A PROBLEM WITH THE CHURCH
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- Опубліковано 20 січ 2024
- Now again, I’m not saying it should be about us and theology can be important. I do find it interesting to study and learn. However should it be the main point? That I’m not sure of. #lifestyle #inspiration #motivation #inspirational #motivational #church #christianity
This gonna blow up crazy how few people question this stuff. Like they have people study the same thing every week and don’t make an effort to connect any of it with real life struggles
Exactly
You make great point! However, would caution you to not over generalize. There are churches who actually do care about their teaching. My advice to you is to find a group that truly exemplifies the love of Christ. And not just outward showing of that, someone who truly shows it by their actions. We can say all the right things but how are we living in his love daily? All that being said, I see your point. We need to tackle the real issues, there are real people that have real problems that have no idea how to handle them on their own and the church needs to be his hands and feet. Ie helping people with their problems. Being a safe, non judgmental place they can find refuge.
I wouldn’t necessarily say this is an over generalization. There are good churches but I’d say they are outliers.
It was at a moment like this that I was reminded that Jesus sets an example for us to have a direct and personal relationship with God. You don’t have to go to church to be a Christian, Being a Christian means believing that Jesus died on the cross so your sins can be forgiven, and then living your life following him. And yes, you can believe this and live by it without going to church.
Jesus often clashed with the religious authorities of his time, such as the Pharisees and the Sadducees. He critiqued them for their hypocrisy and their obsession with outward religiosity over genuine faith. This indicates his emphasis on personal integrity and genuine faith over adherence to established religious systems.
Exactly, exactly, exactly. You are so right. If you read the Gospels never having heard the account and then someone asks you who the bad guy is you won’t say Satan. Satan gets one big appearance in the Gospels during Christ’s temptation after his baptism. They’ll say the bad guys are the church. I mean who put Jesus to death? Just an interesting thought.
Interesting what you're saying. My church is almost the opposite, our priest tries to give us practical ideas on how to follow God. He has even said that he would like to do more theological stuff but we need a help with the practical stuff as like a church.
I’m glad to hear your church is doing it’s job. Makes me happy it’s not a total lost cause
I feel like some of comments on UA-cam for Christian songs are much real than what happens at the church. I just always felt like I had to act a certain way at a church.
You’re so right
You are right to ask questions
I’m glad you agree
I could not agree more.
Maybe make a request or give advice to help them tap on those things. Bring those concerns to your pastor.
Thanks, good point
Agreed. What do we do with that though?
We start our own churches, we seek reform. We take actionable steps.
I’m an atheist and still go mainly for friends but I agree a little generally enjoy sermons tho your point is valid of not having applicable points by preachers the only things that bug are the music is loud and having basically rap Christian music and generic pop Christian music to try and lure in a younger crowd which honestly as a classical pianist is just annoying cause I know the church doesn’t have to lower the standards when I know they can make greatness also the people somehow it feels fake like a mask they put for the church apart from that church isn’t as bad.
For me as a Christian I believe that the spirit of love, truth and obedience to God should be genuine (not just in the church but outside the walls too) and I agree with your point about people at church putting on a mask. It makes me sad honestly. I’m sure you have more faith as an atheist than a lot of my Christian friends do.
Thanks for watching!
@@LondonJBaker yeah I just try and live simply ( btw nice catchy phrase)
Appreciate it!
Hi London! 👋🏼 I’m a fellow content creator (also Christian and enjoy talking about these topics). I agree 100% with your perspectives and would love to collab or work on something together!
My email is in my channel bio, hit me up there!! :)
Go to your nearest TLM Catholic Church
W man, though I was the only one, I can see y ppl go to Islam.
Jesus is king but people suck. That’s how I live
@@LondonJBaker
We do not need answers to all our questions
Many things are simply meant to be unanswered
Knowledge is knowledge listen to the pastor listen closely because he speaks gods word
Think again brother
Thank you for your thoughts
I think the only thing you can do to change that may be to become a pastor
This is true. I’ve actually thought deeply about starting a church at some point down the road
@@LondonJBaker I had the thought too, until I realized the same kinds of people are going to come in and make your church like the churches you despise. You're not going to turn people away are you? So you're bound to let bad people in.
But if you’re doing it right maybe the bad people heal? Who knows
What is the purpose of the Church? We know Jesus founded the Church that's to last until the end of time, but what exactly IS the Church and what purpose is it to serve for the sake of our salvation? Personally, I think Church ought to be a place where you receive good catechesis, but ultimately it's a place where you commune with God. It's heaven on earth.
Exactly. We’ve lost what makes it worth having
The church is the body of Jesus Christ which is the totality of mankind. It is not a building made with hands. It is every single man woman and child on this planet. God's spirit lives in everyone, we are His temple. You are "the place where you commune with God." You are the church. The Kingdom of God is within you. The presence of God, the Holy Spirit, Jesus Christ Himself is our very Life. What you know as "churches" are Babylonian businesses.
@@SaintePat Good thoughts. I don’t disagree.
Jesus said if two are more gather in His name, He is present; however, He also said that if you have a dispute with your neighbor to tell it to the church (Matthew 18:15-20). So, though God’s sprit can dwell with an individual, and the Church is not a physical place, it must be an authoritative entity where people can go to for clarity and resolution.
This would also mean that God’s spirit would have to dwell with this entity in an extraordinary way because though there may be conflicts or confusion among disciples, for the Church to be an entity that the faithful can go to for resolution, that must mean God’s Holy Spirit guides the Church to provide authoritative truth and clarity to guide the faithful, which makes sense because God’s Spirit could never produce confusion, error and contradictions.
In Acts 2 we witness the descent of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost which is considered the birth of the Church. In Acts 15 we see the Church gather during the Jerusalem Council to resolve authoritatively the question of the necessity of circumcision for salvation. What’s interesting is that Scripture alone couldn’t resolve the question because at that time the only reference the disciples had was the Old Testament, and that document was clear about the necessity of circumcision. What was required was the teaching from the Apostles who understand the Old Testament in light of what they witnessed and experienced with Jesus. This teaching was later captured in the Gospels and in their letters which was assembled by the Church into the New Testament.
I cite all this to say that though the faithful comprises the Body of Christ, which is the Church, the Church is also an entity that people go to not only for catechesis, and clarity, but also for resolution. And if we’re to accept the Church’s role to resolve issues, that also means that we must submit to its resolutions.
Lastly, there’s a reason why during the last supper, Jesus offered bread and wine as His Body and Blood for us to consume. If the Church consists of disciples whose own bodies are to serve as temples for God’s spirit, how fitting is it that God would also offer the Body and Blood of His Son would integrate with our fallen flesh to better serve as temple for His Holy Spirit.
I see your point. Very well thought out. Thanks for sharing this
Talk to your Bishop about it.
Thanks for the tip
Your experience with church really comes down to who's church are you going to? Its becoming incredibly rare to find churches that are actually one in the same with the church that Jesus loved and gave himself for. (Ephesians 5:25-27). If you're attending a church that's part of a denomination, that may be a likely cause or even the root of the problem. Pastors in brand churches have central government that dictate what they're allowed to preach about. If that's not the issue, the next thing that needs to be addressed is local leadership of the church. Are the deacons in control? Do they criticize the pastor when he does lead into topics that need to be taught with Biblical guidance? I know of a pastor who was kicked out of his church because he preached against sin plain and true (he was a loving pastor too, it wasn't directed specifically at anyone, he preached with discernment), and it offended his board of deacons. I also know of a pastor who has a supportive board of deacons, he's not responsible to the whims of his deacons, so he's at liberty to obey God. He loves his congregation and every time he preaches he uses the Bible to solve problems that his church people have. He pulls out his Bible like its a toolbox and he uses the right tool for his people at the time they need it.
Of course, if none of the things I mentioned are the problem. Its an issue with the pastor's own self. A pastor who isn't preaching true to the Bible with that as his source of authority, does not love his congregation, and does not preach what his congregation needs to hear and learn, is failing as a pastor. I attended a church where the that was the case too. It does feel hopeless when you have a counterfeit preacher in an authentic church. The most hopeful case is that the pastor just hasn't surrendered to the ministry as he should, but he would be willing if he was listening. However, when it comes down to it. Perhaps he is not right with God and that's why he avoids preaching what his people need.
TL;DR Its not church that's the problem. Jesus instituted it. The pastor's job is to feed Christ's sheep. If he does not, therein lies the problem with the church. If the pastor isn't doing his job, you might want to inspect where the counterfeit is. Is it the church you're attending that's the fraud or the leadership acting without God?
I think you have a point but it’s not just leadership. It’s religion. That’s where I find my problem.
Hey brother, I understand the frustration, but doctrine (esp. the content of the gospel, which is ALL doctrine) is integral to Christian living. All of our good work is an overflow from the grace and love we freely receive in Christ. We don’t ever outgrow our need for the gospel, or sound doctrine.
What you’re talking about is the desire for the law’s “third use,” where the pastor exhorts his congregation to do what is pleasing to God. This is only helpful when the gospel is clearly established. The law, “behaving like Jesus” (the one who perfectly fulfilled the law) is only good for believers. Apart from Jesus, it’s bondage, and it condemns.
I’d also caution against dividing Jesus’ from the apostles. Paul and Peter were very doctrinal, and good examples for how to go about life in the church. James is more pragmatic, but is filled with rich theology as well.
I pray you’ll find comfort in the body of Christ and press on to do good works.
Appreciate your thoughts. The only thing I disagree with is your integration of our need for the gospel and our need for church. I think the two are separate
@@LondonJBaker On a base level, I agree. But I don't think we should conclude that -- because we're saved by grace alone through faith alone, not by works (i.e., going to church like a good boy) -- no one needs church. A limb that's cut off from the body will die. The body may suffer, but the limb will surely die. The church is vital to the life of the believer: in encouragement, sanctification, and ministry of word and sacrament. Completely divorcing the Christian life from the life of the church is more a product of post-enlightenment individualism than scripture or church history, and it contributes to our culture's rapid increase in social atomization and isolation/loneliness. Church is tangibly subversive.
You are correct I’d say
You want to know how to live your life in detail, I advise you to look into Islam
Thanks for the suggestion
Satanists do not go to church or have an organized religion, this is one of the reasons i worship Satan, he doesn't care about churches and stuff.
Jesus doesn’t care about church either but he does care about people. Church killed Christ. I appreciate your input and I’m grateful you watched the video but I’m going to be sticking with Jesus :)
@@LondonJBaker Jesus's church didn't kill him. The religious order of the Pharisees were interlopers who usurped the authority of the Priesthood of the Levites. Herod was an Edomite ruling over the Judeans. The Pharisees believed in different books which eventually were compiled into the Talmud, other books were among them for their religious influence were those that became the Apocrypha. Those teachings were blasphemous and contradictory to God inspired scripture.
Jesus was angry with the Pharisees when they allowed people to make the temple into a place of merchandise and a den of thieves. Because the temple was received and ordained by God as a house of prayer. The actions made by the Pharisees were not ordained as God's church, but as an erroneous sect of the church that was Israel, that had gone on to lead God's people away. False prophets and lying teachers.
The church Jesus established did not partake in his execution, with the exception of Judas who was a false convert, possessed by the Devil, and the treasurer of the first church.
If you were to say Israel was a church, you'd be right.
The Israelites were considered a type of church, however Jesus' ministry was that of redemption. Insomuch that he was working to reclaim his church by gathering his people back under himself, and to lead them out of the synagogue of Satan back into the ministry he laid aside for Israel at its founding. Jesus' church which was first in Jerusalem, at the time had about 120 official members when they voted Matthias in as an Apostle to replaced Judas. (There were multitudes that thronged Jesus in other places which no doubt started their own local churches eventually.) Following the event of Pentecost they were numbered about 3120 for the church in Jerusalem.
In any wise, the church of God, were not the killers, and the church is not the problem, it's Jesus beloved. The problem is there are wolves in sheep's clothing pretending to be ministers of God, and are not. That is likely why you're feeling like church isn't doing its job. Because, the pastors as you feel are not. Their job is to feed Christ's sheep, and when they aren't feeding them they're not serving God.
@@oldtimelogic Now my question for you is this-was the church established while Jesus was on earth? The answer: no. The great commission was instituted and Jesus gave us commands but the Christian church wasn’t instituted until after he had ascended.