The First YCS after the New Banlist
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This banlist was impressive in the same way that it's a cool trick when someone pulls a tablecloth without moving any of the items on the table
The only thing that changed was the tablecloth. The items on the table and the table itself are still the same.
tbh the banlist just happened, so most of the top players just brought the same deck they already had. So if more top players are playing the deck, then more of them will be in the top finishes.
MONEYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
@@FafliXx We'll just have to see how Tenpai shakes up the format, we're just about to leave PHNI.
@@four-en-tee I pray it changes things. It's good against se, so it be a counter. It's also much more enjoyable to play against, even with the infinite stream of handtraps.
Somehow the Fire King version had even less representation post banlist.
Snake-eye is bigger board with synchro variant.
the FK version was never the better one and this becomes more true the more people figured the format out. Notice how FK representation was at its peak at PHNI release and steadily declined?
I think the issue was mainly that a lot of people were expecting the FK variant more than they were the pure variant. Looking at side decks you can see a lot of cosmic cyclones and other cards that hurt the FK variant, but aren't as good into pure. Due to this, the FK players were taken out early.
Thanks to the early release on Master Duel, it gave people more room to experiment with snake eyes without the FK cards. Turn out that Synchro build and Kash Snake Eyes was very powerful and ended having more succes now
@@e-tan3911 Some of the topping players were going for combos where you sac the field spell, so Cosmic is not totally irrelevant, you can chain it to Flamberge's field effect.
Snake-eyes: 16
FK Snake-Eyes: 3
Scareclaw Snake-Eyes: 1
20/32 = 62.5%
10 YCS Champion Trophies have been handed out since PHNI released. All 10 went to players playing Snake-Eyes/Sinful Spoils. Banlists aren’t banlists, they’re product pushers. The conflict of interest between maximizing profits and creating a healthy dynamic for the game is so painfully obvious.
Absolutely. At this point I'm not even mad with Konami because they usually have terrible banlists. I'm more annoyed with players because they like to pretend these lists are healthy and good even though it's an obvious tool to push product.
@@Woarkeswat worst part is how frequently it happens. Kashtira went 7/9 on YCS wins in its primary life cycle and that was literally released one day after they hit Ishizu Tear, which went 9/10 on YCS wins between MAMA and PHHY. We’ve had three obviously overwhelmingly best decks in the last 18 months. Banlists have been about product for a very, very long time now.
Those are some scary facts
@danlay638 at least Kash wasn't teir 0. It was tier 1 with purrely, Flooandereeze, branded, and Tears sharing top spot with it at its peak.
Actually I don't know but if they would sellingpushers they would bann snake eyes. They didn't print new support for them in the new set. So buying new product doesn't help you a lot. Except... if tenpai dragon will destroy snake eyes. Then yes. They force you to buy them to defeat snakeyes
wait, nothing changed
Yeah that was kinda sad😢
New cards wasn't allowed yet, could be diff next tournament
Who could've ever guessed that not actually hitting a tier 0 deck isn't actually going to make it any worse?
But they have, Konami’s made more rogue decks less viable 😌
People just picked snake eyes as a comfort pick bec of such little time experiment, meta will change further, wish all you doomers would chill tf out
Nobody has time to prepare or play test new things for the new format, especially NA, people just bring what they wouldve play in the previous format to this event, and simply change Barone Savage to Omega Dispater
Yeah everyone just went "okay I guess FK is the better variant," sided for it, Pure came in with the 2nd best level 10 and level 8 synchro and nobody knew what to do.
@@e-tan3911exactly
@@e-tan3911Idk why some people keep saying FK-Snake eyes was better than pure even though the Pure version was always better. Pure lost it's omni negates yet it's still superior which is funny.
Pure cope
@@myoblivion420 Because people dont want to feel like they wasted a purchase on 3 structure decks ig (they did)
Jet synchron is cooked next banlist if pure snake eyes keep playing synchros 💀
They gonna start running the fucking T.G salamander package 💀 just ban original and the format gets 60% less cancer
Konami is dumb or what? if they want hit snake eye synchro they should have banned jet and formula. lol
They can focus on other stuff though
Shame if so
"then we banned all the tuners..."
Its journey to the top may have been stopped in top 16, but we all know Plunder Patroll was the real winner in our hearts
Analyzing this YCS is a bit isolated because LEDE was not authorized for this event. I'm looking forward to see the post-LEDE regionals.
And isnt it a bit too soon to judge the changes maybe its just me but i feel like you would need a bit more time to test out the format.
@@anteante2332 completely agree. It’s gonna take time to see the dust settle still for how people adapt and what really becomes mainstay
Look at the Ocg and see how thinngs will go, you people are just full of copium
A user of reason, thank you.
Yeah and it doesn't help how people had no time to figure out deck post banlist with how shit the time frame was for announced effect and ycs
The thing is, every Snake-Eye variant is STILL a Snake-Eye variant. There are way more versions of "pure" Snake-Eyes than Fire King because Fire King just covers a fraction of the possible Snake-Eye builds. "Pure" is just more versatile since it covers everything from Synchro builds, to Link climbing builds, to XYZ builds on a TINY bit of Kashtira and/or Lyrilusc stuff, to Hand Trap spam, to Board Wipe set disruption.
Banning Barrone/Savage/Linkuriboh did next to nothing against SE (it’s not like they didn’t have other replacements like Desper) while it hurt the other weaker decks that used them way more. It’s not surprising that the same decks is dominating still. It’s almost like doing ZERO hits on the actual archetype themselves was probably a bad idea lol.
It is like when they kept hitting tuners because of every halq pile. Surprise surprise, people keep playing halq. Ngl, they are good hits for the future but nobody cares about the future when it changes nothing about the present and we know they can very easily sell newer versions of baronne and borreload.
Tbf the ban list probably hurt more rogue or tier 2/1 decks more. They don't have the layered interactions like fire decks have.
Kash losing baronne kind of hurt too since they don't have a good way to play around nib now.
Other decks relied on savage and baronne more than snake eyes did.😊
As I thought TCG banlist was funny one, they hit the end board not the actual problematic cards and this the result "nothing changed"
Exactly what I've been trying to tell people. I've noticed a lot of players tend to retrospectively justify konami's banlist even though it's not a problem they identified (and is usually driven solely but monetary reasons not game health). Doesn't always make it wrong to do so but it happens time and time again and it's hilarious.
I still do not understand how anyone thought this was a good list. There were 0 impactful changes outside of floodgate hits and the most recent event proves my point.
Konami needs to nuke this format from orbit.
They will after the megatins. Once they can milk you for the reprints.
it was a good list in hitting stuff people didnt like, generic ED negates, its just that is like no. 10 or even lower on the things on the complaints list.
Everyone wanted even SOME direct hits to snake-eyes. like hell even something as simple as a flamberge dragon limit would have done more in actually reigning in snake-eyes than just hitting their endboard cause it would open them up to a nib. i dont really understand how someone would think the banlist stops snake-eyes when they still can play through a lot of handtraps, still put out enough distruption, still keep putting bodies on board during your turn AND do it all over again next turn.
people were salty about 'you need to draw the out' against ariseheart pass but snake-eyes usually needs you to draw 2 cause no single board breaker or going second card is gonna put you at enough of an advantage.
It's hilarious how Floodgate hits resulted in more Floodgate deck topping.
It was a good list for the general health of the game not the state of the format, snake eye will eventually get dealt with some way or another like every other top deck once konami decides they want to rotate it out but in the long term getting rid of generic negates makes the game less degenerate and allows for more diverse endboards instead of every combo deck being a different flavor of baronne savage apo turbo, also floodgate hits are always great.
The hits were still good it just needed actual snake-eye hits to go with them.
It’s almost as if not hitting the deck wouldn’t change a thing…who would’ve thought.
The ban list 100% was help to clear the way for Tenpai Dragons to do well. That deck will definitely be something to play around once it drops. I imagine Snake-Eye FK will still be the best deck once the new set is out but Tenpai should be able to compete hopefully.
You see the vision glad some ppl are oblivious to it
Agreed tenpai sucks vs a omni board. Thats why they run so much handtraps
Tenpai got second and had 6% of the top cut. Basically the same situation at Raleigh as the Lab player.
The opening of the video has more cuts than a Marvel movie.
20/32 snake eyes in top, but we have to sell sets people. Health of the format really doesn't matter any more.
Hasn't since about 2014/15
Because people keep buying it. Until the players start punishing Konami for not giving a shit about them, Konami will just keep fucking them over
@@gtrgrgthAnd then the game dies and players get blamed either way.
Can we stop with "vote with your dollar" nonsense?
@Thatsnotgonnawork disagreed. Once Konami starts seeing their bullshit approach doesn't work anymore and that the players care about the actual game, there is profit incentive to move towards fixing the game for the players rather than just treating us all like piggy banks
This YCS will be good to compare to once Tenpai dragons are legal. We will see how they shape up the meta
People need just admit the problem cards didn't get hit and now a bunch rouge decks got massacred.
In master duel I've been playing without the synchros since the the beginning. It was only maybe 1/10 times I actually got access to jet synchron, and the other 9 times id just have to go for masquerena. Replaced it with the Zeus package for playing through shifter and going second, and extra Promethean for how many people are playing kashtira unicorn
Crazy how baronne, savage and f**ing linkuriboh wasn't the problem
Wow look at that the banlist did nothing and gap between Rogue and tiered is larger than ever.
Rouge ?
@@knmrt2760he spelled rogue right
@@jeanpitre5789 he edited the spelling lol
Turns out when you don’t hit the main engine, the pilot will just find new generic extra deck cards to abuse.
Wow who knew?
The option to ban jet synchron is always exist lol, but hey, let's just ban the totally replaceable end board monster!
Boardbreakers aren't great when you are getting hand loop and your opponent also like 2/3 hand traps on top of thier end board
personally, given how close to ycs raleigh the banlist dropped, I'm more inclined to hold any actual thoughts until at least the next one
but if I was forced to give thoughts on based purely upon the results of this ycs, I think simplified would be the follows: good banlist for the overall health of the game, bad banlist for the immediate impact of the game
I knew that Snake Eyes would find some bullshit to replace Baronne and Savage, but I'll admit looping Omega using Dis Pater wasn't on my radar.
My issue with the barone ban is the exact same as I had with the Isolde ban, I’m not arguing the card isnt broken or that shouldnt be banned, but was that really the most pressing issue in the format? I wish they hit snake eye properly first, then we can talk about it banning barone, now it just feels like there’s even less options
Nah banning Baronne was essential. Generic omni-negates have no place in the game anymore. And Baronne has been around for at least three years in literally every deck. It was time for it and Savage Dragon to go.
@@robertf1309 Just admit that you didn't like getting flossed on by rogue decks.
@@IAngelofFuryINo one cares about your shit rogue deck being able putting up a Baronne just to lose anyways lmao.
@@IAngelofFuryI Tier 0 decks use baronne better than Rogue decks. People out here thinking generics are the only thing saving Rogue decks. Maybe with the generic banned, they'll actually print your archetype's baronne without needing to compete with Baronne for once
@@leekyonion We both know thats not gonna happen lmao, sure tiered decks use baronne and savage better but that still also gimps rogue decks aswell who do not have as good a base as tiered decks
Handripping is utilized in SHS though Calamity lock is more popular. Don’t worry about HT format, Tenpai will have more handtraps. Maybe Limited Falmberge when Snake-eyes Diabellstar comes. Then Pure Snake-eyes can extend with SE Diabellstar and Yubel support. Yubel support actually can work in SE deck.
There was hardly any prep time for this format. I think now that we have a baseline for what is going on that players will now be able to combat this better. Next YCS will be a big indicator of what's really going to be the top dogs in this format
omg finally someone who can pronounce Raleigh correctly you just earned my sub
The next banlist will go after Snake Eyes but only in a time where Tenpai is running around 😂 😂😂😂
The most infuriating thing about the Omega/Dis Pater combo is that if they manage to extend though your handtraps and rip two additional cards, you're just done.
That aside, I think the format is still going to change up a bit after people are more familiar with this variant. Given that Handloops are now in the format again (and probably will stay there with new Water support on the horizon), that's an even stronger case for Boardbreakers over Handtraps.
I really think sometime down the line flamberge dragon will have to get banned only for its mini soul charge effect. Most the reason to me it feels like you need 18 Handtraps is cause on top of having a crazy board flamberge is a massive part of the decks literally infinite follow up that just guarantees they will destroy you on the crack back
Lede set already had a card that could replace flamberge usage
Hitting him still doesnt change anything
@@abdurachmanromzy4778what was it?
@@jasonl.7170 snake-eyes diabelstar (basically poplus on steroid in its art)
Ocg use it to replace flamberge
@@jasonl.7170snake-eyes birch is a free special summon and not played at all in the snake-eyes deck. If flameberge is banned I can see it being used
Now that you say it, it reminds me of how the current MD event has flamberge banned and it makes me feel SE is almost fair without it.
I enjoy pure snake-eye and will just keep leaning into the lore to the detriment of my deck until I achieve neo branded.
the banlist was ass. in what dimension are two omnis more oppressive than a 2 turn lingering floodgate?
Did people really spected the best deck that got 0 direct hits on the list to lose popularity and win rate? Xd
I would like a limit to flamberge. Just so it doesn’t cycle itself if you get rid of it
limit flameberge doesn't do anything, post LEDE everyone will play only 1 flameberge due to new card released "snake-eye diabellestar" could recycle back flameberge into s/t zone. Genuine argument from me might be limiting snake-eye ash is enough and wait until the deck got powercrept by new card releases
why is bondfire not touched yet
The only people that can deal with Konami and that starts with the printing of the cards because they have some very terrible card design. Love the game but shit will never change with this game
I can’t tell if the results of this YCS are because it did not give players time to lab out alternative strategies so everyone just played what they already were going to but sub in similar cards aka dis pater omega, OR that this is a symptom of a banlist that made the top deck weaker but also made EVERYONE weaker so nothing meaningfully changes. Like sure snake eyes can’t protect themselves with barrone anymore, but neither can dragon link/swordsoul/pendulum/any other deck. Everything just shifted together so what was on top stays on top.
i called it, people were gonna experiment, realize snake eyes is still broken, and go back to it
but also ban runick fountain, ill take any tier format without runick
Because it didn’t get hit… everyone else did lmao
@@SauceYT0300 the old SE board got killed
I mean, how much did people experiment really in only one week?
@saragossid.aschenberg7992 link snake eyes has been dominating Japan for a year. Anyone smart knew that synchros didn't matter.
That guess wasnt that hard xD
I don't understand why yall are surprised SE is most presentation. They banned baronne and savage, they didn't hit SE. SMH.
Kinda like with fighting games, the best character gets nerfed, unless butchered, the best players keep playing and winning with them for a few weeks! Because they’re still the best players and they’re more familiar with these characters than the new “best character.”
But they switch once they’re ready to use an objectively better character.
I'm interested in how yubel post field spell and phantom of yubel will affect the current meta. The deck is crazy and has better interruptions than snake eyes.
Deck is cool but dies really hard to nib without phantom
I'm still in disbelief that people thought banning the cards around the problem was the way to go about it. I guess people care more about seeing the cards they hate be banned than have the banlist actually do its job.
This is how this community thinks. Hive mind.
This banlist makes impossible to play rouge deck that doesn't use arctypes. There's always a hierarchy of arctypes. Once again rip creativity
The only reason why Snake Eyes can play so many handtraps is because every card is 1 card full combo. Konami needs to stop printing decks with 15+ 1 card combos and the problem will be solved.
Manadium is the most recent version of non-one card combos. Thoughts?
"B..But think of the profits of people rushing to buying new stuff"
I expected Snake-Eyes to still be the top deck but I didn't think it would be the pure variant. I thought more people would move to Snake-Eyes Fire King but I also didn't think people would find replacements for Savage and Baronne so quickly. Maybe at the next major event we may see changes but something tells me the pure variant is sticking around.
Same I expected FKSE to be the best deck after the bans do to the hit to the end board of the pure version
Totally agree that the generic omni negates have been a problem for way longer so I don't think it was a dud, but that also doesn't change the fact that I hate snake eyes and handtrap wars and just won't be playing the game until the format changes
I went Undefeated for 5 weeks in the OCG with 0 Synchros. So yeah. Hitting the Synchros was definitely NOT a Snake Eyes hit 😂. Konami might as well have not released a Banlist at all.
Same in masterduel lol
@@elrompecabezasdelmilenio6210 True. What a non Banlist.
@@lun-gi-oh1556 thats what i thought, i also played against pure snake-eye in locals (OCG), no one play savage baronne list after LEDE released, but when I made argument about this banlist, people in TCG just brings up "maxx c" argument again on the table without a clue 😂
@@hamster6216 😂. Yeah bro. In the TCG people always refer to Maxx C as the main reason for differences but it really isn't most of the time.
Snake eyes still beats tenpai since you can sp the field spell then your hand traps still have an impact
Tenpai is ALWAYS going second. So you can't exactly S:P the field spell. Tenpai is running as many handtraps as snake-eyes. They could lightning storm, imperm, vieler, ghost ogre, or literally any board breaker before ever putting the spell on field, thus forcing you to make S:P early and then making S:P useless.
@@jeanpitre5789 and snake eyes can just ash or ogre the field spell, imperm or ghost mourne inr battle phase, or side judgment, d barrier, threatening roar or messenger of peace. The deck isn't a real threat until infinite forbidden. And snake eyes is a lot more consistent.
Pure snake eyes rarely goes into the synchros, at least from my experience. Heck, I've even seen builds that didn't run thrm at all. I don't know why people though hitting Barone and Savage would change anything.
I was today years old when I learned my opponent could use de-fusion on my fusion monster. Go figure
I want to see the Scareclaw snake eyes list
Even if people had more time to prepare the end result would still be snake eye dominance.
I’m still shocked Branded has remained at full power for…what 2 years? 3 years? And has ranged from the best deck to tier 2 deck. Usually TCG is quick to deal with problems but I guess even they are Branded stands.
i watched this yesterday live
It'd be funny if they hit fire king before hitting snake eye. It seems like a Konami move to start hitting the hand traps before addressing the problem cards.
The banlist was nice for futureproofing. Snake-Eyes is still on top for now, yes, but it's not untouchable like it used to be.
Lmao dude is even worse, I prefer a lot more to fase baronne that the freaking hand loop + Handtraps behind
Not a surprise tbh
Let's go
ay one of my favorite fellow snake players
Imagine playing a deck that relies on you drawing a floodgate and going first
I think its just because its a ycs. Nobody thinks " i can't wait to reveal my new strat for ycs". They just go for the old reliable and that's it. I hope things develop better at locals where the stakes are lower and people experiment more.
What? How is snake-eyes still the best deck after we hit linkuriboh? It was totally the correct hit and not something made to keep the cards selling right?
*shocked Pikachu face*
Dont see how LEDE is going to change the meta. Hell SE gets even more support with LEDE if they opt. So have to wait for INFO i feel like. Half a year of 1 deck dominating...lovely.
No because of the banlist tenpai got a better chance to win going second now. So it could be tier 2.
If they wanted to hit the pure version they should have hit jet Synchron instead of Baronne and Borreload because Dis Pater and Omega are functionally similar. They didn't ban Laplacian, they banned circular. Should have used the same logic here.
relaaax people~ when they inevitably ban omega and dis pater in the next banlist the format is sure to be saved!
Turns out baronne and savage are the least of problems when it comes to fire
Roda is at one and it made so many decks fair
It seems pretty obvious at this point that Snake-Eyes needs to have 2 Ash taken away and I think also maybe WANTED to 1. I wouldn't hit bonfire because I kinda like that it's non-specific to Pyro, so other decks can have fun with it. But the Snake-Eye engine is what needs to be hit, not the end board, otherwise they'll just end up banning every good extra deck monster for the sins of this one deck.
Why are people surprised by this? They had what like barely a week to prep after the ban list dropped?
Honestly seeing colossus back give me hope ariseheart is coming back
why negate your cards when i can just rip them off your hand :^)
Yeah Runik Isn't the problem. Recently I played against Runik spright fur, I ve never seen a single spright/fur monster, only that Runik that cost my duel. Runik, alone, is basically stun
I'm sad cause that probably means Omega's next up on the banlist.
The impact: add f***ing Kashtira Unicorn to your deck.
Funny how Snake Eye is getting hit in Master Duel first.
I don't think anyone is surprised. Wanted is still at 3, Ash is still at 3. They didn't even try to hit Snake eyes
Bro I knew it. We are still in the era of intense hand trap cope.
Hitting baronne, savage (and maybe linkuriboh) was wrong.
Wanted needs to go to 1, ash or flamberge too
Ash 1 can fix but with LEDE new card now can only one flamberge per deck.
I’m sure everyone knew that snake eyes was gonna be tier 1-0. No one would’ve guessed Lab was the runner up in this YCS tho
As it turns out without baronne and savage the deck that has the funniest nibiru interaction wins more. For real though, that lab player opened nibiru in all 3 games in finals, no wonder he was runner up lmao.
Who could have seen that???
At this point, zero excuses, Snake Eyes HAS to die. Nuclear banlist.
Emergency Banlist: Ban Formula Syncron
Omni Negate banned simply means that non-Snake-Eyes have no access to it either so yeah. This is exactly what happened in OCG when they tried to nerf Ishizu Tear but also heavily nerfed spright and branded 😂
Just be okay with having two cards ripped out of your hand bro. It's not as bad as you think.
@@geek593 I don’t want to play with cards in my hand, only so I can slap the opponent
TBH I loved when one presentator said after a match in an interview "Yes this tournament shows that Snake Eyes CAN be beaten"... That was a fun joke.
let's say it was better than the one before
I think snake eye is a fair deck now. It’s not completely overpowered. I play rogue hero deck and beat them all the time on master duel that’s even with the linkuriboh legal
The ban list still was rrally good for the overall health of the game, it just didn't do enough to Snake Eyes. But then again, did anyone really expect it to do that?
Josh before: D Shifter is a problem bc it just isn't relevant enough to prepare for it.
Josh now: Runick builds catered to the meta & doesn't play like other decks is fine. Why the hate?
You know why 😅
Fixing the Fire format is very easy: Limit Bonfire and ban Original Sin.
With this changes Diabellstar/wanted arent going to fix/carry the consistency of the fire Decks. With Bonfire limited they can only rely in the hard draw of the Ash and they would need more engine in their main deck in order to play, and more engine = less handtraps(which makes sense, because we have this kind of ROTA always ban/límited unless the archetype sucks).
With oss ban you don't need bonfire limit, consistency is cut by more than half cause diabellstar and poplar and itself no longer exist as starters, though I'm not saying limiting is bad cause like you said generic type searching spells have a history of being limited like rota and tenki
@@jimtsap04 yes. In general the problem is OSS, but idk why Josh dont Focus in that card.
Of course, i understand why he liked this kind of Baronne/Borreload bans, of course those 2 are very good synchros etc, but the fact that you put them on the same lvl as Crystron, VFD, Rhongo, Shock Máster or Azhatot (Banning them) is like a joke, even more with they 15+ Handtrap format that TCG format is playing, which is even worse than Baronne+Borre lol
@@Rain12093 2 cards being banned doesn't mean they're equal, just means both pass a certain threshold of brokenness and/or toxicity that is deemed unhealthy for the game, in this case being generic omni negate boss monsters which frankly I think definitely warrant their ban given the impact they've had since they were printed and how many people are tired of every new combo deck devolving into a different flavor of baronne savage apollousa turbo
@@jimtsap04 not agree at all, since this was a "hit" for Snake Eye and not for "every deck" if you put attention to this top, you cant see a single Synchro deck and this takes me to my first point about OSS: if they cant go for Jet Synchron because they openend very well they cant go for this Synchro Plays and Baronne/Borre wouldnt see any play in this format.
So anyway, playing Dis Pater + Driver in SE just makes the deck weaker to Nibiru, but dont fix the issue of the SE deck at all. We cant ignore all the pluses and recovery that SE has.
This kind of cards like Apo-Baronne-Zeus-Borre-Accesscode etc always comes and goes depending on the format. So, if we use your argument as a Rule to ban cards that see too much play all the good genéric extra deck cards should be ban or with limitations to their respective decks. Even Josh cant complain about the 'Baronne spam" since he won his last YCS playing Baronne+SP in a Runick deck, thats hypocracy.
If people gets bored of this kind of cards, it's because every single time that Konami makes a new archetype 2 things happens: 1) Their Boss Monsters sucks and 2) they make a very good deck but they nerf the deck to the point where you cant play It or isnt the best option.
At least i feel like they have been trying to fix this issue in the new archetypes, like Tenpai, Voiceless, White forest, etc.
@@Rain12093 I don't think you got my point fully, baronne and savage weren't just banworthy because they were too popular or because of snake eye but because they did suck the identity out of combo decks for years regardless of if you deny, and in a way that it actually didn't even matter if the archetypal boss actually WAS good like chengying for example it still couldn't hold a candle to the immediate safety and power of an omni. It's also not hypocritical cause other cards that have come close to that level of deterioration to combo deck identity like apo, ip and sp have also been heavily scrutinized regarding potential bans and by many people are seen as next on the chopping block after rarity collection 2. Regarding snake eyes, again I didn't say banning the omnis would magically make the deck balanced, in fact I completely agree that oss is the true problem and getting rid it fixes almost everything wrong with the deck, however this doesn't mean that because they failed to hit the deck directly in a very impactful way that the other hits, snake eye just like every other broken tier 1-0 deck before will eventually inevitably get the ban hammer when konami decides they've made their money and it's time for the next deck to take over. However cards like baronne, savage come and DON'T go, they have and will persistently remain causing problems format after format regardless of which decks are at the top so the sooner they are gone the better it will be for the future health of the game and it will even accelerate the kind of unique good archetypal boss monster design you mention since they konami won't have the crutch of generic boss monsters to fall back to when they are too lazy to actually make the archetypal bosses good as well as discouraging them from further printing future bosses that are this strong and generic so they won't invalidate all archetypal bosses again. Lastly, even now looking at the hits in a vacuum of their impact to the snake eye format specifically they still had a positive effect cause while omega and dis pater are strong they simply aren't omnis so snake eye endboards feel much easier to deal with using boardbreakers and engine that you know will resolve rather than hoping to go first or draw enough handtraps, not to even mention the hits to floodgates that snake eye abused making game 2 and 3 hell, which also similar to omni negate bosses are indirect snake eye hits but also good to get rid of for the future health of the game.
First they negated 2 cards now they rip you 2 out of your hand and negate or destroye 1 with dispte. 3>2. So where is this combo worse?
It's officially become a coin flip on the already existing coin flip. If they rip the board breaker, you are done 💀.
The first banlist without Dragonlinks. Truly as Konami intended
-Banlist drops
-Reviews: Only Pure Snake Eyes got hit, so everyone will pivot to Fire King Snake Eyes
- Tournament
-50% Snake Eyes...
Multiple omni Negates and floodgates = bad. Removal, and and 1 monster or s/t negate =good
Snake-Eyearaments strongest!
Fun fact... I actually do have a friend who barely plays yugioh that happens to own a trident dragion. Because the art was cool
All the hits were great, but the problem was there were only 5 hits. Only 5 cards in total went to a lower number than they currently are. The 4 bans and summon limit. The rest were coming off.
That’s the problem. It looks like a big banlist with so many changes but the majority is just filler And the few changes while great aren’t nearly enough to actually make a difference. The hits were good but the banlist did not do its job.
What meta has 3 cross-out?
TCG has 3 crossout, nobody used it until se mirror matches started becoming popular.
Konami and Yugioh as a general is in rough place right now. Like the fact that they released a banlist which still failed to impact the meta is wild to me but at least I guess it’s better than the sorry excuses of banlists that Master Duel releases.
Don't say that to any ocg player, they will burn your house down for sacrilege-ing their maxxC format.
You say that but the ash and wanted semi limit did more to snake eyes than the TCG banlist ever did 💀