Editing & uploading 60fps video on an obsolete Mac PowerBook G4
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- A look at my 2006 PowerBook G4, watching UA-cam videos on it using the WebKit browser, and editing 60fps video using iMovie HD and JES Deinterlacer. it's still surprisingly useful if you have enough patience!
VWestlife, the only man in existence that still makes appealing video thumbnails without any traces of clickbait
It's very relaxing learning about old computers while classical music plays in the background. Love ya, VWestlife!
6:11 it's a winter night, you are wearing a wool sweater, on your desk there is a steaming cup of black coffee, a glowing lamp with an incandescent bulb, and a Mac computer
you hit the power button, "da~~~"
TenFourFox is the best web browser for the PowerPc platform. It is actually just a modern version of Firefox designed for PowerPc G3, G4 and G5 processors.
But it's unbearably slow on anything less than a dual-processor G5 system.
@@vwestlife really? runs ok enough on my G4 ibook
@@onometre I have a G4 iBook, the fastest 12" model with max RAM. TenFourFox is pretty slow, sometimes unusably so, depending on the website. There are sone things you can do to optimize it that do make a noticeable difference, like installing NoScript to limit JavaScript execution, but it only helps to an extent.
My iBook G4 is running OS X 10.4.11, so unfortunately Leopard Webkit is not an option without updating it to 10.5.8.
I have a G4 mirror drive door with dual 1.44 CPUs that runs TFF just fine. I’ve been trying to find a way to use iMovie HD for my classic Mac videos with my MiniDV camcorder, so I just downloaded JES Deinterlacer and and I’m going to give it a try.
@@vwestlife You can give AuroraFox a shot, its also a port of firefox, but not quite that up to date, but still very useable on most websites, and the benefit of using AuroraFox instead of TenFourFox is the speed! I own a 2004 1,33ghz powerbook g4, and this browser is the perfect balance for compatibility/speed, if you need to visit a site that Aurora can't handle, sure, open it in TenFourFox, but most websites will work with it, some websites may have rendering issues, but are still fully useable! Hope this can help! I have a sweet collection of browsers on my PB g4, i have webkit, TenFourFox, AuroraFox (obviously XD), Camino G4, Opera 10.63, SeaMonkey, Shiira, Roccat, Stainless and iCab on my machine :p (just to tinker around, to see what this machine can still do in 2020)
Always loved your content VWestlife. Keep on truckin! :D
*keep on wagenin'
The thumbnail has got to be the greatest thing in the history of the universe
When I discovered VWestlife I started watching your videos and suddently it was 4am in the morning so that's how much I enjoy your content. Keep it up!
... and it has a headphone jack!
And PCI Expansion slot!
and line in!
You should still be able to compile the latest version of FFMPEG on a PPC mac.
Yep! And newest bash, and so forth. But I don't know if I've ever seen VWestlife do command line things.. been watching on and off since 2012.
watched twitch for a while on an emac g4 with 'buntu. it worked perfectly fine, but as kit vitae said, I don't think vwestlife is a CLI type of guy.
My first computer was a dual-processor powermac g4 quicksilver. I still own it, and recently used leopard assist to get it up to 10.5.8, though it took downloading about four different leopard discs online before I found one it would install from. Even with leopard and the modified WebKit browser it really isn’t usable online today. After watching this video I think might try video editing on it just for the fun of it.
If there is one thing Macs really do well at is lasting for years. I still have my more recent MacBook Pro 2014 13-inch, and it still runs like it's brand new.
Some of my customers still use their 2009 MacBooks which are still currently supported, and absolutely love them refusing to upgrade lol. But I have to say I agree, if the machine works well for you especially if it's still supported, keep using it. Just one big reason I love Macs.
I'm pretty sure that Windows laptops also last long. Probably longer.
If it has an SSD, yes. I still have a Thinkpad T430, used it up until around 2019 or so. Nowadays it acts as a server.@@fungo6631
The keyboards on them none unibody macbooks where fantastic.
Like the old thinkpads I have, I wish I could still use them.
I have to agree with the both of you. My two favorite laptops (keyboard-wise) is my TiBook and my sThinkpad T43. Both are equally as useless for day-to-day tasks but man can you type like a god on them.
Tho Volvo sucks lol
I agree. The keyboards on the G4 Powerbooks are really good. But even better are the G3 Powerbook (Lombard/Pismo) keyboards. Still my alltime favourite and still in use.
I use an even older video editing software to edit my UA-cam videos, from 2002! And it does 1080i just fine.
What software is that??
I'm considering changing software for my video editing. Don't video streaming sites only do progressive video these days or am I mistaken?
If you upload interlaced video to UA-cam or Vimeo, they will automatically de-interlace it for you (although not using the highest-quality method and only doing it at 25 or 30 fps).
What software do you use
UA-cam will only de-interlace up to 480p, if you bump up the resolution, it will play the video interlaced.
What software is it?
Back in day we used to call the Travelstars, Deathstars due to how often they died. Thanks for the blast from the past.
I love old computers that still have a job. Wish I could fact is I don’t have room for a computer to hold music, one for video editing and such. I have room for 2 iMac 27 and Mac mini. That’s all the room the wife allows. So I have to here and watch you build or repair and use these machines. Love it all.
A G4 with DDR2? Dang...that's bonkers.
I recently maxed out my old G4 MDD tower and brought it online too. It's a dual CPU 1.42GHz model with 2GB of DDR(1) and a BIOS-flashed GeForce 7800GS from a PC. Leopard just flies on that thing. Never even thought about uploading 720p/60 video from it, though. :)
I used to call those hard drives Deathstars because they always die.
I remember exporting 4k video from iMovie on my iMac G4 20 inch, and the resulting file would be huge in size due to not being compressed. I would compress it, but it would take a very long time to render and encode.
good video! i am glad you can still find uses for older computers. and this apple seemed to do pretty darn good! makes me feel good to see it preform so good!
While my new motherboard is shipped off for warranty service due to a faulty BIOS chipset, I'm editing on an old HP Probook6470b. It is newer than your PowerBook G4, but still pretty painful to edit HD with. I found that if I allow my software to make low resolution proxy files, it runs a little smoother. I'm not familiar enough with iMovie to know if it uses proxy files. I will be happy to get my main PC back in running order.
iMovie HD (6.x) converts all standard-definition video to DV and all HD video to HDV. But of course if you use a camcorder that records in these formats natively, there is no conversion necessary.
I have an 09' polycarbonate MacBook with a Core 2 Duo, and it's stupidly usable even now. Most sites I visit still load and work just fine! All the included Apple apps work too (trying to fix an issue with the GarageBand Extra Content dilemma) and will likely be using it to produce my first new videos on my channel. Love this thing. :)
This is the quality content I signed up for
I was a little confused a5t first when you showed off the WebKit browser as I know only of the WebKit rendering engine that Safari is based on but I think I’ve cleared up my confusion. Some of you may know that WebKit is also the name of the rendering engine used in the Safari browser and is the basis for the Chrome browser engine, which became a fork of WebKit. So it appears that someone has taken the open source WebKit engine and built interface around it that runs on PowerPC in order to give it some modern features, a5 least ones compatible with the Leopards OS. Sort of like how someone forked the Firefox Browser into TenFourFox, a version of Firefox that still runs on PowerPC Macs.
Leopard Webkit is Safari 5 modified to use a newer version of the Webkit engine compiled for PowerPC. So, the page rendering engine (Webkit) is new, the browser Is the same old Safari 5 from OS X Leopard.
WIth TenFourFox, both the engine and browser are new.
Those laptops are amazing. It's a shame the new ones aren't as well built. Even the latch mechanism, that retracts and magnetically pops out when the lid is closed is amazing.
This just came out, and it's already on the list of my favorite videos of yours.
Always enjoy VWestlife's comfy videos.
I just got finished installing os x 10.4 on my 17 inch PowerBook g4 and I was surprised to see that Apple is still serving the automatic updates for 10.4.11. the PowerBook came with 10.5.8 when I got it but it ran too slow for my liking.
ZGViYW4K yea the updates work for 10.3-present 10.2 and earlier don’t though
Great video sir, great way to highlight uses for older tech, have and still use a PowerBook myself (12" runing Panther) small and compact enough to take notes on :) Battery charge lasts 3-4 hours with light use 1-2ish with heavy constant use.
You absolute madman. Keep up the great work!
Not particularly adept at browsing the web these days, but PowerPC Macs indeed handle quite a bit of stuff offline great. My big 'ol G5 remains in active use to this day.
They have a hard to describe charm to them, the 2000s were an exceptional & weird time for Apple when it came to design and functionality. That's a lovely PowerBook model you've got there!
I wonder if it would benefit from a Kingspec IDE SSD,
I believe you could pick up an IDE enclosure for mSATA SSD's and an mSATA SSD for well under that price for a Kingspec.
I always will love my 2007 macbook
i do have a few PPC Macs, none of them are laptops though. got two Beige G3 AIOs (some call them molar Macs), and a digital audio G4. and i have a IIgs and a upgraded Performa 475.
They aren't built the same way these days. I started with Macs and lowed them (quadra 950, a bunch of LC's, performas etc..) Kinda grew tired of their hollow lies and underperforming hardware once it was possible to do apples to apples comparisons(ie they switched to Intel). I'd recommend getting hold of one of their older laptops tho.
This baby deserves an SSD. PATA SSDs are rare, but they do exist
They also still have automatic updates on OS X 10.4. Yeeet.
with patience, he delivers
You do the oddest videos. And I love it.
14:00 I have to say, I've only *legitmimately* (no virtual machines) used MacOS many years ago, and this is the iMovie I remember. It was one of those blue computers and it must've had very little storage, as that meter in the lower-right corner always filled up after I'd make a single video using it.
Well done :) I got two G4 Power Macs (a Gigabit Either and a Quicksilver) last week, and scored an Apple Studio Display (an LCD one) yesterday, to go with the QS.
By the way, you could have shown how the latch clip pops up and hides when it's close to the bottom part of the laptop. That thing always amused me on my 12" iBook G4. It's just based on magnetism, but it's still a nice touch.
In my mind, this is why there is no such things as "obsolete" technology.
I do NOT miss that old style power plug lol. I had a 14" iBook G4 (the last model made) and that plug started failing very quick. Magsafe was a huge improvement.
I just had to lookup the Slugbug - Computers Again. Quite a fun video.
Wash your clothes without electricity!
Wait for thunderfoot to debunk it.
You've tuned in Uxwbill...wait...I'm confused :D
they both have the same voices almost
I was getting tired of my 2010 compaq pressario cq56 not being abke to do 60 fps in youtube and normally only 480p but after seeing the preformance of this macbook it kinda made me happy of still having my compaq.
For anyone watching this that is too young to remember when Apple still provided CD/DVD writer drives on there computers, the slot on the front referred to as a SuperDrive in the vid was a Apple brand name for a type of optical drive offered on some Apple computers starting with the PowerMac G4 in 2001. A slot-loading version first appeared as an upgrade option on the late 2002 PowerBook G4 before becoming standard on the PowerBook Pro laptops. The SuperDrive was called that by Apple because it could read and write to both CD/CD-ROM and DVD/DVD-ROM discs. Before then they had the combo drive which could both read and write CD/CD-ROM but could only read DVD/DVD-ROM (but not write). The superdrives used on laptops where exclusively slot loading meaning you simply inserted the disc in to the slot and drive grabbed ahold of the disc and pulled it in. before the appearance of the slot loading optical drives, laptops typically used a modified version of the tray loading drive, where unlike on desktop computers, the tray does not complete eject but rather is spring loaded and pops out a short distance when you pressed a button on the front of the tray. and you then had to pull it fully out yourself. To close it you push it back in until the drive latches closed. You might still see slot loading optical drives on some car stereo/infotainment systems, especially older models (unless they use a multi-changer system in the trunk) but they have largely vanished from as default options on laptops and computers, except as maybe an optional add-on for some desktop system. The few Win PC computers still offering optical drives as an option are typically use a tray loading drive.
What's funny I remember a guy I drove with over the road he had this and one with a magsafe port. This was like 2010 2012 and I find it hilarious you went to a uxwbill UA-cam video and it was doing a good job I think doing it's best to load and I remember a Pentium 2 I had trying to do UA-cam which was a pain even the Pentium 3 dell laptop I had I forgot what it was a inspiron something.
amazingly thin bezel for 2006
I've had computers since 1980 and through the first two decades afterwards struggled to keep-up with technology always having something vastly inferior, glad it works but no-more of that for me 🤗
Cool! I've got the 2002 version of this (867 MHz). I just put 10.5.6 on it last night as well as the auto update to 10.5.8! It must not have the original battery because it still has quite a bit of useful life left in it, where as my 2006 Macbook Pro's battery is COMPLETELY dead.
It was 2015 when I first edited a video for school on an iBook G4. It took an awfully long time to import. It was where I learned video editing.
I used to edit on a 2002 computer for many years. They're far from useless. They're just slow.
If you're patient and don't wanna do intense editing work (which most people don't), then an old machine is perfectly fine.
Yay!! A VWestlife video!! *grabs snacks*
I miss my old PowerBook G4.
The Leopard o.s. was solid. I keep my old g4 laptop around so I can run os9 to play classic games.
Very impressive. I have a 2008 Macbook that's essentially useless. Safari hardly works, my touchpad doesn't click anymore and the WLAN card no longer looks for Wi-Fi spots, not even open ones that my old Windows XP computers can work with.
Not to mention it came with a still sealed battery from Apple that doesn't hold a charge longer than 3 or 4 hours. I might just bin it.
When Apple laptops still had ports.
The headphone jack also has Optical line-level Out too.
Old computers never die.
I'm still using a 2009 macbook with chrome os on it,it works well.
I had gotten a PowerMac G5 in hopes of making videos with it. Sadly I wanted a 1080p 60fps standard and it wasn't cutting it.
The missing quality settings is likely due to a lack of DASH support in that version of WebKit/Safari.
I'm using a PowerMac G5 for digitizing DV and analog sources, and being able to deinterlace to 60p without having to do that on my modern PC will make my process much more convenient. Thanks dude! Also I didn't know JES Deinterlacer could output Prores, that's sweet.
JES Deinterlacer works best with the settings I showed: "Remove Jaggies" enabled, Adaptive enabled (on by default with Both Fields for 60 fps), and Local not enabled. Turning on Local mode does give you sharper video, but either causes ghosting during fast motion (with "Remove Jaggies" not enabled) or causes some interlacing artifacts to remain visible during slight motion (with "Remove Jaggies" enabled).
I had a Powerbook G4 project in the past and it was an absolute pain. Had to replace the screen, the keyboard twice, the battery twice and the power supply within about 12-18 months of owning it before giving up and selling it.
This machine definitely deserves an SSD as an upgrade. Also I believe Artic fox would be the best choice for 10.5.8 right now.
Just FYI you don't want to wrap that cable up that tightly at the tip.
Apple recommends leaving about a 1 inch loop sticking up.
Part of the reason they got rid of it was people wrapping the cable too tightly and the cable would tear open.
Reminds me of Steve Jobs saying "you're holding it wrong!"
An apple product with a head phone jac ... there's one for the archives :)
You act like there aren't decades worth of products with headphone jacks
Wow thats pretty cool, im still using my mac mini I got back in 2012 until I build my gaming pc lol.
You should install Leopard rebirth it fixes leopard makes it look more modern and gives you a ppc Appstore
You had better luck than I had with my iBook G3 9000mhz. I use Mac OS9 in it even though it supports X. I just like 9 better. The last time I used it the only browser available was a seriously outdated browser called Classilla, and it did not support video at all.
Also worth noting that this PowerBook is not capable of viewing the Reiwa Era, which started in Spring 2019 due to Japan's imperial transition. Many older OS's will view 2020 as Heisei 32 rather than Reiwa 2. I heard from my friend in Japan that on 68K era Macs, 2020 is Heisei -68, or in other words, 1920.
Those power supply cord retaining clips we're nice however they tend to make the whole thing take up more space than just nicely looping and Velcro tying the cable. Plus every person I saw use them wrap the cord so tight that it guaranteed they were gonna break and it didn't help that they use aluminum wire in their power cords. The strain relief is there to relieve strain but if you're yanking it it's not able to do it's job.
Maybe in 15 years VWestlife will be making a video about a 16 inch MacBook Pro with Touch Bar attempting to edit modern 48k 240fps video on it.
I have a similar system but with a 2009 MacBook Pro and a Panasonic NV-DS29, fire-wire connected. The other difference is the operating system, I am running Lubuntu with kdenlive. Internet is good with no adds. I bought this 10 year old laptop at a flee market in a really battered state with no hard drive, no charger, no super drive and no battery but screen and keyboard in good condition.I tried to download the mac osx version for this laptop but I got fobbed off by apple. Lubuntu is easy to install and works just great. I very much enjoyed your video.
Is it just me or the recording is giving me 2000s vibes (in the good way)
You inspired me to finally start my own channel! I already have a couple of subscribers!
There is a new way to watch youtube vids on a ppc mac! I did not try it out yet but its called TenFiveTube (leopard) and TenFourTube (tiger)!
Thanks! I’m going to try it out on my iBook G4 1.42Ghz!
@@oliversakic5907 How was it, and the resolution?
@@connorm955 it was pretty choppy, even at 360p
Look at this massive trackpad
Great video and work!
I like the title. That's like my attitude towards what straight talk was saying to me about forcing an update on my cellphone. I had jellybean on my Samsung 4 well not now after a forum search. I have Android 5.1.1 and its a custom ROM. Plus after I found my 720hd vivitar I may try doing some videos on UA-cam of some stuff I have
Those laptops were a pain in the butt to open but otherwise, amazing machines.
Love the 8-Track receiver 🤘🏻
It's not that bad if you have the proper tools and follow a tutorial.
I actually put a PATA SSD in my G4, gadget but helps with the heat 🤗
TenFourFox browser works best for PPC Macs. Plays videos over HTML5 so doesn’t need browser plugins. There also a UA-cam video viewer for Mac PPC that still works seamlessly in 2021
Wonderful machine.... I got one one eBay about a year ago 😀 (same model)
Funny story, I don't think I have ever used a MAC of any kind. Can you image that! :)
I can see on your youtube screen in the video that we watch a lot of the same youtubers. Techmoan and Mr Atheist popped out at me :)
Oh there pops up LGR too. And now Linus...
Ah those were the days when apple laptops had the best IO on the market and not like today when there is only USB C
The Shadow Man the best io these days is USB c with thunderbolt 3
Xemerius Sieben
Yeah is they included a dongle
@@theshadowman1398 why would you need a dongle if everything has usb c?
wow very nicely done
Uxwbill guest appearance!
Try tenfourfox as a web browser
TenFourFox is still slow on these old machines, isn't it?
I was thinking just that!
TenFourFox is more capable, but *MUCH* slower. It's almost unusable on anything other than a dual-processor G5 system.
@@vwestlife Makes sense .. the Webkit engine is considered lightweight, but I think Firefox lost that a long time ago.
I still have a powerhouse of a workstation PowerMac G5 11.2 Dual 2.3 Ghz with an Nvidia Quadro FX4500. It’s epic
My ThinkPad T30 still rocks on with a Pentium 4.
I felt a bit sad when I saw all that lovely connectivity. What do you get these days? A crappy USB-C that needs adapters to do anything vaguely useful.
i miss my powerbvoook g4:/
These machines came with GIGABIT ethernet. Editing DV video wasn't much of a challenge for these machines as it was a well optimized intermediate codec that was over a decade old at that point.
No offense, but the results from that JES deinterlacer are pretty subpar compared to modern deinterlacing solutions.
Gigabit was nothing special even back then. Even my old P4 Wilamette had it (horrible processors for the record) :)
@@Chriva Albooks came with gigabit ethernet all the way back in 2003. They were among the first laptops with it. Even at the time, it wasn't common on desktop machines.
@@NJRoadfan There's even a TiBook with it. :) Fujitsu had a few lifebooks with it too so let's not go the fanboy route lol
iMovie HD's built-in deinterlacing is actually just fine, if you're OK with 30fps. Until I started caring about 60fps, it produced better-quality results than the de-interlacing in any other video editor I tried except Serif MoviePlus. I used it for many of my videos from mid-2011 to mid-2015.
the 1.42GHz G4 in my mid-2005 14" iBook is an absolute leg cooker. can't image what a 1.67GHz G4 is like. I use TenFourFox with an old version of uBlock Origin (available in the archive of legacy Firefox addons in the TenFourFox github) on my iBook, and it's actually not too bad browsing the web, all things considered. even got it running OS9 (in dual boot with 10.4.11!), albeit with no audio and a basically unusable trackpad.
the dual-G5 mac pro I used at work many years ago functioned pretty well as a space heater in the winter.
I've never been a big Apple fan (except old Macs, Apple IIs, etc.), but man, those PowerBooks were incredible. Back when Apple was still doing actual innovating and making truly great products, when Jobs was still around.
I think I saw a couple of these at the recycler, I should pick one up.
What is funny is the Linux PowerPC releases have fairly up to date web browsers. But it's slow as molasses.
It is sick, great upload!!!! Btw, which camcorder You used? Waiting or more G4 clips :D
VWest have you considered using TenFourFox as a web browser?
No. It's far too slow on anything less than a dual G5 system.
Pretty abysmal that even a decently standard definition video from the good ol UXWBill it still stutters. Could just be UA-cam. Edit: ok for 360p, not that the “millennial-standard 4K definition” really matters for me and especially the uploader himself
And 2005 was around the last time where webcams on laptops were like an optional feature. Now companies would set it as a “compulsory” feature. And do be aware of the potential for the dreaded screen “notch” that we may or already have on portable PCs
Just call them phones. Please.
I didn’t mean to include phones and tablets and as well as phablets originally in my comment but oh well, they could suffice