and the price it will be launched at, it seems like THE bike to get in the segment... at least to me.
I was told by someone that they were working on a rc 690 a few years ago but I never heard anything more about it. They were trying to keep it under $10000 but that was before this crazy ass inflation.
Also I have a ridden an A2-limitet Duke 790 and the power and acceleration was just crazy. They only capped the peak power down to 45hp but the low and mid-rev pull was unchanged from the unrestricted version. So it accelerated like there is no tomorrow. So at least in EU there is no point to offer bikes that are marginally more powerful that the A2 limit of 45hp.
I think Bajaj should sell there Dominor 400 in European countries , it's a touring bike which comes with same KTM 373cc engine but with a warranty of 75,000km/3yrs, which is far more than any Japanese bike, or the BMW 310r faired bike
The ktm will still be king at what it orginiallt tried to be, best in the a2 category, its horsepower is right at the limit, most 500 sportbikes and the cf450ss are not a2 compliant, thats where the ktm will shine
Yam, you have convinced me that I want a smaller bike. I’ve owned 4 600 sport bikes, including my current RS660 which I bought last year after selling my zx6r. Now that I’ve actually become a decent rider and can push the bike more in the corners, I realize how little I’m touching my aprilia’s potential, and how much better I could be on a small bike. Alas, I’m not made of money. But someday I want a little bike to thrash around! The RS feels slow on the highway, but wicked fast in the canyons (she is NOT stock). I may have dreamed of liter bikes in the past, but I don’t think I’ll ever own one… well, maybe when I’m old and have money for track days and tires 😅
KTM is updating the RC390 with the new Dukes 399 single cylinder engine. Same hp, a little bit more Torque. Also theyre changing the looks to make it look appear like the 1st gen
TFT Display Fully adjustable 43mm suspension 320 mm 4 piston radial brakes with super moto abs 230 mm rear brakes Adjustable levers Somehow in my country is 500 usd cheaper than the Ninja 400 But 300 usd more expensive than the 450SR (which is what the 450SS is called here) So it's really really dependent on the market.
I had a '22 or '23 RC 390, and just bought a '24 Duke 390. I agree, the RC390 needs to be updated. I also think they should punch it up to 500cc, but leave it a light slim single. The current engine feels pretty damn slow on a faired bike. The new '24 Duke engine though feels pretty good on a naked bike for tighter backroads and ripping around town. If they would get the RC up to 55 horsepower or so, and keep the weight about where it currently is, it would be enough to make it fun even on track.
KTM still comes with an aluminium swing arm which looks more neat than the boxy shaped swing arms of others plus their exhausts looks nice and ByBre is By Brembo which is again good
x-owner of a svart401. it's not just hp and techs. rc is probably the lightest in the group (and still has room for improvement). Being the only thumper also gives it a unique character. Just keep the price and the weight low, let the fat ninja play its game, there is the 450ss to bother kawi. (not hating on Kawis, I love their bikes too)
Bought my first bike last week 77 Suzuki gt185 and omg I can not recommend it more a lil street legal 2stroke best thing ever I love it more than anything can’t get it past 70 but that’s ok with me
Here in South Africa, people are riding mostly the larger cc bikes BMW GS1250 for example or 650 sized bikes. I just bought a versys x-300 which is childs-play but such a fun bike. My other bikes are all 650 sized.
For those racing slow bikes fast the rc is the only new option. The 400 is no more, the 500, Aprilia and cfmoto don't have race parts. Is the rc upper the displacement to the Duke 399 we'd have a clear winner
I think that the ninja 400 is allround better than the RC390, in terms of "rideability", comfort, reliability and some other stuff. But on performing on the track, I think RC beats ninja. Never ridden a ninja tho.,@@titancodm1098
any 400cc fast sports bike is a elite bike in india...its actually cool...its more then enough power for me who live in Ooty cold beautiful mountains...so alot of twists and turns...390 is enough...like you can't even use the full power of a 155cc sports bike cause i ain't got no that much road for me...all curves and bends and corners...so yeah...390 is like a super bike
The problem I see here is the 35kw A2 limit. The whole EU market is lost for bikes with slightly higher power output. Sure they can sell 35kw versions but that's like shooting into your own leg.
Prototypes of a RC990 have been spotted testing 3 or 4 times in the past 2 years with the first time being January 2022, only days after they started testing the now released Duke 990, and the latest one being in late July this year. So with that we might see a 2024 release although obviously nothing has been confirmed yet, all we have is spy shots from a couple different road tests but it's looking like a really nice bike with lots of visual inspiration from the RC8C. It will likely share a lot with the Duke so it won't be a full on supersport in terms of ergonomics but it should still make a really fun bike
Even if KTM release a updated RC390 to a RC450 with the engine in the CFMOTO 450SS. I'd still take a Ninja 400 if I was a beginner getting my 1st bike. Also with the release of the 2024 Ninja 500 there will definitely be deals on unsold 2023 Ninja 400s. Albeit those deals may only be a few hundred dollars, it's still saving you a little. It's still the GOAT of beginner bikes.
The Cfmoto or a KTM equivalent 450 is a better bike. But it's the known reliability, brand and dealer network as well as resale values that keep people buying the ninja. It's still not the best bike though. But any new rider would be happy with either. I think it's more about which of these fits you the best rather than the performance
idk why honda didn't bring CBR 250rr to other region as 300rr and replace the current CBR 300r since it's pretty popular in SEA market. the CBR 250rr uses Paralel Twin engine and make around 40HP which probably can be a bit competitive to rc390 and Ninja 400
RC390 likely won't be replaced anytime soon. Here's why: Focus on new riders: KTM targets beginner riders who want a sporty motorcycle to learn on. This niche market ensures a steady stream of interested buyers, even if it doesn't compete with bigger bikes. New generation of riders, there will always be young people who are new to motorcycles and to the RC390's sporty look and feel. So, even if it doesn't appeal to experienced riders, the RC390 caters to a specific group that will keep it relevant for a long time.
Good video. But.. two elephants in the room, imho need to be mentioned: aprilia 457 and kawasaki zx4. First lighter version of rs660, second - speed devil with inline 4. 400-500 cc rookie sportbikes niche is too saturated with the offer. And some rumors about cfmoto sr500…. I think only right thing, what can do orange - put new motor (399cc) in rc390.
In Serbia both bikes are 7500€, but i got a deal for 7000€+ free quickshifter(180€) Really like the bike but sr 450 was recently on a discount for only 5500😬 Kinnda regret not buying the cfmoto
@@Shketri94you shouldn’t here in greece 🇬🇷 the price of cf moto is 6000 and ktm rc 390 7000 i regret buying the cf moto way to heavy bike and its not balanced at all when you drive the thing especially in high traffic is unbelievable bad .., and i compare the driving and everything to the rc390 2021 model that my brother has and we exchange bikes for a week
I guesstimate a Duke 490 and RC490 being made from borrowing the CFMoto 450ss engine platform. Also, I would love a new svartpilen or vitpilen. Realistically a svart or vit 801 or 901. But my fantasy, a svart or vit 1301 or possibly 1401 now that the SD 1390 exist.
If you want to buy vehicles above 300 se 400 cc spiet bike then everyone prefers to buy KTM.If there were service centers in the capital of every state of India or in a big city of the state, then everyone could take it, it is quite affordable.Yes, if you have less money then you can buy second hand.
Screw the RS457. It’ll prob be great as a used bike a few years from now, but there’s no way I’d buy one new. It’s neutered in stock form, and you have to spend more money and jeopardize your warranty to uncork the ECU.
Here is a brief explanation why royal enfield is doing as i understand when you go to purchase other bike(question and thoughtprocess in mind):- 1) will it be high on price (buying and maintaining) 2)will it be easier to mod and upgradeand will it be available localyor widely plus moding cost will set me how much 3)will it last long miles i.e road trip etc 4) can it go off-road, motorways, highways etc 5)if it fall or cause problem will I be able to fix it or will it set me back a bunch 6) will it be economical in todays world etc when you going to buy royal enfield with experice of your own or from a trusted person (question and thoughtprocess in mind)::- many of the above question but the answer is abously positive as from experince of the person or the trusted source and wmost importantly will it be as i want so you see royal enfield is trying to set a base that some of above question in future will become like water only thing you will be i your mind will be how can i make it mine company thought process as an Indian company not much in R&d Money so will have to squeeze more from the current available engines and it also alows what the customer wants as a whole not this my product buy it like others do, company is doing its R&d very slowly but effectively like in case of himalayan Scrrambler 411and Himalayan 450 and try to getmore cc without leting the customer base goas in India customer is close to god!!!
Ninja 400 is way more reliable than the RC 390. I've ridden both hard on track and the 400 does better, in my honest opinion. More parts/mods/track ready stuff readily available.
@@Maree_Customstotally agree- what’s a damn shame tho is no other Japanese mfr. is going after that fun class. Tis the same for me with cars…. I’ve had vettes, z28- exotic German =$$ & Jags. I have a new Miata now. Reliability is a bfd as is quality build. Happy Newyear🏌️♂️
Kawasaki, CFmoto/probably KTM , and Aprillia are making 450 light weight bikes therefore the most lightweight classes will most likely adjust to a 450cc limit so honda just needs to cut there CBR 500 "which is 471cc" down 21cc to fit in
Considering economies are looking to get worse you'll start to see a new range of smaller bikes and these will become the mid-tier bikes. I'm just guessing of course
Honda doesn't need to do shit. The bike makes perfect 0.2kW/kg, won't get more power because of this. And will not get lighter because of this. If they put a 270° crank it's the bike to keep for life. They could also then just offer a quickshifter, and maybe suspension and brake upgrade kits. You really don't need more bike that what it already has been since 2015. And it needs a rear tire hugger..
the RC390's biggest problem is the gearing. the 6th gear is useless. If the rev drops below 6k RMP at any speed, it will take a long time for it to come back up. This makes it almost unusable on highways. Imagine you have to down shift with every bit of application of brakes. I don't have to imagine cause I have one. And the stock brake is shit. and the size it chose makes it very hard to find an after market replacement for the caliper. Although I managed to find one form Taiwan. Other than that, all good.
Maybe is time to upgrade to the Ninja 500, from what i've heard it's got great torque, good on the highway. The RC390 was one of my favorite small bikes for a while until the Ninja 500 came out, 51 hp and 31.7. ft. lbs. torque
@@byhsu6140 thanks for the suggestion. But there are a few things I have to have as a proper sports bike. USD fork, radial caliper and aluminum swing arm. I’m actually looking at the ninja 400rr with fondness and the Aprillia RS475. These if I want to stay on small bikes. And the coming KTM RC990 if they can sort out their current organizational mess.
I'm very disappointed It was supposed to be a 4 stroke version of the rgv 250 It's overweight and underpowered 50+ hp and sub 350 lb READY TO RIDE weight is the benchmark
can you please buy the cr700w rotary engine bike and review it, I know you have the money for it, I would love to see an in depth analysis of the bike and a track day test would be awesome too bro
Aprilla's RS457 looks outstanding for a beginner bike and if it performs as good as it looks it's going to be a excellent beginner bike.
So does a CF 450SS but cheaper.
@@hexagonosaurus5848As of now the 450SS is $8000 CAD at my local dealer and the RS457 should come in around $9000 CAD so for an extra $1000 I would much rather have an Italian motorcycle made in India then something made by CF moto in china. I am a firm believer in you get what you pay for.
@@hexagonosaurus5848yeah but it’s made In China with no racing pedigree nor experience as Aprilia….or championships in WSBK and Moto GP….. 🤔
you guys have 450cc bikes as beginners damn. Here it is 100-125cc (I'm from India)
@@Cmsant At this point I'm honestly not convinced that made in china is worse than made in italy
Yammi Noob last week: this bike is peak beginer bike!! how could it get any better???
Yammi Noob this week: this bike is done, they better update...
Actually. The CFmoto 450 engine was born for the ktm "490" lineup and husqvarna 501 line, but that project was discontinued and now we have the 450SR and 450MT instead of a RC490, 490 adventure , etc.
Also the 450nk
I really doubt that the project is "dead" looking at how many people like the cf-moto's engine.
Also with them adding 100 to every 690,790,890.990 duke every half a year. I don't see why they wouldn't give the small bike a bump.
This is what I also had thought the first time I read that CF Moto has a 450 in development since there was a lot of talk about a ktm 490 before there was a cfmoto 450
Damnn
I owned a 1st gen 390 ,boy it was a blast . popping
wheelie at will even in 3rd gear . recently got to ride a new one it feels more civilized ,still fast but chained down.
For a single, that motor is a lot of fun. Even better when it's got a FuelX on it. KTM keeps doing little upgrades here and there which is great for the bikes. Can't wait for the new 390ADV.
I agree! I own one of these RC390's in the GP colors and the FuelxLite I installed on it really brings the power to life in this motorcycle!
a poor single cylinder on a high price spells cheaply intended build for profit. wahahaha
@@UNBIASEDCOMMENTPrice depends on the market. It's one of the cheapest motorcycle in it's class whereas the ninja 400 costs a way lot more than a ktm 390
@@wokeydokey6885 i wont buy a single cylinder 400 cc bike just for a famous brand. no one is gonna fool me buying an ordinary rock telling me it is a gold nugget because it is ktm brand. Dont tell me you would still be happy if ktm is still using outdated parts and a cheap build single cylinder. i could buy a twin cylinder 270 degree crank premium build cf moto 450 sr with the price of your ktm.
Still prefer the original fairings of the rc390, but it's such an awesome little bike
I think they made it bulkier for more wind protection and aerodynamics. Probably also so it looks more 'substantial' as that sells bikes. So many people buy the CBR because it feels like more bike
@chrispekel5709 which cbr? The 300? And maybe? But I'm 6'3 and the original rc390 definitely didn't feel that small, and it looked sportier than the new one IMHO
Didn't like the old fairings. Present fairings is waaay better. Just a matter of preference though😊
The 390 was my first bike that I bought last May and I love it!! I wish it had a little more power just for the highway commute but yes a small update would go a long way! I'm excited to see what they do next!!
So do you think a 790 would had been a better first bike for you to learn and grow with or the 390 is still the better option to learn on? I’m looking for my first gas bike , I have electric moped that has more low torque which I handle well, everyone saying the 390 is a good beginner but I feel I way out grow it in 6 months or more ..
@@obeii1805 I would say it depends on how tall/ how much you weigh. I would not have enjoyed having that much more powerful of a bike for my first just because of the acceleration and torque is already really good! The only thing I would have enjoyed more was having a higher top speed so I don't feel like I'm maxing out the bike lol! I am 5'11" and weigh 200 pounds for reference. But honestly I love my 390 and I'll probably have it for a couple more years before wanting to change just to really get all the training I can out of it!
@@Crazy6117 yea I think imma get the 2024 it has more power than the older gen and I see it goes 75-80 with no hardship
@@obeii1805 I've been thinking also if you wanted just a little more power I know the 650 Honda's are really nice that could be a great option for you and pretty much anything in the 60 HP range I think would be plenty of power to keep you satisfied for a while!!
@@Crazy6117 I was looking at a vfr800 for highway . How do the duke handle 40 miles on 70mph highway?
I would put an 450cc single cylinder from exc but with less power/maintenance. I mean, the 450 exc produce 57hp... I think it could be awesome keep the 1 cylinder essence!
I've been saying that for years!
If Honda, Suzuki, etc... just put a 450 motocross engine in a small sport bike.
The ninja 400 is pretty close.
The twin is actually better for road use for sure.
But a crf450r motor in a CBR300 would be awesome.
35ft-lbs.
bajaj owns 48% shares of KTM
bajaj also make sportbikes like- pulsar rs200,pulsar ns200,pulsar125,pulsar150,pulsar220,pulsar220f,ns160,ns125,dominar250,dominar400,pulsarN160,pulsarN250,pulsarF250 and they recently updated all of the bikes And the bajaj pulsar is the series but dominar not in this series have an other series of bajaj dominar250 dominar400 this bikes in this series
Gen3 is updated isn't it? The Duke is updated to 399cc
Watch the whole video
The duke also got an insane looks upgrade
Despite the RC getting 1/4 the updates as the duke, they'll at the very minimum put the same engine on both bikes soon.@@tanaypisal2296
Superbly smooth narration.
I see a RC the odd morning parked in a secondary school) (middle school in the States) car park.
Geography teacher fronting as a squid. Dainese leathers in class.
Here in the Philippines, all bikes with ~400cc+ are considered 'big bike".
Because they are.
People who don't know how to ride will tell you that you need a 1000cc
400cc+ are big bikes for most of the world.
I got a 2023 rc390, it is a great bike and has helped me build great confidence on bikes
Well since I heard about the specs on the soon to be launched Aprilia rs457 and the price it will be launched at, it seems like THE bike to get in the segment... at least to me.
My neighbor just got this bike brand new this summer wrecked it a month and a half later. I’m certain he’s a new rider. Good looking bike though!
Yam Looks exactly like the Drummer from "Thy art is murder" named "Jesse beahler". Its actually insane
I was told by someone that they were working on a rc 690 a few years ago but I never heard anything more about it. They were trying to keep it under $10000 but that was before this crazy ass inflation.
Inflation or the fact that the 690 is now a 790, i mean 890.
Wait no 990 now.
Also I have a ridden an A2-limitet Duke 790 and the power and acceleration was just crazy. They only capped the peak power down to 45hp but the low and mid-rev pull was unchanged from the unrestricted version. So it accelerated like there is no tomorrow. So at least in EU there is no point to offer bikes that are marginally more powerful that the A2 limit of 45hp.
I think Bajaj should sell there Dominor 400 in European countries , it's a touring bike which comes with same KTM 373cc engine but with a warranty of 75,000km/3yrs, which is far more than any Japanese bike, or the BMW 310r faired bike
Wait till you learn about the new NS400
Hehe
i really❤ loved the part where you mention indian bajaj auto and ktm together❤
The ktm will still be king at what it orginiallt tried to be, best in the a2 category, its horsepower is right at the limit, most 500 sportbikes and the cf450ss are not a2 compliant, thats where the ktm will shine
I thinks, Duke 390 are already updated with a 398.63 cc LC4C engine.
That engine will probably make it to the RC390 in a year or so
I was actually half sleeping. This tripped me out like crazy
same dude lol
Update or maybe down date the rc, the older version looks so much better
Eww
Yam, you have convinced me that I want a smaller bike. I’ve owned 4 600 sport bikes, including my current RS660 which I bought last year after selling my zx6r. Now that I’ve actually become a decent rider and can push the bike more in the corners, I realize how little I’m touching my aprilia’s potential, and how much better I could be on a small bike. Alas, I’m not made of money. But someday I want a little bike to thrash around! The RS feels slow on the highway, but wicked fast in the canyons (she is NOT stock). I may have dreamed of liter bikes in the past, but I don’t think I’ll ever own one… well, maybe when I’m old and have money for track days and tires 😅
lmao that ending got me feeling like I'm stuck in the Matrix now.
KTM is updating the RC390 with the new Dukes 399 single cylinder engine. Same hp, a little bit more Torque. Also theyre changing the looks to make it look appear like the 1st gen
Where is the new Duke engine improved?
Good to know it's an Indian made and designed motorcycle, I had no idea and is enough to cross KTM off the list.
TFT Display
Fully adjustable 43mm suspension
320 mm 4 piston radial brakes with super moto abs
230 mm rear brakes
Adjustable levers
Somehow in my country is 500 usd cheaper than the Ninja 400
But 300 usd more expensive than the 450SR (which is what the 450SS is called here)
So it's really really dependent on the market.
The rc390 is almost the same price as the 450ss in Canada
I had a '22 or '23 RC 390, and just bought a '24 Duke 390. I agree, the RC390 needs to be updated. I also think they should punch it up to 500cc, but leave it a light slim single. The current engine feels pretty damn slow on a faired bike. The new '24 Duke engine though feels pretty good on a naked bike for tighter backroads and ripping around town. If they would get the RC up to 55 horsepower or so, and keep the weight about where it currently is, it would be enough to make it fun even on track.
KTM still comes with an aluminium swing arm which looks more neat than the boxy shaped swing arms of others plus their exhausts looks nice and ByBre is By Brembo which is again good
It is casual in in India. Not a big deal 🙌. I love it because what it offers unmatched in this category.
They are launching new Rc 390 in india with 400cc engine that makes 46hp and 40nm torque with whole new design and looks..
When
No theyre not, thats the duke
x-owner of a svart401.
it's not just hp and techs.
rc is probably the lightest in the group (and still has room for improvement). Being the only thumper also gives it a unique character.
Just keep the price and the weight low, let the fat ninja play its game, there is the 450ss to bother kawi.
(not hating on Kawis, I love their bikes too)
Bought my first bike last week 77 Suzuki gt185 and omg I can not recommend it more a lil street legal 2stroke best thing ever I love it more than anything can’t get it past 70 but that’s ok with me
I don't like how 2t's sound
Wait until youbfind out about aprilia rs250s or even shhhhh honda nsr 500s
@@tone-em1lv love em america never got them 😞
Here in South Africa, people are riding mostly the larger cc bikes BMW GS1250 for example or 650 sized bikes. I just bought a versys x-300 which is childs-play but such a fun bike. My other bikes are all 650 sized.
the current generation RC390 looks ugly, but the previous version 2015 to 2019 RC version looks cool and sharp
Great video. I love this type of motorcycle concept. Would love to see more comparisons of beginner bikes.
Rc450 would be a fun bike. The 390 is such a fun bike. So so light and nimble. I love mine. Some more hp is all that bike is missing
A2 power limit is 45hp so there is no point to offer a 50hp street-legal bike anywhere in Europe...
Now, Can i buy 2022 rc 390 or should I wait for new rc 390 arrival.
Please reply brother.♥️
your better of with a rs457
I'd rather get the duke390 over the rc, it looks alot better.
And I like sportsbikes
For those racing slow bikes fast the rc is the only new option. The 400 is no more, the 500, Aprilia and cfmoto don't have race parts. Is the rc upper the displacement to the Duke 399 we'd have a clear winner
rc390 dominates the sub 400cc class. performs better than all with the exception of the zx4rr.
And the ninja 400 too.
And honestly the cbr500r (despite yammies propaganda), you're not getting a fuller bike that what it is for the money.@@titancodm1098
I think that the ninja 400 is allround better than the RC390, in terms of "rideability", comfort, reliability and some other stuff. But on performing on the track, I think RC beats ninja. Never ridden a ninja tho.,@@titancodm1098
That picture at 11:37 was taken from Apex Cycle, a powersports dealer in Cambridge Ontario. I knew that photo looked familiar haha
You are totally right
KTM needs an RC inline.
any 400cc fast sports bike is a elite bike in india...its actually cool...its more then enough power for me who live in Ooty cold beautiful mountains...so alot of twists and turns...390 is enough...like you can't even use the full power of a 155cc sports bike cause i ain't got no that much road for me...all curves and bends and corners...so yeah...390 is like a super bike
The rs 457 is almost a grand more than the rc 390
And costs 1lakh more😂😂😂
@@UNQbiker0008 that's what i said
are all of these new more powerful bikes still a2 compliant?
They will update it later this year with the new Duke 399cc engine.
I love this bike but I hate that the nose and headlight seem to be on a larger proportion scale than the rest of the bike.
The problem I see here is the 35kw A2 limit. The whole EU market is lost for bikes with slightly higher power output. Sure they can sell 35kw versions but that's like shooting into your own leg.
7th?
KTM needs a mid class sport bike.
That’s it.
Happy Holidays!!
Prototypes of a RC990 have been spotted testing 3 or 4 times in the past 2 years with the first time being January 2022, only days after they started testing the now released Duke 990, and the latest one being in late July this year.
So with that we might see a 2024 release although obviously nothing has been confirmed yet, all we have is spy shots from a couple different road tests but it's looking like a really nice bike with lots of visual inspiration from the RC8C. It will likely share a lot with the Duke so it won't be a full on supersport in terms of ergonomics but it should still make a really fun bike
Yeah but it's defo not getting a new enigne considering that the facelifted duke didn't@@robinv2758
There are leaks already about the new 399 engine on the RC390 with new fairing.
What do the leaks say? Still a single?
@@irocss85 They're oil leaks
Is the new 399cc on the duke a twin, no. Do you think the rc will get something else?@@irocss85
5:51 Still your opinion is very wrong!
The best is the 450SR-S. Just wait for it in North American market, but other people are already enjoying it.
The Ninja 400 is $10,000 . That is expensive for a beginner bike.
In India you will get z900 or zx4rr at that price
They need to take the cf motos twin 450
Yammie what about the new Svartpilen 401
They are actually updating already, maybe they will launch this year or next year
Even if KTM release a updated RC390 to a RC450 with the engine in the CFMOTO 450SS. I'd still take a Ninja 400 if I was a beginner getting my 1st bike. Also with the release of the 2024 Ninja 500 there will definitely be deals on unsold 2023 Ninja 400s. Albeit those deals may only be a few hundred dollars, it's still saving you a little. It's still the GOAT of beginner bikes.
Unsold ninja 400s ? Where ?! Brand new Ninjas have been sold out where i live for months !! And aftermarket prices on them are crazy so gl.
@@4SkinMenace True their usually already sold-out before they reach a dealership. Yet where I am there are still 5 or 6 new 400s as of Saturday.
The Cfmoto or a KTM equivalent 450 is a better bike. But it's the known reliability, brand and dealer network as well as resale values that keep people buying the ninja. It's still not the best bike though. But any new rider would be happy with either. I think it's more about which of these fits you the best rather than the performance
The zx4rr will kill a ninja 500, but man are they expensive
for a few hundred dollars you are better off with the new Ninja 500 with upgraded instrument panel, more horsepower and more torque.
idk why honda didn't bring CBR 250rr to other region as 300rr and replace the current CBR 300r since it's pretty popular in SEA market. the CBR 250rr uses Paralel Twin engine and make around 40HP which probably can be a bit competitive to rc390 and Ninja 400
just bring a all black version and people will go crazy!!
To be honest... People would still go for the RC390 over the RS457 in India, for one and only one reason: It's cheaper to buy and maintain
Now we need gen 3 rc 390
The 2024 duke 390 has the adjustable wp front forks!!
RC390 likely won't be replaced anytime soon. Here's why:
Focus on new riders: KTM targets beginner riders who want a sporty motorcycle to learn on. This niche market ensures a steady stream of interested buyers, even if it doesn't compete with bigger bikes. New generation of riders, there will always be young people who are new to motorcycles and to the RC390's sporty look and feel. So, even if it doesn't appeal to experienced riders, the RC390 caters to a specific group that will keep it relevant for a long time.
Have you met the 1390 super duke, or the incoming rc990? Beginer bikea my ass🤣
can you make a review of dominar 400
Still waiting for a non lams aproved rc, like an rc690
Good video. But.. two elephants in the room, imho need to be mentioned: aprilia 457 and kawasaki zx4. First lighter version of rs660, second - speed devil with inline 4. 400-500 cc rookie sportbikes niche is too saturated with the offer. And some rumors about cfmoto sr500…. I think only right thing, what can do orange - put new motor (399cc) in rc390.
KTM release price for 2024 in my country (Czechia, EU) -> 8 050,33 $
It´s nearly same price as Honda CBR500R (8095,33 $)
In Serbia both bikes are 7500€, but i got a deal for 7000€+ free quickshifter(180€)
Really like the bike but sr 450 was recently on a discount for only 5500😬
Kinnda regret not buying the cfmoto
@@Shketri94you shouldn’t here in greece 🇬🇷 the price of cf moto is 6000 and ktm rc 390 7000 i regret buying the cf moto way to heavy bike and its not balanced at all when you drive the thing especially in high traffic is unbelievable bad .., and i compare the driving and everything to the rc390 2021 model that my brother has and we exchange bikes for a week
RC 390 with an all new 400cc engine is coming.
I guesstimate a Duke 490 and RC490 being made from borrowing the CFMoto 450ss engine platform.
Also, I would love a new svartpilen or vitpilen. Realistically a svart or vit 801 or 901. But my fantasy, a svart or vit 1301 or possibly 1401 now that the SD 1390 exist.
The Svartpilen / Vitpilen 801's just came out
yammie now aims the indian community specifically
If you want to buy vehicles above 300 se 400 cc spiet bike then everyone prefers to buy KTM.If there were service centers in the capital of every state of India or in a big city of the state, then everyone could take it, it is quite affordable.Yes, if you have less money then you can buy second hand.
Screw the RS457. It’ll prob be great as a used bike a few years from now, but there’s no way I’d buy one new. It’s neutered in stock form, and you have to spend more money and jeopardize your warranty to uncork the ECU.
They're still and will be profitable in Asians markets for a reeeeeal loooooong time!
What about Aprilia RS 457 ?
Here is a brief explanation why royal enfield is doing as i understand
when you go to purchase other bike(question and thoughtprocess in mind):-
1) will it be high on price (buying and maintaining)
2)will it be easier to mod and upgradeand will it be available localyor widely plus moding cost will set me how much
3)will it last long miles i.e road trip etc
4) can it go off-road, motorways, highways etc
5)if it fall or cause problem will I be able to fix it or will it set me back a bunch
6) will it be economical in todays world
etc
when you going to buy royal enfield with experice of your own or from a trusted person (question and thoughtprocess in mind)::-
many of the above question but the answer is abously positive as from experince of the person or the trusted source and wmost importantly will it be as i want
so you see royal enfield is trying to set a base that some of above question in future will become like water only thing you will be i your mind will be how can i make it mine
company thought process as an Indian company not much in R&d Money so will have to squeeze more from the current available engines and it also alows what the customer wants as a whole not this my product buy it like others do, company is doing its R&d very slowly but effectively like in case of himalayan Scrrambler 411and Himalayan 450 and try to getmore cc without leting the customer base goas in India customer is close to god!!!
said to see Bajaj - KTM scrapped the twin cylinder below 500cc plan.😢
upcoming RC will have Same single cylinder 399cc engine found in Gen3 Duke.
Apparently they're planning a 690 twin so, all's not lost
Now, Can i buy 2022 ninja 400 or should I wait for new rc 390 arrival.
go for the ninja400 for reliability man. that's what im gonna do.
Ninja 400 is way more reliable than the RC 390. I've ridden both hard on track and the 400 does better, in my honest opinion. More parts/mods/track ready stuff readily available.
@@Maree_Customstotally agree- what’s a damn shame tho is no other Japanese mfr. is going after that fun class.
Tis the same for me with cars…. I’ve had vettes, z28- exotic German =$$ & Jags.
I have a new Miata now. Reliability is a bfd as is quality build.
Happy Newyear🏌️♂️
Gen 3 duke 390 not available in United States?
Damn 😩 i really REALLY wanted to wake up mannn
It could be updated with the new engine of 2023 390 Duke with all the new features
With more features of the engine, you mean the extra displacement?
Yes the new 399 cc engine @@Daniel-dj7fh
Kawasaki, CFmoto/probably KTM , and Aprillia are making 450 light weight bikes therefore the most lightweight classes will most likely adjust to a 450cc limit so honda just needs to cut there CBR 500 "which is 471cc" down 21cc to fit in
Considering economies are looking to get worse you'll start to see a new range of smaller bikes and these will become the mid-tier bikes. I'm just guessing of course
Honda doesn't need to do shit. The bike makes perfect 0.2kW/kg, won't get more power because of this. And will not get lighter because of this.
If they put a 270° crank it's the bike to keep for life. They could also then just offer a quickshifter, and maybe suspension and brake upgrade kits. You really don't need more bike that what it already has been since 2015.
And it needs a rear tire hugger..
You mean like 125cc bikes, which have been around since who knows what. Or 50cc's being the "beginner" category.@@chrispekel5709
@@Daniel-dj7fhwhat is a rear tire hugger ? I have a CBR500r . It’s a good bike , I jus wish it was a bit faster
yeah maybe I have looked into pretty much everything but the CBR 500@@Daniel-dj7fh
The quickshifter Ktm has for these is awful
the RC390's biggest problem is the gearing. the 6th gear is useless. If the rev drops below 6k RMP at any speed, it will take a long time for it to come back up. This makes it almost unusable on highways. Imagine you have to down shift with every bit of application of brakes. I don't have to imagine cause I have one. And the stock brake is shit. and the size it chose makes it very hard to find an after market replacement for the caliper. Although I managed to find one form Taiwan. Other than that, all good.
Maybe is time to upgrade to the Ninja 500, from what i've heard it's got great torque, good on the highway. The RC390 was one of my favorite small bikes for a while until the Ninja 500 came out, 51 hp and 31.7. ft. lbs. torque
@@byhsu6140 thanks for the suggestion. But there are a few things I have to have as a proper sports bike. USD fork, radial caliper and aluminum swing arm. I’m actually looking at the ninja 400rr with fondness and the Aprillia RS475. These if I want to stay on small bikes. And the coming KTM RC990 if they can sort out their current organizational mess.
I'm very disappointed
It was supposed to be a 4 stroke version of the rgv 250
It's overweight and underpowered
50+ hp and sub 350 lb READY TO RIDE weight is the benchmark
It's too ugly for most people and they need to do something about it. Great to ride one but it's still ugly
I was to high for the end of this video.
KTM has a 500cc 270 crank degree twin cylinder engine, CF Moto is using a 450 version of it.
Which bike is it in?
@@chrispekel5709 it's not, they have designed and built prototypes, but never used.
waaw, I bet BMW has a flat6 GS prototype somewhere too@@cirian75
@@Daniel-dj7fh google "490 ktm cancelled"
also forgot to tell with the price you are paying to get the int 650 on road with all taxes in India we can buy 2 and a half int 650!!!!!
If there’s anyone out there who shouldn’t be reviewing this bike it’s you
can you please buy the cr700w rotary engine bike and review it, I know you have the money for it, I would love to see an in depth analysis of the bike and a track day test would be awesome too bro
obviously it gonna get new 399cc engine as KTM nolonger manufacture 373cc engine, and new headlight, fairing like all other 390 series
thoughts on the aprilia rs457?
as a beekeeper and Moto pasionate I confirm the fact in the end of the video is legit they smell banana when they are about to attack
2 cylinders for KTM RC 390 and make it 400cc
They in fact did not update the RC390.
Why am I developing a taste for KTMs….
Sadly RS457 already dethroned it
Nah
If it were a parallel twin