Autistic people (including Asperger's) show more emotion than most people. Always throwing temper tantrums and arguing/ being defensive over the smallest things. If anything, they're more like Vulcans *before* they repressed their emotions. Drama queens.
@@whocares_bear Yes, and in one of the Kelvin timeline movies, Sarek tells Spock that emotions run deep within the Vulcan race, so it's not they are simply "without emotions". They just use a particular discipline allowing them to control and, in some cases, even purge their emotions altogether (the latter being referred to as Kolinahr), which I've always thought sounds like a mixture between Stoicism and Zen Buddhism.
"How do you feel?" "The tactile sensations travel from its point of origin to my brain along my nervous system and create what is called 'feel'." "Correct!"
this scene brilliantly depicts the vulcan ability to undertake several tasks simultaneously, with greater precision and efficiency than a human mind could; similar to how Data undertook tasks rapidly using computers. I always thought the show tended to underplay these moments, and also that in many instances they didn't take into account the processing capabilities of these characters.
In the two part TNG episode Unification Spock did mention that Data was all that Vulcan´s aspire to be, someone ruled by pure logic without emotions to cloud their judgement. The interesting thing here (i think) was that Data remarked that by aspiring to be that, the Vulcan´s discarded what Data had used all of his life up to this point searching for, humanity and feelings.
But Spock, because of his hybrid brain, was actually smarter than any other Vulcan scientist. This test is kindergarten compared to the riddle of the whale probe. No scientist on Vulcan and no Federation or Vulcan AI could figure out how to answer the probe. Sarek says the probe is baffling. Spock figured it out in two minutes! Notice what Sarek said about the whale probe: "We don't understand the question." The same thing Spock said when he was taking the Vulcan test! But Spock did understand the question that Sarek did not understand. In the most dazzling display of brain power, Spock's hybrid intellect skipped over the false assumption that the probe was trying to communicate with the highest order species on Earth. He also deduced that the probe needed to be reprocessed to account for the medium of seawater. Spock called it "human arrogance" but Vulcan scientists were making the same mistake. ua-cam.com/video/kkbHi2eT5_U/v-deo.html
Indeed. Made moreso by the fact that even for a Vulcan, this is an answerable question. They're supposed to suppress and deny their feelings but they still have them. Spock's reason for balking at this question is cultural, not intellectual. The computer knows THAT too. he's perfectly capable of giving the question an honest answer. He simply refuses to.
The Gadolinium question is more interesting because its electron configuration results in the curie temperature of the element being at room temperature
This is half the pace of my thought process whilst having an anxiety attack at the local supermarket. Not good not good at all, i need a vulcan chill pill.
RIGHT?!! Like, what a guy! He's definitely kept himself busy over the years, and imho, is one of the most underappreciated contributors to sci-fi in tv media out there.
Feeling is an encrypted digital signal that is filtered through atmospheric wave modulations of electricity that exists only in a fragment of energy. Correct. Yes the question is irrelevant. As the computer has no way of assessing whether the answer is correct or not or detect the correct energy signature.
Been a Jeopardy fan since 1984 and the questions and responses nowadays seem almost this fast. You don't see unrevealed clues left on the board at the end of the round because the clock ran out with Ken hosting like you did with Alex.
If the computer screens spock is using are see-through, then shouldn't the text on the screen be reversed (mirror image) when we look at spock through the screen?
These are high-tech 23rd century screens which display the text properly for Spock as well as anyone who might be sitting on the other side of the display. 😉
@@CharlesP2009 Thank you very much for responding. Honestly, in my opinion, the scene is incomplete without the conversation that follows between Spock and his mother in which she explains the rationale for the computer's question.
@@CharlesP2009I like this cut, because it introduces the viewer (first-time viewers in the theater, and viewers post-TNG who haven't seen a 'paragon' Vulcan like Sarek or Spock before, only more 'rank-and-file' types) To Spock as a character first, not primarily a plot actor, and sets the stage for him to 'spar' intellectually with his mother regarding his humanity, which he has largely suppressed and neglected. There are other uploads of the full scene (which I think only people viewing the whole movie deserve to watch).
"How do you feel?" "Two or more characters I wish to become romantically involved appear in a scene demonstrating the intentions of at least one of said characters to do the same. This results in a stimulation of my Tumblr cortex, generating feels."
Henry Birtcher that is a highly illogical assumption...computers have no use for steroids...however, it may be overclocking for optimal speed...it will probably void it's 2 year limited warranty.
I think they were using it to make fun of how some theorems in math sound like blatant common sense. For example, when people ask me what the Squeeze Theorem is, I tell them "Basically if you have two functions, and there's a third one that's between them, it's always .. between ... the .. two" and try not to look any more like an idiot than I just did.
Well, yes, the statement was no doubt chosen for its axiomatic, (and therefore slightly humorous) nature, but am sure that whoever wrote the line into the film was familiar with the book 'A Course in Miracles' which includes that very statement word for word in its introduction. Here is the full introduction to A Course in Miracles: This is a course in miracles. It is a required course. Only the time you take it is voluntary. Free will does not mean that you can establish the curriculum. It means only that you can elect what you want to take at a given time. The course does not aim at teaching the meaning of love, for that is beyond what can be taught. It does aim, however, at removing the blocks to the awareness of love’s presence, which is your natural inheritance. The opposite of love is fear, but what is all-encompassing can have no opposite. This course can therefore be summed up very simply in this way: Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God.
But...the most important question, the one the computer did not ask...because if it had, it would have spoiled the next movie and blown the STV's final boss's mind! *What does God need with a starship?*
Nothing Unreal exists - Metaphysics is MAGIC . Brilliant just brilliant . The first law of a NON-EXISTANT pseudo-science proves it . Metaphysics is this disporved by its OWN first law . Brilliant .
...No... If I can concieve of something in my mind, then it exists on that count alone, not as an external immutability, but as an internal mutable fact about my own thinking. It may be unreal to science, but not unreal to me. "I'll take 'Ten-Second Philosophy' for $1200, Ken."
@@HuntingTarg - LOL I have a 3 years old daughter we named her K'Ehleyr ... She is awesome and just adores Targs :) Be blessed my friend and Glory to the Empire .
Spock's father was illogical. The Klingon conditions for peace were made perfectly clear. His mother is no help. Poor Spock. Capt. Kirk has a starship and he doesn't. Spock is not a plebe so it must be very hard for him. Its Amanda's fault.
It's not like Vulcans don't _have_ emotions, and can't be occasionally swayed by the stronger ones. In every depiction of Sarek, it's been made clear he loves both his wife and his son deeply, even if he has an awfully hard time showing it sometimes.
i like how they used a tos constiuion class in the test and then computer asks a quetuion about 1987 when this finished in production lol. man Vulcan homes sure are stone age like cold and depressing i thought vulcans were more advanced then this lol no couches with soft cusions? hes using camadoor amiga computers lol i know thoes graphics anywhere with the ball with the chest peaces on it lol
One of my favorite all time Star Trek scenes ever.
No action, just all character.
As someone who has autism, and struggles greatly with showing and understanding my emotions, I really connect with this moment.
dude, my wife calls me Spock. at this point it's a meme in our relationship ;D
Autistic people (including Asperger's) show more emotion than most people. Always throwing temper tantrums and arguing/ being defensive over the smallest things. If anything, they're more like Vulcans *before* they repressed their emotions. Drama queens.
Anger, irritability and violent temper tantrums count as emotions too. It's not all just crying, laughter and joy.
@@whocares_bear you're garbage.
@@whocares_bear Yes, and in one of the Kelvin timeline movies, Sarek tells Spock that emotions run deep within the Vulcan race, so it's not they are simply "without emotions". They just use a particular discipline allowing them to control and, in some cases, even purge their emotions altogether (the latter being referred to as Kolinahr), which I've always thought sounds like a mixture between Stoicism and Zen Buddhism.
Computer: How do you feel?
Spock: (thinks)...With my hands, mostly.
Computer: (processes answer) Answer acceptable.
Spock: *raises eyebrow*
One of the biggest cheers I even heard in a movie theater was when Spock's mother appeared.
I bet people were surprised the actress was still alive. She played his mother at least 20 years earlier and wasn't young even then.
Spock's reaction to that question is priceless.
"How do you feel?" "The tactile sensations travel from its point of origin to my brain along my nervous system and create what is called 'feel'." "Correct!"
NAILED IT!
But not complete, feel covers both tactile sensation and emotional response
this scene brilliantly depicts the vulcan ability to undertake several tasks simultaneously, with greater precision and efficiency than a human mind could; similar to how Data undertook tasks rapidly using computers. I always thought the show tended to underplay these moments, and also that in many instances they didn't take into account the processing capabilities of these characters.
In the two part TNG episode Unification Spock did mention that Data was all that Vulcan´s aspire to be, someone ruled by pure logic without emotions to cloud their judgement.
The interesting thing here (i think) was that Data remarked that by aspiring to be that, the Vulcan´s discarded what Data had used all of his life up to this point searching for, humanity and feelings.
But Spock, because of his hybrid brain, was actually smarter than any other Vulcan scientist. This test is kindergarten compared to the riddle of the whale probe. No scientist on Vulcan and no Federation or Vulcan AI could figure out how to answer the probe. Sarek says the probe is baffling. Spock figured it out in two minutes!
Notice what Sarek said about the whale probe: "We don't understand the question." The same thing Spock said when he was taking the Vulcan test! But Spock did understand the question that Sarek did not understand.
In the most dazzling display of brain power, Spock's hybrid intellect skipped over the false assumption that the probe was trying to communicate with the highest order species on Earth. He also deduced that the probe needed to be reprocessed to account for the medium of seawater. Spock called it "human arrogance" but Vulcan scientists were making the same mistake.
ua-cam.com/video/kkbHi2eT5_U/v-deo.html
I say this to my wife after a procedure. Makes her laugh.
Thanks a ton for transcribing the whole thing.
I love how they put the location for the video in here.
Spock would rake up considerable money on 'The Chase'
"CORRECT"
Computer: "How do you feel?"
Spock: "I am well."
Computer: *Processes answer*
Answer acceptable.
Spock: *Raises eyebrow*
I feel like so much gets communicated in this scene. Is there any better way to show us what Spock is, fundamentally, as a character?
Indeed. Made moreso by the fact that even for a Vulcan, this is an answerable question. They're supposed to suppress and deny their feelings but they still have them. Spock's reason for balking at this question is cultural, not intellectual. The computer knows THAT too. he's perfectly capable of giving the question an honest answer. He simply refuses to.
The Gadolinium question is more interesting because its electron configuration results in the curie temperature of the element being at room temperature
I am sad that after 10 months the intersection of Star Trek and chemistry/physics nerds haven't found this and commented or upvoted
This is half the pace of my thought process whilst having an anxiety attack at the local supermarket. Not good not good at all, i need a vulcan chill pill.
The best scene in the movie
"My biological systems are functioning within the normal parameters."
"CORRECT"
I just learned a moment ago whose voice that is as the computer. I don't wanna spoil it here. But that's awesome. Dang. Busy person!
RIGHT?!! Like, what a guy! He's definitely kept himself busy over the years, and imho, is one of the most underappreciated contributors to sci-fi in tv media out there.
0:35 Enterprise before refit.😪😭
What were the principle historical events on Planet Earth in 1987 thouhg?
"Star Trek The Voyage Home" was released on VHS.
Was wonderful seeing "Amanda" in this scene
She was good on the show too.
Her: "How come you never ask how I'm feeling?"
Me:
spock was so close to passing the test ffs
"How do you feel?"
Wakko: "With my hands."
Profile pic checks out 🤣
Feeling is an encrypted digital signal that is filtered through atmospheric wave modulations of electricity that exists only in a fragment of energy. Correct. Yes the question is irrelevant. As the computer has no way of assessing whether the answer is correct or not or detect the correct energy signature.
Been a Jeopardy fan since 1984 and the questions and responses nowadays seem almost this fast. You don't see unrevealed clues left on the board at the end of the round because the clock ran out with Ken hosting like you did with Alex.
``I feeeeel like makin' love!''
The font looks like Commodore Amiga
If the computer screens spock is using are see-through, then shouldn't the text on the screen be reversed (mirror image) when we look at spock through the screen?
These are high-tech 23rd century screens which display the text properly for Spock as well as anyone who might be sitting on the other side of the display. 😉
Is the keyboard they used based on something real? If so, what is it based on?
Wouldn't Spock's logical mind said "with my hands"?
He'd do good on who wants to be a millionaire.
Way to cut off the scene right at the most important moment.
I have to admit I posted just for Spock's intense GED computer course and not for the discussion of his humanity. Maybe I should post a Part II?
@@CharlesP2009 Thank you very much for responding. Honestly, in my opinion, the scene is incomplete without the conversation that follows between Spock and his mother in which she explains the rationale for the computer's question.
@@robertholtz "CORRECT"
@@CharlesP2009I like this cut, because it introduces the viewer (first-time viewers in the theater, and viewers post-TNG who haven't seen a 'paragon' Vulcan like Sarek or Spock before, only more 'rank-and-file' types)
To Spock as a character first, not primarily a plot actor, and sets the stage for him to 'spar' intellectually with his mother regarding his humanity, which he has largely suppressed and neglected. There are other uploads of the full scene (which I think only people viewing the whole movie deserve to watch).
0:44 woah
I believe that's "gadolinium sulfite Chrystal's"
How do I feel uses llap symbol
"How do you feel?" "Two or more characters I wish to become romantically involved appear in a scene demonstrating the intentions of at least one of said characters to do the same. This results in a stimulation of my Tumblr cortex, generating feels."
“Correct!”
CORRECT
suffering from C-PTSD in a nutshell 😢
This is a computer on steroids!!
Henry Birtcher that is a highly illogical assumption...computers have no use for steroids...however, it may be overclocking for optimal speed...it will probably void it's 2 year limited warranty.
Deej bring me here😁
Full statement of the First Law of Metaphysics: Nothing real can be threatened, nothing unreal exists. Herein lies the peace of God.
I think they were using it to make fun of how some theorems in math sound like blatant common sense. For example, when people ask me what the Squeeze Theorem is, I tell them "Basically if you have two functions, and there's a third one that's between them, it's always .. between ... the .. two" and try not to look any more like an idiot than I just did.
Well, yes, the statement was no doubt chosen for its axiomatic, (and therefore slightly humorous) nature, but am sure that whoever wrote the line into the film was familiar with the book 'A Course in Miracles' which includes that very statement word for word in its introduction. Here is the full introduction to A Course in Miracles:
This is a course in miracles. It is a required
course. Only the time you take it is voluntary. Free will does not mean
that you can establish the curriculum. It means only that you can elect
what you want to take at a given time. The course does not aim at
teaching the meaning of love, for that is beyond what can be taught. It
does aim, however, at removing the blocks to the awareness of love’s
presence, which is your natural inheritance. The opposite of love is
fear, but what is all-encompassing can have no opposite.
This course can therefore be summed up very simply in this way:
Nothing real can be threatened.
Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God.
But...the most important question, the one the computer did not ask...because if it had, it would have spoiled the next movie and blown the STV's final boss's mind!
*What does God need with a starship?*
"Nothing is True, Everything is permitted"?
@@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 As Bones would say, "Jim: You don't ask the almighty for his ID!" 😂
0:58
and the correct answer was, "confused"
Nothing Unreal exists - Metaphysics is MAGIC . Brilliant just brilliant . The first law of a NON-EXISTANT pseudo-science proves it . Metaphysics is this disporved by its OWN first law . Brilliant .
...No...
If I can concieve of something in my mind, then it exists on that count alone, not as an external immutability, but as an internal mutable fact about my own thinking. It may be unreal to science, but not unreal to me.
"I'll take 'Ten-Second Philosophy' for $1200, Ken."
@@HuntingTarg - LOL I have a 3 years old daughter we named her K'Ehleyr ... She is awesome and just adores Targs :) Be blessed my friend and Glory to the Empire .
Spock's father was illogical. The Klingon conditions for peace were made perfectly clear. His mother is no help. Poor Spock. Capt. Kirk has a starship and he doesn't. Spock is not a plebe so it must be very hard for him. Its Amanda's fault.
It's not like Vulcans don't _have_ emotions, and can't be occasionally swayed by the stronger ones. In every depiction of Sarek, it's been made clear he loves both his wife and his son deeply, even if he has an awfully hard time showing it sometimes.
@@DissociatedWomenIncorporated
Vulcans are more like Terra's Stoics than Terra's monks. For them emotions exist, but they do not ultimately matter.
Feel sh*t
film junk brought me here
dyslexia? do they even watch star trek?
i like how they used a tos constiuion class in the test and then computer asks a quetuion about 1987 when this finished in production lol. man Vulcan homes sure are stone age like cold and depressing i thought vulcans were more advanced then this lol no couches with soft cusions? hes using camadoor amiga computers lol i know thoes graphics anywhere with the ball with the chest peaces on it lol