Both Milwaukee and dewalt does well in europe. Mikwaukee is the biggest brand in Norway right now. Their marketing is very good and aggressive. Dewalt also does well. Most European brands are quite poor at marketing
@@olgajoachimosmundsen4647Norway? NORWAY? 😂 Might as well say Milwaukee is #1 in Sahara desert. Norway is as economically relevant to the rest of Europe as Sahara is to South Africa. 😂 American brands focus on wooden construction hint hint. Not many places in Europe give a damn how fast you can put a screw into wood or cut 2x4. American tools are like American cars, or anything else other than weapons or tech. Try using Milwaukee or dewalt on brick and mortar constructions and see how they do. I hate every dewalt tool my company forces me to use. Unrefined peace of garbage.
There’s also something to be said about American attitudes. Bosch focuses on good engineering and ergonomics. Their tools are lighter and more efficient than domestically-designed tool companies. As a Bosch user, I get shit from folks who lug around their heavy, loud American tools. I think insecure men feel they need that as a prop, like big trucks.
your not wrong, my tools are makita and bosch, and all though bosch isnt common here there is lots of little things i like about them. its a 50/50 split for me between bosch and makita but every tools company makes really good tools and the odd bad one. i like having the best and ive never had that great of luck with milwaukee and dewalt, dewalt is the only brand ive had things almost catch fire and milwaukee has never interested me and its super expensive
i have Maktia, Bosch, Ryobi, Some Milwauke and Metabo tools. I have settled on Bosch and Ryobi. Bosch for heavy duty tools and Ryobi for tools that i wont use that often anyways and dont see the point of paying profesional prices.
I’m knee deep in Milwaukee but got a Bosch cordless sander because it looks like the new Milwaukee RO sander (unreleased yet) is just a reverse engineered Bosch. I love the sander. Definitely feels like they design more for ergonomics and refinement than brute power.
I’ve had no issues with my 18v stuff, aside from my first slim packs finally hitting the end of their lives after 15 years. As someone that occasionally works on random house renovations, I quite like that my tools are less likely to walk away since everyone uses yellow or red. Also easier to figure out who’s tools are whose when you have roommates that also have power tools. I hunt around and find the best deal, usually not any more expensive than the other brands. Honestly, seems a bit pointless to make a video saying a brand is irrelevant when it’s not a quality issue.
So no one would care. Especially not me, since I have numerous tools and batteries and would have to invest in a totally new system. But I’m sure I’m the only person alive that can say that. And good thing Bosch only makes a few tools, nothing else; I’m sure NO ONE would care if they just stopped doing business.
@@gk7588😂 You sum up the IQ of average American tool user. Can you even point on the map where “the rest of the world’s 9 billion people” live? Do you see past your stick and glue made homes? Can you see those brick and mortar made buildings and constructions all around the world? Yea…that’s who would care. It’s the building that get wiped out by a strong wind that no one cares about. You know the ones that same people build using American tools 😂. You got to be a tool in order to say that #2 tool maker in the world is irrelevant just because they don’t try to give you a tool that compensates for lack of a tool on your part😂. Why else would any real man care what social media has to say? 🤦
Ive been moving away from ridgid and over to bosch for my new tools. You can usually get a battery free with bosch tool at lowes. I now have more bosch batteries than i ever did with ridgid.
@@WHATDATTOOLDOfr, im genuinely jealous ridgid powertools arent available outside the us. We get the crappier aeg(same brand) tools and not the full line up.
I’m from Australia, carpenters mostly have makita here but i own around 10k worth of cordless Bosch and it is fantastic. 6 year tool and battery warranty and whenever the boys use my tools they make comments how nice they are.
Last year I purchased a Bosch corded circular saw. I dropped it multiple times and that thing still wirks great. What turns me off to their cordless tools is that when I was a teenager somebody gave me one and it worked for like 5 days before it completely fried itself in a pretty spectacular fashion.
@@WHATDATTOOLDO Source? Bosch doesn't just have one 12V drill or impact. I have the GSR-12V-35FC and it's right up there with the strongest 12V drills. When it comes to build quality, battery-system, service and accessories it's a no-brainer compared to something like Hypertough. Of course at a much higher price but these are professional-grade tools.
@iSkyline1 m 12 smoke bosch at a similer price point then you have cheep 12 volt tools like hypertough that are comparable... it is what it is maketa is suffering from the same problems no to low innovation and brands like dewalt ,milwaukee,ridgid and flex outperforming them by alot and makita and bosch are still expensive..
@@WHATDATTOOLDO Again, source? I have seen many comparisons between Bosch and Milwaukee and the differences in torque or whatever else are irrelevant in actual use. The Bosch 12V-drill is used in Formula 1 for assembly, good enough for me. For tyre changes in the garage many racing teams actually use a Milwaukee impact, so both brands make solid tools for professionals.
Then again there is Bosh Power Share. Bosch Batterys are used in many other maschines from other companys from garden tools to packaging hand machines from companys like Cyclops
@engineer_alv Wagner and Titan are on the platform now too. I think you may see some other speciality tool brands switch to Bosch batteries in the future. Instead of investing their own dollars into their own proprietary battery platforms. They can take those dollars and invest it in their tools.
I own a lot of Bosch corded/cordless tools dating back 20 years and really like them. Haven't really had any problems with them. The problem I have with Bosch is their resistance or disinterest in coming out with different tools. They make great drill/drivers, but how many different models of the same thing do you need? One tool I wish they would come out with is a cordless ratchet. I hate that I had to buy a Milwaukee (which is great too), when I have many Bosch batteries already.
They have been coming with new tools or updates to existing tools for a few years now, but I remember following one of the Live Streams from Bosch UK and a few commenters asked for a cordless ratchet. From what i recall it wasn't in the cards several months ago.
I have just a couple Bosch 12V tools, they work great, but I'm not planning on buying any more because they don't currently have anything I need. I would definitely be interested in a 12V ratchet, as well as straight and right angle 12V die grinders with 1/4" chucks. Milwaukee has an extensive line of 12V tools, but they didn't start really pushing those out until after I bought into the Bosch 12V line. Now I wish I would have waited.
@@rudyschwab7709I believe they are launching a 12V right angle die grinder in the next month or so.
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You are absolutely right. Same thing bothered me aswell. But in recent developments they've introduced "ampshare" in which they share the battery technology with other European tool manufacturers. This opens up a whole new line of products they might suit your needs. For instance: "Fein" joined ampshare. Speaking from experience, Fein makes THE finest tools for metal-working. Fein is for metal what Festool is for wood. I love this development.
My friend and I got drill sets at the same time, I got Bosch, he got makita and were similar specs. He is onto his third drill, my original Bosch is still going hard and that’s after leaving it out overnight in the rain twice in 7 years
As current long time user of Bosch Professional Power Tools for over 23 years, i concur with the gist of your video as It is all about the non existent marketing by Bosch in your Country USA. Here internationally, i got all their large line of lastest quality cordless tools. Bosch North America needs to follow suit of the colleagues in the UK & Germany, as they both got monthly livestreams on UA-cam, showcasing their tools & answering our questions of up coming new tools, plus they do country wide tours by themselves every week of every month showcasing their tools, along with attending tool shows when they come around. So us Professionals are fully aware of their large cordless tool line. I asked Bosch North America if they would start to do such, they said that is a great idea, but haven't got any update to know if they started. Much respect for your work sir. Keep it up.
What's even better is Bosch is pushing for AmpShare platform in Europe which will add dozens of new cordless tools to their existing 18V platform. They realized it was easier to open up their battery platform rather than design brand new tools and compete with existing players like Fein. It would be great if they could implement that in North America
@@engineer_alvit is being implemented in the US. Fein, Wagner and Titan, among others are onboard. The initial focus in North American appears to be on industrial brands that offer specialty tools. But I could see this expanding out to other tools and applications in the future.
Bosch listened to the complaints over the years and have started an initiative where they effectively put a fire under the tool division’s ass. You’ll find this on an international level with the uncanny amount of new releases in recent years. Bosch NA (tools) has been a joke for most of this century. They’ve also gotten the memo and their customers no longer have to wait for ten years to get a product.
My next cat will be called Makita, now. The local Do It Best used to be a solid place to buy Makita. Kinda went to the wayside when Milwaukee came in strong with their hand tools and the like.
I actually got a free Freak and I did the break up thing and got a cordless grinder too... my batteries crapped out stone cold with no warning all at once... kind of why I'm hesitant to explore any further.
The entire Bosch 12v line and especially the 18v profactor drill and impacts are absolutely class leading. I own a sawmill and manufacturer custom big timber trusses. We like Bosch the best and have virtually all brands. Bosch isn't going anywhere.
I run Bosch 18 and 12 volt on residential job sites. Every guy on my crew loves the 12v drills. My 18v 8ah batteries are bar none the best batteries on the job.
I do commercial maintenance. I get up in the morning and get a few emails, spend my day on the road. I no longer have any corded tools in my truck. When I buy a tool it's because I need it right then. For convenience sake I use 2 brands, and mostly buy from Home Depot, so yes Yellow and Orange. I've never considered Bosch because as you point out, there's just not enough available on the shelf.
Honestly the freak is a beast change the tire on the van then do a subfloor replacement. As a floor guy I run Bosch because my batteries won’t walk away and their tools have a reputation of abuse me please. Haven’t let me down yet bosch is a pro brand . Just overlooked
We have Milwaukee, Makita and Metabo HPT in our business but the recent 18V tools are really quality and some of the best made in the business and we've actually been adding more tools on jobsite as of late
My 10 yr old lithium 1/4" impact driver is still going strong. I even have a tiny 1/4" Skil-by-Bosch cordless ratchet I hacked new batteries into a few years ago that is the handiest tight-space power tool ever.
Bosch is one of the biggest producers of kitchen and household products ( mixers, blenders, washing and drying machines, vacuum cleaners, stoves and many other products).
I was gifted Bosch by my father and expanded from there. I have multiple 12v and 18v tools that I've had for several years and they've been great. My company uses Milwaukee and Dewalt and they're ok but I see no need to change what I have for home. Union Carpenter
Here is the thing. If the home depots in the world want to stay in business, they need to carry things that Amazon has. People are going to figure out the superiority of Bosch tools. I've been on the DeWALT and Milwaukee battery platforms for years (and still am), and now I am on Bosch. It's almost like getting a Festool without the Systainer and endless money pit.
The first Lithium ion cordless in Lowes was a 10.8v compact t pistol with d cell battery. No one else beat their torque specs for many years. They have faded away in the last decade.
Only in the USA in the UK and Europe they are arguably the number 1 selling brand and Milwaukee and such are considered junk. Mostly due to lack of repairability. @@jerrywhitfill2236
Bosch makes solid tools, but they've been left behind in the power department by Milwaukee, Dewalt, and Flex. Another problem is that Dewalt and Milwaukee are constantly being promoted and on sale. Home Depot does a far better job of promoting and having tools in-stock for Milwaukee than any other brand in any other store. There's always Milwaukee tools on sale at Home Depot. Most tools I need are right on the shelf, too, and Home Depots seem to be in more convenient locations than Lowes. Bosch used to be the go to brand for woodworkers, but as the shift to battery power came, Bosch got left behind. Oh, and O-H-I-O ROCKS! Wouldn't live anywhere else!
Home Depot has become a TTI showroom and needless to say I can't blame them. As a retailer you will stick to the winning team and that team has been Team Red for a quite a while (along with a bunch of lime Green and Orange tools they have exclusivity for). DeWalt is also right there but they sell pretty much to any hardware store which is not in HD's best interest. That's why even legacy brands like Estwing and Klein Tools left HD recently and are now replaced by a bunch of Milwaukee hand tools
It almost seems that the largest European brand with the most diverse portfolio of products produced really can't be bothered with marketing. I have brought this up with the sales rep...makes his job a bit tough too.
@Starcrunch72 Sounds a lot like Hewlett-Packard back in the 20th century. The absolute best computing and measurement systems, but virtually no ability to understand how to market them. They ended up selling off the instrument division, then let a series of incompetent CEOs run them down to irrelevance.
it's like VW, the 2nd largest automaker in the world with a big portfolio of products but they just can't crack the US market. And honestly they don't need to. Cordless tool buyers are as loyal as pickup truck buyers and they'll mostly get Chevy Ford (or Ram) because America. But if what's left from the market still makes for a business case then it makes sense for Bosch to keep offering tools here
Bosch is the current 18v kit that Costco is selling in store, but not online. That used to be the Porter Cable grey kit for years. Take that for what you will. It's a drill/driver, Freak, one handed recip, flashlight, two batteries, and some bits for $180. Seems like a screaming deal, but it's upscale suburban types at Costco, more than blue collar thrift types
I'm starting to stock up on Bosch tools and after already having a bulldog SDS boschhammer and a worm drive skill saw I'm firmly convinced that these guys know how to build well thought out and durable tools. The freak is very cool and I like thier hammer drill. The freak has impressed me with the torque. Also compared to the Makita multi tool Bosch pretty much stomps it in ergonomics and weight which means everything for making those precision cuts.
Yeah not being relevant in the big box stores really hurts them. It got worse lately when Lowes dropped the 12V line. Its a shame because they have an amazing 12V line and they let Milwaukee use them as a doormat. If they keep this pace they will become an "old guy" brand like delta and porter cable, in the US at least.
Bosch rules in Europe and in Asia (with Makita). In the US is ok if they are on 5th or something like that. Because you guys have other big local brands, that a national american is inclined to buy. It's totally fine, you need to help the local economy. And that's why Bosch is not investing in the local market like in Europe. Where the competition is crushed easily. Globally, they are a mamut and will never be Irrelevant
This is such a shame because Bosch makes wonderful products, including their cordless line. Unfortunately for them, it is a fiercely competitive market. They did not advertise and promote their products the way their competitors did.
next, yes my company bought me Bosch at me request. then i got the same things to have at home. i went to central Ohio Power tool. also the freak is a handy and useful tool for working boilers and chillers and other HVAC trade .
I was at Menards and got sucked into Bosch, I had no idea it would be hard to stay with them but I was looking at where the "made in" sticker said *malaysia iirc*. Now I'm sticking with them to be a hipster and not have batteries walk away as often as compared to Milwaukee or Rigid.
I still have my old W. German made sds drill. It died after 20 years of hard daily service. The new one I bought is made in China, it worked fine for the last 5 years of my previous career. Now it just sits on s shelf and now and then is used around the house.
LOL, Bosch. It's like they're trying to hide what tools they do have. If the company (and their retailers) are so unconcerned about the customer BEFORE they even have our money...how are they gonna treat us AFTER they have it? I, for one, will not be finding out the answer to that question!
I think Bosch is becoming relevant again because their price. They're offering similar performance and longevity as the other brands for around 20% less in many cases.
In Europe, Bosch is more common, but owning a bunch of Blue, i really hesitate to buy more. Their oscillating tool uses non standard blades(starlock) blue 18v batteries don't fit green 18v tools. So i wanted to buy some garden equipment which Bosch has in the green line but my batteries won't fit. Even though they are fairly common in my area, I need a good reason to buy Bosch
I have to disagree with your take on Bosch tools. I have quite a few Bosch tools. Corded, 18v and 12 volt. They are all fantastic tools, and I got most of them on sale. My appreciation for the brand goes back to the Bosch barrel grip jigsaw which to this day IMO is still the best jigsaw on the planet. I also have to disagree about the sales. Lowes frequently puts Bosch tools on sale and gives free batteries, or a battery and a charger. Just today I purchased the 18v compact reciprocating saw for $129 and got two free 4ah batteries. The quality of the tools is always top notch. I have frequently used batteries that are at least 8 years old and have never had one fail. I also have a couple Dewalt 20v tools that I couldn’t pass up because a got a fantastic deal on them. I got a steal on a high torque 1/2 impact that came with a charger and 5ah battery for $150. The DeWalt tools are fine but I still believe that when you catch them on sale Bosch offers some the best value for dollar tools on the market. It’s not the sexiest brand out there, and they don’t have in your face marketing like some other tool brands, but they are still very relevant. I’m a firm believer in that when it comes to tools… any tools you should buy what makes you happy. For some it’s Festool, for others it’s Milwaukee. For me it’s Bosch. I get the fiz when I use my Bosch tools, and if your tools give you the fiz, you made the right choice, regardless of who the manufacturer is.
When I bought my house 3 years ago, I went with Bosch for 3 reasons: 1) I already had a Bosch drill. 2) The Freak meant one less tool I needed to buy (I bought a newer one, not the original). 3) Lowes had a big sale where you got a free battery and charger with most of the bare tools I needed. The impact is great because you can leave the T20 on while using it as a wrench. It also has more torque as a wrench than a regular impact driver because you don't need to adapt up from 1/4" to 1/2". The only downside is you need two hands to put in a new driver bit. My main complaint with Bosch is they only carry professional tools and don't have homeowner tools like everyone else. I ended up buying a Craftsman inflator, because it can be powered by battery, cigarette adapter, or AC. But now I have three battery systems (including Ego).
I've always been on the Bosch 12v line. Lowes ran a sale where they had their 18v 975 inch pound drill/hammer drill for 99 bucks and you got 2 free 18v 4ah batteries along with it so I jumped on that because I needed a bigger drill with 1/2" chuck and a side handle. Whale of a deal and I love it.
I'm a 27 year old carpenter in Australia and have had Bosch for over 10 years, i love them but i agree with your point about them focusing a lot on masonry tools. They make great tools for carpentry but are VERY slow to bring out new tools for woodworking and have a limited range (planer is 10 years old and they still dont have an 18v router/trimmer). They are also not as popular as makita, dewalt and Milwaukee over here.
Cordless 18v bosch range been going strong for years. Also bosch is always ahead in technology such as 'Xlock'system quick release arbor technology and qucik release multi tool blades. Then other companies such as makita and milwaukee end up leasing bosch technology to use on there tools. This bloke sounds like he needs to do a little more research lol.
I switched from Bosch 18v to Dewalt after working a job with a dewalt guy and a milwaukee guy, we were all driving screws with impact druvers and they were so much faster. To be fair, they were both brushless and i was brushed. Gave all my 18v stuff to my son and re tooled. Still have Bosch table saw, 12” miter, corded recip saw and colt router, all corded.
Almost every time my Bulldog gets lent out, the borrower winds up wanting to buy one of his own. I probably cause enough sales to merit a commission. (You'd think I'd get a complimentary tool now and then, but Noooo! Not even a call, or a greeting card!) Bosch tools don't have that cheezy DIY 'stealth fighter' look to them. Nothing suggests high tech, or bragging rights. But when you get their tools into the 'sandbox', they sell themselves, like Hilti. Maybe they prefer the industrial / commercial reputation over any amateur appeal.
Drills, grinders . . . . Just like everyone else. Where are the clever new ideas - the cordless power centers, the fans, the coolers? Where are the trade-specific tools like the crispers and paint sprayers? Bosch is irrelevant because they fell asleep. Also: Where do you find a Bosch line-up? Home centers might have one or two tools. Professional supply houses don’t carry Bosch.
I went with the black and yellow because of the tools in stock that I could lay my hands on. I tried a Bosch corded router, which I still have, but I have to work too hard to use it. Just not comfortable in the hands.
I dont know, I love my freak. It sits in the back of the ¾ ton and has worked on every repair. battery does have similar issue with DeWalt batteries in that it has to be bumped to connect on occasion.
I have to agree iam in the UK and had there cordless 18volt for about 15yrs I still use them on site because they less chance of them being stolen as everybody seems to have dewalt
Bosch has been in this rut for years. It seems like all of the other big brands know they have to cater to both professional users and us weekend warriors alike to hold their stake in the market, and their line-ups seem to reflect that. When one of the other big brands does something new, then the other big brands will catch on and begin competing with it, but not Bosch. Bosch is like the odd kid who gets picked last for the team. Not because he lacks skills, but just because he is odd.
You're not wrong their shelf space is tiny compared to 8 years ago. They have really dropped the ball on marketing their lboxx system was never really marketed in stores in US and could use an update. Milwaukee is currently king and its easy to see why they have a great system and their tools are decent enough.
Their 12V line was one of the first. My first one still said 10.8V because they went with nominal voltage instead of peak. Milwaukee has a larger selection at this point but they (as one example) came later.
@@thezfunkYou are so right! I got their first Li ion from Lowe’s . Never lost charge sitting in tool case. Hitachi came later. No one beat their torque ratings for years. It beat my NiCad Craftsman/Stanley throwaways: batteries died in tool box overnight and cost more than the driver to replace.
Bosch was first on the Brands list at OPT, because it was alphabetical. I have the corded sander, works great. And the corded jigsaw, it works great too. These two tools, I picked because of their quality. if they are the number 2 tool manufacturer in world, I take it that the rest of the world buys their tools?
I would be curious to know your top 10 starter diy buy it for life hand tools and electric tools. I’m attempting to start out my collection with quality I can use for a very long time. Love your videos.
I really liked my corded hammer drill for years, until I took it out of the hole and the whole chuck and bit were still in there. It was pretty funny though.
I have bosch and they are perfect what i have a problem with is how people want a tool can drill fast and not for durability bosch literally has the most durable tools on the market including hilti id pick bosch and hilti over any other brand on the marketplace
The Bosch CS5 is my primary circ saw. Even though I have an old black Sears Craftsman, a Skil, and a Ridgid worm drive, the Bosch is used 90% of the time. Likewise, my Bosch plunge router is also my go-to for routing. Their quality is never in question to me. Bosch's sales reflect store support rather than tool quality. I suspect that if they were awarded display space comparable to Milwaukee, Ryobi, and DeWalt in Home Depot they'd do better. Same is true for the space granted to DeWalt and Craftsman at Lowe's. When it comes to retail people are visual buyers and a 1/4 to 1/2 shelf display in the back isle doesn't get much attention. This entire video could have been called Metabo is Worse Than Done... . The story on Metabo is almost identical. In the 3 Lowe's stores I frequent Flex is much the same. On release they were pretty much regulated to a couple of end caps. However, they've recently been extended to an entire side of one isle. The professional market is slowly expanding for Flex, but in terms of retail they're still pretty irrelevant to the general public.
ok lets be honest. Bosch isn't in a bunch of stores like Lowes is because they won't pay the stores to be there. unlike crapwaltand swillwalkie. i have used Bosch cordless since 1993 and that 12V drill still runs. back to the factory 2 times because i dropped it from 2nd story windows. i also have the 24V set. the miter saw is great for small quick jobs at the site. what Bosch and Mikita really shine on about is they feel good in the hand. when you are using them all day that matters more the any other number you can name.
This right here. There is a reason that DeWalt has models that are sold specifically in Lowe's and Specifically in Depot. It's what Depot demands in terms of inventory allocation. It's that requirement that has Milwaukee in Depot and not in Lowe's. Bosch cordless is plenty of places. But alot of those places cater to the contractor/professional and not the DIYer. Yes alot of contractors use HD and Lowe's. But many of them also use the industrial distributors you named off along with places like White Cap, Colony Hardware and other local and regional hardware and construction material outlets.
Should I get robbed and have to start over, I may and may not stick to deWalt. It's not brand fidelity thing as much as investment in batteries... My tools are not broken and get the job done. And I don't have a love hate relationship with DeWalt. I'm satisfied without being a vocal fan boy. Now, let's assume that sad scenario, I don't know that I'd be drawn to Bosch, but for all I care: A) I know they are not all over the place, but I'm not worried, they won't disappear. I know a shop here in Montreal that sells almost exclusively Bosch. B) They got all the tools I need. Period. C) there is something cool about being the marginal one that is in the "less than 1% group of buyers". That's the least rational argument of the three, yet probably the one I'd admittedly have to fight.
In about 1994 we bought a cordless Bosch hammer drill. Its been a fantastic tool showing no wear with lots of use, until the battery died.. and they offered zero options to replace it. Sorry, obsolete. So I have a great drill that was insane good on concrete and tile with carbide bits.. still in perfect shape, but a costly paperweight due to horrid battery support. Buy corded.. They not making the AC grid obsolete anytime soon. I could put new cells in the battery, at a greater cost than a new corded high grade tool.
Bosch corded seems fine to me. If you are doing serious work, like demo, you probably have site power. In which case, why not use infinite run time? And even online sales don't bother me. If I was using Bosch for pro work, I'd already have backup tools. Two of everything. So if one broke, it doesn't shut down the job. You have a second one and order a new one or go buy team yellow or red to hold you over. It's not a big deal. What I would like to know: TTI and Bosch both have the US headquarters virtually next door to each other. Is there any significance to that? Do they work together at all? How did two tool companies both end up in the same small place in South Carolina like that?
If they were made in germany at a higher quality level everyone would go crazy for them same if makita was all japanese but it's just another ok tool in a sea of them
I have the 12v brushless Chameleon and its awesome. I saw a 12v drill and impact set at Tractor Supply before Christmas for $99 and it was very well made but it wasn't brushless and the impact had 1/3 less torque of my 12v Fuel impacts. I went to Bosch website and it didn't appear that they made any in 12v brushless...
they do 12V Brushless. The impact driver is part number PS42 and the drill/driver is GSR12V-300N. The kit with these two is GXL12V-220b22 and they also sell some other 12V Brushless tools like the palm router, starlock multi tool, cut-off tool and more re recently a couple sanders and a die grinder
We have Bosch battery tools in the factory we work at,and they don't hold up.The skilled trades guys ,who get a tool allowance, 99%invest in Milwaulkee, and the pack out system. No yellow Some Metabo. We used to have Hitachi years ago,even used them in my home shop,bulletproof.then they merged and went down hill.
Love my Bosch corded jigsaw 6:38 and my Bosch 1617 corded router (and Bosch also designed the X Lock feature of my awesome) Makita angle grinder. However, I don't own any of their cordless tools - based on the reviews.
Bosch is alright if you are already invest in a few tools and batteries. Outside of that theres no reason buy into that system. I wouldnt consider any of them great compared to other options.
you buy bosch more for the quality then the visibility on the market. Last 2 years they came up with the best tools out there. And ampshare is really handy and has a lot of potential to it. Because every brand is good at making something look at the multitools from Feine or a spraying gun of Wagner. They dont need to be in the spotlights. Because if the tools are good the consumers will find them.
Bosch doesn't sell because they don't have good customer service for anyone who doesn't buy $10k worth of tools from them and they never will, try getting anything you buy from them serviced or fixed and they want you to basically pay as much as buying a new one.
My entire US shop is Bosch, corded, 12v and 18v. Zero issues. Bosch doesn't have a visible presence at retail stores like Home Depot, thus isn't held up on a pedestal from an optics standpoint to the average consumer. As someone who doesn't buy tools based on what's on the retail shelf, I chose Bosch.
Well said that's my reason why I choose Bosch in a nut shell I don't follow the crowd it works for me not following the next fool with the trading tools
I'd dont get the value of Bosh Something that lasts: Makita Something the most powerful: Milwaulkee Something that'd a great value: DeWalt Something that comes to my shop Snap-on I just don't see why I'd buy it
@@precesionnoreaster1507Mikita doesn’t last any longer then dewalt which says a lot. Dewalt is a great value if you don’t value your hands, bones and ears etc. Milwaukee could easily make better and smaller version of their mechanics focused tool as corded but then they won’t get to exploit people with batteries which companies now use like they did with INK for the printers. Then they way overcharge to make sure you will feel stupid if you ever think of leaving a negative review. 😂 If you worked with brick and mortar construction, you would never have a reason to switch from Bosh. Europe is made of brick and mortar, not sticks and glue. 😂
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Bosch is as irrelevant in the US as Milwaukee and Dewalt are irrelevant in europe. Don't worry they're fine. ✌
I'm starting to think he's doing some of these controversial videos just for views
He said the company is doing just fine and isn't going anywhere. He also pointed out that he's talking about the US market
Both Milwaukee and dewalt does well in europe. Mikwaukee is the biggest brand in Norway right now. Their marketing is very good and aggressive. Dewalt also does well. Most European brands are quite poor at marketing
@@olgajoachimosmundsen4647, most European brands are well-known to professionals and less to DIYiers.
@@olgajoachimosmundsen4647Norway? NORWAY? 😂
Might as well say Milwaukee is #1 in Sahara desert. Norway is as economically relevant to the rest of Europe as Sahara is to South Africa. 😂
American brands focus on wooden construction hint hint. Not many places in Europe give a damn how fast you can put a screw into wood or cut 2x4.
American tools are like American cars, or anything else other than weapons or tech. Try using Milwaukee or dewalt on brick and mortar constructions and see how they do. I hate every dewalt tool my company forces me to use. Unrefined peace of garbage.
I contacted Bosch about my broken drill trigger. I asked for a part to fix it. They sent me a brand new 18v drill. 🎉
My Milwaukee tools are still running strong 5 years later.
@@RayTrammell-z2e start using them and see what happens.
There’s also something to be said about American attitudes. Bosch focuses on good engineering and ergonomics. Their tools are lighter and more efficient than domestically-designed tool companies. As a Bosch user, I get shit from folks who lug around their heavy, loud American tools. I think insecure men feel they need that as a prop, like big trucks.
your not wrong, my tools are makita and bosch, and all though bosch isnt common here there is lots of little things i like about them. its a 50/50 split for me between bosch and makita but every tools company makes really good tools and the odd bad one. i like having the best and ive never had that great of luck with milwaukee and dewalt, dewalt is the only brand ive had things almost catch fire and milwaukee has never interested me and its super expensive
i have Maktia, Bosch, Ryobi, Some Milwauke and Metabo tools. I have settled on Bosch and Ryobi. Bosch for heavy duty tools and Ryobi for tools that i wont use that often anyways and dont see the point of paying profesional prices.
I’m knee deep in Milwaukee but got a Bosch cordless sander because it looks like the new Milwaukee RO sander (unreleased yet) is just a reverse engineered Bosch.
I love the sander. Definitely feels like they design more for ergonomics and refinement than brute power.
I’ve had no issues with my 18v stuff, aside from my first slim packs finally hitting the end of their lives after 15 years. As someone that occasionally works on random house renovations, I quite like that my tools are less likely to walk away since everyone uses yellow or red. Also easier to figure out who’s tools are whose when you have roommates that also have power tools. I hunt around and find the best deal, usually not any more expensive than the other brands. Honestly, seems a bit pointless to make a video saying a brand is irrelevant when it’s not a quality issue.
everything your talking about is irrelevant stfu 😂
So no one would care. Especially not me, since I have numerous tools and batteries and would have to invest in a totally new system. But I’m sure I’m the only person alive that can say that. And good thing Bosch only makes a few tools, nothing else; I’m sure NO ONE would care if they just stopped doing business.
@@gk7588😂 You sum up the IQ of average American tool user. Can you even point on the map where “the rest of the world’s 9 billion people” live?
Do you see past your stick and glue made homes? Can you see those brick and mortar made buildings and constructions all around the world?
Yea…that’s who would care. It’s the building that get wiped out by a strong wind that no one cares about. You know the ones that same people build using American tools 😂.
You got to be a tool in order to say that #2 tool maker in the world is irrelevant just because they don’t try to give you a tool that compensates for lack of a tool on your part😂. Why else would any real man care what social media has to say? 🤦
It's literally a video about the brand and not the tools
Ive been moving away from ridgid and over to bosch for my new tools. You can usually get a battery free with bosch tool at lowes. I now have more bosch batteries than i ever did with ridgid.
Why ridgid new brushless line is fire
@@WHATDATTOOLDOfr, im genuinely jealous ridgid powertools arent available outside the us. We get the crappier aeg(same brand) tools and not the full line up.
I’m from Australia, carpenters mostly have makita here but i own around 10k worth of cordless Bosch and it is fantastic. 6 year tool and battery warranty and whenever the boys use my tools they make comments how nice they are.
Six years!? Here in the states it’s 3 years with registration that I’ve seen.
Same, my coworkers always touch my Bosch tools and ask about them.
My local Tractor Supply carries a good number of Bosch power tools. Cordless, cord, bits, and other accessories.
Last year I purchased a Bosch corded circular saw. I dropped it multiple times and that thing still wirks great. What turns me off to their cordless tools is that when I was a teenager somebody gave me one and it worked for like 5 days before it completely fried itself in a pretty spectacular fashion.
Love their 12volt small impact and drill set, we all use them at work.
Hypertough 12 volt tools outperformed them...
@@WHATDATTOOLDO Source? Bosch doesn't just have one 12V drill or impact. I have the GSR-12V-35FC and it's right up there with the strongest 12V drills. When it comes to build quality, battery-system, service and accessories it's a no-brainer compared to something like Hypertough. Of course at a much higher price but these are professional-grade tools.
@iSkyline1 m 12 smoke bosch at a similer price point then you have cheep 12 volt tools like hypertough that are comparable... it is what it is maketa is suffering from the same problems no to low innovation and brands like dewalt ,milwaukee,ridgid and flex outperforming them by alot and makita and bosch are still expensive..
@@WHATDATTOOLDO Again, source? I have seen many comparisons between Bosch and Milwaukee and the differences in torque or whatever else are irrelevant in actual use. The Bosch 12V-drill is used in Formula 1 for assembly, good enough for me. For tyre changes in the garage many racing teams actually use a Milwaukee impact, so both brands make solid tools for professionals.
Then again there is Bosh Power Share. Bosch Batterys are used in many other maschines from other companys from garden tools to packaging hand machines from companys like Cyclops
That's a big deal in Europe. But I don't think it will caught up in North America. Maybe only for Fein's OMT but that's about it (hope I'm wrong)
@engineer_alv Wagner and Titan are on the platform now too. I think you may see some other speciality tool brands switch to Bosch batteries in the future. Instead of investing their own dollars into their own proprietary battery platforms. They can take those dollars and invest it in their tools.
@@joelrodriguez9661 good to know
I own a lot of Bosch corded/cordless tools dating back 20 years and really like them. Haven't really had any problems with them. The problem I have with Bosch is their resistance or disinterest in coming out with different tools. They make great drill/drivers, but how many different models of the same thing do you need? One tool I wish they would come out with is a cordless ratchet. I hate that I had to buy a Milwaukee (which is great too), when I have many Bosch batteries already.
They have been coming with new tools or updates to existing tools for a few years now, but I remember following one of the Live Streams from Bosch UK and a few commenters asked for a cordless ratchet. From what i recall it wasn't in the cards several months ago.
I have just a couple Bosch 12V tools, they work great, but I'm not planning on buying any more because they don't currently have anything I need. I would definitely be interested in a 12V ratchet, as well as straight and right angle 12V die grinders with 1/4" chucks. Milwaukee has an extensive line of 12V tools, but they didn't start really pushing those out until after I bought into the Bosch 12V line. Now I wish I would have waited.
@@rudyschwab7709 there's a new right die grinder with 1/4" collet. Model number is GWG12V-20SN.
@@rudyschwab7709I believe they are launching a 12V right angle die grinder in the next month or so.
You are absolutely right. Same thing bothered me aswell. But in recent developments they've introduced "ampshare" in which they share the battery technology with other European tool manufacturers. This opens up a whole new line of products they might suit your needs. For instance: "Fein" joined ampshare. Speaking from experience, Fein makes THE finest tools for metal-working. Fein is for metal what Festool is for wood. I love this development.
I have been using the Bosch 3 plane laser level for 5 years and it is fantastic
My friend and I got drill sets at the same time, I got Bosch, he got makita and were similar specs. He is onto his third drill, my original Bosch is still going hard and that’s after leaving it out overnight in the rain twice in 7 years
As current long time user of Bosch Professional Power Tools for over 23 years, i concur with the gist of your video as It is all about the non existent marketing by Bosch in your Country USA. Here internationally, i got all their large line of lastest quality cordless tools. Bosch North America needs to follow suit of the colleagues in the UK & Germany, as they both got monthly livestreams on UA-cam, showcasing their tools & answering our questions of up coming new tools, plus they do country wide tours by themselves every week of every month showcasing their tools, along with attending tool shows when they come around. So us Professionals are fully aware of their large cordless tool line. I asked Bosch North America if they would start to do such, they said that is a great idea, but haven't got any update to know if they started. Much respect for your work sir. Keep it up.
What's even better is Bosch is pushing for AmpShare platform in Europe which will add dozens of new cordless tools to their existing 18V platform. They realized it was easier to open up their battery platform rather than design brand new tools and compete with existing players like Fein. It would be great if they could implement that in North America
@@engineer_alvBosch has Ampshare in America. Launched Last year & already got 15 out of the already 30something Ampshare brands That exists in Europe.
@@engineer_alvBosch Launched Amsphare in North America last year and 18 companies already partnered with Bosch.
@@engineer_alvit is being implemented in the US. Fein, Wagner and Titan, among others are onboard. The initial focus in North American appears to be on industrial brands that offer specialty tools. But I could see this expanding out to other tools and applications in the future.
Bosch listened to the complaints over the years and have started an initiative where they effectively put a fire under the tool division’s ass. You’ll find this on an international level with the uncanny amount of new releases in recent years. Bosch NA (tools) has been a joke for most of this century. They’ve also gotten the memo and their customers no longer have to wait for ten years to get a product.
My next cat will be called Makita, now. The local Do It Best used to be a solid place to buy Makita. Kinda went to the wayside when Milwaukee came in strong with their hand tools and the like.
I actually got a free Freak and I did the break up thing and got a cordless grinder too... my batteries crapped out stone cold with no warning all at once... kind of why I'm hesitant to explore any further.
Bosch Professional is in Europe what Milwaukee is in the States.
The entire Bosch 12v line and especially the 18v profactor drill and impacts are absolutely class leading. I own a sawmill and manufacturer custom big timber trusses. We like Bosch the best and have virtually all brands.
Bosch isn't going anywhere.
If I have to put my 2 cents worth in. The bosch 18V cordless BRUSHLESS Blue line is fantastic. Zero issues.
I saw a Bosch Miter/table saw online that looked really awesome! But wasn’t available in the US.
I run Bosch 18 and 12 volt on residential job sites. Every guy on my crew loves the 12v drills.
My 18v 8ah batteries are bar none the best batteries on the job.
Thanks for picking on my freak now it has a complex..😂
I do commercial maintenance. I get up in the morning and get a few emails, spend my day on the road. I no longer have any corded tools in my truck. When I buy a tool it's because I need it right then. For convenience sake I use 2 brands, and mostly buy from Home Depot, so yes Yellow and Orange. I've never considered Bosch because as you point out, there's just not enough available on the shelf.
Honestly the freak is a beast change the tire on the van then do a subfloor replacement. As a floor guy I run Bosch because my batteries won’t walk away and their tools have a reputation of abuse me please. Haven’t let me down yet bosch is a pro brand . Just overlooked
We have Milwaukee, Makita and Metabo HPT in our business but the recent 18V tools are really quality and some of the best made in the business and we've actually been adding more tools on jobsite as of late
You’re right, it is odd. What could be the problem? Are they giving up?
My 10 yr old lithium 1/4" impact driver is still going strong. I even have a tiny 1/4" Skil-by-Bosch cordless ratchet I hacked new batteries into a few years ago that is the handiest tight-space power tool ever.
Bosch is one of the biggest producers of kitchen and household products ( mixers, blenders, washing and drying machines, vacuum cleaners, stoves and many other products).
I was gifted Bosch by my father and expanded from there. I have multiple 12v and 18v tools that I've had for several years and they've been great. My company uses Milwaukee and Dewalt and they're ok but I see no need to change what I have for home. Union Carpenter
Here is the thing. If the home depots in the world want to stay in business, they need to carry things that Amazon has. People are going to figure out the superiority of Bosch tools. I've been on the DeWALT and Milwaukee battery platforms for years (and still am), and now I am on Bosch. It's almost like getting a Festool without the Systainer and endless money pit.
The problem is Bosch has made no real effort to enter the cordless market in the USA
The first Lithium ion cordless in Lowes was a 10.8v compact t pistol with d cell battery. No one else beat their torque specs for many years. They have faded away in the last decade.
Only in the USA in the UK and Europe they are arguably the number 1 selling brand and Milwaukee and such are considered junk. Mostly due to lack of repairability. @@jerrywhitfill2236
I just need an electric version of a air chisel
Bosch makes solid tools, but they've been left behind in the power department by Milwaukee, Dewalt, and Flex. Another problem is that Dewalt and Milwaukee are constantly being promoted and on sale. Home Depot does a far better job of promoting and having tools in-stock for Milwaukee than any other brand in any other store. There's always Milwaukee tools on sale at Home Depot. Most tools I need are right on the shelf, too, and Home Depots seem to be in more convenient locations than Lowes. Bosch used to be the go to brand for woodworkers, but as the shift to battery power came, Bosch got left behind.
Oh, and O-H-I-O ROCKS! Wouldn't live anywhere else!
Home Depot has become a TTI showroom and needless to say I can't blame them. As a retailer you will stick to the winning team and that team has been Team Red for a quite a while (along with a bunch of lime Green and Orange tools they have exclusivity for). DeWalt is also right there but they sell pretty much to any hardware store which is not in HD's best interest. That's why even legacy brands like Estwing and Klein Tools left HD recently and are now replaced by a bunch of Milwaukee hand tools
It almost seems that the largest European brand with the most diverse portfolio of products produced really can't be bothered with marketing. I have brought this up with the sales rep...makes his job a bit tough too.
@Starcrunch72 Sounds a lot like Hewlett-Packard back in the 20th century. The absolute best computing and measurement systems, but virtually no ability to understand how to market them.
They ended up selling off the instrument division, then let a series of incompetent CEOs run them down to irrelevance.
it's like VW, the 2nd largest automaker in the world with a big portfolio of products but they just can't crack the US market. And honestly they don't need to. Cordless tool buyers are as loyal as pickup truck buyers and they'll mostly get Chevy Ford (or Ram) because America. But if what's left from the market still makes for a business case then it makes sense for Bosch to keep offering tools here
Grainger is a good place to get Bosch. Not known for great prices, but they get it to you very fast.
Awesome perspective! It sounds like Bosch could use a little help with Marketing and Distribution here in the states.
I'm pretty sure that Bud Light marketing whiz is available
Bosch is the current 18v kit that Costco is selling in store, but not online. That used to be the Porter Cable grey kit for years. Take that for what you will. It's a drill/driver, Freak, one handed recip, flashlight, two batteries, and some bits for $180. Seems like a screaming deal, but it's upscale suburban types at Costco, more than blue collar thrift types
They have an F on the BBB. I have a lot bad Bosch Tools.Lithium Batteries go out and switches go out.
I'm starting to stock up on Bosch tools and after already having a bulldog SDS boschhammer and a worm drive skill saw I'm firmly convinced that these guys know how to build well thought out and durable tools. The freak is very cool and I like thier hammer drill. The freak has impressed me with the torque. Also compared to the Makita multi tool Bosch pretty much stomps it in ergonomics and weight which means everything for making those precision cuts.
Yeah not being relevant in the big box stores really hurts them. It got worse lately when Lowes dropped the 12V line. Its a shame because they have an amazing 12V line and they let Milwaukee use them as a doormat. If they keep this pace they will become an "old guy" brand like delta and porter cable, in the US at least.
Bosch rules in Europe and in Asia (with Makita). In the US is ok if they are on 5th or something like that. Because you guys have other big local brands, that a national american is inclined to buy. It's totally fine, you need to help the local economy. And that's why Bosch is not investing in the local market like in Europe. Where the competition is crushed easily. Globally, they are a mamut and will never be Irrelevant
This is such a shame because Bosch makes wonderful products, including their cordless line. Unfortunately for them, it is a fiercely competitive market. They did not advertise and promote their products the way their competitors did.
next, yes my company bought me Bosch at me request. then i got the same things to have at home. i went to central Ohio Power tool.
also the freak is a handy and useful tool for working boilers and chillers and other HVAC trade .
The Freak might not be quick but it's got some torque. It can remove the lugnuts of my F150 fairly easy
I was at Menards and got sucked into Bosch, I had no idea it would be hard to stay with them but I was looking at where the "made in" sticker said *malaysia iirc*. Now I'm sticking with them to be a hipster and not have batteries walk away as often as compared to Milwaukee or Rigid.
I still have my old W. German made sds drill. It died after 20 years of hard daily service. The new one I bought is made in China, it worked fine for the last 5 years of my previous career. Now it just sits on s shelf and now and then is used around the house.
LOL, Bosch. It's like they're trying to hide what tools they do have. If the company (and their retailers) are so unconcerned about the customer BEFORE they even have our money...how are they gonna treat us AFTER they have it? I, for one, will not be finding out the answer to that question!
I think Bosch is becoming relevant again because their price. They're offering similar performance and longevity as the other brands for around 20% less in many cases.
What do you think of the Bosch job site radio?
It's ok. Honestly I'm not a fan of any jobsite radio and would rather spend my money on a really good portable speaker from JBL or the like.
In Europe, Bosch is more common, but owning a bunch of Blue, i really hesitate to buy more. Their oscillating tool uses non standard blades(starlock) blue 18v batteries don't fit green 18v tools. So i wanted to buy some garden equipment which Bosch has in the green line but my batteries won't fit. Even though they are fairly common in my area, I need a good reason to buy Bosch
I have to disagree with your take on Bosch tools. I have quite a few Bosch tools. Corded, 18v and 12 volt. They are all fantastic tools, and I got most of them on sale. My appreciation for the brand goes back to the Bosch barrel grip jigsaw which to this day IMO is still the best jigsaw on the planet. I also have to disagree about the sales. Lowes frequently puts Bosch tools on sale and gives free batteries, or a battery and a charger. Just today I purchased the 18v compact reciprocating saw for $129 and got two free 4ah batteries. The quality of the tools is always top notch. I have frequently used batteries that are at least 8 years old and have never had one fail. I also have a couple Dewalt 20v tools that I couldn’t pass up because a got a fantastic deal on them. I got a steal on a high torque 1/2 impact that came with a charger and 5ah battery for $150. The DeWalt tools are fine but I still believe that when you catch them on sale Bosch offers some the best value for dollar tools on the market. It’s not the sexiest brand out there, and they don’t have in your face marketing like some other tool brands, but they are still very relevant. I’m a firm believer in that when it comes to tools… any tools you should buy what makes you happy. For some it’s Festool, for others it’s Milwaukee. For me it’s Bosch. I get the fiz when I use my Bosch tools, and if your tools give you the fiz, you made the right choice, regardless of who the manufacturer is.
When I bought my house 3 years ago, I went with Bosch for 3 reasons: 1) I already had a Bosch drill. 2) The Freak meant one less tool I needed to buy (I bought a newer one, not the original). 3) Lowes had a big sale where you got a free battery and charger with most of the bare tools I needed. The impact is great because you can leave the T20 on while using it as a wrench. It also has more torque as a wrench than a regular impact driver because you don't need to adapt up from 1/4" to 1/2". The only downside is you need two hands to put in a new driver bit.
My main complaint with Bosch is they only carry professional tools and don't have homeowner tools like everyone else. I ended up buying a Craftsman inflator, because it can be powered by battery, cigarette adapter, or AC. But now I have three battery systems (including Ego).
I've always been on the Bosch 12v line. Lowes ran a sale where they had their 18v 975 inch pound drill/hammer drill for 99 bucks and you got 2 free 18v 4ah batteries along with it so I jumped on that because I needed a bigger drill with 1/2" chuck and a side handle. Whale of a deal and I love it.
I have a Bosch corded hammer drill it’s a beast but your right the cordless tool do zero for me and I’m a plumber, I will stick with Milwaukee
I'm a 27 year old carpenter in Australia and have had Bosch for over 10 years, i love them but i agree with your point about them focusing a lot on masonry tools. They make great tools for carpentry but are VERY slow to bring out new tools for woodworking and have a limited range (planer is 10 years old and they still dont have an 18v router/trimmer). They are also not as popular as makita, dewalt and Milwaukee over here.
Yea their corded tools are great. Definitely like their routers.
I have never had to replace a Bosch battery, nor charge one. That extension cord is essential in my shop.
in europe its the complete oposite, in the stores you can only find bosch, bosch green,makita and einhell.
Cordless 18v bosch range been going strong for years. Also bosch is always ahead in technology such as 'Xlock'system quick release arbor technology and qucik release multi tool blades. Then other companies such as makita and milwaukee end up leasing bosch technology to use on there tools. This bloke sounds like he needs to do a little more research lol.
And what part of that invalidates my argument?
They are gonna fade away and disappear like DeWalt.
I switched from Bosch 18v to Dewalt after working a job with a dewalt guy and a milwaukee guy, we were all driving screws with impact druvers and they were so much faster. To be fair, they were both brushless and i was brushed. Gave all my 18v stuff to my son and re tooled. Still have Bosch table saw, 12” miter, corded recip saw and colt router, all corded.
Even brushless Bosch will be slower, but I bet you it will last twice as long. Not a Bosch fan, but they are dependable at least their top tier line
Almost every time my Bulldog gets lent out, the borrower winds up wanting to buy one of his own. I probably cause enough sales to merit a commission. (You'd think I'd get a complimentary tool now and then, but Noooo! Not even a call, or a greeting card!) Bosch tools don't have that cheezy DIY 'stealth fighter' look to them. Nothing suggests high tech, or bragging rights. But when you get their tools into the 'sandbox', they sell themselves, like Hilti. Maybe they prefer the industrial / commercial reputation over any amateur appeal.
I don't own any of their cordless, but their laser products are great.
Drills, grinders . . . . Just like everyone else. Where are the clever new ideas - the cordless power centers, the fans, the coolers? Where are the trade-specific tools like the crispers and paint sprayers? Bosch is irrelevant because they fell asleep.
Also: Where do you find a Bosch line-up? Home centers might have one or two tools. Professional supply houses don’t carry Bosch.
I went with the black and yellow because of the tools in stock that I could lay my hands on. I tried a Bosch corded router, which I still have, but I have to work too hard to use it. Just not comfortable in the hands.
I dont know, I love my freak. It sits in the back of the ¾ ton and has worked on every repair. battery does have similar issue with DeWalt batteries in that it has to be bumped to connect on occasion.
The only reason I use the bosch 20v line is because of their random orbital sander. It’s the best. I just wish they had a corded version.
Bosch wasn't first on Ohios site because it's their #1 seller, it's because they were listed in alphabetical order and they were first up....
I have to agree iam in the UK and had there cordless 18volt for about 15yrs I still use them on site because they less chance of them being stolen as everybody seems to have dewalt
Bosch has been in this rut for years. It seems like all of the other big brands know they have to cater to both professional users and us weekend warriors alike to hold their stake in the market, and their line-ups seem to reflect that. When one of the other big brands does something new, then the other big brands will catch on and begin competing with it, but not Bosch. Bosch is like the odd kid who gets picked last for the team. Not because he lacks skills, but just because he is odd.
You're not wrong their shelf space is tiny compared to 8 years ago. They have really dropped the ball on marketing their lboxx system was never really marketed in stores in US and could use an update. Milwaukee is currently king and its easy to see why they have a great system and their tools are decent enough.
Bosch 12v is way too late. Just the accessories line, mirror to Diablo, is what they have going for them.
Their 12V line was one of the first. My first one still said 10.8V because they went with nominal voltage instead of peak. Milwaukee has a larger selection at this point but they (as one example) came later.
@@thezfunkYou are so right! I got their first Li ion from Lowe’s . Never lost charge sitting in tool case. Hitachi came later. No one beat their torque ratings for years. It beat my NiCad Craftsman/Stanley throwaways: batteries died in tool box overnight and cost more than the driver to replace.
So who is their direct competitor for industrial tools? Milwaukee, Makita, Hilti? I totally agree with the corded tools worth.
Hilti and Makita are their main competitors. Milwaukee and Dewalt are just below those.
I have a Bosch corded random orbital sander that was made in Switzerland! Bought around 2000 I think.
Bosch was first on the Brands list at OPT, because it was alphabetical. I have the corded sander, works great. And the corded jigsaw, it works great too. These two tools, I picked because of their quality. if they are the number 2 tool manufacturer in world, I take it that the rest of the world buys their tools?
I would be curious to know your top 10 starter diy buy it for life hand tools and electric tools. I’m attempting to start out my collection with quality I can use for a very long time. Love your videos.
I really liked my corded hammer drill for years, until I took it out of the hole and the whole chuck and bit were still in there. It was pretty funny though.
Bosch they make my favorite waterheater
I have bosch and they are perfect what i have a problem with is how people want a tool can drill fast and not for durability bosch literally has the most durable tools on the market including hilti id pick bosch and hilti over any other brand on the marketplace
The Bosch CS5 is my primary circ saw. Even though I have an old black Sears Craftsman, a Skil, and a Ridgid worm drive, the Bosch is used 90% of the time. Likewise, my Bosch plunge router is also my go-to for routing. Their quality is never in question to me.
Bosch's sales reflect store support rather than tool quality. I suspect that if they were awarded display space comparable to Milwaukee, Ryobi, and DeWalt in Home Depot they'd do better. Same is true for the space granted to DeWalt and Craftsman at Lowe's.
When it comes to retail people are visual buyers and a 1/4 to 1/2 shelf display in the back isle doesn't get much attention. This entire video could have been called Metabo is Worse Than Done... .
The story on Metabo is almost identical.
In the 3 Lowe's stores I frequent Flex is much the same. On release they were pretty much regulated to a couple of end caps. However, they've recently been extended to an entire side of one isle. The professional market is slowly expanding for Flex, but in terms of retail they're still pretty irrelevant to the general public.
ok lets be honest. Bosch isn't in a bunch of stores like Lowes is because they won't pay the stores to be there. unlike crapwaltand swillwalkie. i have used Bosch cordless since 1993 and that 12V drill still runs. back to the factory 2 times because i dropped it from 2nd story windows. i also have the 24V set. the miter saw is great for small quick jobs at the site. what Bosch and Mikita really shine on about is they feel good in the hand. when you are using them all day that matters more the any other number you can name.
This right here. There is a reason that DeWalt has models that are sold specifically in Lowe's and Specifically in Depot. It's what Depot demands in terms of inventory allocation. It's that requirement that has Milwaukee in Depot and not in Lowe's.
Bosch cordless is plenty of places. But alot of those places cater to the contractor/professional and not the DIYer. Yes alot of contractors use HD and Lowe's. But many of them also use the industrial distributors you named off along with places like White Cap, Colony Hardware and other local and regional hardware and construction material outlets.
I’m a Bosch guy lol😂
Actually they work great for me. I have some corded and a bunch of 18v tools
Should I get robbed and have to start over, I may and may not stick to deWalt. It's not brand fidelity thing as much as investment in batteries... My tools are not broken and get the job done. And I don't have a love hate relationship with DeWalt. I'm satisfied without being a vocal fan boy.
Now, let's assume that sad scenario, I don't know that I'd be drawn to Bosch, but for all I care:
A) I know they are not all over the place, but I'm not worried, they won't disappear. I know a shop here in Montreal that sells almost exclusively Bosch.
B) They got all the tools I need. Period.
C) there is something cool about being the marginal one that is in the "less than 1% group of buyers". That's the least rational argument of the three, yet probably the one I'd admittedly have to fight.
In about 1994 we bought a cordless Bosch hammer drill. Its been a fantastic tool showing no wear with lots of use, until the battery died.. and they offered zero options to replace it. Sorry, obsolete. So I have a great drill that was insane good on concrete and tile with carbide bits.. still in perfect shape, but a costly paperweight due to horrid battery support. Buy corded.. They not making the AC grid obsolete anytime soon. I could put new cells in the battery, at a greater cost than a new corded high grade tool.
Bosch corded seems fine to me. If you are doing serious work, like demo, you probably have site power. In which case, why not use infinite run time? And even online sales don't bother me. If I was using Bosch for pro work, I'd already have backup tools. Two of everything. So if one broke, it doesn't shut down the job. You have a second one and order a new one or go buy team yellow or red to hold you over. It's not a big deal. What I would like to know: TTI and Bosch both have the US headquarters virtually next door to each other. Is there any significance to that? Do they work together at all? How did two tool companies both end up in the same small place in South Carolina like that?
I'm not really sure how it happened but a lot of power tool companies are either headquartered there or at the very least have offices there.
That's not the Bosch HQ. Bosch US HQ is in Chicago.
If they were made in germany at a higher quality level everyone would go crazy for them same if makita was all japanese but it's just another ok tool in a sea of them
This is a very interesting video. Thanks! Loved it.
I have the 12v brushless Chameleon and its awesome. I saw a 12v drill and impact set at Tractor Supply before Christmas for $99 and it was very well made but it wasn't brushless and the impact had 1/3 less torque of my 12v Fuel impacts. I went to Bosch website and it didn't appear that they made any in 12v brushless...
they do 12V Brushless. The impact driver is part number PS42 and the drill/driver is GSR12V-300N. The kit with these two is GXL12V-220b22 and they also sell some other 12V Brushless tools like the palm router, starlock multi tool, cut-off tool and more re recently a couple sanders and a die grinder
We have Bosch battery tools in the factory we work at,and they don't hold up.The skilled trades guys ,who get a tool allowance, 99%invest in Milwaulkee, and the pack out system. No yellow Some Metabo. We used to have Hitachi years ago,even used them in my home shop,bulletproof.then they merged and went down hill.
Love my Bosch corded jigsaw 6:38 and my Bosch 1617 corded router (and Bosch also designed the X Lock feature of my awesome) Makita angle grinder.
However, I don't own any of their cordless tools - based on the reviews.
I'm still good with my Milwaukee M12 line.
I don’t know 🤷♂️ their miter saw my favorite. But I use Milwaukee battery tools
I feel HPT is sadly in the same category.
Bosch is alright if you are already invest in a few tools and batteries. Outside of that theres no reason buy into that system. I wouldnt consider any of them great compared to other options.
you buy bosch more for the quality then the visibility on the market. Last 2 years they came up with the best tools out there. And ampshare is really handy and has a lot of potential to it. Because every brand is good at making something look at the multitools from Feine or a spraying gun of Wagner. They dont need to be in the spotlights. Because if the tools are good the consumers will find them.
Agreed. Corded Bosch is fantastic.
Bosch went down hill ?
What do you think of Hilti tools?
Same boat as Bosch. Fantastic tools but they could care less about retail buyers.
Bosch doesn't sell because they don't have good customer service for anyone who doesn't buy $10k worth of tools from them and they never will, try getting anything you buy from them serviced or fixed and they want you to basically pay as much as buying a new one.
whats the point of this video? just because you can't buy Bosch tools in every store doesn't make them bad or irrelevant...
My entire US shop is Bosch, corded, 12v and 18v. Zero issues. Bosch doesn't have a visible presence at retail stores like Home Depot, thus isn't held up on a pedestal from an optics standpoint to the average consumer. As someone who doesn't buy tools based on what's on the retail shelf, I chose Bosch.
Well said that's my reason why I choose Bosch in a nut shell I don't follow the crowd it works for me not following the next fool with the trading tools
I'd dont get the value of Bosh
Something that lasts: Makita
Something the most powerful: Milwaulkee
Something that'd a great value: DeWalt
Something that comes to my shop Snap-on
I just don't see why I'd buy it
@@precesionnoreaster1507 it's got longevity in value but if you don't get it you don't get it it's just what it is
@@precesionnoreaster1507 Bosch will last much longer than Milwaukee guaranteed as well as Default and the teal disaster.
@@precesionnoreaster1507Mikita doesn’t last any longer then dewalt which says a lot.
Dewalt is a great value if you don’t value your hands, bones and ears etc.
Milwaukee could easily make better and smaller version of their mechanics focused tool as corded but then they won’t get to exploit people with batteries which companies now use like they did with INK for the printers.
Then they way overcharge to make sure you will feel stupid if you ever think of leaving a negative review. 😂
If you worked with brick and mortar construction, you would never have a reason to switch from Bosh. Europe is made of brick and mortar, not sticks and glue. 😂