Why Mojang Hates Its Own Modders
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CORRECTIONS:
- Lunar Client did not steal Replay Mod. According to the owner, they did not realize they were breaking the license.
- The clip at the start IS a mod from 2010, but the video itself is a few years newer.
- I left out a lot of details on how this ties into the bedrock marketplace, I genuinely didn't think to include it.
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yo i downloaded opera im using it rn
why does this guy onley have 83k subs
L spyware
@@GetAubed_YT it has a chinese spyware and it will sell your data
use brave instead
It's funny how Bedrock got add ons which are basically mods right when this got uploaded
they always had add-ons, just that you couldnt use them outside of a specified map. add-ons can either be bought now or freely imported by downloading them online.
@@flooriiian they recetly had an update that allows you to use maketplace addons on any world, you just have to buy the addons not the maps
@@thedragonsden2004 yeah I think that's what he meant
yeah I think it was a good decision to make addons purchasable in the market place since you could already buy them through maps anyway. I dont see anything wrong with it and I think its great because it gives those creators a real good way to make money. I personally will still probably use free addons since Im not really into buying addons when I can go on Mcpedl or something similar and get a good addon for free.
the choice between spending money on generally lower quality mods and getting generally higher quality mods for free
"i can make thqt joke becquse i code plugins" final words of skyboi before the modding community breaks into his home
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@@danieltheiceberg9356 minor spelling mistqke*
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The worst part is: THIS ONLY AFFECTS JAVA MODDING, BEDROCK "MODDERS" CAN JUST POST SOME RANDOM SH#T AND CHARGE AS MANY "MINECOINS" AS THEY WANT! WHAT THE HECK MOJANG?
Moyang is lazy af
It's okay because THEY'RE the ones who now act as the mod distributor, and painfully they also own the Minecraft IP
As much as it sucks, this isn't double standards or hypocritical. They legally own all thing Minecraft and the MC mod community outgrew (CREATED) their monetization option.
Have you heard of Enshitification? This is the exact same thing
@@Firesgone Can you explain that in simpler terms? I have no clue what you are trying to tell me.
@@mindset2047 what does that have to do with my comment?
@@DerNeueTNT
I'll give a definition of Enshitification past the "Read more" else, I suggest looking it up and comparing to your own experiences
Enshitification: The cycle process by which companies create great products and foster awesome communities, to then reinforce their monopoly of their exclusive product and maximize all potential profit. Eventually being replaced by a similar product or being lost forever.
The culmination of this is the entire community being deplatformed or otherwise abandoning the website/game/hobby as the functional product is turned to adware/trash/impracticality.
Preventing paywalling mods may sorta make sense from a business perspective, but saying you can't make money at ALL from modding is insane. Like, you can't even have a Patreon? Wtf?
I don't get why paywalled mods even exist in the first place, why can't a patreon page be enough? Or if you want to lock your content behind a paywall, might aswell do game development and sell your own game then, since then it would be your own IP (unless you use stolen IP but that's another can of worms i'd like to not open)
In short, why can't mod creators just make their content free and just have a patreon page where people can support them if they feel like it? Ofc we don't live in that world
@@wedoalittletrolling723 I think the point is that some modders want it to be similar to game development, just focused on minecraft cause they like the game. If they didn't paywall, they might not get enough money/support for it to be sustainable.
@@Benw8888 If the only thing keeping them going is a paycheck, then why would they bother with it in the first place?
Theoretically, you *can* make money from Patreon provided you present it in an open-ended way instead of focusing on the fact that you're making Minecraft mods. A simple reason of 'supporting my various endeavors' would work, methinks.
@@ambientNexus So modder should rather starve?
4:48 My ultrakill-addicted brain did not expect this song to appear randomly
same
same lol
I got nam flashbacks but instead of nam it was the unceasing adrenaline rush of wave 40+
I’m a huge minecraft enthusiast and I’m starting my business major later this year so this is exactly my kind of content. Absolutely love this stuff dude!
Not related. Whats ur hardest on GD
@@KNCPGT LOL
Kingslayer by Motheye, it took me 16k attempts and 8 months of on and off playing (Motheye himself said I’m the unluckiest victor)
now they made bedrock have addons(essentially mods but weirder) but it costs mine coins which is potentially a way to monetize modding
Let's hope that nobody will steal java mods and texture packs to make a quick buck and vanish. And not fill marketplace with those stolen mods.
Oh, yea, it is the current state of marketplace, isn't it?
Bedrock has always had addons
UHHH, BEDROCK HAS ADD-ONS SINCE 2016
yes but now people can sell them on there own to be imported into any world not just specific worlds built around them.@@ghaithzakk
@@TheEchoShark Java has existed before bedrock,therefore it is better. Case closed
The "hey, I am Rat!" caught me so off guard
9:49 bro got his games stright, only true chads know about Kindoms and Castles!
YESSSS
@@skyboimc Yo can we play together. Make a video about a race? Pretty confident i can beat you!
10:30 my man, the nether music took me so fucking far back to being alone in the nether on my ps3.
god DAYUM did the nostalgia hit
heavily disagree, hate getting microtransactions in mods and it would suck not being able to play a modpack without paying a huge fee for each mod. I do understand that mod makers don't get paid for their work, but modding should be for fun, not made to grab money off players
My biggest gripe is paywalling mods. Cosmetic MTX is not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, all things considered
If Mods were Real (smosh video)
I would love to see a video about bad clients. I also just realised that on bedrock you can upload add-ons, texture packs and mods and they get money from that, so why can't java modders also get money from there mods?
This video isn't clear or that well informed.
1. (most) Modders don't do it for profit, they never have and never will. Every single time modders try and make money, the mod and community suffers; see "essential" as an example, adding insane amounts of cosmetics (and spyware).
2. (most) Modders don't WANT to do it for a profit anyway, they'll be pressured to constantly updating, there'll be expectations that weren't there previously, ect.
3. Mojang is somewhat screwing over modding, but not in the way you're presenting, an example being version updates that make things very hard to port to newer versions. Mojang do a lot of work for modders, if you include datapacks modding (which you should) mojang also did tons of work with that too! I can expand on this if you want.
Paid mods (usually) suck, if a dev is making mods purely for money it also usually sucks. I've never seen a paid mod even come CLOSE to the highs you can get with a passion project. + most paid mods are bait to exploit children, see bedrock marketplace. as proof of this.
1. if your point about spyware in essential is true then yeah that's a problem, but i've never seen anything about it. i don't have any issue with them selling cosmetics, there is no advantage for people who choose to buy them.
2. most modders want to do it for free, so whats stopping them? let them! i'm only advocating for the option.
3. i mentioned in the video that updating is also a struggle.
i personally trust the modrinth people to do a great job handling paid mods if that became allowed, i don't think it'd end up like bedrock.
thank you for your comment! im interested in your response to this.
@@skyboimc
1. essential sends telemetry (spying) and sells telemetry (selling to companies). Pretty sure you can disable this, but they bury it deep enough that it's just enough to justify malware. I don't like essential for that reason, and dislike it even more for its insane cosmetic prices.
2. I don't think i worded myself correctly, sorry, i'm not fully against paid mods. Donations and (very few) paid mods are fine, aslong as they're absolute quality and still being updated. (see mcmmo for recent versions as an example, just not an amazing one)
having a marketplace like bedrock edition's very much opens the flood-gates to poor quality mods, misunderstandings or scams.
An example is the "physics"? mod, they had a free version, which was sucky and lacked most (all) core features, and a patreon which had the actual mod. People got the mod and weren't able to run it, wanted refunds and none were given. They were not able to use the product, yet couldn't get their money back, this is something steam and most other gaming retailers offer. If we're going to put them at the same standard of pay as gamedevs, they must be held to the same responsibility. Thus a lot of legal issues come up. Orespawn as an example of greed taking over an actually amazing mod.
There's a reason bedrock marketplace is so bad, because presenting the option usually ends to a lot of assholes ruining it. Mod devs everywhere have been doing it for free, and the past has shown adding a marketplace makes things shitty, so i don't see a need to add money to an artform which doesn't need one at all, and the past has proven it makes things worse.
10:35 The fact that Mojang Developers get paid 100k each year just to add 2 new blocks and 1 unnecessary mob while Modders don't even get minimum wage for making whole ass dimensions and features is crazy.
Modders should be appreciated more.
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and its funny that all of the peoples excuses is that they have to add it to every version and platform...... like still come on man, ive heard that too much lol
@@yourneighbour3309 well no. The problem is basically their corporatization or something from what I have heard
@@Jymboslicx just stating thats what ive heard lots of ppl say personally. but ahh yeye thank ya
@@yourneighbour3309 yes ,it is so little some moders Make a feature hours after announcement while Minecraft takes a full year
Russian modder here, the revenue I used to get from Curseforge wasn't something I could live on, but still really really solid, comparable to a very good stipend. Well, until 2022 anyway. It was especially great considering it was a passive byproduct of projects I make just for the fun of it.
Oh well. If I could cash in my Curseforge points now, I could pay for a semester and maybe a couple months of rent. So yeah, it's actually nothing to sneeze at if you don't live in a first world country.
The editing is acutally so well done! GJ
I love how Mojang breaks their own TOS With mods now
The thing is, if mods are being paid, how should the cost be calculated for modpacks, should the modpack creator bear the cost? or should the player bear the cost?
Let say the modpack creator bear the cost, how should the pricing be, charge by download? or a 1 time charge that cost like 1000 dollars per mod? I don't think any modpack creator is willing to pay that much for something they do as a hobby(and may not even receive much donation in return)
Now what if the player bear the cost, as a player are you willing to pay 34 dollars for a modpack because the modpack creator decided to add 5 paid mods.
Now let say the mod creator decided that for modpack creator they can use the mod for free, then what is stopping me to download the pack that includes the paid mod and extract said file out and use it on my own, or heck I can just made a modpack that only contain that mod and release it to the public to download for free.
Like even one cent per mod would be like more than 1000x more than they get now from curse per download
> see cool video
> opera gx sponsored
LORD FOOG THE 2ST PROFILE PICTURE! :D
Keep malding
Good job for hitting 80k this feels like a mini documentary would love to see more things like this
3:50 Im a GD player and I instantly said "YOO Clutterfunk"
(the background music is Clutterfunk 2.2)
@@S7nR3set i did
Isn't that music from Ultrakill
same
@@DrPeeperno
Ikr, also i think clutterfunk is made by waterflame.
Didn't Mojang just added Addons in the bedrock Marketplace? Its kind of a good way to support the modders too but its fine only when Mojang dose it .
well, they charge the actual developers almost nothing, so it's the same story
No bro
@SuitedGhost tru
paying should be illegal
Ur documentary videos always hit hard dude!
I remember when you showed a picture with you and Doctor4t as the announcement for this.
editing is soooo goood bro keep it up ♥
It's interesting how minecraft players back then respected modders who made their mods free, but now it seems like youtubers like you and PhoneixSC advocate for Mojang to allow Java players to make monetizable mods.
it's insane that these people genuinely believe that mods should be locked behind a paywall. literally all you need to do to figure out how utterly imbecilic that would be is to spend a single day in the nonsense that is the sims 4 modding scene
@@felixfischer6168Fucking exactly. Paid mods just lead to waves and waves of low-effort garbage, which most likely will be made even worse with the advent of generative AI bullshit.
@@felixfischer6168 not exactly. they are saying that modders should be able to make money, never have l heard peonix say anything about paywalls, more in the line of that they want to at least do like commissions or a patreon
It's crazy that this video has songs that are in at least 3 of my favourite few games
1:29 and 1:56 Terraria
2:31 BTD6
2:53 Roblox (Doors)
theres probably more but thats what i've watched up to so far
theres also 3:48 which has a song in Geometry Dash though I know it's not originally from GD
@@smudgethecat8315clutterfunk 2.2, it’s an extension from og clutterfunk so it isn’t in gd
4:48 ultrakill
2:31 BTD5
@@smudgethecat8315clutterfunk
I am genuinely surprised you haven't reached 100k yet, your videos are well made and entertaining. Keep up the good work!
I'll say this...the difference between a mod maker and a game dev. Is the game dev usually has to put actual money into certain stuff for their game. All the mod maker needs to do is spend time coding something and post it.
In a way the mod maker is still using the original game as a base. So to be making money off of something, using someone else's work as a base... well...
Bedrock Edition:
Great vid... absolutely killed it with Clutterfunk at 3:50 (it is my fav song :D)
Nice video! very good editing and its enteraining imo :D
Hey this video was rly good! And a vids on the historie of clients would be pretty cool
underrated youtuber you deserve more subscribers !! you'r making a relly good work and i relly liked your video :)
3:51 YOOOO CLUTTERFUNK SONG
Pls make a video about the history of Minecraft minigames
Ok I just gotta say the taswell beat drop at the end was absolutely fire 🔥
imagine building a house in creative to that banger
Yoo Man I Was Watching Some Car Tuning Video When I Stumble Upon This One And I Was Expected To Be Great But Yeah It Is I Love Your Editing And Documentary Because It Is Well Made Not Only That It Is Entertaining I Really Hope You Reach 100K Subscriber Real Soon Definitely Deserved A Sub For That 👍
please do make a video on clients, id love to see it
I can confirm as an minecraft player for like 5-6 years only i got bored HELL TONA TIMES so then or i would play other games for the time being or i would hit up better mc or somth. the sad side is that better mc is sutch an good mod and others like sky factory and tektopia (ur a legend if you know this one) dont get the appreciation they deserve. keep the good work up skyboi you are really skilled at giving a good opinion about shit like this.
"Better MC" is a modpack, not a mod; and a dogshit one at that. It's just a bunch of mods slapped together with little to no effort for integration or bugtesting on Lunapixel's side. Both it and Lunapixel objectively do not deserve respect.
i was on discord with u when you reached 10k, congrats on 80k!
first (orginally) smp yter not in lifesteal doing opera sponsorship is fire
now i hear ULTRAKILL music everywhere
this game is getting even more popular
modding is really underappreciated by companies sometimes and Mojang is a great example and the statement about no longer playing Vanilla is 100% true I don't know when the last time I played Vanilla was like I legit don't know most likely back in 1.12.2 but even that might have been wrong
Bro almost 100k subs keep up the good work! Your videos are amazing!
6:07 THATS ME
OH MY GOODNESS THATS ME
dude ur videos are hecking AMAZING
i aspire to have vids as good as urs lmao
W Skyboi for posting a day early I couldn’t wait for another day
I think it best modders can’t monetize but still can’t create
like a public domain
another skyblock banger 🔥
The Bedrock Addon community sees Adfly all the time still 😭
It’s the worst
this actually crazy i love Minecraft and its mods and would be devastated if it crash's 😭
I’m eating a snack now after your post lol
Nice editing keep up the work you just gained a sub
That thumbnail crazy
The reason to me is that it appears mojang like every other corporate entity wants unreasonable unfair and unjust amount of control over what isn't even their game. A few back we could do with a ip as we pleased so long as what we are doing is our own work in relation to it. Now it's become this asinine world where every tsngliably related thing to a ip has to be under control of the owner and must be credited
5:56 BLOCKSWORLD MUSIC?!?
"Why Moyang Hates Its Own Modders" gnembon and Kingbdogz: "Am I a joke to you?"
yet another skyboi banger
Yeah I agree with you. I play around with this really good MCD mod (not marketplace) on Minecraft Bedrock by Emptycoso and recently he has been having trouble continuing work on the mod because of how Mojang is doing this stuff.
It's a real shame that it looks like Mojang are punishing or just restricting people for making good work.
dang your popular now also what happened to your old smp vids?
Another SkyBoi W
LION MAKER IN PRISION LMAOOO
it's both sad and charming to find out about all of this
sad because the people behind the mods got nothing out of this (not in the modding scene at least)
and charming to know that the mods that i used to play as a kid (even current ones) were made with 100% love for the game and pure passion! :)
P.S
really enjoyed the video, so deserving of a sub
very minor correction that doesn’t relate to the main topic but instead to a background image at 10:25 : Tetris is actually the most downloaded game if you merge most of the versions as they are basically the same
I'm personally just not fond of paywalls.
I don't care what other means of making money the modders have to employ, I just don't like having to directly Pay for a mod.
I think they should make a special place for modders to sell their mods, but with a rigorous quality check to make sure they are up to the industry's standart (making the mod very polished as well as following the guidelines like no guns)
Mojang's already failed in that department with the bedrock marketplace.
Nice vid like always keep it up ❤
Btw congrats on 83k 100k soon
If I am gonna have to pay like 200 dollars just to make any sizeable modpack and for one version at that, I'm starting a revolution I swear.
By the way I am from Uzbekistan and this is the second ever time that this country was mentioned in a video like this.
By the way I actually really enjoy modding, it just makes minecraft 1000000000000000000000000000000x better and the best part is that optimization mods are the best espacially for people like me who has 4 GB RAM that can't load the modern versions of minecraft yet I have been playing this game for almost a decade and that is 2/3 of my f****ing life😁😁
i can just imagine you recording 9:49 as soon as everybody leaves the house 😭😭
hey exspark
ok why are you here
like if you want skyboi to upload more
The media fire refrence was a throw back
Personally, I don’t think modding should be a business- we don’t want it ending up like the marketplace from bedrock. But modders should still get some money, the system is pretty bad tbh.
Although instead of yelling at mojang- we’ve given them enough problems already- we should ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!
We really need a new system. But noones making one.
well, people tried, but, money doesn't appear out of nowhere, and there is a lot of modders. If users aren't ready to donate or subscribe to patreons or others from the creators of the mods they use and love, then we're going to keep having this problem
Personally, I'd consider someone opening a patreon or starting a youtube channel as someone starting their business. It's all there, the product, the branding, the ads. As long as you get any money for something you made, congrats, you did business.
For me, the real problem is that if you get big enough and you don't have the "bedrock 30% cut seal of approval", you're swatted by microsoft, and for some reason they don't bat an eye at people stealing mods or redistributing minecraft and making millions off that. It's like they don't want you to work honestly, insane!
@@Aleusegood point
On bedrock edition the marketplace now allows you to get around 35% on sales of your mod
35% is wild. thats not a good thing
@@skyboimcstill better than roblox
But not by much in roblox you get only 30%
@@skyboimcthe mod creators need atleast 70%
@@CERISTHEDEV roblox is the one that gets 30% and the creator of the gamepass/clothing gets 70%
@@Ex0tic404 im pretty sure we are tapking about 2 different stuff
Im talking about purchases in a map
The map creator gets 30% and said 30% is in robux than you have to convert it into real money
This info is from a video from a channel that i thinks is called gamedocs or something like that about roblox exploiting children
After so many years of development and evolution, there’s still isn’t a mod that can get me a girlfriend 😭
It's impossible.
I mean if youre this type of person now its time because people are quite literally integrating the whole ai stuff in minecraft so if you dont care about talking to a real human than this already exists
Amazing video
mod coder pack has to be the best name
I can’t get over the Roblox Doors music it’s so funny
your videos are so good
I remember when it was a big deal to get Industrialcraft² and Buildcraft working together.
almost to 100k im so happy for u man
Under 24hrs gannggg ❤❤
Interesting. As a Stellaris player who recently has started delving into Minecraft a bit, its interesting to go from playing a game where the devs actively build the entire game around it being a platform that is meant to be modded overtop and actively communicate with the modder teams of big projects before they drop updates so that everyone big can have their mods ready to go on day 1 of the expansion, to playing a game where the devs hate modders.
Hope Mojang pulls its head out of its rear. I have over 8k hours in Stellaris, and a good 7k of that is entirely due to mods.
1:55 hey that skin is from my favorite video game of all time
I hired mod creators back in the day; one ghosted me and never started work, GRANTED I never paid him yet to get started and he did say he was busy with work. The other guy got one mod created at the very least.
3:49 clutterfunk moment
This was basically like half doctor4t
man you got a sponser, you made it!!! so proud of you
Skyboi posted let's goooo I ❤️ you
This kinda makes me feel so bad for Mod devs. Some mods don't even get recognized without youtubers playing them
Yeah lest we mention that Overwolf's Curseforge is not doing too well in its own rights.
Not only because of the revenue issues, but one of their big ones was of possibly malicious mod reuploads on their site which caused the likes of Iris shaders and Sodium to jump ship to Modrinth because of how Curseforge's poor moderation choices to deny taking them down only for them to backpedal on the statement eventually and yet neither mod has went back to them since.
another banger video as usual
Little cuh is crazy with it!
3:05 too many items is a different mod than nei and jei. too many items was basically a cheat that let you spawn in any item you wanted at any time, whereas nei and jei were mods that acted as an easy lookup for crafting recipes that worked with 99% of mods that just so happened to look similar to TMI.
i can't believe it minecraft developer are are paid so much just to add measly things in a year but modders can create a dimension in months less and don't even get that much money . Models are heroes truly
Can u make a vid about lunar client, like u said?
what was that insane mod at the start of the video?