Hi there~~As Korail's staff, thank you for visiting Korea and using KTX again! As your fan, I will let you know why the train is shaking.There was a air spring's problem with the design of KTX-EUM made by Hyundai-Rotem... So Korail and Hyundai-Rotem made an agreement, and air spring is gradually improving since August, 2023. I think the first train was not improved, and the second train was improved in different ways like Wheel Turning or Wheel Changing. I wish you understand this well !
@@japanesetrainandtravel6168 because now KTX-EUM(EMU-260 model) is lower class than normal KTX/KTX-Sancheon. EMU-320 model(now in production), and EMU-370(in development by Hyundai Rotem) model will replace KTX-1(based on TGV)
@@japanesetrainandtravel6168 Because it is cheaper to build & commission lower-speed trains for lines with lower top speed. (The line top speed is limited by the minimum radius of curves, the distance of tracks, tunnel diameter and the level of noise protection deployed alongside the track.) This is similar to the choice by JR Central & JR West to build Series E7/W7 trains for the Hokuriku Shinkansen with a top speed of "only" 275 km/h, or the use of 200 to 250 km/h CRH1, CRH5 & CRH6 trains on secondary high-speed lines in China, or the use of 265 km/h ICE4 sets in Germany.
Gangwon is quite remote! It's relatively undeveloped being 82% mountainous and only sparsely populated. Besides the 2018 Winter Olympics and Paralympics, there's also the 2024 Winter Youth Olympics! As you saw on the sign at 8:21 for Pyeongchang, the c isn't actually capitalized! The reason the C is capitalized as PyeongChang in the 2018 Winter Olympics and Paralympics emblems is because they wanted to avoid confusion with Pyongyang, the capital of the DPRK. In fact, despite this being changed, Olympic sponsor officials accidentally landed in Pyongyang back in April 2017! An Embraer Brazilian jet was carrying eight passengers from Beijing to Pyeongchang but landed instead in Pyongyang. With the aid of a translator, the pilot said he was sorry. Like, 1000 times, in several different languages. The passengers were told to disembark while their luggage was inspected. The people were petrified about what might happen. Bemused flight control staff in Pyongyang allowed it and its passengers to land before the plane was ushered to a remote part of the airport. After inspecting the collection of Olympic badges, which were intended to be delivered to Pyeongchang, DPRK officials were satisfied that the landing was completely inadvertent, and the plane was allowed to carry on to Pyeongchang.
Here I am around midnight in Australia waiting for and enjoying your new weekly video! What a great train. I also noticed the aligned windows! Wish every train would have this. Thank you again Thibault!
@@BeyDex I doubt it. Australia simply doesn't have the population density to make it work. And it is a very car-dominant society. Much like the US, where even with a population more than 10x Australia's, high speed trains are still not a feature. Perhaps one day between Sydney and Melbourne... but we will see.
@@dennisrettke racism plays a huge role in USA. people just don't want to mingle with people of other race in public transportation, if they can afford it. Rosa Parks drove Americans to buy cars.
Yup, while Gangneung station definitely looks overbuilt now, as Gangneung was hosting many Olympic and Paralympic events at the Gangneung Olympic Park, it made perfect sense to build it that way for all the spectators. The mascots you see at 0:19 are Soohorang (on the left) and Bandabi (on the right). Soohorang was the Olympic mascot and is a tiger while Bandabi was the Paralympic mascot and is an Asiatic black bear. Sooho means protection in Korean, and Rang derives from "Ho-rang-i", the Korean word for tiger. Rang also references to Arirang, a cherished traditional Korean folk song from Gangwon. Banda comes from bandal, meaning half-moon, and bi in this case means to celebrate the competition. Tigers are important in Korean culture. Baekho, the white tiger, is described in myths and narratives as a divine imaginary animal that watches over the mountains and nature. Korea is known as the land of tigers because Korea was historically inhabited by many and is said to resemble one! In the myth of Dangun, the founder of Gojoseon, a bear and a tiger wished to become human beings. The bear turned into a woman by observing the commandments to eat only mugwort and garlic for 100 days in a cave, but the tiger could not endure the ordeal and ran off, failing to realize its wish. The bear gave birth to Dangun. Soohorang is the continuity of Hodori from the 1988 Summer Olympics, while Bandabi is the continuity of Gomdoori from the 1988 Summer Paralympics
I did the Seoul to Busan KTX journey (and back) last year, such a great train ride. I'm returning to Korea next year and will do more journeys to different cities.
2:20 You can see EMUs are now majority in the current HSR trainset market. Those old-fashioned locomotive-driven KTXs have had several operational disadvantages -- limited passenger space (which is critical for the current passenger trend), low flexibility (too expensive for low-demand lines), and poor traction issues (EMUs are way better to increase accel/deceleration). Design principle of HSR network has been also vastly different from the first idea -- the current Korean HSR network is more like German ones instead of French ones. 8:50 Not surprisingly, this has been an issue from the trainsets' debut and they investigated it. On this March, Rotem concluded that they designed damper/suspension with some flaws. They planned replacement and is ongoing, so you might have ridden the flawed one and the improved one. Note that there were several similar problems during test of EMU-320-based KTX-EUM which delayed their introduction.
side note: EUM, which should be pronounced like yee-umm, is a korea word stands for 'connecting.' this stands in line with the Korail's current slogan, 'connecting (people's) mind.' + This version of EUM is also called EMU-260 (simply named after its max speed of 260km/h), and EMU-320 (max 320km/h, surprise surprise) version will soon be manufactured by Hyundai Rotem, which eventially will replace all those classic KTX trains with 300km/h max speed. Few of the new EMU-320s are already on track for testing purposes!
Note that the original romanization for 이음 is actually Ieum, but they chose EUM because it is an anagram of EMU, and current Korean romanization form is not straightforward.
French TGV's are very narrow trains at 2.9m wide, even though they use the same standard gauge track. Shinkansens are much much wider trains at 3.3m. This Korean train is around 3.15 m wide, half way between TGV and Shinkansen.
Nice one Thibault and after reading the comments it’s great to see how many knowledgeable people are on your channel, I find it interesting that on most trains around the world that English is the second language it seems they are following airports in this regard
The bumpy ride could be caused by flat wheels. Had a similar experience on a Singapore Downtown Line metro train, it was traveling at high speed (it's around the Hume Station pre "renovation"). My arse basically protested after that ... plus the extremely flat plastic seats of the line... (the other line of the Singapore metro has a more contoured plastic seat.) the whole train basically felt like extreme turbulence in a plane... but on my arse...
A proper flat wheel would really force a high-speed train to stop: the accelerations and forces increase with the square of speed, so going three times faster than the metro means nine times stronger forces. But even smaller wheel surface damage can explain the ride quality problems. But there is another, more likely option, that may also be connected to the wheel surface, which needs some explaining, as it is a phenomenon unique to railways and alien to road vehicles. (Bear with me, I like to explain as this is my profession.) Rail wheel profiles are cone-shaped, that is, wider towards the inside. This has two benefits: on one hand, when travelling along a curve, each wheelset can find a position where the inner wheel rolls on a smaller radius than the outer wheel; on the other hand, on a straight line, if some disturbance tosses the wheelset slightly to one side, the increased radius on that side will cause that wheel to roll ahead of the other wheel, thus turn the wheelset against the dislocation. Eventually, the wheelset centre will move towards the other side, where the same thing will happen, so there will be a left-right oscillation. This movement is called hunting. If two wheelsets are in a bogie, the wheelset movement will make the bogie rotate left-right, but the wheelsets are not in perfect phase, thus the carbody above it (in which the passengers sit) will also shake left-right. Now, normally, hunting is a movement that decays due to friction, and that's when it is a good thing: in spite of small irregularities in the rail surface, the train ride will smooth out, it will be stable. However, that decay rate is speed-dependent, and for any given pairing of a wheelset and a pair of rails, there is a limit speed above which the ride will be unstable: instead of decaying, hunting will actually be enhanced, and even on the smoothest rails, a strong oscillation will develop. The limit speed of hunting depends on a lot of factors, but the most important is just the geometry of the wheel & rail surfaces (which determines the running radius difference as a function of lateral dislocation). That is, the shape of the running surface cross-sections. And that changes as both the wheels & rails are worn in use, and the usual result is the lowering of the limit speed of unstable running. A high-speed train with new wheels might have a limit speed well in excess of 300 km/h even on medium-worn rails, but if the wheels are worn, and especially if they are worn in an uneven way (say with an asymmetry due to riding along the same curves every day without turning), the limit speed may get smaller than operating speed. And then you'll feel a strong lateral shaking, for high-speed trains with frequencies potentially well above ten per second.
Think this train platform has a few teething issues. Complaints about noise/shaking in the similar higher speed EMU-320 trains in testing too. Hyundai-Rotem had to pay damages for the delay/problems etc. The seat back screens are interesting, think they'd be ripped off pretty soon in most countries 😂 (think Spain's new Talgo trains might have them too). Looks great!
Just one comment, the class you took isn't technically First Class. First Class only exists on KTX-I and KTX-II, with a 2+1 configuration, and is 40% more expensive than Second Class. But on this KTX-Eum, which has few business passengers, they instead opted for a "Superior Class" (what you took) which is only 20% more expensive than Second Class, hence why it's in a 2+2 configuration.
Oooohhh never been more exited than now for a new video. My first trip reports where in Korea as well. And when did you record this? I'm at my gf her family now and we do some traveling around Taiwan but I see everyone wearing a mask in Korea, is it obligated (at least in Taiwan 60% is wearing a mask but it's not obligated).
pretty sure mask wearing was pretty common, even before the pandemic due to fine dust issues from domestic and from china... and maybe some of the Japanese behaviors rubbed off on them...
Hello! I'm a long-time subscriber who works as a station employee at KORAIL. On April 1, a new 8-car power-distributed express train, KTX CHEONG-RYONG (KTX-Blue Dragon/EMU-320), which runs at a top speed of 320 km/h, was launched based on the KTX-EUM (260) high speed train that you boarded on your last visit to Korea. Starting in May, the service will run between Seoul Station and Busan Station, and between Yongsan Station and Mokpo Station. Please come to Korea once again and experience the newly introduced high-speed train.
Absolutely loved it and remember a colleague of yours from the French national Railways has to be present in the cab just in case if the Korail Trainee drivers has problems understanding TVM-430 used on the HSR Network which itself is derived from the French one but uses the voltage of the newer electrified section of the Northeast Corridor in the United States and Western Japan 25kv 60hz AC 0:21 2018 Winter Games mascot
Interesting to see that you rate the at seat entertainment syste highly... I remember that the first ICE generation in Germany had music and movies at the seat but although there was a large choice, it never took of... People seem to prefer their own stuff after all...
It's good they offer USB-A, because that side of the cable is always A right? All devices I have, even a new OnePlus smartphone, always have USB-C on the device-side and USB-A on the wall-side.
I wonder why they did not go for the high capacity TGV M. It does 200mph also. Their loading gauge looks more generous than France's so they could have had a taller and wider train. The low doors are also more appropriate for the lower platforms.
I rode the KTX pretty routinely between Daegu and Seoul when I worked in Korea until 2016. The trains were always clean and comfortable. Prices were affordable. And it was twice as fast as driving Route 1, which I did numerous times too (don’t get me started on Seoul traffic. My one complaint was the lack of any real catering.
Thanks for this great little video. You posted it while I was on my flight home from Seoul. Must do this route next time! Was a little disappointed that my train the other day from Daegu to Seoul was on a fairly old KTX Sancheon set (118), but it was very quiet, fast and generally most enjoyable! You were right, non-Korean cards don't work in the automats, which is a shame! But Korail is impressive!
I've noticed they've done away with the articulation of the bogies (Wheels) The articulated bogies on the previous models, especially the original KTX train based on the TGV are proven by France how much lighter the train becomes and if there is an accident, articulated coaches don't separate, therefore safer as the train will remain upright and stay joined together.
Was in Korea in the 1980's the train service was terrible. I would love to come and enjoy some of the new trains. They look great. A much-needed improvement.
In 1980 South Korea was worse than eastern European countries but now it became a high-tech, developed country and 12th biggest economies in the world.
When did Europe got these facilities? All of us starts from something. Yet the criticizing and bullying of developed countries on developing countries is the worst.
A word about the "first" class, and why the seat pitch is more or less the same as economy class - on the EUM trainsets, there is no "first" class, but rather what Korail classifies as "superior" class. It's basically supposed to be somewhere between first and economy class, hence the slightly lower prices and the not so different seat pitch. As someone who has tried both classes, I strongly agree that it's not really worth the class upgrade. First class on KTX and KTX-Sancheon trainsets is really comfy, though (and quite expensive, but still pretty cheap compared to other countries). Also, speaking of seat pitch, I can't help but appreciate our Korean trains even more. I've seen a lot of your European train videos and I've been fairly disappointed by the tight seat pitch on those, even in first/business class. The fact that Korean economy class seats are more roomy and comfy than European business class makes me happy to live in Korea. The only exception is the pitch on the original KTX trains, which is a bit tighter, but that's expected since they're directly derived from French TGVs.
Thanks for the video, Thibault. A question: Are masks mandatory on trains/planes in South Korea? Or do people all wear masks just as a matter of principle and to stay safe? I ask this since in America, most people no longer wear them.
Not anymore, But even before Covid, wearing mask was not awkward thing in Korea due to some climate reasons like Yellow Dust from Gobi Desert in spring or flu season during winter.
@@BHG5408 As a person who lived in Korea, Yongsan is where "Gyoung-ui" Line (Gyoung means Seoul and ui is middle syllable of Shin-ui-ju) began and ended at Shin-ui-ju (northwestern end) in North Korea. This was built 1906 after Japanese came in and built Japan-Russia Railroad through Korea (started in 1904 where they built Gyoung-bu Line [Seoul-Busan]). And there is another line called "Jung-Ang" Line starts from Cheongyangni to Gyoungju (386 km) (completed back in 04/01, 1942). Jung-Ang means "center" where this line is running/cutting through the center of the country. So right now, Gyoung-ui Line and Jung-Ang Line got connected by using local train network and became one line: Gyoung-ui-Jung-Ang Line (local passenger network still operating). Yes, Gyoung-ui Line ends at Seoul (main) Station too and it used to split from Susek but now it splits from Ga-Jua. *Long Distance high speed train stations in Seoul city: Seoul, Sinchon (oldest station in Seoul), SuSaek (1~3 goes to Seoul Station and 4~7 goes to YongSan Station), YongSan, YoungDungPo, Chungyangni, SeongBuk, Hoegi I used to pass these Gyoung-ui Line every month when I lived there. I still have those images in my head. By the way, YongSan is part of Seoul. The main "Seoul Station" (where GyoungBu [Seoul-Busan] and GyoungUi [Seoul-Shin-Ui-Ju] Line begins and ends) is like Chicago Union Station (where Amtrak from east and west starts and ends) in United States.
Demander à Simply Railways une vidéo sur le shinkansen c'est comme demander à Vilebrequin un vultech sur le différentiel. En espérant que ça ne se termine pas pareil 😂😂
If you think the upgrade on these trains isn't worth it - well, on some lines between London and the South Coast you have 1/3 carriage of first class (between the first set of doors and the end of the carriage), and literally the only difference, apart from the price, is that the seats have an antimacassar on them saying "First Class". Otherwise they are exactly the same! I don't waste my money.
Currently, some of the Jungang Line KTX trains also depart from Seoul Station (organized as a composite train with the Gangneung Line KTX). And...it is said that the increase in speed on the central line will be completed within the summer.
looks good, but actually that is not, the fare is higher. also, the ticketing count is not kind to their customer at the Seoul train station the ticket count woman seems to have a not caring attitude toward the customers waiting for the trains for their travel. many employees do not seem to have enough knowledge of the job they have been doing. on Feb 17th, 2024, I had to wait for 2 and a half hrs for nothing my destination was Pohang City. I was at ticket count at Am10:10 and they gave me a ticket due on heading for Pohang on PM 02:38. while waiting at Seoul station I saw several trains leaving for Pohang City, on pm 02:38 After my train made 2nd stop at DAE JEON, at least 35 % of seats were available, and lots of seats were available. so even though a ticket with no seat was available, no one explained to me. taking all my experience into consideration, Ktx looks good but, Technically KTX makes lots of matters for their customers, but we have no idea inside KTX. To me this is a part of the Korean Political system.
What you said is that you need to understand the train reservation system. You mentioned that you booked KTX from Seoul Station to Pohang Station, which is the starting station (Seoul Station) and the ending station (Pohang Station). If you say KTX from Seoul Station to Pohang Station, it stops at Gwangmyeong Station, Cheonan Asan Station, Osong Station, Daejeon Station, Gimcheon Gumi Station, Seodaegu Station, and Dongdaegu Station (random stop among the above train stations). Since not all passengers get on from Seoul Station to Pohang Station, the train ticket reservation system sells train seats at a certain rate by dividing them by boarding section. That's why when the KTX you boarded passed Daejeon Station, more than 35% of the train seats were empty. This is a method sold by all governments and companies that operate trains, although there are differences in operation methods.
Great trip. If they make First Class seating in 2+2, the second class should be 2+3 tbh or using TGV seat configuration. I think you should bring some cash in case of you find vending machines. Overall great train. Lastly, the internet coverage in South Korea is spread widely across the country, even inside tunnel.
cash ? This is not the era before the 2010, nor was it the opening time of ktx-2, but it has been about 10 years since the use of qr codes or check cards through payment became common
French TGV trains are only 2.9 meter wide, where as Shinkansen trains are 3.35 meter wide. a huge difference in width, even though they both use standard gauge tracks. this Korean train is around 3.15 meter wide. French TGV had to use 2+1 seating, because it was so narrow to begin with. there really is no point in making 3.15 meter wide train with 2+1 seating. 2+2 is wide enough.
I hate you man just fly to Korea to take a train I am so jealous. Did already Japan trains in the past. Korea is still on my list. Will you take the Train to Busan too?😅
It's not the looks that matter but the drive configuration. TGVs have "tractor heads" (locomotives with cab at only one end) at both ends. The KTX-EUM (just like the ICE3/Velaro or all Shinkansen types, or the AGV) has distributed traction, with passengers along the entire length, motor bogies under multiple cars and power electronics underfloor or on the roof.
For reference, not only does the ktx-eum series look different from the old tgv, but the localization rate of Hyundai rotem, the manufacturer, is more than 95%. Well, but I would respect your extroverted opinion itself.
Of course, I might think it's just one of your opinion, but it's true that it doesn't resemble anything and it's not a train of the same technology at all after the KTX-2 late part
Hi there~~As Korail's staff, thank you for visiting Korea and using KTX again! As your fan, I will let you know why the train is shaking.There was a air spring's problem with the design of KTX-EUM made by Hyundai-Rotem... So Korail and Hyundai-Rotem made an agreement, and air spring is gradually improving since August, 2023. I think the first train was not improved, and the second train was improved in different ways like Wheel Turning or Wheel Changing. I wish you understand this well !
Thanks for that info. I am just curious why the KTX went for a lower top speed with these new EMUs
@@japanesetrainandtravel6168 because now KTX-EUM(EMU-260 model) is lower class than normal KTX/KTX-Sancheon.
EMU-320 model(now in production), and EMU-370(in development by Hyundai Rotem) model will replace KTX-1(based on TGV)
@@japanesetrainandtravel6168 Because it is cheaper to build & commission lower-speed trains for lines with lower top speed. (The line top speed is limited by the minimum radius of curves, the distance of tracks, tunnel diameter and the level of noise protection deployed alongside the track.) This is similar to the choice by JR Central & JR West to build Series E7/W7 trains for the Hokuriku Shinkansen with a top speed of "only" 275 km/h, or the use of 200 to 250 km/h CRH1, CRH5 & CRH6 trains on secondary high-speed lines in China, or the use of 265 km/h ICE4 sets in Germany.
@@Daneelrothx
Hey! Thanks for your comment! It all make sense now :-)
Gangwon is quite remote! It's relatively undeveloped being 82% mountainous and only sparsely populated. Besides the 2018 Winter Olympics and Paralympics, there's also the 2024 Winter Youth Olympics! As you saw on the sign at 8:21 for Pyeongchang, the c isn't actually capitalized! The reason the C is capitalized as PyeongChang in the 2018 Winter Olympics and Paralympics emblems is because they wanted to avoid confusion with Pyongyang, the capital of the DPRK. In fact, despite this being changed, Olympic sponsor officials accidentally landed in Pyongyang back in April 2017! An Embraer Brazilian jet was carrying eight passengers from Beijing to Pyeongchang but landed instead in Pyongyang.
With the aid of a translator, the pilot said he was sorry. Like, 1000 times, in several different languages. The passengers were told to disembark while their luggage was inspected. The people were petrified about what might happen. Bemused flight control staff in Pyongyang allowed it and its passengers to land before the plane was ushered to a remote part of the airport. After inspecting the collection of Olympic badges, which were intended to be delivered to Pyeongchang, DPRK officials were satisfied that the landing was completely inadvertent, and the plane was allowed to carry on to Pyeongchang.
Everywhere looks so clean and well maintained. Koreans have proper respect for each other.
Here I am around midnight in Australia waiting for and enjoying your new weekly video! What a great train. I also noticed the aligned windows! Wish every train would have this. Thank you again Thibault!
maybe one day there will be high speed trains in australia... maybe... maybe not 🥲
@@BeyDex I doubt it. Australia simply doesn't have the population density to make it work. And it is a very car-dominant society. Much like the US, where even with a population more than 10x Australia's, high speed trains are still not a feature. Perhaps one day between Sydney and Melbourne... but we will see.
@@dennisrettke racism plays a huge role in USA. people just don't want to mingle with people of other race in public transportation, if they can afford it. Rosa Parks drove Americans to buy cars.
Sleek, elegant nose. Also like the look of the train very much. Great vid.
Yup, while Gangneung station definitely looks overbuilt now, as Gangneung was hosting many Olympic and Paralympic events at the Gangneung Olympic Park, it made perfect sense to build it that way for all the spectators. The mascots you see at 0:19 are Soohorang (on the left) and Bandabi (on the right). Soohorang was the Olympic mascot and is a tiger while Bandabi was the Paralympic mascot and is an Asiatic black bear. Sooho means protection in Korean, and Rang derives from "Ho-rang-i", the Korean word for tiger. Rang also references to Arirang, a cherished traditional Korean folk song from Gangwon. Banda comes from bandal, meaning half-moon, and bi in this case means to celebrate the competition.
Tigers are important in Korean culture. Baekho, the white tiger, is described in myths and narratives as a divine imaginary animal that watches over the mountains and nature. Korea is known as the land of tigers because Korea was historically inhabited by many and is said to resemble one! In the myth of Dangun, the founder of Gojoseon, a bear and a tiger wished to become human beings. The bear turned into a woman by observing the commandments to eat only mugwort and garlic for 100 days in a cave, but the tiger could not endure the ordeal and ran off, failing to realize its wish. The bear gave birth to Dangun. Soohorang is the continuity of Hodori from the 1988 Summer Olympics, while Bandabi is the continuity of Gomdoori from the 1988 Summer Paralympics
Thank-you for hat cultural info!
Korean high speed trains are so beautiful and very fast. I wonder why South Korea loves high speed trains.
I did the Seoul to Busan KTX journey (and back) last year, such a great train ride. I'm returning to Korea next year and will do more journeys to different cities.
2:42 In view of the ramp after the escalators, they plan to raise the platforms up to 1m (the height of the KTX-EUM floor)
2:20 You can see EMUs are now majority in the current HSR trainset market. Those old-fashioned locomotive-driven KTXs have had several operational disadvantages -- limited passenger space (which is critical for the current passenger trend), low flexibility (too expensive for low-demand lines), and poor traction issues (EMUs are way better to increase accel/deceleration). Design principle of HSR network has been also vastly different from the first idea -- the current Korean HSR network is more like German ones instead of French ones.
8:50 Not surprisingly, this has been an issue from the trainsets' debut and they investigated it. On this March, Rotem concluded that they designed damper/suspension with some flaws. They planned replacement and is ongoing, so you might have ridden the flawed one and the improved one. Note that there were several similar problems during test of EMU-320-based KTX-EUM which delayed their introduction.
When will the EMU-320 be commercially introduced? Edit: apparently, early next year!
side note: EUM, which should be pronounced like yee-umm, is a korea word stands for 'connecting.' this stands in line with the Korail's current slogan, 'connecting (people's) mind.'
+ This version of EUM is also called EMU-260 (simply named after its max speed of 260km/h), and EMU-320 (max 320km/h, surprise surprise) version will soon be manufactured by Hyundai Rotem, which eventially will replace all those classic KTX trains with 300km/h max speed. Few of the new EMU-320s are already on track for testing purposes!
Note that the original romanization for 이음 is actually Ieum, but they chose EUM because it is an anagram of EMU, and current Korean romanization form is not straightforward.
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@@kayubakar1027its not supposed to be designed to go faster, also didnt china build one for you instead?
@@BrakeCoach
Korean trains use French technology, so what's the difference?
@@tambroljk292 KTX used French Tech with articulating bogies.
This EUM train is EMU with conventional bogies, completely different from French TGV.
I used to live in South Korea and I miss using their trains. So much cheaper and usually more comfortable than British trains.
hey I have a question. How can u listen the audio of video playing in the display of ur seat
@@shivamanand3686 Where the fuck are you?
Nice ride. Love the look of the train. Not fond of 2+2 seating in first class. Seats looked comfy. Thanks Thibault♥️👌
French TGV's are very narrow trains at 2.9m wide, even though they use the same standard gauge track.
Shinkansens are much much wider trains at 3.3m.
This Korean train is around 3.15 m wide, half way between TGV and Shinkansen.
@@davidjacobs8558meanwhile, UK trains are 2.7m....
Nice one Thibault and after reading the comments it’s great to see how many knowledgeable people are on your channel, I find it interesting that on most trains around the world that English is the second language it seems they are following airports in this regard
The bumpy ride could be caused by flat wheels.
Had a similar experience on a Singapore Downtown Line metro train, it was traveling at high speed (it's around the Hume Station pre "renovation"). My arse basically protested after that ... plus the extremely flat plastic seats of the line... (the other line of the Singapore metro has a more contoured plastic seat.) the whole train basically felt like extreme turbulence in a plane... but on my arse...
A proper flat wheel would really force a high-speed train to stop: the accelerations and forces increase with the square of speed, so going three times faster than the metro means nine times stronger forces. But even smaller wheel surface damage can explain the ride quality problems. But there is another, more likely option, that may also be connected to the wheel surface, which needs some explaining, as it is a phenomenon unique to railways and alien to road vehicles. (Bear with me, I like to explain as this is my profession.)
Rail wheel profiles are cone-shaped, that is, wider towards the inside. This has two benefits: on one hand, when travelling along a curve, each wheelset can find a position where the inner wheel rolls on a smaller radius than the outer wheel; on the other hand, on a straight line, if some disturbance tosses the wheelset slightly to one side, the increased radius on that side will cause that wheel to roll ahead of the other wheel, thus turn the wheelset against the dislocation. Eventually, the wheelset centre will move towards the other side, where the same thing will happen, so there will be a left-right oscillation. This movement is called hunting. If two wheelsets are in a bogie, the wheelset movement will make the bogie rotate left-right, but the wheelsets are not in perfect phase, thus the carbody above it (in which the passengers sit) will also shake left-right.
Now, normally, hunting is a movement that decays due to friction, and that's when it is a good thing: in spite of small irregularities in the rail surface, the train ride will smooth out, it will be stable. However, that decay rate is speed-dependent, and for any given pairing of a wheelset and a pair of rails, there is a limit speed above which the ride will be unstable: instead of decaying, hunting will actually be enhanced, and even on the smoothest rails, a strong oscillation will develop.
The limit speed of hunting depends on a lot of factors, but the most important is just the geometry of the wheel & rail surfaces (which determines the running radius difference as a function of lateral dislocation). That is, the shape of the running surface cross-sections. And that changes as both the wheels & rails are worn in use, and the usual result is the lowering of the limit speed of unstable running. A high-speed train with new wheels might have a limit speed well in excess of 300 km/h even on medium-worn rails, but if the wheels are worn, and especially if they are worn in an uneven way (say with an asymmetry due to riding along the same curves every day without turning), the limit speed may get smaller than operating speed. And then you'll feel a strong lateral shaking, for high-speed trains with frequencies potentially well above ten per second.
@@Daneelro uhm... TLDR?
(I did read it still... TLDR appreciated)
Think this train platform has a few teething issues. Complaints about noise/shaking in the similar higher speed EMU-320 trains in testing too. Hyundai-Rotem had to pay damages for the delay/problems etc. The seat back screens are interesting, think they'd be ripped off pretty soon in most countries 😂 (think Spain's new Talgo trains might have them too). Looks great!
Just one comment, the class you took isn't technically First Class. First Class only exists on KTX-I and KTX-II, with a 2+1 configuration, and is 40% more expensive than Second Class. But on this KTX-Eum, which has few business passengers, they instead opted for a "Superior Class" (what you took) which is only 20% more expensive than Second Class, hence why it's in a 2+2 configuration.
Oooohhh never been more exited than now for a new video. My first trip reports where in Korea as well.
And when did you record this? I'm at my gf her family now and we do some traveling around Taiwan but I see everyone wearing a mask in Korea, is it obligated (at least in Taiwan 60% is wearing a mask but it's not obligated).
pretty sure mask wearing was pretty common, even before the pandemic due to fine dust issues from domestic and from china... and maybe some of the Japanese behaviors rubbed off on them...
The description states that this video was recorded in November 2022. Masks are not compulsory in SK since earlier this year (with some exceptions).
The beach in Gangneung kinda reminded me of southern France with all the pine trees. Did you go there as well?
Thanks Thibault for sharing this, looks like Korail has set the bar fairly high but achieved their goals!
Hello! I'm a long-time subscriber who works as a station employee at KORAIL. On April 1, a new 8-car power-distributed express train, KTX CHEONG-RYONG (KTX-Blue Dragon/EMU-320), which runs at a top speed of 320 km/h, was launched based on the KTX-EUM (260) high speed train that you boarded on your last visit to Korea.
Starting in May, the service will run between Seoul Station and Busan Station, and between Yongsan Station and Mokpo Station. Please come to Korea once again and experience the newly introduced high-speed train.
Absolutely loved it and remember a colleague of yours from the French national Railways has to be present in the cab just in case if the Korail Trainee drivers has problems understanding TVM-430 used on the HSR Network which itself is derived from the French one but uses the voltage of the newer electrified section of the Northeast Corridor in the United States and Western Japan 25kv 60hz AC 0:21 2018 Winter Games mascot
Interesting to see that you rate the at seat entertainment syste highly... I remember that the first ICE generation in Germany had music and movies at the seat but although there was a large choice, it never took of... People seem to prefer their own stuff after all...
It's good they offer USB-A, because that side of the cable is always A right? All devices I have, even a new OnePlus smartphone, always have USB-C on the device-side and USB-A on the wall-side.
pretty scenic and wintery drive
It looks fantastic.
Great trip report
12:24 the train is shaking so hard
I adore Korail. I just love the safety instruction cartoon they show at the start. It’s one of the best train systems in the world I reckon
hey I have a question. How can u listen the audio of video playing in the display of ur seat
9:03 I think it is because of defect it has. Hyundai said that they are going to change the air spring for the problem.
I wonder why they did not go for the high capacity TGV M. It does 200mph also. Their loading gauge looks more generous than France's so they could have had a taller and wider train. The low doors are also more appropriate for the lower platforms.
Hey! Just wanted to know what app you’re using for measuring the speed? Any suggestions will help me (for ios) Thanks!
Indonesia newbrand high speed railway 420 km/hours.oprate 350km/hours, very smooth.
I rode the KTX pretty routinely between Daegu and Seoul when I worked in Korea until 2016. The trains were always clean and comfortable. Prices were affordable. And it was twice as fast as driving Route 1, which I did numerous times too (don’t get me started on Seoul traffic. My one complaint was the lack of any real catering.
Live stream it, mind blown.
Are you planning to check out the new Indonesian line?
There is another new Ktx REALEASED!!!
Ktx-cheongryong
320km/h
Commercial running from May
South Korea's investment on its railway is very helpful to support its economy.
Thanks for this great little video. You posted it while I was on my flight home from Seoul. Must do this route next time! Was a little disappointed that my train the other day from Daegu to Seoul was on a fairly old KTX Sancheon set (118), but it was very quiet, fast and generally most enjoyable!
You were right, non-Korean cards don't work in the automats, which is a shame!
But Korail is impressive!
Very awesome
Top ta vidéo
The windows are small but it looks like everyone gets a good window view.
I've noticed they've done away with the articulation of the bogies (Wheels)
The articulated bogies on the previous models, especially the original KTX train based on the TGV are proven by France how much lighter the train becomes and if there is an accident, articulated coaches don't separate, therefore safer as the train will remain upright and stay joined together.
Great and informative video it is!!
Thx 4 posting it👍👍👍!!!
If we look at the water inside the cup, I bet you cannot perform coin test on this KTX. 😅
I just can't get past the fact that these brand new trains still don't allow level-boarding. In 2024 that's wild
Was in Korea in the 1980's the train service was terrible. I would love to come and enjoy some of the new trains. They look great. A much-needed improvement.
In 1980 South Korea was worse than eastern European countries but now it became a high-tech, developed country and 12th biggest economies in the world.
Max speed for trains during the era was 120-130kph, so yes i would say so.
When did Europe got these facilities? All of us starts from something. Yet the criticizing and bullying of developed countries on developing countries is the worst.
still your mind is just so terrible so far lol, more and more and more grow up
that interior looks fantastic! especially the in seat entertainment - you basically never see that on trains
welcome to korea~
Nice train, maybe Hyundai could look at selling these to other countries as well.
Could be a financial coup with bourgeoning markets such as the US building high speed rail around the world.
A word about the "first" class, and why the seat pitch is more or less the same as economy class - on the EUM trainsets, there is no "first" class, but rather what Korail classifies as "superior" class. It's basically supposed to be somewhere between first and economy class, hence the slightly lower prices and the not so different seat pitch. As someone who has tried both classes, I strongly agree that it's not really worth the class upgrade. First class on KTX and KTX-Sancheon trainsets is really comfy, though (and quite expensive, but still pretty cheap compared to other countries).
Also, speaking of seat pitch, I can't help but appreciate our Korean trains even more. I've seen a lot of your European train videos and I've been fairly disappointed by the tight seat pitch on those, even in first/business class. The fact that Korean economy class seats are more roomy and comfy than European business class makes me happy to live in Korea. The only exception is the pitch on the original KTX trains, which is a bit tighter, but that's expected since they're directly derived from French TGVs.
Thanks for the video, Thibault. A question: Are masks mandatory on trains/planes in South Korea? Or do people all wear masks just as a matter of principle and to stay safe? I ask this since in America, most people no longer wear them.
Not anymore, But even before Covid, wearing mask was not awkward thing in Korea due to some climate reasons like Yellow Dust from Gobi Desert in spring or flu season during winter.
So, did you finish at Yongsan Station? or Seoul Station (main)?
KTX-EUM trains terminate at either Seoul or Cheongnyangni, they don't stop at Yongsan at all. This trip ended at Seoul.
@@BHG5408 As a person who lived in Korea, Yongsan is where "Gyoung-ui" Line (Gyoung means Seoul and ui is middle syllable of Shin-ui-ju) began and ended at Shin-ui-ju (northwestern end) in North Korea. This was built 1906 after Japanese came in and built Japan-Russia Railroad through Korea (started in 1904 where they built Gyoung-bu Line [Seoul-Busan]). And there is another line called "Jung-Ang" Line starts from Cheongyangni to Gyoungju (386 km) (completed back in 04/01, 1942). Jung-Ang means "center" where this line is running/cutting through the center of the country. So right now, Gyoung-ui Line and Jung-Ang Line got connected by using local train network and became one line: Gyoung-ui-Jung-Ang Line (local passenger network still operating). Yes, Gyoung-ui Line ends at Seoul (main) Station too and it used to split from Susek but now it splits from Ga-Jua.
*Long Distance high speed train stations in Seoul city: Seoul, Sinchon (oldest station in Seoul), SuSaek (1~3 goes to Seoul Station and 4~7 goes to YongSan Station), YongSan, YoungDungPo, Chungyangni, SeongBuk, Hoegi
I used to pass these Gyoung-ui Line every month when I lived there. I still have those images in my head. By the way, YongSan is part of Seoul. The main "Seoul Station" (where GyoungBu [Seoul-Busan] and GyoungUi [Seoul-Shin-Ui-Ju] Line begins and ends) is like Chicago Union Station (where Amtrak from east and west starts and ends) in United States.
Muito lindo trem boa viagem simplys boa tarde
Good finish on yhe trainset. Good occupancy on normal class. Tracks of high speed quality almost. Nice Korea!
Demander à Simply Railways une vidéo sur le shinkansen c'est comme demander à Vilebrequin un vultech sur le différentiel. En espérant que ça ne se termine pas pareil 😂😂
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If you think the upgrade on these trains isn't worth it - well, on some lines between London and the South Coast you have 1/3 carriage of first class (between the first set of doors and the end of the carriage), and literally the only difference, apart from the price, is that the seats have an antimacassar on them saying "First Class". Otherwise they are exactly the same! I don't waste my money.
Currently, some of the Jungang Line KTX trains also depart from Seoul Station (organized as a composite train with the Gangneung Line KTX). And...it is said that the increase in speed on the central line will be completed within the summer.
Who know, maybe Poland will buy like this for our new CPK/KDP trains
The load factor seems very high, looks like 90%+.
Gotta watch this than the other's Shanghai Maglev train.
사실 한국의 고속열차 사업은 이 나라의 작은 국토 면적으로 인해 활성화 되지 않았습니다. 하지만, 해외의 고속열차 수요가 급증하고 있는 상황에서 뒤늦게 기술을 개발하고 있다. 영상에 나오는 열차가 그것입니다.
Nice. Amtrak should have bought these to replace Acela.
Not having boarding at platform level seems to me to be a serious deficiency for passengers with suitcases or reduced mobility.
Passengers are bunded up in thick coats. Was it too cold on the train?
Currently, the temperature in Korea has dropped a lot, so it is -1 to -5 degrees Celsius.
The train should be warm inside.@@lee21gg
show the station also..
Sinplyyy 😃
so so!!
You should also try Haerang the rail cruise, which offers 2 or 3 day trip in entire South Korea.
hey I have a question. How can u listen the audio of video playing in the display of ur seat
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Idk man, i only took KTX I and II.
Never took Eum before.
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Beautiful lines of this KTX-EUM train made by Hyundai.
A 300kph version of the KTX EUM will replace the KTX and KTX-IIs in the near future.
👍🏻👍🏻
1:50-derived from…..
What about north korea trains?
Go to Indonesia to try new 350km/h high speed train
made in china yup
looks good, but actually that is not, the fare is higher. also, the ticketing count is not kind to their customer at the Seoul train station
the ticket count woman seems to have a not caring attitude toward the customers waiting for the trains for their travel. many employees
do not seem to have enough knowledge of the job they have been doing. on Feb 17th, 2024, I had to wait for 2 and a half hrs for nothing
my destination was Pohang City. I was at ticket count at Am10:10 and they gave me a ticket due on heading for Pohang on PM 02:38.
while waiting at Seoul station I saw several trains leaving for Pohang City, on pm 02:38 After my train made 2nd stop at DAE JEON, at least 35 % of seats were available, and lots of seats were available. so even though a ticket with no seat was available, no one explained to me.
taking all my experience into consideration, Ktx looks good but, Technically KTX makes lots of matters for their customers, but we have no idea inside KTX. To me this is a part of the Korean Political system.
What you said is that you need to understand the train reservation system. You mentioned that you booked KTX from Seoul Station to Pohang Station, which is the starting station (Seoul Station) and the ending station (Pohang Station). If you say KTX from Seoul Station to Pohang Station, it stops at Gwangmyeong Station, Cheonan Asan Station, Osong Station, Daejeon Station, Gimcheon Gumi Station, Seodaegu Station, and Dongdaegu Station (random stop among the above train stations). Since not all passengers get on from Seoul Station to Pohang Station, the train ticket reservation system sells train seats at a certain rate by dividing them by boarding section. That's why when the KTX you boarded passed Daejeon Station, more than 35% of the train seats were empty. This is a method sold by all governments and companies that operate trains, although there are differences in operation methods.
Great trip. If they make First Class seating in 2+2, the second class should be 2+3 tbh or using TGV seat configuration. I think you should bring some cash in case of you find vending machines. Overall great train. Lastly, the internet coverage in South Korea is spread widely across the country, even inside tunnel.
cash ? This is not the era before the 2010, nor was it the opening time of ktx-2, but it has been about 10 years since the use of qr codes or check cards through payment became common
@@hazelnut3794 this is the obstacles for foreigners who want to trying cashless payment in South Korea.
French TGV trains are only 2.9 meter wide, where as Shinkansen trains are 3.35 meter wide. a huge difference in width, even though they both use standard gauge tracks. this Korean train is around 3.15 meter wide.
French TGV had to use 2+1 seating, because it was so narrow to begin with.
there really is no point in making 3.15 meter wide train with 2+1 seating. 2+2 is wide enough.
Do you have a plan to review Jakarta-Bandung HSR?
Any BTS armys?💜
Haha People around world should know Hyundai can make bullet train!! and hyundai rotem sold a lot of trains to other countries
I wonder.. Why is it so empty? No people anywhere? Compared to European train stations, this place is empty.
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@1:40 design looks similar to the TGV sud-est
nope,
UZBEKISTAN ORDERED 6 THIS TRAIN FROM HYUNDAI ROTEM
looks like aeroplane
다 좋은데.. 색깔 저게 최선이었을까?
I hate you man just fly to Korea to take a train I am so jealous. Did already Japan trains in the past. Korea is still on my list. Will you take the Train to Busan too?😅
what is the speed for this train? Shanghai maglev never go above 300 km/hr
The nose and the coupler still look pretty much like TGV.
It's not the looks that matter but the drive configuration. TGVs have "tractor heads" (locomotives with cab at only one end) at both ends. The KTX-EUM (just like the ICE3/Velaro or all Shinkansen types, or the AGV) has distributed traction, with passengers along the entire length, motor bogies under multiple cars and power electronics underfloor or on the roof.
For reference, not only does the ktx-eum series look different from the old tgv, but the localization rate of Hyundai rotem, the manufacturer, is more than 95%.
Well, but I would respect your extroverted opinion itself.
When are you gonna start doing trip reports in Japan?
That train is not that new. It s out there since 3 years now..
How about trying the world's fastest CR400BF?
I would not take it because of the bad first class seating. Thanks for the review!
Kereta sangat lambat seperti 🐌🐌🐌🐌🐌🐌. Mau adu cepat dengan kereta whoosh indonesia???? Wkwkwkwkwk
You are proud of your new Chinese train.anyway, thanks for watching
인도네시아 고속철(Whoosh)는 중국(Chinese) 열차이므로,,, 이 열차는 한국제(Korean)입니다.
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the front of the train kind of looks like TGV atlantique.Also the branding KTX sounds so much like TGV.
Of course, I might think it's just one of your opinion, but it's true that it doesn't resemble anything and it's not a train of the same technology at all after the KTX-2 late part
Everyone please look at the water in the glass. For sure the coin can't stand long on the table while running in high speed
철덕들 모였네 ㅋㅋ