I think it’s going to put pressure on the grading companies. It’s too much risk for little return on a 10. Especially when cards you thought would gem and don’t. That takes almost $20 (cost of grading) per card off net profit of the total submission. For me personally, it’s completely turning me off to the idea of grading anymore.
Thats almost completely due to people wanting to double down on their gambling and grading just to chase a 10 rather than grading because they actually want a fair grade.
Due to a missing auto in my archives hobby box I called Topps and talked to a rep to make sure I did things right to get a replacement. We then had a conversation about drops. How it was not fair for the little guy as sometimes it was sold out before you could get through checkout. He said they knew it was a problem and were trying to come up with a solution. I suggested a pre 10 minute sale where all you can buy is 1 box. Not 1 each type, no cases. He liked the idea and said he would bring it up at the next meeting. I'm tired of paying extra when all I want is A box.
@dronkicks I know you're being sarcastic but I tried to improve a problem. Do you do anything to try to change something you dislike? Or do you just complain?
Good call-out on Donruss Elite "color flood" tyle parallels looking a lot like PMGs. That's why I collect them, and the Dynagon cards from Chronicles, though they didn't have a '24 football product.
The one thing that I will say about downtowns, is that for someone like me (a collector on a budget) I can get jumbo downtowns of my favorite players for cheap. And they are nice for personal display! But, yes I get the watering down of a very cool insert/SSP.
I wholly share the love for Topps Pristine with TPott. 2002 Gold Pristine are one of my all time favorite looks. A really nice way to collect cheaply for singles as well.
I think you were spot on. One topic that would be interesting to talk about is how you display your cards in your personal collection and all the different ways to showcase your cards at home just a thought anyway.
I think the fact that Wemby’s Prizm rookie is clearly in front of a black curtain stretching down to a visible wood floor was a huge miss by Panini in 2024 too. People are saying it’s already iconic… but it could have been so much better.
I agree with you about the 2024 gilded version, but throughout the history of cards i haven't liked every design that has ever been produced. Some years are homeruns and some years are duds, that's just the way it is. Just pray they do better next year on design and dont screw up by adding more junk to the product. It was perfect in 2023 with no subsets and limited base to /99. But now i feel we will see them blow up the subsets and add more worthless parallels.
What do you do when a card you have hasn't sold yet? I have a black-black gold Ken Griffey Jr /299 PSA 10 that I have no idea how to price. What do I do?
have y'all ever thought of doing a one time purchase for market movers? might be more affordable especially for people who might not use the apps for weeks or months at a time
I am primarily a higher end Bears collector but am looking at adding higher end QB's (Mahomes, Lamar and/or Allen). What you would recommend as a better long term investment, rookie case hits (downtown/kaboom) or #'d auto/RPA's? Thank you.
Mr Pot..... 2024 Topps Chrome Update Mega's are not updating in MM.....at least not for me, shows last sale as 11/16. I sent a message to your team earlier this week but no change. Hottest product on the market right now.
I honestly don’t like any of Topps designs. It all looks outdated or cheap tbh. The premium feeling of Panini products like Flawless, Immaculate, National Treasures is missing. Maybe when they get the NBA I’ll change my mind.
Downtown bothers me so bad. It's such shit. I have always loved kaboom and will continue to love it. Prizm and optic are meh but are inarguably Panini's steadiest sets
In order of personal preference for the major know case hits, I like: - Color Blast - Blank Slate - Kaboom - Downtowns I like them all, but Downtowns are at the bottom of the list for the ones that people go nutty over. I like many others that a lot of people don't like as much or don't know.
Downtowns and Kabooms are so over valued. It sad for people spending that kind of money on cards just like prizm Finites. It wont end well especially for collectors. Go back to true RPAs of original cards with numbers /99 and less.
Gilded looks atrocious in 2024 compared to the last 2 years. They went with a 70's funakadelic swirl type pattern. Doesn't really carry on the design language from prior years and looks like an ugly/confused design in general. Gilded should look classy, opulent. 2022 and 2023 Gilded look GREAT - two of my favorite sets!
Is this really a hobby? People are moving these cards arround like stocks. I bet it’s very rare to find a true collector that doesn’t care about the value of the card on the market but for the art of it.
This is a generic show with guys talking sports cards but dont really know about sports cards lol.. these guys call standard game used jersey cards "Patches" lmfao
No it's not because we don't want to upset Fanatics. We're very honest about our opinions, for good or for bad, when it comes to that. I cared so little about that product that I honestly forgot about it lol. There were like 150+ products created last year across the three major sports...I can't cover all of it.
As someone that is just getting back into the hobby after being away for many years, the amount of "childish" looking cards is a surprise. The amount of colors that are mixed with swirls and lines, etc., etc., look like a little child's design. Yes, baseball cards and other sporting cards are made for kids, but not in the way that so many of these cards look, and not at the prices they are selling for. Hearing many adults talk about how nice they are is actually really surprising. It's fine for Pokemon or similar cards but sports cards just don't seem to belong in that category. A lot of cards used to be plain and boring and then they started to become works of art and fun with different designs, but now a lot of them make you wonder who the "designers" are and where they are coming up with these ideas.
Ugly in the hobby is PSA 9 selling for less than raw in a lot of cards.
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I think it’s going to put pressure on the grading companies. It’s too much risk for little return on a 10. Especially when cards you thought would gem and don’t. That takes almost $20 (cost of grading) per card off net profit of the total submission. For me personally, it’s completely turning me off to the idea of grading anymore.
Thats almost completely due to people wanting to double down on their gambling and grading just to chase a 10 rather than grading because they actually want a fair grade.
@ I wish that was the case. For some yes. We know what we are doing and we still get random 5s on Gem cards! It’s crazy. 🤪
With Raw Cards you have a hope of a 10 and a huge profit - once it's graded....unless you break it, it's final.
3:48 - Geoff is thinking about lunch.....
Due to a missing auto in my archives hobby box I called Topps and talked to a rep to make sure I did things right to get a replacement.
We then had a conversation about drops. How it was not fair for the little guy as sometimes it was sold out before you could get through checkout.
He said they knew it was a problem and were trying to come up with a solution. I suggested a pre 10 minute sale where all you can buy is 1 box. Not 1 each type, no cases. He liked the idea and said he would bring it up at the next meeting.
I'm tired of paying extra when all I want is A box.
I’m sure they’ll implement that quickly thanks to your advisory phone call
@dronkicks I know you're being sarcastic but I tried to improve a problem. Do you do anything to try to change something you dislike? Or do you just complain?
Topps chrome basketball is definitely the worst 🤢
Save your money and never wemby chase
Good call-out on Donruss Elite "color flood" tyle parallels looking a lot like PMGs. That's why I collect them, and the Dynagon cards from Chronicles, though they didn't have a '24 football product.
How much did Geoff pay off PSA to make them call Topps Mercury the product of the year ? 😂
Lifetime membership to market movers
The one thing that I will say about downtowns, is that for someone like me (a collector on a budget) I can get jumbo downtowns of my favorite players for cheap. And they are nice for personal display! But, yes I get the watering down of a very cool insert/SSP.
The Donruss elite inserts (31:40), those were from panini illusions no?!?
Looking to “Invest” in this years rookie Qb class… what do yall recommend?? Kabooms, Downtowns, Topps now autos?
None of those
@ so there’s no good way to invest in this class?
@@FreeMindxx Buy raw and grade, but the grading is super far behind right now.
@@garygordon3075 raw case hits?
I wholly share the love for Topps Pristine with TPott. 2002 Gold Pristine are one of my all time favorite looks. A really nice way to collect cheaply for singles as well.
Pristine is a really solid product! Always a favorite to chase.
I think you were spot on. One topic that would be interesting to talk about is how you display your cards in your personal collection and all the different ways to showcase your cards at home just a thought anyway.
he did a video on this a couple of weeks ago
Pajama Jambalaya really rolls of the tongue tpott 😂
32:02 Geoff "Topps Mercury, Topps Mercury, Topps Mercury, Topps Mercury"
I think the fact that Wemby’s Prizm rookie is clearly in front of a black curtain stretching down to a visible wood floor was a huge miss by Panini in 2024 too. People are saying it’s already iconic… but it could have been so much better.
I like his rated rookie better, if it's going to be a plain back background it's a way better look than the prizm.
I agree with you about the 2024 gilded version, but throughout the history of cards i haven't liked every design that has ever been produced. Some years are homeruns and some years are duds, that's just the way it is. Just pray they do better next year on design and dont screw up by adding more junk to the product. It was perfect in 2023 with no subsets and limited base to /99. But now i feel we will see them blow up the subsets and add more worthless parallels.
What do you do when a card you have hasn't sold yet? I have a black-black gold Ken Griffey Jr /299 PSA 10 that I have no idea how to price. What do I do?
have y'all ever thought of doing a one time purchase for market movers? might be more affordable especially for people who might not use the apps for weeks or months at a time
I am primarily a higher end Bears collector but am looking at adding higher end QB's (Mahomes, Lamar and/or Allen). What you would recommend as a better long term investment, rookie case hits (downtown/kaboom) or #'d auto/RPA's? Thank you.
Please get a hockey person on that desk... I know, I know its a smaller market but...
I felt the same about Ray Lewis Teapot and actually have one
24 Cosmic was a massive disappointment. I was ready to spend the 400 until I saw the design..
I agree with you on cosmic chrome. They took a step back in design.
Topps Chrome Black Depths of Darkness was awesome. QC was atrocious but the card was beautiful and innovative.
Great show l enjoyed it a lot
I'm really enjoying the 2024 Panini NFL Origins cards!! Lots if cool color matches!
2004 Topps Pristine football is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥❤️
I'll check the baseball out!
Good stuff
Teapot I agree with the panini black
Mr Pot..... 2024 Topps Chrome Update Mega's are not updating in MM.....at least not for me, shows last sale as 11/16. I sent a message to your team earlier this week but no change. Hottest product on the market right now.
I honestly don’t like any of Topps designs. It all looks outdated or cheap tbh. The premium feeling of Panini products like Flawless, Immaculate, National Treasures is missing. Maybe when they get the NBA I’ll change my mind.
Catering 😂
Downtown bothers me so bad. It's such shit. I have always loved kaboom and will continue to love it. Prizm and optic are meh but are inarguably Panini's steadiest sets
In order of personal preference for the major know case hits, I like:
- Color Blast
- Blank Slate
- Kaboom
- Downtowns
I like them all, but Downtowns are at the bottom of the list for the ones that people go nutty over.
I like many others that a lot of people don't like as much or don't know.
Cosmic is just Topps fire
Downtowns and Kabooms are so over valued. It sad for people spending that kind of money on cards just like prizm Finites. It wont end well especially for collectors. Go back to true RPAs of original cards with numbers /99 and less.
Buy the PSA 9 crack it and then sell raw if that’s the case 👌
he looks like a scalper
Or.. they screwed up the Wemby kaboom on purpose and panini employee has the only 10.
oof
Gilded looks atrocious in 2024 compared to the last 2 years. They went with a 70's funakadelic swirl type pattern. Doesn't really carry on the design language from prior years and looks like an ugly/confused design in general. Gilded should look classy, opulent. 2022 and 2023 Gilded look GREAT - two of my favorite sets!
Also agree with the assessment about Cosmic. 2022 looks SO good.
Agree with Teapot about Luminance and Panini black. Very sharp looking sets that are underrated.
I feel like downtowns are not talked about enough for how poor of an effort they made in the design. It’s just a generic city in the background
I’m surprised you didn’t bring up Panini Instant and how horrible and plain those designs are. Like who wants zebra print cards? 🥴
Is this really a hobby?
People are moving these cards arround like stocks. I bet it’s very rare to find a true collector that doesn’t care about the value of the card on the market but for the art of it.
I don't like Tpots beard he looked cooler and more like a collector with no beard 🤭
Folks have lost tons on ultra modern ..
This is a generic show with guys talking sports cards but dont really know about sports cards lol.. these guys call standard game used jersey cards "Patches" lmfao
Deus abençoe América 🙏🏻🇺🇸🦅
You didn't talk about the Ohtani 50/50 crap product? Is that because you dont want to piss off fanatics with critical opinions of their crap products?
No it's not because we don't want to upset Fanatics. We're very honest about our opinions, for good or for bad, when it comes to that. I cared so little about that product that I honestly forgot about it lol.
There were like 150+ products created last year across the three major sports...I can't cover all of it.
@MarketMovers that's fair. I just wish someone would have brought it up.
As someone that is just getting back into the hobby after being away for many years, the amount of "childish" looking cards is a surprise. The amount of colors that are mixed with swirls and lines, etc., etc., look like a little child's design. Yes, baseball cards and other sporting cards are made for kids, but not in the way that so many of these cards look, and not at the prices they are selling for. Hearing many adults talk about how nice they are is actually really surprising. It's fine for Pokemon or similar cards but sports cards just don't seem to belong in that category. A lot of cards used to be plain and boring and then they started to become works of art and fun with different designs, but now a lot of them make you wonder who the "designers" are and where they are coming up with these ideas.
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