FINE. Elementary OS is pretty good. BUT...
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- Опубліковано 14 вер 2020
- I started using Elementary OS (again) on a few systems, and, here are my thoughts. My old review of Juno from 2 years ago can be found here : • Elementary 5.0 Juno Be...
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about a year or more ago when i was new to linux, i watched multiple videos to choose which distro to install, elementary looked beautiful so i went to its website to download it but it said purchase. At that time i thought it's not free so installed ubuntu instead xD.
Yes that is the problem right there
Its for support i dont see the problem.
@@skylinecyber3538 it's not hard to add a second button in their website which shows donation link.
@@AmanSinghYT Its obvious its open source how often do you click trial version and ignore the paid one.
@@skylinecyber3538 again, adding a button isn't that hard
All those “paid” apps you install for free will refuse to update unless you manually set each app to “Free” again EVERY TIME there’s an update available. The way they are doing things is just really annoying. I switched to Mint and got the same performance but better hardware support and a UI that’s much easier to customize. I gave up on eOS for now.
Like you, I was shopping for my first distro. I've tried about eight of them now I think. I knew right out of the box that I probably would go with Linux Mint, which I did. One of the big glaring problems that I found with Elementary OS was that I had to turn something off in my BIOS in order to have the program even load properly to try it out. I went on the forums to look for an answer and was very displeased to find that there were other people that had this problem that were really not properly addressed by anyone. This for something I'm going to pay for? Also, why was it not in any of the installation documentation stating that you needed to do this in your bios even to try the USB live stick? I have not had that problem with any of these other distros, except for the fact that Pop OS would never download properly for me. If this is something that is targeted for new Linux users, then those types of things need to be explained right out of the box.
The devs only want money.
The tactics on the website are so cringy and put me off trying it. I enjoyed listening to your points of view, thanks.
Tax Action Thanks! 👍
While I understand that to some extent its their tactics in the App Gallery what bothers me the most. Do they employ that tactic for all apps or only those that are developed by them?
Really enjoyed this video. It's good to have you back.
Thanks 😎👍
7:40 this is major break. I wish just one linux distro makes this basic things right. I don't need any other extra nonsense preinstalled, or over modern UI :(
i have ran kde4 on a old acer netbook with celeron processor with 2GB ram.
to my suprice it ran nicely if you dont open too much at the same time
Great video. Thank you for putting it out.
Thank you!
100% agree. I tried installing elementary os as my first distro a while ago, but the prices listed everywhere really spooked me.
I hopped onto ubuntu for a while but as I got more comfortable, snaps started pissing me off more and more. I am since using debian and couldn't have been happier. I really do enjoy the stability debian offers rather than rolling release of arch and manjaro.
Ps. Whats the outro song name, its catchy 😁
The song is called Descent by Daxten :)
@@Doriandotslash thanks man!
I subbed because of your "things to do after installing linux" video.
I didnt have an issue booting into my distro, but I did notice a 20% battery life improvement after setting the ascpi to windows 2009 in grub.
@@JanHDD Nice! Glad to hear you're still watching :) Cheers!
Regarding your problem when connecting a monitor at 7:50 . Can you hold "Alt" and then drag the window up with the mouse so as to see the bottom of it an hit "apply"? (When holding "alt" you can grab the window by anywhere you want, not necessarily by the top bar).
I tried that and it still doesn’t go higher than the top of the screen no matter what.
It's the Win key, not Alt. Alt is on most other Linux desktops.
I think you are missing the entire point of this project, the point is to build a open source market place that enables developers to monetize their open source apps. That is the core of the project so I believe they are doing a great job,
Oh no, I entirely get the point. I just think they’re doing it wrong and intentionally obfuscating the ability to get these things for free.
7:48 as a workaround, you can drag the windows by Win+LMB. This way you can open move it way up and show the "Apply" button.
The elementary OS people have written about the payment system and why it is like that and also about why there are so few configuration options.
For me the window buttons placement takes a couple of days to get used to. I also specifically decided not to install and play with Tweaks at least initially. After a week or so I didn't to change anything and I am still using the defaults. Well, except for the background :) I love the defaults but I also love to change them periodically.
What I'm saying is, if you really wanna try a new desktop or OS (not just Pantheon), give it a real chance. Force yourself to use it exclusively and without any modifications for a week and see if all those annoyances are as terrible as you first thought.
It doesn't make sense to have 2 buttons, one on each side of the screen. Either have both on the right, as in Ubuntu and Windows, or in the left, as in OS X. Having both is just weird and less effective.
I would like to be able to run pantheon on an arch based distro, tried it once and it was a mess. Looking forward to seeing someone more knowledgable than me working out the bugs and enabling the environment to run as flawless on Arch as it does on Elementary OS.
All your applications are up in here, up in here. Ya'll gonna make me code all out.
lol
Never been a fan it feels so incomplete
Elementary is quite an amazing distroi, I like using it. Pantheon is beautiful, usable and it manages this at a very small memory footprint, that's great.I also really like the appstore with it's pay-if/what-you-want model. I wish they'd get rid of the problems. You mentioned some, this is my take: It's unbelievable that eOS still doesn't ship with a full-featured browser. Web is fine for a quick look at a website, but really, most people need Firefox or some flavor of Chromium. - eOS tries tro be an out-of-the-box experience, but doesn't ship an office suite. I can't get my head around that. Plus, if you install LibreOffice from the appstore, the theme is all borked up. I had to download the DEBs from the LibreOffice website. / the decision to get rid of the minimize button and have all (elementary) apps open where you closed them is interesting, but in my opinion ultimately flawed. First, it only works with apps designed for elementary, second, I want a file manager to start in my home directory, not in the directory of a now unplugged USB drive, which prompts an error. / Pantheon looks great by default, but offers little to no customization. That's strange in the Linux world. - Summing up, I still ove eOS, but I really wish they'd work on these issues.
ThePressurizer thanks for the comment!
This is laudable, but does it make sense if you want to offer an out-of-the-box experience for users who don't want to fiddle much with their system? With Chromium and LibreOffice it would be pretty much full-featured, so is that a sacrifice you should make just to save a few hundred MB?
@@advitiyan Hmmm, good point. But doesn't that mean that you have to download an office suite anyway? I suspect tha most people need some kind of office solution.
My biggest issue,
No analogue for gnome overview search or krunner.
I don't really want to have to install something like Albert or synapse.
Also i prefer gnome's way if doing workspaces
this bug with hdmi seems to be very frustating, i think you can create a bash file that execute those 2 commands and a launcher to access it throught the menu. I always wanted to use elementary as my main desktop os but in the last 3 lastest versions, just like you, i got troubled about some design decisions of them or annoying bugs like that one
You can put the `xrand` in autostart to fix you preferred DPI
This is true, but I shouldn’t have to do that. Also, it won’t help because once I unplug the HDMI and plug it back in, I have to do the xrandr thing again...
How do you think it is for someone with no computer knowledge outside of basic windows literacy? I'm looking for an OS that I could propose to my SO fed up with win10 but where she can still have a minimum of autonomy
It would be fine. But if I were to recommend a new distro for a first time Linux user coming from Windows it would be Linux Mint.
To buy a open source product is perfectly fine. You can still build it yourself from the source code.
Look at RedHat and what their doing. They are selling an open source OS.
As long as the source code stays available for free, nothing is wrong with that.
RedHat does not sell an OS, they sell the support for the OS.
this ^
Redhat sells their support for a more stable version of Fedora, if you are a business and rely on your servers and computers to work 24/7 as expected buying the support is a life saver, but you don’t have to if you don’t want to, in fact you can download RHEL for free
I like Debian. I'll stay with it. After 30+ years of messing around with various flavors of Unix, Fite-O-Net, Then OpenBSD. Then Linux starting with Red Hat. I find Debian to be the most stable, Ubuntu is my second choice. Main performance bottleneck is as always the Nvidia compatible video drivers. Nuff said. This will stop being fun when it gets ubiquitous like WinX and MacOS.
I installed an AMD graphics card in my production machine recently. No drivers needed, nothing proprietary, just works and works VERY well, even with games on high settings! I won't buy Nvidia again. And also, yes, Debian is fantastic!
I've noticed that my desktop gets flipped 180 degrees (upside down) and fixed did this?
That’s really odd. You should hit up their forums for support there.
Its probably the most polished and most stable distro out there. I have been trying a lot of distros coming from Windows, and only eos felt to me like solid product which I could actualy pay for... but there have been few issues I couldnt figure out.
First off, I couldnt figure out file sharing. I just couldnt make it work so I would be able to access my files from android device.
And secondly, it wasnt so easy to make it support writing in japanese. I mean, I did found a way on reddit, but this is something that should be supported out of the box... and it actualy is, If you install this os in japanese, you can write in japanese however you want using Mozc, but if you install it in non japanese language, Mozc is not installed, so you have to find other ways to make it work, because iBus is useless. Its a minor issue for others, but big one for me. On the other hand, I dont see an issue with that price tag when you can easily opt out from it.
Yeah there's a few things that bug me too much to not switch. Especially that video issue which doesn't happen in ANY other distro I've tried... Also, it won't connect to either of my network printers. Kind of annoying.
@DorianDotSlash Regarding the window resizing issue, drag the window down from the top a bit (the bottom will be hidden more), then move your cursor over the top edge of the app window until the resize cursor appears. Drag down and then move the window back up and you will see the bottom.
Doesn't work with the display settings window. It doesn't get any smaller than what's shown in the video, it can only go larger.
@@Doriandotslash What a bummer! Guess if you're changing displays or res a lot, that could be frustrating. There's a kernel updates app on flathub - or the native app store if you've used flathub previously - and system is running stable with 5.8. Keep the vids coming!
You can disable your external SATA ports on your BIOS to shorten POST time. You don't use any ports there.
Thank you very much for the video.
I thought all the Linux nerds called the apps as "clients."
I have never tried Elementary OS. I keep saying that I am going to install it on hardware and give it a real try.
I have mostly used rpm distros for 4 years, and currently living in the developmental version of Fedora Gnome, so I have a lot of the latest version of things like mesa, systemd.
I have had mixed results with flatpaks. They seem to be slower. I can't print from them for some reason.
I am curious to see how much would it take for me to set up an Elementary OS install, to where I am happy with it versus the hair-pulling effort of Fedora.
Speaking of Debian, my other computer is a ACER Chromebase All-in-One. ( not a Chromebook ). I love it. It is so easy to run the Linux container which is Debian 10. But at the present time,
it is my back-up device and is sort of collecting dust due to my lack of free time to do computering.
I installed the os on a i7-8700, on a ssd, with a 1080ti gtx. The Os boots fast. But once i'm in the OS, it feels heavy, slow, unfinished for me. My windows is running super smooth, and it makes me hesitate to go full linux with elementary os.
Am I the only one here that actually uses and loves elementary OS?
I've been using elementary for almost a year from a Windows switch... haven't looked back.
Yes you only 🤣
Not only. Very nice distro
Lol. You and Nick from The Linux Experiment
I also love Elementary.
btw I use single click;) Does it come with the dark theme they were working on yet? Or do you still need the tweak tool to enable it?
The only option I see is in Tweaks.
@@Doriandotslash It's taking them a long time to finish it. Is the tweak tool still removed with each new version like it was before?
There's no tweak tool installed by default. You need to add a PPA and install it if you want it. I personally think it should be included in the eos repos, but I think that the devs don't like giving people the option of changing things.
@@Doriandotslash Biggest downside of the OS. It should be user choice, but on the other hand that's what you can expect if you go with Elementary.
Manu Bhat I just found that you had to close and reopen the programs before they changed. They don’t change as soon as you switch it.
Also one tip from me... you can drag the window from anywhere if you hold super key and left mouse button. Similarly you can resize it from anywhere with right mouse button.
I tried many things. It doesn’t go smaller than that, and it won’t allow the window to go higher than the top of the screen. In any case, this shouldn’t be happening.
@@Doriandotslash No, I wasnt talking about that "off screen issue" I just wanted to mention this feature, so you dont need to aim with mouse on titlebar and drag the window. You can just point anywhere if you hold super and you will drag entire window.
Yes I’m aware of that trick. I’m just a mouse person
I think Mint is the one that good enough.FInally i turn to Mint from FeeBSD,according to the better bluetooth and sound experiment(actually bluetooth in FreeBSD not work at all:)
Mint is also great. I’ve been playing with that as well. Mostly Debian edition (LMDE).
@@Doriandotslash I am so happy with Mint.
I always see Nick from The Linux Experiment use elementary and it looks wonderful and has great apps and all but honestly I have the same criticisms as you have. And I'd rather use a customizable desktop environment or window manager (although admittedly my current Plasma setup is very macOS-like as well) on top of a less locked down distro.
That said, I think most new users, especially those coming from mac, would LOVE a friendly and (mostly) well polished distribution like this so I'm glad it exists.
Well said!
thanks for the detailed overview and sharing your experience. I still don't like EOS, or any ubuntu/debian derivative other than MX. Too much focus on eye-candy and majority of apps installed, i dont use coz there are better (and more lightweight) the pre-installed apps. Good indeed for new users
I like that Debian gives you the basics. I do however also like Mint, and specifically Mint Debian Edition (LMDE).
Does a fingerprintscanner works?
The only reason I no longer use Linux is because the editing software I use is only available is either on windows or Mac. So I now use Mac. But I really enjoy using this distro. And it is very stable and clean. I guess this is my favorite Linux. I was a new Linux user at the time.
Does it work through Wine or Valve's Proton?
Be honest, would you have purchased a copy if they didn't push for it?
I started considering accepting the Ubuntu base just because of it.
When I'm sad i watch such videos just because it's so beautiful. I used it for few days few times.
To drag the window, you just press the super key + click anywhere on the window. You don't have to point it to the top bar.
Even that way won't let me bring the window higher than the top of the screen. Already tried it.
@@Doriandotslash yes, it does. I'm writing right now with the FF windows moved half of it above the top
Cristian Molina Tried it again. Works fine normally, but not when the screens are mirrors and the resolution goes wonky. I’m guessing something in the compositor is failing
8:38 is this already fixed? Or do we still have this annoying bug?
Did they fix display problem?
No
The thing that drove me away from elementary is the devs' arrogance. They don't ever listen to their users. They always and solely do things their way even thought 99% of their users don't like them. That "no minimize button" battle was going on for a long time on reddit and they still didn't listen. I have kde neon installed now and it is more than enough for me.
You can get the minimize button by elementary tweaks though. And also no minimize was to Target certain audience if u don't like that u can get the minimize buttons using tweaks similar to gnome tweaks
With the AppCenter, you aren't donating to developers; you are paying for the app. You aren't helping them out, you are paying for a product. It isn't designed to hide the fact that you can pay nothing, it is designed to to put money into the pockets of developers who have put their time and effort into creating something. The price you see is what is called the 'recommended price', but you can pay more or less than that if you'd like. And of course the elementary team themselves also need to be paid for their work. The team is tiny, and it is also a full-time job. They would prefer that you pay for the product, which is why the website presents the download option in the way that it does.
Ross McLean And do the app devs send some of that donated money to upstream packages they use for their apps? And for the OS ISO price, does Elementary send some of that money to Ubuntu and Debian since the majority of the OS is based on those?
Developers who benefit from using certain toolkits or technologies don't have to send money to them in repayment. If you make a .NET app using Visual Studio and you make money on it, you don't have to send a percentage to Microsoft. Besides, Canonical are a sustainable company; elementary is basically Cassidy and Daniel, with one or two full-time devs otherwise involved. It's their job, shouldn't they be paid to do it?
Its kind of donation tho. But i dont think it's a bad thing. They need payment for their effort. It looks like a shady thing ,but it's not at all. And the app center has the free option in the drop down anyway. Only problem imo ,there should be a toggle to change everything to free ,or at least while updating, of i select something to be free once , it should stay free unless i choose else otherwise.
you should see the lead maintainer's thing about the app store and "prices" .
I'm interested in finding out his opinion. Have you got a link? Thanks in advance.
I googled it. I'm just reading about his opinions now. He seems anti FOSS.
@@79chrisuk the app store I'm talking about is his app store. It has a "pay what you want even free model" in the software store. in many interviews, he's talked about why they chose to do that. It's not anything crazy, it's just him thinking that such an easy way to support devs at "purchase" time, would be attractive to end users and devs. AFAIK Elementary is the only GUI based distro with such a feature in their app store, so in a way he's trying a model we haven't seen on the Linux side yet. My gut instinct says he's on to something. I could see this be a thing in Gnome and Plasma too.
Your 2012 machine works great because thats when that dock gui on the bottom was created, you can add that dock to any distro.....I see joogles android tentacles creeping into the FOSS model
Mel Gibson Yeah Plank is pretty old. But the compositor works very smooth on an older machine.
Honestly the paying option really makes a lot of people feel guilty including me so i never downloaded it
that seems a very emotional decision. I've used elementary for some years now, and the pratical result of that tactic is that you end up choosing to pay more often; do notice choosing. There are a bunch of apps I've installed for free, and eventually ended up paying for out of choice (reminded choice one may say), elementary itself beeing one of those. Besides that it is a linux distro like any other, just more beautiful.
That stinks on ice, and it's one reason I won't even touch it.
I donate to my distro of choice a few times a year, but they've never tried to put a guilt trip on me to send money. The developer asks people to donate from time to time, and there is a link to do that, but all of the downloads are on a public FTP and you can get anything you want.
I send him the money because he let me try it no questions asked and it's a good product. If I wanted to use something where they wanted me to pay up front, I'd just use Windows.
John Cate The elementary team themselves did nothing to make him feel that way - that was purely his reaction, and I don’t think the team in general should be judged over HIS reaction to that price selector - but I DO agree, the design is garbage and it should be more clear that you can get it for free
Why do you mirror your external screen instead of just doing a monitor extend. I always do extend for me and everyone at work that you get more monitor real estate. I'm not an Elementary OS fan. Too many things I don't like about it and too restrictive for me. I'd rather use i3wm, Gnome, or Mint.
I still enjoyed your video on your thoughts and experience. Liked
Thanks! I’m glad you enjoyed it! I mirror it just because I have 2 computers and 3 monitors on my desk already. So I just plug in my laptop on the side and use a keyboard and mouse. It works fine when extended, but it should be able to mirror. All other distros I’ve tried mirror just fine including any other Debian and Ubuntu based ones.
Yay check out new meterial shell for gnome
Where
@@sonulohani material-shell.com/
I've tried it on 2 systems and the extension doesn't load...
If a window is bigger than your screen and you cannot hit the apply button,
you can drag the the window arround with "Windows/Super/Mod4 -key + left mouse button" till you see it.
You will almost get a preview of elementaryos odin, if you install xubuntu focal fossa and:
sudo add-apt-repository ppa://elementary-os/daily
sudo add-apt-repository ppa://elementary-os/os-patches
sudo apt install elementary-os-prerelease
(though the appcenter will not be connected to the elementary-specific-app-repositories)
fossbytes.com/geckolinux-revives-budgie-edition-and-adds-new-pantheon-desktop/
Yes I tried that but it won't let the window go higher than the top of the sceen.
I was today years old when I got to know that I could download Elementary OS for free by putting a zero there on the website. Thanks bud
I feel Manjaro and Mint are better for most new users than Elementary.
That deopends.
The eOS developers are the only ones who have done actual public usability testing as a mean to make design decisions. And if you watch their videos on usability, it is obvious they are very serious about usability. Meaning, they actually know something about it. I did actually ditch eOS back in time, because they went off the usability path and made a sort of "vista version" of eOS. Extremely slow and they took away good usability features. But it does look like they have bettered themselves and gotten back on the right track. The new version of eOS looks fantastic, and it seems they have reimplemented the usability features they removed back then. So I am thinking of going back to eOS. IF the new version is also speedy like Luna was.
@@chomo54andbabyaisha97 Interesting to hear another voice on the topic. For me I found eOS incredibly hard to use, maybe since I'm more used to GNOME than Pantheon.
@@moth5799 I do agree that using eOS is in comparison to use MacOS, so if you're used to windows, the standard distro is (I think) linux mint mate. My problem with that is, that they do not have the same strict strategy on consistency through programs as eOS has, and I like that all my programs look the same in design. But... I also think eOS has more in comparison with MacOS than that, because about both you can say either you love it or you hate it. That's just how it seems to be.
I will say though, that the *_speed_* of eOS Luna (which was my first eOS distro way back in time) completely sold me over linux mint. That's why I think if they can achieve that same speed, they will actually move some people from mint to eOS.
@@chomo54andbabyaisha97 I'm not used to Windows either, I've grown up with Debian and Ubuntu, and recently switched to Arch, I find using a tiling window manager a lot more intuitive than a desktop environment personally. Also I agree with the speed part, one of the major reasons I switched to a window manager was the speed compared to DEs.
@@moth5799 Oh... the tiling windows has been a suggestion for eOS very early on. It was left for reasons I do not remember, I think it was because it would be lots of hard work as much of it would have to be done in the window manager, not in the CSS for example which would have been a lot easier. But notice, at that same time they also were playing with multiple gestures, and that has been implemented in the new version, now around 3 versions later. So maybe tiling will also come.
But I do agree, until then when tiling is a must, then eOS is probably not really the right choice.
It's not just the coding, btw, there are also usability decisions to be made when you shift from the eOS window strategy to a tiling one. And eOS development doesn't have a reputation of being exactly fast, hence their "we ship when we are ready" motto
Not my thing, I just really don't like Pantheon, the desktop environment.
It’s ok, it just has odd defaults, and they don’t give you tools to change them.
@@Doriandotslash I think you hit the nail right on the head. They appear to be a bit unresponsive. If somebody wanted something super super light and they didn't care about customization, I would even think Zoren or XFCE or Mate would be better.
Once i did upgrade in elementary os, it had terminal application listed in upgrade. While upgrading os in between the terminal closed and when i restarted my operating system broke. Since then i never used elementary os.
Yikes. That definitely should not happen!
You can add the custom price to be 0. So it can be free. Also their “app store” does allow you to pay for the apps (if you want). No thing with charging some bucks for your work. If it helps keeping the project alive.
Yes I know that, but it's not obvious which is the problem. There are others commenting on this video that have also thought the same thing. They need to make it obvious so that it doesn't look like a cash grab.
@@Doriandotslash the top price for it is just 30 bucks. It's as low as 10. I can califity as a "cold cash grab", as it is just another linux distro, just pick another one if you only want 100% free stuff. There are more distros out there than u could ever try (preactically speaking). But this also points to a bigger isssue, which is the "cheapification" of digital goods, most people would never try a good app on their phones if it is $3 bucks (oh, good, the horror), or download a mobile game that is 10 bucks and has no micro transacions or adds. But that's a total different issue.
Ricardo Fabila I do use other distros which do not ask for money, and I do not use Elementary as my regular distro. I did however pay for my download of Elementary OS, and I purchased a couple of apps. My issue is not with paying, because I did, my issue is with obfuscating the ability to get these things for free, for the sake of other new users.
@@ricardogamer2 some people don't have 10 dollars to spend on some stupid app. Ever thought that there are people outside of the United States of America? Currency exchanges are tough, man.
I'm facing exactly the same issues
I don't think they are doing anything unethical. I fully support whatever they are doing
This is all just my opinion. But I just feel they should make it more obvious that you don’t have to pay instead of obfuscating it by typing 0 being the only way. Why not just put a $0 button?
@@Doriandotslash its actually for people to pay instead of blindly clicking the install option. They can consciously make a decision to pay 0 or any amount. If you make a normal button with just install people will press it without even noticing the donate button. In this case atleast people can make a choice
FOSS-Lover I think it’s especially important on the main page to have a $0 option. Now the options are $10, $20, $30, $Custom. Just add $0 there, because you wouldn’t think that it would let you put a zero in the custom box,
Never use the word great in a sentence that also has a gt 210
Make the resolution fix run on bootup? I know it's a cliche, but "elementary my dear Watson?"
Yes of course it’s an easy patch, but that’s a bandaid solution. You shouldn’t have to do this. Especially since I’ve never had that issue with any other distro.
@@Doriandotslash I see your point.
We told youuuu
Elementary is great, when u make NOT shitty macOS lookalike.
I don't agree with you at all regarding paying for the OS and the apps. They have their own rights to choose what is the best for the project.
And they are not forcing you to pay for it, I think it is very positive because most of Linux users and people switching to Linux believe that everything in Linux must be free, because it is Open source and "everything is free as Freedom", developers must earn something because they are working on it not as a hobby, living of donations, this is what encourage them for building better things to make an ecosystem, because Linux clearly doesn't have one.
Vanilla GNOME has better UX.
for some reason elementaryOS is more resource consuming than Gnome40 and at that point I take gnome all the way
The last time I looked at Elementary OS I had many of the same problems and grievances you mention. I will stick with my original verdict: Elementary is about as appealing as a used kitty litter. :-)
lol wow, geez that made me actually laugh out loud! :)
I'll stick to Mac and get apple silicon when this one reaches end of life, so much less hassle.
If you want the look without all the BS... Ubuntu MATE, simply switch to "Pantheon" look in the optons, and you get the same Elementary OS look.
I see no greatness there TBH. An unholy mess of useless bells and whistles, manipulation tactics and bugs.
It's out dated. The so called "improvements" are from piggybacking of Ubuntu. The os is good for children. Only till recently did the repos get updated. But it's not like it was stale by being old like debian. Hd plenty of issues with support. This Des is dead, unless they give the rights to a big player... They no longer are.
Just not a fan of the Mac look
I only like the Mac look on an actual Mac using the real MacOS ;)
Same here. I'd rather have a nicely themed XFCE distro, like MX, than a Mac look-alike.
I dont like dock
Not good, a distro based on Ubuntu, where you are encouraged to pay for stuff!
Its actually good. The developers can actually make a living. Free is for freedom. There are companies that give enterprise support on linux and is good
I don’t mind that there an option to pay. I just think they shouldn’t obfuscate the ability to not pay if you wish.
So you don't value other people's time in order to pay for their work? Good luck always going for free/cheap services. You're either the product or paying for low budget crap most of the time. If you want quality and like the benefits of open-source, either pay up, or don't complain about stale projects.
@@Doriandotslash you can request this to the developers of elementary instead of simply criticising it on UA-cam for views.
FOSS-Lover People post opinions on UA-cam. That’s one of the things people use UA-cam for and one of the reasons it exists. Besides, things such as window buttons have already been brought up to the devs and ignored, a long time ago.
If I wanted a locked down operating system I can't do anything with I'd run Windows. Currated apps first because much like Microsoft, Elementary developers think they know what is best for you and make decisions for you. This distro is no better or different then Windows. People need to stop defending it and start making the developers change their attitude or shut down the distro. Period. That's it. Not a discussion so don't bother.