Running a Diesel Engine Delete Truck? They WANT You NOW! (+ A Great Story)
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2022
- Running a Diesel Engine Emissions Delete Truck? They WANT You NOW! Dave talks about the big clampdown on diesel engine delete trucks and shops, and dishing out HUGE fines in the millions of dollars.
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It's only illegal if you get caught.
It’s not about the environment nor has it ever been about the environment
Didn't the Supreme Court just rule that the EPA didn't have the authority to require DEF systems but the government is basically ignoring them.
However bro, I believe the Supreme Court just took away the EPA’s authority to enforce the DEF system on trucks, so they wouldn’t be able to classify delete systems as non compliant.
I think that was the report.
Could it be that the EPA is just nowadays a weapon against small business?
I am a tractor trailer mechanic in Metro Detroit. I am always getting people asking me to delete there trucks. I just tell them that if they get cought, it's major fines for both them and me. Then they always say they will not turn me in. I say that when you are facing thousands of dollars in fines and the epa says we will reduce the fines it you tell use who did the work, you will sing like a bird.
The EPA was supposed to be just an oversight agency. Now it’s a regulatory and enforcement agency
My truck is currently at my local Cummins dealer getting some warranty work done on my ISX engine. Right on the entrance gate there’s a sign that reads, “If your emissions system has been deleted, we cannot work on your vehicle!” So, it’s safe to say that the EPA is putting the pressure on dealerships as well. If you modify your emission system, you can’t get your engine serviced when it needs it. I’m so glad that I put the money into an in frame overhaul on my ISX last May. No DEF, DPF and the hassles/expenses that go along with it. My old EGR Cummins ISX is good for another 1.5 million miles, and I’m keeping it!
The EPA needs to be totally done away with by the supreme court they need to be disbanded
Sad everything's a money grab
Abolish the EPA!!!
The good old days are just a memory now. The industry is regulated out of existence
I'm retired now but what they've done to the engines and trucking in general makes me sick. We heard the chatter for years and thought it was crazy talk. Kind of like what's going on in our country. The EPA is another 3 letter agency that needs disbanded.
After looking at new trucks,I decided I would rather have a professionally restored '75 cabover
I think we should delete the EPA .
The Supreme Court ruled the EPA Cant Regulate Anything there are not a regulating power, it must be passed by the congress and signed into law like any other law so gliders and deletes should 100% legal
The emission regs are designed to destroy the motor. That's why new motors are constantly going down.
The regulations should permit the DPF filters to automatically bypass when operating on the open highway. The soot particles are not a health concern in the Boonies. There is plenty of natural dust out there, that the EPA would attempt to regulate if they could.
The EPA can be reigned in by Congress, but that rarely happens.
Love how the highest court in the land. US Supreme Court. Voted epa has not authority over emissions
I am an owner operator for a small fleet. My truck is pre-emissions but all the company trucks are newer. Half of our 12 trucks are now down due to emission systems issues. Turning away work because of this.
I know of a few guys that got busted with deleted trucks and it costs over $20,000 to get the systems all working again, that's on top of the fines. Huge money grab.
6NZ for life
What happens when the coffin runs out of room to put nails? Lol.
My 98 e model Cat gets 7 mpg.3 loaded 4 empty.
there is a method... you can have a delete with all of the emissions regulation equipment in place and basically have a "switch" to shut it off when driving, and activate it for inspection.. it is very discreet and it works but it is expensive as it requires 2 engines maps and or a second discreet ECU.
There are still brand new gliders being built and sold. The catch is that it has a salvage title.
Imagine 15-20 thousand trucks regening every day at 1200 degrees ? I deleted my crap and my truck gets better gas mileage and breaks down very very seldom due to loss of power issues with DEF I would be broke and out of business if I didn’t do it. But in my state we are not treated as ozone killers
I have several gas pickups as a few diesels, what blows my mind is they’ll go absolutely crazy over a deleted truck but I can ride around all day everyday in my gas trucks with the cats hollowed out and nobody cares.
I have a friend works for the FBI and hunts down delete shops and I also have friends who own delete shops it's kinda weird.
That was a good one bout dam cop getting stuck 👍🇺🇸
California is starting to send out renewal notices to Owner Ops, in order to get your renewal for your truck it requires you to go have your software updated at the dealer. If the dealer finds anything different then it's a NO go. I don't know if this is random or if it is for everyone. We will soon find out.
The dumb thing is that trucking emmitions were only a small part of the pollution issue. This is like fighting a house fire by only focusing on one room while the rest of the house burns down around you. The real polluters are non surprisingly the corporations. The bigest of them being oil and cole companies. If pollution sorses could be put on a pie chart trucking makes up about 5% an automotive in general makes up about 15-20%. So to focus on trucks so hard in a economy already riddled with transportation issues makes no since at all
They don't want these new engines to be reliable that way they can push the trucking industry into electric vehicles.
Just had to smile about the state trooper in the ditch.
If I can't straight pipe it, I don't want it.
I have the same Jacket Dave. My poppa bought his 04 379 at premier. Take care
Great video, very informative. I am an HD mechanic for over 15 years, and own older farm equipment (70’s,80’s,90’s) it is astounding how bad new Diesel engines are. Most of the time emissions systems are directly responsible for major catastrophes. The C15 cat vs early C15 ACERT engines is a good example. From one of the most reliable early electronic engines to one of the worst in one generation. Why the manufacturers can’t figure out a system that isn't such a liability to reliability is beyond me.
I was telling driver's last year they were cracking down on deleted truck's but I was told I didn't know what I was talking about
Seams like peak reliability ended some where around 2004 or 2005 in truck engines with the c15 cats
makes me wonder when they're going to do emissions control on the amount of crap and hot air coming out of the of the federal mouth 🤔
I’ve never been a trucker, but truckers are the backbone of North America and throughout the world……I enjoy your vlogs and concern for your profession…..TFJ!! ❤️✝️❤️
I delete every truck I own and delete for others. They all run so much better.
Tim 😮
Abolish 90% of the federal government
Ugh 😑
What about the Supreme Court Ruling the EPA lost there right to regulate semi trucks in 2022 ????? Meaning EPA can no longer fine or come after you for a deleted semi truck they lost all there power idk who didn't inform you because this all is a old subject like I said EPA no longer has the right to regulate semi trucks do research
Need to step up and stand up for ourselves.
Older engines more efficient? Um no way they are.
Well Dave there should be another work around for the dpf systems and that might be getting a mechanical/ fluid dpf flush.every so often with water and dawn soap, if the dpf is acceptable. I will look into this later.
Love that story at the end.
Strap
In my case my truck was all i could afford. It has a dpf filter but not def. 2010 model so it was all new. The dpf filter went bad and the dealership wanted $14k to replace it. I'm a first time owner operator. I can't afford it. I paid $3k to have the filter deleted. Still have the egr system. No black smoke out the exhaust. Is that so bad? 😞
I used to drive for a candy company. We were usually pretty close to the 80k line, always legal. But the freightliner Cascadia units had a lot of dpf troubles. I had a lot of hourly pay waiting for the mechanics to clear the codes and try to run a cleaning cycle, sometimes with no luck. Then it was time for the hook.
we were putting big cams in our 02-03 379’s right from peterbilt, no engine trans or rears we took it off our cabovers 362’s
I bet that trooper was very unhappy sitting in the ditch in a snow drift. He probably sat there for quite a while too because the tow trucks were busy. Funny story!
only major emissions vehicle issue I've seen so far has been a Komatsu WA320. All of our Komatsu loaders are fantastic, except 1, which keeps throwing SCR codes.
Love the story. Reminds me of something that would've happened to Buford T Justice haha
Sorry Bud you're remembering history wrong all these emissions rules were driven by California and CARB they may have had EPA helping but it was California
JUST CRAZY, THE PRICES OF THE PARTS, FLUID FROM $3 TO OVER $20 THEN FUEL AND BREAK DOWNS
And the sad thing is if evey trucker would take a week holiday all at the same time they could shutdown North America in minutes and could get any law overturned before they go back to work. But we all know the “sandle wearing truckers” wouldn’t give up there 95 cents a mile for a week
It’s all about money
I just keep on runnin' my '88 Pete!
I agree that the reliability over the last 20 years has been lost, but I disagree about the efficiency. In general, trucks 20 years ago we're not getting 8 to 9 miles per gallon.
The Supreme Court just ruled the EPA does not have the authority to do so
Great story!
How about we park the trucks until the EPA agents demand food be at the grocery store, then we can have a conversation.
I seen 2 GP Transco this week up in MN i tried to talk to them on the radio but they didn't have radios. I'd like to hear what they have to say?
I loved getting stuck doing 5 mph home in the 3500 hd, driving for the Amish......
If you don't run to California what do you have to worry about? I changed the engine myself when I bought mine last year put a cat in it then.
Fully delete every single truck! They cannot shutdown everyone.
EPA = pests to entire motor industry!
My 2020 Pete 579 goes in the shop every 70000 miles for the DPF system. It’s been in 3 times😡
So right I start in 1976 the last of the good years
They hate you. Remember this November to hate them back.
4MG Cat for life!! 😎😎😎😎
I will never 👎 take my 4MG Cat off the road. Even if the EPA tries really hard to make me.
How do you think the EPA loss in The Supreme Court governing coal emissions will affect the trucking industry?
Great story 😆
Buy delete kits from Canada, leave the hollowed out cans on, don't get stupid with the tune blowing a lot of smoke, and fly under the radar.
Great story 😁
Didn't the epa get smacked down on the glider issue??
Yes they did. The EPA doesn't have *THE AUTHORITY* to enforce these regulations, but the individual states do, so that mean the penalties vary from state to state, if there's a penalty at all. Still gonna get a glider kit truck though.
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I have to disagree with you on “They still can get these emissions engines to be as RELIABLE or EFFICIENT as older engines”
My new emissions engines are as reliable as my older engines and far more efficient. I have been trucking for 36 years and O/O for past 25 years. Logged about 4.5 million miles.
Now I’m will agree that the emissions engines won’t last as long as non-emissions engines and I don’t think the new emissions engines are worth overhauling or running much past 500,000 miles.
trucks... what about the boats? do they need DPF systems?
Just learned something new watching thi video. I’ve been out of the driving business for a number of years already and didn’t realize that glider kits have been put out of business the Federal Government. In my humble opinion what needs to be eliminated are the vast majority of the alphabet soup Federal Agencies and Departments. Those that would remain would need to be trimmed back for efficiency and waste must be eliminated. It’s much to often that whatever government touches it wrecks it, especially today as well as some past administration’s.
The EPA will soon drive instead of us
Not only for owner operators but for some small companies to cause the one I work got a few that was deleted and now the truck runs better I don't understand why we r letting them to keep pushing us around but again truckers today don't stick together anymore I like ur video
I SAY BRING IT!!
EPA and CARB🤮
Just have not for hire
Personal use on the side of your truck.
This is unintended consequence. This drives up cost as even the big boys will at some point cry uncle. I would love to see a 10 liter turbo I/C with 14-1 pistons on propane! Would not pull with the class 8 but would scream on lighter stuff and be clean.
But nobody will buy them.
Why did they tend to break down specifically?
I think the trucking industry needs a new fuel. Maybe used cooking oil?
I don’t even want a newer diesel Tonka truck that has a dipshit fluid tank. If I was to get one I would look into the delete of the crap.
what the heck is s glider kit? what's a delete kit?
From a UK perspective you're lucky you only get fined, if we get caught deleted you get your Operators Licence (Authority) revoked, permanently. You're done, find a new career. On the flip side we get a lot less trouble than you do with emissions, not none, but less the reason is our fuel prices mean that we don't idle, if your not moving switch it off it's been that way for my 50years in the industry and emission engines hate idling. Also as to efficiency, emission engines are way better on fuel than pre-emission engines and bear in mind that with the exception of the Cummins ISX and DD15 the engines on both sides of the pond are basically the same units, be it MX13, DD13 or 16, D13 or A26 I don't understand how that is different.
Thank the idiots in pick up trucks that make rolling coal videos, aside from those, diesels dont pollute as much as people are led to believe
After all this time haven't they figured out how to make it work reliably yet?
First of all, the air quality and the reliability of diesel engines can all be improved by producing good quality fuel. Enforcing adequate cetane levels at fuel stations (like the certification done with octane levels for gasoline), in addition to monitoring the additive of quality lubricants and catalyst can reduce emissions and prolong engines, which is important to our air quality, economy, and waste in materials. However, the government does nothing about this. Nothing. Second, EPA can’t force people to follow their stupid rules unless it’s passed through congress. Third, it’s a fact that these laws are directly causing financial problems to both companies and owner operators, which can be prevented by protesting. There’s always politicians looking for ways to improve their reputation at an expense of others. We can either follow that and get screwed or unite and let them bend over. Our government will continue to try to bend us over because they know it’s not easy for us to unite. Laws should be made to protect us and favor the majority. There are ways to improve air quality, but it’s not patriotically correct to force the workers, tax payers, veterans, consumers, and retired RV citizens to pay for their insidious selfish fantasies. Energy always has a price; it’s never efficient and there’s always a byproduct of wasted energy, sound, and pollution.
That's why I built an 2003 lol
What America has become. It's a shame what has come of the trucking industry. What happened to the pursuit of happiness, when regulations like these have put many people out of business. How can that be right? They set these standards. When the catalyst was mandated in the 70's the same should have been done for the diesel engine. Instead they wait almost 4 decades later, to realize the diesel engine needs a catalyst also. It don't take a scientist to realize that any type of combustion will have some type of byproduct. They failed the American people and are not held accountable for their actions. Instead hard working American's are denied their right to use what they so hard worked for. That is not what America is about.
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So I’m 20 and I’m looking into driving a truck I’ve been interested for years because my great grandpa had 2 trucks in the 50s-90s one cab over and one modded semi. Any tips for me? I want to be a owner operator but I don’t have the upfront expenses or experience
Dave, if you think the US has it bad with emissions, you obviously must not have heard about the new Euro 7 emissions regulations here in Europe: 60mg/km NOx for diesels, emissions for TIRES AND BRAKES, 4.5mg/km of solid particulates, but by far the most idiotic is that part of NOx they will also measure from 2025 the following: hydrocarbons, ammonia, methane, N20 and formaldehyde.
Not only this caused a huge shitstorm across the board from car manufacturers to truck manufacturers (truck manufacturers in Europe build their own engines, they don't source them from a third party manufacturer like most US builders do), prices have shot up for everything because new Euro 7 vehicles have to come with a guarantee that they will respect these emissions regulations for 10 years or 200,000km, and so far which vehicles have gotten very expensive, some are already on their way of dumping models like VW Polo, because it would be so expensive it would compete with the VW Golf.
The worst part of it is that you can't exactly work around the system as you still can do in the US with deletes and other mechanical wizardry because you're obligated quasi-everywhere to take the vehicles (cars and trucks) every year for DOT inspections, and there are also specialised traffic police units solely for commercial carriers, things like DVSA in the UK which look for commercial vehicles with problems on the road: if they find that you or your company dicked around with the emissions tech, on top of a humongous fine both for you and the company, that vehicle will also be sent to the junkyard and crushed.
Feed 'em fish heads.