Thanks Jim. This is a great video. I like that you demonstrate everything in great detail - makes interpreting the rule really clear. I enjoy your videos. For me it would be helpful if you signpost to the R&A rule number that applies too.
Hey Jim, you should link your feedback template in the description of the video. I see other channels do that all the time where they link the products they talk about in the video directly in the video description.
just clarify - on the backward extension - do i have to drop the ball on the line - example like taking a relief from unplayable lie. or reference point and i club length pie no rearer the hole
I noticed you walked all inside your trap drop area compressing the sand with your feet before you made the drop. Same thing outside the trap where you pressed down the grass with your feet. This is okay?
Thanks for the views. While doing the videos and explaining things as I took the drops plus going over several situations there are extra footprints. According to golf rule 8.1 you are correct that you are not allowed to intentionally improve your golf ball’s lie. In this circumstance everything was accidental and footprints don’t improve your lie in a bunker but actually hurt your lie anyways.
Maybe I heard it wrong but I think you said you need to use the longest club in your bag to measure your allowable drop area. I do not think this is true, you can use any club except a putter. I believe they excluded putters due to the excessive length of the long putters. So although most people will use a driver to give them a bigger drop area it is not necessary that you use it.
@@robertkennedy1737 according to the golf rules all relief areas are to be measured using your longest club in your bag excluding your putter and for most of us this will be your driver. One can use a shorter club in the bag to measure with so long as the ball lands and stays in an area the size of your longest club in your bag except for your putter. In other words it is not required to putt tees down but it is a good idea to do so. It is a good practice to use your longest club to measure and put tees down like shown in a serious competitive tournament to avoid a fellow competitor calling you out and claiming you dropped incorrectly.
Jamie thanks for watching the video and thanks for the question! When standing water inside a bunker is the issue the backwards extension dropping outside the bunker is only a 1-stroke penalty. If you were to declare your ball unplayable inside a bunker then this option would be a 2 stroke penalty. Standing water inside a bunker is classified as abnormal course conditions so the rule is different.
At 5:09, you state we "must" use our longest club. Really? Must? I thought we "could" use our longest club (excluding the putter) but "could" use any club.
Paul thanks for the view we appreciate it! According to the rules of golf the definition for a club length is as follows: The length of the longest club of the 14 (or fewer) clubs you have during the round (as allowed by Rule 4.1b(1)), other than a putter. For example, if the longest club (other than a putter) you have during a round is a 43-inch (109.22 cm) driver, a club-length is 43 inches for you for that round. Technically you could use a shorter club excluding your putter as long as your ball comes to rest within the limits of the actual definition of a club length, but I advise using the longest club and utilizing the largest area possible. Additionally, this would allow you to be for sure your ball came to rest inside the relief area and avoid a possible accusation from another player of you playing outside the relief area. Hope this helps! Have a blessed day!
Thanks for the view and comment! Great question and unfortunately as I mention in the video if the bunker is completely flooded the only option you would have (other than playing as it lies) is to take a 1-stroke penalty and drop outside the bunker as mentioned. Unless the tournament committee allows a free drop per a local rule. Hope this helps thanks and have a blessed day!
@@girgolfllc My bad - you answered later in the video. I am playing in my first ever amateur tournament at 66. I have used your rules vids to bone up before I play. Very well done.
There is no requirement to use the driver (or longest club), but the measurement of a club-length is the length of the longest club, not including the putter). But as GIR Golf says, it's best to use the driver when measuring. That way you can be sure of the relief area you're allowed to drop in. If you use a shorter club, you have to be careful that you don't drop the ball, have the ball roll outside that shorter club, but within a driver club length, and then drop again because you think the ball is outside the relief area. That would result in a penalty.
Jim thanks cos this video shows us exactly what old age is gonna be like! God help us. You do realise that not everyone is cut out to be a golf teacher. Your voice is better suited to producing one of those “Jesus saves us” vids!
Charles thanks for watching the video! Yes standing water inside a bunker is considered an abnormal course condition. Because this rule involves a bunker, you can only take a free drop inside the bunker as shown in the video. Golf rule 16. Thanks and hope this helps!
Thanks Jim. This is a great video. I like that you demonstrate everything in great detail - makes interpreting the rule really clear. I enjoy your videos. For me it would be helpful if you signpost to the R&A rule number that applies too.
Thanks for the view and comment!
Hey Jim, you should link your feedback template in the description of the video. I see other channels do that all the time where they link the products they talk about in the video directly in the video description.
just clarify - on the backward extension - do i have to drop the ball on the line - example like taking a relief from unplayable lie. or reference point and i club length pie no rearer the hole
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Thanks for the view!!
When you took relief in the bunker, it still looked like you were standing in some water?
I noticed you walked all inside your trap drop area compressing the sand with your feet before you made the drop. Same thing outside the trap where you pressed down the grass with your feet. This is okay?
Thanks for the views. While doing the videos and explaining things as I took the drops plus going over several situations there are extra footprints. According to golf rule 8.1 you are correct that you are not allowed to intentionally improve your golf ball’s lie. In this circumstance everything was accidental and footprints don’t improve your lie in a bunker but actually hurt your lie anyways.
Maybe I heard it wrong but I think you said you need to use the longest club in your bag to measure your allowable drop area. I do not think this is true, you can use any club except a putter. I believe they excluded putters due to the excessive length of the long putters. So although most people will use a driver to give them a bigger drop area it is not necessary that you use it.
@@robertkennedy1737 according to the golf rules all relief areas are to be measured using your longest club in your bag excluding your putter and for most of us this will be your driver.
One can use a shorter club in the bag to measure with so long as the ball lands and stays in an area the size of your longest club in your bag except for your putter. In other words it is not required to putt tees down but it is a good idea to do so.
It is a good practice to use your longest club to measure and put tees down like shown in a serious competitive tournament to avoid a fellow competitor calling you out and claiming you dropped incorrectly.
What if the whole bunker is submerged in water? Can you take a free relief outside the bunker?
Pj thanks for watching our video! At the end of the video I went over if the bunker is completely flooded. Take a look at the end thanks!
Thank you! My bad I placed my question before watching until the end.
I thought it was a2 stroke penalty when you went outside the bunker?
Jamie thanks for watching the video and thanks for the question!
When standing water inside a bunker is the issue the backwards extension dropping outside the bunker is only a 1-stroke penalty. If you were to declare your ball unplayable inside a bunker then this option would be a 2 stroke penalty.
Standing water inside a bunker is classified as abnormal course conditions so the rule is different.
That Answers my question about what happens if you decide to drop outside the bunker, just because its so close to the face.
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At 5:09, you state we "must" use our longest club. Really? Must? I thought we "could" use our longest club (excluding the putter) but "could" use any club.
Paul thanks for the view we appreciate it! According to the rules of golf the definition for a club length is as follows:
The length of the longest club of the 14 (or fewer) clubs you have during the round (as allowed by Rule 4.1b(1)), other than a putter. For example, if the longest club (other than a putter) you have during a round is a 43-inch (109.22 cm) driver, a club-length is 43 inches for you for that round.
Technically you could use a shorter club excluding your putter as long as your ball comes to rest within the limits of the actual definition of a club length, but I advise using the longest club and utilizing the largest area possible. Additionally, this would allow you to be for sure your ball came to rest inside the relief area and avoid a possible accusation from another player of you playing outside the relief area.
Hope this helps! Have a blessed day!
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If the bunker is really full, can you ever drop outside the bunker?
Thanks for the view and comment!
Great question and unfortunately as I mention in the video if the bunker is completely flooded the only option you would have (other than playing as it lies) is to take a 1-stroke penalty and drop outside the bunker as mentioned. Unless the tournament committee allows a free drop per a local rule.
Hope this helps thanks and have a blessed day!
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My bad - you answered later in the video. I am playing in my first ever amateur tournament at 66. I have used your rules vids to bone up before I play. Very well done.
There is no requirement to use the driver (or longest club), but the measurement of a club-length is the length of the longest club, not including the putter). But as GIR Golf says, it's best to use the driver when measuring. That way you can be sure of the relief area you're allowed to drop in. If you use a shorter club, you have to be careful that you don't drop the ball, have the ball roll outside that shorter club, but within a driver club length, and then drop again because you think the ball is outside the relief area. That would result in a penalty.
There’s one option that was forgotten to be mentioned “ PLAY THE BALL AS IT LIES…..
Thanks for the view and comment! I will be sure to mention playing as it lies in future videos.
Jim thanks cos this video shows us exactly what old age is gonna be like! God help us. You do realise that not everyone is cut out to be a golf teacher. Your voice is better suited to producing one of those “Jesus saves us” vids!
Isnt this abnormal course conditions. Free drop without a penalty
Charles thanks for watching the video! Yes standing water inside a bunker is considered an abnormal course condition. Because this rule involves a bunker, you can only take a free drop inside the bunker as shown in the video. Golf rule 16. Thanks and hope this helps!
Play the game for joy and enjoyment. Move the ball to a playable place and play on.
Otherwise, OMG.