Reverse ENGINEERING Noctua's mythical DESK FAN
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
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Have you ever looked at Noctuas road map to future projects, if so you may have noticed there is one product on that map that has been coming for a while. That is Noctuas desk fan the NH-AAS, currently its scheduled to be released in 2022, but, I say why cant we make one now?
Items needed for this build.
Nocuta A12x25
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Noctua fan controller NA-FC1
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Fan USB Power Cable
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Filament used FormFutura "Jupitar Brown"
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NH-AAS Model
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this must be the only channel where people get excited about a desk fan being on a companies roadmap
Well, yeah. Because we're watching this channel we're all fan fan fans
ahh, maybe fanboys/girls also get exited about something similar from Dyson :D
@@OlanFantaziya Could you imagine a computer fan made by Dyson? lol
@@ggesdsdsdsd That would be great, totally over-engineered and expensive as frick. But I’m quite sure that thing would be nice looking.
Yup and we cant get enough haha
the "V" cutouts in the circular crown are not symmetric in the original design: one of the sides is normal to the plane of of the fan, and the other is tapered. that was, accoridng to a Noctua representative's interview, in order to "straighten" the rotational energy the fan induce onto the airflow
yeah i noticed that too.
symmetrical...... not simm
Yeah same. Make the real one.
Dont think it matters much, the original is already a pretty inefficient venturi design to start with.
Indeed, my first thought when I saw the montage of the 3D modeling. Also, I don't know whether there are any internal structures to it.
Would be interesting to have a shroud-showdown for these kind of devices, see who can get the highest airflow at something like 1-1.5m or so.
Silverstone AirPenetrator . Hands down. You can watch the old AP181 test on my channel :)
Yes, i very much would like it.
That's is exactly what I was thinking.
But how would you test it?
@@gregorychard by attaching ribbons of multiple lengths at the front. The longest ribbon that can be blown straight indicates the strength of the airflow.
@@gregorychard air flow meter
You called it dude, they finally did it!
I'd always assumed that Noctua put it on the roadmap as a troll, like Mojang used to put "removed Herobrine" on every release note. I didn't realise they'd actually shown pictures of one.
Now I just want a 3d printer even more, I really wanna see what happens when I strap one of my deltas to it
congrats! you've now made a finger chopping monstrosity that will chase you across your desk!
i wish you the best of luck and will remind you that the most effective application of a tourniquet is just below the elbow or shoulder and as tight as possible!
@@sirwilson6652 lmao
Fucking champion comment.
Vibrates off the desk 🤣
soo much stuff i could do with one😭
@@sirwilson6652 Delta airlines do it all the time.........no? I'll exit on my own.
It looks like the original model has guide veins in the air ducts to increase static pressure. It might be worth a try to add those to your model
Actually something like this would be a great way to recycle old case fans. Still I now want to see someone mount one of the ultra powerful 5 amp Delta Electronics fans to this thing.
Those delta fans are really awesome
It would be great, but not exactly "quieter" than a regular desk fan.
Yeah.. it'd probably sound like a jet taking off and then it'd take off lol
@@stephen1r2 "I can't hear you over how cool I am!" Delta fan users that I have met at least.
@@NaterNorris For real though, I think they would need a hell of a stand, because pushing itself off of a desk or knocking itself over would probably be a real concern.
Fan showdown will be interesting on the back of this.
Would be cool to see some of the really quiet fans tested on this thing!
What if "fan showdown" designs are combined with this unreleased desk fan? 🤔
It would be interesting...
The smoke test looked awesome actually
VAPE NATION
Yeah that vapor looked so cool, I love seeing fluid dynamics and the thickness of that vapor was so satisfying how it "gelled" out at the intake.
that thing looks pretty cool actually
Badum-tiss 😄
I think it really blows
I bet we gonna see this on AliExpress before Noctua releases this thing.
I hope so, the fan alone used for it is already too much money for a desk fan for me to invest in😅
@1488SIG I hope you don't have a car, a computer or electrical stuff... because 41% of the metal US uses comes from china. just saying (same goes for computer parts) lol
@@Keaton. glad someone said it. so much comes from china trying to act like AliExpress is the only thing funding them is just dumb
Who else got recommended this after the Noctua home release?
just for being so cool and open source and sharing things on thingiverse with the rest of the community, you have earned my like and subscription! O7 Salute from a sailor to an airman!
Ah yes, time to blast air at myself with a Noctua powered TF2 logo
i'd totally buy one if it was a real thing. i love TF2.
Oh, good point, sir, this kinda looks like the TF2 logo! 😲
Valve intro noise
This looks dope, definitely a must have on my future desk.
I actually made something like this a year ago.
It didn't have the finesse of a 3d print, it was paper, glue and cardboard.. but i used 3 noctua airflow fans and i have it in front of my indoor trainer.
It cools down my face so that i dont get sweat in my eyes.
Thanks for taking the time and having the expertise to do this.
Now put Noctuas NF-12 IPPC 3000RPM Server fan on it for the memes.
Better yet, the 140mm NF-A14 industrialPPC-24V-3000 Q100 IP67 PWM. Over a third more m³/h, and IP67! Sure, it's a tad less silent, but still... 😁
@@Xiph1980 at 3000RPM one can also push the average PC across the desk!
The 3000rpm jobbies are a pain to control, they really don't like being fed a low PWM signal. I used to try running them at a low enough duty cycle to run quiet, but much below 50% and they'd warble like mad, never mind trying to keep them around 1100rpm :D
@@Squinoogle Low RPM mode wasn't the idea. lol.
That being said, I have one as a CPU fan and it goes down to 500RPM no problem, either I'm lucky with the one I have, or you've been unlucky with yours.
thanks for including the modeling portion, super sick to see!
Noctua “ nobody wants this fan,
People who are interested, and waiting for years… “let’s build our own’
:Noctua YOU cant do that...
Im glad Im not the only one who is mad hyped for the Noctua Desk Fan
Their tunnels tapered on one edge and were straight on the other edge.
I wonder if that would be more effective
I noticed that, too. It even shows the difference on the cut-away. Kinda stunned he didn’t notice it too.
it is,at least according to Noctua. I recall an interview a representative made at a Noctua booth talking about the desk fan, and how the design was about "straightening" the rotational energy the fan induce onto the airflow
That would be much more effective, hope he sees this comment
I've coveted this thing ever since I watched your video. Where I live, there aren't many 3D printing opportunities but a customer of mine hooked me up with a place where they print parts for car and motorcycle customization. Went there, got the two parts made and... I came back home with a 3D printer they didn't use anymore, too small for the quantities they print these days. Now I have got that really great desk fan and I can dabble into printing too. Coincidences leading to good things!
And that fan rocks. It blows *just* strong enough for a desktop use. You don't want a too powerful airflow, since when using monitors, one blinks less. Too much wind can then make your eyes sore. This bad boy does the trick perfectly. Thank you again for that great project, I linked it to many of my buddies.
I've been considering 3d printing airflow ducts to concentrate airflow in the places it needs to get, rather than just blowing indiscriminately into the case and hoping the GPU fans, for example, pick up enough nice cool outside air. Reminds me of the old days when I cut a hole in the side panel of my case, then used a truncated sour cream tub and some hot glue to duct outside air directly to the MC462A heatsink on my overclocked Duron in like 1998.
Those old Swiftechs are such unique coolers. Jealous you had one I always wanted one (and would love to collect one but good luck finding one today..)
@@N4CR I don't have the big one anymore, but actually found one of the smaller MC370 (I think that was the model number) in my parts bin last week. Difference being that this one used 60mm fans (it had a pabst 60x25mm on it when I found it), vs the 80mm "giant" (for the time) of the 462A, and that it was all aluminum, rather than copper cold plate with aluminum rods. It still has the imprint of the duron die and 4 pads in the corners on the base of the heatsink. :)
Would be really dope to mount a 140mm industrial fan to it and watch it just throw the hell out of some air
Now make one for the 200mm 😈
i printed one of these and its great. At reasonable speeds it's basically dead quiet, yet it keeps you cool.
To calm everyone hype and interst in Noctua's Fan Desk: the target Price for it is $100
If that's the price, then I guess I'll go back to my original plan -- staying cool by screwing one of their CPU coolers directly into my skull.
Just 3d print this one lol
@@wargamingrefugee9065 i know someone who did that and they can overclock their brain.
At that point i'd just 3d print the shell and use a $2 voltage regulating board from Aliexpress to power it with whatever voltage i want. Screw the $20 Noctua fan controller too
@@capsulate8642 about that: is there a way to power and control a PC pwm fan with a USB adapter of some sorts? Or do have to get the 5V variant of the fan in order to do that
I just want to thank you so much for posting the SOLIDPart files - I wanted to re-do this for a 140 mm fan and the fact you posted SLDPART files in addition to STL is AWESOME.
hello, did you end up making a 140mm version? i'd like to try if that works better
I would suggest adding some rubber feet to the base. 5:35-5:50 you can see it is walking backwards.
I'm fortunate enough to have an air conditioned game room with a vent directly above me so I don't need a fan.
Yeah, I thought exactly the same, the base might need some rubber feets to stop any movement.
I wanna see the hovering ping-pong ball thing with this.
Fan showdown season 4: desk fan edition!!!
🥺🥺🥺
At this point I think Noctua really just needs to be a sponsor of your channel.
Looks cool ✅
Does cool ✅
The smoke tests look awesome. As the ducts are designed to increase the velocity of the airflow it would be interesting to know how much the air stream exiting the ducts pulls the surrounding air in and if that explains the design of the four grooves. Maybe doing a smoke test by providing smoke above the fan and placing a cardboard to prevent the smoke from going into it to visualize how the surrounding air is pulled into the exiting stream ?
Sweet, I'm going to print this right now. I'm melting in this weather^^
I want to print one, but I dont have a 3d printer
You could also freeze your clothes.
@@Oblithian I have an idea: 3D print a bucket which attaches to the back of the fan and the air sucked trough ice cubes for extra cooling. ❄
After 2 years Noctua is releasing this fan design, time for a duel?
Next video title is going to be
*“GETTING SUED BY NOCTUA”*
😆
I get the joke, but for anyone coming along who might take it serious: Won't happen as the files are open source and freely available. At most they take them down.
@@Arterexius if Noctua applied for a patent of this or similar design, it doesn't matter how freely or open source the files are.
Microsoft could release their entire source code for Windows.
But all that means is you can look at it.
Patents and copyrights etc are still enforceable.
Even the Linux operating system, arguably the king of opensource, is protected by a licence.
Granted mostly all that licence says is you are free to copy, modify and use the code however you wish, BUT any such code copied, modified and used remains protected by the license AND anybody else can copy, modify or use the code that you've copied, modified or used blah blah blah.
perfect display of compression zones on fans.. A+
I would actually use this as a side fan on the Cassis to blow air over the VRM's, and motherboard!
Maybe just angle the ducts a bit, and awesome!
It would be kind of interesting to see a build with small ducts that guide air directly into all of the small heatsinks on the board.
Noctua must love you for basically doing market research, marketing, and R&D for them on a whim.
You should make a 200mm version of this. It would make a great video... and would mean I wouldn't have to upscale the model myself :P
Found you!!! The only channel I found who has done this sort of thing! I need this for a home made network server in a tight spot.
Hah, I love how it is powerful enough to move itself across the desk.
That movement might can be stopped via installing additional rubber feets, right?
I have one of these on my desk. Thanks for sharing the plans
You should make this into a new and parallel version of the fan showdown. Like maybe see which designs are able to push a kart with a sail on it the furthest or something
Agreed, using an ultra light weight 12v RC portable power pack to power this little car so cables aren't an issue and you get full speed instead of the limited speed that the 5v USB ports can provide.
Very good directional flow and focused dispersion... 👍😎
Awesome, could you try making a version for the NF-A20?
Would be interesting to see if the shrouds put on front intake fans would impact air cooling performance.
Printed a 140mm version from thingiverse. Love it! Seriously just a great desk fan.
gonna need to scale this up for a 140mm Noctua industrial 3000RPM fan.
I'm not surprised that Noctua wants to make one. I am surprised that it is taking them so long. I've been making these style desk fans from 120mm fans for decades. Usually with an AC to DC "universal" power brick from Radio Shack (back when they were a place to get electronic parts) so that I could select between things like 5V, 9V, or 12V to control the speed. (Though a simple 12V and a variable potentiometer do the trick too.) Maybe tape on some straightened paper clips or cardboard for safety. A couple of big office-supply binder clips with erasers taped on for feet. Put those office supplies to good use! LOL Though 3D printing certainly makes them nicer. A kit from Noctua would be neat.
Ah, *bernoulli's principle*
Bro, thanks for the model, I printed out and its amazing, finally there is a desk fan that I can use while sleeping. Thanks a lot man!
I am seeing the new Fan Showdown Series 4 with this :)
Jetting air flow makes it go further? Holy computational fluid dynamics, Batman!
Would you put the music you use in the video in the description as well please.
Come 2gether - Ooyy. I had to find it too lol you're welcome.
Its kind of like putting your thumb over the end of a hose, making the hole for it to flow through smaller and it squirts out, makes the fluid flow faster
Yeah but optimized for something that has a hub motor and it creates 4 directed channels
Awesome definitely gonna print this can you make 140mm version? I have a few 140mm fans lying around.
Download, use scale function available in all slicers, done!
Scale up by 140/120 =1.16666666666 or 116.7%
New fan showdown making the best desk fan!!!
you reckon this would work well in reverse? how about as a soldering fume extractor?
you would miss out on the venturi effect, but you could always try.
No thats not going to help, if you are making a fume extractor use a simple adapter connection to a standard flexible duct (100 or 150mm), then have a intake shroud suited for your work at the end of the duct (rectangular, etc.).
Thing is you cannot really direct the negative pressure current. Even a $2.5K JBC FAE2 extractor with a 2" nozzle seems to loose any effect beyond 5 inches or so. The air approaches the intake from all sides equally, so to speak.
That's super awesome of you to not only provide the STLs but also the SolidWorks file in case someone like me wants to modify it
I wonder how effective would this be inside a computer case...
The high speed video of the CAD work is one of the coolest things I've seen in a while.
Us: "Fans are great for cooling off processors"
Noctua: "But what if they could cool off people??"
Bought a "Frame" with the ability to slap any computer fan into it with speed controller and a usb power plug a few years ago. Very very useful, but I got it for flame control with the event of no power grid. Im liking the shroud compartments on that though, very keen.
Thermaltake have already made the 140mm version of the tough fan. Would love to see you compare it with the 120mm one
Thermaltake are notorious for stealing other companies designs. And gor not caring too much about the quality of their copies.
@@perwestermark8920 the 120mm is pretty good. You know noctua's is a copy too right?
@@james2749 A copy of what fan? And does Noctua buy items to explicitly make copies?
@@perwestermark8920 Nidec Servo Gentle Typhoon. Major hardware did a video about it like a month ago
@@james2749 This article seem to claim the Noctua fan is not a clone. Which doesn't change the fact that a huge number of Tt products are rip-offs. noctua.at/en/nf-a12x25-interview-lars-stromback
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The color palette of noctua could be called "the day after taco bell" so I would say that the color in my opinion is perfectly in theme.
The outer cylindrical wall should be tapered inwards, and the ducts should be hyperbolic. Just got a desk fan for the office - moves a lot of air but not very directional. This design seems so much more suitable and way more efficient.
I'm sorry but knowing Noctua, this is going to cost as much as a second hand air conditioner. I think it's kind of stupid, haven't heard of anyone asking for this XD
Fans are my favorite invention, my favorite thing in all the world. My favorite is a late 60s Kmart box fan. But this thing. This thing I must have. I couldn’t be more excited about something.
I see the black fans moved back a quarter again.
The meme lives on, they'll never release them.
Hey, a tip from an audio engineer. Record your over dubs with the same mic you do for the rest of your content to get a less jarring and more consistent sound. Love your work
I'm starting to think that Noctua needs to fire all of their engineers and rehire since UA-cam can design/create their stuff faster than they can.
I live in South Texas--really hot and humid--so this desk fan would be helpful to aim at your mouse surface while gaming.
This is pretty awesome, congrats! I noticed on the Noctua press kit, they make a reference that this airflow amplification system uses the venturi-effect. I guess the inside of those outlets has variable inner diameter. Also i believe there is some inner fin structure to spin the flow. Maybe you could try to implement something like this in the design and check if there are any differences to the airflow.
You blew my mind with the design time lapse.
Good timing, i just printed myself a bed side table fan, it has to be quiet. I took 80mm fan, printed extra blades that were glued on the hub and then a chassis around it. But i was not satisfied with the regular vanes controlling the airflow, it is narrow but tall stream.. it needs to be quite focused for my case so i can keep more distance to it.. Fortunately i made it from two parts so i can try different designs for flow control.
Lessons learned from Fan Showdown have been useful.. edit: printing a central "cone" with flat top would give a nice place for a potentiometer with a switch, to have on/off and speed controller on the front.. It would also make it easier to print..
I fawking love Noctua! Can't wait for their desk fan!
Well turns out they did release this eventually :D
I had the idea of a desk fan (3x12cm parallel) a month ago and just did it - running at 8v and it's the best fan I ever had for cooling me. And so quiet. I just stack them on hard aluminium wires and connected them to a variable power transformator. Cost me 15 bucks.
This video is what 3D printing is for! Now please do one with a 140mm fan and compare!
Now try it with the center cut fully open. The higher pressure and speed of the air thru the nozzles may educt a lot more air thru the fan. It might even compete with the best you have tested. This a close to a design I have been thinking about but I don't have printing or CAD capability.
Mate, that CAD time-lapse was awesome! I wish I could work that fast! :D
Love the timelapse of creating it in CAD! It is awesome to see the process people use.
This is now my favorite UA-cam channel
Nice desk fan. Ive actually done this before but i didn't think to make a shroud. You can make your own PWM fan controller using a 555 timer in an astable configuration, its a great starter electronic project.
That was such a satisfying timelapse
Thank you very much for putting the STL files online!!! Good job!
Immediate respect for using the team america music.
This is becoming my favorite channel.
seems like a viable application for the slug mk2 also. That giant duct makes it impractical for most things but slapping that on the back of the desk fan could balance the weight as well as boost performance.
Only concerns, currently, would be: finger guards (some kind of cage / mesh-plate to prevent anything from getting jammed inside) and increasing the weight of the base so it doesn't blow/vibrate itself away.
I would also really like a way to clip it onto a vertical support, but that's an entirely different base with additional coil springs.
Desk fan made open source.
Quiet fans for the home office. Highest cooling for servers. Go!
You might want to look into it. They released the fan. It's called Noctua NV-FS1.
I still use my Arctic Breeze Pro. I think it's over 10 years old now but it works like charm still. It provides a nice cool breeze (as the name suggests), but on really hot days I wish it would blast more air in my face. Noctua however is my absolute favorite brand when it comes to fans and cpu coolers, so I am definitely looking forward to a desk fan from them.
The background music is "Ooyy - Come 2gether".
thanks :)
Poor Noctua has been working on getting their fan produced and now you've gone and reverse engineered it and given it out for free :P
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