That's dope to hear! I've always heard such mixed things about those car, so I went with a Fiesta ST. Glad to say the both of us have reliable hot hatches.
I bought an Abarth new in 2013 and thought it offered the best smile-per-dollar ratio even at $22k. It’s impossible not to smile when you are driving one. Nice ones seem hard to find but I keep looking. I bought a Porsche 986 Boxster about a year ago. I am an avowed bottom feeder in the collector car market and think these are a rare value in this inflated market. I have owned three early Miatas and love them, but when a Boxster is less money, that just spells bargain. Mine is an early 2.5L, so not particularly fast but it is tight, balanced, smooth, and fun at a level or two above the Miata. Good ones with great maintenance history and low miles are still sub-$15k.
I'm very glad Doug mentioned the RX8! I have a 2004 and I'm pushing 326hp out of my engine modified but still naturally aspirated! I daily it and have put 20k km on it without any major issue, I just keep up with maintenance and drive her hard and she makes my daily commute absolutely wonderful :)
@@_initial_dow it's a very custom setup but I'll give a summary here if you'd like. Full solid dowel, 4 port irons (I'll explain why later), full race port, full bridge port, peripheral port, cut Inlet runners, GSLSE rotor housings, slotted rx8 rotors, race clearanced rotors, lightened rotors, and full assembly with clutch included balanced. I use the 4 port irons with the peripheral port to retain the stock shutter valve setup while gaining higher power. Custom intake manifold and exhaust Headers, Racing beat revi intake, and racing beat midpipe and catback. I run 94 octane fuel (94 octane canadian). Ignition is all black halo racing. My redline for that figure was 11k rpm but i only run to 10k normally for safety. All the work otherwise including engine build was done myself! I think that covers the basics?
Fiesta ST is an honorable mention! Rented one on Turo during vacation and now have one in the garage next to our S2000. The torque, short wheelbase and lift off oversteer make it one of the most fun cars for the money! Hope to add an rx8 r3 to the garage at some point. Test drove one several years back and still think about it.
THIS... I own a mk8 ST and I've test driven an abarth. It completely blows it out the water in terms of drive. Not available in the US though which is why it won't have made this list. Only the Mk7 was if I recall correctly.
I'll take it a step further and say ANY Mk7/Mk8 Fiesta. The ST is, of course, the best version, but even a SE base model is a joy to toss around. Ford absolutely nailed it with the Fiesta chassis.
@@themrchicken96I have a MK7 st in the US. I also drove the Abarth to compare when I was shopping. The ST is way better driving experience. The Abarth is only better in terms of noise from the factory.
Also I'm so glad you mentioned the rx8. I drove a 2011RX8 R3 model 5 years ago and that car left such an impression on me. They drive SO WELL and people don't realize it.
@@jordanplays-transitandgame1690 Lol. Not really. The car is fun to drive, part in due to its low power. You can max it out and not be going speeds that will kill you in an instant. Definitely biased, though. But at least don't put a generic no name brand engine into a car like the rx8 lol. A 1JZ? Go for it lol
I've had my first-gen RX8 for 15 years now, and yes, it's been rebuilt. Has over 170k hard driven miles on it and Doug is right - the handling is unreasonably sharp for a cheaper sports car. I love it!
Imo the best experience is a lotus Elise/exige. Other than maybe an Ariel atom it would be hard to find a car more raw. The elise/exige has SO much feedback, it's so raw, so sharp, so communicative, so beautifully balanced, cool looking, high revving, tons of grip, plenty fast (especially the SC models). These cars on good tires... you can't find a better driving experience.
Totally agree (see profile pic for mine). I can’t think of a car I’d enjoy driving more at any price. Easy to work on too. Reliable, super low running costs, cheap insurance, responsive to mods, fairly comfortable, basically the perfect car minus some annoying issues that come from being a low-production car on a tight budget made by a tiny team
@@MrBubs-yu4wm Elise is a great car, but after daily driving one for 5 years i wouldnt want to do it again. The evora is a better all round car imo although i do sometimes find myself looking at exiges. At moment im lusting after an ultima.
@@1183newman I would not recommend daily driving an Elise :) As a purely fun car though, very hard to beat for certain kinds of drivers. I’m sure you remember!
Something to note on videos, which demonstrate Doug's excellent time management, is since the background really isn't changing, a lot of these videos are done at once. 4 to 6 in a single long session. Then all the editing gets done, and the videos are just scheduled. This is the sign of someone who's been doing this for a long time, and values their time.
Before someone says it, yes, he changes his shirt. Only because that's the thing you wouldn't notice the most if it were the same in all videos in a shoot.
Hi there! Female auto enthusiast here and I own a 2013 fiat 500 Abarth and has been the best first car for me. So incredibly fun, loud, and definitely a eye catcher. Modifications are so nice on abarths as well:)
I have owned both a Fiat 500C Abarth and currently own a 1994 Dodge viper RT10. Both are well worth getting and enjoying but if I could somehow get the Abarth back, I'd be a happy guy. Hands down the most fun for the buck. The exhaust is so crazy cool and you can put a piggyback ECU on the engine and amp the experience to eleven. Thanks Doug for listing both great choices.
True! i can´t really connect with the 500 Abarth because for me its a bit too shaky and too nimble and "tossable" and its give you a headache after some time. Its not smooth enough if thsi makes sense at least for me.
@@tolga1coolno they haven’t. They were historically a 30-35k used car and now it’s a 40-45k used car. You buy for 40k, drive for a few years and sell it again for 40k.
I had an AP2 S2000 ('08) then a Gen2 viper ('02), but now own a Mazdaspeed Miata ('04) and it's the best driving experience of the three. The others might be better on a track, but the Miata is better on public roads. It's certainly not cool, but It is just so much fun to rip around in, and it only cost me $10k. I enjoy it so much that I'll take it out in the winter with the top down (too tall to fit in it with top up), something I never would've bothered to do with the S2000 or the Viper.
@@bigbunny4000 Trouble with the S2000 is you basically have to keep it above 60000RPM to make any real power. And just driving around residential neighbourhoods at 6500RPM all the time can be considered a bit obnoxious. lol I figure the Mazdaspeed's turbo means you don't need to constantly be bouncing off red-line to get any decent performance ;).
@@bigbunny4000 Yeah, I was surprised too. I haven't driven a regular NB so I'm not sure how it compares, but the Mazdaspeed is just great. The hydraulic steering gives way better feel than the awful 1st-gen electric PS on the S2000. The S2K's shifter feel is only slightly better than the Mazda's. The F22C1 sounds kind of bad at high RPM, like it's going to fall apart, but the BP-4W is more neutral and the turbo whistle sounds good. The Mazdaspeed is only like 300 pounds lighter but it feels SO much lighter. The way the suspension rolls a little then plants going into a turn feels great. S2000 clutch is OK but the Miata's is like butter. And the Mazaspeed just does a better job of feeling fast when you're going slow, which is what you want on the street where you're not racing anyone and have speed limits to worry about. I can sort of support my opinion with those of UA-cam journalists: Mark from SavageGeese says the ND Miata is better than the S2000 on the street, and Jakub from TheStraightPIpes says the Mazdaspeed is more fun than the ND, so combining those two together, the Mazdaspeed is more fun than the S2000 lol
@@StreetPreacherrmu friend had a mazdaspeed miata.. And i agree...its a ton of fun. However, to keep it fun...you definitely had to keep the revs up to keep the increased power up. And that is similar to keeping the revs up in the s2k. I took a s2k for a test drive...and in that length of time, i decided it was better than the mazdaspeed miata.
Nissan 350z. So much fun to drive. Bought my 2006 m/t coupe with low miles and clean title for $8k a few years ago and I swear nothing in this price range beats how fun it is to drive. Absolutely love the car. Even the ones Doug mentioned on this list, in this price point, are nowhere near as reliable as a well-taken care of Z.
350z are great but in the past 2 years their community has been going to shit. VQ's at sideshows and takeovers are giving a bad name. also most for sale nowadays are clapped out lol. Was looking at one to replace my e46
@@BlackonBlackE46 Absolutely true. The takeover crowd VQs are an embarrassment to car enthusiasts. And most Z33s for sale are shitboxes. I looked on marketplace recently and it was even more trash to sift through than when I bought mine in 2019.
It's important to buy cars when interest rates and prices are low. My financial advisor also gave me the same advice. When rates and prices are low, it can save you money on financing and make the overall cost more affordable.
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Early Vipers cannot be topped for pure driving experience. One must spend time learning the idiosyncrasies of the car and that process is what its all about for me. Unlike almost every other car Ive owned the early Vipers never seem to get boring. Also when setup right and driven properly these can hang with the best of the best newer Supercars on a twisty road.
It's like an abusive relationship! If you take the time to learn all the little ways you have to behave so that they don't FUCKING KILL YOU you'll have a WONDERFUL time!
The issue is even the worst ratty ones have doubled in value since 2021. You can get a lot more car for $60,000 than a first gen Viper these days. Not something as cool, mind you. Doug says you can find them in the mid 30s. I cannot find any in the mid 30s here that are in any sort of decent shape or haven't been rebuilt.
I liked the entire list. For me driving experience has mostly to do with handling and was surprised honestly to not see any Lotus mentioned. While I would not put my 03 Esprit on the list, any of the other Lotus models are a lot of car for the money, have Toyota reliability, (unlike my Esprit) and handle like a dream.
They went up like crazy in the LHD market and after saving enough to buy one they were selling for 60+ (Elise and Exige) so I think they are gone for me lol. 😅
@@garygorrent9917no worries, the market has cooled in the past year. You can get a nice Elise in the high 30’s - low 40’s again if you don’t mind a little mileage or small issues (you shouldn’t with these cars). Exiges remain more expensive than their Elise counterparts and IMO aren’t as good value usually
Doug isn’t really the type of guy who enjoys the whole Lotus thing. He more appreciates power and acceleration, tech, etc., basically everything that was removed to make Lotus cars so good :/
As a 987 owner, it's good to see the 987 love!! There is a risk of bore scoring and oul starvation but I love the looks, handling, steering and interior quality. I have taken mitigation steps to prevent oil starvation and track the car 4-5 events per year. So fun!
He's not wrong about the Fiat 500 Abarth. Recently bought one on Cars and bids. First Fiat I've ever driven and the Abarth is the only version of the 500 I would have considered. But the car is just a lil hooligan machine. It's fun to just let it wind up in each gear and hear the lil 1.4 liter scream. As for price I did spend a lil more than I expected. And following Abarths on the website have been selling for higher prices too.
It depends a lot on the country, an s2000 is like 40 grand in Belgium, when you can get v12 mercs for a tenth of that. Mr2's and NB mx5 are quite affordable tho
2016 Boxster Spyder owner here. Purchased a used one in 2020 and nothing I drove while shopping was more fun than the Spyder, including a 996 GT3 and 991 Carrera GTS.
I own a loaded 981 cayman s and it’s an amazing car. Fast, reliable, unbelievable handling and it works really well as a daily driver. Its amazing how much you can pack in the front and back storage areas. Oh and it gets good gas mileage if you don’t push it.
This is a very solid list. I have nearly bought a 500 Abarth on multiple occasions. I had an RX8. I have an R53 and a C5 Z06 at the moment. I've wanted to get into a newer Boxster S for a while, but the practicality of the Corvette (and price) holds me back.
I have a 2019 Audi TTS. Its a criminally underrated car and it deserves more attention. Its good looking, has great technology, its fast, has a good amount of power, sounds great and most importantly.......its insanely reliable. I've owned mine since new and currently has 55,000 miles. I have had no mechanical/electrical issues during my 4 year ownership thus far. Absolutely fantastic car.
I agree with your comment that many drivers aren't concerned anymore with 0-60 times , I myself am one of them. I've mostly felt this way since I began driving in the late '80s. Many times I've been amazed driving a vehicle that seemed overlooked or dismissed by perception.
I have a 987.1 Boxster S with the 3.2L engine. Such an amazing car for the money. Much less likely to suffer from bore scoring than a Cayman S with the 3.4, bought mine for £13000, which is about $16k with 79k miles on. Yes, the Cayman is stiffer and arguably better looking, but with the top down on a winding road on a sunny day its hard to beat.
Same here, 987.1 Boxster S with 3.2l.. this is my third Boxster.. unfortunately, contrary to your expectations, this one suffered from bore scoring considerably (less than 40k miles on it) and I had to have the engine rebuilt with steel cylinder liners. Now it's a keeper which can easily do half million miles if maintained properly.
@@echotwo5813 bore scoring is always a possibility but definitely less common on the 3.2L engine. They are brilliant cars notwithstanding that. I would likely have mine rebuilt if it started suffering with scoring.
I'd say the only thing missing is a Lotus Elise or a Locost/Caterham style Seven. Sevens are literally street legal go karts to the point of absurdity and they make a 1st gen Viper look luxurious by comparison. Yet I know people who drive them 1000+ miles in a week to attend our local Sevens meetup every year. Very usable cars and the closest you can get IMO to a street legal race car.
A really fun car I enjoyed driving was the MG F. Great little mid engined roadster. Weighed next to nothing, had an awesome, torque-y little motor, nice manual transmission, handled really well - you sat so low to the ground it felt quick even when going slow. They cost absolutely bugger all too.
Haven’t watched yet, but I hope he mentions the Lotus Elise. You can tell by my profile picture that I’m completely objective about this and not biased at all
Honestly as much as I'd scoffed at "har har V6 dumb, V8 only" I recently picked up a one-owner, 45k mile 2010 Camaro V6 for a smidge over $10k and have been loving it. Surprisingly good MPG, 300hp, and it looks great.
4:49 987 Cayman owner here! The capabilities of the vehicle and WOW factor in my experience has been the worth it. Especially if you can find a good deal with the prices coming down 😊🎉
The fact that low mileage 6 cylinder BMW Z3s go for around $10K is crazy. They drive great and are so pretty. I bought a '23 GR86 (on cars & bids) to replace my '02 Z3 3.0, and it's a great car but not nearly as fun as the roadster. I now plan to sell the 86.
I just picked up a 1998 528i with the dual vvt 2.8L and loads of options in mostly great condition for under $2K AUD in our expensive market. At 280 thou KM it is still smooth as butter. Sometimes I have to look at the tach sitting at the lights, as I think it's conked out there's so little NVH. After I've fixed it up and got it running sweet it has plenty of grunt and sounds fantastic. I can imagine how even better the M52 or M54 would be in a lighter car with manual trans.
I agree -- the Cayman is the best bang-for-the-buck in the Porsche world. But Porsche enthusiasts all want a 911 of some sort. Hence the reason why you can get a Cayman so cheaply. If I were in the market for a weekend toy sports car, it'd definitely be a Cayman of some sort. Probably not the GT4, because I don't have $100K to spend on a toy, but that 987 Cayman S is definitely on my radar. One of the later models with the PDK transmission.
I've the 30+ cars I've owned so far in my lifetime, two stand out... the second-gen MX-5 Miata, and the Ford Fiesta ST. But are "cheap," but WAY more fun to drive than anything at or near their respective price and/or category levels.
I was shopping both, picked the ST. Was 8/9-10ths as fun as the Miata but I can go on a Costco run with it so I drive it way more so I have more fun total.
The people giving the S2000 hate are either people who have just driven it once or so, or...the VAST majority have never driven it at all. Ask pretty much any OWNER of one, and it's one of the greatest driving experiences you can have on 4 wheels.
A little surprised all the FA20 platform cars aren't on here. You can find early FR-S and BRZs for the mid teens, and nothing at that price level offers the incredible handling. Just a few modifications can get you close to 190hp to the wheel, and totally transforms the usually underpowered feel of them
I owned an original BRZ, NA, NC3 and ND MX5 all at the same time. I now own an S2000. That BRZ was a pos compared to the MX5s or S2000. The new BRZ might be different though.
I agree with a lot of Doug's choices. The c6 isn't a car I look at often because of the c5 z06. I think anyone would agree that 500 HP for $35,000 is a bargain.
Hi Doug, a few comments from an old enthusiast, here in the Hudson Valley any S2000 in the $20k range will have over 100k miles. For buyers in $10 price range a well kept C4 Corvette is a great fun car and can be found with low mileage as we can't drive them all year. I love these videos.
I’m not sure I could logically argue with that list. I would like to see a similar list… but for LUXURY cars, which obviously would be difficult to quantify value or differentiate area for what really represents luxury. But I’m sure it’d be one interesting (and ageless) video. Cheers.
I own an NA retired track Miata and NA turbo miata, haven driven a gen 3 viper and plenty of s2000’s, m2’s etc. Just recently picked up the new MK5 Supra MT and my god is it good. I can best describe as an step in between from something like an s2000 and a viper. I was planning to flip it but it’s getting added to the lineup of forever cars. It’s the best performance bmw on sale right now from a driving feel perspective and it’s the cheapest! It’s so nimble and direct but if you push it it’s also so tail happy and easy to control in a slide. I know $60k is a lot for 400 horse but from a drivers feel perspective I feel it’s a bargain.
I have an FR-S. I know it gets a lot of flack for not having enough power (rightfully so) but I've owned it for 6 years and it's worth nearly as much now as when I bought it.
I love my 2011 Ford Fiesta 1.25L limited. The base model with 60hp and airco that I got for 3.5 grand. It's slow in a straight line, the shiftlever has about a quarter to half an inch play both ways when it's in gear. Closer to the limit, it tends to understeer. But on a roundabout or tight corners, that's where the fun is at. The NA 4cylinder coming to life at 4-5k rpm in 2nd gear. About 30mph, where most slow down to around 15 and just throwing it around and that feeling that comes with driving a slow car fast.
I never really thought about this subject given my lack of experience in any real or even pretend sports cars, but I think you made some good points and the Viper is one of my dream cars. Thanks for the info on the others as well! I might need to try to pick one up. 🤙
what a great video. this is the perspective most enthusiasts views cars, and ownership. this is the type of list only Doug Demuro can make, and I really like the very direct way it is explained, and the reality it represents. thank you Doug!
put the Mustang GT value proposition into perspective. MSRP is $43k for a 480 hp with a manual. i purchased an FL5 Type R with 315 hp with a manual. the Type R will hold its value better than the GT, but that’s good value.
Just got my ap1 s2000, out of three years of storage. Now in Corpus Christi, this thing is the best. From a BMX background, this is the most nimble car ever, perfectly balanced between steering and power, that requires you to work for. I’ve got an NA AMG, and it ain’t the same
Just like E63 645Ci/650i and their V8s, heaps of these "good value" cars suffered badly from the stupidly long oil service intervals and general unreliability of post 2000 BMWs Dream to drive, nightmare to own
I’m surprised the Ford Fiesta ST isn’t on here. I used to own a 2019 model, bought it new for just under $20k (I had a lot of discounts). And I sold it in late 2021 for $23k. I’ve owned a good amount of cars, and in terms of driving experience and pure joy, the Fiesta ST is easily the best. You can find these for under $10k all day, and low mileage ones for somewhere in the $15k to $18k. I have a Focus ST right now and Focus RS, both modified but in terms of a nimble little car that you can toss around and drive fast around corners, the Fiesta ST stands out even compared to the Focus. For the amount of fun I had in that car, I do regret parting ways with it but I carpool with some buddies to work so sizing up to the Focus ST was the best move for leg room for my backseat warriors.
I agree with the Fiat 500 Abarth. I use to own one. Bought it used and already modified for $7,500. Was the craziest feeling car I owned. Goofy looking car on the outside, but from the driver seat, it was quite an experience. The loud stock exhaust mixed with an open air filter, that loved heat soak, made all the right noises you want in a turbo car. The ECU piggyback gave the car a ridiculous turbo surge that made the car feel way faster than it was. (It made my S2000 feel slow even though the S2000 was seconds faster 0-60) With the delivery truck feeling height of the driver’s seat, it makes basic cornering feel intense. 5 speed manual. It was practical as long as nobody was riding in the back seat. I stuffed a couch in the back one time. I never had any issues with the car except with the piggyback. I had to pull the negative battery terminal every few weeks to reboot it. You got use to it. Hate I sold that car. That being said, I also highly recommend the S2000 if you can find one for a good price. I’ve had mine for over 17 years with no intention of getting rid it it. Only major repairs it ever needed in 21years time was going through 3 sets of clutches and a new top. Mine has 258,000 miles on it and I still drive it hard. Super easy to work on. Keep the fluids changed, and it will be good to you. Sometimes, I wish it did have more torque though, but it is a quick car with great handling. I still get people ask me what it is from time to time.
Spot on .. RX8 Only, it's $15-20k no matter what you buy... they are like owning boats, have to have a fund ready to keep em happy and/or throw all the longevity mods at them from low miles/day-one
I work for a large dealer/ we sell new and used. 1500 car inventory. I bought my car by mistake when salesman asked me to move it because he didn’t drive manual. I was not looking for it. But couldn’t believe how smooth and nimble it was. I even drove higher trim level aka more expensive and appreciated the bargain of my current vehicle. I have a 19’ Subaru WRX, 6 speed, turbo for 20 grand ish + bumper to bumper warranty, all wheel drive and ton of fun. Only mods = air intake and blow off valve. I’ve driven cars that cost 5-10x the price/ and enjoy this ride
A 987.1 is a great car, as long as you know what you’re getting into. Make sure you do the research before purchasing! There are a few known issues, specifically with cars in colder climates as well as specifically with the 3.4l S. The Porsche tax is very real as well. Those issues aside, if you can afford it and you do your research, the 987.1 is an excellent sportscar.
If you’re gonna mention the Mustang, you have to mention the Gen 6 Camaro! The SS 1LE is an incredible value, but I would argue a 1LT V6 manual with the Performance Exhaust is a seriously undervalued car. From experience I can tell you it was cheap to buy and own. Had a smile on my face every day I drove it!
I have owned a 987 Cayman S and totally agree on that car. I have also had a 500 Abarth for a little while and totally disagree on that car. It's massively understeered, top heavy, plasticy and feels cheaply put together. I just didn't feel confident in corners at all. A cooper S is less shouty but feels far more solid and stable, far more balanced and therefor more fun to drive.
@@-Jason-L You sure? I know people who pull $20k+/mo who think they’re not wealthy. Alternatively, you wildly over leveraged yourself. Also, shelter costs were a lot lower back then.
@@garythecyclingnerd6219 yes and no. It sucks to see how expensive even base model mustangs have become. To see base models in the 30k range with 4 cylinders feels wild and crazy but... These are not the Mustangs of yesteryear. The level of performance that these cars provide rivals crazy expensive exotics of 15-20 years ago.
@@RedRise91 Illustrative of the wealth divide and financial illiteracy of the US. The upper class could buy any trim and not feel the impact. If you’re a responsible person in the 80%…forget it
I gotta say my 98' Lexus LS400 is the best driving experience I've ever had. You can find a LS400 for cheap and have one of the greatest vehicles ever built
For the budget section, under $20,000AUD at least, too many people overlook the Picanto GT. More reliable than a Abarth, a really good sound, ultra efficient, very light, paired with good looks imo. Bought one last year and put 43,000kms on it and it's never missed a beat, and that torque-y turbo I3 with its 5 speed manual never ceases to make me smile. It's a modern classic hot hatch in all the best ways 😁
I recently got a S550 Mustang Gt as my first sports/performance/whatever you want to call it car. Coming from trucks and economy sedans, the power is pretty mind boggling. The sound is great. Seats and tech are plenty good for me (heated/cooled seats, active exhaust with quiet mode). Decent trunk space with the rear seats down. And got it with under 20k miles for like $35k. Just seems like a great deal of a car to me
Gen 2 coyote Mustang (2015-2017) with low-ish miles in pretty good shape can be easily bought in the low 20's. Add about $15k in mods (TVS supercharger, injectors, boost a pump, tune, maybe some performance mufflers to torture the neighbors) and you're rocking a reliable 850hp car for under $40k. The same trick can be done with a C5 Vette but the Stang will be newer. And it has a backseat. And a trunk. And won't scrape on speedbumps. And flies under the radar of insurance rates. If you don't want the hassle of building just look for a Roush Stage 3, same thing with better suspension, looks and desirability for an extra 8k or so.
My 2002 Rav 4 cost 3.4k, I can do donuts in the snow and go on some fun, mellow off-road trails. Also has a wagon door which makes it super easy for my dogs to get into. 188k miles now
I think the Honda Beat is another good one. It's not the sportiest driving experience, but good luck finding a smaller or lighter little sports car for
For well less than $15k, you can buy a low miles, 6 speed early 90's c4 corvette. I own a 93 and it handles great for it's age, makes lots of rumbly noises and does burnouts for days. Great car for the money. And very reliable! But if you need a part.... Every autozone parts store and provide what you need!
Dough. What do you think about the 2014 Acura ILX 2.4L 6 spd manual? I bought one for $16’000 in 2020 with 40’000 miles. I think it’s a highly underrated car
I had one of these and loved it. I’d have kept it much longer had I not fallen in love with the ND1 Miata I bought and daily drive for 4 years. That ILX was a great car. If I’d have kept it I would have wanted to upgrade the suspension to something more performance oriented. I wasn’t tracking it or anything, but there was just too much body roll for my taste.
Tell us what you think? How does it compare to similar Honda manuals? I have an 06 RSX base 5speed, 165k miles, all stock. Shifter and steering are pretty good. Brake feel is kinda soft. Sounds nice when you ring it out and quote fun to drive. 06 accord 6 speed V6 sedan had the best shifter ever. Only drove it for 30k miles. Miss it. Probably needed an LSD. 00 s2000 don't remember that much, bought new, put 92k on it before motor blew. I enjoyed taking it out just to drive. 03 accord 4cyl 5speed. Best smooth 4cylnder. Shifter was rubbery and nothing special about steering it exhaust note
@@timothycoyne5874 i drive my ILX up and down Pikes Peak Mountain and i gotta say that the handling is superb for a 4dr sedan. The only upgrade I did to it change the wheels to 18 inch low profile rims with michellin super sport tires
Started off hot with the Fiat! I track mine regularly and pass a LOT of cars I shouldn't. Amazing little vehicle that is way more fun to drive than any other car I have
4:49 I had a cayman 987 and I gotta say the car was FAR from fast, specially, in a straight line. Everything else about the car was amazing it just lacked power.
1987 to 1993 Mustang LX 5.0. No gaudy overdone spoilers and side skirts like on the GT. It’s a graceful looking hot rod and those are the best taillights ever put on a Foxbody.
Honestly I would be terrified to drive a viper. Obviously if someone offered me the opportunity I would though but I would definitely wouldn’t push the accelerator very hard
DOUG RAISING PRICES OF THESE CARS 1 VIDEO AT A TIME 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I think that is precisely his goal.
Pretty sure Porsche didn't need assistance
We are the market not Doug alone
@@RDEnduro and he is using that fact to manipulate it for his financial gain. Solution: for now on don't watch his channel or his cronies.
Doug's been mentioning the Vette for YEARS and it hasn't changed an ounce 😭
C6 z06 is still a very well kept secret. 500hp, 3100 Lbs, 7k RPM redline, 40k. truly special car
And endless torque.
redlines dont excite me unless they are at least 8000
That’s not a well kept secret, since those were $25k-$30k ALL DAY pre-Covid.
@@lne9070 more of a covid problem. Everything since covid has gone up. Even everyday civics
@@Brian_Eugene_Leeimagine saying an a6 has priority over corvettes
i’ve put 60,000 miles on my Abarth in the last 3 years, now at 113,000 miles. still running great with regular maintenance
That's dope to hear! I've always heard such mixed things about those car, so I went with a Fiesta ST. Glad to say the both of us have reliable hot hatches.
I bought an Abarth new in 2013 and thought it offered the best smile-per-dollar ratio even at $22k. It’s impossible not to smile when you are driving one. Nice ones seem hard to find but I keep looking.
I bought a Porsche 986 Boxster about a year ago. I am an avowed bottom feeder in the collector car market and think these are a rare value in this inflated market. I have owned three early Miatas and love them, but when a Boxster is less money, that just spells bargain. Mine is an early 2.5L, so not particularly fast but it is tight, balanced, smooth, and fun at a level or two above the Miata. Good ones with great maintenance history and low miles are still sub-$15k.
I’m at 123000, had to spend a bit recently since it’s already 10 years old but it’s still an absolute blast to drive.
damn i didn't know fiat got down like that
I'm very glad Doug mentioned the RX8! I have a 2004 and I'm pushing 326hp out of my engine modified but still naturally aspirated! I daily it and have put 20k km on it without any major issue, I just keep up with maintenance and drive her hard and she makes my daily commute absolutely wonderful :)
whp? Would be very interested into what you've done to make that. Where can I find out more if you wouldn't mind sharing?
@@_initial_dow it's a very custom setup but I'll give a summary here if you'd like.
Full solid dowel, 4 port irons (I'll explain why later), full race port, full bridge port, peripheral port, cut Inlet runners, GSLSE rotor housings, slotted rx8 rotors, race clearanced rotors, lightened rotors, and full assembly with clutch included balanced. I use the 4 port irons with the peripheral port to retain the stock shutter valve setup while gaining higher power. Custom intake manifold and exhaust Headers, Racing beat revi intake, and racing beat midpipe and catback. I run 94 octane fuel (94 octane canadian). Ignition is all black halo racing. My redline for that figure was 11k rpm but i only run to 10k normally for safety. All the work otherwise including engine build was done myself! I think that covers the basics?
That’s awesome man! I’m just saying though, that’s literally 1 year of driving
@@chaosworkshop333please make a video of it i would love to see it
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Fiesta ST is an honorable mention! Rented one on Turo during vacation and now have one in the garage next to our S2000. The torque, short wheelbase and lift off oversteer make it one of the most fun cars for the money!
Hope to add an rx8 r3 to the garage at some point. Test drove one several years back and still think about it.
I have a Focus ST, which definitely should have made this list. And, yes, get an RX-8. Still miss mine. Incredible car.
THIS... I own a mk8 ST and I've test driven an abarth. It completely blows it out the water in terms of drive. Not available in the US though which is why it won't have made this list. Only the Mk7 was if I recall correctly.
@@themrchicken96 mk7 ST is a hoot.
I'll take it a step further and say ANY Mk7/Mk8 Fiesta. The ST is, of course, the best version, but even a SE base model is a joy to toss around. Ford absolutely nailed it with the Fiesta chassis.
@@themrchicken96I have a MK7 st in the US. I also drove the Abarth to compare when I was shopping. The ST is way better driving experience. The Abarth is only better in terms of noise from the factory.
Also I'm so glad you mentioned the rx8. I drove a 2011RX8 R3 model 5 years ago and that car left such an impression on me. They drive SO WELL and people don't realize it.
How often do they drive? I bet it’s not all the time.
LS swap it for the perfect car
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Lol. Not really. The car is fun to drive, part in due to its low power. You can max it out and not be going speeds that will kill you in an instant.
Definitely biased, though. But at least don't put a generic no name brand engine into a car like the rx8 lol. A 1JZ? Go for it lol
The rx8 is still fun, just got to maintain it. Super light weight, and can keep up a lot of car of today.
I've had my first-gen RX8 for 15 years now, and yes, it's been rebuilt. Has over 170k hard driven miles on it and Doug is right - the handling is unreasonably sharp for a cheaper sports car. I love it!
Imo the best experience is a lotus Elise/exige. Other than maybe an Ariel atom it would be hard to find a car more raw. The elise/exige has SO much feedback, it's so raw, so sharp, so communicative, so beautifully balanced, cool looking, high revving, tons of grip, plenty fast (especially the SC models). These cars on good tires... you can't find a better driving experience.
Tbh 1st gen viper is too
@@nikku879 In UK viper is an expensive car especially compared to an elise, i guess this list is going to be different for each country.
Totally agree (see profile pic for mine). I can’t think of a car I’d enjoy driving more at any price. Easy to work on too. Reliable, super low running costs, cheap insurance, responsive to mods, fairly comfortable, basically the perfect car minus some annoying issues that come from being a low-production car on a tight budget made by a tiny team
@@MrBubs-yu4wm Elise is a great car, but after daily driving one for 5 years i wouldnt want to do it again. The evora is a better all round car imo although i do sometimes find myself looking at exiges. At moment im lusting after an ultima.
@@1183newman I would not recommend daily driving an Elise :)
As a purely fun car though, very hard to beat for certain kinds of drivers. I’m sure you remember!
Something to note on videos, which demonstrate Doug's excellent time management, is since the background really isn't changing, a lot of these videos are done at once. 4 to 6 in a single long session. Then all the editing gets done, and the videos are just scheduled. This is the sign of someone who's been doing this for a long time, and values their time.
Before someone says it, yes, he changes his shirt. Only because that's the thing you wouldn't notice the most if it were the same in all videos in a shoot.
Hi there! Female auto enthusiast here and I own a 2013 fiat 500 Abarth and has been the best first car for me. So incredibly fun, loud, and definitely a eye catcher. Modifications are so nice on abarths as well:)
I have owned both a Fiat 500C Abarth and currently own a 1994 Dodge viper RT10. Both are well worth getting and enjoying but if I could somehow get the Abarth back, I'd be a happy guy. Hands down the most fun for the buck. The exhaust is so crazy cool and you can put a piggyback ECU on the engine and amp the experience to eleven. Thanks Doug for listing both great choices.
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I love the Lotus Elise, it's small, fun, affordable
True! i can´t really connect with the 500 Abarth because for me its a bit too shaky and too nimble and "tossable" and its give you a headache after some time. Its not smooth enough if thsi makes sense at least for me.
Same. His passion really comes through and it’s really inspiring. Peak Car Guy
Probably not mentioned for price reasons. They have ballooned to double / triple of what you could get them for
@@tolga1coolno they haven’t. They were historically a 30-35k used car and now it’s a 40-45k used car. You buy for 40k, drive for a few years and sell it again for 40k.
@@taylorgang2237 In Germany you used to be able to get them from 10k onwards
I had an AP2 S2000 ('08) then a Gen2 viper ('02), but now own a Mazdaspeed Miata ('04) and it's the best driving experience of the three. The others might be better on a track, but the Miata is better on public roads. It's certainly not cool, but It is just so much fun to rip around in, and it only cost me $10k.
I enjoy it so much that I'll take it out in the winter with the top down (too tall to fit in it with top up), something I never would've bothered to do with the S2000 or the Viper.
How can it be better than a S2000?! Makes no sense...
@@bigbunny4000 s2000 is pricy for it is. Miata not so expensive
@@bigbunny4000 Trouble with the S2000 is you basically have to keep it above 60000RPM to make any real power. And just driving around residential neighbourhoods at 6500RPM all the time can be considered a bit obnoxious. lol I figure the Mazdaspeed's turbo means you don't need to constantly be bouncing off red-line to get any decent performance ;).
@@bigbunny4000 Yeah, I was surprised too. I haven't driven a regular NB so I'm not sure how it compares, but the Mazdaspeed is just great. The hydraulic steering gives way better feel than the awful 1st-gen electric PS on the S2000. The S2K's shifter feel is only slightly better than the Mazda's. The F22C1 sounds kind of bad at high RPM, like it's going to fall apart, but the BP-4W is more neutral and the turbo whistle sounds good. The Mazdaspeed is only like 300 pounds lighter but it feels SO much lighter. The way the suspension rolls a little then plants going into a turn feels great. S2000 clutch is OK but the Miata's is like butter. And the Mazaspeed just does a better job of feeling fast when you're going slow, which is what you want on the street where you're not racing anyone and have speed limits to worry about.
I can sort of support my opinion with those of UA-cam journalists: Mark from SavageGeese says the ND Miata is better than the S2000 on the street, and Jakub from TheStraightPIpes says the Mazdaspeed is more fun than the ND, so combining those two together, the Mazdaspeed is more fun than the S2000 lol
@@StreetPreacherrmu friend had a mazdaspeed miata..
And i agree...its a ton of fun. However, to keep it fun...you definitely had to keep the revs up to keep the increased power up. And that is similar to keeping the revs up in the s2k. I took a s2k for a test drive...and in that length of time, i decided it was better than the mazdaspeed miata.
Nissan 350z. So much fun to drive. Bought my 2006 m/t coupe with low miles and clean title for $8k a few years ago and I swear nothing in this price range beats how fun it is to drive. Absolutely love the car. Even the ones Doug mentioned on this list, in this price point, are nowhere near as reliable as a well-taken care of Z.
350z are great but in the past 2 years their community has been going to shit. VQ's at sideshows and takeovers are giving a bad name.
also most for sale nowadays are clapped out lol.
Was looking at one to replace my e46
@@BlackonBlackE46 Absolutely true. The takeover crowd VQs are an embarrassment to car enthusiasts. And most Z33s for sale are shitboxes. I looked on marketplace recently and it was even more trash to sift through than when I bought mine in 2019.
It's important to buy cars when interest rates and prices are low. My financial advisor also gave me the same advice. When rates and prices are low, it can save you money on financing and make the overall cost more affordable.
My financial advisor advises buying cars when interest rates and prices are low. However, he also cautions against it right now due to the hidden costs of car ownership, like insurance and maintenance. He helps me plan for these expenses and manages my portfolio to ensure financial stability. It's all about making strategic decisions and having a well-rounded financial plan.
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Early Vipers cannot be topped for pure driving experience. One must spend time learning the idiosyncrasies of the car and that process is what its all about for me. Unlike almost every other car Ive owned the early Vipers never seem to get boring. Also when setup right and driven properly these can hang with the best of the best newer Supercars on a twisty road.
It's like an abusive relationship! If you take the time to learn all the little ways you have to behave so that they don't FUCKING KILL YOU you'll have a WONDERFUL time!
The issue is even the worst ratty ones have doubled in value since 2021. You can get a lot more car for $60,000 than a first gen Viper these days. Not something as cool, mind you. Doug says you can find them in the mid 30s. I cannot find any in the mid 30s here that are in any sort of decent shape or haven't been rebuilt.
@@GOLD_FEVER Interesting, I must see if I can find some videos about the Viper quirks :)
I liked the entire list. For me driving experience has mostly to do with handling and was surprised honestly to not see any Lotus mentioned. While I would not put my 03 Esprit on the list, any of the other Lotus models are a lot of car for the money, have Toyota reliability, (unlike my Esprit) and handle like a dream.
They went up like crazy in the LHD market and after saving enough to buy one they were selling for 60+ (Elise and Exige) so I think they are gone for me lol. 😅
@@garygorrent9917no worries, the market has cooled in the past year. You can get a nice Elise in the high 30’s - low 40’s again if you don’t mind a little mileage or small issues (you shouldn’t with these cars). Exiges remain more expensive than their Elise counterparts and IMO aren’t as good value usually
Doug isn’t really the type of guy who enjoys the whole Lotus thing. He more appreciates power and acceleration, tech, etc., basically everything that was removed to make Lotus cars so good :/
Doug drove an Elise across the USA on the freeway, the worst possible drive in one, which ruined Lotus for him forever.
@@patricklinkous yeah I remember that. I don’t know what he was possibly thinking
As a 987 owner, it's good to see the 987 love!! There is a risk of bore scoring and oul starvation but I love the looks, handling, steering and interior quality. I have taken mitigation steps to prevent oil starvation and track the car 4-5 events per year. So fun!
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He's not wrong about the Fiat 500 Abarth. Recently bought one on Cars and bids. First Fiat I've ever driven and the Abarth is the only version of the 500 I would have considered. But the car is just a lil hooligan machine. It's fun to just let it wind up in each gear and hear the lil 1.4 liter scream. As for price I did spend a lil more than I expected. And following Abarths on the website have been selling for higher prices too.
It depends a lot on the country, an s2000 is like 40 grand in Belgium, when you can get v12 mercs for a tenth of that. Mr2's and NB mx5 are quite affordable tho
Third gen MR2 had a meh shifter, good to swap it out...also good to swap the clutch
i've seen RHD S2000's for 18k in Belgium though?
2016 Boxster Spyder owner here. Purchased a used one in 2020 and nothing I drove while shopping was more fun than the Spyder, including a 996 GT3 and 991 Carrera GTS.
Honorable mention: Fiesta ST. Definitely one of the best party trick cars out there
Was hoping my baby would make the list. God I love how I oversteers at (past) the limit.
Doesn't sound as good as the abarth though
@@giankymarkettrue but it drives way better, and is more useful so I drive it more.
I like the solo Doug videos.
Yeah solo doug vids are nice
I like your mom solo too
I dare you to type that into google with safesearch turned off
Yea, the chick is over energic and a parrot repeating most of what Doug says.
@@SueSnider-w8g she making me feel like im back in kindergarden 🤣
I own a loaded 981 cayman s and it’s an amazing car. Fast, reliable, unbelievable handling and it works really well as a daily driver. Its amazing how much you can pack in the front and back storage areas. Oh and it gets good gas mileage if you don’t push it.
This is a very solid list. I have nearly bought a 500 Abarth on multiple occasions. I had an RX8. I have an R53 and a C5 Z06 at the moment. I've wanted to get into a newer Boxster S for a while, but the practicality of the Corvette (and price) holds me back.
I have a 2019 Audi TTS. Its a criminally underrated car and it deserves more attention. Its good looking, has great technology, its fast, has a good amount of power, sounds great and most importantly.......its insanely reliable. I've owned mine since new and currently has 55,000 miles. I have had no mechanical/electrical issues during my 4 year ownership thus far. Absolutely fantastic car.
I agree with your comment that many drivers aren't concerned anymore with 0-60 times , I myself am one of them. I've mostly felt this way since I began driving in the late '80s. Many times I've been amazed driving a vehicle that seemed overlooked or dismissed by perception.
I have a 987.1 Boxster S with the 3.2L engine. Such an amazing car for the money. Much less likely to suffer from bore scoring than a Cayman S with the 3.4, bought mine for £13000, which is about $16k with 79k miles on.
Yes, the Cayman is stiffer and arguably better looking, but with the top down on a winding road on a sunny day its hard to beat.
Same here, 987.1 Boxster S with 3.2l.. this is my third Boxster.. unfortunately, contrary to your expectations, this one suffered from bore scoring considerably (less than 40k miles on it) and I had to have the engine rebuilt with steel cylinder liners. Now it's a keeper which can easily do half million miles if maintained properly.
@@echotwo5813 bore scoring is always a possibility but definitely less common on the 3.2L engine. They are brilliant cars notwithstanding that. I would likely have mine rebuilt if it started suffering with scoring.
Recently sold my 2014 981 Cayman S manual. 981, or 718 GT4 manual up next for me.
@@truthserum5310 GT4 is an excellent car. Slightly above my 'throw away toy' budget unfortunately but beautiful car.
I'd say the only thing missing is a Lotus Elise or a Locost/Caterham style Seven. Sevens are literally street legal go karts to the point of absurdity and they make a 1st gen Viper look luxurious by comparison. Yet I know people who drive them 1000+ miles in a week to attend our local Sevens meetup every year. Very usable cars and the closest you can get IMO to a street legal race car.
A really fun car I enjoyed driving was the MG F. Great little mid engined roadster. Weighed next to nothing, had an awesome, torque-y little motor, nice manual transmission, handled really well - you sat so low to the ground it felt quick even when going slow. They cost absolutely bugger all too.
Haven’t watched yet, but I hope he mentions the Lotus Elise. You can tell by my profile picture that I’m completely objective about this and not biased at all
M A Z D A M I A T A. Period.
I was surprised this wasn't on the list either. I guess it comes down to the price. Especially the new ones are kind of expensive
Viper driving experience is unique and so awesome
The Alfa Romeo Guilia QV also is this type of car, it drives beautifully
Honestly as much as I'd scoffed at "har har V6 dumb, V8 only" I recently picked up a one-owner, 45k mile 2010 Camaro V6 for a smidge over $10k and have been loving it. Surprisingly good MPG, 300hp, and it looks great.
That's what I don't get. If you can't have fun with 300 bhp then you're doing it wrong.
@@drunkenhobo5039 Bingo. Doesn't matter to me how many explosion circles the power's coming from!
4:49 987 Cayman owner here! The capabilities of the vehicle and WOW factor in my experience has been the worth it. Especially if you can find a good deal with the prices coming down 😊🎉
I love these solo videos.
So glad you mentioned the 500 Abarth :)) thats on my bucket list of cheap fun
Immediately thought of Miata, but also the Lotus Elise, Toyota MR2, and 1st Gen NSX. Heard those early NSX’s were very well balanced.
The fact that low mileage 6 cylinder BMW Z3s go for around $10K is crazy. They drive great and are so pretty. I bought a '23 GR86 (on cars & bids) to replace my '02 Z3 3.0, and it's a great car but not nearly as fun as the roadster. I now plan to sell the 86.
I just picked up a 1998 528i with the dual vvt 2.8L and loads of options in mostly great condition for under $2K AUD in our expensive market.
At 280 thou KM it is still smooth as butter. Sometimes I have to look at the tach sitting at the lights, as I think it's conked out there's so little NVH. After I've fixed it up and got it running sweet it has plenty of grunt and sounds fantastic. I can imagine how even better the M52 or M54 would be in a lighter car with manual trans.
I agree -- the Cayman is the best bang-for-the-buck in the Porsche world. But Porsche enthusiasts all want a 911 of some sort. Hence the reason why you can get a Cayman so cheaply. If I were in the market for a weekend toy sports car, it'd definitely be a Cayman of some sort. Probably not the GT4, because I don't have $100K to spend on a toy, but that 987 Cayman S is definitely on my radar. One of the later models with the PDK transmission.
Man I wait for those videos every Sunday. Opens up nice conversations with friends too
I love this video so much. So practical for people of all price ranges who want to DRIVE, not COLLECT
I've the 30+ cars I've owned so far in my lifetime, two stand out... the second-gen MX-5 Miata, and the Ford Fiesta ST. But are "cheap," but WAY more fun to drive than anything at or near their respective price and/or category levels.
I was shopping both, picked the ST. Was 8/9-10ths as fun as the Miata but I can go on a Costco run with it so I drive it way more so I have more fun total.
Please update this list every few years, it's an excellent idea!
Big fan of these new format videos. It's informative and easy to watch. Thanks Doug
"A manual Corolla" - Alanis King 😂
Kia Carnival 😂
The people giving the S2000 hate are either people who have just driven it once or so, or...the VAST majority have never driven it at all. Ask pretty much any OWNER of one, and it's one of the greatest driving experiences you can have on 4 wheels.
A little surprised all the FA20 platform cars aren't on here. You can find early FR-S and BRZs for the mid teens, and nothing at that price level offers the incredible handling. Just a few modifications can get you close to 190hp to the wheel, and totally transforms the usually underpowered feel of them
Doug doesn't like modified cars and he's on the record as not liking the FA20 driving experience.
I owned an original BRZ, NA, NC3 and ND MX5 all at the same time. I now own an S2000. That BRZ was a pos compared to the MX5s or S2000. The new BRZ might be different though.
@@patricklinkous have you watched the reviews? He hails them for their driving experience. Specifically mentions his only issue is the lack of power
@@cameroncarter4727 I think the new WRX has FA24 with Turbo has the most reasonable price and performance.
Too bad the cars looked ugly....
@@cameroncarter4727Correct, he doesn't like the FA20 driving experience.
I agree with a lot of Doug's choices.
The c6 isn't a car I look at often because of the c5 z06. I think anyone would agree that 500 HP for $35,000 is a bargain.
Lotus elise, exige and Evora should be in this video
Hi Doug, a few comments from an old enthusiast, here in the Hudson Valley any S2000 in the $20k range will have over 100k miles. For buyers in $10 price range a well kept C4 Corvette is a great fun car and can be found with low mileage as we can't drive them all year. I love these videos.
Looking forward to your Grand Highlander, Lexus TX, and ID Buzz Longwheelbase videos!
Cayman!!!!
718 or 981, GTS or GT4. YES!!!!!
That's the car for me!!! 😊
I’m not sure I could logically argue with that list. I would like to see a similar list… but for LUXURY cars, which obviously would be difficult to quantify value or differentiate area for what really represents luxury. But I’m sure it’d be one interesting (and ageless) video. Cheers.
Yeah, I'd like to see a list based on the interior quality, comfort and smoothness.
I own an NA retired track Miata and NA turbo miata, haven driven a gen 3 viper and plenty of s2000’s, m2’s etc. Just recently picked up the new MK5 Supra MT and my god is it good. I can best describe as an step in between from something like an s2000 and a viper. I was planning to flip it but it’s getting added to the lineup of forever cars. It’s the best performance bmw on sale right now from a driving feel perspective and it’s the cheapest! It’s so nimble and direct but if you push it it’s also so tail happy and easy to control in a slide. I know $60k is a lot for 400 horse but from a drivers feel perspective I feel it’s a bargain.
I have an FR-S. I know it gets a lot of flack for not having enough power (rightfully so) but I've owned it for 6 years and it's worth nearly as much now as when I bought it.
boring cars
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@@Realz-bb3uf Yeah, but they're dependable, fun to drive, cheap, and (to me) look good. They're also fairly practical for a sportscar.
@@Realz-bb3uf not boring at all, plus it's one of the few reliable sports cars remaining, and can be a daily driver as well.
@@Realz-bb3ufTell me you can’t drive without telling me you can’t drive
I love my 2011 Ford Fiesta 1.25L limited. The base model with 60hp and airco that I got for 3.5 grand. It's slow in a straight line, the shiftlever has about a quarter to half an inch play both ways when it's in gear. Closer to the limit, it tends to understeer.
But on a roundabout or tight corners, that's where the fun is at. The NA 4cylinder coming to life at 4-5k rpm in 2nd gear. About 30mph, where most slow down to around 15 and just throwing it around and that feeling that comes with driving a slow car fast.
I never really thought about this subject given my lack of experience in any real or even pretend sports cars, but I think you made some good points and the Viper is one of my dream cars. Thanks for the info on the others as well! I might need to try to pick one up. 🤙
what a great video. this is the perspective most enthusiasts views cars, and ownership. this is the type of list only Doug Demuro can make, and I really like the very direct way it is explained, and the reality it represents. thank you Doug!
I hope Doug had a nice weekend with these bulk-recorded videos. As long as he changes his shirt of each one though!
put the Mustang GT value proposition into perspective. MSRP is $43k for a 480 hp with a manual. i purchased an FL5 Type R with 315 hp with a manual. the Type R will hold its value better than the GT, but that’s good value.
I never should have sold my Abarth. Nothing but smiles driving that car. I will own another one at some point
Same. Always regret selling mine.
Just got my ap1 s2000, out of three years of storage. Now in Corpus Christi, this thing is the best. From a BMX background, this is the most nimble car ever, perfectly balanced between steering and power, that requires you to work for. I’ve got an NA AMG, and it ain’t the same
surprised the e90/e92 bmw 335i didnt make this list, those things are probably the best value at their price point right now
Just like E63 645Ci/650i and their V8s, heaps of these "good value" cars suffered badly from the stupidly long oil service intervals and general unreliability of post 2000 BMWs
Dream to drive, nightmare to own
9:30 Club D.C., we appreciate the shout-out and we miss you on the East coast Doug!
I’m surprised the Ford Fiesta ST isn’t on here. I used to own a 2019 model, bought it new for just under $20k (I had a lot of discounts). And I sold it in late 2021 for $23k. I’ve owned a good amount of cars, and in terms of driving experience and pure joy, the Fiesta ST is easily the best. You can find these for under $10k all day, and low mileage ones for somewhere in the $15k to $18k. I have a Focus ST right now and Focus RS, both modified but in terms of a nimble little car that you can toss around and drive fast around corners, the Fiesta ST stands out even compared to the Focus. For the amount of fun I had in that car, I do regret parting ways with it but I carpool with some buddies to work so sizing up to the Focus ST was the best move for leg room for my backseat warriors.
I have a FoST (Which I absolutely love) and always wondered about the RS' driving experience. How do they compare?
I agree with the Fiat 500 Abarth. I use to own one. Bought it used and already modified for $7,500. Was the craziest feeling car I owned. Goofy looking car on the outside, but from the driver seat, it was quite an experience. The loud stock exhaust mixed with an open air filter, that loved heat soak, made all the right noises you want in a turbo car. The ECU piggyback gave the car a ridiculous turbo surge that made the car feel way faster than it was. (It made my S2000 feel slow even though the S2000 was seconds faster 0-60) With the delivery truck feeling height of the driver’s seat, it makes basic cornering feel intense. 5 speed manual. It was practical as long as nobody was riding in the back seat. I stuffed a couch in the back one time. I never had any issues with the car except with the piggyback. I had to pull the negative battery terminal every few weeks to reboot it. You got use to it. Hate I sold that car.
That being said, I also highly recommend the S2000 if you can find one for a good price. I’ve had mine for over 17 years with no intention of getting rid it it. Only major repairs it ever needed in 21years time was going through 3 sets of clutches and a new top. Mine has 258,000 miles on it and I still drive it hard. Super easy to work on. Keep the fluids changed, and it will be good to you. Sometimes, I wish it did have more torque though, but it is a quick car with great handling. I still get people ask me what it is from time to time.
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Spot on
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Only, it's $15-20k no matter what you buy... they are like owning boats, have to have a fund ready to keep em happy and/or throw all the longevity mods at them from low miles/day-one
True that, I own one, trouble free so far. It a maintenance car, if you can't work on car, never own one of them.
I work for a large dealer/ we sell new and used. 1500 car inventory. I bought my car by mistake when salesman asked me to move it because he didn’t drive manual. I was not looking for it. But couldn’t believe how smooth and nimble it was. I even drove higher trim level aka more expensive and appreciated the bargain of my current vehicle. I have a 19’ Subaru WRX, 6 speed, turbo for 20 grand ish + bumper to bumper warranty, all wheel drive and ton of fun. Only mods = air intake and blow off valve. I’ve driven cars that cost 5-10x the price/ and enjoy this ride
My '17 6spd Fiat 124 Spider has been the most fun for what i paid w/ my '84 K5 Blazer being a close second
2016 Abarth 124 has the best bits of the Abarth 500 and MX5 Miata mixed into 1 car... that should 100% get a mention I think
Yes its always been great content! I wouldn't be watching more than a decade if it wasn't!
A 987.1 is a great car, as long as you know what you’re getting into.
Make sure you do the research before purchasing! There are a few known issues, specifically with cars in colder climates as well as specifically with the 3.4l S. The Porsche tax is very real as well. Those issues aside, if you can afford it and you do your research, the 987.1 is an excellent sportscar.
If you’re gonna mention the Mustang, you have to mention the Gen 6 Camaro! The SS 1LE is an incredible value, but I would argue a 1LT V6 manual with the Performance Exhaust is a seriously undervalued car. From experience I can tell you it was cheap to buy and own. Had a smile on my face every day I drove it!
The 6th gen Camaro is underrated and overlooked because of the bad visibility and GM interior. It arguably has a much better chassis than the Mustang.
I have owned a 987 Cayman S and totally agree on that car. I have also had a 500 Abarth for a little while and totally disagree on that car. It's massively understeered, top heavy, plasticy and feels cheaply put together. I just didn't feel confident in corners at all. A cooper S is less shouty but feels far more solid and stable, far more balanced and therefor more fun to drive.
10:16 No Doug, $42k is an absurd amount of money for a base GT Mustang. It’s the rich who buy cars, but us normal folk do not have $40-$50k
I paid 42k for my Challenger 11 years ago. I was NOT rich.
@@-Jason-L You sure? I know people who pull $20k+/mo who think they’re not wealthy. Alternatively, you wildly over leveraged yourself. Also, shelter costs were a lot lower back then.
@@garythecyclingnerd6219 i was making 90k. 42k is below average for a new car
@@garythecyclingnerd6219 yes and no.
It sucks to see how expensive even base model mustangs have become. To see base models in the 30k range with 4 cylinders feels wild and crazy but...
These are not the Mustangs of yesteryear. The level of performance that these cars provide rivals crazy expensive exotics of 15-20 years ago.
@@RedRise91 Illustrative of the wealth divide and financial illiteracy of the US. The upper class could buy any trim and not feel the impact. If you’re a responsible person in the 80%…forget it
I gotta say my 98' Lexus LS400 is the best driving experience I've ever had. You can find a LS400 for cheap and have one of the greatest vehicles ever built
For the budget section, under $20,000AUD at least, too many people overlook the Picanto GT. More reliable than a Abarth, a really good sound, ultra efficient, very light, paired with good looks imo. Bought one last year and put 43,000kms on it and it's never missed a beat, and that torque-y turbo I3 with its 5 speed manual never ceases to make me smile. It's a modern classic hot hatch in all the best ways 😁
I recently got a S550 Mustang Gt as my first sports/performance/whatever you want to call it car. Coming from trucks and economy sedans, the power is pretty mind boggling. The sound is great. Seats and tech are plenty good for me (heated/cooled seats, active exhaust with quiet mode). Decent trunk space with the rear seats down. And got it with under 20k miles for like $35k.
Just seems like a great deal of a car to me
Raise your hand if you've been watching Doug DeMuro for a long time🤚
Me prob 5-6 years
Gen 2 coyote Mustang (2015-2017) with low-ish miles in pretty good shape can be easily bought in the low 20's. Add about $15k in mods (TVS supercharger, injectors, boost a pump, tune, maybe some performance mufflers to torture the neighbors) and you're rocking a reliable 850hp car for under $40k. The same trick can be done with a C5 Vette but the Stang will be newer. And it has a backseat. And a trunk. And won't scrape on speedbumps. And flies under the radar of insurance rates. If you don't want the hassle of building just look for a Roush Stage 3, same thing with better suspension, looks and desirability for an extra 8k or so.
Hello. Great list ! I own a Focus RS and I think it deserves a place in your list. Incredible driving fun and power for the bucks. :-)
any head gasket issues?
@@Spartansrule118 hello. It was fixed before I bought it. :-)
My 2002 Rav 4 cost 3.4k, I can do donuts in the snow and go on some fun, mellow off-road trails. Also has a wagon door which makes it super easy for my dogs to get into.
188k miles now
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A Fiat 124 Spider Abarth would be a good choice
As an Abarth owner i can confirm, it’s insanely fun to drive i still can’t believe how good mine sounds stock
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Doug we still haven’t heard your thoughts on the new Land Cruiser
I think the Honda Beat is another good one. It's not the sportiest driving experience, but good luck finding a smaller or lighter little sports car for
Doug is the type of guy to know cool spots to see concerts in DC
Doug is the type of guy to show up for a concert at the 930 Club at 9:30 AM
For well less than $15k, you can buy a low miles, 6 speed early 90's c4 corvette. I own a 93 and it handles great for it's age, makes lots of rumbly noises and does burnouts for days. Great car for the money. And very reliable! But if you need a part.... Every autozone parts store and provide what you need!
@@Brian_Eugene_Lee You are genuinely insufferable.
Dough. What do you think about the 2014 Acura ILX 2.4L 6 spd manual? I bought one for $16’000 in 2020 with 40’000 miles. I think it’s a highly underrated car
I had one of these and loved it. I’d have kept it much longer had I not fallen in love with the ND1 Miata I bought and daily drive for 4 years. That ILX was a great car. If I’d have kept it I would have wanted to upgrade the suspension to something more performance oriented. I wasn’t tracking it or anything, but there was just too much body roll for my taste.
Tell us what you think? How does it compare to similar Honda manuals? I have an 06 RSX base 5speed, 165k miles, all stock. Shifter and steering are pretty good. Brake feel is kinda soft. Sounds nice when you ring it out and quote fun to drive.
06 accord 6 speed V6 sedan had the best shifter ever. Only drove it for 30k miles. Miss it. Probably needed an LSD.
00 s2000 don't remember that much, bought new, put 92k on it before motor blew. I enjoyed taking it out just to drive.
03 accord 4cyl 5speed. Best smooth 4cylnder. Shifter was rubbery and nothing special about steering it exhaust note
@@timothycoyne5874 i drive my ILX up and down Pikes Peak Mountain and i gotta say that the handling is superb for a 4dr sedan. The only upgrade I did to it change the wheels to 18 inch low profile rims with michellin super sport tires
Started off hot with the Fiat! I track mine regularly and pass a LOT of cars I shouldn't. Amazing little vehicle that is way more fun to drive than any other car I have
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Now watch those prices go waaaaay up after this video!
4:49 I had a cayman 987 and I gotta say the car was FAR from fast, specially, in a straight line. Everything else about the car was amazing it just lacked power.
Doug is the kind of guy to wake up from a nap to make a video and not even worry about his hair.
Doug is the kind of guy who doesn't need to replace his palm w\ a hairbrush
maybe Doug is the auto-world's Walker??
Not original. Not humorous. Make millions happy and keep your inane comments to yourself
1987 to 1993 Mustang LX 5.0. No gaudy overdone spoilers and side skirts like on the GT. It’s a graceful looking hot rod and those are the best taillights ever put on a Foxbody.
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Both the Toyota mr2 mark 1 and mark 2 should also be on this list
I had a 500e EV and it was a lot of fun to drive. No manual shifting but still SO tossable. Arguably more fun than the Miata I had after.
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Couldn't pay me to drive an EV. So glad I got rid of that garbage
Honestly I would be terrified to drive a viper. Obviously if someone offered me the opportunity I would though but I would definitely wouldn’t push the accelerator very hard
Doug, what about the Jag F-Type?
Shhhh I’m trying to buy one this winter. I want the prices to keep dropping lol
@@caelenow2829 you and me both! 🤣
I would include the Audi S5. Much, much more performance than an A5 but less money than an RS5 and does just about as much.