me too, slobomotion. that darling kid..(at least when not being ruled by his demons) ...and your first comment was more than correct....about both of them. Richard emphatically DENIES that peter joined that band....when he was gone for awhile.
If anyone wants to fill in the gaps of the story of Peter's brief Television membership, it's all there, excellently written in Clinton Heylin's 'From The Velvets To The Voidoids'. The whole of Peter's brief life is a really interesting story that leaves you full of what ifs, such an important guy who deserves to be remembered, there should be a film of his story.
There are inaccuracies in Heylin's account. Better to can follow the links to a thorough, in-depth discussion of Laughner's relation to Television in Nick Blakey's "Let Me Take You To The Empty Space": www.aquariumdrunkard.com/2016/05/03/let-me-take-you-to-the-empty-place-an-incomplete-story-of-peter-laughner-and-television-slight-return/ -Don Harvey
drdonaldmd Thanks for that, never knew about this link. Over the last few years, Peter has appeared in a number of books but I've never read anything as detailed as Heylin's account, although I take your word that there are errors. I was hoping for some new info in Cheetah Chrome's biog, but not much new there. The first time I came across a discussion of Peter was from Lester Bangs, but what I've read since, it seems Lester portrayed him as being way more out of control than he was.
That's an amazing picture of Peter. He looks so unbelievably young.. ..Of course he'll always be young.... I know he owned a fabulously rare and valuable 'Grammar'(?) acoustic guitar. He also owned a great voice. Richard Lloyd quit Television over a disagreement with Tom Verlaine about the release of their first single 'Little Johnny Jewel'. IMO Lloyd had a point. That chopped-in-half Ork Records 45 is a classic now but IMO it didn't do Television real justice back then. Peter was brought into the band as 2nd guitar but I don't know for how long or for how many shows if any. Believe it or not there are some things even I don't know. According to Lester Bangs Tom Verlaine became as much of a hero to Peter as Lou Reed was. RIP Peter.
Grammer guitar... =e took all the finish off the front trying to make it the loudest acoustic ever, lol I am still playing the 1952 gibson SJ that Peter gave me as a gift
Wow. For the first couple of minutes I thought this was not only a pared version of the song( a song I've loved since I first heard it in '78). Laughner's talks parts seemed to water down the song. It went on and I started to find it beautiful, desperate and haunting.
I think I know what you mean. Still, there’s a brashness in the original that’s great, along with a doubt. Think of the Ritchie and Tom exchange. Ritchie(Richard hell, I’m assuming) says “Let’s dress up as cops, think of what we could do” and Tom replies, “something, something said you’d better not”. Anyway, this is a moving rendition
and NOTHING sucks more than today's musical industry. wouldn't even CALL it an industry...not that it's ever been that great. but if you can't handle this raw and ferocious sound...then there is much that you will miss amongst the very few TRULY revolutionary moments in music....beyond our pioneers, of course. however, since you are not able to dig this in any way...you would think the pioneers of our country's indigenous music were too raw sounding as well. you'd think THEY suck too. please don't forget, however...they GAVE BIRTH to whatever the hell it is that you DO like. the underpinnings are there...whether you are aware of it or not. edumacate yo self, dammit.
I was fortunate to know him and others who knew him.
me too, slobomotion. that darling kid..(at least when not being ruled by his demons) ...and your first comment was more than correct....about both of them. Richard emphatically DENIES that peter joined that band....when he was gone for awhile.
Peter’s delicate take with Verlaine’s lines is just magical.
If anyone wants to fill in the gaps of the story of Peter's brief Television membership, it's all there, excellently written in Clinton Heylin's 'From The Velvets To The Voidoids'. The whole of Peter's brief life is a really interesting story that leaves you full of what ifs, such an important guy who deserves to be remembered, there should be a film of his story.
There are inaccuracies in Heylin's account. Better to can follow the links to a thorough, in-depth discussion of Laughner's relation to Television in Nick Blakey's "Let Me Take You To The Empty Space":
www.aquariumdrunkard.com/2016/05/03/let-me-take-you-to-the-empty-place-an-incomplete-story-of-peter-laughner-and-television-slight-return/
-Don Harvey
drdonaldmd Thanks for that, never knew about this link. Over the last few years, Peter has appeared in a number of books but I've never read anything as detailed as Heylin's account, although I take your word that there are errors. I was hoping for some new info in Cheetah Chrome's biog, but not much new there. The first time I came across a discussion of Peter was from Lester Bangs, but what I've read since, it seems Lester portrayed him as being way more out of control than he was.
Lets hope there's no film as 99% of all modern rock biography films/re-imaginings from the last 50 years are shite.....
Plus check out Adele Bertei's book Peter and the Wolves
Peter Laughner (August 22, 1952 - June 22, 1977) was an American guitarist, songwriter and singer.
That's an amazing picture of Peter. He looks so unbelievably young.. ..Of course he'll always be young.... I know he owned a fabulously rare and valuable 'Grammar'(?) acoustic guitar. He also owned a great voice. Richard Lloyd quit Television over a disagreement with Tom Verlaine about the release of their first single 'Little Johnny Jewel'. IMO Lloyd had a point. That chopped-in-half Ork Records 45 is a classic now but IMO it didn't do Television real justice back then. Peter was brought into the band as 2nd guitar but I don't know for how long or for how many shows if any. Believe it or not there are some things even I don't know. According to Lester Bangs Tom Verlaine became as much of a hero to Peter as Lou Reed was.
RIP Peter.
Grammer guitar... =e took all the finish off the front trying to make it the loudest acoustic ever, lol
I am still playing the 1952 gibson SJ that Peter gave me as a gift
yup....he looks young as HELL....but then....he was only 24 when he died. i'll never forget it.
@@helenmyork1 wow man, what a gift.
Wow. For the first couple of minutes I thought this was not only a pared version of the song( a song I've loved since I first heard it in '78). Laughner's talks parts seemed to water down the song. It went on and I started to find it beautiful, desperate and haunting.
Laughner was a fan and brought them to Cleveland and Rocket from the Tombs opened for them. the Television part of show was recorded and can be found
Spell-binding. I was looking idly for a live version of the TV original and found this, which takes the song to a whole other place.
Heartbreaking.
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even more emotional than the original
I think I know what you mean.
Still, there’s a brashness in the original that’s great, along with a doubt. Think of the Ritchie and Tom exchange. Ritchie(Richard hell, I’m assuming) says “Let’s dress up as cops, think of what we could do” and Tom replies, “something, something said you’d better not”. Anyway, this is a moving rendition
Very beautiful.
Damn mellotron!
No, both Peter and Richard = volatile/scary.
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This version sucks more than today's whole musical industry.
i don't think she can appreciate something so raw that it reaches through your ribs. well...that's sad.
and NOTHING sucks more than today's musical industry. wouldn't even CALL it an industry...not that it's ever been that great. but if you can't handle this raw and ferocious sound...then there is much that you will miss amongst the very few TRULY revolutionary moments in music....beyond our pioneers, of course. however, since you are not able to dig this in any way...you would think the pioneers of our country's indigenous music were too raw sounding as well. you'd think THEY suck too. please don't forget, however...they GAVE BIRTH to whatever the hell it is that you DO like. the underpinnings are there...whether you are aware of it or not. edumacate yo self, dammit.
P.S. this actual GENIUS, that you detest, my dear.....was FULL of the roots of American music.
I pity you. This raw version of the Television song is sublime. I'd hate to hear what you consider good.
@@vardziegirl Thanks for asserting this - he truly was remarkable. (btw, I played the organ on this track)