Hi all, seeing all these comments from people that completely misunderstood my video, here's an explanation. I'm extremely happy living in the Netherlands. I also made a video about the pros of living in the Netherlands, but no one watched that one. People want to focus on the negative. I only made this video to say what I don't like about the NL, but that doesn't mean I don't like the country at all. I love living here and I'm so grateful. And no, I'M NOT GOING BACK TO MY COUNTRY! If anyone feels the need to feed their ego, watch my video about why you should live in the NL. For the ones that are considering moving, if any of these points are crucial for you, maybe you should consider another place. For me, the pros are a lot higher and these points are not a big deal, that's why I chose to come and stay here. Thank you. 🙏
@@murateren5712 Hé, every now and then we need a fresh pair of eyes telling us how we can improve - so you are actually doing us a favor. That's how I see it.
I am Dutch and I can agree with your 5 points. I won't add a 'but', because I can imagine that for a lot of other countries a list of negative points can be way worse. So I count my blessings.
@@epbbarcia174 you could... the fact you send couple of hundreds home, Worthing as much as two gold bars, your values is the same in the Netherlands as in Philippines, and you know and feel that...
Having lived in London I can see many similarities between the UK and Dutch culture based on what you described in your video. Guess there is no such thing as the perfect place, we just need to set priorities when choosing where to live. Thanks for sharing Murat
If you look within Amsterdam, yes, it's probably ridiculously hard to find an apartment, but I have a lot of friends from many cultures and countries and I noticed that a common mistake to make is to think the ONLY viable places to live is in the city itself (or it's outskirts). The biggest difference with many other countries is that most countries have bigger cities and less many big cities compared to their country's size. So there, to get a proper job, everyone has to live very close to the big cities. In the Netherlands however, even though there are much less people living here, we live on a way smaller surface area, making many places (as long as it's in the so-called "Randstad") very densely lived. So DO NOT only search in Amsterdam! The amazing public transport/train system can give you a smooth travel to Amsterdam while you can live in a just as dense and lively city that is relatively close to Amsterdam in travel-time. I am talking about Rotterdam, Gouda, Leiden, Utrecht, The Hague. From Rotterdam Central Station to Amsterdam Central Station is a high speed line and you can be from one station to another in less than 40 minutes.(and Rotterdam is comparatively quite far from Amsterdam than some other cities) The trains are comfy and relatively reliable and many jobs compensate your travel costs. Small country = better infrastructure. Roads, rails, highways AND bicycle paths. Most people go by train, take a rental bike and bike the last 10 minutes in Amsterdam to their office. We might have too much rain :) But we don't have: Tornadoes, Tsunami's, Sandstorms, Volcano's, Forrest fires, Earthquakes, Snow storms, Blizzard storms and (almost) no dangerous animals. Basically the only nature disaster you might die off, is some mediocre flooding due to rain fall, but we tackled that problem 70 years ago already and now being flooded is quite a miracle. Bummer... x) But I prefer that 'a little too much rain', if you don't mind. Side note: I am living in Berlin, Germany atm and I had a terrible time finding an apartement there. We had an German speaking person we paid to find an apartment and come with us on visits for translation and still it took us over 6 months and, I kid you not, about 100 viewings of apartments. This lack-of-apartments problem is in all major cities in western EU and is BY FAR not unique to Amsterdam. The difference is, if we wanted to have a good connection to my husbands office, he has to travel an hour to get in Berlin and then another 45 minutes to anywhere INSIDE Berlin. Because no matter how lovely their Public Transport; The city is just too big to get anywhere in a reasonable amount of time, without living in at least the outskirts of the city. A stark contrast to all my experiences in NL, because everything is smaller and much more manageable.
Thanks for talking about these issues, many people just don’t talk about them. Been here for over two years and I love Netherlands but I agree with your points especially on the fact that relationships with others being quite superficial.
Thank you for your comment 😊 me too, I love my (new) country but like every place there are some down sides to it. Thankfully the positive sides are much more 😊
@@sumimaind Also they are pretty delusional about themselves. I've noticed the ones who praise the Netherlands the loudest are.. the Dutch. I've been living here 10 months and most people I met were fake nice and covertly mean and arrogant.
@@sumimaind lol . Most Dutch people has never traveled and has been in their small village or town so their mind is closed. This is very normal for small sized countries.
I'm Dutch, I totally agree with all points. I think the microaggressions are very real, and something that Dutch people will hopefully become more sensitive about in the future. I think part of this however is Dutch directness and bluntness. Of course this does not explain the racist undertones, but I do think a lot of these questions are genuine curiosity. I know plenty of Dutch people who have no non-Dutch friends. And they have no clue how other cultures work, or what other people's worlds look like. And in Dutch culture it's generally acceptable to ask questions like this to people who live different lives to yours. Vegans are asked if they don't miss meat, Christians are asked if they don't have sex before marriage etc. even when you meet people for the first or second time. I'm definitely not saying there is no racism in questions like this, or that your experience being on the receiving end of these is not real. I'm just trying to say that Dutch directness might be part of the equation here and can be very hard to get used to if you're not Dutch. Because it lays prejudices bare and puts them in the open. I do think it's also a chance to get rid of those prejudices, and it's also perfectly acceptable to tell people that that was a pretty personal question, or confront them with their racism. "Dutch Americano" has a good video about the topic. As an aside, the comments about Moroccans or cleaning toilets have absolutely nothing to do with Dutch directness, and are just super fucking racist. Fuck those people. I'm sorry that happened and I seriously hope we get better at this as a country. Those people need to be called out publicly and confronted with their racist views.
Racist clowns in every country, I lived two years in the hague and had many dutch friends, the directness is real and great when dealing with the ladies, I miss den haag every day, I will make it back soon.im irish living in usa now. HE LP
It also doesn't help that plenty of second generation immigrants (at the moment I don't know a better term for this) keep feeding the "flames of racism", something often left out of the discussion. These flames shouldn't exist in the first place, I fully agree with that. What I mean by this is that these people often exclude themselves from the Dutch culture, barely make any effort to fit in and cling to the roots of where they came from, grouping together, only speaking Arabic amongst eachother and holding pro-Erdogan demonstrations in The Netherlands. If there is a football/soccer match between The Netherlands and Turkey for instance, 99% of those second generation immigrants will support Turkey despite being Native born Dutch people. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing and it might be the result of not feeling welcome due to racism, but to many Dutch people this comes across as not wanting to be part of the Dutch culture and society. This is just based on my personal experiences though and in no way representative of The Netherlands as a whole. To give another example, I have a friend with Turkish roots who as a child was adopted by two Dutch parents. Because he grew up with two white parents he doesn't speak Arabic and isn't a Muslim and he feels shunned and unwelcomed by the Turkish/Moroccan community because of this.
the part about the taxes is not entirely true, yes we pay high taxes here in the Netherlands but what you get in return for that is way better compared to the rest of most of the 1st world. our school system is one of the best, our infrastructure and roads is of the safest en best in the world. health care is also among the best in the world, and the best part is that it is available for everyone and you wont be 100000 euro's in debt afterwards. so yes we pay more taxes compared to most country's but we get way more in return for it.
You forget about our social system, if you get fired, can't work due to any handicap, become a senior etc. we do have a social payment plan. As well the support plans for people with a low income for rent or health insurance, child support everybody can ask for etc.. And the 50% income tax is only due to people with high incomes. There are lower tax rates at 32% and 42% for people with average (or just above average) incomes.
@@gilles111 .. U heeft gelijk, NL was een van de beste landen om in te leven en werken. Ik ben geboren op de Wallen te Amsterdam en heb enorm genoten van mijn jeugd. Mijn ouders hadden een zaak tegenover het Stadhuis dat toen opereerde op de Oude Zijdsvoorbugwal. Ik wilde als kind bij de Politie en het lukte mij, na mijn Militaire Dienst 1.5 te studeren voor Politie Agent om dan, gelukkig, te werken aan het Bureau Warmoesstraat. Maar daar zag je de andere kant van wat we gewend zijn van de NLse bevolking. Veel gereisd en zag hoe NL politiek bergafwaarts ging. Emigreren was voor de toekomst en dat heb ik dan gedaan. Prachktig leven, goedkoper, bekvechtende mensen, rachtige natuur, weer woon gelegenheden. In het buitenland kan een NLr Miljonair worden en er van genieten, iets dat minder mogelijk en aangenamer is in NL. Rascisme zoals in NL bestaat hier, in de tropen, Caribbean, Zuid en Centraal Amerika niet. Ik ben het volkomen eens met de heer die de video heeft gemaakt. Sorry en, het gaat U goed ...
There is also a HUGE discrimination against non Dutch speakers when trying to find a place to rent. I remember calling the Real Estate in English and they said there was no more viewings available. Then my boyfriend called them in Dutch and booooom, all of a sudden, they had free space. Such JERKS!
Oh I had no idea about that! It sucks big time if that's happening. My experience looking for a place changed drastically as my income increased. :D I remember renting my first place, it was a lot harder. The minute they see you in the 'expat' category things change, in my experience.
Not just in the housing market, but it can pretty much limit you in only labor type of jobs, where you wont get paid much either, but for sure you will be pushed to the limits, till you break yourself.
I've been living in Rotterdam for several months, and coming from a very different country like Italy, I needed some time to adapt. Finding accommodation it's quite annoying too, and the bureaucracy sometimes can be kind of tricky, especially for foreigners. As more than 50% of the people here was born abroad, the general attitude is kind of varied :D more than sometimes it has been quite easy to hear stereotypes about the Italian people and the idea we work and live in a "chilling" way, like we are living on holiday (trust me we DON'T). However I try not to bother too much :)
@@fatisummer9106 It is generally messy to find an accommodation in Rotterdam, but a lot depends by some details. For example: Are you a student and/or a worker? Are you looking for a house/apartment for your own or a room? Do you live outside EU? If you are going to work, do you already have a job or an agreement with some company? The beaurocracy can be quite annoying. However with the current situation many internationals might have left the country, so finding accomodation could be slightly easy.
Ciao! Sono italiana anche io.... È davvero così "frustrante" vivere lì? Io e il mio partner stiamo considerando l'idea di trasferirci all'estero in futuro, e i Paesi Bassi sarebbero un'opzione... Ma vorrei considerare diversi punti di vista di diverse persone! Grazie per l'eventuale risposta! 😅
@@gladydea Ciao Gladysha, le opinioni sui Paesi Bassi sono spesso contrastanti in quanto dipendano prevalentemente da fattori soggettivi. I punti indicati in questo video sono a mio parere veri e ce ne sarebbero molti altri da considerare. Se tu ed il tuo partner siete interessati a trasferirvi in Olanda in futuro, molto dipenderà anche dalla città che sceglierete: Amsterdam, Rotterdam e Den Haag (per citare le tre più famose) sono infatti MOLTO diverse tra loro. All'interno della comunità internazionale (inclusa quella italiana) alcuni adorano questo paese, altri se lo fanno andare bene, mentre altri ancora proprio non si trovano bene. Se vuoi, ti posso lasciare il mio indirizzo email dove ti posso rispondere in maniera più dettagliata. Fa sempre piacere dare una mano
As a Dutchie I agree with all points. Anecdotal: I had colleagues in Istanbul, one funny difference is Dutchies always check the "rain alert"-app to see whether they can cycle somewhere. Turkish colleagues (in Istanbul) were always checking the traffic-app; "what route do I need to take to get home in this crazy traffic" :-D
In my Spanish provine, Asturias, rain 2 of 3 days (all day long), we do not care if it rains (we expect so), and 1-3 days of full Sun light/year,.... I still remember a year in which a heat wave manage to cross the mountains, it was 26ºC,...
Totally agree with what you said. I am from Tunisia and I got the same type of micro aggressions. I can understand that it can be due to clumsiness sometimes. I think it is great that you are spreading awareness on this for future expats/international students. It was also very surprising to me to see how people over plan for literally anything here. It has its good sides, but spontaneity has a lot of good things to bring in life :)
@@Kaiussl That's exactly what l thought!,😂😂We better don't compliment him about his English or it will be considered "Microaggression" 🤦♀️smh... people emigrate and then they believe everybody in that country is a racist...🙄🤷♀️
Not sure if that’s a typical Dutch thing. I’m Dutch and lived in other countries like USA and currently in Switzerland, and here it’s exactly the same. Also not a big fan of it, but I wouldn’t classify it as typically “Dutch”.
Not only on monday morning, most of you dutch people don't want to be in contact with foreigners. Dutch people are 'hokjesman', they're only with their own people..
Murat, I'm a Dutchman and because of the Corona virus I'm still abroad against my will. But seeing your video I think I can change your mind about the Netherlands. As soon I am back I want to invite you and let you see another side of the Netherlands you maybe haven't seen. And I am sure you will change your mind. I'm looking forward to that.
@@murateren5712 it might make you see things from a different perspective though 😉 It'll make you understand things that we do or say from the source and not from an outside view I'm living for 11 years in Brazil and the only reason I got to understand the way they do things here was to blend in on their level and see things trough their eyes, it doesn't mean that I agree with them 100% though, but surely it's an eye-opener on a daily bases.
Classesanytime classesanytime you're right of course but I've been living here for 9 years, speak the language (not as well as I would like to), and I work and socialise with Dutch people. So I don't think I need to spend a day with a Dutch person :)
@@murateren5712 Good for you Murat 👍 I like your videos and hope you'll make many more !! You should be who you are and enjoy or dislike all in your own way as an individual. I just meant it as you could see the "Why" we do or say things from a different perspective, that's all.
Classesanytime classesanytime thanks! :) I try every day to understand why certain things are done. I understand some and some I don't. :) But no one can change who they are, and overall I'm very happy in this country. :)
i lived in netherlands for 3 years , i know people face racism microaggression as you say which is very unfortunate , so i just want to light up with one of the incident that made my day in past so i was new, and i was at the bus stop waited for 20 mints or so and there was no bus in sight . there was this very old man he didn't know english but he did not give up until i understood that at that particular stop (very remote place) the last bus was already gone , he used hand gestures also the picture board to point out that :D it was so sweet
Researches conducted by separate institutions showed that the candidates who have Turkish surnames were less likely to be called for a job interview, even if they are as qualified as other applicants. I think racism problem in Netherlands is much bigger than some ignorant people name-calling foreigners. Not to mention other instances such as the police commenting "One less Turk" upon a death of a Turkish girl.
This exists in every country. It's human. Nobody has ever been able to show data that this is better anywhere else. The fact of the matter is that there are just many different groups of migrants in The Netherlands nowadays, especially in the cities, so the chance that it occurs here is much higher. It's really not nice of you to say that it's specific to Dutch culture. Do you think this makes us like or dislike groups like yours more?
Information about the Netherlands for people from abroad who want to live in the Netherlands,1 The Netherlands is a small country with a relatively large population, so housing, work and space is scarce, 2 the climate of the Netherlands is a maritime climate wet and linked to the temperature of the sea, 3 dutch culture, dutch people do not like difference in treatment, so for foreigners who have a strong tendency to express their cultural identity, be prepared dutch people do not go along with that and just treat you like that if they treat other dutch people and are irritated if you want to be treated differently, for the Dutch there is no foreigner privilege , 4 very important, the Netherlands is a very expensive country to live in, rent of housing is expensive, taxes are many and expensive, food is expensive, energy and fuel is expensive, so even though a wage seems high for your understanding in the Netherlands it is just enough to live on, 5 if you don't like these things an honest dutch answer, please don't come to the Netherlands.
I am Dutch and I think I get what you mean by 'microagressions'. Obviously the ones you mentioned were actually quite bad and blatant, but in my head I can "see" even smaller ones happening. I hate it when that happens because these microaggressions are often so subtle that it's actually difficult for me to say something about it, to step in and defend the foreign person. When you can't quite tell whether it was insulting or not, or you can't quite find the words to explain why it's offensive, it's hard! I've lived abroad, so maybe that's why I am a bit more sensitive to this issue? I think a lot of Dutch people, for all our internationalism (people coming here but we also travel a lot), have little experience being the outsider. One thing that I hypothesize happens/goes wrong, is that in Dutch culture, some people have this weird thing that by making a mildly offensive joke about you, they signal that you are good friends. Because if you aren't good friends you wouldn't be permitted to make jokes at each others' expense. So this could be a joke linking to your country or culture. However, a lot of Dutch people somehow don't have the sensitivity that if someone is already the outsider this will not feel inclusive at all. This will secretly hurt. They don't think they need to adjust/tone down this behavior, but they really should when the other person may come from a different culture. Sometimes I want to say to my fellow Dutchmen "you don't *have* to say these so-called funny things that come into your head". Also, I don't think most Dutch people realize how bad they themselves handle jokes or a little bit of criticism as in this video about Dutch culture. (NB: I don't say this to make excuses for Dutch people by explaining it away as a cultural difference; I just try to understand why they do it and why they can't see how it's hurtful)
M thank you so much for your comments. You get exactly what I mean and what it feels like. Obviously, I can take jokes from friends. Actually I think race jokes can be the funniest if done well. But I'm talking about people that I don't know and that want to show me their 'superiority' by making stupid assumptions about my country. But it's good to know there are people that are sensitive about these things! 😊🙏
I can relate, I once asked a Cambodia kid it must be expensive for him to live abroad... he didn’t take it well, but on my side I’m just starting a conversation and showing general care about him...
I've been countless times to the Netherlands but have never actually lived there. However, I know of foreigners that live or have lived in the country who wrote that being "direct" and speaking your mind often does not go both ways there: it seems like migrants are perceived or called out as "too sensitive" if they cannot handle Dutch directness, however, when foreigners based there politely voice their criticisms about NL and its people, these comments often do not go down well with locals...I don't know whether this has been your experience as well.
@@ricardomeertens9165 Too bad, I *am* going to 'change' (rather, be a different kind of Dutch person) because people have indicated they don't like it. I believe in changing the parts of culture/yourself that aren't so good.
Thanks Murat I checked out your other videos and I can honestly say that every video is fun and full of experience and knowledge.Thank you for being out there and sharing your thoughts about living in Netherlands,it really helps people who are planning to move there
Günaydin Murat, (Yes, no, I'm not Turkish myself. I just know one or two words.:)) The weather is the weather. I haven't seen a good winter, spring or summer since 2008. It's mostly always autumn. That is not something we can do anything about, YET. But when a machine is invented to change the weather, you can bet your life that the inventor will be Dutch. Because we find our weather rather boring too! If you live in Amsterdam, you''re not living in the Netherlands. Amsterdam is the most expensive place in the Netherlands to live, because there are so many people there, and many of them are foreigners. THAT is why buying or renting a house, studio, apartment or even just a room, is extremely expensive in Amsterdam. But the further you go away from that place, the better it gets. Speaking English, or Turkish or ANY other language is fine as long as you stay in Amsterdam, but it will invariably brand you as an outsider. And there are so many outsiders in Amsterdam, that even the Dutch people will often speak English, because that's easier. But if you move away from Amsterdam, you'll find less and less foreigners, and Dutch people speak Dutch. So you will need to speak Dutch as well. And THAT will make it a lot easier to make friends. I know people here in Leeuwarden, who have their roots in Turkey, Morocco, China and other places, some of which speak better Frisian than I. You only hear those people speak their native language amongst themselves. These people have Dutch friends, because they've integrated with the Dutch culture a little more than anyone will ever expect from anyone who lives in Amsterdam. Making friends is not something the Dutch do at work. The people we work with ar just co-workers, colleagues, acquaintances. Which means that all conversations will be shallow surface talk, not very deep and intimate. Friends are people that you have a lot in common with OUTSIDE work or school. Hobbies, for example. Go to a fitness center, or go do some team sport to make friends. You may have lived in Amsterdam for the past 9 years, my friend, but you know very little about living in the Netherlands yet. I myself would not want to live in Amsterdam, because it is too crowded, and too big, and too expensive. I would rather move anywhere else.
Number 4; about the houses in Amsterdam, i'll explain it as good as i can: Amsterdam is the capital of the country which makes the houses already more expensive, then Amsterdam is part of the "randstad" that makes it more expensive too, so you better can buy a house in a place close to Amsterdam, but not actually in Amsterdam and you're saving a lot of money.
Bro even outside of Amsterdam you're being extorted. If you do business with any Dutch person you are being extorted. That's just how ''business'' ''works'' over here. Everyone is in debt but that's the ''Dutch'' way innit
Thanks Murat for the video! As someone with dutch ancestry living in South Africa, I plan to move to the Netherlands after graduating from college. Knowing why not to move is so much more important than knowing why to move. A lot of videos are made by people who have only stayed there for a short while and only lived in Amsterdam or other major cities.
As a Eastern European woman I can relate to your last point. If you are not from Western European country, or USA, Canada etc. you are going to get lot of comments about your country and people. "Do you have elevators in your country?" "Do you have butter in your country?" " She is not actually white"( with my blond hair and green eyes) meaning probably "not right kind of white" :))) - there is lot of ignorance mixed with arrogance, and actually quite a lot of racism. A friend got black grandchild and discovered it, while walking with the baby. She was in shock from comments that she got on streets of Amsterdam. But, it could be worst. Like Denmark or Ukraine, or Hungary. Those are hard core racists.
I’m Dutch (born and raised) and I think you were very polite. I think there is a lot of racism and xenophobia in the Netherlands. A lot of misogyny as well, and I can know, I’m a woman. Dutch are very ignorant about themselves and their culture. Not really self reflective because we lack openness, like you said. Then people ACT like everything is fine and dandy, but problems are just hidden and not talked about. Just start about Zwarte Piet, and then all hell breaks lose. You see what I mean..? Just don’t tell the other Dutch, It will upset them and they will blame you for their own foolishness 😉
couldn't agree more. the misogyny is shocking to me. I work in hospitality and men expect me to treat them like Gods, the entitlement and insecurity of locals are off the roof.
I really appreciate this video. There's a million videos about how great living in the Netherlands is, and I don't doubt it's great, I just want to get a better picture of what it is I would be getting myself into. I think your video does a great job of providing some more perspective. Thanks!
Reason #1: Xenophobia and racism runs rampant in the Netherlands. Let's just call a spade a spade and not an agricultural implement. Nearly 13% of people in the Netherlands have reported being discrimated against in 2021/22. 1.6 million reported acts of discrimination but most people don't report it. It's everything from unprovoked profanity, insults/verbal abuse, rude remarks, belittling, passive aggressive behaviour, to filthy looks, snickering, stares, unfriendliness etc. There is also institutional racism in the labor market and housing market to name a few. Immigrants or those of immigrant ancestry generally have access to far less opportunities because of said racism and xenophobia.
Now let's talk about all the shit expats say about Dutch people, because that somehow never gets mentioned. Maybe because it's not 'woke' to do so. Some examples: -you are all so greedy -you don't care about your family at all -Dutch people can't dance -your food is disgusting/bland -Dutch women are sluts -Dutch women don't care about appearance and are manly -aren't all of you on drugs? -your country is just weed and criminals -Dutch people are so anal about time -Dutch people are arrogant -Dutch people don't want to speak Dutch on purpose (actually it's because we're so used to foreigners we automatically switch) -on the other hand, I have been snapped at for addressing someone in Dutch because I thought they were Dutch. This is actually INSANE because it's our native language and I speak English to help other peopoe whenever I know they're not Dutch. This funnily enough makes some other expats mad (see point above) -the Netherlands is so boring. Who would want to holiday here? -Dutch people are weird. They eat so early. -None of you know how to dress -Dutch people are cold and don't care about others (funnily enough one of the best social systems in the world). -Dutch people are all coarse and unelegant. -Dutch people have such stupid ways of celebrating birthdays. You all sit in a circle and talk about boring stuff Also, our weddings (too small because Dutch people are greedy), funerals (too somber, there isn't even booze), vacation style (just sitting in a muddy tent somewhere), Christmas (not family oriented enough) are all stupid too. And many many more. If I got a euro for all the times I have heard anything we do called weird or other negative things I would be very rich indeed. Maybe I should call these frequently returning comments micro aggressions from now on too.
I remember my flatmate and I found a great place by oosterpark and I mentioned this to a Dutch "friend" who said, oh, but wait, there are lots of immigrants there... I said.. well, yes, I am well. The friend responded... oh, but you are different. In other words, being white meant I was the right type of immigrant. But this type of thing happened to me in Berlin when I lived there for a bit. I got told numerous times how I was taking jobs... so little things like that bothered me. I come from an immigrant country, so that attitude is quite foreign to me. If you work and are supporting yourself, you are welcome where ever...
I got an offer of €38,500 gross a year to work in The Hague. Any idea if this is good to live comfortably for a single person? I checked online and the apartments are around €1000 without bills for one bedroom unfurnished apartment.
Hi there. No idea what your life standards are, but I think if you pay €1000 for rent, you wouldn't have that much to spend on your social life. Your net income will be €2500. Health insurance is min €100, your bills around €200, groceries €400 more or less. If you have a dinner outside you pay least €25 these days, so maybe this gives you an idea.. But you can definitely live with that amount.
Oh I just thought of this, you should check the 30% ruling requirement. Depending on your age your income might be less than the requirement, and that tax benefit makes a big difference. You can read about this online.
@@murateren5712 I dont think I am qualified for the 30% rule as my offer is around €38,500 gross a year. The problem is even for €1000 it seems you cant get one bedroom furnished apartment in the Hague.
How can the weather suck? I love it. I HATE hot humid weather . I live in India and its torture summers are mad I visited TN in December and I loved the cold. Plus it's to each his/her own. I love rainy weather, dark skies, hate the sun. So its upto each individual. Moreover I hate it when people call the last minute to "make plans." I block my dates and plan my calender even here for a month. That's called planning esp if you have a consistent work or studied. I think being organized is a good thing.
Nah, the weather is actually pretty mild, practically im half naked like 99% of the year, and the last time my windows were shut was when the rain was showering into the room. Most people here dont know what is scorching hot or bonefreezing cold. Im just laughing at them all year around when they complaining about weather. :D
The Netherlands is a claustrophobic, wet, plat als een pannenkoek, klein postzegellandje met plaatselijke opklaringen,2 weken per jaar zomer dan alles weer potdicht met loodgrijze luchten, waar de mensen op fietsen tussen de buien door tegen de harde wind in trappen. Net nog zoals in de 1950’s. Australia is 200 x groter, blauwe luchten en het is er warmer, veel warmer.......
I, as a dutchman, agree with all of your points. Your english is very clear and I like your calm and clear aproach of the topics. Number 1: The weather here IS always grey. It is seldom a clear, sunny day with 20 degrees. Most of the time is is cloudy and or raining, or in the summer it is over 30 degrees and dry. Number 2: In North-West Europe like the Netherlands and Germany, we have a packed agenda and we try to do as much as we can in a day. This means we can't always do things ad hoc as we please. This is something that is not easily changed and we have to live for it. When you get accustumed to it, it also has it's benefits. an apointment at 12:00 is between 11:55 and 12:05, you will not waste your time waiting. The shallow smalltalk is true. It has nothing to do with different cultures, the Dutch are shallow and careful with everyone besides close friends. Number 3: We are a small country with little differences. although you can travel to every side of the country within a few hours, people always feel it is a great distance. It is small and packed, the whole country is filled with cities and villages, there is almost no place in the Netherlands where you can sit and don't hear a car or any other sound from others. Number 4: Expances are high in the Netherlands. Since it is a small country with a lot of people living here, the demand of housing is high and the offer is low so the prices for housing are of the charts. Beside that, infrastructure, healthcare and such is very good but it all has to be paid with the money of the taxpayer. Don't expect to get rich here if you are an hounest hardworking man providing your family but you can have a pleasant live while paying for everything. Number 5: This is a little difficult one, I think that is why you saved it for last. I agree with you. As a dutchman, let me try to give you my view of this. With Sweden, Denmark, the UK an Luxembourg, the Netherlands is very tolerant. Not only to foreigners but to every other way of thinking in the broadest sence. That said, every nation has it's rotten apples and small minded people. I think that Turkish people are one of the most accepted people here in the Netherlands. I think the microaggression is a result of dutch people not familiar with foreign traditions and some of the foreigners sticking into communities of their own culture without integrating (I see people live here for 30+ years and barely speaking Dutch). Plus the fact that a lot of people comming to the Netherlands have an educational, financial disadvantage to people who grew up here, gives them a higher chance to choose the criminal path, wich result in prejudice against foreigners. It is a delicate mather and not easily changed, only time can people realize that we are actually all the same and accept that we have our own lives. Barış.
I don't think Turkish people are the most accepted, this is because of the amount of immigrants we had during the workers shortage and the type of workers that came during that time. During that time a lot of not educated people came to work in the Netherlands and do jobs that didn't require education, think cleaning, factory work etc. Then when we went into recession and we had a job surplus people were mad at the immigrant we brought in because they were now taking up what few jobs there were and that sentiment hasn't changed much. I also think people dislike the connection people keep to their home country disliking the dual citizenship they receive if one of the parents is Turkish, seeing it as a "betrayal" or at least not a full commitment to the country in which you have lived your entire life.
@Jack T Exactly. I already made a video explaining why the Netherlands is such an awesome country and why I chose to live here. Here I'm just saying if the weather is your top priority in a country and if you don't like the rain as much as Helen does :D then well maybe you should think twice.
I am Dutch but spent about two decades outside of NL and recognise a lot of your point. I migrated back 3 years ago and yeah the planning in life, "micro agression" or no filter as I call can be very annoying, size of the country... Well is it a country or a city. Dutch directness is difficult for many who are not Dutch. People just make statements without any filters (often). As for turkey spent a lot of time working in instanbul and did experience snow over there
But in all honesty I don't really understand why The Dutch say they are direct. They are direct when it comes to work but socially I would say they are super indirect, they never say how they really feel
Thank you, for doing it in English and not in Turkish (or Dutch), this way I and a much more diverse group can understand and participate, thank you. This is your first video in my algorithm, and *I agree there are "disadvantages" thank you for pointing them out, and talking about them.* (I am Dutch, from Limburg, down in the South the not flat part of the Netherlands.) 1 Weather; I agree; cold, gray and rain, but things have been changing. We might not have the white winters and "elfstedentochten" but we did have them at one point in our history. I remember snow and white winters as a small child. My parents and grandparents had different winters then I did, etc. Also it depends on the locations in the Netherlands with temperatures, because of climate. Coastal vs non-coastal. The south is almost always warmest in the summers. Add to that climate changes. In Limburg it was 30+ degrees past week, it is only June. Agree 15 - 25+ degrees used to be more "normal" average temperatures for spring/summer, but that hasn't happened in years by now. Seasons we have, we have the trees indicators of that most. But then you probably need a setting more in or surrounded by nature. I hear you mentioning Amsterdam, for instance. 2 Social: True. Generally speaking, this is true. There are some friends or family members that might have a less "planned" structure, but then that is part of the "loosely" planned structure. Everything is structured like that here, basically. We plan ahead. Shallow, work conversations true; I fully agree, also depending on the workplace, and work culture. For instance the hairdresser; I've worked at them, these are more social places, but it depends on the customer. One can get to be on a very close and friendly basis, talking about their lives. But more "manly" cultures are a lot harsher, I have problems dealing with them as well. I understand what you are saying. Night life; weather is different, climate is different. Drinking in public area is restricted, limited. But then if you don't litter, or become annoying or bothersome, we are flexible up to a certain point. 3 Small country: limited options & expenses; Taxes are a good thing, it could be more fair, this also pays for social benefits etc. Housing shortage, agree, Amsterdam, yes. But as said I am not from Holland, I'm from Limburg and there are differences. In my opinion there is a lot of diversity in the Netherlands. But there is not a lot of mixing and deep (positive) interaction. And our system used to be more social and less capitalistic as it is now days. 4 Micro aggressions: True this is here as well. But in my experience this goes both ways. I think I understand the dynamics in this, and yes this happens. Also this happens full on in you face and in the open, but on a lesser scale. As a homosexual I know this happens both ways. I experience it, also by some migrants if they are religious Islamic. But then also all Dutch Christians are not of the right faith. (This is also not limited to Islam, but other Abrahamic religions. And depending on their sect or branch within this.) There is a homosexual imam, this is a no go to say. Even if it is fact. We then can debate on what an Imam is etc. and the religious aspects etc. But that is not the point, and it is, at the same time to point out this goes both ways. And I see and hear what you talk about. Towards immigrants and other minorities, it all stems from the same root. And I notice them not having awareness on both sides this is happening and taking place. Dutch girls called and treated like whores, because cultural differences. Abuse, etc. polygamy even if it is illegal in the Netherlands, this also happens, homophobia happens, Islam-phobia happens, racism happens, etc. These are hard truths, and it's both ways. WE all have dark shadow sides to us and our histories and cultures and traditions.
I've seen apartments in Amsterdam listed for as low as 600 euros per month, there's fewer to choose from and they seem to go away the next day I check, but it's possible to rent cheaply, it seems.
@@ex0stasis72 there are some projects where you can register and get affordable houses but anything I see on Facebook groups etc I would be very careful with
@@murateren5712 Ya, thanks, I'm finding more about that lately. I'm just "window shopping" right now because I don't think I can move until another year or two.
I would like to move to netherlands but the fact that its a small country i'm worried i'll quickly get tired of it. And are there jobs for foreigners there?
Hi, I'm dutch so perhaps I can help you. 1 The Netherlands is pretty small compared to other countries but there is still a huge variarity, so unless you're a real world traveler it shouldn't cause too much trouble. 2. About getting an job here isn't that easy for a foreigner. Ofc you can get small jobs like working in a supermarket, but otherwise you need to get good references first (unless you're lucky or already have a really good reputation). Also there are still discriminating bosses so try to avoid them, it's better to look futher and wait longer to get to a place where people really accept you than get a better and faster job but have feeling uncomfortable between the other employee's. Hope this helped (;
In addition to what Yoshi said, it's pretty easy to travel to other countries once you're living here. Also workwise try international companies. They won't discriminate..
I expected some hard to deal with things, but, literally everything in this video is the same or better than where I live. Guess I know where I'm moving!
Hi, I am living in the Netherlands for the past 2 1/2 years as an ex-pat I too agree with what you said , especially the climate here really sucks..sorry to say but it is, and the last point I too noticed about it directly from dutch people and it is not only for Turkish, Moroccan, I too experienced it personally, got up these question like why do come out of your country, don't you miss your family, what reason you stay to earn money ???? How do you know about dutch people ??? How long you are going to stay???..OMG!!!. I love this country but I agree with your 5 downsides.
As if there is ANY money to be made in the Netherlands when everyone here is trying to stitch eachother up for 5 cents and 1/3rd of the country in debt?!?!?
how would you feel when foreigners ask dutch people whether your grandparents were Nazis and whether you are blunt all the time and whether you don't make friends with foreigners and ask you what you think about your dark past in Malaysia and Indonesia at the first second they meet you ?
@@ingilizcetvim what? the first questions are usually how many coffeeshops are in your town and how often you visit the red light district lol. and if you are abroad they will ask if you sell any adult candy 😅
The problem rather is that people are too quickly offended, I'm afraid. If I hear nasty remarks, they just travel from one ear to the other. Only if they are pleasant, they are registred and send to the heart. The Dutch may be sometimes very "direct", much more as the Flemish - as me - are. They not only will notice other people's shortcomings, who has none ?, but also tend to talk in a very direct way about it. It may come across as being impolite or rude, but it's just the culture. Once you take that into consideration, you'll see there's no reason to feel fists trembling of irritation. Flemish are more restraint. Of course the Northern European culture is different than the one of South Europe, North Afrika or Turkey. Of course people from Norway are very different than those from Australia. None is better than the other however, just different. The exciting thing in culture are these differences. I love the Japanese for being so polite and their complex system of giving and receiving gifts. If you start mixing all the colours of a child's paint box, you'll end up with a dirty brown. I prefer bright yellow (South Europe), bright blue (North Europe), bright green (Central Europe) and let's give the bright red to Eastern Europe.
I'm kind of surprised you didn't mention the health system 😅 I agree with most points, I correlate with the last point, one Dutch girl at uni once told me "stop eating the olives by hand, we are not in Greece" and I said to her "yeah, you know we also use forks in Greece" and she said "oh, I didn't mean it like that" obviously I told her I know exactly what you meant!🤣 still I have good Dutch friends and a Dutch partner, but I don't know many internationals unfortunately, maybe in the future!
Yes even if people mean things or not we gotta watch when we open our mouths right? 😅 and I hear it a lot about the health system, and I agree to a certain extent, but it wasn't in my top 5 😄
@@murateren5712 for me is definitely top 5! This girl meant it, she disliked me since we met, she was even calling me with the wrong name 😅 expenses is a big pain in the a** hahaha especially in AMS
@@ninailia8552 Bro the prices they ask over here for everyday groceries is literally extortion I think it's so sad that most Dutch people have NO IDEA how bad they're being ripped off :S
Hello, Murat! Me and my bf are also looking to relocate to The Netherlands from Romania and we're planning to find a job after we'll find a place to rent. But how can we rent a flat if we cannot provide any proof of income? Any tips & tricks to break this paradox?
Hi Sabina. I actually don't know the answer to that. I also know that most landlords require a minimum income. Maybe showing some savings will help? Otherwise you can try to find a job first.. I'm sure you thought of these though :)
Look for uitzendbureau-s, practically the only thing you want from the first, to get you SOFI/BSN and a first job (because its the two of you, theres might be a littlebit of problem, they usually prefer single persons, since couples want to stick together, and thats rarely possible, plus you wont look enough vulnerable for them (thats a main point in what they hiring, since they "using" people), but the lower ranked ones pretty much can give you a job in days (SRS, Covebo, OTTO, similars). Dont expect much, in quality, and they might say, you will have to live in their rented houses, but the only thing you ant from them, are the basis (and thats meanin a few months if you working on it. But, a warning: all kinds of people working through them, some are intelligent, and nice to live with, but more are on the lower steps on the ladder, and shitpile as roommates. There is nothing better, when your roomate cut frozen meat with an angle grinder on sunday mornings...) Those arent jobs, what you want to do on the long run , but just for first steps to get here, and have the base for living here (Jobs like in a meat factory, cutting up meat, packaging, exporting to china, or park/community area maintenance, or cleaning, etcetera, but thats not the point, the point, you get a BSN and a chance to get started (through some loophole, what these agencies using)). As you looking for the first step, you already should look for the second and third steps: a job at a better agency, and a room/studio on your own, but first they wont be interested in you, since you arent even here, and your not even existing yet in the system (BSN, address, dutch phonenumber, and phisically you have to be here to have the chance). Start to work at the "first step" agency, till you get your BSN, then as soon as possible, jump. And from there, its all up to you, find the jobs, what you like, want to do, place you like, and build connections with people. And learn dutch, start as soon as you can, because that will help you get better jobs, better opportunities, till you dont speak at least a crude level, you still gonna be one in a bunch of trash (you wont be told, you are trash, but if youre not speaking dutch, and the other one does, there is like 95% chance the other candidate will get the job). Plus it will be easier to get some friends, since, even tho, dutch people learn to speak english, they are usually unsecure to speak it, since they mainly speak dutch (well, this is the Netherlands, afterall), and if you speak to them in english, especially in a good tempo, they will get confused, and will freeze towards you. Not all of them, of course, but the youngones for sure (and in the second step agency jobs, probably you will work with 80-90% youngsters). Ohh, and no matter what they say, dutch isnt difficult, except some letter/voice (for me the feeling of it is: it always feel like i chew my own tong, or choking, but thats me). Oh: AND NEVER PAY FOR AN AGENCY FOR THEIR SERVICE TO GET YOU A JOB! THATS ILLEGAL IN THE EU!
The first microagession could also been seen as a sincere interest in you and your country, and could be short for: "I know that Turkey is a mostly Muslim country, soo I assume you are also a Muslim, Muslims generally don't drink alcohol, yet you drink alcohol, so one of my assumptions is apparently incorrect, can you help me to understand your culture? " And a similar reasoning could be behind the headscarf question. But this of course depends on context and tone of voice. Which with the Dutch directness can easily be misunderstood. I agree that the rest of your microagession examples are really racist.
Hi there. I get this comment a lot and of course I don't take everything as microagression. I'm talking about the cases where the tone is clearly condescending and after 10 years in the country I can easily distinguish between the two. Thanks for your explanation though..
Wij Turken zijn hier al sinds jaren 60 dus ze weten heel goed hoe het werkt met de Turken rondom bijv. alcohol en geloof. Er zijn ongelooflijk aantal Turkse kroegen in NL en vrouwen die geen hoofdoek dragen maar kortere rokken etc. Dit zijn puur provocatieve vragen.
@@ironmotoadv Niet iedereen woont in multiculturele grote steden. En juist in de grote stad kun je behoorlijk langs elkaar heen leven zonder echt inzicht in elkaars cultuur te krijgen. Ik heb bijvoorbeeld ook met 2e/3e generatie Marokkaanse en Turkse collega's te maken gehad, die echt hele rare ideeën over de Nederlandse cultuur hadden. Je kan alleen beoordelen of de opmerkingen provocatef bedoeld zijn als je de hele context kent. En die is nou eenmaal niet gegeven in de video.
@@harenterberge2632 juist in die grote steden kun je zien hoe divers de Turkse cultuur is, van zeer conservatief tot hypermodern. Je hoeft geen Turkse vrienden te hebben om dat in te zien. En je moet echt in een niemandsland onder een steen leven om na al die jaren nog geen beeld te hebben van de Turken in NL.
sincere interest ? i have a sincere interest about you and here we go !! your grandparents were Nazis or not ? are u blunt all the time ? do u make make friends with foreigners ? what you think about your dark past in Malaysia and Indonesia ? are you racist ? nice to meet u too
Dutch are friendliest and willing to talk and listen..i live in the border of Germany and Netherlands and Im very happy living here when i just came bcoz they are willing to help and everywhere i go just like Supermarkets and everything document related i can go alone without my husband unlike in Germany im always hesitated although o can speak good german..
That was the reason I left Netherlands after 15 years west my time in the Netherlands I am now in London much better feeling and freedom but yes every country has own negative and positive
Turks prefer to live in USA where they can achieve their potential and where they wont face racism like they do in Netherlands. Turks can win Nobel prizes like Aziz Sancar did in 2015 and be CEOs etc. here is the list... turkofamerica.com/index.php/others/life-style/item/2466-the-50-most-influential-turkish-americans and moreover en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Turkish_Americans .As you can see many Turks can work in universities and professors etc .What can Turks be in your small country ? just losers and secondary class citizens who will do second class jobs ? With your black and white schools and education system , you will only produce more secondary class citizens. and tell me how many immigrant professors ,CEOs, nobel prize winners did your country produce ? You just want to use immigrants to do your dirty jobs and give them secondary class education and produce more and more losers. And later you complain that these people didn't integrate ? are you in denial?
Çok güzel anlatmışsın, son maddeyi hep hissedeceksin. Hollanda’da büyüdüm, son 6 yıldır Brüksel’de yaşıyorum ve burada ayrım yok, çok kültürel bir şehir. Tavsiye ederim
As a black American, I really appreciate you touching on racism and micro aggression. I’ve been considering moving to Netherlands. Now am thinking twice.
Jimmy Burner I wouldn't want to portray this as an every say issue that would want to make you think twice. All I wanna say is it doesn't not exist, but it's probably better than many other places.
Murat Eren I appreciate your impartiality. The countries on my list are Canada, New Zealand, Netherlands, Switzerland, Australia and any of the Caribbean islands. I’m sure there’s racism everywhere, but it is a red flag for me. Racism is getting worse here in America. People are saying things like “This is why we’ should bring back hangings” in response to protests. And we handle this pandemic as poorly as most developing countries. I’m over America and want somewhere else to call home. So racism, even mild, is still important to consider. Also, I do want somewhere people are personable and not superficial. So when you mentioned “small talk” that was another, albeit lesser, red flag. Thank you
In the UK racism is now very hidden before different people were verbally abused by racists in the street but now it is done by hidden gestures now called micro-aggressions. Thank you for mentioning this.
I would not advice you to move there. I speak from experience. I have been raised there and it’s a struggle for black people to live there. Because of the microaggression, black pete but also many more other things. Just for your mental health; don’t do it
Nou ja, ik snap wel wat hij bedoelt. Je kunt in Nederland niet zomaar aankloppen bij elkaar zonder elkaar van tevoren op de hoogte te stellen. Ik persoonlijk vind het niet perse onbeschoft, maar het voelt wel raar/ongemakkelijk als ineens een maat zomaar op de stoep staat. In andere culturen is het doodnormaal dat je bij elkaar zomaar aanklopt, al is het tijdens etenstijd. Dan schuif je daar gewoon bij aan. Dat heeft wel inderdaad veel te maken met het feit dat wij gewoon alles heel duidelijk inplannen.
Here you will have more differences between seasons and you can see friends without appointments. If you drop in during dinertime you even might get s plate😂. Have to warn you throughout: Geert Wilders is a Limburger too, so we do have assholes here aswell
1. True 2. Really depends on the people you know. There are plenty of people I know that do just call a buddy and go out for a drink 5 minutes later. Honestly not sure what the trend is here -- or if there even is one. Maybe this is a trend among expats and the people that live around there? I'm not sure. My only suggestion here would be: try some different social circles. There are plenty of people in here the Netherlands that don't live their life planned and structured. About the small talk: I agree. It's really annoying -- and I was born in the Netherlands. You can get more depth in some places and in some circles, though I agree that the overall trend is that most social interaction in the workplace is pretty shallow (and annoying). 3. I don't really see the issue here. I for one highly doubt you'll have trouble finding friend, because you ran out of people. There is also plenty of jobs and job opportunities imo. Housing can be a bit difficult atm though, but that is due to mismanagement by the government. 4. Mostly true. Don't really want to get into a discussion about taxes though. Taxes are there for a reason and also give something back. Housing is pretty bad atm though (again, due to missmanagement). Food on the other hand is pretty cheap when compared to other EU countries. Besides the housing issue(whiich is pretty important), it honestly isn't so bad when compared to other EU countries. 5. Some of those examples are blatantly racist, while others are things any foreigner has to hear any most countries(at least in my experience), and I don't see them as an issue. I've heard things like: "how come your English is so good" plenty of times -- which imo isn't a problem at all. Most of the other things I haven't heard ever. So unsure how big of an issue this is really.
Uhmm it's not really about that. And we do drink at parks and terraces of course, but it's just that the weather allows you to do that only for a couple of weeks in the year. Even in summer time it gets pretty chilly in the evening. But of course you can still do it, just not as much as in some other places..
I am from Pakistan currently staying in Turkey. I have job offer from Netherlands, its really hard decision to make. I love Turkey and people here. The salary is almost same but as you know Turkey is very cheap and I save a lot here. Only reason I want to move is the uncertainty on my job as well as Turkish economy/politics. In Turkey they change laws overnight and may ask foreigners to leave any time you don't know :D
@@daimybisseling251 yes I think because it's such an open minded and developed country people tend to think everything they do here is fine and cannot be wrong, but often times it is. Like zwarte piet indeed. :)
@@daimybisseling251 It is also that those people new here did not try to look or understand the Dutch side. Especially Americans just call it blackface, a Hollywood phenomenon yet they project it on the Dutch which has a much longer and richer and totally different background. You will see many more cultures in Europe have a person colored black... not because of racism (mind you, people with more melanine in their skin were an extreme rarity for the better part of humanity until the last 100-50 years or so). Calling people racist for what they considered normal, had no racist intention or effect... is now becoming a racist thing... it is just sad.
Just because it's not intentional that doesn't make it ok. I've experienced people in the NL saying bluntly racist things and when I called it out, people were very dismissive saying it was't intentional. I feel like this word is sometimes used to downplay racism
Now please do understand that I am trying to help you, but being Dutch I might be too direct. Dutch people are known for being straight to the point, they don't beat around the bush pretty much. They say it as it is and if they have a question they will ask you. It's not about being rude or racist, it's what Dutch people are used to. "You have a mouth, use it" ;) For the examples you call out, I think you misunderstand a lot of what you hear. Of course, some things are not nice to say (toilet comment for example) but none of that is actually racist. I would urge you to ask Dutch friends to give you some context. I think you will be surprised that things are not as bad in that as you might think. Context is key, something you didn't really take in mind. I don't mind having a conversation, I think it could be well worth to see both sides of the coin on many topics. Communication can solve so many problems in this world. I also wish to urge you to learn more about the Dutch, just like Turkish people they are proud of their heritage and love their country and culture. Yet by trying to change that you will anger them, do remember that if you move to another country it is you that will have to adapt to the new culture, not the other way around. I am planning to move to Japan, that means I will need to learn their culture, language and try to understand the Japanese people. Which I already am doing (no, not from anime!) I hope this helps a bit.
There is a way in asking things WITHOUT being jugdamental, and is an empa4hic subject, isn't about Dutch people only, many are racist without noticing and this is the real problems. We foreigners always will suffer from it by ignorant rude people on how they ask questions being mean.
Think that persons are different, and to each one perceives different things, this is his opinion not a generalization, so try not to contradict, try harder to feel him or understand instead of deniying it :)
I'm from England and I lived in Scheveningen for a few years. The weather in the Nederlands is at least twice as good as the weather in England and so I thought it was great. The people in the Nederlands are very friendly and relaxed compared to the UK. People in the UK are more than three three times as aggressive towards any passerby and so your racial accusations are in my view imagined and themselves a type of racial "micro-aggression". I've lived in several different countries and cultures several decades ago and never had any problems but youngsters today are hyper-sensitised about race which is a step backwards.
Honestly I never though about number 5, but you are actually correct and have came across such remarks, even though not on an racial or ethnic origin. I am student in the NL from an Eastern European country, that is poor. And not once have I heard questions such as: How can you afford those headphones (normal headphones for 60EUR) ? How come there are so many people from your country here, arent you poor ? How can I afford to study in the Netherlands ? Do you have dishwashers in your country ? Like where the f do you think I am from? I find these questions a little hurting and I do not see why they would be so curious about such a thing and would care, but them being honest and curious is probably the case.
Asking those kind of questions and then hiding behind the excuse that they are honest or curious is unacceptable. There is a fine line between being curious and being a flat out cunt. You can be curious and honest to the point but refrain from insulting others. Also, I like to hear opinions when I ask for it, not for a total fucking stranger to walk up to me and ask me things like that.
here we go !! how would you feel when foreigners ask dutch people whether your grandparents were Nazis and whether you are blunt all the time and whether you don't make friends with foreigners and ask you what you think about your dark past in Malaysia and Indonesia at the first second they meet you ?
villagers bro !! when you are part of small country that is what happens ! you live in a bubble and thing that you are living in the center of the world while your village has 40000 people and you think that it is a city because you have never seen istanbul, shanghia, new york, tokyo, Miami!! it is great to talk with dutch villagers who has no clue about the world
@@ingilizcetvimfunny because I have been asked multiple times about the Netherlands being all Nazis because people think we're part of Germany or things related to that when travelling abroad.
I think, what Dutch people or those who have Dutch mentality miss out about directness is that in so many cultures around the world how you say something matters as much as what you say.I believe the fact that people should be honest but not in a tactless way. If being honest done in a mannerless way and called out as directness; well,it could be seen by many non-Dutch people not just as rude but a disguise to cover on the surface level thoughts .
@@tunahilmioglu419 I think that communicating clearly and saying what you do or don't want, providing clarity about what someone is doing wrong or right makes us Dutch one of the most productive people in the world.
@@jeroenpoepaanzijn I admire that however, what i claim here is that this could be done by being considerate for others and not being tactless. In both ways, you get the same results but in one of those two, you make positive impact in addition to providing clarity and getting what you want. Hope you see my point :)
I moved to the Netherlands from the U.S. about 3 years ago. I watch these videos sometimes and wonder why no one ever talks about living in places other than Amsterdam. I Seriously cannot relate to most of these videos because the stuff I hear seem to be City problems more than Dutch problems.
@@patglennon9671 Yeah its alright. I really had not had moving to Europe on my Bucket List or anything, I just happened to marry a Dutch woman. I am in Elburg, a Town of about 26,000 or so. I would liken the experience to living in a similar sized town in the mid-west.
@@murateren5712 Nothing terribly exciting I work at a "Campground"/Bungalow Park. In the winter I paint the Bungalows, do groundskeeping type of stuff in the spring and in the summer just keep things cleaned up around the place. Total Blue Collar kinda work.
@@ericfisher1360 I see. The thing is you moved here with your partner but for people like me there are so many conditions to be able to even stay here. So of course we tend to apply for jobs that pay more (to qualify for a highly skilled migrant visa) which are mostly at international companies in Amsterdam. But I also know UA-camrs from other cities. It's just that most international jobs are in Amsterdam.
if you just wanna call up a friend or if you're an oversharer, move to the south, Limburgians are very friendly and love talking and sharing, we'll go for way deeper subjects too, not unusual to talk about politics at the hairdressers. He's right that the dutch often lay on the extremes tho, lots of racist people but also looots of very liberal people. If anyone here wants a dutch friend, hmu
So Dutches usually have some small talks but rarely get into deep conversation so kinda difficult to know them and be friends ? Does that happen to Dutch talking to non-Dutch ? Or even conversation between 2 Dutches could be like that ? I'm recently interested with the life in Dutch and just found your video informative. Btw I've met few Turkish ppl in my country they're very chatty and want to know more about your story (as you described) which is good because sometimes I'm social and lots of ppl in my country are kinda anti-social lol,
Thank you so much. I find them reserved, and believe me I've heard this from many foreigners. It's not that they don't have anything to talk about, they can be very intellectual, but they don't easily share their personal stuff with people, show emotions, etc. From childhood they're prepared for a tough life. :) Which is good, but also it's hard to break those walls.. Hope that answered your question. :)
The first three "cons" are actaully pros in my opinion heh... And the fourth one doesn't really apply to me because living costs in my home country is higher or about the same level. However, the fifth one is definitely a con and I think it is, sadly, quite common in general in the world
Yes true. You can see even worse examples actually. My point was more that the Netherlands is portrayed as a place where such things can't happen, but they do..
Ofc microaggression happens everywhere but he’s right in the Netherlands people tend to say stuff like that more easily out loud to someone in the face then for example some asian countries, where it could be more reserved.
Except the Netherlands is one of the only countries in the world (and most certainly only country in Europe) to have an openly racist public representative in office....... Geert Wilders amirite
Honestly, I think most Dutch people agree with the weather being bad in the Netherlands haha. I definitely agree with the racism/discrimination you're talking about, unfortunately I feel like over the years that's gotten worse and it's mainly aimed at people with muslim backgrounds, or who might look like they have muslim backgrounds. I'm white and Dutch, so I haven't experienced it first hand, but I also think it's mainly older generations who think this way, although I'm sure there are younger people who say this stuff too. But as you said, racism/discrimination is everywhere, I'm currently in Australia and its kind of the same here, but are generally not blatantly racist, it's a lot more subtle and micro-aggression is definitely a big thing here too.
If it's about religion it's not about race is it? So it's not racism and it's not like islam has done it's best to smoothly fit in with the hundreds of religions and denominations that have been living in peace with eachother since the 1500's. The older generation know that freedom of religion isn't a one way street and notice that many muslims have a habit of not respecting other people's freedom of religion, freedom of speech and the freedom to wear what you want. That has nothing to do with racism. It's not the beer drinking or otherwise integrating muslims the Dutch have problems with.
@@DenUitvreter and I made this video as a 'beer drinking' non-muslim who comes from a muslim country and even I get islamophobia, so it's easy to comment for you. It's like saying 'zwarte piet is not racist'. Well, one cannot think like how a black person thinks, because they didn't go through the same things. What we can do is try to reflect on ourselves instead of teaching people what they should and should not get offended by in my opinion.
@@murateren5712 I assume every black person thinks differently, because difference is what happens when people truly think. Empathy is the keyword here and the Dutch might want to get some of that empathy too. You're the exception among Turks in The Netherlands, Turkey is just one of the many different places in the world to them and they have no intimate knowledge of. So they ask you questions about your background, so what? Just like micro-agression (you gave examples of agression that wasn't micro and examples of what wasn't agression at all) I don't believe islamophobia exists either. I really don't care if you're a muslim or not, I do care whether you represent the problematic side there is to islam or the other side. The problematic side of islam justifies genuine fear and dislike, there's nothing irrational and therefore phobic about it. Of course everybody wants to be seen as an individual and not as for example just general Turk with all that's associated, but when people ask you questions about your individual background and attitude on life, you seem to take offence because somehow they already should have expected. In general taking offence is a choice too and in The Netherlands people don't take offence easily and don't expect people to take offence easily.
About these micro-aggressions. They exist, these are not specific towards foreigners, it is also used between Dutch people. It is a way to test / tease a person. It is meant to be a kind of funny. It is actually a conversation starter. It is not aggressive. It is in a way of saying: Hi, you are interesting, I like to get to know you better, say something. Just the other day when I was in Germany and I bought some strawberries along the road, they asked if I was by bike. Apparently they thought that all Dutch people travel by bike. I thought it was funny, because it showed their way of thinking. And we laughed about it. And about the toilet-cleaning remark. One could answer with, we started with cleaning up the toilets, now we own the hotels and date Dutch women.
Haha nice one Freek! I wish everyone was as nice as you. However, I do have to say as a white person that comes from a country that most people adore I don't think you can understand how hearing almost any comment about your culture makes you question the intention, after many times you hear racist comments. But I get your constructive feedback and thanks for the explanation! :)
Are you kidding ? They are directed to foreigners of course. Educated people wont take these insulting comments easily. To be honest as a person with two masters degree one from usa and one from belgium , i wont blink to slap their face with these ignorant racist remarks
@@ingilizcetvimnice, another aggressive character. People here talking about 'micro aggressions' while there are so many actual aggressions against Dutch people from people with an immigrant background, but we can't even mention that because it's 'racism' and the police won't do anything either.
The micro aggressions is one of the biggest challenges I had as a half Dutch person growing up in the Netherlands. Thanks for expressing this, I always felt that I was the only one with this issue.
@@murateren5712 Thank you for your reply. I responded to your video because I recognized what you were explaining. It really made me laugh when you spoke about small talk. I dealt with Micro aggression and straight forward narrow minded Colonial racism. Did it influence me yes. Do I think that all Dutch are like this: No, absolutely not. Sometimes people get tested in life, to learn and to develop. I learned that we get in life what we need not always what we want. Then again I am only half Dutch, so the influence of the cultural background of my Non-Dutch mother was something I chose to embrace. I understand that these experiences made me the person I am today. I emigrated and I married a foreign husband. Do I miss the Netherlands, yes and no. I do miss certain types of food and the great infra structure and the practical stuff like for example the bottle scraper or flessen-likker to mention a few. Enjoy your stay and thanks again for your reply.
Actually, all these 5 points are true. I lived in Israel and these things are not true there except for also being an expensive country. These 5 points are mostly true for North-Western Europe, so don't move to England, Germany, Scandinavian countries or the Benelux if these 5 points are important to you. The West Europeans don't mind, they are used to it. but if you are not, the Netherlands will be a bad choice. No tongue in cheek here. In this overpopulated country, foreigners can be really lonely, poor and miserable. West European citizens won't mind, so they are welcome and will feel at home. it just isn't what you are accustomed to. I lived in Israel and enjoyed it there as a young adult. As an early pensioner, I rather be in the Netherlands as Israel isn't very suitable for pensioners.
There is. But always have been in the Netherlands. Even before the migration flood came. But since they don't know it, the dutch are racist and so on. The Dutch are the most welcoming and emancipating country I know, but still the most racist one by those leftist idiots.
The weather in the Netherlands the last decade is changing. Winters are less cold, less snowy and more rainy. Summers are getting very hot and there's a lot of drought during these periods, which will be a huge problem in the future. From September - April it rains regularly, but compared to the UK not nearly as much.
Nice video. I feel I would get on well with you Murat. I was born and live in London but I have an interview coming up for a job in Amsterdam which is why I'm watching this. Interesting points.
Hey nice video! I'm italian and i work as a magazijn medewerker, sometimes need to have contact with some clients as well, long story short a client took the initiative to call my workplace and literally said "next time I want to be served by a dutch person" welcome to the Netherlands👍🏻
Thank you Murat! Very informative and one of the best videos here about living in a new country. And, I agree with others your voice and facial expression are enjoyable. Lively but not over-active. And you showed your emotion in a controlled way when you really have it, which is rare and adds feelings of reality and personality. You also made me reflect that I might not be considerate enough when I talked to people from another culture.
@ oh .. yes problem is everywhere in the world but I must say you are lucky that you are living in Netherlands .. I stayed in Rotterdam , I visited Utrecht, Nijmegen , den Haag and many places I enjoyed a lot
Please watch my video about the pros of the Netherlands. It's not that I don't recommend here. But if you decide to move here, these are the things you might struggle with.
Don't come please, we have a housing crisis and the last thing we need is expats coming here taking more housing away from the local population. Our employers don't help us to find housing, they only help expats to do so. It fucking sucks.
@@murateren5712 hey there. This year is somehow atypical but summer is warm and way longer, at least to the one I experienced in western Germany. Winter looks like winter, it snows quite a lot but that depends where you are. Also less gloomier and less cloudy. I’m moving to Utrecht next year that’s why I stumbled upon your videos. Very helpful
Hi all, seeing all these comments from people that completely misunderstood my video, here's an explanation. I'm extremely happy living in the Netherlands. I also made a video about the pros of living in the Netherlands, but no one watched that one. People want to focus on the negative. I only made this video to say what I don't like about the NL, but that doesn't mean I don't like the country at all. I love living here and I'm so grateful. And no, I'M NOT GOING BACK TO MY COUNTRY! If anyone feels the need to feed their ego, watch my video about why you should live in the NL. For the ones that are considering moving, if any of these points are crucial for you, maybe you should consider another place. For me, the pros are a lot higher and these points are not a big deal, that's why I chose to come and stay here. Thank you. 🙏
And you are more then welcome to do so!
@@YoChocoTube thanks!
@@murateren5712 Hé, every now and then we need a fresh pair of eyes telling us how we can improve - so you are actually doing us a favor.
That's how I see it.
@@murateren5712 Let oop on those crazy bikers man xD. And again dominos aint sh*** but uncooked dou and tricks.
Nice video!
I am Dutch and I can agree with your 5 points.
I won't add a 'but', because I can imagine that for a lot of other countries a list of negative points can be way worse. So I count my blessings.
You're absolutely right. For me the pros are also way more. That's why I'm here. :)
Believe me, you are BLESSED in the Nederlands. I'm from the Philippines! Need I say more?
so how dutch ppl treat South east asian students moving to amsterdam?
i mean if he starts with weather it cant be extremely bad
@@epbbarcia174 you could... the fact you send couple of hundreds home, Worthing as much as two gold bars, your values is the same in the Netherlands as in Philippines, and you know and feel that...
Having lived in London I can see many similarities between the UK and Dutch culture based on what you described in your video. Guess there is no such thing as the perfect place, we just need to set priorities when choosing where to live. Thanks for sharing Murat
Exactly my point. :) Thank you for sharing your experience.
you probably joking
I lived in NL 10y ago and now I am in London, i born in Italy.. but I am considering to back in the NL.. I miss Italy but no chance of get decent job!
What do you mean there is no such thing as a perfect place? Mississippi is.🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@EricaShady10171972 never been to Mississipi, but glad to hear you find it perfect!
"you guys are gonna hate me for this, but the weather sucks" no Im pretty sure most of us 100% agree with this
Haha if you check the comments section you will see I was right 😅
I dont agree. I love the weather here
Indeed. Weather sucks.
I got depression from that weather 🗿
@Back2 Nature well just check the comments section 😅
If you look within Amsterdam, yes, it's probably ridiculously hard to find an apartment, but I have a lot of friends from many cultures and countries and I noticed that a common mistake to make is to think the ONLY viable places to live is in the city itself (or it's outskirts). The biggest difference with many other countries is that most countries have bigger cities and less many big cities compared to their country's size. So there, to get a proper job, everyone has to live very close to the big cities.
In the Netherlands however, even though there are much less people living here, we live on a way smaller surface area, making many places (as long as it's in the so-called "Randstad") very densely lived. So DO NOT only search in Amsterdam! The amazing public transport/train system can give you a smooth travel to Amsterdam while you can live in a just as dense and lively city that is relatively close to Amsterdam in travel-time. I am talking about Rotterdam, Gouda, Leiden, Utrecht, The Hague. From Rotterdam Central Station to Amsterdam Central Station is a high speed line and you can be from one station to another in less than 40 minutes.(and Rotterdam is comparatively quite far from Amsterdam than some other cities) The trains are comfy and relatively reliable and many jobs compensate your travel costs. Small country = better infrastructure. Roads, rails, highways AND bicycle paths. Most people go by train, take a rental bike and bike the last 10 minutes in Amsterdam to their office.
We might have too much rain :) But we don't have: Tornadoes, Tsunami's, Sandstorms, Volcano's, Forrest fires, Earthquakes, Snow storms, Blizzard storms and (almost) no dangerous animals. Basically the only nature disaster you might die off, is some mediocre flooding due to rain fall, but we tackled that problem 70 years ago already and now being flooded is quite a miracle. Bummer... x) But I prefer that 'a little too much rain', if you don't mind.
Side note:
I am living in Berlin, Germany atm and I had a terrible time finding an apartement there. We had an German speaking person we paid to find an apartment and come with us on visits for translation and still it took us over 6 months and, I kid you not, about 100 viewings of apartments. This lack-of-apartments problem is in all major cities in western EU and is BY FAR not unique to Amsterdam. The difference is, if we wanted to have a good connection to my husbands office, he has to travel an hour to get in Berlin and then another 45 minutes to anywhere INSIDE Berlin. Because no matter how lovely their Public Transport; The city is just too big to get anywhere in a reasonable amount of time, without living in at least the outskirts of the city. A stark contrast to all my experiences in NL, because everything is smaller and much more manageable.
wow this was so helpful!!!
Well, in recent years we have earthquakes - in the north only, due to the gas extraction.
Thanks for talking about these issues, many people just don’t talk about them. Been here for over two years and I love Netherlands but I agree with your points especially on the fact that relationships with others being quite superficial.
Thank you for your comment 😊 me too, I love my (new) country but like every place there are some down sides to it. Thankfully the positive sides are much more 😊
Yes he was so accurate with this point... it annoys me as well and I am from NL
Agree! Aa Dutch guy said to me today they are the "warmest, kindest and friendly people you will ever meet". He clearly haven't traveled much...
@@sumimaind Also they are pretty delusional about themselves. I've noticed the ones who praise the Netherlands the loudest are.. the Dutch. I've been living here 10 months and most people I met were fake nice and covertly mean and arrogant.
@@sumimaind lol . Most Dutch people has never traveled and has been in their small village or town so their mind is closed. This is very normal for small sized countries.
I'm Dutch, I totally agree with all points.
I think the microaggressions are very real, and something that Dutch people will hopefully become more sensitive about in the future. I think part of this however is Dutch directness and bluntness. Of course this does not explain the racist undertones, but I do think a lot of these questions are genuine curiosity.
I know plenty of Dutch people who have no non-Dutch friends. And they have no clue how other cultures work, or what other people's worlds look like. And in Dutch culture it's generally acceptable to ask questions like this to people who live different lives to yours. Vegans are asked if they don't miss meat, Christians are asked if they don't have sex before marriage etc. even when you meet people for the first or second time.
I'm definitely not saying there is no racism in questions like this, or that your experience being on the receiving end of these is not real. I'm just trying to say that Dutch directness might be part of the equation here and can be very hard to get used to if you're not Dutch. Because it lays prejudices bare and puts them in the open. I do think it's also a chance to get rid of those prejudices, and it's also perfectly acceptable to tell people that that was a pretty personal question, or confront them with their racism.
"Dutch Americano" has a good video about the topic.
As an aside, the comments about Moroccans or cleaning toilets have absolutely nothing to do with Dutch directness, and are just super fucking racist. Fuck those people. I'm sorry that happened and I seriously hope we get better at this as a country. Those people need to be called out publicly and confronted with their racist views.
Hi Len. Thanks a lot for your comment and for understanding.
Racist clowns in every country, I lived two years in the hague and had many dutch friends, the directness is real and great when dealing with the ladies, I miss den haag every day, I will make it back soon.im irish living in usa now. HE LP
Turkey is 10 times as racist dumbass
No, sjoerd
It also doesn't help that plenty of second generation immigrants (at the moment I don't know a better term for this) keep feeding the "flames of racism", something often left out of the discussion. These flames shouldn't exist in the first place, I fully agree with that.
What I mean by this is that these people often exclude themselves from the Dutch culture, barely make any effort to fit in and cling to the roots of where they came from, grouping together, only speaking Arabic amongst eachother and holding pro-Erdogan demonstrations in The Netherlands. If there is a football/soccer match between The Netherlands and Turkey for instance, 99% of those second generation immigrants will support Turkey despite being Native born Dutch people. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing and it might be the result of not feeling welcome due to racism, but to many Dutch people this comes across as not wanting to be part of the Dutch culture and society. This is just based on my personal experiences though and in no way representative of The Netherlands as a whole.
To give another example, I have a friend with Turkish roots who as a child was adopted by two Dutch parents. Because he grew up with two white parents he doesn't speak Arabic and isn't a Muslim and he feels shunned and unwelcomed by the Turkish/Moroccan community because of this.
the part about the taxes is not entirely true, yes we pay high taxes here in the Netherlands but what you get in return for that is way better compared to the rest of most of the 1st world. our school system is one of the best, our infrastructure and roads is of the safest en best in the world. health care is also among the best in the world, and the best part is that it is available for everyone and you wont be 100000 euro's in debt afterwards. so yes we pay more taxes compared to most country's but we get way more in return for it.
You forget about our social system, if you get fired, can't work due to any handicap, become a senior etc. we do have a social payment plan. As well the support plans for people with a low income for rent or health insurance, child support everybody can ask for etc.. And the 50% income tax is only due to people with high incomes. There are lower tax rates at 32% and 42% for people with average (or just above average) incomes.
@@gilles111 .. U heeft gelijk, NL was een van de beste landen om in te leven en werken. Ik ben geboren op de Wallen te Amsterdam en heb enorm genoten van mijn jeugd. Mijn ouders hadden een zaak tegenover het Stadhuis dat toen opereerde op de Oude Zijdsvoorbugwal. Ik wilde als kind bij de Politie en het lukte mij, na mijn Militaire Dienst 1.5 te studeren voor Politie Agent om dan, gelukkig, te werken aan het Bureau Warmoesstraat. Maar daar zag je de andere kant van wat we gewend zijn van de NLse bevolking. Veel gereisd en zag hoe NL politiek bergafwaarts ging. Emigreren was voor de toekomst en dat heb ik dan gedaan. Prachktig leven, goedkoper, bekvechtende mensen, rachtige natuur, weer woon gelegenheden. In het buitenland kan een NLr Miljonair worden en er van genieten, iets dat minder mogelijk en aangenamer is in NL. Rascisme zoals in NL bestaat hier, in de tropen, Caribbean, Zuid en Centraal Amerika niet. Ik ben het volkomen eens met de heer die de video heeft gemaakt. Sorry en, het gaat U goed ...
This is called intelligent redistribution of wealth.
Excellent example of a working social democracy,
@@ek5891 they dont go to highschool at 12 there is no such thing as highschool in the netherlands
There is also a HUGE discrimination against non Dutch speakers when trying to find a place to rent. I remember calling the Real Estate in English and they said there was no more viewings available. Then my boyfriend called them in Dutch and booooom, all of a sudden, they had free space. Such JERKS!
Oh I had no idea about that! It sucks big time if that's happening. My experience looking for a place changed drastically as my income increased. :D I remember renting my first place, it was a lot harder. The minute they see you in the 'expat' category things change, in my experience.
@@murateren5712 Yes, I understand. But rejecting someone just because they don't speak Dutch (and not even checking their income first) is a problem.
@@mar3053 yes definitely! That stinks of racism.
Not just in the housing market, but it can pretty much limit you in only labor type of jobs, where you wont get paid much either, but for sure you will be pushed to the limits, till you break yourself.
@@murateren5712 nope: it is perhaps xenophobic, or maybe just experienced problems in the past with non-dutch speaking tenants.
I've been living in Rotterdam for several months, and coming from a very different country like Italy, I needed some time to adapt. Finding accommodation it's quite annoying too, and the bureaucracy sometimes can be kind of tricky, especially for foreigners. As more than 50% of the people here was born abroad, the general attitude is kind of varied :D more than sometimes it has been quite easy to hear stereotypes about the Italian people and the idea we work and live in a "chilling" way, like we are living on holiday (trust me we DON'T). However I try not to bother too much :)
Giuliano DL that's great if you can manage not to bother. Let's see in 10 years 😅
i am ab to move to Rotterdam can you tell me what is the annoying parts in Finding accommodation
@@fatisummer9106 It is generally messy to find an accommodation in Rotterdam, but a lot depends by some details.
For example:
Are you a student and/or a worker?
Are you looking for a house/apartment for your own or a room?
Do you live outside EU?
If you are going to work, do you already have a job or an agreement with some company?
The beaurocracy can be quite annoying. However with the current situation many internationals might have left the country, so finding accomodation could be slightly easy.
Ciao! Sono italiana anche io....
È davvero così "frustrante" vivere lì? Io e il mio partner stiamo considerando l'idea di trasferirci all'estero in futuro, e i Paesi Bassi sarebbero un'opzione... Ma vorrei considerare diversi punti di vista di diverse persone!
Grazie per l'eventuale risposta! 😅
@@gladydea Ciao Gladysha, le opinioni sui Paesi Bassi sono spesso contrastanti in quanto dipendano prevalentemente da fattori soggettivi. I punti indicati in questo video sono a mio parere veri e ce ne sarebbero molti altri da considerare. Se tu ed il tuo partner siete interessati a trasferirvi in Olanda in futuro, molto dipenderà anche dalla città che sceglierete: Amsterdam, Rotterdam e Den Haag (per citare le tre più famose) sono infatti MOLTO diverse tra loro. All'interno della comunità internazionale (inclusa quella italiana) alcuni adorano questo paese, altri se lo fanno andare bene, mentre altri ancora proprio non si trovano bene. Se vuoi, ti posso lasciare il mio indirizzo email dove ti posso rispondere in maniera più dettagliata. Fa sempre piacere dare una mano
As a Dutchie I agree with all points. Anecdotal: I had colleagues in Istanbul, one funny difference is Dutchies always check the "rain alert"-app to see whether they can cycle somewhere. Turkish colleagues (in Istanbul) were always checking the traffic-app; "what route do I need to take to get home in this crazy traffic" :-D
Hahah that's so funny and so Turkish indeed! :)
it's more about the social weather 🤣🤣 always cloudy... you are real dutchie, agree all point but let's small talk about the weather 🤣🤣🤣🤣
In my Spanish provine, Asturias, rain 2 of 3 days (all day long), we do not care if it rains (we expect so), and 1-3 days of full Sun light/year,.... I still remember a year in which a heat wave manage to cross the mountains, it was 26ºC,...
@@pabf274526c lol 😂 😅. Aussies laugh 🤭 . Over 30s heatwave yup under 30 Nup
Totally agree with what you said. I am from Tunisia and I got the same type of micro aggressions. I can understand that it can be due to clumsiness sometimes. I think it is great that you are spreading awareness on this for future expats/international students. It was also very surprising to me to see how people over plan for literally anything here. It has its good sides, but spontaneity has a lot of good things to bring in life :)
Exactly my feelings 😊 thanks for your comment 🙏
Here we go. we all know that many racist Dutch people there. They can only be proud in their country
Your English is quite enjoyable to listen to. I don't speak Turkish so I'd prefer videos in English. ^^
Helen Nunes thanks! :) That's very nice to hear and gives me confidence in my English!
I don't want to raise any question here nor been stupid, but that statement sound like "micro aggression" according to what u explain! 🤔
hi
Because you know English
@@Kaiussl That's exactly what l thought!,😂😂We better don't compliment him about his English or it will be considered "Microaggression" 🤦♀️smh... people emigrate and then they believe everybody in that country is a racist...🙄🤷♀️
I hate the small talks, just leave me alone on monday morning, don't ask me about my weekend XD
Marleen Visscher same here 😅
Not sure if that’s a typical Dutch thing. I’m Dutch and lived in other countries like USA and currently in Switzerland, and here it’s exactly the same. Also not a big fan of it, but I wouldn’t classify it as typically “Dutch”.
Not only on monday morning, most of you dutch people don't want to be in contact with foreigners. Dutch people are 'hokjesman', they're only with their own people..
@@toniangelo555 thats bcoz ure bulgarian
That’s an introvert 😊
Murat, I'm a Dutchman and because of the Corona virus I'm still abroad against my will. But seeing your video I think I can change your mind about the Netherlands. As soon I am back I want to invite you and let you see another side of the Netherlands you maybe haven't seen. And I am sure you will change your mind. I'm looking forward to that.
Henk Kroeze I love the Netherlands. No need to change my mind about it. Please watch my other video about the pros of the NL.
@@murateren5712 it might make you see things from a different perspective though 😉
It'll make you understand things that we do or say from the source and not from an outside view
I'm living for 11 years in Brazil and the only reason I got to understand the way they do things here was to blend in on their level and see things trough their eyes, it doesn't mean that I agree with them 100% though, but surely it's an eye-opener on a daily bases.
Classesanytime classesanytime you're right of course but I've been living here for 9 years, speak the language (not as well as I would like to), and I work and socialise with Dutch people. So I don't think I need to spend a day with a Dutch person :)
@@murateren5712 Good for you Murat 👍
I like your videos and hope you'll make many more !!
You should be who you are and enjoy or dislike all in your own way as an individual.
I just meant it as you could see the "Why" we do or say things from a different perspective, that's all.
Classesanytime classesanytime thanks! :) I try every day to understand why certain things are done. I understand some and some I don't. :) But no one can change who they are, and overall I'm very happy in this country. :)
i lived in netherlands for 3 years , i know people face racism microaggression as you say which is very unfortunate , so i just want to light up with one of the incident that made my day in past
so i was new, and i was at the bus stop waited for 20 mints or so and there was no bus in sight .
there was this very old man he didn't know english but he did not give up until i understood that at that particular stop (very remote place) the last bus was already gone , he used hand gestures also the picture board to point out that :D it was so sweet
Researches conducted by separate institutions showed that the candidates who have Turkish surnames were less likely to be called for a job interview, even if they are as qualified as other applicants. I think racism problem in Netherlands is much bigger than some ignorant people name-calling foreigners. Not to mention other instances such as the police commenting "One less Turk" upon a death of a Turkish girl.
Yes, great examples Selen. And so sad...
Dude Dutch racism is HUGE.
This exists in every country. It's human. Nobody has ever been able to show data that this is better anywhere else. The fact of the matter is that there are just many different groups of migrants in The Netherlands nowadays, especially in the cities, so the chance that it occurs here is much higher. It's really not nice of you to say that it's specific to Dutch culture. Do you think this makes us like or dislike groups like yours more?
Yeah no. I disagree here. It is normal to have preference for surnames that come from your country. Nothing racist about it.
we all know true heart of most dutch people
Information about the Netherlands for people from abroad who want to live in the Netherlands,1 The Netherlands is a small country with a relatively large population, so housing, work and space is scarce, 2 the climate of the Netherlands is a maritime climate wet and linked to the temperature of the sea, 3 dutch culture, dutch people do not like difference in treatment, so for foreigners who have a strong tendency to express their cultural identity, be prepared dutch people do not go along with that and just treat you like that if they treat other dutch people and are irritated if you want to be treated differently, for the Dutch there is no foreigner privilege , 4 very important, the Netherlands is a very expensive country to live in, rent of housing is expensive, taxes are many and expensive, food is expensive, energy and fuel is expensive, so even though a wage seems high for your understanding in the Netherlands it is just enough to live on, 5 if you don't like these things an honest dutch answer, please don't come to the Netherlands.
I am Dutch and I think I get what you mean by 'microagressions'. Obviously the ones you mentioned were actually quite bad and blatant, but in my head I can "see" even smaller ones happening. I hate it when that happens because these microaggressions are often so subtle that it's actually difficult for me to say something about it, to step in and defend the foreign person. When you can't quite tell whether it was insulting or not, or you can't quite find the words to explain why it's offensive, it's hard! I've lived abroad, so maybe that's why I am a bit more sensitive to this issue? I think a lot of Dutch people, for all our internationalism (people coming here but we also travel a lot), have little experience being the outsider.
One thing that I hypothesize happens/goes wrong, is that in Dutch culture, some people have this weird thing that by making a mildly offensive joke about you, they signal that you are good friends. Because if you aren't good friends you wouldn't be permitted to make jokes at each others' expense. So this could be a joke linking to your country or culture. However, a lot of Dutch people somehow don't have the sensitivity that if someone is already the outsider this will not feel inclusive at all. This will secretly hurt. They don't think they need to adjust/tone down this behavior, but they really should when the other person may come from a different culture. Sometimes I want to say to my fellow Dutchmen "you don't *have* to say these so-called funny things that come into your head". Also, I don't think most Dutch people realize how bad they themselves handle jokes or a little bit of criticism as in this video about Dutch culture. (NB: I don't say this to make excuses for Dutch people by explaining it away as a cultural difference; I just try to understand why they do it and why they can't see how it's hurtful)
M thank you so much for your comments. You get exactly what I mean and what it feels like. Obviously, I can take jokes from friends. Actually I think race jokes can be the funniest if done well. But I'm talking about people that I don't know and that want to show me their 'superiority' by making stupid assumptions about my country. But it's good to know there are people that are sensitive about these things! 😊🙏
I can relate, I once asked a Cambodia kid it must be expensive for him to live abroad... he didn’t take it well, but on my side I’m just starting a conversation and showing general care about him...
I've been countless times to the Netherlands but have never actually lived there. However, I know of foreigners that live or have lived in the country who wrote that being "direct" and speaking your mind often does not go both ways there: it seems like migrants are perceived or called out as "too sensitive" if they cannot handle Dutch directness, however, when foreigners based there politely voice their criticisms about NL and its people, these comments often do not go down well with locals...I don't know whether this has been your experience as well.
Don't come here them were not going to change who we are because you don't like it. Then maybe choose another country.
@@ricardomeertens9165 Too bad, I *am* going to 'change' (rather, be a different kind of Dutch person) because people have indicated they don't like it. I believe in changing the parts of culture/yourself that aren't so good.
Thanks Murat I checked out your other videos and I can honestly say that every video is fun and full of experience and knowledge.Thank you for being out there and sharing your thoughts about living in Netherlands,it really helps people who are planning to move there
Thanks Volkan! Much appreciated 😊🙏
Günaydin Murat,
(Yes, no, I'm not Turkish myself. I just know one or two words.:))
The weather is the weather. I haven't seen a good winter, spring or summer since 2008. It's mostly always autumn. That is not something we can do anything about, YET. But when a machine is invented to change the weather, you can bet your life that the inventor will be Dutch. Because we find our weather rather boring too!
If you live in Amsterdam, you''re not living in the Netherlands. Amsterdam is the most expensive place in the Netherlands to live, because there are so many people there, and many of them are foreigners. THAT is why buying or renting a house, studio, apartment or even just a room, is extremely expensive in Amsterdam. But the further you go away from that place, the better it gets.
Speaking English, or Turkish or ANY other language is fine as long as you stay in Amsterdam, but it will invariably brand you as an outsider. And there are so many outsiders in Amsterdam, that even the Dutch people will often speak English, because that's easier. But if you move away from Amsterdam, you'll find less and less foreigners, and Dutch people speak Dutch. So you will need to speak Dutch as well. And THAT will make it a lot easier to make friends.
I know people here in Leeuwarden, who have their roots in Turkey, Morocco, China and other places, some of which speak better Frisian than I. You only hear those people speak their native language amongst themselves. These people have Dutch friends, because they've integrated with the Dutch culture a little more than anyone will ever expect from anyone who lives in Amsterdam.
Making friends is not something the Dutch do at work. The people we work with ar just co-workers, colleagues, acquaintances. Which means that all conversations will be shallow surface talk, not very deep and intimate. Friends are people that you have a lot in common with OUTSIDE work or school. Hobbies, for example. Go to a fitness center, or go do some team sport to make friends.
You may have lived in Amsterdam for the past 9 years, my friend, but you know very little about living in the Netherlands yet. I myself would not want to live in Amsterdam, because it is too crowded, and too big, and too expensive. I would rather move anywhere else.
Thanks for the English speaking video. I GREATLY appreciate it.
Thank you!
Number 4; about the houses in Amsterdam, i'll explain it as good as i can: Amsterdam is the capital of the country which makes the houses already more expensive, then Amsterdam is part of the "randstad" that makes it more expensive too, so you better can buy a house in a place close to Amsterdam, but not actually in Amsterdam and you're saving a lot of money.
Thanks for the great insight!
What is randstad can u plz explain?
@@NitinGupta-qm6hj a randstad is where the most important places are and in the netherlands thats in the west part of the country
@@NitinGupta-qm6hj Randstad is the region that consists of Amsterdam, Rotterdam, the Hague and Utrecht.
Bro even outside of Amsterdam you're being extorted.
If you do business with any Dutch person you are being extorted.
That's just how ''business'' ''works'' over here. Everyone is in debt but that's the ''Dutch'' way innit
Thanks Murat for the video! As someone with dutch ancestry living in South Africa, I plan to move to the Netherlands after graduating from college. Knowing why not to move is so much more important than knowing why to move. A lot of videos are made by people who have only stayed there for a short while and only lived in Amsterdam or other major cities.
Thank you so much 🙏
As a Eastern European woman I can relate to your last point. If you are not from Western European country, or USA, Canada etc. you are going to get lot of comments about your country and people. "Do you have elevators in your country?"
"Do you have butter in your country?"
" She is not actually white"( with my blond hair and green eyes) meaning probably "not right kind of white" :)))
- there is lot of ignorance mixed with arrogance, and actually quite a lot of racism.
A friend got black grandchild and discovered it, while walking with the baby. She was in shock from comments that she got on streets of Amsterdam.
But, it could be worst. Like Denmark or Ukraine, or Hungary. Those are hard core racists.
I’m Dutch (born and raised) and I think you were very polite. I think there is a lot of racism and xenophobia in the Netherlands. A lot of misogyny as well, and I can know, I’m a woman. Dutch are very ignorant about themselves and their culture. Not really self reflective because we lack openness, like you said. Then people ACT like everything is fine and dandy, but problems are just hidden and not talked about. Just start about Zwarte Piet, and then all hell breaks lose. You see what I mean..?
Just don’t tell the other Dutch, It will upset them and they will blame you for their own foolishness 😉
couldn't agree more. the misogyny is shocking to me. I work in hospitality and men expect me to treat them like Gods, the entitlement and insecurity of locals are off the roof.
@@easygii Really? I am dutch and would like to know more if you would be willing to take the time. Could you give a few examples of what you mean?
I really appreciate this video. There's a million videos about how great living in the Netherlands is, and I don't doubt it's great, I just want to get a better picture of what it is I would be getting myself into. I think your video does a great job of providing some more perspective. Thanks!
Thank you for understanding the purpose of the video 🙏😊
Turn back while you still can
If you like being poor and discriminated against and having a corrupt government in a country that makes ZERO progress
Then you'll love it here.
Reason #1: Xenophobia and racism runs rampant in the Netherlands. Let's just call a spade a spade and not an agricultural implement. Nearly 13% of people in the Netherlands have reported being discrimated against in 2021/22. 1.6 million reported acts of discrimination but most people don't report it. It's everything from unprovoked profanity, insults/verbal abuse, rude remarks, belittling, passive aggressive behaviour, to filthy looks, snickering, stares, unfriendliness etc. There is also institutional racism in the labor market and housing market to name a few. Immigrants or those of immigrant ancestry generally have access to far less opportunities because of said racism and xenophobia.
So sad...
Now let's talk about all the shit expats say about Dutch people, because that somehow never gets mentioned. Maybe because it's not 'woke' to do so.
Some examples:
-you are all so greedy
-you don't care about your family at all
-Dutch people can't dance
-your food is disgusting/bland
-Dutch women are sluts
-Dutch women don't care about appearance and are manly
-aren't all of you on drugs?
-your country is just weed and criminals
-Dutch people are so anal about time
-Dutch people are arrogant
-Dutch people don't want to speak Dutch on purpose (actually it's because we're so used to foreigners we automatically switch)
-on the other hand, I have been snapped at for addressing someone in Dutch because I thought they were Dutch. This is actually INSANE because it's our native language and I speak English to help other peopoe whenever I know they're not Dutch. This funnily enough makes some other expats mad (see point above)
-the Netherlands is so boring. Who would want to holiday here?
-Dutch people are weird. They eat so early.
-None of you know how to dress
-Dutch people are cold and don't care about others (funnily enough one of the best social systems in the world).
-Dutch people are all coarse and unelegant.
-Dutch people have such stupid ways of celebrating birthdays. You all sit in a circle and talk about boring stuff
Also, our weddings (too small because Dutch people are greedy), funerals (too somber, there isn't even booze), vacation style (just sitting in a muddy tent somewhere), Christmas (not family oriented enough) are all stupid too.
And many many more. If I got a euro for all the times I have heard anything we do called weird or other negative things I would be very rich indeed.
Maybe I should call these frequently returning comments micro aggressions from now on too.
I remember my flatmate and I found a great place by oosterpark and I mentioned this to a Dutch "friend" who said, oh, but wait, there are lots of immigrants there... I said.. well, yes, I am well. The friend responded... oh, but you are different. In other words, being white meant I was the right type of immigrant. But this type of thing happened to me in Berlin when I lived there for a bit. I got told numerous times how I was taking jobs... so little things like that bothered me. I come from an immigrant country, so that attitude is quite foreign to me. If you work and are supporting yourself, you are welcome where ever...
Yes so true and so sad..
I got an offer of €38,500 gross a year to work in The Hague. Any idea if this is good to live comfortably for a single person? I checked online and the apartments are around €1000 without bills for one bedroom unfurnished apartment.
Hi there. No idea what your life standards are, but I think if you pay €1000 for rent, you wouldn't have that much to spend on your social life. Your net income will be €2500. Health insurance is min €100, your bills around €200, groceries €400 more or less. If you have a dinner outside you pay least €25 these days, so maybe this gives you an idea.. But you can definitely live with that amount.
Oh I just thought of this, you should check the 30% ruling requirement. Depending on your age your income might be less than the requirement, and that tax benefit makes a big difference. You can read about this online.
@@murateren5712 I dont think I am qualified for the 30% rule as my offer is around €38,500 gross a year. The problem is even for €1000 it seems you cant get one bedroom furnished apartment in the Hague.
How can the weather suck? I love it. I HATE hot humid weather . I live in India and its torture summers are mad I visited TN in December and I loved the cold. Plus it's to each his/her own. I love rainy weather, dark skies, hate the sun. So its upto each individual. Moreover I hate it when people call the last minute to "make plans." I block my dates and plan my calender even here for a month. That's called planning esp if you have a consistent work or studied. I think being organized is a good thing.
N K everything I said is personal. I started my video stating that.
Nah, the weather is actually pretty mild, practically im half naked like 99% of the year, and the last time my windows were shut was when the rain was showering into the room. Most people here dont know what is scorching hot or bonefreezing cold. Im just laughing at them all year around when they complaining about weather. :D
Can someone please tell me how does the Netherlands compared to Canada and / or Australia?
The Netherlands is a claustrophobic, wet, plat als een pannenkoek, klein postzegellandje met plaatselijke opklaringen,2 weken per jaar zomer dan alles weer potdicht met loodgrijze luchten, waar de mensen op fietsen tussen de buien door tegen de harde wind in trappen. Net nog zoals in de 1950’s. Australia is 200 x groter, blauwe luchten en het is er warmer, veel warmer.......
Thank you for this video. I am planning to move to this Netherlands and you're helping me take a more informed decision.
You're welcome, and great to hear. :) Please also watch my video with the positive sides. It will help you better with your decision.
I, as a dutchman, agree with all of your points. Your english is very clear and I like your calm and clear aproach of the topics. Number 1: The weather here IS always grey. It is seldom a clear, sunny day with 20 degrees. Most of the time is is cloudy and or raining, or in the summer it is over 30 degrees and dry. Number 2: In North-West Europe like the Netherlands and Germany, we have a packed agenda and we try to do as much as we can in a day. This means we can't always do things ad hoc as we please. This is something that is not easily changed and we have to live for it. When you get accustumed to it, it also has it's benefits. an apointment at 12:00 is between 11:55 and 12:05, you will not waste your time waiting. The shallow smalltalk is true. It has nothing to do with different cultures, the Dutch are shallow and careful with everyone besides close friends. Number 3: We are a small country with little differences. although you can travel to every side of the country within a few hours, people always feel it is a great distance. It is small and packed, the whole country is filled with cities and villages, there is almost no place in the Netherlands where you can sit and don't hear a car or any other sound from others. Number 4: Expances are high in the Netherlands. Since it is a small country with a lot of people living here, the demand of housing is high and the offer is low so the prices for housing are of the charts. Beside that, infrastructure, healthcare and such is very good but it all has to be paid with the money of the taxpayer. Don't expect to get rich here if you are an hounest hardworking man providing your family but you can have a pleasant live while paying for everything. Number 5: This is a little difficult one, I think that is why you saved it for last. I agree with you. As a dutchman, let me try to give you my view of this. With Sweden, Denmark, the UK an Luxembourg, the Netherlands is very tolerant. Not only to foreigners but to every other way of thinking in the broadest sence. That said, every nation has it's rotten apples and small minded people. I think that Turkish people are one of the most accepted people here in the Netherlands. I think the microaggression is a result of dutch people not familiar with foreign traditions and some of the foreigners sticking into communities of their own culture without integrating (I see people live here for 30+ years and barely speaking Dutch). Plus the fact that a lot of people comming to the Netherlands have an educational, financial disadvantage to people who grew up here, gives them a higher chance to choose the criminal path, wich result in prejudice against foreigners. It is a delicate mather and not easily changed, only time can people realize that we are actually all the same and accept that we have our own lives. Barış.
So good 👏👏 Thank you for breaking things down 🙏
I don't think Turkish people are the most accepted, this is because of the amount of immigrants we had during the workers shortage and the type of workers that came during that time. During that time a lot of not educated people came to work in the Netherlands and do jobs that didn't require education, think cleaning, factory work etc. Then when we went into recession and we had a job surplus people were mad at the immigrant we brought in because they were now taking up what few jobs there were and that sentiment hasn't changed much. I also think people dislike the connection people keep to their home country disliking the dual citizenship they receive if one of the parents is Turkish, seeing it as a "betrayal" or at least not a full commitment to the country in which you have lived your entire life.
Yes, its is raining a lot in my country, but my country is very green, and that is because of the rain, so i prefer the rain.
Good for you Helen.
@Jack T Exactly. I already made a video explaining why the Netherlands is such an awesome country and why I chose to live here. Here I'm just saying if the weather is your top priority in a country and if you don't like the rain as much as Helen does :D then well maybe you should think twice.
Thanks for the videos in English. I GREATLY appreciate it. It's very educational for me. Thanks for sharing.
I am Dutch but spent about two decades outside of NL and recognise a lot of your point. I migrated back 3 years ago and yeah the planning in life, "micro agression" or no filter as I call can be very annoying, size of the country... Well is it a country or a city. Dutch directness is difficult for many who are not Dutch. People just make statements without any filters (often).
As for turkey spent a lot of time working in instanbul and did experience snow over there
But in all honesty I don't really understand why The Dutch say they are direct. They are direct when it comes to work but socially I would say they are super indirect, they never say how they really feel
@@sumimaind When it comes to their feelings their communication tends to be very shallow or even elusive or an outright lie, is this what you mean?
@@sumimaind I find the Dutch more passive-agressive
I did the unplanned visits a lot with my friends in the Netherlands, not sure if that has changed since I left?
I hate smalltalk to... but as I am a very grumpy sarcastic person nobody tries to chat smalltalk to me anymore... I love it
Thank you, for doing it in English and not in Turkish (or Dutch), this way I and a much more diverse group can understand and participate, thank you.
This is your first video in my algorithm, and *I agree there are "disadvantages" thank you for pointing them out, and talking about them.*
(I am Dutch, from Limburg, down in the South the not flat part of the Netherlands.)
1 Weather; I agree; cold, gray and rain, but things have been changing.
We might not have the white winters and "elfstedentochten" but we did have them at one point in our history.
I remember snow and white winters as a small child. My parents and grandparents had different winters then I did, etc.
Also it depends on the locations in the Netherlands with temperatures, because of climate. Coastal vs non-coastal. The south is almost always warmest in the summers. Add to that climate changes. In Limburg it was 30+ degrees past week, it is only June. Agree 15 - 25+ degrees used to be more "normal" average temperatures for spring/summer, but that hasn't happened in years by now.
Seasons we have, we have the trees indicators of that most. But then you probably need a setting more in or surrounded by nature. I hear you mentioning Amsterdam, for instance.
2 Social: True. Generally speaking, this is true. There are some friends or family members that might have a less "planned" structure, but then that is part of the "loosely" planned structure. Everything is structured like that here, basically. We plan ahead.
Shallow, work conversations true; I fully agree, also depending on the workplace, and work culture. For instance the hairdresser; I've worked at them, these are more social places, but it depends on the customer. One can get to be on a very close and friendly basis, talking about their lives.
But more "manly" cultures are a lot harsher, I have problems dealing with them as well. I understand what you are saying.
Night life; weather is different, climate is different. Drinking in public area is restricted, limited. But then if you don't litter, or become annoying or bothersome, we are flexible up to a certain point.
3 Small country: limited options & expenses; Taxes are a good thing, it could be more fair, this also pays for social benefits etc.
Housing shortage, agree, Amsterdam, yes. But as said I am not from Holland, I'm from Limburg and there are differences.
In my opinion there is a lot of diversity in the Netherlands. But there is not a lot of mixing and deep (positive) interaction.
And our system used to be more social and less capitalistic as it is now days.
4 Micro aggressions: True this is here as well.
But in my experience this goes both ways.
I think I understand the dynamics in this, and yes this happens.
Also this happens full on in you face and in the open, but on a lesser scale.
As a homosexual I know this happens both ways.
I experience it, also by some migrants if they are religious Islamic. But then also all Dutch Christians are not of the right faith. (This is also not limited to Islam, but other Abrahamic religions. And depending on their sect or branch within this.) There is a homosexual imam, this is a no go to say.
Even if it is fact. We then can debate on what an Imam is etc. and the religious aspects etc. But that is not the point, and it is, at the same time to point out this goes both ways.
And I see and hear what you talk about. Towards immigrants and other minorities, it all stems from the same root.
And I notice them not having awareness on both sides this is happening and taking place.
Dutch girls called and treated like whores, because cultural differences. Abuse, etc. polygamy even if it is illegal in the Netherlands, this also happens, homophobia happens, Islam-phobia happens, racism happens, etc. These are hard truths, and it's both ways.
WE all have dark shadow sides to us and our histories and cultures and traditions.
@bubbles bunny wait why do they treat Dutch girls like whores?
Amsterdam is very expensive - 1200 for a studio
Me in Dublin sipping my pint of Guinness from a 1800/month studio
Anshuman Ranjan ouch! 😅
I've seen apartments in Amsterdam listed for as low as 600 euros per month, there's fewer to choose from and they seem to go away the next day I check, but it's possible to rent cheaply, it seems.
@@ex0stasis72 there are some projects where you can register and get affordable houses but anything I see on Facebook groups etc I would be very careful with
@@murateren5712 Ya, thanks, I'm finding more about that lately. I'm just "window shopping" right now because I don't think I can move until another year or two.
@@ex0stasis72 good luck with it! 😊
I would like to move to netherlands but the fact that its a small country i'm worried i'll quickly get tired of it. And are there jobs for foreigners there?
Hi, I'm dutch so perhaps I can help you. 1 The Netherlands is pretty small compared to other countries but there is still a huge variarity, so unless you're a real world traveler it shouldn't cause too much trouble. 2. About getting an job here isn't that easy for a foreigner. Ofc you can get small jobs like working in a supermarket, but otherwise you need to get good references first (unless you're lucky or already have a really good reputation). Also there are still discriminating bosses so try to avoid them, it's better to look futher and wait longer to get to a place where people really accept you than get a better and faster job but have feeling uncomfortable between the other employee's. Hope this helped (;
In addition to what Yoshi said, it's pretty easy to travel to other countries once you're living here. Also workwise try international companies. They won't discriminate..
@@murateren5712 thanks
You can hardly survive without a side hustle 😂
😂 😂 😂 I am a carpenter making about €130
😲 😲 😲 😲
@@carmellacarie6827 I am a trader too did you sign up for any course or did you self learn?
Gym instructor
I heard some even earn double of that.
Hey Can I know where did you buy your sweater ? It looks damn good !!
Haha thanks! It was from Tommy Hilfigher. 😄
I expected some hard to deal with things, but, literally everything in this video is the same or better than where I live.
Guess I know where I'm moving!
Yes the weather is NOT Mediterranean, they well plan everything and Netherland is a rich country (so ALL salaries/cost are ok)
Hi, I am living in the Netherlands for the past 2 1/2 years as an ex-pat I too agree with what you said , especially the climate here really sucks..sorry to say but it is, and the last point I too noticed about it directly from dutch people and it is not only for Turkish, Moroccan, I too experienced it personally, got up these question like why do come out of your country, don't you miss your family, what reason you stay to earn money ???? How do you know about dutch people ??? How long you are going to stay???..OMG!!!.
I love this country but I agree with your 5 downsides.
As if there is ANY money to be made in the Netherlands when everyone here is trying to stitch eachother up for 5 cents and 1/3rd of the country in debt?!?!?
''oh come to Netherlands we have first world economy''
reality: you WILL be poor and you will NOT get ahead.
how would you feel when foreigners ask dutch people whether your grandparents were Nazis and whether you are blunt all the time and whether you don't make friends with foreigners and ask you what you think about your dark past in Malaysia and Indonesia at the first second they meet you ?
@@ingilizcetvim what? the first questions are usually how many coffeeshops are in your town and how often you visit the red light district lol. and if you are abroad they will ask if you sell any adult candy 😅
The problem rather is that people are too quickly offended, I'm afraid. If I hear nasty remarks, they just travel from one ear to the other. Only if they are pleasant, they are registred and send to the heart. The Dutch may be sometimes very "direct", much more as the Flemish - as me - are. They not only will notice other people's shortcomings, who has none ?, but also tend to talk in a very direct way about it. It may come across as being impolite or rude, but it's just the culture. Once you take that into consideration, you'll see there's no reason to feel fists trembling of irritation. Flemish are more restraint. Of course the Northern European culture is different than the one of South Europe, North Afrika or Turkey. Of course people from Norway are very different than those from Australia. None is better than the other however, just different. The exciting thing in culture are these differences. I love the Japanese for being so polite and their complex system of giving and receiving gifts. If you start mixing all the colours of a child's paint box, you'll end up with a dirty brown. I prefer bright yellow (South Europe), bright blue (North Europe), bright green (Central Europe) and let's give the bright red to Eastern Europe.
I'm kind of surprised you didn't mention the health system 😅 I agree with most points, I correlate with the last point, one Dutch girl at uni once told me "stop eating the olives by hand, we are not in Greece" and I said to her "yeah, you know we also use forks in Greece" and she said "oh, I didn't mean it like that" obviously I told her I know exactly what you meant!🤣 still I have good Dutch friends and a Dutch partner, but I don't know many internationals unfortunately, maybe in the future!
Yes even if people mean things or not we gotta watch when we open our mouths right? 😅 and I hear it a lot about the health system, and I agree to a certain extent, but it wasn't in my top 5 😄
@@murateren5712 for me is definitely top 5! This girl meant it, she disliked me since we met, she was even calling me with the wrong name 😅 expenses is a big pain in the a** hahaha especially in AMS
@@ninailia8552 I hear you sister! 😅
@@ninailia8552 Bro the prices they ask over here for everyday groceries is literally extortion
I think it's so sad that most Dutch people have NO IDEA how bad they're being ripped off :S
Health system? Free funding from
government or pay 💰?
Hello, Murat! Me and my bf are also looking to relocate to The Netherlands from Romania and we're planning to find a job after we'll find a place to rent. But how can we rent a flat if we cannot provide any proof of income? Any tips & tricks to break this paradox?
Hi Sabina. I actually don't know the answer to that. I also know that most landlords require a minimum income. Maybe showing some savings will help? Otherwise you can try to find a job first.. I'm sure you thought of these though :)
Look for uitzendbureau-s, practically the only thing you want from the first, to get you SOFI/BSN and a first job (because its the two of you, theres might be a littlebit of problem, they usually prefer single persons, since couples want to stick together, and thats rarely possible, plus you wont look enough vulnerable for them (thats a main point in what they hiring, since they "using" people), but the lower ranked ones pretty much can give you a job in days (SRS, Covebo, OTTO, similars). Dont expect much, in quality, and they might say, you will have to live in their rented houses, but the only thing you ant from them, are the basis (and thats meanin a few months if you working on it. But, a warning: all kinds of people working through them, some are intelligent, and nice to live with, but more are on the lower steps on the ladder, and shitpile as roommates. There is nothing better, when your roomate cut frozen meat with an angle grinder on sunday mornings...) Those arent jobs, what you want to do on the long run , but just for first steps to get here, and have the base for living here (Jobs like in a meat factory, cutting up meat, packaging, exporting to china, or park/community area maintenance, or cleaning, etcetera, but thats not the point, the point, you get a BSN and a chance to get started (through some loophole, what these agencies using)). As you looking for the first step, you already should look for the second and third steps: a job at a better agency, and a room/studio on your own, but first they wont be interested in you, since you arent even here, and your not even existing yet in the system (BSN, address, dutch phonenumber, and phisically you have to be here to have the chance). Start to work at the "first step" agency, till you get your BSN, then as soon as possible, jump. And from there, its all up to you, find the jobs, what you like, want to do, place you like, and build connections with people. And learn dutch, start as soon as you can, because that will help you get better jobs, better opportunities, till you dont speak at least a crude level, you still gonna be one in a bunch of trash (you wont be told, you are trash, but if youre not speaking dutch, and the other one does, there is like 95% chance the other candidate will get the job). Plus it will be easier to get some friends, since, even tho, dutch people learn to speak english, they are usually unsecure to speak it, since they mainly speak dutch (well, this is the Netherlands, afterall), and if you speak to them in english, especially in a good tempo, they will get confused, and will freeze towards you. Not all of them, of course, but the youngones for sure (and in the second step agency jobs, probably you will work with 80-90% youngsters). Ohh, and no matter what they say, dutch isnt difficult, except some letter/voice (for me the feeling of it is: it always feel like i chew my own tong, or choking, but thats me).
Oh:
AND NEVER PAY FOR AN AGENCY FOR THEIR SERVICE TO GET YOU A JOB! THATS ILLEGAL IN THE EU!
Attila Deák, thank you. We’ll look into that!
Attila Deák great advice! Thank you for writing it out.
The first microagession could also been seen as a sincere interest in you and your country, and could be short for: "I know that Turkey is a mostly Muslim country, soo I assume you are also a Muslim, Muslims generally don't drink alcohol, yet you drink alcohol, so one of my assumptions is apparently incorrect, can you help me to understand your culture? " And a similar reasoning could be behind the headscarf question. But this of course depends on context and tone of voice. Which with the Dutch directness can easily be misunderstood. I agree that the rest of your microagession examples are really racist.
Hi there. I get this comment a lot and of course I don't take everything as microagression. I'm talking about the cases where the tone is clearly condescending and after 10 years in the country I can easily distinguish between the two. Thanks for your explanation though..
Wij Turken zijn hier al sinds jaren 60 dus ze weten heel goed hoe het werkt met de Turken rondom bijv. alcohol en geloof. Er zijn ongelooflijk aantal Turkse kroegen in NL en vrouwen die geen hoofdoek dragen maar kortere rokken etc. Dit zijn puur provocatieve vragen.
@@ironmotoadv Niet iedereen woont in multiculturele grote steden. En juist in de grote stad kun je behoorlijk langs elkaar heen leven zonder echt inzicht in elkaars cultuur te krijgen. Ik heb bijvoorbeeld ook met 2e/3e generatie Marokkaanse en Turkse collega's te maken gehad, die echt hele rare ideeën over de Nederlandse cultuur hadden. Je kan alleen beoordelen of de opmerkingen provocatef bedoeld zijn als je de hele context kent. En die is nou eenmaal niet gegeven in de video.
@@harenterberge2632 juist in die grote steden kun je zien hoe divers de Turkse cultuur is, van zeer conservatief tot hypermodern. Je hoeft geen Turkse vrienden te hebben om dat in te zien. En je moet echt in een niemandsland onder een steen leven om na al die jaren nog geen beeld te hebben van de Turken in NL.
sincere interest ? i have a sincere interest about you and here we go !! your grandparents were Nazis or not ? are u blunt all the time ? do u make make friends with foreigners ? what you think about your dark past in Malaysia and Indonesia ? are you racist ? nice to meet u too
Dutch are friendliest and willing to talk and listen..i live in the border of Germany and Netherlands and Im very happy living here when i just came bcoz they are willing to help and everywhere i go just like Supermarkets and everything document related i can go alone without my husband unlike in Germany im always hesitated although o can speak good german..
That was the reason I left Netherlands after 15 years west my time in the Netherlands
I am now in London much better feeling and freedom but yes every country has own negative and positive
I'm thinking of going back to London too. Dutch people are way too apathetic to even care about common human decencies.
here we go! another victim
Turks prefer to live in USA where they can achieve their potential and where they wont face racism like they do in Netherlands. Turks can win Nobel prizes like Aziz Sancar did in 2015 and be CEOs etc. here is the list... turkofamerica.com/index.php/others/life-style/item/2466-the-50-most-influential-turkish-americans and moreover en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Turkish_Americans .As you can see many Turks can work in universities and professors etc .What can Turks be in your small country ? just losers and secondary class citizens who will do second class jobs ? With your black and white schools and education system , you will only produce more secondary class citizens. and tell me how many immigrant professors ,CEOs, nobel prize winners did your country produce ? You just want to use immigrants to do your dirty jobs and give them secondary class education and produce more and more losers. And later you complain that these people didn't integrate ? are you in denial?
How do Dutch manage to cycle all the time with so much rain?
Haha good question. They have 'regenjassen' and 'regenbroeken' 😄
@@murateren5712 God! I hate cycling wth raincoats on.
@@VineetMenon1 me too 😅
@@murateren5712 and we are not made of sugar!
Çok güzel anlatmışsın, son maddeyi hep hissedeceksin. Hollanda’da büyüdüm, son 6 yıldır Brüksel’de yaşıyorum ve burada ayrım yok, çok kültürel bir şehir. Tavsiye ederim
As a black American, I really appreciate you touching on racism and micro aggression. I’ve been considering moving to Netherlands. Now am thinking twice.
Jimmy Burner I wouldn't want to portray this as an every say issue that would want to make you think twice. All I wanna say is it doesn't not exist, but it's probably better than many other places.
Murat Eren I appreciate your impartiality. The countries on my list are Canada, New Zealand, Netherlands, Switzerland, Australia and any of the Caribbean islands. I’m sure there’s racism everywhere, but it is a red flag for me. Racism is getting worse here in America. People are saying things like “This is why we’ should bring back hangings” in response to protests. And we handle this pandemic as poorly as most developing countries.
I’m over America and want somewhere else to call home. So racism, even mild, is still important to consider. Also, I do want somewhere people are personable and not superficial. So when you mentioned “small talk” that was another, albeit lesser, red flag.
Thank you
In the UK racism is now very hidden before different people were verbally abused by racists in the street but now it is done by hidden gestures now called micro-aggressions. Thank you for mentioning this.
I would not advice you to move there. I speak from experience. I have been raised there and it’s a struggle for black people to live there. Because of the microaggression, black pete but also many more other things. Just for your mental health; don’t do it
no need to think!!! at least in usa you can get some white chicks in netherlands good luck bro
You can visit your friends at all time what a crap i dont know who made this up, we are just better organized.
Nou ja, ik snap wel wat hij bedoelt. Je kunt in Nederland niet zomaar aankloppen bij elkaar zonder elkaar van tevoren op de hoogte te stellen. Ik persoonlijk vind het niet perse onbeschoft, maar het voelt wel raar/ongemakkelijk als ineens een maat zomaar op de stoep staat. In andere culturen is het doodnormaal dat je bij elkaar zomaar aanklopt, al is het tijdens etenstijd. Dan schuif je daar gewoon bij aan. Dat heeft wel inderdaad veel te maken met het feit dat wij gewoon alles heel duidelijk inplannen.
so agressive!
Thank you for this comment , I am moving to Netherlands next Month and this video really made me feel like I am moving to some other planet !
Thanks for the details.... Could you share some details about registered/genuine job consultancy and house renting?
Move to the most southern part of the Netherlands (Limburg). Its much more relaxed there and the weather is a bit better :-)
You're right! I love the vibe in the southern parts :)
Here you will have more differences between seasons and you can see friends without appointments. If you drop in during dinertime you even might get s plate😂. Have to warn you throughout: Geert Wilders is a Limburger too, so we do have assholes here aswell
Yet the racist parties (pvv, fvd) find a lot of support there.
Merhaba. I was in Eskisehir, Turkey for a year back in the 70s with the US Air Force. Nice to meet you.
Nice. Did you like it there?
@@murateren5712 yes, I loved Turkey, so many nice people there.
@@daviddixon9207 great to hear :)
1. True
2. Really depends on the people you know. There are plenty of people I know that do just call a buddy and go out for a drink 5 minutes later. Honestly not sure what the trend is here -- or if there even is one. Maybe this is a trend among expats and the people that live around there? I'm not sure. My only suggestion here would be: try some different social circles. There are plenty of people in here the Netherlands that don't live their life planned and structured.
About the small talk: I agree. It's really annoying -- and I was born in the Netherlands. You can get more depth in some places and in some circles, though I agree that the overall trend is that most social interaction in the workplace is pretty shallow (and annoying).
3. I don't really see the issue here. I for one highly doubt you'll have trouble finding friend, because you ran out of people. There is also plenty of jobs and job opportunities imo. Housing can be a bit difficult atm though, but that is due to mismanagement by the government.
4. Mostly true. Don't really want to get into a discussion about taxes though. Taxes are there for a reason and also give something back. Housing is pretty bad atm though (again, due to missmanagement). Food on the other hand is pretty cheap when compared to other EU countries. Besides the housing issue(whiich is pretty important), it honestly isn't so bad when compared to other EU countries.
5. Some of those examples are blatantly racist, while others are things any foreigner has to hear any most countries(at least in my experience), and I don't see them as an issue. I've heard things like: "how come your English is so good" plenty of times -- which imo isn't a problem at all. Most of the other things I haven't heard ever. So unsure how big of an issue this is really.
What do you mean that you re missing drinking outside, is it illegal to just chill in park drinking beers? Great video btw
Uhmm it's not really about that. And we do drink at parks and terraces of course, but it's just that the weather allows you to do that only for a couple of weeks in the year. Even in summer time it gets pretty chilly in the evening. But of course you can still do it, just not as much as in some other places..
@@murateren5712 oh ok, thanks for the fast reply and greetings from greece !
@@vulkrim5274 greetings back to lovely Greece 😊🇬🇷
Loved the video! Yes, I hope you'll make more videos speaking English. Thanks for the honest content!
Gustavo Barros thanks a lot! Much appreciated. :)
I am from Pakistan currently staying in Turkey. I have job offer from Netherlands, its really hard decision to make. I love Turkey and people here. The salary is almost same but as you know Turkey is very cheap and I save a lot here. Only reason I want to move is the uncertainty on my job as well as Turkish economy/politics. In Turkey they change laws overnight and may ask foreigners to leave any time you don't know :D
Everything Murat says is 100% reasonable and zero% outright BS. Good job!
Thanks Thomas! 🙏
I live in Turkey Istanbul currently, how can I migrate to the Netherlands?
please dont
Born and raised here, I totally get all your points. People can get quite nasty sometimes, just like the weather its not intentional haha.
Hahah good point! :D
I do think it is a bit like Zwarte Piet. People don’t know what it is like “ on the other side” . No empathy. It is not intentional, just uneducated.
@@daimybisseling251 yes I think because it's such an open minded and developed country people tend to think everything they do here is fine and cannot be wrong, but often times it is. Like zwarte piet indeed. :)
@@daimybisseling251 It is also that those people new here did not try to look or understand the Dutch side. Especially Americans just call it blackface, a Hollywood phenomenon yet they project it on the Dutch which has a much longer and richer and totally different background. You will see many more cultures in Europe have a person colored black... not because of racism (mind you, people with more melanine in their skin were an extreme rarity for the better part of humanity until the last 100-50 years or so). Calling people racist for what they considered normal, had no racist intention or effect... is now becoming a racist thing... it is just sad.
Just because it's not intentional that doesn't make it ok.
I've experienced people in the NL saying bluntly racist things and when I called it out, people were very dismissive saying it was't intentional. I feel like this word is sometimes used to downplay racism
love the shelf in the background
Hahah thanks! I love these comments 😄🙏
Now please do understand that I am trying to help you, but being Dutch I might be too direct.
Dutch people are known for being straight to the point, they don't beat around the bush pretty much. They say it as it is and if they have a question they will ask you. It's not about being rude or racist, it's what Dutch people are used to. "You have a mouth, use it" ;)
For the examples you call out, I think you misunderstand a lot of what you hear. Of course, some things are not nice to say (toilet comment for example) but none of that is actually racist. I would urge you to ask Dutch friends to give you some context. I think you will be surprised that things are not as bad in that as you might think. Context is key, something you didn't really take in mind.
I don't mind having a conversation, I think it could be well worth to see both sides of the coin on many topics. Communication can solve so many problems in this world.
I also wish to urge you to learn more about the Dutch, just like Turkish people they are proud of their heritage and love their country and culture. Yet by trying to change that you will anger them, do remember that if you move to another country it is you that will have to adapt to the new culture, not the other way around. I am planning to move to Japan, that means I will need to learn their culture, language and try to understand the Japanese people. Which I already am doing (no, not from anime!)
I hope this helps a bit.
There is a way in asking things WITHOUT being jugdamental, and is an empa4hic subject, isn't about Dutch people only, many are racist without noticing and this is the real problems. We foreigners always will suffer from it by ignorant rude people on how they ask questions being mean.
Think that persons are different, and to each one perceives different things, this is his opinion not a generalization, so try not to contradict, try harder to feel him or understand instead of deniying it :)
good luck with japenese culture because they will never accept you
Well, I am used to temperatures up to 89.6 Fahrenheit. I have to adjust to that coldness.
I'm from England and I lived in Scheveningen for a few years. The weather in the Nederlands is at least twice as good as the weather in England and so I thought it was great. The people in the Nederlands are very friendly and relaxed compared to the UK. People in the UK are more than three three times as aggressive towards any passerby and so your racial accusations are in my view imagined and themselves a type of racial "micro-aggression". I've lived in several different countries and cultures several decades ago and never had any problems but youngsters today are hyper-sensitised about race which is a step backwards.
Thanks for all the info on this video, It really helps me to get to know what to encounter once I move :D
Rodrigo Labra you're welcome! I hope you'll like it here no matter what difficulties you encounter :)
Sounds like a perfect place to live to me.
Yeah, about as perfect as it can get.
@@Waterdiver3900 hahash i’m going 2 go 2 NEDERLANDS and watch Ajax’s matches🥰
It is better than Turkey
You said it yourself ... to you. Only
How many reasons are there not to move to Turkey? I can think of one; Freedom.
Yes, I have another video explaining this. Believe me I had many more reasons..
Honestly I never though about number 5, but you are actually correct and have came across such remarks, even though not on an racial or ethnic origin.
I am student in the NL from an Eastern European country, that is poor. And not once have I heard questions such as: How can you afford those headphones (normal headphones for 60EUR) ? How come there are so many people from your country here, arent you poor ? How can I afford to study in the Netherlands ? Do you have dishwashers in your country ?
Like where the f do you think I am from?
I find these questions a little hurting and I do not see why they would be so curious about such a thing and would care, but them being honest and curious is probably the case.
Yeah we gotta be careful with what we're curious about sometimes in my opinion. I would never think of asking such questions to someone..
Asking those kind of questions and then hiding behind the excuse that they are honest or curious is unacceptable. There is a fine line between being curious and being a flat out cunt. You can be curious and honest to the point but refrain from insulting others. Also, I like to hear opinions when I ask for it, not for a total fucking stranger to walk up to me and ask me things like that.
here we go !! how would you feel when foreigners ask dutch people whether your grandparents were Nazis and whether you are blunt all the time and whether you don't make friends with foreigners and ask you what you think about your dark past in Malaysia and Indonesia at the first second they meet you ?
villagers bro !! when you are part of small country that is what happens ! you live in a bubble and thing that you are living in the center of the world while your village has 40000 people and you think that it is a city because you have never seen istanbul, shanghia, new york, tokyo, Miami!! it is great to talk with dutch villagers who has no clue about the world
@@ingilizcetvimfunny because I have been asked multiple times about the Netherlands being all Nazis because people think we're part of Germany or things related to that when travelling abroad.
Dutch people are very honest and sincere. it's perfectly normal to say what you think. this can come across as very rude to foreigners.
I think, what Dutch people or those who have Dutch mentality miss out about directness is that in so many cultures around the world how you say something matters as much as what you say.I believe the fact that people should be honest but not in a tactless way. If being honest done in a mannerless way and called out as directness; well,it could be seen by many non-Dutch people not just as rude but a disguise to cover on the surface level thoughts
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@@tunahilmioglu419 I think that communicating clearly and saying what you do or don't want, providing clarity about what someone is doing wrong or right makes us Dutch one of the most productive people in the world.
@@jeroenpoepaanzijn I admire that however, what i claim here is that this could be done by being considerate for others and not being tactless. In both ways, you get the same results but in one of those two, you make positive impact in addition to providing clarity and getting what you want. Hope you see my point :)
that is also what happens in 95% of the cases
I moved to the Netherlands from the U.S. about 3 years ago.
I watch these videos sometimes and wonder why no one ever talks about living in places other than Amsterdam.
I Seriously cannot relate to most of these videos because the stuff I hear seem to be City problems more than Dutch problems.
Good point, do you enjoy living there?
@@patglennon9671 Yeah its alright. I really had not had moving to Europe on my Bucket List or anything, I just happened to marry a Dutch woman.
I am in Elburg, a Town of about 26,000 or so.
I would liken the experience to living in a similar sized town in the mid-west.
Hi Eric. I'm really curious about what kind of job you do in Elburg.
@@murateren5712 Nothing terribly exciting I work at a "Campground"/Bungalow Park. In the winter I paint the Bungalows, do groundskeeping type of stuff in the spring and in the summer just keep things cleaned up around the place.
Total Blue Collar kinda work.
@@ericfisher1360 I see. The thing is you moved here with your partner but for people like me there are so many conditions to be able to even stay here. So of course we tend to apply for jobs that pay more (to qualify for a highly skilled migrant visa) which are mostly at international companies in Amsterdam. But I also know UA-camrs from other cities. It's just that most international jobs are in Amsterdam.
This was very helpful, thank you and please keep us posted with more videos about Amsterdam/ The Netherlands/ culture/ worklife etc..
Bahar Akşahin thanks a lot! More videos will follow soon 😊
if you just wanna call up a friend or if you're an oversharer, move to the south, Limburgians are very friendly and love talking and sharing, we'll go for way deeper subjects too, not unusual to talk about politics at the hairdressers. He's right that the dutch often lay on the extremes tho, lots of racist people but also looots of very liberal people.
If anyone here wants a dutch friend, hmu
I agree that things are different in the south. :)
So Dutches usually have some small talks but rarely get into deep conversation so kinda difficult to know them and be friends ? Does that happen to Dutch talking to non-Dutch ? Or even conversation between 2 Dutches could be like that ? I'm recently interested with the life in Dutch and just found your video informative.
Btw I've met few Turkish ppl in my country they're very chatty and want to know more about your story (as you described) which is good because sometimes I'm social and lots of ppl in my country are kinda anti-social lol,
Thank you so much. I find them reserved, and believe me I've heard this from many foreigners. It's not that they don't have anything to talk about, they can be very intellectual, but they don't easily share their personal stuff with people, show emotions, etc. From childhood they're prepared for a tough life. :) Which is good, but also it's hard to break those walls.. Hope that answered your question. :)
The first three "cons" are actaully pros in my opinion heh... And the fourth one doesn't really apply to me because living costs in my home country is higher or about the same level. However, the fifth one is definitely a con and I think it is, sadly, quite common in general in the world
-30 did you have a chance to do the 11-steden-tocht?
To do it even? 😅 I'm not that good of a skater 😄
agree with everything, except aggression. This type of microaggression u can meet any country u visit. It"s called domestic racism.
Yes true. You can see even worse examples actually. My point was more that the Netherlands is portrayed as a place where such things can't happen, but they do..
Ofc microaggression happens everywhere but he’s right in the Netherlands people tend to say stuff like that more easily out loud to someone in the face then for example some asian countries, where it could be more reserved.
except the guy talking about Moroccans, I can see why he said that
Except the Netherlands is one of the only countries in the world (and most certainly only country in Europe) to have an openly racist public representative in office.......
Geert Wilders amirite
Coming from Norway, its sounds like a cheaper, more social place with better weather and food.
Honestly, I think most Dutch people agree with the weather being bad in the Netherlands haha. I definitely agree with the racism/discrimination you're talking about, unfortunately I feel like over the years that's gotten worse and it's mainly aimed at people with muslim backgrounds, or who might look like they have muslim backgrounds. I'm white and Dutch, so I haven't experienced it first hand, but I also think it's mainly older generations who think this way, although I'm sure there are younger people who say this stuff too. But as you said, racism/discrimination is everywhere, I'm currently in Australia and its kind of the same here, but are generally not blatantly racist, it's a lot more subtle and micro-aggression is definitely a big thing here too.
Well said Esther. Enjoy your time in beautiful Australia!
If it's about religion it's not about race is it? So it's not racism and it's not like islam has done it's best to smoothly fit in with the hundreds of religions and denominations that have been living in peace with eachother since the 1500's. The older generation know that freedom of religion isn't a one way street and notice that many muslims have a habit of not respecting other people's freedom of religion, freedom of speech and the freedom to wear what you want. That has nothing to do with racism.
It's not the beer drinking or otherwise integrating muslims the Dutch have problems with.
I think it is more aa problem the other way they hate us
@@DenUitvreter and I made this video as a 'beer drinking' non-muslim who comes from a muslim country and even I get islamophobia, so it's easy to comment for you. It's like saying 'zwarte piet is not racist'. Well, one cannot think like how a black person thinks, because they didn't go through the same things. What we can do is try to reflect on ourselves instead of teaching people what they should and should not get offended by in my opinion.
@@murateren5712 I assume every black person thinks differently, because difference is what happens when people truly think. Empathy is the keyword here and the Dutch might want to get some of that empathy too. You're the exception among Turks in The Netherlands, Turkey is just one of the many different places in the world to them and they have no intimate knowledge of. So they ask you questions about your background, so what?
Just like micro-agression (you gave examples of agression that wasn't micro and examples of what wasn't agression at all) I don't believe islamophobia exists either.
I really don't care if you're a muslim or not, I do care whether you represent the problematic side there is to islam or the other side. The problematic side of islam justifies genuine fear and dislike, there's nothing irrational and therefore phobic about it. Of course everybody wants to be seen as an individual and not as for example just general Turk with all that's associated, but when people ask you questions about your individual background and attitude on life, you seem to take offence because somehow they already should have expected.
In general taking offence is a choice too and in The Netherlands people don't take offence easily and don't expect people to take offence easily.
What is there to complain about the weather? Last year our summer was on a Sunday!
Aahahah that was a good one! :D
Wow. I really liked this video. You spoke with a lot of honesty. Thanks!
Thank you so much 😊
About these micro-aggressions. They exist, these are not specific towards foreigners, it is also used between Dutch people. It is a way to test / tease a person. It is meant to be a kind of funny. It is actually a conversation starter. It is not aggressive. It is in a way of saying: Hi, you are interesting, I like to get to know you better, say something. Just the other day when I was in Germany and I bought some strawberries along the road, they asked if I was by bike. Apparently they thought that all Dutch people travel by bike. I thought it was funny, because it showed their way of thinking. And we laughed about it. And about the toilet-cleaning remark. One could answer with, we started with cleaning up the toilets, now we own the hotels and date Dutch women.
Haha nice one Freek! I wish everyone was as nice as you. However, I do have to say as a white person that comes from a country that most people adore I don't think you can understand how hearing almost any comment about your culture makes you question the intention, after many times you hear racist comments. But I get your constructive feedback and thanks for the explanation! :)
Are you kidding ? They are directed to foreigners of course. Educated people wont take these insulting comments easily. To be honest as a person with two masters degree one from usa and one from belgium , i wont blink to slap their face with these ignorant racist remarks
@@ingilizcetvimnice, another aggressive character.
People here talking about 'micro aggressions' while there are so many actual aggressions against Dutch people from people with an immigrant background, but we can't even mention that because it's 'racism' and the police won't do anything either.
The micro aggressions is one of the biggest challenges I had as a half Dutch person growing up in the Netherlands. Thanks for expressing this, I always felt that I was the only one with this issue.
Sorry to hear that you struggled with this.
@@murateren5712 Thank you for your reply. I responded to your video because I recognized what you were explaining. It really made me laugh when you spoke about small talk. I dealt with Micro aggression and straight forward narrow minded Colonial racism. Did it influence me yes. Do I think that all Dutch are like this: No, absolutely not. Sometimes people get tested in life, to learn and to develop. I learned that we get in life what we need not always what we want. Then again I am only half Dutch, so the influence of the cultural background of my Non-Dutch mother was something I chose to embrace. I understand that these experiences made me the person I am today. I emigrated and I married a foreign husband. Do I miss the Netherlands, yes and no. I do miss certain types of food and the great infra structure and the practical stuff like for example the bottle scraper or flessen-likker to mention a few. Enjoy your stay and thanks again for your reply.
@@maurabarendregt-soliman1368 thank you! :)
could you please give examples so that ignorant people can understand
Actually, all these 5 points are true. I lived in Israel and these things are not true there except for also being an expensive country. These 5 points are mostly true for North-Western Europe, so don't move to England, Germany, Scandinavian countries or the Benelux if these 5 points are important to you. The West Europeans don't mind, they are used to it. but if you are not, the Netherlands will be a bad choice. No tongue in cheek here. In this overpopulated country, foreigners can be really lonely, poor and miserable. West European citizens won't mind, so they are welcome and will feel at home. it just isn't what you are accustomed to. I lived in Israel and enjoyed it there as a young adult. As an early pensioner, I rather be in the Netherlands as Israel isn't very suitable for pensioners.
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I never heard the "microagresion" part
There is. But always have been in the Netherlands. Even before the migration flood came. But since they don't know it, the dutch are racist and so on. The Dutch are the most welcoming and emancipating country I know, but still the most racist one by those leftist idiots.
I'm moving from New Zealand and we only have 4M people lol 17 seems huge from my perspective! Great Video dude!
Always rainy and coldish, come on man. From April till September it is warm and few rain. Last years almost no rain.
We live in different countries I guess. :) But I guess you never lived outside of Holland to make a comparison, did you?
@@murateren5712 You don't have to live outside Holland to see that it doesn't rain much in april till september. Just open your eyes.
@@henkoosterink8744 sure. I will.
The weather in the Netherlands the last decade is changing. Winters are less cold, less snowy and more rainy. Summers are getting very hot and there's a lot of drought during these periods, which will be a huge problem in the future.
From September - April it rains regularly, but compared to the UK not nearly as much.
Nice video. I feel I would get on well with you Murat. I was born and live in London but I have an interview coming up for a job in Amsterdam which is why I'm watching this. Interesting points.
Great to hear. :)
Hey nice video! I'm italian and i work as a magazijn medewerker, sometimes need to have contact with some clients as well, long story short a client took the initiative to call my workplace and literally said "next time I want to be served by a dutch person" welcome to the Netherlands👍🏻
Oh noo! That's really harsh. Sorry to hear that 😓
Thank you Murat! Very informative and one of the best videos here about living in a new country. And, I agree with others your voice and facial expression are enjoyable. Lively but not over-active. And you showed your emotion in a controlled way when you really have it, which is rare and adds feelings of reality and personality. You also made me reflect that I might not be considerate enough when I talked to people from another culture.
Thank you so much. I really appreciate your comment 😊🙏
I have been in Netherlands twice for 2 months and I love Netherlands. I want to spend my whole life there. I wish I can do that 😍
@ oh .. yes problem is everywhere in the world but I must say you are lucky that you are living in Netherlands .. I stayed in Rotterdam , I visited Utrecht, Nijmegen , den Haag and many places I enjoyed a lot
@ waooo nice beautiful place ❤️❤️❤️
@ why
Which country do you like or recommend?
Please watch my video about the pros of the Netherlands. It's not that I don't recommend here. But if you decide to move here, these are the things you might struggle with.
As someone looking to move to the netherlands I found this video very very informative. Thank you so much for making it!
Great to hear! Please watch my video about the pros as well so you don't only hear the negative sides. :)
@@murateren5712 I found it informative too, thanks!
Don't come please, we have a housing crisis and the last thing we need is expats coming here taking more housing away from the local population. Our employers don't help us to find housing, they only help expats to do so. It fucking sucks.
Except for the weather it looked like a full description of the downsides of life in Switzerland as a foreigner
What about the weather there?
@@murateren5712 hey there. This year is somehow atypical but summer is warm and way longer, at least to the one I experienced in western Germany. Winter looks like winter, it snows quite a lot but that depends where you are. Also less gloomier and less cloudy. I’m moving to Utrecht next year that’s why I stumbled upon your videos. Very helpful
@@rucky_665 great to hear, thanks! :)