Hi all, seeing all these comments from people that completely misunderstood my video, here's an explanation. I'm extremely happy living in the Netherlands. I also made a video about the pros of living in the Netherlands, but no one watched that one. People want to focus on the negative. I only made this video to say what I don't like about the NL, but that doesn't mean I don't like the country at all. I love living here and I'm so grateful. And no, I'M NOT GOING BACK TO MY COUNTRY! If anyone feels the need to feed their ego, watch my video about why you should live in the NL. For the ones that are considering moving, if any of these points are crucial for you, maybe you should consider another place. For me, the pros are a lot higher and these points are not a big deal, that's why I chose to come and stay here. Thank you. 🙏
@@murateren5712 Hé, every now and then we need a fresh pair of eyes telling us how we can improve - so you are actually doing us a favor. That's how I see it.
Having lived in London I can see many similarities between the UK and Dutch culture based on what you described in your video. Guess there is no such thing as the perfect place, we just need to set priorities when choosing where to live. Thanks for sharing Murat
I am Dutch and I can agree with your 5 points. I won't add a 'but', because I can imagine that for a lot of other countries a list of negative points can be way worse. So I count my blessings.
@@epbbarcia174 you could... the fact you send couple of hundreds home, Worthing as much as two gold bars, your values is the same in the Netherlands as in Philippines, and you know and feel that...
There is also a HUGE discrimination against non Dutch speakers when trying to find a place to rent. I remember calling the Real Estate in English and they said there was no more viewings available. Then my boyfriend called them in Dutch and booooom, all of a sudden, they had free space. Such JERKS!
Oh I had no idea about that! It sucks big time if that's happening. My experience looking for a place changed drastically as my income increased. :D I remember renting my first place, it was a lot harder. The minute they see you in the 'expat' category things change, in my experience.
Not just in the housing market, but it can pretty much limit you in only labor type of jobs, where you wont get paid much either, but for sure you will be pushed to the limits, till you break yourself.
i lived in netherlands for 3 years , i know people face racism microaggression as you say which is very unfortunate , so i just want to light up with one of the incident that made my day in past so i was new, and i was at the bus stop waited for 20 mints or so and there was no bus in sight . there was this very old man he didn't know english but he did not give up until i understood that at that particular stop (very remote place) the last bus was already gone , he used hand gestures also the picture board to point out that :D it was so sweet
@@carlostui21 That's exactly what l thought!,😂😂We better don't compliment him about his English or it will be considered "Microaggression" 🤦♀️smh... people emigrate and then they believe everybody in that country is a racist...🙄🤷♀️
Günaydin Murat, (Yes, no, I'm not Turkish myself. I just know one or two words.:)) The weather is the weather. I haven't seen a good winter, spring or summer since 2008. It's mostly always autumn. That is not something we can do anything about, YET. But when a machine is invented to change the weather, you can bet your life that the inventor will be Dutch. Because we find our weather rather boring too! If you live in Amsterdam, you''re not living in the Netherlands. Amsterdam is the most expensive place in the Netherlands to live, because there are so many people there, and many of them are foreigners. THAT is why buying or renting a house, studio, apartment or even just a room, is extremely expensive in Amsterdam. But the further you go away from that place, the better it gets. Speaking English, or Turkish or ANY other language is fine as long as you stay in Amsterdam, but it will invariably brand you as an outsider. And there are so many outsiders in Amsterdam, that even the Dutch people will often speak English, because that's easier. But if you move away from Amsterdam, you'll find less and less foreigners, and Dutch people speak Dutch. So you will need to speak Dutch as well. And THAT will make it a lot easier to make friends. I know people here in Leeuwarden, who have their roots in Turkey, Morocco, China and other places, some of which speak better Frisian than I. You only hear those people speak their native language amongst themselves. These people have Dutch friends, because they've integrated with the Dutch culture a little more than anyone will ever expect from anyone who lives in Amsterdam. Making friends is not something the Dutch do at work. The people we work with ar just co-workers, colleagues, acquaintances. Which means that all conversations will be shallow surface talk, not very deep and intimate. Friends are people that you have a lot in common with OUTSIDE work or school. Hobbies, for example. Go to a fitness center, or go do some team sport to make friends. You may have lived in Amsterdam for the past 9 years, my friend, but you know very little about living in the Netherlands yet. I myself would not want to live in Amsterdam, because it is too crowded, and too big, and too expensive. I would rather move anywhere else.
Thanks Murat I checked out your other videos and I can honestly say that every video is fun and full of experience and knowledge.Thank you for being out there and sharing your thoughts about living in Netherlands,it really helps people who are planning to move there
I’m Dutch (born and raised) and I think you were very polite. I think there is a lot of racism and xenophobia in the Netherlands. A lot of misogyny as well, and I can know, I’m a woman. Dutch are very ignorant about themselves and their culture. Not really self reflective because we lack openness, like you said. Then people ACT like everything is fine and dandy, but problems are just hidden and not talked about. Just start about Zwarte Piet, and then all hell breaks lose. You see what I mean..? Just don’t tell the other Dutch, It will upset them and they will blame you for their own foolishness 😉
couldn't agree more. the misogyny is shocking to me. I work in hospitality and men expect me to treat them like Gods, the entitlement and insecurity of locals are off the roof.
I am Dutch but spent about two decades outside of NL and recognise a lot of your point. I migrated back 3 years ago and yeah the planning in life, "micro agression" or no filter as I call can be very annoying, size of the country... Well is it a country or a city. Dutch directness is difficult for many who are not Dutch. People just make statements without any filters (often). As for turkey spent a lot of time working in instanbul and did experience snow over there
But in all honesty I don't really understand why The Dutch say they are direct. They are direct when it comes to work but socially I would say they are super indirect, they never say how they really feel
I expected some hard to deal with things, but, literally everything in this video is the same or better than where I live. Guess I know where I'm moving!
Çok güzel anlatmışsın, son maddeyi hep hissedeceksin. Hollanda’da büyüdüm, son 6 yıldır Brüksel’de yaşıyorum ve burada ayrım yok, çok kültürel bir şehir. Tavsiye ederim
I've seen apartments in Amsterdam listed for as low as 600 euros per month, there's fewer to choose from and they seem to go away the next day I check, but it's possible to rent cheaply, it seems.
@@ex0stasis72 there are some projects where you can register and get affordable houses but anything I see on Facebook groups etc I would be very careful with
@@murateren5712 Ya, thanks, I'm finding more about that lately. I'm just "window shopping" right now because I don't think I can move until another year or two.
That was the reason I left Netherlands after 15 years west my time in the Netherlands I am now in London much better feeling and freedom but yes every country has own negative and positive
Turks prefer to live in USA where they can achieve their potential and where they wont face racism like they do in Netherlands. Turks can win Nobel prizes like Aziz Sancar did in 2015 and be CEOs etc. here is the list... turkofamerica.com/index.php/others/life-style/item/2466-the-50-most-influential-turkish-americans and moreover en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Turkish_Americans .As you can see many Turks can work in universities and professors etc .What can Turks be in your small country ? just losers and secondary class citizens who will do second class jobs ? With your black and white schools and education system , you will only produce more secondary class citizens. and tell me how many immigrant professors ,CEOs, nobel prize winners did your country produce ? You just want to use immigrants to do your dirty jobs and give them secondary class education and produce more and more losers. And later you complain that these people didn't integrate ? are you in denial?
@@daimybisseling251 yes I think because it's such an open minded and developed country people tend to think everything they do here is fine and cannot be wrong, but often times it is. Like zwarte piet indeed. :)
@@daimybisseling251 It is also that those people new here did not try to look or understand the Dutch side. Especially Americans just call it blackface, a Hollywood phenomenon yet they project it on the Dutch which has a much longer and richer and totally different background. You will see many more cultures in Europe have a person colored black... not because of racism (mind you, people with more melanine in their skin were an extreme rarity for the better part of humanity until the last 100-50 years or so). Calling people racist for what they considered normal, had no racist intention or effect... is now becoming a racist thing... it is just sad.
Just because it's not intentional that doesn't make it ok. I've experienced people in the NL saying bluntly racist things and when I called it out, people were very dismissive saying it was't intentional. I feel like this word is sometimes used to downplay racism
if you just wanna call up a friend or if you're an oversharer, move to the south, Limburgians are very friendly and love talking and sharing, we'll go for way deeper subjects too, not unusual to talk about politics at the hairdressers. He's right that the dutch often lay on the extremes tho, lots of racist people but also looots of very liberal people. If anyone here wants a dutch friend, hmu
The problem rather is that people are too quickly offended, I'm afraid. If I hear nasty remarks, they just travel from one ear to the other. Only if they are pleasant, they are registred and send to the heart. The Dutch may be sometimes very "direct", much more as the Flemish - as me - are. They not only will notice other people's shortcomings, who has none ?, but also tend to talk in a very direct way about it. It may come across as being impolite or rude, but it's just the culture. Once you take that into consideration, you'll see there's no reason to feel fists trembling of irritation. Flemish are more restraint. Of course the Northern European culture is different than the one of South Europe, North Afrika or Turkey. Of course people from Norway are very different than those from Australia. None is better than the other however, just different. The exciting thing in culture are these differences. I love the Japanese for being so polite and their complex system of giving and receiving gifts. If you start mixing all the colours of a child's paint box, you'll end up with a dirty brown. I prefer bright yellow (South Europe), bright blue (North Europe), bright green (Central Europe) and let's give the bright red to Eastern Europe.
Don't come please, we have a housing crisis and the last thing we need is expats coming here taking more housing away from the local population. Our employers don't help us to find housing, they only help expats to do so. It fucking sucks.
There is. But always have been in the Netherlands. Even before the migration flood came. But since they don't know it, the dutch are racist and so on. The Dutch are the most welcoming and emancipating country I know, but still the most racist one by those leftist idiots.
You should find all these Dutch gransparents who teach these : INDONESIAN PEANUT SHIT CHINESE INDA PINDA POEKHINEES Basically it refers to chinese who were selling peanuts before in netherlands and their skin color gets darker because of staying outside so long and shit refers to their skin color.
Culture must consider climate . so culture in a northern colder climate is going to be different from what is possible and accepted in warmer climates . Glad you did this video in English since it can reach a wider audience ( myself included ) than Turkish would have offered you . It also shows courage since you will have to overcome cultural bias when addressing other societies.
Yes true. You can see even worse examples actually. My point was more that the Netherlands is portrayed as a place where such things can't happen, but they do..
Ofc microaggression happens everywhere but he’s right in the Netherlands people tend to say stuff like that more easily out loud to someone in the face then for example some asian countries, where it could be more reserved.
Except the Netherlands is one of the only countries in the world (and most certainly only country in Europe) to have an openly racist public representative in office....... Geert Wilders amirite
About these micro-aggressions. They exist, these are not specific towards foreigners, it is also used between Dutch people. It is a way to test / tease a person. It is meant to be a kind of funny. It is actually a conversation starter. It is not aggressive. It is in a way of saying: Hi, you are interesting, I like to get to know you better, say something. Just the other day when I was in Germany and I bought some strawberries along the road, they asked if I was by bike. Apparently they thought that all Dutch people travel by bike. I thought it was funny, because it showed their way of thinking. And we laughed about it. And about the toilet-cleaning remark. One could answer with, we started with cleaning up the toilets, now we own the hotels and date Dutch women.
Haha nice one Freek! I wish everyone was as nice as you. However, I do have to say as a white person that comes from a country that most people adore I don't think you can understand how hearing almost any comment about your culture makes you question the intention, after many times you hear racist comments. But I get your constructive feedback and thanks for the explanation! :)
Are you kidding ? They are directed to foreigners of course. Educated people wont take these insulting comments easily. To be honest as a person with two masters degree one from usa and one from belgium , i wont blink to slap their face with these ignorant racist remarks
@@ingilizcetvimnice, another aggressive character. People here talking about 'micro aggressions' while there are so many actual aggressions against Dutch people from people with an immigrant background, but we can't even mention that because it's 'racism' and the police won't do anything either.
I think, what Dutch people or those who have Dutch mentality miss out about directness is that in so many cultures around the world how you say something matters as much as what you say.I believe the fact that people should be honest but not in a tactless way. If being honest done in a mannerless way and called out as directness; well,it could be seen by many non-Dutch people not just as rude but a disguise to cover on the surface level thoughts .
@@tunahilmioglu419 I think that communicating clearly and saying what you do or don't want, providing clarity about what someone is doing wrong or right makes us Dutch one of the most productive people in the world.
@@jeroenpoepaanzijn I admire that however, what i claim here is that this could be done by being considerate for others and not being tactless. In both ways, you get the same results but in one of those two, you make positive impact in addition to providing clarity and getting what you want. Hope you see my point :)
Many people abroad, think that Amsterdam equals the Netherlands. Amsterdam is just our capital. I really wish that people abroad would get that. I am Dutch but I would never want to live in Amsterdam, to be honest. I had some bad experiences there too (rudeness). In the south the people are in general somewhat 'softer', less direct. As far as the weather goes, I'm with you on that. I would prefer more sun, but on the other hand, I really hate snow so it's a good thing we don't have that often here. About expenses, yes, Amsterdam is totally nuts. I hire an apartment that has 2 bedrooms (one 14 m2, one about 8 m2 and a living room tht is 30 m2. I pay € 540 a month. Compared the prices you mention, that's really fair. So maybe it's a good idea for you to move to the south :-) I think if you want to reach many people, keep making your videos in English.
@@murateren5712 hey there. This year is somehow atypical but summer is warm and way longer, at least to the one I experienced in western Germany. Winter looks like winter, it snows quite a lot but that depends where you are. Also less gloomier and less cloudy. I’m moving to Utrecht next year that’s why I stumbled upon your videos. Very helpful
Hi, with respectfully I am not agree with your opinion !! I am from srilanka and I live in Germany since 35. years but I love to be in Holland like Brunsum sittard or roermond ! It’s very nice and people are so friendly … if turkey so perfect why the turkey people lives in Germany or in other countries like 30,40 years then in turkey ?? Anyway I love Holland it’s peacefull ❤️
It is kind of funny hoe foreigners can react quite differently about the Dutch weather. I once met an Italian in that country and he told me how pleasently amazed he was with the fact that in the Netherlands you could get to your hotel when the sun was radiantly shining without a cloud in sight and five minutes later you had to use an umbrella to avoid getting soaking wet. He loved that. I had a friend who was born and raised in Australia and married a Dutch man, came to live in the Netherlands and she often said how she loved the change of seasons here so much that she never wanted to live in her native country again coz here she felt so much more alive here. The first few years, she couldn't stop buying warm sweaters coz in Australia people wear the same summer clothing all year long.
As the opposite side of the spectrum, you have me. I used to live in Lille (so basically Dutch weather), and hated it there. I felt like I was loosing time of my life during the winter. The Netherlands is really a cool country, don’t get me wrong, I love it as a tourist, but the weather is what makes it impossible for me to consider living outside the Mediterranean 😅
You can't complain about people being shallow and further on complain about people being interested in your reasoning on life choices... You like nice whisky Laphroaig is one of my favourites, why do you like it? (Or is that a micro aggressive question). We have stereotypes in our head and these questions are the blunt Dutch way of trying to understand.... It is like you asking us why we don't wear wooden shoes... (You ar right about the Moroccan comment ). And the toilet one is just stupid and insulting (everybody should clean their toilet) ..
I have had Dutch flatmates, studied and worked with Dutch people are the conversations are always very shallow. It's true... You feel like you never really know who people really are, they are very cold and standoffish.
The Netherlands is a claustrophobic, wet, plat als een pannenkoek, klein postzegellandje met plaatselijke opklaringen,2 weken per jaar zomer dan alles weer potdicht met loodgrijze luchten, waar de mensen op fietsen tussen de buien door tegen de harde wind in trappen. Net nog zoals in de 1950’s. Australia is 200 x groter, blauwe luchten en het is er warmer, veel warmer.......
I don't know where you were during the last three summers, but these were the most hottest and consistent summers I've witnessed. Which makes for an enjoyable experience. Other than that, you're pretty spot on.
You should consider that most Dutch people are married and only socialize with family i.e. parents, in-laws, cousins, etc. If you don't have that your life will be pretty miserable, especially during the weekends. They don't party or go out for dinner with outsiders, unless there's a special occasion. Also, at work, your colleagues are just that. They're not your friends and you'll definitely not invite them in your home.
I think most dutch people would agree with your points, i am only a bit surprised about the small talk. But i could be living in my own bubble of people who talk about everything
@@murateren5712 comment sections on social media are the garbage bins of society nowadays. I have the feeling that people often react worse than they really are. Then again, every society has its share of a'holes, and the netherlands is no exception
I've recently gotten married to a Dutch woman and have visited the country a few times now and I always really enjoy to the point where I wondered about living there. This has been pretty insightful. Oh and your last point is pretty accurate. As a visitor I've noticed the attitudes some Dutch have towards turkish, moroccan, and middle easterners. They may be native born Dutch but are still not looked at as being true Dutch because of their heritage and their culture is sort of looked down upon.
Thanks for this message. I'm glad it was helpful. I also made a video about the pros of living here, so please have a look at that too. It's not all about the cons :)
@@kikkimora who cares? their ignorance and racism will just create 2nd 3rd 4th 5 th 100th generation people not to integrate not even talk with dutch and dutch can complain all day and night why immigrants didn't integrate? why should they ? why should they hear all your insults day and night and prove themself to you
Now ask about the attitudes Moroccan people in particular have towards Dutch and other people: because a lot of them have 0 respect for other cultures and are often picking fights, harassing women and get extremely aggressive when you even vaguely glance in their direction. And let's not even start about how they treat gay people. Also, police does almost nothing because they don't want to be accused of racism. So they can do whatever the f they want, sometimes bullying and threatening their neighbors because of some perceived disrespect or because they nicely asked them not to kick over their trash can every day. And the police will do f all about it. Bet you didn't know that part. Now, go live in certain neighborhoods (I did and have been the victim of their shit many times) and you'll soon find out they are not the poor, helpless victims they pretend they are.
I am happy i found your channel! I hate The Netherlands and Belgium + the locals. I was already speaking Dutch when i took the worst desidion of my life to go to study Dutch there. Now, for more than 9 years i am working for the both countries from my own. I can’t say nothing good about them as a people, workers etc. They are rasist and two faced. Even i am taking to them in their own language i often got answers back but in English!? Only from this countries and i am travelling a lot! Ofcourse i can’t talk like a native and i am making mistakes but is not the point. They are too many dialekts that even the locaa don’t understand eachother.
@@pwkh763 Tegen onbekende moet men “U” en zeker niet “Jij” gebruiken...maar dit is toch een typische reactie van mensen vanuit jouw land. En...zeker reizen maakt ons rijk.
Bet you found it very convenient when people spoke English to you when you first arrived. There are so many foreigners here that we are used to speaking in English to be accomedating to them. I also know an expat who complains we don't speak enough Dutch, but every time I suggest we speak in Dutch it's "not today, I am tired/hangover/not in the mood"🤣 Funnily enough, you still need us because you still work with us. Better find a job where you don't have to deal with us, but you are hypocritical enough to use the benefits of interacting with us. Even funnier is that people like this talk about 'micro aggressions' but then go on full out aggressive rants. Looks like you are the one with the aggression problem
@@pwkh763is het niet grappig dat dit soort mensen klagen over 'micro aggressions' maar het normaal vinden om vol agressie over ons te praten en dat normaal te vinden?😂
@@best._.vibessTegen onbekende mensen moet men "u" zeggen? Waarom gebruikt u dan "jouw" en niet "uw" in dezelfde post?😎 Niet rijk genoeg om ons niet nog nodig te hebben, aangezien u nog steeds werkt met Nederlandse klanten.
Thank you so much for this. I would really love to find someone and move there. It's beautiful and has a lot going for it but these are all good to know. Not stuff u really pick up on a holiday there
I can agree 100% to almost all of the cons here except for number 3, not really a big issue that the NL is a small country for me but numbers 2 and 5 are definitely big deals for me. Coming from Spain and after living in the NL for almost 4 years I feel like there is a barrier with Dutch people I cannot seem to cross, it is like a wall in between which does not allow me to socialise with them. Yes they are nice and everything but when it comes as you said to getting less superficial with them it never happens, I think probably because also they see you as a foreigner who will be here just "for a while" just because of the fact you speak English ( I even bought a house in Amsterdam with my partner so for sure my plans are to stay for a long period 😂 ). I noticed though that younger generations are getting better than older generations, usually old people are more difficult to deal with than young Dutchies in the micro aggression sense, probably because nowadays there are more and more interacial couples in the NL who travel abroad and understand other cultures in a better way.
The Dutch are a pretty conservative bunch and appreciate their privacy, just like most northern Europeans. True, taxes are high but look around and compare the infrastructure and services with those in your country of origin. Different, right? Also most adult people are married and their social lives revolve around direct and extended family. If you don't have family, your life will be difficult because the Dutch will not invite you to their home. You'll probably not know where, how and with whom they live.
Actually, all these 5 points are true. I lived in Israel and these things are not true there except for also being an expensive country. These 5 points are mostly true for North-Western Europe, so don't move to England, Germany, Scandinavian countries or the Benelux if these 5 points are important to you. The West Europeans don't mind, they are used to it. but if you are not, the Netherlands will be a bad choice. No tongue in cheek here. In this overpopulated country, foreigners can be really lonely, poor and miserable. West European citizens won't mind, so they are welcome and will feel at home. it just isn't what you are accustomed to. I lived in Israel and enjoyed it there as a young adult. As an early pensioner, I rather be in the Netherlands as Israel isn't very suitable for pensioners.
Micro aggressions is just how dutch people talk to each other. It is common to ask very direct personal questions as well as give very honest unasked opinions. I'm not ignoring the fact that the netherlands just like any other country has actually assholes. But for the most part that's not the case. As you said these things aren't specifically to hurt your but it's just what's considered normal here. Even tho in many other cultures it would be offensive.
Reality is : dutch people would never ever tell you what they really think about you. I dont think aggressiveness is a cultural think, but Amsterdam people is very aggressive and angry always.
Information about the Netherlands for people from abroad who want to live in the Netherlands,1 The Netherlands is a small country with a relatively large population, so housing, work and space is scarce, 2 the climate of the Netherlands is a maritime climate wet and linked to the temperature of the sea, 3 dutch culture, dutch people do not like difference in treatment, so for foreigners who have a strong tendency to express their cultural identity, be prepared dutch people do not go along with that and just treat you like that if they treat other dutch people and are irritated if you want to be treated differently, for the Dutch there is no foreigner privilege , 4 very important, the Netherlands is a very expensive country to live in, rent of housing is expensive, taxes are many and expensive, food is expensive, energy and fuel is expensive, so even though a wage seems high for your understanding in the Netherlands it is just enough to live on, 5 if you don't like these things an honest dutch answer, please don't come to the Netherlands.
Sorry for the certain comments. Hearing your opinion, was refreshing. Few things you said, people actually gloss over a lot when they talk about the Netherlands. Though I may not agree with some of your points, I respect your opinion. Don't let the other comments bother you. Bedankt voor de video.
2. I personally don't really have that problem with colleagues at work. I moved back from Belgium and came to Noord-Brabant (I previously lived in Flevoland) new environment, new people. And I actually got pretty friendly with my new coworkers. We discuss things like movies & tv series, books or videogames. Even stuff like how to finance your future house or stuff like that gets spoken about at great lengths. I don't know what your work environment is and how many people you work with but I think it probably also depends on that. 4. Expensive? This is imo subjective per country but yea the housing situation is terrible in NL totally agree.
the weather sounds perfect! planning things sounds dreadful but i could learn to get used to it. not the biggest fan of it being super expensive or the housing situation though. didn’t know about the microaggression, but i’m used to that anyway. i think the netherlands sounds like a great place to live. : ) i can’t move there though... but maybe one day!
There is a not so fine line regarding weather. I'm used to the rain, just the cold is a killer. Particularly that bone chilling windy that makes any coat useless.
So you want to inform the world that it rains in the Nl and therefore people party indoors and you miss the outdoors party. And the Nl is not racist country but you met someone who said something racist. therefore dont go to the Nl. The prices off houses are higher then you like to pay, but you need to life in the capital. Its not a big country but there is more than Amsterdam. People are great but you dont like the way they talk. Maybee you need to change the Nl into a country that is ideal in your eyes. Cause its sound you say you like it but dont like it at all.
Correct. I don't know how much that effects your daily life though. The neighbourhood I lived in was a lot more populated than any spot you can find in Holland (with very tall buildings and even no parks or empty spaces)..
Well, its for 4 months (20+ degrees and sometimes some rain) nice weather and there is (almost) no snow any more, but there was a lot of fking snow (30cm to 80cm) in 2010 and before. And in america you need to pay €2500+ just for a ambulance so all the health/ insurance costs are quit cheap (or free) About the racist stuff, dutch people are really direct so they say what they think and they really dont mean do heart u (like: woow your English is really good) But i agree with the most parts of what u where saying
Merhaba Murat. Seni tanıdığım için mutlu oldum. Soruna cevaben sonraki tüm videolarını ingilizce yayınlayabilirsin, hiç sorun olmaz. Hollanda da yaşamak için 10 neden isimli videonu da izledim. Her ikisinde de verdiğin tüm detaylar ve gözlemlerinin hepsi için teşekkür ederim. Hollanda ya taşınmayı planlıyorum. Belki de karşılaşırız. UA-cam yolculuğunda başarılar dilerim. Artık bende takipteyim🥰 Sevgiler👋
@@gozdeagar1526 haha oyle demek istemedim, yani genelde Turkce yapmadigim videolar Turk kitleye ulasmiyor keyword vs'den dolayi. Ama demek insanlar diger videolara gecis yapiyorlar. 😄
@@murateren5712 😄 evet şimdi oldu sanırım. Haklısın. Bende Tommy Hillfiger dan Ali Babaoglu nu konuk ettiğin videoyu izliyordum 😄 Sorumu hangi video altında yazıyım diye emin olamamakla birlikte Ali Babaoğlu'na bir soru iletmeni rica ediyorum. Sorum: E ticaret olarak spor ürünleri üzerine tekstil sektörüne minik bir marka olarak giriş yapan bir girişime önerebilecegi en büyük büyüme stratejisi ne olur? Cevaplamak istemezse problem olmaz, bunu ilet lütfen 😄 cevabı @gozde.agar insta hesabına da yönlendirebilirsin. Teşekkür ederim 👋
So you dont like the weather. You find houses in Amsterdam expensive...How od...its One of the most expensive towns in the world....try get a house 30 km away...much easier. You cant see the difference between work small talk and normal talk. You cant understand taxes here...the highest is indeed 51%...If you make kore then 70.000 euro.ther rest are the Same like in turkey...so check your facts first. For the taxes you get One of the best healthcare in the world One of the best educational systems in the world The bet pension system in the world One of the best social security systems in the world. Freedom of press...try that in turkey. Independer justice system...try that in turkey. Microracism is What All people in All countries do. Not typical Dutch. I traveled All over the world and found that All over. If in turkey I spoke about your history people tell me...WoW...your western Europe and you know this? If i respect your culture...i hear....WoW we thought Dutch people never did that. So...Maybe...Maybe.....look around a bit more before making a video like this. First fact check...realy iT helps.
I also made a video about the pros of living here. And there I listed many good things about living here. Even more than what you count now. If it's going to help with your ego please go watch that video. Some of you guys really cannot hearing one negative thing about your country because you want to market your country like a fairy tale in Efteling. And if saying bad things about Turkey is going to make you feel better then do it. We can do it together. I know the issues Turkey has already. That's why I'm here. Oh god.. you people..
I don't find these questions racist, to be honest. Every country has such things and I am sure, Turkish people(including me, because I am also Azerbaijani Turk) can ask some questions which can sound like racist.
👍Great video Murat , thank you for sharing your honest opinion. It does picture pretty much what to expect in Amsterdam. Insane the rent /living . Would you think in terms of accommodation cost in Eindhoven is a very different history € any advice from you will be very helpful ? Regards from London.
So Dutches usually have some small talks but rarely get into deep conversation so kinda difficult to know them and be friends ? Does that happen to Dutch talking to non-Dutch ? Or even conversation between 2 Dutches could be like that ? I'm recently interested with the life in Dutch and just found your video informative. Btw I've met few Turkish ppl in my country they're very chatty and want to know more about your story (as you described) which is good because sometimes I'm social and lots of ppl in my country are kinda anti-social lol,
Thank you so much. I find them reserved, and believe me I've heard this from many foreigners. It's not that they don't have anything to talk about, they can be very intellectual, but they don't easily share their personal stuff with people, show emotions, etc. From childhood they're prepared for a tough life. :) Which is good, but also it's hard to break those walls.. Hope that answered your question. :)
Please watch my video about the pros of the Netherlands. It's not that I don't recommend here. But if you decide to move here, these are the things you might struggle with.
Benim koyum yok bir, ikincisi bir ulkenin olumsuz yanlarindan bahsedince zorla tutulmus olmuyorsun. Hep Avrupa soyle iyi boyle iyi duymaya alismissiniz (ki benim genel yargim da iyi yonlerinin agir bastigi yonunde). Neyse ya kime ne anlatiyorum.
Yes the communication is pretty bad. People can find it strange if you talk about more then shallow stuff. You only really do thatif you are close to people.
Hey I'm a Trinidadian and I live in the West Indies I live in a small country 1.4 million people to be exact I have been watching your video and I understand all too well what you are speaking about where I come from there are similar qualities to the people in the Netherlands most of the people in my country you would consider to be black and then we have descendants of the East Indians they consider themselves not to be black I live in a country that is prejudice against any kind of people that doesn't seem to fall in line with what they believe it to begin this country a homosexual we don't have no laws to protect the people like that nor with the government really arrest you but you can be murdered I have had many of my friends who were murdered it is scary comparing to the Netherlands I understand exactly what you were speaking of love your videos by the way
Netherlands is like America when it comes to shallow friendliness. IN fact foundation of America was by Dutch in East Coast. Even Dutch sounds like Americans trying to speak German.
Ah weather is not a problem i come from England and the Northern part so Yorkshire its all ways grey and rainy, most of these’s sounds like England cool
Great video, I prefer the US, huge endless country, endless opportunity if you have a good degree or entrepreneurial skills, everything is so cheap compared to the EU and the houses are huge, almost everything costs less. Variety of weather from cold mountains, to tropics, to beaches, deserts. I see Turkish and Persian people do very well in the US, very successful.
Hi all, seeing all these comments from people that completely misunderstood my video, here's an explanation. I'm extremely happy living in the Netherlands. I also made a video about the pros of living in the Netherlands, but no one watched that one. People want to focus on the negative. I only made this video to say what I don't like about the NL, but that doesn't mean I don't like the country at all. I love living here and I'm so grateful. And no, I'M NOT GOING BACK TO MY COUNTRY! If anyone feels the need to feed their ego, watch my video about why you should live in the NL. For the ones that are considering moving, if any of these points are crucial for you, maybe you should consider another place. For me, the pros are a lot higher and these points are not a big deal, that's why I chose to come and stay here. Thank you. 🙏
And you are more then welcome to do so!
@@YoChocoTube thanks!
@@murateren5712 Hé, every now and then we need a fresh pair of eyes telling us how we can improve - so you are actually doing us a favor.
That's how I see it.
@@murateren5712 Let oop on those crazy bikers man xD. And again dominos aint sh*** but uncooked dou and tricks.
Nice video!
Having lived in London I can see many similarities between the UK and Dutch culture based on what you described in your video. Guess there is no such thing as the perfect place, we just need to set priorities when choosing where to live. Thanks for sharing Murat
Exactly my point. :) Thank you for sharing your experience.
you probably joking
I lived in NL 10y ago and now I am in London, i born in Italy.. but I am considering to back in the NL.. I miss Italy but no chance of get decent job!
What do you mean there is no such thing as a perfect place? Mississippi is.🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@EricaShady10171972 never been to Mississipi, but glad to hear you find it perfect!
I am Dutch and I can agree with your 5 points.
I won't add a 'but', because I can imagine that for a lot of other countries a list of negative points can be way worse. So I count my blessings.
You're absolutely right. For me the pros are also way more. That's why I'm here. :)
Believe me, you are BLESSED in the Nederlands. I'm from the Philippines! Need I say more?
so how dutch ppl treat South east asian students moving to amsterdam?
i mean if he starts with weather it cant be extremely bad
@@epbbarcia174 you could... the fact you send couple of hundreds home, Worthing as much as two gold bars, your values is the same in the Netherlands as in Philippines, and you know and feel that...
"you guys are gonna hate me for this, but the weather sucks" no Im pretty sure most of us 100% agree with this
Haha if you check the comments section you will see I was right 😅
I dont agree. I love the weather here
Indeed. Weather sucks.
I got depression from that weather 🗿
@Back2 Nature well just check the comments section 😅
There is also a HUGE discrimination against non Dutch speakers when trying to find a place to rent. I remember calling the Real Estate in English and they said there was no more viewings available. Then my boyfriend called them in Dutch and booooom, all of a sudden, they had free space. Such JERKS!
Oh I had no idea about that! It sucks big time if that's happening. My experience looking for a place changed drastically as my income increased. :D I remember renting my first place, it was a lot harder. The minute they see you in the 'expat' category things change, in my experience.
@@murateren5712 Yes, I understand. But rejecting someone just because they don't speak Dutch (and not even checking their income first) is a problem.
@@mar3053 yes definitely! That stinks of racism.
Not just in the housing market, but it can pretty much limit you in only labor type of jobs, where you wont get paid much either, but for sure you will be pushed to the limits, till you break yourself.
@@murateren5712 nope: it is perhaps xenophobic, or maybe just experienced problems in the past with non-dutch speaking tenants.
i lived in netherlands for 3 years , i know people face racism microaggression as you say which is very unfortunate , so i just want to light up with one of the incident that made my day in past
so i was new, and i was at the bus stop waited for 20 mints or so and there was no bus in sight .
there was this very old man he didn't know english but he did not give up until i understood that at that particular stop (very remote place) the last bus was already gone , he used hand gestures also the picture board to point out that :D it was so sweet
Your English is quite enjoyable to listen to. I don't speak Turkish so I'd prefer videos in English. ^^
Helen Nunes thanks! :) That's very nice to hear and gives me confidence in my English!
I don't want to raise any question here nor been stupid, but that statement sound like "micro aggression" according to what u explain! 🤔
hi
Because you know English
@@carlostui21 That's exactly what l thought!,😂😂We better don't compliment him about his English or it will be considered "Microaggression" 🤦♀️smh... people emigrate and then they believe everybody in that country is a racist...🙄🤷♀️
Günaydin Murat,
(Yes, no, I'm not Turkish myself. I just know one or two words.:))
The weather is the weather. I haven't seen a good winter, spring or summer since 2008. It's mostly always autumn. That is not something we can do anything about, YET. But when a machine is invented to change the weather, you can bet your life that the inventor will be Dutch. Because we find our weather rather boring too!
If you live in Amsterdam, you''re not living in the Netherlands. Amsterdam is the most expensive place in the Netherlands to live, because there are so many people there, and many of them are foreigners. THAT is why buying or renting a house, studio, apartment or even just a room, is extremely expensive in Amsterdam. But the further you go away from that place, the better it gets.
Speaking English, or Turkish or ANY other language is fine as long as you stay in Amsterdam, but it will invariably brand you as an outsider. And there are so many outsiders in Amsterdam, that even the Dutch people will often speak English, because that's easier. But if you move away from Amsterdam, you'll find less and less foreigners, and Dutch people speak Dutch. So you will need to speak Dutch as well. And THAT will make it a lot easier to make friends.
I know people here in Leeuwarden, who have their roots in Turkey, Morocco, China and other places, some of which speak better Frisian than I. You only hear those people speak their native language amongst themselves. These people have Dutch friends, because they've integrated with the Dutch culture a little more than anyone will ever expect from anyone who lives in Amsterdam.
Making friends is not something the Dutch do at work. The people we work with ar just co-workers, colleagues, acquaintances. Which means that all conversations will be shallow surface talk, not very deep and intimate. Friends are people that you have a lot in common with OUTSIDE work or school. Hobbies, for example. Go to a fitness center, or go do some team sport to make friends.
You may have lived in Amsterdam for the past 9 years, my friend, but you know very little about living in the Netherlands yet. I myself would not want to live in Amsterdam, because it is too crowded, and too big, and too expensive. I would rather move anywhere else.
Thanks Murat I checked out your other videos and I can honestly say that every video is fun and full of experience and knowledge.Thank you for being out there and sharing your thoughts about living in Netherlands,it really helps people who are planning to move there
Thanks Volkan! Much appreciated 😊🙏
I’m Dutch (born and raised) and I think you were very polite. I think there is a lot of racism and xenophobia in the Netherlands. A lot of misogyny as well, and I can know, I’m a woman. Dutch are very ignorant about themselves and their culture. Not really self reflective because we lack openness, like you said. Then people ACT like everything is fine and dandy, but problems are just hidden and not talked about. Just start about Zwarte Piet, and then all hell breaks lose. You see what I mean..?
Just don’t tell the other Dutch, It will upset them and they will blame you for their own foolishness 😉
couldn't agree more. the misogyny is shocking to me. I work in hospitality and men expect me to treat them like Gods, the entitlement and insecurity of locals are off the roof.
@@readygi Really? I am dutch and would like to know more if you would be willing to take the time. Could you give a few examples of what you mean?
I am Dutch but spent about two decades outside of NL and recognise a lot of your point. I migrated back 3 years ago and yeah the planning in life, "micro agression" or no filter as I call can be very annoying, size of the country... Well is it a country or a city. Dutch directness is difficult for many who are not Dutch. People just make statements without any filters (often).
As for turkey spent a lot of time working in instanbul and did experience snow over there
But in all honesty I don't really understand why The Dutch say they are direct. They are direct when it comes to work but socially I would say they are super indirect, they never say how they really feel
@@sumimaind When it comes to their feelings their communication tends to be very shallow or even elusive or an outright lie, is this what you mean?
@@sumimaind I find the Dutch more passive-agressive
Thank you for this video. I am planning to move to this Netherlands and you're helping me take a more informed decision.
You're welcome, and great to hear. :) Please also watch my video with the positive sides. It will help you better with your decision.
I expected some hard to deal with things, but, literally everything in this video is the same or better than where I live.
Guess I know where I'm moving!
Çok güzel anlatmışsın, son maddeyi hep hissedeceksin. Hollanda’da büyüdüm, son 6 yıldır Brüksel’de yaşıyorum ve burada ayrım yok, çok kültürel bir şehir. Tavsiye ederim
Sounds like a perfect place to live to me.
Yeah, about as perfect as it can get.
@@Waterdiver3900 hahash i’m going 2 go 2 NEDERLANDS and watch Ajax’s matches🥰
It is better than Turkey
You said it yourself ... to you. Only
Amsterdam is very expensive - 1200 for a studio
Me in Dublin sipping my pint of Guinness from a 1800/month studio
Anshuman Ranjan ouch! 😅
I've seen apartments in Amsterdam listed for as low as 600 euros per month, there's fewer to choose from and they seem to go away the next day I check, but it's possible to rent cheaply, it seems.
@@ex0stasis72 there are some projects where you can register and get affordable houses but anything I see on Facebook groups etc I would be very careful with
@@murateren5712 Ya, thanks, I'm finding more about that lately. I'm just "window shopping" right now because I don't think I can move until another year or two.
@@ex0stasis72 good luck with it! 😊
That was the reason I left Netherlands after 15 years west my time in the Netherlands
I am now in London much better feeling and freedom but yes every country has own negative and positive
I'm thinking of going back to London too. Dutch people are way too apathetic to even care about common human decencies.
here we go! another victim
Turks prefer to live in USA where they can achieve their potential and where they wont face racism like they do in Netherlands. Turks can win Nobel prizes like Aziz Sancar did in 2015 and be CEOs etc. here is the list... turkofamerica.com/index.php/others/life-style/item/2466-the-50-most-influential-turkish-americans and moreover en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Turkish_Americans .As you can see many Turks can work in universities and professors etc .What can Turks be in your small country ? just losers and secondary class citizens who will do second class jobs ? With your black and white schools and education system , you will only produce more secondary class citizens. and tell me how many immigrant professors ,CEOs, nobel prize winners did your country produce ? You just want to use immigrants to do your dirty jobs and give them secondary class education and produce more and more losers. And later you complain that these people didn't integrate ? are you in denial?
Everything Murat says is 100% reasonable and zero% outright BS. Good job!
Thanks Thomas! 🙏
Born and raised here, I totally get all your points. People can get quite nasty sometimes, just like the weather its not intentional haha.
Hahah good point! :D
I do think it is a bit like Zwarte Piet. People don’t know what it is like “ on the other side” . No empathy. It is not intentional, just uneducated.
@@daimybisseling251 yes I think because it's such an open minded and developed country people tend to think everything they do here is fine and cannot be wrong, but often times it is. Like zwarte piet indeed. :)
@@daimybisseling251 It is also that those people new here did not try to look or understand the Dutch side. Especially Americans just call it blackface, a Hollywood phenomenon yet they project it on the Dutch which has a much longer and richer and totally different background. You will see many more cultures in Europe have a person colored black... not because of racism (mind you, people with more melanine in their skin were an extreme rarity for the better part of humanity until the last 100-50 years or so). Calling people racist for what they considered normal, had no racist intention or effect... is now becoming a racist thing... it is just sad.
Just because it's not intentional that doesn't make it ok.
I've experienced people in the NL saying bluntly racist things and when I called it out, people were very dismissive saying it was't intentional. I feel like this word is sometimes used to downplay racism
if you just wanna call up a friend or if you're an oversharer, move to the south, Limburgians are very friendly and love talking and sharing, we'll go for way deeper subjects too, not unusual to talk about politics at the hairdressers. He's right that the dutch often lay on the extremes tho, lots of racist people but also looots of very liberal people.
If anyone here wants a dutch friend, hmu
I agree that things are different in the south. :)
Loved the video! Yes, I hope you'll make more videos speaking English. Thanks for the honest content!
Gustavo Barros thanks a lot! Much appreciated. :)
those problems sounds great when u compare it with Austria XD
Hehe :)
Thanks for the videos in English. I GREATLY appreciate it. It's very educational for me. Thanks for sharing.
You can hardly survive without a side hustle 😂
😂 😂 😂 I am a carpenter making about €130
😲 😲 😲 😲
@@carmellacarie6827 I am a trader too did you sign up for any course or did you self learn?
Gym instructor
I heard some even earn double of that.
The problem rather is that people are too quickly offended, I'm afraid. If I hear nasty remarks, they just travel from one ear to the other. Only if they are pleasant, they are registred and send to the heart. The Dutch may be sometimes very "direct", much more as the Flemish - as me - are. They not only will notice other people's shortcomings, who has none ?, but also tend to talk in a very direct way about it. It may come across as being impolite or rude, but it's just the culture. Once you take that into consideration, you'll see there's no reason to feel fists trembling of irritation. Flemish are more restraint. Of course the Northern European culture is different than the one of South Europe, North Afrika or Turkey. Of course people from Norway are very different than those from Australia. None is better than the other however, just different. The exciting thing in culture are these differences. I love the Japanese for being so polite and their complex system of giving and receiving gifts. If you start mixing all the colours of a child's paint box, you'll end up with a dirty brown. I prefer bright yellow (South Europe), bright blue (North Europe), bright green (Central Europe) and let's give the bright red to Eastern Europe.
As someone looking to move to the netherlands I found this video very very informative. Thank you so much for making it!
Great to hear! Please watch my video about the pros as well so you don't only hear the negative sides. :)
@@murateren5712 I found it informative too, thanks!
Don't come please, we have a housing crisis and the last thing we need is expats coming here taking more housing away from the local population. Our employers don't help us to find housing, they only help expats to do so. It fucking sucks.
Watching this video again after 2 years and after things get worse and worse, I would make this list way bigger...
Wow. I really liked this video. You spoke with a lot of honesty. Thanks!
Thank you so much 😊
Thanks for all the info on this video, It really helps me to get to know what to encounter once I move :D
Rodrigo Labra you're welcome! I hope you'll like it here no matter what difficulties you encounter :)
I never heard the "microagresion" part
There is. But always have been in the Netherlands. Even before the migration flood came. But since they don't know it, the dutch are racist and so on. The Dutch are the most welcoming and emancipating country I know, but still the most racist one by those leftist idiots.
You should find all these Dutch gransparents who teach these :
INDONESIAN PEANUT SHIT CHINESE
INDA PINDA POEKHINEES
Basically it refers to chinese who were selling peanuts before in netherlands and their skin color gets darker because of staying outside so long and shit refers to their skin color.
Culture must consider climate . so culture in a northern colder climate is going to be different from what is possible and accepted in warmer climates . Glad you did this video in English since it can reach a wider audience ( myself included ) than Turkish would have offered you . It also shows courage since you will have to overcome cultural bias when addressing other societies.
Thank you Alex 🙏
agree with everything, except aggression. This type of microaggression u can meet any country u visit. It"s called domestic racism.
Yes true. You can see even worse examples actually. My point was more that the Netherlands is portrayed as a place where such things can't happen, but they do..
Ofc microaggression happens everywhere but he’s right in the Netherlands people tend to say stuff like that more easily out loud to someone in the face then for example some asian countries, where it could be more reserved.
except the guy talking about Moroccans, I can see why he said that
Except the Netherlands is one of the only countries in the world (and most certainly only country in Europe) to have an openly racist public representative in office.......
Geert Wilders amirite
About these micro-aggressions. They exist, these are not specific towards foreigners, it is also used between Dutch people. It is a way to test / tease a person. It is meant to be a kind of funny. It is actually a conversation starter. It is not aggressive. It is in a way of saying: Hi, you are interesting, I like to get to know you better, say something. Just the other day when I was in Germany and I bought some strawberries along the road, they asked if I was by bike. Apparently they thought that all Dutch people travel by bike. I thought it was funny, because it showed their way of thinking. And we laughed about it. And about the toilet-cleaning remark. One could answer with, we started with cleaning up the toilets, now we own the hotels and date Dutch women.
Haha nice one Freek! I wish everyone was as nice as you. However, I do have to say as a white person that comes from a country that most people adore I don't think you can understand how hearing almost any comment about your culture makes you question the intention, after many times you hear racist comments. But I get your constructive feedback and thanks for the explanation! :)
Are you kidding ? They are directed to foreigners of course. Educated people wont take these insulting comments easily. To be honest as a person with two masters degree one from usa and one from belgium , i wont blink to slap their face with these ignorant racist remarks
@@ingilizcetvimnice, another aggressive character.
People here talking about 'micro aggressions' while there are so many actual aggressions against Dutch people from people with an immigrant background, but we can't even mention that because it's 'racism' and the police won't do anything either.
Well, I am used to temperatures up to 89.6 Fahrenheit. I have to adjust to that coldness.
Dutch people are very honest and sincere. it's perfectly normal to say what you think. this can come across as very rude to foreigners.
I think, what Dutch people or those who have Dutch mentality miss out about directness is that in so many cultures around the world how you say something matters as much as what you say.I believe the fact that people should be honest but not in a tactless way. If being honest done in a mannerless way and called out as directness; well,it could be seen by many non-Dutch people not just as rude but a disguise to cover on the surface level thoughts
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@@tunahilmioglu419 I think that communicating clearly and saying what you do or don't want, providing clarity about what someone is doing wrong or right makes us Dutch one of the most productive people in the world.
@@jeroenpoepaanzijn I admire that however, what i claim here is that this could be done by being considerate for others and not being tactless. In both ways, you get the same results but in one of those two, you make positive impact in addition to providing clarity and getting what you want. Hope you see my point :)
that is also what happens in 95% of the cases
Many people abroad, think that Amsterdam equals the Netherlands. Amsterdam is just our capital. I really wish that people abroad would get that. I am Dutch but I would never want to live in Amsterdam, to be honest. I had some bad experiences there too (rudeness). In the south the people are in general somewhat 'softer', less direct. As far as the weather goes, I'm with you on that. I would prefer more sun, but on the other hand, I really hate snow so it's a good thing we don't have that often here. About expenses, yes, Amsterdam is totally nuts. I hire an apartment that has 2 bedrooms (one 14 m2, one about 8 m2 and a living room tht is 30 m2. I pay € 540 a month. Compared the prices you mention, that's really fair. So maybe it's a good idea for you to move to the south :-)
I think if you want to reach many people, keep making your videos in English.
Dude I’m at Auckland NZ and I just rent a room maybe 10m2 but I pay out almost 200 euros per week...
Except for the weather it looked like a full description of the downsides of life in Switzerland as a foreigner
What about the weather there?
@@murateren5712 hey there. This year is somehow atypical but summer is warm and way longer, at least to the one I experienced in western Germany. Winter looks like winter, it snows quite a lot but that depends where you are. Also less gloomier and less cloudy. I’m moving to Utrecht next year that’s why I stumbled upon your videos. Very helpful
@@rucky_665 great to hear, thanks! :)
Very sophisticated person, I like your video a lot. All I can say that, Have a pleasent summer, Man 🙌🏻
Thanks :) much appreciated!
Merhaba. I was in Eskisehir, Turkey for a year back in the 70s with the US Air Force. Nice to meet you.
Nice. Did you like it there?
@@murateren5712 yes, I loved Turkey, so many nice people there.
@@daviddixon9207 great to hear :)
Hi, with respectfully I am not agree with your opinion !! I am from srilanka and I live in Germany since 35. years but I love to be in Holland like Brunsum sittard or roermond ! It’s very nice and people are so friendly … if turkey so perfect why the turkey people lives in Germany or in other countries like 30,40 years then in turkey ?? Anyway I love Holland it’s peacefull ❤️
It is kind of funny hoe foreigners can react quite differently about the Dutch weather. I once met an Italian in that country and he told me how pleasently amazed he was with the fact that in the Netherlands you could get to your hotel when the sun was radiantly shining without a cloud in sight and five minutes later you had to use an umbrella to avoid getting soaking wet. He loved that.
I had a friend who was born and raised in Australia and married a Dutch man, came to live in the Netherlands and she often said how she loved the change of seasons here so much that she never wanted to live in her native country again coz here she felt so much more alive here. The first few years, she couldn't stop buying warm sweaters coz in Australia people wear the same summer clothing all year long.
As the opposite side of the spectrum, you have me. I used to live in Lille (so basically Dutch weather), and hated it there. I felt like I was loosing time of my life during the winter.
The Netherlands is really a cool country, don’t get me wrong, I love it as a tourist, but the weather is what makes it impossible for me to consider living outside the Mediterranean 😅
You can't complain about people being shallow and further on complain about people being interested in your reasoning on life choices... You like nice whisky Laphroaig is one of my favourites, why do you like it? (Or is that a micro aggressive question). We have stereotypes in our head and these questions are the blunt Dutch way of trying to understand.... It is like you asking us why we don't wear wooden shoes... (You ar right about the Moroccan comment ). And the toilet one is just stupid and insulting (everybody should clean their toilet) ..
I have had Dutch flatmates, studied and worked with Dutch people are the conversations are always very shallow. It's true... You feel like you never really know who people really are, they are very cold and standoffish.
That's why its so much easier to socialise with foreigners, they are more open!
We aggree on the weather:
a typical day in the netherlands: all four seasons in just one day.
the first point is amazing just cold and rain like uk weather... perfect
Can someone please tell me how does the Netherlands compared to Canada and / or Australia?
The Netherlands is a claustrophobic, wet, plat als een pannenkoek, klein postzegellandje met plaatselijke opklaringen,2 weken per jaar zomer dan alles weer potdicht met loodgrijze luchten, waar de mensen op fietsen tussen de buien door tegen de harde wind in trappen. Net nog zoals in de 1950’s. Australia is 200 x groter, blauwe luchten en het is er warmer, veel warmer.......
I don't know where you were during the last three summers, but these were the most hottest and consistent summers I've witnessed. Which makes for an enjoyable experience.
Other than that, you're pretty spot on.
I was here, but different people have different perceptions of summer 😊
You sound like a good man Murat. Good thing you did it in English.
Melvin Jansen thank you 😊🙏 trying to be one :)
@@murateren5712 Very nice reply.
You should consider that most Dutch people are married and only socialize with family i.e. parents, in-laws, cousins, etc. If you don't have that your life will be pretty miserable, especially during the weekends. They don't party or go out for dinner with outsiders, unless there's a special occasion. Also, at work, your colleagues are just that. They're not your friends and you'll definitely not invite them in your home.
I agree 100% with all you've said in this video. I am living here and these are also the hardest points for me.
Good to hear that there are people who agree!
It's my first time watching your videoooo you're so cute hahaha the way you speak English is too good!
Aaw thanks *(blushes ☺️)*
Hey Can I know where did you buy your sweater ? It looks damn good !!
Haha thanks! It was from Tommy Hilfigher. 😄
I think most dutch people would agree with your points, i am only a bit surprised about the small talk. But i could be living in my own bubble of people who talk about everything
Well if you look at the comments here I think they couldn't disagree more 😅
@@murateren5712 comment sections on social media are the garbage bins of society nowadays. I have the feeling that people often react worse than they really are. Then again, every society has its share of a'holes, and the netherlands is no exception
@@hansdevriesvonmengden3639 exactly, and foreigners can easily become the target to these a'holes. Thanks a lot for your kind messages. :)
I've recently gotten married to a Dutch woman and have visited the country a few times now and I always really enjoy to the point where I wondered about living there. This has been pretty insightful. Oh and your last point is pretty accurate. As a visitor I've noticed the attitudes some Dutch have towards turkish, moroccan, and middle easterners. They may be native born Dutch but are still not looked at as being true Dutch because of their heritage and their culture is sort of looked down upon.
Thanks for this message. I'm glad it was helpful. I also made a video about the pros of living here, so please have a look at that too. It's not all about the cons :)
@@kikkimora who cares? their ignorance and racism will just create 2nd 3rd 4th 5 th 100th generation people not to integrate not even talk with dutch and dutch can complain all day and night why immigrants didn't integrate? why should they ? why should they hear all your insults day and night and prove themself to you
Now ask about the attitudes Moroccan people in particular have towards Dutch and other people: because a lot of them have 0 respect for other cultures and are often picking fights, harassing women and get extremely aggressive when you even vaguely glance in their direction. And let's not even start about how they treat gay people. Also, police does almost nothing because they don't want to be accused of racism. So they can do whatever the f they want, sometimes bullying and threatening their neighbors because of some perceived disrespect or because they nicely asked them not to kick over their trash can every day. And the police will do f all about it.
Bet you didn't know that part. Now, go live in certain neighborhoods (I did and have been the victim of their shit many times) and you'll soon find out they are not the poor, helpless victims they pretend they are.
I just applied for studies there and never knew this. thank you
Good luck with your application!
Really good video :) dropped like
Thanks! :)
I am happy i found your channel! I hate The Netherlands and Belgium + the locals. I was already speaking Dutch when i took the worst desidion of my life to go to study Dutch there. Now, for more than 9 years i am working for the both countries from my own. I can’t say nothing good about them as a people, workers etc. They are rasist and two faced. Even i am taking to them in their own language i often got answers back but in English!? Only from this countries and i am travelling a lot! Ofcourse i can’t talk like a native and i am making mistakes but is not the point. They are too many dialekts that even the locaa don’t understand eachother.
En ik ben blij dat jij veel reist
@@pwkh763 Tegen onbekende moet men “U” en zeker niet “Jij” gebruiken...maar dit is toch een typische reactie van mensen vanuit jouw land. En...zeker reizen maakt ons rijk.
Bet you found it very convenient when people spoke English to you when you first arrived. There are so many foreigners here that we are used to speaking in English to be accomedating to them. I also know an expat who complains we don't speak enough Dutch, but every time I suggest we speak in Dutch it's "not today, I am tired/hangover/not in the mood"🤣
Funnily enough, you still need us because you still work with us. Better find a job where you don't have to deal with us, but you are hypocritical enough to use the benefits of interacting with us.
Even funnier is that people like this talk about 'micro aggressions' but then go on full out aggressive rants.
Looks like you are the one with the aggression problem
@@pwkh763is het niet grappig dat dit soort mensen klagen over 'micro aggressions' maar het normaal vinden om vol agressie over ons te praten en dat normaal te vinden?😂
@@best._.vibessTegen onbekende mensen moet men "u" zeggen? Waarom gebruikt u dan "jouw" en niet "uw" in dezelfde post?😎
Niet rijk genoeg om ons niet nog nodig te hebben, aangezien u nog steeds werkt met Nederlandse klanten.
Good video, Murat! More videos like this. We don't want all those people moving to the Netherlands.
Thank you so much for this. I would really love to find someone and move there. It's beautiful and has a lot going for it but these are all good to know. Not stuff u really pick up on a holiday there
candice hoover yes definitely that's what I tried to explain. But no matter what it's a beautiful country and I hope you find a way to move here. 😊
It seems like it’s always the afternoon in the Netherlands. But I miss the bicycle culture and all the great Turkish pizza parlors.
you need to move to Zeeland where we have sun on most days
Eric Burbach is it really that different in Zeeland? Awesome!
@@murateren5712 Yes it is, a huge difference in climate, in rainfall
Murat Eren Huge difference
@@ericburbach632 How do you guys deal with the earthquakes in NZ?
@@lazaroborges2253 lol, we dont need to
What is there to complain about the weather? Last year our summer was on a Sunday!
Aahahah that was a good one! :D
I can agree 100% to almost all of the cons here except for number 3, not really a big issue that the NL is a small country for me but numbers 2 and 5 are definitely big deals for me. Coming from Spain and after living in the NL for almost 4 years I feel like there is a barrier with Dutch people I cannot seem to cross, it is like a wall in between which does not allow me to socialise with them. Yes they are nice and everything but when it comes as you said to getting less superficial with them it never happens, I think probably because also they see you as a foreigner who will be here just "for a while" just because of the fact you speak English ( I even bought a house in Amsterdam with my partner so for sure my plans are to stay for a long period 😂 ). I noticed though that younger generations are getting better than older generations, usually old people are more difficult to deal with than young Dutchies in the micro aggression sense, probably because nowadays there are more and more interacial couples in the NL who travel abroad and understand other cultures in a better way.
Even Spanish people can not deal with Dutch people how come middle eastern Africans Latinos can deal with Dutch ? Do you believe in miracles?
The Dutch are a pretty conservative bunch and appreciate their privacy, just like most northern Europeans. True, taxes are high but look around and compare the infrastructure and services with those in your country of origin. Different, right? Also most adult people are married and their social lives revolve around direct and extended family. If you don't have family, your life will be difficult because the Dutch will not invite you to their home. You'll probably not know where, how and with whom they live.
Yes all you tell is true
BxBxm thanks!
Actually, all these 5 points are true. I lived in Israel and these things are not true there except for also being an expensive country. These 5 points are mostly true for North-Western Europe, so don't move to England, Germany, Scandinavian countries or the Benelux if these 5 points are important to you. The West Europeans don't mind, they are used to it. but if you are not, the Netherlands will be a bad choice. No tongue in cheek here. In this overpopulated country, foreigners can be really lonely, poor and miserable. West European citizens won't mind, so they are welcome and will feel at home. it just isn't what you are accustomed to. I lived in Israel and enjoyed it there as a young adult. As an early pensioner, I rather be in the Netherlands as Israel isn't very suitable for pensioners.
Micro aggressions is just how dutch people talk to each other. It is common to ask very direct personal questions as well as give very honest unasked opinions. I'm not ignoring the fact that the netherlands just like any other country has actually assholes. But for the most part that's not the case. As you said these things aren't specifically to hurt your but it's just what's considered normal here. Even tho in many other cultures it would be offensive.
Reality is : dutch people would never ever tell you what they really think about you.
I dont think aggressiveness is a cultural think, but Amsterdam people is very aggressive and angry always.
Great video! Watching from Texas, only know English so far so thank you for this version
Thanks! Greetings to Texas 😊💙
Information about the Netherlands for people from abroad who want to live in the Netherlands,1 The Netherlands is a small country with a relatively large population, so housing, work and space is scarce, 2 the climate of the Netherlands is a maritime climate wet and linked to the temperature of the sea, 3 dutch culture, dutch people do not like difference in treatment, so for foreigners who have a strong tendency to express their cultural identity, be prepared dutch people do not go along with that and just treat you like that if they treat other dutch people and are irritated if you want to be treated differently, for the Dutch there is no foreigner privilege , 4 very important, the Netherlands is a very expensive country to live in, rent of housing is expensive, taxes are many and expensive, food is expensive, energy and fuel is expensive, so even though a wage seems high for your understanding in the Netherlands it is just enough to live on, 5 if you don't like these things an honest dutch answer, please don't come to the Netherlands.
Sorry for the certain comments. Hearing your opinion, was refreshing. Few things you said, people actually gloss over a lot when they talk about the Netherlands. Though I may not agree with some of your points, I respect your opinion. Don't let the other comments bother you. Bedankt voor de video.
Thank you for your comment and graag gedaan. :)
When you are hugged it's always fine.
2. I personally don't really have that problem with colleagues at work. I moved back from Belgium and came to Noord-Brabant (I previously lived in Flevoland) new environment, new people. And I actually got pretty friendly with my new coworkers. We discuss things like movies & tv series, books or videogames. Even stuff like how to finance your future house or stuff like that gets spoken about at great lengths. I don't know what your work environment is and how many people you work with but I think it probably also depends on that. 4. Expensive? This is imo subjective per country but yea the housing situation is terrible in NL totally agree.
Bro Flevoland is one of the worst places i've been to
Living in Finland this sounds like a joke. Specially being Mexican...
Haha I understand 😄 That's why I'm not living in Finland.
of course denmark sweden and finland are the most racist countries in the world you should be lucky to find a cleaning job as an expat in finland
@@murateren5712 i prefer to die than moving to Finland
the weather sounds perfect! planning things sounds dreadful but i could learn to get used to it. not the biggest fan of it being super expensive or the housing situation though. didn’t know about the microaggression, but i’m used to that anyway.
i think the netherlands sounds like a great place to live. : )
i can’t move there though... but maybe one day!
dont take the ball out of ramune it is a great place to live indeed. 👍
There is a not so fine line regarding weather. I'm used to the rain, just the cold is a killer. Particularly that bone chilling windy that makes any coat useless.
Yeah exactly!
It is impossible to talk about important things without risking offending at least some people. Good video!
Dutch ignorance makes immigrants dont even want to know anything about dutch people
So you want to inform the world that it rains in the Nl and therefore people party indoors and you miss the outdoors party. And the Nl is not racist country but you met someone who said something racist. therefore dont go to the Nl. The prices off houses are higher then you like to pay, but you need to life in the capital. Its not a big country but there is more than Amsterdam. People are great but you dont like the way they talk. Maybee you need to change the Nl into a country that is ideal in your eyes. Cause its sound you say you like it but dont like it at all.
Adriaan van Eisden I'm so tired of responding to these comments. I made a general announcement in the pinned comment. I hope that makes sense 🙏
Small population yes, but also 4.5x as densely populated as turkey.
Correct. I don't know how much that effects your daily life though. The neighbourhood I lived in was a lot more populated than any spot you can find in Holland (with very tall buildings and even no parks or empty spaces)..
Well, its for 4 months (20+ degrees and sometimes some rain) nice weather and there is (almost) no snow any more, but there was a lot of fking snow (30cm to 80cm) in 2010 and before.
And in america you need to pay €2500+ just for a ambulance so all the health/ insurance costs are quit cheap (or free)
About the racist stuff, dutch people are really direct so they say what they think and they really dont mean do heart u (like: woow your English is really good)
But i agree with the most parts of what u where saying
Ik mis de sneeuw
Merhaba Murat. Seni tanıdığım için mutlu oldum. Soruna cevaben sonraki tüm videolarını ingilizce yayınlayabilirsin, hiç sorun olmaz. Hollanda da yaşamak için 10 neden isimli videonu da izledim. Her ikisinde de verdiğin tüm detaylar ve gözlemlerinin hepsi için teşekkür ederim. Hollanda ya taşınmayı planlıyorum. Belki de karşılaşırız. UA-cam yolculuğunda başarılar dilerim. Artık bende takipteyim🥰 Sevgiler👋
Ne guzel bir mesaj, cok tesekkur ederim 😊 Ingilizce videolarimi izleyen Turkler oldugunu bilmek de guzel 😊🙏
@@murateren5712 Sanırım Türkler bunu "microaggression" olarak algılamalı 😐
@@gozdeagar1526 haha oyle demek istemedim, yani genelde Turkce yapmadigim videolar Turk kitleye ulasmiyor keyword vs'den dolayi. Ama demek insanlar diger videolara gecis yapiyorlar. 😄
@@murateren5712 😄 evet şimdi oldu sanırım. Haklısın. Bende Tommy Hillfiger dan Ali Babaoglu nu konuk ettiğin videoyu izliyordum 😄 Sorumu hangi video altında yazıyım diye emin olamamakla birlikte Ali Babaoğlu'na bir soru iletmeni rica ediyorum. Sorum: E ticaret olarak spor ürünleri üzerine tekstil sektörüne minik bir marka olarak giriş yapan bir girişime önerebilecegi en büyük büyüme stratejisi ne olur? Cevaplamak istemezse problem olmaz, bunu ilet lütfen 😄 cevabı @gozde.agar insta hesabına da yönlendirebilirsin. Teşekkür ederim 👋
@@gozdeagar1526 diger video altina copy paste ederseniz ilgilenen insanlar da gormus olurlar
😊 ben bu arada Ali'ye yolladim soruyu 😊
Murat: this country is small.
Singapore: hold my little red dot
😂😂👏👏
So you dont like the weather.
You find houses in Amsterdam expensive...How od...its One of the most expensive towns in the world....try get a house 30 km away...much easier.
You cant see the difference between work small talk and normal talk.
You cant understand taxes here...the highest is indeed 51%...If you make kore then 70.000 euro.ther rest are the Same like in turkey...so check your facts first.
For the taxes you get One of the best healthcare in the world
One of the best educational systems in the world
The bet pension system in the world
One of the best social security systems in the world.
Freedom of press...try that in turkey.
Independer justice system...try that in turkey.
Microracism is What All people in All countries do. Not typical Dutch.
I traveled All over the world and found that All over.
If in turkey I spoke about your history people tell me...WoW...your western Europe and you know this?
If i respect your culture...i hear....WoW we thought Dutch people never did that.
So...Maybe...Maybe.....look around a bit more before making a video like this.
First fact check...realy iT helps.
I also made a video about the pros of living here. And there I listed many good things about living here. Even more than what you count now. If it's going to help with your ego please go watch that video. Some of you guys really cannot hearing one negative thing about your country because you want to market your country like a fairy tale in Efteling. And if saying bad things about Turkey is going to make you feel better then do it. We can do it together. I know the issues Turkey has already. That's why I'm here. Oh god.. you people..
@@murateren5712 Sen bu pis ulkeye geldigine daha cok pişman olacaksin......
Informative video! Thanks.
Thank you for watching 😊
The pluses are more than the minuses so I believe it’s a great country to live in ♥️
I think so too 😊
thanks for good vibes ☮️
I don't find these questions racist, to be honest. Every country has such things and I am sure, Turkish people(including me, because I am also Azerbaijani Turk) can ask some questions which can sound like racist.
How many reasons are there not to move to Turkey? I can think of one; Freedom.
Yes, I have another video explaining this. Believe me I had many more reasons..
👍Great video Murat , thank you for sharing your honest opinion. It does picture pretty much what to expect in Amsterdam. Insane the rent /living . Would you think in terms of accommodation cost in Eindhoven is a very different history € any advice from you will be very helpful ? Regards from London.
I think people can change the weather, speaking metaphorically on how people view people.
Good one. :)
So Dutches usually have some small talks but rarely get into deep conversation so kinda difficult to know them and be friends ? Does that happen to Dutch talking to non-Dutch ? Or even conversation between 2 Dutches could be like that ? I'm recently interested with the life in Dutch and just found your video informative.
Btw I've met few Turkish ppl in my country they're very chatty and want to know more about your story (as you described) which is good because sometimes I'm social and lots of ppl in my country are kinda anti-social lol,
Thank you so much. I find them reserved, and believe me I've heard this from many foreigners. It's not that they don't have anything to talk about, they can be very intellectual, but they don't easily share their personal stuff with people, show emotions, etc. From childhood they're prepared for a tough life. :) Which is good, but also it's hard to break those walls.. Hope that answered your question. :)
Some of the negative comments about the Netherlands on here are so ill-informed it actually hurts my eyes…
Great video just what am looking for👍🏾
Which country do you like or recommend?
Please watch my video about the pros of the Netherlands. It's not that I don't recommend here. But if you decide to move here, these are the things you might struggle with.
dön köyüne abi, zorla mı tutuyorlar?
Benim koyum yok bir, ikincisi bir ulkenin olumsuz yanlarindan bahsedince zorla tutulmus olmuyorsun. Hep Avrupa soyle iyi boyle iyi duymaya alismissiniz (ki benim genel yargim da iyi yonlerinin agir bastigi yonunde). Neyse ya kime ne anlatiyorum.
Yes the communication is pretty bad. People can find it strange if you talk about more then shallow stuff. You only really do thatif you are close to people.
Glad that some people understand what I mean.
Hey I'm a Trinidadian and I live in the West Indies I live in a small country 1.4 million people to be exact I have been watching your video and I understand all too well what you are speaking about where I come from there are similar qualities to the people in the Netherlands most of the people in my country you would consider to be black and then we have descendants of the East Indians they consider themselves not to be black I live in a country that is prejudice against any kind of people that doesn't seem to fall in line with what they believe it to begin this country a homosexual we don't have no laws to protect the people like that nor with the government really arrest you but you can be murdered I have had many of my friends who were murdered it is scary comparing to the Netherlands I understand exactly what you were speaking of love your videos by the way
Thank you so much 🙏😊
Netherlands is like America when it comes to shallow friendliness. IN fact foundation of America was by Dutch in East Coast. Even Dutch sounds like Americans trying to speak German.
Ah weather is not a problem i come from England and the Northern part so Yorkshire its all ways grey and rainy, most of these’s sounds like England cool
Ah that must be pretty much the same.
Great video, I prefer the US, huge endless country, endless opportunity if you have a good degree or entrepreneurial skills, everything is so cheap compared to the EU and the houses are huge, almost everything costs less. Variety of weather from cold mountains, to tropics, to beaches, deserts. I see Turkish and Persian people do very well in the US, very successful.
also we don't do Christmas so that month + the cold its a bit Fucked up for people from outside the NL coming over to here