i watched tng and ds9 as a kid, then Spike TV decided to rerun them all during my stoner-university years. i have nothing but fond fuzzy memories of them 😉
@@beepboop204I remember the Spike TV TOS re-runs back in the day. It had that 'counter' that kept track of stuff like 'dramatic music stings' at the bottom of the screen. I was drunk off of cheap plastic bottle vodka in college myself watching that. 🤣
They just needed to let Jonathan Frakes direct them all and give him a J.J. Abrams budget. Although he didn’t save us from that horrific Data “floatation device” joke in Insurrection, so even the power of Frakes could not overcome the forces of mediocrity.
Insane budget creep in since 90's is what has ruined the cinema. Back in 90's and early 2000's they could make better movies with lower budgets. Very reason they picked up Jar Jar Abrams to make mindless action movies with purely cosmetic touch of Trek is the high budget. You gotta appeal to the lowest common denominator with budgets like that. That high budget dumbed down Trek reboot.
Riker's comment that Cochrane isn't a saint, but that he does have a vision, and now they're sitting in it, that was basically a summary or Gene Roddenberry.
Another problem with the Baku is that, if they're relocated, the resulting technology could...also be given to them to let them enjoy the benefits of long life and health. They're not losing anything other than their *exclusive* access to immortality!
What I love about it is that we always saw Quark behind ten layers of irony as every word was said as part of a scheme, but this moment with Nog was the character speaking with pure sincerity and every word seemed to hurt throat.
I was thinking a few months ago about the differences of how Khan and Picard reacted to being compared to Captain Ahab. Both characters knew the book well and knew how it ended. But Khan, upon identifying with Ahab, embraced it - surely arrogantly thinking "his was superior" and he'd be able to get his revenge and succeed where Ahab failed and went full power, damn you, right into the flames of perdition. Picard, on the other hand, after a bit of attempted rationalization, was humbled by the book's words, realizing he was on a path he didn't want to be on and changed course. I like this kind of revisiting of the reused concept...
Turning Picard into an action hero always felt like more of an ego stroke for Patrick Stewart than in service of the plot, especially Nemesis. And true to form, the TNG movies basically sideline the female characters.
My biggest problem with Nemesis is its screenplay. Its so contrived and improbable that it sinks evereything in the film under the water. The nonsensical buggy scene is just cherry on bottom.
Generations had some decent scenes. It felt like a weird mish-mash of feature film scenes and scenes that feel like a TV show (as much or more than Insurrection). It’s also a downer with Kirk and Picard’s brother and nephew dying not to mention the destruction of the Enterprise-D. It also has an insanely convoluted plot. It’s the most frustrating movie of the original 10 films. First Contact is the only TNG film that feels like a proper polished and well-made film. It’s essentially golden and indeed better than Independence Day which came out the same year. Insurrection gets a bad rap. It has genuine human insight thanks to Michael Piller. People may grouse at the ethics of the story (but its questionable ethics is actually organic to TNG: the series), but the story is serviceable and it’s the TNG film that actually feels like TNG all the way through. (Though “Action Picard” gets old.) Nemesis is garbage. They can’t begin to touch the TOS movies, but I’ll take any damn day over the Kelvinverse movies are more like the Fast and the Furious with Pointy Ears.
First Contact is a well-made thriller flawed by its central plot hole. When the Borg sphere ejects, why does Picard order his ship to follow it rather than destroy it? Obviously, because there would otherwise be no film.
First Contact is by far my favorite TNG movie. While it has some minor issues, it overall works VERY well. The pacing is right. The mood is right. The story, while involving time travel, is easy to follow. There is character development. And we see the first contact which ends the film on a high note. We have claustrophobic combat. The have seduction and we have "assimilate this!" We also have all the tropes back, like "oh a new member in the bridge crew? You are a goner". But First Contact also works as standalone work of art without having prior Star Trek knowledge.
But it didn't make any sense. They are in the Nexus, they can go anywhere, and to any time. So go back a month of so. It was so bad, that was the last Star Trek film I paid to see. Star Trek the Motion Picture, although VERY SLOW, I will admit, was at least thoughtful, and the musical score was great. It gave a sense of the enormity and mystery of the universe, and the story was about what is the purpose and meaning of life? I know that's not everybody's cup of tea, but I like slow boring thoughtful science fiction. Science fiction films today, they are just one action scene after another, loosely tied together by something that might seem like a plot but isn't. If it was put into book form - more likely a short story since it's all fluff, it wouldn't stand up.
@@jameshagan2832 Oh, the film where if the Borg weren't stupid, they would have gone back in time 20 light years away undetected, and then invaded early at about 1800 AD. All the films were stupid.
I don’t think Antonia is that much of a mystery. It doesn’t have to be that Kirk had already left Starfleet and made an active decision to abandon her to go back to his desk job. Kirk was on leave, possibly after his post-TMP stint in command of the Enterprise was over, met Antonia, had a typically-passionate love affair, and briefly considered quitting Starfleet. Ultimately he decides not to, and returns to duty after his leave period was up. Definitely would have been better if it was someone we knew - a Joan Collins cameo as Edith Keeler would have been the dream!
According to the autobiography of James T. Kirk, after the five-year-mission after TMP, he was once again pushed into a desk job, and thus resigned, and spent the next four years retired to his ranch. When we see him at the beginning of Star Trek II, he’s recently come back as commandant of Star Fleet Academy.
I kinda always pictured this figure (when I gave her any thought) as Kirk's idealized lover, his Edith Keeler crossed with the Enterprise itself. This figure is the private "she" Kirk keeps deep in his heart.
Funny how Beverly eventually superseded Picard’s doubts about being a father years later and became a plot point in Picard S3. And that’s not the only plot thread from Generations to Picard S3 with the recovery of the Saucer Section from Viridian 3 to the museum. Matalas is such a nerd.
Insurrection always has me like, oh no 600 people, guess we'll live on the other side of the PLANET, could have happily lived on the otherside and likely would have never even seen each other...
Honestly I feel that the Borg Queen isn't outright bad. I just feel that they made her too important to the borg. "= I would have loved to have for her to be say an emergency creation to control the now weakened borg after losing their cube and going back in time. Would have been cool to see her lament having to leave the joyous chorus of the many and suffer the loneliness of individuality.
@@BTScriviner Sorry for the late reply, been busy lately. Yeah she would still be part of the collective but i was imagining that if she was still borg that she would have the some dislike for the concept of individuality. I didn't explain it well. Her ultimate goal would be to fix the problem of the group of borgs she is in are having so that she could once again remove any individuality and become just another drone. I guess what I meant was if say, someone loved to play the violin and spent all of their time playing it in an orchestra, But then one day they told that they can't play the violin anymore since they have to be the conductor instead of doing what they love to do.
I loved Generations, and the novelisation went into Kirk's Nexus a lot better (but then it doesn't have the same budget restrictions, and the special effects are always better). The one thing that has always annoyed me though is that Soran had no need to be the antagonist, and that I think is the biggest problem with the movie. Soran had been on a ship and got into the Nexus, but was then pulled out of it by the transporter beams. All he had to do was beg, borrow or steal a shuttle craft, fly it into the Nexus, not caring if the shuttle blows up, because he'll be back in the Nexus with nobody there to beam him out. There was no need for him to blow up several planets to bring it to him, he'd got in the first time, it was just those pesty Starfleet kids who messed it up for him. He wouldn't have been blown up in the shuttle any more than he'd have died on the planet. As for Nemesis, meh, not great, but there's a fan theory that the motivation for the Romulans to clone Picard so long ago is sparked by the stories about him from Alt Tasha Yar from Yesterday's Enterprise. I doubt they thought of that when they wrote the movie, but us fans have our ways of fixing these things lol.
"Generations" is my fave of the TNG films, despite all of its flaws. The opening theme is quite moving, and the TOS part of the movie was executed well. Scotty's words to Kirk, after being introduced to Sulu's daughter, about making time for the things you want in life - that's just one of the movie's quotes that have haunted me ever since, and it connects fairly well with Kirk in the Nexus, experiencing a shadow of an ongoing life with Antonia that never was, because he ultimately made time in his life for Starfleet, not for her. This all dovetails nicely with Picard's trauma - losing his brother Robert and nephew Rene, who was like the son he never had - and the Nexus showing him a Christmas-y life with a wife and several kids (including one like Rene) that he deep-down wishes he might have had. Moreover, it's really the kind of traditional, old-fashioned life his parents had wished for him, which he'd resisted his whole life, so it's really about his guilt at having rejected his family's ways - the ways that his brother Robert were so tied to - and with having lost Robert and Rene, also lost the last vestige of his family's traditions and values. And so, perhaps because this fantasy life is very guilt- and trauma-induced, no sooner has he finished hugging fake-Rene that he's able to notice the star explosion in the tree ornament quite quickly and then the illusion breaks down, sending him to Guinan's reflection. The film's villain opens up sort of a plot hole, though - why is only Dr. Tolian Soran so obsessed with returning to the Nexus? There were a number of El-Aurians on the Lakul - might not he have enlisted a few other traumatized El-Aurians to his cause? [Maybe the film didn't have the budget for Soran having a team with him AND having Lursa and B'Etor in the mix, lol]. I also wished that Guinan was less just an advisor in this movie, and openly battling Soran herself. But with Kirk in the mix and a lot of focus being given to Picard and Data, that might have been "too many cooks in the kitchen", so to speak. 🤷♀ I did like Data's development throughout the film, although maybe they went overboard with the jokes and cutesy bits - although his exclamation of "OH SHIT" and the song "You Tiny Little Lifeforms" are probably two of the best bits in the movie. A lot of people complain about Kirk's death and the death of the Enterprise D - but I thought his death was quite moving and realistic in a way, and the Enterprise D's crash was one of the most riveting scenes in the film, plus I think that ship, which was not at all militaristic and very made for television, had to go. The production staff were probably sick of that big old model, lol - but in seriousness, the successor ship, the Enterprise E, felt much sleeker and darker, so ergo more appropriate for a darker film like First Contact. I don't think even a refit Enterprise D would have worked as well for First Contact, and might have come off too much like what was seen in "Yesterday's Enterprise", which was the best the TV show could do to make the cruise-ship-like D look like a combat vessel. Oh, and First Contact is my second fave TNG film - it was dark, but in a good way, and while it gave Picard and Data a lot of focus, by no means were the rest of the cast ignored - the B plot with Riker, Deanna, Geordi, and Barclay on Earth with Cochrane was a relaxing and amusing counterbalance to the horror and suspense with the Borg on the ship. The Borg Queen was needed, and pulled off very well. I don't think the indirect and impersonal antagonist of "The Entire Borg Collective" would have worked as well. [Hell, the TNG writers realized this for the TV show too, hence why Picard was captured to become Locutus in the first place, and why subsequent stories focused on individual drones, like Hugh]. I thought Insurrection was okay, but not great by any stretch. Nemesis makes me depressed every time I've tried to watch it - it's just too dark and poorly written.
I feel like a plot similar to Yesterday’s Enterprise or All Good Things would have been better over what they chose for Generations. An age old question who is better, Kirk or Picard, why not do that? I don’t mean in a adversarial manner but rather an anti nostalgia and differing in command style sort of way. Kirk is much more the Chaotic Good while Picard is Lawful Good. Have the Enterprise B (Kirk and whoever else is onboard at the time) crew travel the to Enterprise D era through a time anomaly. Picard greets the Enterprise B crew and is revelatory to Kirk, but then a crisis occurs and the two Enterprises have to deal with it. The crisis leads to strife between the two iconic captains, which is where the real conflict of the film happens. Perhaps Kirk violates the Prime Directive, Kirk disregard Picard’s protest, which leads to a skirmish between the Enterprise B and Enterprise D. The two captains then have to make amends when a larger threat arises (perhaps a Romulan ambush). The Enterprise D is heavily damaged like in Generations and the Enterprise B sacrifices itself to save the crew of the Enterprise D. The plot is straight forward, but the point of the film is to show the difference between the two captains and to warn against meeting your idols. The biggest issue with First Contact is Patrick Stewart is playing Die Hard Picard; he needed to be more regal. Also, Data isn’t a Terminator, but that’s nitpicking. I don’t have the energy to complain about Insurrection and Nemesis…
Another thing in Nemesis that annoyed me was that they forgot what psilosynine was and suddenly Betazoid telepathy used serotonin instead. No idea who was responsible for this, but I choose to blame Stuart Baird anyway.
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." -Spock, Wrath of Khan "The needs of these space hippies outweigh the lives of the entire quadrant." -Star Trek: Insurrection
That mind assault scene from Nemesis is probably a misguided attempt the homage Dracula, with Picard taking on the Van Helsing role, Troi taking on the Mina Harkness role, and Shinzon playing the Dracula role. I would almost call it clever if it weren't out of place. Maybe it would have worked if they had doubled down on it, have Shinzon imprison Riker early on, have Crusher get brainwashed by Shinzon in act 2, it would have at least given those character something to more to do. Heck, they could have had Worf kill Shinzon with a Bat'leth. That would have been awesome.
@@harcomou8395 A good question. To me, it has always existed primarily in movie dialog: rap sheet and beat the rap. A google search lead to info that it is very old and came to mean talk (rap music) and punishment (a rap on the knuckles and rap sheet). Thanks.
I gotta address this borg queen complaint elephant in the room. The existance of the queen doesn't imply that the borg are not a collectivist species with concensus ruling the day. The borg queen doesn't seem to be much more than an avatar to represent the collective and perhaps, when a concensus cannot be found, the queen gives some final vote. That's how i've always seen it.
My main problem with First Contact is that it basically reset Picard's characterization with regards to the Borg. He spent all the Borg-centric episodes of the later seasons of TNG coming to terms with the events of All Good Things, but by the time for the film, it's like none of that character growth ever happened.
I don't remember them being very good, in the first place. In fact, I remember being sorely disappointed for virtually every movie. Generations was the best looking of the movies, and it captured the essence of TNG. It could have been a lot better if they utilized Kirk better, or simply didn't attempt to squeeze in Kirk at all. That said, the fan boy in me does still get a kick out of seeing Picard and Kirk together, even if they are only making breakfast. Shatner made the best out of what he was given, and he portrayed his death wonderfully. So, I definitely have mixed feelings with Generations. First Contact was cool the first time I saw it, but then all the flaws came out in the second and subsequent viewings. It's not terrible, per se, but it's not that great. The other two movies were either entirely forgettable and/or terrible.
First contact was the only one I enjoyed first time in the theater. Generations felt off, and when I noticed the Bird of Prey blowing up in the EXACT same special effects from ST6 I felt cheated…it felt like a sub par two part episode made into a B movie.
@@Clay3613 it wasn’t cool, it’s just how things were. Cold War paranoia and 80s commercialism helped create the stereotypical disaffected Gen Xers, including myself. I’m surprised there’s people in this world that are not jaded these days
@@russellharrell2747 To be fair, the duplicate/reused special effects were stated to supposedly be a thing they were doing every movie in one form or another (Regula One was a flipped-over model from The Motion Picture, for example) but the Bird of Prey explosion retread was just way too on-the-nose. Either that or they cheaped out. Or maybe both.
@@valecrassus7835 It's more likely they had no money for a BoP explosion shot. They already had to move mountains just to get the shots they did get, and ILM did wonders to make such good effects on such a low effects budget. The studio also just loved reusing stuff on Star Trek. That city shot from early TNG which was reused over and over again with some color grading until the end of Voyager and DS9 is a great example of this.
Nimoy's script changes were that there was a race of very large "space Amazons" with extra-large "space bootys" and a musical number about Hobbits. I see nothing wrong with these being entries into the lore.
I'm not saying I could live the life of the Amish, but I understand them. For example, I can't stand the direction that automobile tech is going. My next car, my last and forever car, probably, will be old, and understandable, and fixable. I can extend that thinking to all forms of technology.
Oh believe me, there's certainly something to be said about all the bloated "features" that have been added to perfectly functional devices over the past several years. But like...computers and the Internet are the reason I have a job, and I think people who blame "technology" for society's problems are looking in the wrong direction...
YOO! thanks for showing off your hot wheels models. I have the Enterprise-A and Reliant like you do and man did I get a lot of good storytelling outtof both of them as a kid. Man...good times.
Generations is a very strange and deeply sensitive movie. It’s closer to like- Solaris… than it is to say ‘forbidden planet’. I also really like moments of it. The old crew on the new ship. Once titans of the federation now just ornaments and lowly people-- but friends till the end. I just wish there was more of reason specific to Kirk for why Picards need his help. Picard literally just needs anybody… but I like Kirk not wanting to face his mortality and live in the fantasy. It’s a really human story, that once you get on in your existence becomes more illuminating and Franky -special. How many other sci-fi movies are dealing with these type of themes?
As a kid in the 90s I didn’t have any friends that liked Star Trek and we didn’t have the internet etc so I didn’t know what other people thought of the films. When I saw them I generally liked them - but my favorite was Insurrection and then Generations - I liked some of the scenes in First Contact, but it wasn’t my favorite - I did buy the soundtrack on CD though. But, after seeing other people’s opinions and reviews I now have a far lower opinion of them. Except Nemesis, I never liked that one.
Sometimes I fantasize on how to improve the script for bad movies. For Nemesis, I would dropped any connection between Picard and Shinzon. Shinzon could be a half Romulan, half Human hybrid trying to save the Romulan Empire and prove himself to be the best Romulan of them all. Dropping the pointless Data close would be warrented. That would have helped. Almost anything would have helped.
I remember watching Nemesis in theaters and being so disappointed. Tom Hardy as a clone of Picard was way too much of a stretch and pulled me out of the immersion before even seeing it.
before the movie came out i knew only that it was about Romulans and that it was named Nemesis, so i naturally assumed the big bad villain was going to be Tasha Yar's daughter Sela. It would have been SO much better had this been true.
Same, it was the first ST movie I saw in theaters. Halloween Resurrection of the franchise, just killed any possibility of a sequel with horrendous writing and needless deaths.
Unpopular opinion probably: 1. First Contact 2. Nemesis 3. Insurrection 4. Generations But to put it in the words of a certain romulan senator: "My opinion of the Star Trek TNG movies is so high, that they'd have to work very hard to disappoint me!"
To be fair, Star Trek First Contact is my favourite movie from the whole TNG. I rewatch it quite often. The story is simple, but it includes Borg and interesting relations between some of characters (Data, Borg Queen, captain Picard and etc). BTW I like your studio. 😊
Awesome vid. I loved the lore bits. Also of note, Penny Johnson, who played Kassidy Yates on DS9, was also on the TNG episode, Homeward,which mirrored Insurrection.
This is my order of all Star Trek movies from Best to worst. Star Trek VIII: First Contact Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country Star Trek VII: Generations Star Trek: The Motion Picture Star Trek III: The Search for Spock Star Trek IX: Insurrection Star Trek X: Nemesis Star Trek V: The Final Frontier Star Trek 2009 Star Trek Into Darkness Star Trek Beyond
Impressed you managed to block out RLM's review(s). Engineering guy questioning the plot of First Contact, Stoklasa lamenting the JCPenney catalog of "Browns & Beige" in Insurrection, questioning Shinzon's motives. Nemesis, with its nature vs nurture, COULD have been so much better. I'm on the short list of people who was disappointed when I saw First Contact in theaters. The plot falls apart if you take two seconds to think about it. Nevermind "why didn't the Borg time travel farther away or "why didn't they go a month before first contact". Since the Enterprise followed them back, there's logic to trying to transfer their flag there. But you know what also makes sense? Sending a dozen drones down to earth, scattered across the globe. That would have been one hell of an infection to be stopped.
I often like to Imagine that you could easily Switch out Shinzon for Sela and nothing else in Star Trek Nemesis, literally not only nothing would change but it would be slightly improved story and I guess continuity wise. As at least Sela is a returning character, and on top of all of that Mind As well also have Denise Crosby one of the Original cast members of TNG have a final appearance. Until they decided to oddly kill her character off, and besides I don't remember anything happening to Sela that would prevent her from coming back and getting her revenge or whatever.
Overall I liked Star Trek: Nemesis, but I think it does suffer from one major thing: it's basically a rehash of "Wrath of Khan." I'll explain. Wrath and Nemesis feature an antagonist that a genetically manipulated human. Both become exiled to planets that have extremely harsh environmental conditions. Both blame the Captain of the Enterprise for their predicaments. Both Khan and Shinzon come in possession of a weapon capable of wiping out life and entire worlds. Both movies feel more like a chess match at times with one side trying to outwit the other. Both movies feature the 'death' of a character that is insanely logical but has an uncomfortable relationship with humanity (Spock being half-human, Data trying and failing to become more human) Each character's 'death' is not really a death as their conscience is transferred into a host that can't handle it and are brought back later. The death of Spock and Data is done sacrificially with the captain in a kind of 'disbelief.' Nemesis isn't so much a bad movie, it's more a "this has already been done in the Star Trek films" thing.
The even/odd rule applies perfectly if you make one.... addition. Star Trek Insurrection. Galaxy Quest Star Trek Nemesis. There you go. Nemesis and Insurection are bot hodds. Galaxy Quest is the missing Even of the sequence.
@@balung Sg like that. It has a strong concept and follows it through with a very consistent tone. I know it is not a very good movie but somehow it's the one that stayed in my thought for the longest.
KIrk's death in Generations is actually one of my favorite aspects of it, because no matter how heroic you are, you can't choose how you go out. You can only choose how you live each day. The greatest hero ever may have the most ignominious death, but it doesn't diminish the life. It's a surrender of narrative control back to the whims of nature that I appreciate.
I've always loved the First Contact uniforms similar to the TOS movie uniforn from Wrath o Khan to Undiscovered Country, as both uniform have a high visual uniformity (pun intended) more in line with real life uniforms giving the department colors only small accent parts.
Generations - brilliant (my personal favourite) First Contact - brilliant Insurrection - brilliant Nemesis - terrible - literally moronic, more like Star Wars
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My problem with the TNG movies is that they feel like TV Movies. Using the exact same producers as the TV show was a bad idea, they needed aa Harve Bennet type That said, Nemesis did feel like a movie, and it was the worst ever so what do I know
What has always annoyed me about Generations was the "pass the torch" idea. The torch was already passed, TNG had surpassed TOS by four seasons. TUC was a great sendoff for the original crew. The first TNG movie should have helped support DS9. I've long thought that the premise of "Preemptive Strike" could have been re-written into a movie.
There's a deleted scene to the ending of Nemesis that would have made the film end on a better note IMO. As Riker leaves the Enterprise for the Titan, he meets the new first officer Commander Martin Madden, played by Steven Culp who later played MACO commander Major Hayes in Season 3 of Enterprise. Madden, intent on making a good first impression with Picard, requested advice from Riker regarding the captain's attitudes. Sensing the opportunity to play a joke on the new guy, Riker misinformed his replacement by telling him that Picard was very laid back and prefers to be called "Jean-Luc." Madden took Riker's advice to heart, and only after receiving a stare from Picard as a response did he realize that Riker was "pulling his leg." A new captain's chair is installed on the bridge, which finally comes with seatbelts and Picard is delightfully surprised at the upgrade, noting, "It's about time." He then informed Madden that they're preparing to go on their first assignment, exploring the Denab system. Picard thought it would be interesting, adding that it was a place "where no one has gone before". We then get the TNG theme song playing as the Enterprise heads off to its next adventure. It would've been the perfect sendoff, similar to Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country when Kirk says, "Second Star to the right and straight on 'til morning." followed by his final captain's log.
Although I've left a comprehensive comment regarding these movies I wanted to say something else. I commented in your Dune overview that, although there are things about the Dune franchise I don't think work, there are also a lot of good elements that I feel are worth exploring.
I saw Generations in the theater and liked it, but life issues caused me to miss the rest. Later, someone told me I must see First Contact, so I did, and... eh. These "return to old Earth" episodes can be cringeworthy, but mainly I was over Trek by then. I baled on Voyager after they turned into salamanders, and I never got into DS9. I did like Enterprise and saw most of them, but I refuse to watch "Dark Trek" at all.
Unpopular opinion: as much of a Star Trek fan as I was as a kid from the early 80s through the end of the TNG movies in the early 2Ks, I have had to admit that the only objectively good movie in the entire collection (even including the Kelvin films) is Wrath of Khan. I liked First Contact and Undiscovered Country as well...they were worth the price of admission at the time, but they're a rather distant second and third. The rest of the films are anywhere from "eh, maybe worth a rental" (Voyage Home, Search for Spock) to "man, this is garbage" (Generations, Insurrection, Nemesis, all the Abrams films). I think the most embarrassing part about how it all ended with Nemesis is that a young and unknown Tom Hardy made the rest of the cast look like the campy tv actors they were, and the movie was so terrible he was practically suicidal afterward. Lastly, Generations was terrible, terrible, terrible and I will never think otherwise. I'm not sure if it's as bad as Insurrection or Nemesis, as they're all hot garbage. Generations having a nonsensical plot is what separates it so uniquely in it's failures from the rest. That it wastes the TOS cast, even ultimately wasting Kirk in the contrivances of Act III, is one of it's lesser deficiencies by comparison.
Total agreement of the simplistic characterisation of the Odd / Even Star Trek Movies. Although far from the best movie, I've always has a soft spot for D'Vana Tendi... errrr, I mean Star Trek V. I'm also in total agreement about Kirk's death. I get where people who hate the scene come from but the Blaze of Glory thing would really have felt cliche. Generations had a different feel to the other movies so it felt like it's own thing rather than just doing a TMP era with the TNG cast. Though it had it's flaws, there were also a lot of strong moments in First Contact. Insurrection was a weaker movie, but very visually distinct from the darkness of the First Contact. If it was too similar in tone in terms of action, then it would still feel like a rehash of First Contact and hurt both movie's originality. Nemesis... in the same Way Phantom Menace would have been better without the distraction of JarJar. It definitely could have been greatly improved by ignoring the B4 plot and doing something more relevant. I sometimes get in the mood to watch the movies and I do a total run-through and don't skip titles.
As someone fighting against the current AI "revolution" I don't see why the Baku are wrong, they have a right to live how they want in the federation do they not?
I mean... holds up implies these are all beloved. For me I do love First Contact and I have a guilty pleasure with Insurrection... that's about it for the TNG films
Generations, as flawed as it is, is still by far my favourite. It has an epic scale the others lack, lots of locations, brilliant score, interesting direction and camerawork. I know most people prefer First Contact but I just find it quite confined and grey.
Honestly I think TNG's two-part final episode was their best "movie" by far. Generations is slightly underrated, First Contact is highly overrated, and everything else is shit.
This. First Contact ruined the Borg by introducing the queen. They were far more ominous and omnipotent before her introduction. To me, her introduction just made them like any other garden variety villain with self-serving goals. The stakes didn't feel high enough (unlike Best of Both Worlds), and there should have been a much longer and larger battle involving multiple cubes.
I know I'm late to the party. But the biggest issues I have with the TNG Movies are in this order: 1. Walking back Hugh and Picard's growth seeing the Borg as people 2. Killing Robert and Rene just to have drama when you can sell Picard's wish for family based on Inner Light and Family without killing characters in what is a silly way (they can stop tornadoes on Earth but not a simple house-fire). 3. Not fleshing out or writing Shinzon well. If you can't write a compelling or interesting Nemesis, how about pick Tomalok or Sela. They already have a foundation in the Romulan Empire and are better suited for a Khan-like villain. 4. The manual steering column.🤦♀
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i watched tng and ds9 as a kid, then Spike TV decided to rerun them all during my stoner-university years. i have nothing but fond fuzzy memories of them 😉
@@beepboop204I remember the Spike TV TOS re-runs back in the day. It had that 'counter' that kept track of stuff like 'dramatic music stings' at the bottom of the screen. I was drunk off of cheap plastic bottle vodka in college myself watching that. 🤣
Dude, the TNG movies are LEAPS AND BOUNDS BETTER THAN THE ABRAMS/KURTZMAN ABOMINATIONS.
TNG and it's follow up movies are krap -- all of it. In the future more and more people with agree.
They just needed to let Jonathan Frakes direct them all and give him a J.J. Abrams budget. Although he didn’t save us from that horrific Data “floatation device” joke in Insurrection, so even the power of Frakes could not overcome the forces of mediocrity.
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So funny still seeing a literal meme/internet/UA-cam legend just hanging out in the comments.
@@AcornElectronI know, it’s quite pleasant
Well put.
Insane budget creep in since 90's is what has ruined the cinema. Back in 90's and early 2000's they could make better movies with lower budgets. Very reason they picked up Jar Jar Abrams to make mindless action movies with purely cosmetic touch of Trek is the high budget. You gotta appeal to the lowest common denominator with budgets like that. That high budget dumbed down Trek reboot.
Riker's comment that Cochrane isn't a saint, but that he does have a vision, and now they're sitting in it, that was basically a summary or Gene Roddenberry.
This. JFK, MLK, the USA's Founding Father's, etc. Too many throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Gene's vision would only last until 2001. Seth McFarlane brought it back though with The Orville.
@@anicetune:/
Whatever, dude.
Another problem with the Baku is that, if they're relocated, the resulting technology could...also be given to them to let them enjoy the benefits of long life and health. They're not losing anything other than their *exclusive* access to immortality!
Quark's monologue in "The Siege of AR-557" is probably Armin Shimerman's finest performance.
What I love about it is that we always saw Quark behind ten layers of irony as every word was said as part of a scheme, but this moment with Nog was the character speaking with pure sincerity and every word seemed to hurt throat.
That and his "root beer" allegory are some of my favorite scenes as well. Armin pretty much made the Ferengi my favorite race.
I was thinking a few months ago about the differences of how Khan and Picard reacted to being compared to Captain Ahab. Both characters knew the book well and knew how it ended. But Khan, upon identifying with Ahab, embraced it - surely arrogantly thinking "his was superior" and he'd be able to get his revenge and succeed where Ahab failed and went full power, damn you, right into the flames of perdition. Picard, on the other hand, after a bit of attempted rationalization, was humbled by the book's words, realizing he was on a path he didn't want to be on and changed course.
I like this kind of revisiting of the reused concept...
Turning Picard into an action hero was certainly a choice. At least he and Data had stuff to do, unlike everyone else.
Dr. Crusher made a guest appearance.
Turning Picard into an action hero always felt like more of an ego stroke for Patrick Stewart than in service of the plot, especially Nemesis. And true to form, the TNG movies basically sideline the female characters.
@@BTScriviner I lost a lot of respect for Stewart after that.
@@Lexivorto be fair to Stewart they were movies of their time
Female characters on tng are useless a telepath and a doctor hardly going to carry a film
It is a FACT that Data pushing Crusher into the water was funny 😂
I laughed my ass off.
My biggest problem with Nemesis is its screenplay. Its so contrived and improbable that it sinks evereything in the film under the water. The nonsensical buggy scene is just cherry on bottom.
Generations had some decent scenes. It felt like a weird mish-mash of feature film scenes and scenes that feel like a TV show (as much or more than Insurrection). It’s also a downer with Kirk and Picard’s brother and nephew dying not to mention the destruction of the Enterprise-D. It also has an insanely convoluted plot. It’s the most frustrating movie of the original 10 films.
First Contact is the only TNG film that feels like a proper polished and well-made film. It’s essentially golden and indeed better than Independence Day which came out the same year.
Insurrection gets a bad rap. It has genuine human insight thanks to Michael Piller. People may grouse at the ethics of the story (but its questionable ethics is actually organic to TNG: the series), but the story is serviceable and it’s the TNG film that actually feels like TNG all the way through. (Though “Action Picard” gets old.)
Nemesis is garbage.
They can’t begin to touch the TOS movies, but I’ll take any damn day over the Kelvinverse movies are more like the Fast and the Furious with Pointy Ears.
First Contact is a well-made thriller flawed by its central plot hole. When the Borg sphere ejects, why does Picard order his ship to follow it rather than destroy it? Obviously, because there would otherwise be no film.
@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xxI don’t like the Cochrane stuff that goes against TOS or a Borg Queen
First Contact is by far my favorite TNG movie. While it has some minor issues, it overall works VERY well. The pacing is right. The mood is right. The story, while involving time travel, is easy to follow. There is character development. And we see the first contact which ends the film on a high note.
We have claustrophobic combat. The have seduction and we have "assimilate this!" We also have all the tropes back, like "oh a new member in the bridge crew? You are a goner". But First Contact also works as standalone work of art without having prior Star Trek knowledge.
But it didn't make any sense.
They are in the Nexus, they can go anywhere, and to any time. So go back a month of so. It was so bad, that was the last Star Trek film I paid to see.
Star Trek the Motion Picture, although VERY SLOW, I will admit, was at least thoughtful, and the musical score was great. It gave a sense of the enormity and mystery of the universe, and the story was about what is the purpose and meaning of life? I know that's not everybody's cup of tea, but I like slow boring thoughtful science fiction.
Science fiction films today, they are just one action scene after another, loosely tied together by something that might seem like a plot but isn't. If it was put into book form - more likely a short story since it's all fluff, it wouldn't stand up.
@@fuzzywzhethat was generations. First contact involved going back to first contact w/the vulcans too fight the Borg
@@jameshagan2832 Oh, the film where if the Borg weren't stupid, they would have gone back in time 20 light years away undetected, and then invaded early at about 1800 AD.
All the films were stupid.
I don’t think Antonia is that much of a mystery. It doesn’t have to be that Kirk had already left Starfleet and made an active decision to abandon her to go back to his desk job.
Kirk was on leave, possibly after his post-TMP stint in command of the Enterprise was over, met Antonia, had a typically-passionate love affair, and briefly considered quitting Starfleet. Ultimately he decides not to, and returns to duty after his leave period was up.
Definitely would have been better if it was someone we knew - a Joan Collins cameo as Edith Keeler would have been the dream!
According to the autobiography of James T. Kirk, after the five-year-mission after TMP, he was once again pushed into a desk job, and thus resigned, and spent the next four years retired to his ranch. When we see him at the beginning of Star Trek II, he’s recently come back as commandant of Star Fleet Academy.
I kinda always pictured this figure (when I gave her any thought) as Kirk's idealized lover, his Edith Keeler crossed with the Enterprise itself.
This figure is the private "she" Kirk keeps deep in his heart.
I remember watching First Contact on the big screen and it was one of the best experiences of my teen years.
First Contact is definitely my favorite TNG film
Same
Funny how Beverly eventually superseded Picard’s doubts about being a father years later and became a plot point in Picard S3.
And that’s not the only plot thread from Generations to Picard S3 with the recovery of the Saucer Section from Viridian 3 to the museum.
Matalas is such a nerd.
Insurrection always has me like, oh no 600 people, guess we'll live on the other side of the PLANET, could have happily lived on the otherside and likely would have never even seen each other...
Honestly I feel that the Borg Queen isn't outright bad. I just feel that they made her too important to the borg.
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I would have loved to have for her to be say an emergency creation to control the now weakened borg after losing their cube and going back in time. Would have been cool to see her lament having to leave the joyous chorus of the many and suffer the loneliness of individuality.
Wouldn't she still be one with the collective? It would just be that she's overseeing and controlling the drones.
I would have loved her to be a direct result of what they did in IBorg, like they fundamentally changed the Borg but not necessarily for the better.
@@BTScriviner Sorry for the late reply, been busy lately. Yeah she would still be part of the collective but i was imagining that if she was still borg that she would have the some dislike for the concept of individuality. I didn't explain it well. Her ultimate goal would be to fix the problem of the group of borgs she is in are having so that she could once again remove any individuality and become just another drone.
I guess what I meant was if say, someone loved to play the violin and spent all of their time playing it in an orchestra, But then one day they told that they can't play the violin anymore since they have to be the conductor instead of doing what they love to do.
I loved Generations, and the novelisation went into Kirk's Nexus a lot better (but then it doesn't have the same budget restrictions, and the special effects are always better). The one thing that has always annoyed me though is that Soran had no need to be the antagonist, and that I think is the biggest problem with the movie.
Soran had been on a ship and got into the Nexus, but was then pulled out of it by the transporter beams. All he had to do was beg, borrow or steal a shuttle craft, fly it into the Nexus, not caring if the shuttle blows up, because he'll be back in the Nexus with nobody there to beam him out. There was no need for him to blow up several planets to bring it to him, he'd got in the first time, it was just those pesty Starfleet kids who messed it up for him. He wouldn't have been blown up in the shuttle any more than he'd have died on the planet.
As for Nemesis, meh, not great, but there's a fan theory that the motivation for the Romulans to clone Picard so long ago is sparked by the stories about him from Alt Tasha Yar from Yesterday's Enterprise. I doubt they thought of that when they wrote the movie, but us fans have our ways of fixing these things lol.
"Generations" is my fave of the TNG films, despite all of its flaws. The opening theme is quite moving, and the TOS part of the movie was executed well. Scotty's words to Kirk, after being introduced to Sulu's daughter, about making time for the things you want in life - that's just one of the movie's quotes that have haunted me ever since, and it connects fairly well with Kirk in the Nexus, experiencing a shadow of an ongoing life with Antonia that never was, because he ultimately made time in his life for Starfleet, not for her.
This all dovetails nicely with Picard's trauma - losing his brother Robert and nephew Rene, who was like the son he never had - and the Nexus showing him a Christmas-y life with a wife and several kids (including one like Rene) that he deep-down wishes he might have had. Moreover, it's really the kind of traditional, old-fashioned life his parents had wished for him, which he'd resisted his whole life, so it's really about his guilt at having rejected his family's ways - the ways that his brother Robert were so tied to - and with having lost Robert and Rene, also lost the last vestige of his family's traditions and values. And so, perhaps because this fantasy life is very guilt- and trauma-induced, no sooner has he finished hugging fake-Rene that he's able to notice the star explosion in the tree ornament quite quickly and then the illusion breaks down, sending him to Guinan's reflection.
The film's villain opens up sort of a plot hole, though - why is only Dr. Tolian Soran so obsessed with returning to the Nexus? There were a number of El-Aurians on the Lakul - might not he have enlisted a few other traumatized El-Aurians to his cause? [Maybe the film didn't have the budget for Soran having a team with him AND having Lursa and B'Etor in the mix, lol]. I also wished that Guinan was less just an advisor in this movie, and openly battling Soran herself. But with Kirk in the mix and a lot of focus being given to Picard and Data, that might have been "too many cooks in the kitchen", so to speak. 🤷♀
I did like Data's development throughout the film, although maybe they went overboard with the jokes and cutesy bits - although his exclamation of "OH SHIT" and the song "You Tiny Little Lifeforms" are probably two of the best bits in the movie. A lot of people complain about Kirk's death and the death of the Enterprise D - but I thought his death was quite moving and realistic in a way, and the Enterprise D's crash was one of the most riveting scenes in the film, plus I think that ship, which was not at all militaristic and very made for television, had to go. The production staff were probably sick of that big old model, lol - but in seriousness, the successor ship, the Enterprise E, felt much sleeker and darker, so ergo more appropriate for a darker film like First Contact. I don't think even a refit Enterprise D would have worked as well for First Contact, and might have come off too much like what was seen in "Yesterday's Enterprise", which was the best the TV show could do to make the cruise-ship-like D look like a combat vessel.
Oh, and First Contact is my second fave TNG film - it was dark, but in a good way, and while it gave Picard and Data a lot of focus, by no means were the rest of the cast ignored - the B plot with Riker, Deanna, Geordi, and Barclay on Earth with Cochrane was a relaxing and amusing counterbalance to the horror and suspense with the Borg on the ship. The Borg Queen was needed, and pulled off very well. I don't think the indirect and impersonal antagonist of "The Entire Borg Collective" would have worked as well. [Hell, the TNG writers realized this for the TV show too, hence why Picard was captured to become Locutus in the first place, and why subsequent stories focused on individual drones, like Hugh].
I thought Insurrection was okay, but not great by any stretch. Nemesis makes me depressed every time I've tried to watch it - it's just too dark and poorly written.
I actually agree with everything you said lol
I feel like a plot similar to Yesterday’s Enterprise or All Good Things would have been better over what they chose for Generations. An age old question who is better, Kirk or Picard, why not do that? I don’t mean in a adversarial manner but rather an anti nostalgia and differing in command style sort of way. Kirk is much more the Chaotic Good while Picard is Lawful Good. Have the Enterprise B (Kirk and whoever else is onboard at the time) crew travel the to Enterprise D era through a time anomaly. Picard greets the Enterprise B crew and is revelatory to Kirk, but then a crisis occurs and the two Enterprises have to deal with it. The crisis leads to strife between the two iconic captains, which is where the real conflict of the film happens. Perhaps Kirk violates the Prime Directive, Kirk disregard Picard’s protest, which leads to a skirmish between the Enterprise B and Enterprise D. The two captains then have to make amends when a larger threat arises (perhaps a Romulan ambush). The Enterprise D is heavily damaged like in Generations and the Enterprise B sacrifices itself to save the crew of the Enterprise D. The plot is straight forward, but the point of the film is to show the difference between the two captains and to warn against meeting your idols.
The biggest issue with First Contact is Patrick Stewart is playing Die Hard Picard; he needed to be more regal. Also, Data isn’t a Terminator, but that’s nitpicking.
I don’t have the energy to complain about Insurrection and Nemesis…
I think I speak for all of us when I say: To hell with Stuart Baird.
Stellar cartography was mentioned quite a few times throughout TNG.
Wasn't Picard's ladyfriend that he played music with in stellar cartography!?
@@halfsourlizard9319yeah but the big star room was not shown in the show.
The big star room was cool!
@@russellharrell2747 Ships get upgrades.
"just as savage as they've always been"....so Q has a point....and Picard doesn't see it...or is in denial.
Another thing in Nemesis that annoyed me was that they forgot what psilosynine was and suddenly Betazoid telepathy used serotonin instead. No idea who was responsible for this, but I choose to blame Stuart Baird anyway.
No one cared
"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." -Spock, Wrath of Khan
"The needs of these space hippies outweigh the lives of the entire quadrant." -Star Trek: Insurrection
First contact is one of my comfort movies.
That mind assault scene from Nemesis is probably a misguided attempt the homage Dracula, with Picard taking on the Van Helsing role, Troi taking on the Mina Harkness role, and Shinzon playing the Dracula role. I would almost call it clever if it weren't out of place. Maybe it would have worked if they had doubled down on it, have Shinzon imprison Riker early on, have Crusher get brainwashed by Shinzon in act 2, it would have at least given those character something to more to do. Heck, they could have had Worf kill Shinzon with a Bat'leth. That would have been awesome.
Q: "Were the TNG Movies as Good as You Remember?"
A: I remember them as being Shit...soooo...probably...
I still think that Kirk dying on a literal BRIDGE was somekind of internal joke from the writes.
First Contact is the goat
"Jean-Luc, blow up the damn ship!"
"NO! NOOOOOOO!"
I know they as a group get a bad rap, but I like all of them. First Contact is my favourite
Rap!? Rep?
@@harcomou8395 A good question. To me, it has always existed primarily in movie dialog: rap sheet and beat the rap. A google search lead to info that it is very old and came to mean talk (rap music) and punishment (a rap on the knuckles and rap sheet). Thanks.
And much as I do love First Contact, I have too, always had a soft spot, for Generations...
So are we just gonna not talk about the plot whole of Scotty being on the Enterprise B when he should have been stuck in a transporter buffer.
I think that happened later. The problem was, he thought Kirk saved him when Kirk would have been "dead".
@@beezelbuzzelthe sad part they were both WRITTEN BY THE SAME PERSON
I just assumed it was after Generations and that his brain was all f*cked up for being in a transporter buffer for 80 years.
Shinzon's seemingly only linking features with picard is being bald and liking tea.
I gotta address this borg queen complaint elephant in the room. The existance of the queen doesn't imply that the borg are not a collectivist species with concensus ruling the day. The borg queen doesn't seem to be much more than an avatar to represent the collective and perhaps, when a concensus cannot be found, the queen gives some final vote. That's how i've always seen it.
A shame you didn't comment on Worf's purple space bazooka.
Anybody wanna pizza roll?
My main problem with First Contact is that it basically reset Picard's characterization with regards to the Borg. He spent all the Borg-centric episodes of the later seasons of TNG coming to terms with the events of All Good Things, but by the time for the film, it's like none of that character growth ever happened.
That a real thing. You make progress and sometimes you relapse. Or realize your progress wasn’t as deep as you thought..
I don't remember them being very good, in the first place. In fact, I remember being sorely disappointed for virtually every movie.
Generations was the best looking of the movies, and it captured the essence of TNG. It could have been a lot better if they utilized Kirk better, or simply didn't attempt to squeeze in Kirk at all. That said, the fan boy in me does still get a kick out of seeing Picard and Kirk together, even if they are only making breakfast. Shatner made the best out of what he was given, and he portrayed his death wonderfully. So, I definitely have mixed feelings with Generations. First Contact was cool the first time I saw it, but then all the flaws came out in the second and subsequent viewings. It's not terrible, per se, but it's not that great. The other two movies were either entirely forgettable and/or terrible.
First contact was the only one I enjoyed first time in the theater. Generations felt off, and when I noticed the Bird of Prey blowing up in the EXACT same special effects from ST6 I felt cheated…it felt like a sub par two part episode made into a B movie.
Being jaded in the 90s was so cool wasn't it... /s
@@Clay3613 it wasn’t cool, it’s just how things were. Cold War paranoia and 80s commercialism helped create the stereotypical disaffected Gen Xers, including myself. I’m surprised there’s people in this world that are not jaded these days
@@russellharrell2747 To be fair, the duplicate/reused special effects were stated to supposedly be a thing they were doing every movie in one form or another (Regula One was a flipped-over model from The Motion Picture, for example) but the Bird of Prey explosion retread was just way too on-the-nose. Either that or they cheaped out. Or maybe both.
@@valecrassus7835 It's more likely they had no money for a BoP explosion shot. They already had to move mountains just to get the shots they did get, and ILM did wonders to make such good effects on such a low effects budget. The studio also just loved reusing stuff on Star Trek. That city shot from early TNG which was reused over and over again with some color grading until the end of Voyager and DS9 is a great example of this.
Nimoy's script changes were that there was a race of very large "space Amazons" with extra-large "space bootys" and a musical number about Hobbits.
I see nothing wrong with these being entries into the lore.
Tendi is cute❤😂 And that statue of her is Bangin'!💜💜🖖🏻
If by 'cute' u mean 'hot af' ...
@@halfsourlizard9319 absolutely 🔥 😍 🖖🏻
I'm not saying I could live the life of the Amish, but I understand them. For example, I can't stand the direction that automobile tech is going. My next car, my last and forever car, probably, will be old, and understandable, and fixable. I can extend that thinking to all forms of technology.
Oh believe me, there's certainly something to be said about all the bloated "features" that have been added to perfectly functional devices over the past several years. But like...computers and the Internet are the reason I have a job, and I think people who blame "technology" for society's problems are looking in the wrong direction...
I love The Search for Spock!
Picard/Patrick stewart's having the time of his life in that dune buggy. Fed up with being stuck on the ship for every away mission until now......
YOO! thanks for showing off your hot wheels models. I have the Enterprise-A and Reliant like you do and man did I get a lot of good storytelling outtof both of them as a kid. Man...good times.
WE AIN'T FOUND SHIT!
It’s a crime that we never got any movies or TV series with Sulu as captain
Generations is a very strange and deeply sensitive movie. It’s closer to like- Solaris… than it is to say ‘forbidden planet’. I also really like moments of it. The old crew on the new ship. Once titans of the federation now just ornaments and lowly people-- but friends till the end. I just wish there was more of reason specific to Kirk for why Picards need his help. Picard literally just needs anybody… but I like Kirk not wanting to face his mortality and live in the fantasy. It’s a really human story, that once you get on in your existence becomes more illuminating and Franky -special. How many other sci-fi movies are dealing with these type of themes?
As a kid in the 90s I didn’t have any friends that liked Star Trek and we didn’t have the internet etc so I didn’t know what other people thought of the films. When I saw them I generally liked them - but my favorite was Insurrection and then Generations - I liked some of the scenes in First Contact, but it wasn’t my favorite - I did buy the soundtrack on CD though. But, after seeing other people’s opinions and reviews I now have a far lower opinion of them. Except Nemesis, I never liked that one.
Sometimes I fantasize on how to improve the script for bad movies. For Nemesis, I would dropped any connection between Picard and Shinzon. Shinzon could be a half Romulan, half Human hybrid trying to save the Romulan Empire and prove himself to be the best Romulan of them all. Dropping the pointless Data close would be warrented.
That would have helped. Almost anything would have helped.
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I love the way ST females make your pants fit too tight A LOT lol-
Insurrection is my favourite ST movie. It is by far not the best ST movie, but it's my favourite.
Insurrection is the best Star Trek movie, because it's the only one that's like an episode of Star Trek.
@@volkerthefiddler Just watch Who Watches The Watchers then and not the moronic kid friendly spew.
First contract is better than any other Star Trek movie
Its easy to be a saint in paradise...Quark puts it fantastically well .
First Contact is the best of the four TNG films - and IMHO as good as The Wrath of Khan. FC is an outstanding film in its right.
tom hardy as picard was a tragedy
That's your opinion
@@the-scamp it's a fact. the Prosthetic Pinocchio nose, the bald head. It was a stupid costume
I remember watching Nemesis in theaters and being so disappointed. Tom Hardy as a clone of Picard was way too much of a stretch and pulled me out of the immersion before even seeing it.
before the movie came out i knew only that it was about Romulans and that it was named Nemesis, so i naturally assumed the big bad villain was going to be Tasha Yar's daughter Sela. It would have been SO much better had this been true.
Same, it was the first ST movie I saw in theaters. Halloween Resurrection of the franchise, just killed any possibility of a sequel with horrendous writing and needless deaths.
Unpopular opinion probably:
1. First Contact
2. Nemesis
3. Insurrection
4. Generations
But to put it in the words of a certain romulan senator:
"My opinion of the Star Trek TNG movies is so high, that they'd have to work very hard to disappoint me!"
Watch out for Cardassians who have a different opinion 😂😂
Thanks!
Thank you!
I just watched "First Contact" and "Generations" and were just as good as I remember when I saw them in theaters.
Tendie is my favorite part of the video.
Where did you get the Tendi figurine at 15:43?
A super-fan of the channel made it for me as a gift 😎
To be fair, Star Trek First Contact is my favourite movie from the whole TNG. I rewatch it quite often. The story is simple, but it includes Borg and interesting relations between some of characters (Data, Borg Queen, captain Picard and etc).
BTW I like your studio. 😊
First contact was good. Generations was okay. the other ones were eh.
Awesome vid. I loved the lore bits. Also of note, Penny Johnson, who played Kassidy Yates on DS9, was also on the TNG episode, Homeward,which mirrored Insurrection.
I loved that moment where The Ever Collected Jean luc Picard. Loses his panache for a mini breakdown. He never felt more human then in that moment.
This is my order of all Star Trek movies from Best to worst.
Star Trek VIII: First Contact
Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home
Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
Star Trek VII: Generations
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Star Trek III: The Search for Spock
Star Trek IX: Insurrection
Star Trek X: Nemesis
Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
Star Trek 2009
Star Trek Into Darkness
Star Trek Beyond
I can't help but enjoy First Contact even though it's absolutely silly at times. The others I can't find ways to enjoy, especially Generations.
Impressed you managed to block out RLM's review(s). Engineering guy questioning the plot of First Contact, Stoklasa lamenting the JCPenney catalog of "Browns & Beige" in Insurrection, questioning Shinzon's motives. Nemesis, with its nature vs nurture, COULD have been so much better.
I'm on the short list of people who was disappointed when I saw First Contact in theaters. The plot falls apart if you take two seconds to think about it. Nevermind "why didn't the Borg time travel farther away or "why didn't they go a month before first contact". Since the Enterprise followed them back, there's logic to trying to transfer their flag there.
But you know what also makes sense? Sending a dozen drones down to earth, scattered across the globe. That would have been one hell of an infection to be stopped.
Oh look . The Enterprise's Shields have been defeated again... It must be Tuesday 🤣
I often like to Imagine that you could easily Switch out Shinzon for Sela and nothing else in Star Trek Nemesis, literally not only nothing would change but it would be slightly improved story and I guess continuity wise. As at least Sela is a returning character, and on top of all of that Mind As well also have Denise Crosby one of the Original cast members of TNG have a final appearance. Until they decided to oddly kill her character off, and besides I don't remember anything happening to Sela that would prevent her from coming back and getting her revenge or whatever.
Let’s not forget that the Original ones were not all winners too?
Overall I liked Star Trek: Nemesis, but I think it does suffer from one major thing: it's basically a rehash of "Wrath of Khan." I'll explain.
Wrath and Nemesis feature an antagonist that a genetically manipulated human.
Both become exiled to planets that have extremely harsh environmental conditions.
Both blame the Captain of the Enterprise for their predicaments.
Both Khan and Shinzon come in possession of a weapon capable of wiping out life and entire worlds.
Both movies feel more like a chess match at times with one side trying to outwit the other.
Both movies feature the 'death' of a character that is insanely logical but has an uncomfortable relationship with humanity (Spock being half-human, Data trying and failing to become more human)
Each character's 'death' is not really a death as their conscience is transferred into a host that can't handle it and are brought back later.
The death of Spock and Data is done sacrificially with the captain in a kind of 'disbelief.'
Nemesis isn't so much a bad movie, it's more a "this has already been done in the Star Trek films" thing.
The even/odd rule applies perfectly if you make one.... addition.
Star Trek Insurrection.
Galaxy Quest
Star Trek Nemesis.
There you go. Nemesis and Insurection are bot hodds. Galaxy Quest is the missing Even of the sequence.
Imho nemesis holds up the best. I know its weird but that one feels like an actual movie.
Star Trek: Nemesis certainly is a film
You mean a Movie feel as opposed to just another TNG episode feel.
@@balung Sg like that. It has a strong concept and follows it through with a very consistent tone. I know it is not a very good movie but somehow it's the one that stayed in my thought for the longest.
Ok, please, 26:00 please stop the bright white flashes in editing scenes. I'm watching late at night just being blinded by these frames. Please.
Close your eyes ;)
KIrk's death in Generations is actually one of my favorite aspects of it, because no matter how heroic you are, you can't choose how you go out. You can only choose how you live each day. The greatest hero ever may have the most ignominious death, but it doesn't diminish the life. It's a surrender of narrative control back to the whims of nature that I appreciate.
I've always loved the First Contact uniforms similar to the TOS movie uniforn from Wrath o Khan to Undiscovered Country, as both uniform have a high visual uniformity (pun intended) more in line with real life uniforms giving the department colors only small accent parts.
I really am enjoying the casual editing❤
Errrr format.
Generations - brilliant (my personal favourite)
First Contact - brilliant
Insurrection - brilliant
Nemesis - terrible - literally moronic, more like Star Wars
Picture of the Butlerian Jihad, perfect.
As soon as I heard raid shadow legends, I paused in my game and started moving my mouse to skip when you said "not a sponsor" and I realized, the videos 42 minutes in. Damn that is some strong conditioning.
My problem with the TNG movies is that they feel like TV Movies. Using the exact same producers as the TV show was a bad idea, they needed aa Harve Bennet type
That said, Nemesis did feel like a movie, and it was the worst ever so what do I know
What has always annoyed me about Generations was the "pass the torch" idea. The torch was already passed, TNG had surpassed TOS by four seasons. TUC was a great sendoff for the original crew. The first TNG movie should have helped support DS9. I've long thought that the premise of "Preemptive Strike" could have been re-written into a movie.
There's a deleted scene to the ending of Nemesis that would have made the film end on a better note IMO.
As Riker leaves the Enterprise for the Titan, he meets the new first officer Commander Martin Madden, played by Steven Culp who later played MACO commander Major Hayes in Season 3 of Enterprise. Madden, intent on making a good first impression with Picard, requested advice from Riker regarding the captain's attitudes. Sensing the opportunity to play a joke on the new guy, Riker misinformed his replacement by telling him that Picard was very laid back and prefers to be called "Jean-Luc." Madden took Riker's advice to heart, and only after receiving a stare from Picard as a response did he realize that Riker was "pulling his leg." A new captain's chair is installed on the bridge, which finally comes with seatbelts and Picard is delightfully surprised at the upgrade, noting, "It's about time." He then informed Madden that they're preparing to go on their first assignment, exploring the Denab system. Picard thought it would be interesting, adding that it was a place "where no one has gone before". We then get the TNG theme song playing as the Enterprise heads off to its next adventure.
It would've been the perfect sendoff, similar to Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country when Kirk says, "Second Star to the right and straight on 'til morning." followed by his final captain's log.
Just to stick my neck out for Nemesis: Young Picard is bald because Stewart in real life actually went bald in his teens.
Although I've left a comprehensive comment regarding these movies I wanted to say something else. I commented in your Dune overview that, although there are things about the Dune franchise I don't think work, there are also a lot of good elements that I feel are worth exploring.
At least Generations HAD a third act...
I always thought Insurrection was about cultural relativism
I saw Generations in the theater and liked it, but life issues caused me to miss the rest. Later, someone told me I must see First Contact, so I did, and... eh. These "return to old Earth" episodes can be cringeworthy, but mainly I was over Trek by then. I baled on Voyager after they turned into salamanders, and I never got into DS9. I did like Enterprise and saw most of them, but I refuse to watch "Dark Trek" at all.
In Generations, when Picard entered the nexus, he should have went back in time to save is brother and nephew. Then have Soren arrested.
Unpopular opinion: as much of a Star Trek fan as I was as a kid from the early 80s through the end of the TNG movies in the early 2Ks, I have had to admit that the only objectively good movie in the entire collection (even including the Kelvin films) is Wrath of Khan. I liked First Contact and Undiscovered Country as well...they were worth the price of admission at the time, but they're a rather distant second and third. The rest of the films are anywhere from "eh, maybe worth a rental" (Voyage Home, Search for Spock) to "man, this is garbage" (Generations, Insurrection, Nemesis, all the Abrams films).
I think the most embarrassing part about how it all ended with Nemesis is that a young and unknown Tom Hardy made the rest of the cast look like the campy tv actors they were, and the movie was so terrible he was practically suicidal afterward.
Lastly, Generations was terrible, terrible, terrible and I will never think otherwise. I'm not sure if it's as bad as Insurrection or Nemesis, as they're all hot garbage. Generations having a nonsensical plot is what separates it so uniquely in it's failures from the rest. That it wastes the TOS cast, even ultimately wasting Kirk in the contrivances of Act III, is one of it's lesser deficiencies by comparison.
Awesome video! I'm digging the new set!
And man...she's prominent 😂
She was quite … featured. Wonder if she’s been to any good malls lately?
@danoindigo2 LMAO
Total agreement of the simplistic characterisation of the Odd / Even Star Trek Movies. Although far from the best movie, I've always has a soft spot for D'Vana Tendi... errrr, I mean Star Trek V. I'm also in total agreement about Kirk's death. I get where people who hate the scene come from but the Blaze of Glory thing would really have felt cliche. Generations had a different feel to the other movies so it felt like it's own thing rather than just doing a TMP era with the TNG cast. Though it had it's flaws, there were also a lot of strong moments in First Contact. Insurrection was a weaker movie, but very visually distinct from the darkness of the First Contact. If it was too similar in tone in terms of action, then it would still feel like a rehash of First Contact and hurt both movie's originality. Nemesis... in the same Way Phantom Menace would have been better without the distraction of JarJar. It definitely could have been greatly improved by ignoring the B4 plot and doing something more relevant. I sometimes get in the mood to watch the movies and I do a total run-through and don't skip titles.
As someone fighting against the current AI "revolution" I don't see why the Baku are wrong, they have a right to live how they want in the federation do they not?
Your problem is not with technology, your problem is with capitalism friend
I mean... holds up implies these are all beloved. For me I do love First Contact and I have a guilty pleasure with Insurrection... that's about it for the TNG films
Generations, as flawed as it is, is still by far my favourite. It has an epic scale the others lack, lots of locations, brilliant score, interesting direction and camerawork. I know most people prefer First Contact but I just find it quite confined and grey.
I feel FC and Gen hold up the best of the four.
My favorite fan theory is that odd = bad, even = good trek movies holds up when you include galaxy quest chronologically!
Honestly I think TNG's two-part final episode was their best "movie" by far. Generations is slightly underrated, First Contact is highly overrated, and everything else is shit.
This. First Contact ruined the Borg by introducing the queen. They were far more ominous and omnipotent before her introduction. To me, her introduction just made them like any other garden variety villain with self-serving goals. The stakes didn't feel high enough (unlike Best of Both Worlds), and there should have been a much longer and larger battle involving multiple cubes.
I know I'm late to the party. But the biggest issues I have with the TNG Movies are in this order:
1. Walking back Hugh and Picard's growth seeing the Borg as people
2. Killing Robert and Rene just to have drama when you can sell Picard's wish for family based on Inner Light and Family without killing characters in what is a silly way (they can stop tornadoes on Earth but not a simple house-fire).
3. Not fleshing out or writing Shinzon well. If you can't write a compelling or interesting Nemesis, how about pick Tomalok or Sela. They already have a foundation in the Romulan Empire and are better suited for a Khan-like villain.
4. The manual steering column.🤦♀