Just as Jesus and Paul and Gabriel Prophesied there are many Amazing things that must happen as Prophesied in Scripture before the Children of God will all Together be Raptured from this earth up into the Clouds so as to Meet Jesus! may we all Trust the Men of God in Scripture and not the deceptive words of man! Jesus and Paul as well as Gabriel never ever lied about all that we must see before we are all Raptured!
Thank you for at least challenging the “Imminent Return” teachings. We have been taught for so long that the return could happen at any second. But there are things that must happen first. I would like to hear you clarify “tribulation” also. I personally believe we will be here through, at least, the seal judgements. Wrath starts after the seal judgements. Before naysayers try to blast me on this, read 2 Thessalonians 2:2-4, then Mathew 24, and finally Daniel 9. Paul tells us Apostasy, Antichrist, then Rapture! Jesus tells us to look for the Abomination of Desolation in Daniel, and Daniel tells us the Abomination will happen midway through the final seven years!
People let's not argue over when the Rapture will take place, pre trib, or post trib, that decision is God Almighty, Matthew 24 vs 36, But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. So regardless of our opinion as to when Jesus will come back, to rapture his people away, we don't have any control over when. He told us to make sure we are prepared for his arrival.
The rapture is not true, nor is it Biblical. Worth listening to Kobus van Rensburg "Are you still looking for the rapture?" ua-cam.com/video/LX_6Uep8LAI/v-deo.html
Hi Sarah, No we are back at Church. However we are requiring people to register before the service and have limited spaces available. Check out our website for registration details. We look forward to seeing you.
The book of Revelation in a nut shell: the beast is the heart of all mankind, hence wicked above all things: Horses (our energy) ancient sword (WORD OF GOD) comes against it and marks the beast for destruction: The beast went through many Kingdoms but it will be overcome by the WORD OF GOD to form MAN within its place: The full stature of the inner man of our heart. Satan (dragon) is the evil root of the tree of knowledge (your mind): Adam didn't choose the good root but he will not overcome the dragon (evil root) without the good root: WHAT IS THE GOOD ROOT? The Messiah, the Christ is the GOOD ROOT of the tree of knowledge, making it a "TREE OF LIFE" to those who grasp truth: THY WORD IS TRUH: Right? So what is the false prophet? God tells you: HE PUT ENMITY between his seed (Christ) and the seed of the serpent: The carnal MIND is enmity with God and can NOT KNOW GOD or the things of God: so you see? We have all three in us to overcome: The carnal mind that doesn't know God: THE beastly heart (desires for self only) and where they come from, the dragon, the EVIL ROOT(crooked will/serpent) Adam chose and the love of money and this world are from the root of all evil: Christ is the GOOD ROOT (that comes through David/ Judah, the GOOD GROUND of our heart (Mark 4) and he is born through it, John 16: Pray and ask the LORD
Jesus alreády overcame all of what you shared! IT IS FINISHED! We now walk in our inheritance which Jesus has accomplished not only fór us, but also ín us! We are declared holy, worthy, innocent in His eyes and right with God. The Father gave His gift of righteousness* to everyone who believes in His Son! *(as if we've never sinned). Gal 2:16 👌🐑👏
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it. The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God. Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. "It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view." The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197. The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
God bless you finely preaching on the cross and the blood. I have a song concerning the blood a collaboration Just a piece of the song I'll try to recover the rest in my files Through the blood of Jesus we have the victory Through the blood of Jesus We have been set free Primary chores You are the way the Truth the life you are the way the Truth the life You are the way the truth the life Secondary chores Jesus Through your blood the battle is won Jesus Through your blood the battle is won 1/2 speed the battle is won
The Apostle Paul said it best when he said Jesus is NOT COMING to GATHER the Church to Himself until the Apostasy and the Revealing of the Man of Lawlessness takes place first whom Jesus destroys with the very Brightness of His COMING! Paul said Jesus COMING to GATHER the Church to Himself will only take place AFTER the Working of Satan! Jesus Himself said that many things must happen before we are to ever begin Looking Up! Gabriel Prophesied what must be seen before Jesus will be Coming!
When looking at the Rapture, one must not isolate it from previously established norms found in scripture. Who will be involved? I think David Reid of Columbus Bible Church did a good job ferreting-out just how massive the Rapture may be, based on God's grace to youth in time past, and the fair and loving aspect of the 'age of accountability' being trans-dispensational in nature. The only concrete age we can see repeated in scripture is the age of 20. If that sounds too late to anyone, let it be stated here that God's grace is greater than ours. We think we judge righteously by saying it varies person by person, but even we do not give jay-walking tickets to 15-year old's or lock-away children with misdemeanour's for lengthy periods since their hearts and minds are still unhardened and hold redemption potential. There but for the grace of God go i. ;-) Permit me to continue, if I may.. If we suppose those who are 'in-Christ' constitute under 5% of humanity, and add population ratios of those under 20, then upwards of 2-billion will be caught-up in the Rapture. For those left behind, to recover from such a sad population shock, while still remaining rebellious toward God, there has to be some or all factors at play: 1) a global catastrophe to give the event a large blanket of distraction, or 2) a great resentment toward God for removing all the children, or 3) a greater all-pervasive presence of a new world religion to explain away why snatchers took all the children away. Feel free to add a few other plausible reasons.. If we are honest, I think we have not yet seen that later religious point mature quite enough, so be on the lookout for more setups like: 1) the possible destruction of Damascus, 2) the building of the temple under Vatican-Ecumenical agreements, 3) the fall or split-up of Islam, 4) the 'world woke church' in league with Rome and Orthodox groups, 5) more visible sign's in the heavens and global paranormal activity. This is just food for thought, and like any tertiary idea or teaching, it must be held 'at arms length'. My thoughts have been that the covering 'big event' (making the Rapture look secondary) and the aftermath *will endure no more than 13-years until something provokes the tribulation starting agreement* with Israel and the Anti-Christ. This would befit a gracious God Not imputing sin onto any future children born into that chaotic and horrendous period, because by the time Christ returns, they will have died in innocence already, or not have reached the age of accountability (20) and therefore be among those passing on to live in the Millennial period. - Grace and peace! If you are under 20, please don't wait! Trust Christ's provision made for your sins before it's everlasting too late!
@@squirreljones3595 Amen Squirrel, Jesus made it Clear to all Churches that we who Partake in the FIRST RESURRECTION are Blessed and Holy! Paul made it 100% Clear that we must Partake in the RESURRECTION before we are all Together Raptured to Meet Jesus!
@@squirreljones3595 No one is raptured and went to heaven in Rev 20:4. Instead they reign with Christ for a thousand years after coming to life. Let's take a look at the details of who's going to come to life in that verse from the KJV. Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were a) *beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,* and b) *which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image,* c) *neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;* and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. It's crystal clear to me that *these are not the "dead in Christ" in 1Thess **4:16**.* Rather they are those who died/beheaded during the 7-year tribulation. Many of these are the souls under the altar in Rev 6:9 when the 5th seal is opened. *Sorry, there's no rapture after the tribulation.*
@@JesseMgala Daniel 12 2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting Life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Sounds the same as the Second death Revelation 20 12-15 Double check the letters to the 7 churches Christians don't get to hijack the saints reward Revelation 20 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again till the thousand years have finished. This is the First Resurrection Why would John say LIVE again That doesn't sound like Second death Dosen't First mean First Isn't dead people rising a Resurrection Paul and John are both right Of course Dead in CHRIST means tribulation saint Persecution coming, Keep the Faith Jesus is Truth
@@squirreljones3595 The dead in Christ Paul talked about in 1Thess 4:13-16 are not those beheaded during the tribulation in Rev 20:4 because those said dead in Christ were already dead or asleep when Paul wrote his first letter to the Thessalonians. Paul never talked about the tribulation in chapter 4. As I've said, in Rev 20:4, only those died/beheaded during the tribulation will come to life. Daniel 12:2 tells me that old testament saints("thy people," who are the Jews) will be resurrected after the time of trouble which to me is the tribulation. Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and *there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:* and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Matthew 24:21 For *then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,* no, nor ever shall be. The two verses above must be talking about the same event in the future which is the tribulation.
There will be no rapture in our future. No soon coming of Jesus. Jesus is not in Heaven, He is in the kingdom of God. That kingdom came with Jesus at His comming in 70ad. We who are believers are all ready born into that kingdom. The kingdom is forever and we do not die, but live forever in Christ. Oh we do leave this present form in time and we will be changed from mortal to immortality at that future time line. Just so you know, we are all in line, going to that future.
The apostle Paul would disagree with you read Thessalonians both books first Corinthians also chapter 15 . Then go to Daniel 9 and show me where in 70 ad there was a peace covenant with Israel for 7 years and everlasting righteousness has come to the earth .
@@gerard1954 My name is Gerald. Man I do read scripture and everything you pointed to, came to an end in 70AD. Only dead men get resurrected and Christians do not die, we just leave this body in time. Not today I hope. Yah I know, you got caught up in the John Nelson Darby doctrine and just can not see anything else. God is with you so no worries.
@@oldgoldgetter ok the Darby doctrine you need to reserch that some more Darby didn’t come up with that here is a list of people long before Darby and besides I don’t follow some guys teachings Ignatius of Antioch 110 William Sherman 1607-1689 Mather 1639 Morgan Edwards 1722 . Clement of rome 35-101 you see it’s important to have the right information before you assume something . Myself I don’t have opinions that make any matter I get it all from scripture so that becomes in some eyes my opinion because I believe what the scripture says but it’s equally important to know the context and who it is for and when it was written and for what reason so historical information is also important . Paul when he wrote about the rapture always said we who are alive and remain will be caught up to meet the lord in the air 1 thess 4 -14-17 so not everyone dies . And when Paul talked about the great tribulation he always said they he knew he would not be part of that but expected Jesus at any moment so the idea is to be prepared that he could come at any moment ans live as if he could come at any moment that creates the responsibility to tell as many people as possible because when the wrath of God comes nobody needs to go through that . But as far as the 70 th week already done in 70 ad you need to read those scriptures again because there are things that just didn’t take place in 70 ad. Daniel 9:24 that talks about the 70 weeks to end sin and bring everlasting righteousness then 9:26-27 and the people (rome ) of the prince who is to come that’s the antichrist. Now rome destroys the city and the temple . That happened now it says then he shall Confirm a covenant there was no Roman that confirmed any covenant. And he shall bring an end to the daily sacrifices . The temple has already been destroyed so that means there has to be a new temple built in order for that to happen . He confirms a. Covenant with many for one week but in the middle of the week he stands in the holy place that is the holy of holy’s in the third temple which isn’t built yet and Declares him self to be god. This just has not happened. Then in Daniel 12 he talks about what that antichrist will do and what will be happening in the world jesus touches on this in Matt 24-25 . I cor 15 :50-58 I’m not writing this to offend you in any way I just want you to question if what you hold to be right really is because with what you have told me this is not something you would get just out of scripture that was taught to you by people you admire or at least give too much credit to . The Darby comment tells me that and the 70 weeks already done the scripture paints a different story . Harmonize it if your interested in a good solid Bible teacher check real life with jack hibbs and jd Farag both excellent teachers blessings I hope your not offended seeking truth is what we are here to do while we are in these flesh bodies ya know peace
@@gerard1954 Thanks for your reply. I used to follow the same doctrine you aspire to. Not anymore. I believe all of the law and the prophets were fulfilled at the destruction of the Temple in 70ad. Books are being written about this so a few paragraphs on this site can never explain it all. I am a full preterit today. Since salvation is from Jesus, not from doctrine of the end of the age. The Jewish age ended 2000 years ago. The present age of Grace, has no end.
Fantastic msg. Am speaking the blood! PTL
Just as Jesus and Paul and Gabriel Prophesied there are many Amazing things that must happen as Prophesied in Scripture before the Children of God will all Together be Raptured from this earth up into the Clouds so as to Meet Jesus!
may we all Trust the Men of God in Scripture and not the deceptive words of man!
Jesus and Paul as well as Gabriel never ever lied about all that we must see before we are all Raptured!
Thank you for at least challenging the “Imminent Return” teachings. We have been taught for so long that the return could happen at any second. But there are things that must happen first. I would like to hear you clarify “tribulation” also. I personally believe we will be here through, at least, the seal judgements. Wrath starts after the seal judgements.
Before naysayers try to blast me on this, read 2 Thessalonians 2:2-4, then Mathew 24, and finally Daniel 9.
Paul tells us Apostasy, Antichrist, then Rapture! Jesus tells us to look for the Abomination of Desolation in Daniel, and Daniel tells us the Abomination will happen midway through the final seven years!
People let's not argue over when the Rapture will take place, pre trib, or post trib, that decision is God Almighty, Matthew 24 vs 36, But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. So regardless of our opinion as to when Jesus will come back, to rapture his people away, we don't have any control over when. He told us to make sure we are prepared for his arrival.
Do you have teaching on the finished work of the cross & the blood of the new covenant.
Yés! thats the question/focus of the NT !!
The rapture is not true, nor is it Biblical. Worth listening to Kobus van Rensburg "Are you still looking for the rapture?"
ua-cam.com/video/LX_6Uep8LAI/v-deo.html
Do you only have online services now?
Hi Sarah, No we are back at Church. However we are requiring people to register before the service and have limited spaces available. Check out our website for registration details. We look forward to seeing you.
book of Revelation in a nut shell: It is happening and I hope Gods people get on board with it:
The book of Revelation in a nut shell:
the beast is the heart of all mankind, hence wicked above all things: Horses (our energy) ancient sword (WORD OF GOD) comes against it and marks the beast for destruction: The beast went through many Kingdoms but it will be overcome by the WORD OF GOD to form MAN within its place: The full stature of the inner man of our heart.
Satan (dragon) is the evil root of the tree of knowledge (your mind): Adam didn't choose the good root but he will not overcome the dragon (evil root) without the good root: WHAT IS THE GOOD ROOT? The Messiah, the Christ is the GOOD ROOT of the tree of knowledge, making it a "TREE OF LIFE" to those who grasp truth: THY WORD IS TRUH: Right? So what is the false prophet?
God tells you: HE PUT ENMITY between his seed (Christ) and the seed of the serpent: The carnal MIND is enmity with God and can NOT KNOW GOD or the things of God:
so you see? We have all three in us to overcome: The carnal mind that doesn't know God: THE beastly heart (desires for self only) and where they come from, the dragon, the EVIL ROOT(crooked will/serpent) Adam chose and the love of money and this world are from the root of all evil:
Christ is the GOOD ROOT (that comes through David/ Judah, the GOOD GROUND of our heart (Mark 4) and he is born through it, John 16: Pray and ask the LORD
Most of Rev has been fulfilled at the cross of Jesus (móst!). The revelation that Paul received, should be our focus: Christ inside of us! Col 1:26
Jesus alreády overcame all of what you shared!
IT IS FINISHED! We now walk in our inheritance which Jesus has accomplished not only fór us, but also ín us! We are declared holy, worthy, innocent in His eyes and right with God. The Father gave His gift of righteousness* to everyone who believes in His Son! *(as if we've never sinned). Gal 2:16 👌🐑👏
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, modern Dispensational Theology falls apart, and the pretrib removal of the Church falls with it.
The Capitol "C" Church, as we use the word today, is not found in the entire Book of Revelation. Individual church bodies in ancient Asia Minor are found. In Revelation 12:11 we find those under the blood of the Lamb. A person cannot be under the blood of the Lamb and not be a part of the New Covenant Church of Jesus Christ. Verse 12 of this passage proves at least part of the tribulation period is the wrath of Satan upon the people of God.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
"It may come as a surprise to most pre-Trib prophecy students that the post-Trib position (in its primitive form) is the oldest point of view."
The quotation above is from the book "Will You Escape The Tribulation? RAPTURE [Under Attack]", by Tim LaHaye, copyright 1998, Page 197.
The gathering of the Church is described at the end of 1 Thess. Chapter 4, and the timing of the event is found in chapter 5. The word “But” in the first verse of chapter 5 connects the two chapters, and the words “we” and “sleep” in verse 10 of chapter 5 prove the two chapters are connected.
God bless you finely preaching on the cross and the blood.
I have a song concerning the blood a collaboration
Just a piece of the song I'll try to recover the rest in my files
Through the blood of Jesus we have the victory
Through the blood of Jesus We have been set free
Primary chores
You are the way the Truth the life you are the way the Truth the life
You are the way the truth the life
Secondary chores
Jesus Through your blood the battle is won
Jesus Through your blood the battle is won 1/2 speed the battle is won
They are already happening around the world..
The Apostle Paul said it best when he said Jesus is NOT COMING to GATHER the Church to Himself until the Apostasy and the Revealing of the Man of Lawlessness takes place first whom Jesus destroys with the very Brightness of His COMING!
Paul said Jesus COMING to GATHER the Church to Himself will only take place AFTER the Working of Satan!
Jesus Himself said that many things must happen before we are to ever begin Looking Up!
Gabriel Prophesied what must be seen before Jesus will be Coming!
NOTHING is gonna happen...There is not gonna be a
arapture....During the Tribu,ation Jeh God is gonna protec us just as did on Noahs days..!!
When looking at the Rapture, one must not isolate it from previously established norms found in scripture. Who will be involved? I think David Reid of Columbus Bible Church did a good job ferreting-out just how massive the Rapture may be, based on God's grace to youth in time past, and the fair and loving aspect of the 'age of accountability' being trans-dispensational in nature. The only concrete age we can see repeated in scripture is the age of 20. If that sounds too late to anyone, let it be stated here that God's grace is greater than ours. We think we judge righteously by saying it varies person by person, but even we do not give jay-walking tickets to 15-year old's or lock-away children with misdemeanour's for lengthy periods since their hearts and minds are still unhardened and hold redemption potential.
There but for the grace of God go i. ;-)
Permit me to continue, if I may..
If we suppose those who are 'in-Christ' constitute under 5% of humanity, and add population ratios of those under 20, then upwards of 2-billion will be caught-up in the Rapture. For those left behind, to recover from such a sad population shock, while still remaining rebellious toward God, there has to be some or all factors at play: 1) a global catastrophe to give the event a large blanket of distraction, or 2) a great resentment toward God for removing all the children, or 3) a greater all-pervasive presence of a new world religion to explain away why snatchers took all the children away. Feel free to add a few other plausible reasons..
If we are honest, I think we have not yet seen that later religious point mature quite enough, so be on the lookout for more setups like: 1) the possible destruction of Damascus, 2) the building of the temple under Vatican-Ecumenical agreements, 3) the fall or split-up of Islam, 4) the 'world woke church' in league with Rome and Orthodox groups, 5) more visible sign's in the heavens and global paranormal activity.
This is just food for thought, and like any tertiary idea or teaching, it must be held 'at arms length'. My thoughts have been that the covering 'big event' (making the Rapture look secondary) and the aftermath *will endure no more than 13-years until something provokes the tribulation starting agreement* with Israel and the Anti-Christ. This would befit a gracious God Not imputing sin onto any future children born into that chaotic and horrendous period, because by the time Christ returns, they will have died in innocence already, or not have reached the age of accountability (20) and therefore be among those passing on to live in the Millennial period. - Grace and peace!
If you are under 20, please don't wait! Trust Christ's provision made for your sins before it's everlasting too late!
Revelation 20 4-5 First Resurrection. Only the tribulation saints reign with Jesus and only the tribulation saints get raptured
@@squirreljones3595 Amen Squirrel, Jesus made it Clear to all Churches that we who Partake in the FIRST RESURRECTION are Blessed and Holy!
Paul made it 100% Clear that we must Partake in the RESURRECTION before we are all Together Raptured to Meet Jesus!
@@squirreljones3595 No one is raptured and went to heaven in Rev 20:4. Instead they reign with Christ for a thousand years after coming to life.
Let's take a look at the details of who's going to come to life in that verse from the KJV.
Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were
a) *beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God,* and
b) *which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image,*
c) *neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;* and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
It's crystal clear to me that *these are not the "dead in Christ" in 1Thess **4:16**.* Rather they are those who died/beheaded during the 7-year tribulation. Many of these are the souls under the altar in Rev 6:9 when the 5th seal is opened.
*Sorry, there's no rapture after the tribulation.*
@@JesseMgala
Daniel 12 2
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting Life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Sounds the same as the
Second death
Revelation 20 12-15
Double check the letters to the 7 churches
Christians don't get to hijack the saints reward
Revelation 20 5
But the rest of the dead lived not again till the thousand years have finished. This is the
First Resurrection
Why would John say LIVE again
That doesn't sound like
Second death
Dosen't First mean First
Isn't dead people rising a
Resurrection
Paul and John are both right
Of course
Dead in CHRIST means tribulation saint
Persecution coming, Keep the Faith
Jesus is Truth
@@squirreljones3595 The dead in Christ Paul talked about in 1Thess 4:13-16 are not those beheaded during the tribulation in Rev 20:4 because those said dead in Christ were already dead or asleep when Paul wrote his first letter to the Thessalonians. Paul never talked about the tribulation in chapter 4.
As I've said, in Rev 20:4, only those died/beheaded during the tribulation will come to life.
Daniel 12:2 tells me that old testament saints("thy people," who are the Jews) will be resurrected after the time of trouble which to me is the tribulation.
Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and *there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time:* and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Matthew 24:21 For *then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,* no, nor ever shall be.
The two verses above must be talking about the same event in the future which is the tribulation.
There will be no rapture in our future. No soon coming of Jesus. Jesus is not in Heaven, He is in the kingdom of God. That kingdom came with Jesus at His comming in 70ad. We who are believers are all ready born into that kingdom. The kingdom is forever and we do not die, but live forever in Christ. Oh we do leave this present form in time and we will be changed from mortal to immortality at that future time line. Just so you know, we are all in line, going to that future.
how did you say that?
The apostle Paul would disagree with you read Thessalonians both books first Corinthians also chapter 15 . Then go to Daniel 9 and show me where in 70 ad there was a peace covenant with Israel for 7 years and everlasting righteousness has come to the earth .
@@gerard1954 My name is Gerald. Man I do read scripture and everything you pointed to, came to an end in 70AD. Only dead men get resurrected and Christians do not die, we just leave this body in time. Not today I hope. Yah I know, you got caught up in the John Nelson Darby doctrine and just can not see anything else. God is with you so no worries.
@@oldgoldgetter ok the Darby doctrine you need to reserch that some more Darby didn’t come up with that here is a list of people long before Darby and besides I don’t follow some guys teachings
Ignatius of Antioch 110
William Sherman 1607-1689
Mather 1639
Morgan Edwards 1722 .
Clement of rome 35-101 you see it’s important to have the right information before you assume something . Myself I don’t have opinions that make any matter I get it all from scripture so that becomes in some eyes my opinion because I believe what the scripture says but it’s equally important to know the context and who it is for and when it was written and for what reason so historical information is also important .
Paul when he wrote about the rapture always said we who are alive and remain will be caught up to meet the lord in the air 1 thess 4 -14-17 so not everyone dies . And when Paul talked about the great tribulation he always said they he knew he would not be part of that but expected Jesus at any moment so the idea is to be prepared that he could come at any moment ans live as if he could come at any moment that creates the responsibility to tell as many people as possible because when the wrath of God comes nobody needs to go through that . But as far as the 70 th week already done in 70 ad you need to read those scriptures again because there are things that just didn’t take place in 70 ad. Daniel 9:24 that talks about the 70 weeks to end sin and bring everlasting righteousness then 9:26-27 and the people (rome ) of the prince who is to come that’s the antichrist. Now rome destroys the city and the temple . That happened now it says then he shall Confirm a covenant there was no Roman that confirmed any covenant. And he shall bring an end to the daily sacrifices . The temple has already been destroyed so that means there has to be a new temple built in order for that to happen . He confirms a. Covenant with many for one week but in the middle of the week he stands in the holy place that is the holy of holy’s in the third temple which isn’t built yet and Declares him self to be god. This just has not happened. Then in Daniel 12 he talks about what that antichrist will do and what will be happening in the world jesus touches on this in Matt 24-25 . I cor 15 :50-58 I’m not writing this to offend you in any way I just want you to question if what you hold to be right really is because with what you have told me this is not something you would get just out of scripture that was taught to you by people you admire or at least give too much credit to . The Darby comment tells me that and the 70 weeks already done the scripture paints a different story . Harmonize it if your interested in a good solid Bible teacher check real life with jack hibbs and jd Farag both excellent teachers blessings I hope your not offended seeking truth is what we are here to do while we are in these flesh bodies ya know peace
@@gerard1954 Thanks for your reply. I used to follow the same doctrine you aspire to. Not anymore. I believe all of the law and the prophets were fulfilled at the destruction of the Temple in 70ad. Books are being written about this so a few paragraphs on this site can never explain it all. I am a full preterit today. Since salvation is from Jesus, not from doctrine of the end of the age. The Jewish age ended 2000 years ago. The present age of Grace, has no end.