I am sad with that final outcome but hopefully thats not the main reason to move . Hope since this clip you have found the best place one could ever live in. Here in Canada I have also lived in a small village that I never grew up in which also made me feel as a outsider. No matter where one lives there will be someone to mess up that great experience.Hope all is good now!
Thanks Eve! Yeah, it's hard. I've bought a house, paid taxes, started a company, and studied, and I kinda feel like there's not much more I could do to integrate more.
@@nicolevdhtry not sp hard 😂😊just leave them, don't pay them attention. You can always go away, or leave on vacation. But, if your business is there - keep it , make your money 💰 and stay . Or leave for a while.
Just found your channel and started digging through your excellent Obsidian content. Its a little surreal to find out that we lived in Maastricht at the same time. Even weirder that I moved away for not so different reasons. I speak dutch and my looks could pass as dutch but I still felt like a stranger even after nearly 10 years. Not sure if this is a (southern) dutch thing, a thing with relatively small cities, or just a general fact of emigrating to a different culture, but I resonated with your experience. Hope you are happy wherever you are now!
Hey I'm Dutch and I feel bad for your experience. Like you already seemed to have noticed, there's a big difference in tolerance between people in cities and people in small towns. I live in a small town in the province Zeeland, where the church still rules. Stores closed on sundays. The only place to spend money on sundays is inside the church. Locals here don't even like other Dutch people moving in here. I was born in the city Den Haag and moved to Zeeland with my parents when I was 2. My entire childhood I have never felt welcome here. It's different now that I'm 35 years old. I still don't feel like I fit in completely but I am happy to live here. I wouldn't trade it for a city.
@@TheJoaveck Hey thanks for your response! No need to feel bad, I like the Netherlands! Feeling like a stranger can sometimes make it feel a little lonely, but good friends and friendly neighbors help with that and the Netherlands, or at least the places I have lived in, have so many good things to offer that I can accept the occasional stranger-feeling. I also dont know if this would be different if I lived, lets say, in Spain or Italy, the Netherlands are the only non-native country I have really lived in for years. Glad you managed to settle in in Zeeland, it has so many beautiful spots!
O, it is a Southern Thing. In Limburg Maastricht) they suffer from a identity crises. They feel they are not treated equal as rhecrest of The Netherlands. But that's their problem The rest of the country treates them like everuone else. They just don't seem to get it. 😂
@@marcelrenes2435That’s just a minority of the people who thinks that way. The reality is that Limburg (especially South Limburg) generally has a different culture compared to the rest of the Netherlands. Other than local dialects there’s also a bit more of an us-knows-us mentality which makes it more difficult for immigrants to be accepted.
There's a reason why European countries like Netherlands are so small. Many little things that prevent you from wanting to integrate and there's always a glass ceiling. Unless transplanted from overseas, don't even expect to get a senior management role, cos if you're new, join the queue and wait. There's a glass ceiling. That's all hidden beneath the veneer of niceness and self-identified openness
Hi, sorry that's been your experience! While I haven't experienced the glass ceiling professionally, it WAS quite a surprise for me that the birthplace of the EU was not as tolerant as I had expected.
@@nicolevdh shouldn't be a surprise, given the dominance of continental philosophical thought in Northern Europe (ex UK). They think as groups, not individuals. Glass ceiling wrt senior management roles like Chief of some BS.
@@-_YouMayFind_- qualifications alone won't be enough to get to the top. Just mid level at best. At the top it's all very clubby. That's why most C-suite are Dutch. In the UK, it's not uncommon to get non-British CEOs in FTSE 100 companies. US even better in terms of rewarding foreign talents. On top of that the virtue-policing and boss-pandering attitude in Netherlands is a lot worse than in England. Maybe it's because of the latent Calvinist culture and polderkulturr. Very east Asian in a way
Now go to a poc majority country and see how you get treated there. You think they will give a f if you have complaints about way more discrimination than you will face in Western Europe, lmao. They will tell you to get the f out of their country faster than light.
Frist, I am sorry you had this experience. My husband and I also came here thinking that what you hear about the country was true. We are an interracial couple and the racism we have experienced and forms of systemic discrimination against anyone non-Dutch is just too much. Only a few more weeks and we are finally able to move to the UK.
@@nimwey7701 Opinion!? "One negative thing in years" Well this one of a hecka massive opinion that must be so darn common. No! sir! Why can't we just agree the majority Dutch are not only so-called direct but also blatantly xenophobic
Nicole: I just want to validate your experience (from someone who is from there). Please don't listen to the typical Dutch excuses (you meet weird people, this isn't real Dutch, we're just direct/honest!, you're too sensitive, we don't do "woke" here, etc). Maastrict is one of the oldest Dutch cities in the Netherlands. It's more Dutch than Amsterdam (just a tourist trap nowadays). Dutch people look down on the south, but the north is just as awful to live in. Your complaints are valid. Too much gossiping, spreading rumors about friends/neighbors, excluding people for silly reasons, racism/sexism, classism, non stop gaslighting, no mental health resources, masquerading bullying/abuse as "humor," refusing to admit fault or apologize etc. Dutch citizens who aren't white are told to "go back to your country" constantly when they complain of the abuse they face regularly. While the rest of the world calls out Zwarte Piet for what it is (a remnant of slavery that needs to be studied in history class, not celebrated at the HEMA/Bijenkorf during the holidays), white Dutch people tell us to leave if we don't like it! Ha. Only white Dutch born people are "real" Dutch (the "normaal" ones), and the rest of us need to leave according to them.
Hey, thank you for the validation! :) I'm sad to hear that. I've bought a house in Portugal, although there's so much I love about the Netherlands that I must admit I'm finding it more difficult than I expected to leave completely. Thank you for the support, though!
@@nicolevdh I heard Portugal is much more inclusive/accepting. I look forward to hearing about it on your channel! Nothing in life is black and white...there are a lot of things I miss as well. Ultimately, I think it comes down to how your quality of life is overall and day to day. If you feel like you're just getting by after constantly trying, it may not be a good fit. Every place has accepting circles (I always tell expats to reach out to Dutch people of color and other expats to form a community as many white Dutch are very cold and intolerant of people who are different). Either way, I hope that your new home is welcoming, safe, and enjoyable!
I have heard that too, and it matches with my experiences so far. Speaking of nothing being in black and white... as it turns out, I haven't completely moved from the Netherlands. I'm now living in both countries, and enjoying the best of both. I'll let you know how that turns out!
@@essi0489 Thank you. There is almost no country that bends over backwards as much for immigrants as the Netherlands. There are plenty of immigrants that are respectful and accepted in return, but some are extremely entitled, despite their own countries being not nearly as accomedating to foreigners as we are. OP even has the gal to complain about not having expat tax discounts for longer, while Dutch people get none of that. Will Dutch people get help and forms in Dutch when they move abroad? Of course not. Yet the Netherlands provides information and forms in several languages and translators, people who explain where and how to do things etc. Funnily enough, these complainers love to stick around for some mysterious reason. Someone being here since 2008 (!): Why would anyone stick around that long if they hate a place? Makes no logical sense.
The full Dutch experience you will not get in Maastricht. Maastricht is more like a mix between Dutch, Belgian, German and French. And yes even for Dutch people it is nearly impossible to be fully accepted in the province of Limburg. I have heard numerous Dutch people from the north of the country doing exactly what you did. After a few years, they see that they will never be fully accepted, and they move back. Sad. You just picked the wrong town. But... if it is because you just met one xenophobic jerk, I don't understand it.
Sadly, it wasn't just one person, and it wasn't just one thing. I just kept running into issues amd discrimination again and again, and at one point, I just got tired of trying to make it work. I know that it's not the whole country. Maybe I just need a break. Het is al 5 jaren nu, en een heleboel Nederlandse lessen (en belastingen)! Als dat nog niet genoeg is, weet ik dan niet als ik meer kan doen.
@@nicolevdh Tja, belasting betalen doen we allemaal. Dat heeft niets met afkomst te maken. Jammer dat het zo gelopen is. Goed dat je het op youtube zet. Er lopen hier zat idioten rond, helaas.
@@ronaldderooij1774 Ja, maar wat ik zo vervelend vond was dat mijn 30% regeling van 7 jaar tot 5 jaar was verminderd, wat een hele grote impact heeft voor mijn leven. Nee, het heeft niks te maken met afkomst, maar het maakte het nog veel moeilijker voor mij als immigrant.
@@nicolevdh Tja, dat snap ik. Aan de andere kant, ik wou dat ik vijf jaar korting kreeg op mijn belastingen...... Het is natuurlijk een cadeautje en dat duurt niet eeuwig.
@@ronaldderooij1774 Het was een overeenkomst, geen cadeautje. Het voelt alsof een "bait and switch". Als het 5 jaar was vanaf het begin, zou dat geen probleem zijn. Maar om over 7 jaar te praten, en dan het plotselling 5 te maken...
Saddened to learn your experience was not good. I hope you find a warmer welcome wherever you are now. I've recently run across your videos and find them very helpful. .🇵🇭
Thank you! I'm still in the Netherlands, but I'm in the process of buying a house in another country. Thanks for the support, and I'm glad you're finding the videos helpful. :)
I'm sorry about your experiences but I have lived in the Netherlands for almost 10 years, im from South Africa...yes some people are very ignorant but most Dutch people are more welcoming than most Europeans in my opinion. In my village people even greet you with a smile and stuff and are welcoming... We can take a few incidents and just generalise...no country is perfect, our own countries are not perfect too
Hello Dutchie here. So sorry you feel this way. I live near Rotterdam and over here it’s diverse. Even I thought in Maastricht that I weren’t in the Netherlands. It’s almost like they live in there own bubble. Off course not everyone. And you are Dutch don’t let anybody tell you otherwise. If you change your mind please come and live in the west. More people but a lot of real different cultures. Wish you all the best. Much love ❤️
Dank je voor het leuke antwoord. :) Goed om te weten dat het misschien aan de stad ligt... Ik had eens ook gedacht dat Utrecht heel mooi was, maarja. Ik hou van het land, dus misschien kom ik terug. :)
@@nicolevdh WoW wat spreek/schrijf je goed Nederlands zeg. Ja hier is het het zo divers qua afkomst geloven etc. Tuurlijk ook hier racisten, die hou je helaas overal. Maar is echt anders dan buiten de randstad. Hopelijk kom je terug! Je bent in elk geval welkom. Veel geluk
Utrecht and many cities in the north and East are just as terrible. We should mention that the only responses from a Dutchie to any form of criticism is denial and victim blaming.
@@e.g.4483 what are you on about? And funny that I said Rotterdam what is in the west. Like you said Utrecht north and east. Thanks for agreeing with what I said. Don’t be so mad. Nice dreams
So sorry for your experience. I'm from Holland and can attest that idots are everywhere. We are from Brabant, Hilvarenbeek and that is a great little village. Hope it will all turn out ok
I was born and raised in the Netherlands to foreign parents. Most of the white Dutch will never accept you to Dutch. When you live in this country is something you have to deal with. When you do exellent at something your Dutch, and when you fail at something the Allochtoon. Perhaps moving to a more diverse place in south would be an option. The best of luck on deciding on what to do next.
that is a little bit generalizing. Because "white" discussion again. First of all I am white and I do accept people as part of our country. The Netherlands is very diverse lol at least where I live in the cities.
@@Unteragen-rg1so funny that peoppe like that never want to mention how often white people get attacked by poc and the police does NOTHING, because they are afraid to be called racist. You're not going to silence me, sorry.
@@dutchman8129their imagination. They should go to a country with a poc majority and see how they treat tgem there (hint: almost always way more discriminatory than in Western Europe).
Wow, I thought from your name that you were born a Dutch citizen! I'm really sorry to hear that you had such a bad experience, but thanks for sharing. If you're ever in Bavaria, I'd be happy to invite you for a drink. Best wishes to you and your husband moving forward! - H
Awww, that's so nice! I'll keep that in mind. My husband is of Dutch heritage, and that's how I got the name. However, he grew up entirely in Australia, so we are in the same boat regarding the language and culture shocks!
Oh gods, Limburg.... I was born there. (Not Maastricht, but middle). I never spoke the regional dialect much as a child, and holy hell did that isolate me as boy/teen. Most my friends lived outside of Limbo (Yes Im comparing it to the hellscape) and I never really felt Limburger. I wanted to move out of there as soon at the ripe old age of 11. Limburgers in -my- experience are very LESS direct then the northerners. If they have an issue with you, they gossip, and you will here it weeks later from the friend's uncle father's twice removed dog. (I mean you wont hear it directly). Carnaval is not really my thing either, but if you go celebrate outside of Limburg most are a bit more welcoming then in Limburg. I even had teachers in high school tutoring in Limburg dialect at times... that was "fun"..... But yea "Ons kent Ons" mentality is a thing.
I visited the Netherlands for two weeks, expecting to have a great time based on everything I had heard about how friendly the Dutch people are. Unfortunately, my experience was quite different; I felt a lot of rudeness and encountered racism in many places. After my stay, I headed to Belgium, and I was pleasantly surprised. The people there were warm, welcoming, and much more accepting.
Jeeze that sound like some terrible experiences, I'm a born Dutch with one parent of another country and heard the "go back where you came from" comment sometimes too. Those are just idiots usually with not too high intelligence and indeed don't represent the majority of the population. I used to live in the suburbs where discrimination to me was more noticeable. These days I live near the center of Rotterdam and haven't had any of those experiences ever.
Everywhere it happens. If you look different, you will be treated differently. No matter how hard you try to assimilate. That's the bitter truth. Do not get much bother about it. If someone is wronging you, muster courage and fight back. That's the only answer. Darwin's principle- Fittest of fit will survive!
Rotterdam, Groningen, Amsterdam and The Hague are more foreigner friendly. Just as in the US there are regional differences. Limburg and the Biblebelt are hard places to integrate as they are fairly conservative and/or right wing.
I lived in Netherlands the last seven years, i am italian, it was my nightmare.I still have a house there that i am paying, hope to finish all this Do not expect nothing good from me when you will come again in Rome, NOTHING
Ik woon sinds 1979 in Nederland en heb de Nederlandse nationaliteit. Ik ben getrouwd en heb vier kinderen. Ik ben volledig ingeburgerd in de Nederlandse samenleving en heb zeer goede sociale contacten met Nederlanders. Ik heb nooit discriminatie ervaren. Mijn hele leven heb ik in Nederland gewerkt, en ik heb een hoge functie bekleed bij de overheid. Mijn kinderen zijn hier geboren; drie van hen zijn arts en één is advocaat. Ik ben Nederland eeuwig dankbaar voor de kansen die het mij en mijn kinderen heeft geboden, waardoor we zoveel hebben kunnen bereiken.
I am a Dutch man from Amsterdam. I say this with all do respect. If I learn Chinese and get a Chinese citizenship and lived in china for 10 years. I would not think that therefore now I am a Chinese man.
It's unfortunate to see the Dutch can be so unwelcoming, in contrast I've lived in the Philippines for 3 years and it felt like home there, my better home tbh.
I am a Dutch guy married with a very nice woman from Curaçao, we lived together for 35 years in the Netherlands were she moved to for study and later work. In the Netherlands my wife was always a foreigner, even speaking Dutch better than most of her colleagues. After Corona we decided to move to Curaçao, her native country. Guess what, she is a black Dutch women here on Curaçao, so she does not fit in anywhere. And I am of course a very white male taking advantage of a local beauty... eeehrrr.
Wow! Sad to hear you had a similar experience. Ours complained about the temperature we had the heating at (even though we were paying for it). She also invited three repair people to the house to fix a loose bathroom doorknob... coincidentally on a day she knew we wouldn't be home. Lucky I had security cameras set up.
I wish that everybody in the world would see this video. We are massively overcrowded. Public transport is getting completely jammed stuck, traffic jammed stuck, health care jammed stuck, housing jammed stuck. Criminals, no Dutch people, look at tv programms about criminals wanted. I have a lot of bad experiences witj foreigners too. Here a lot are about the Netherlands. But I can assure you, they are all still here. Just like the lady who made the video: why I leave the Netherlands? Well you didn't. Just like all the people who complain. All still staying. We are fastly overcrowded. So please keep your word. In some cities you have to wait 21 years before you get a house you can rent. Yet large numbers of people keep coming, coming and coming. People who hate it here, yet they come here, complain but stay. Absolutely great.
@aerokayo so you think we should recieve endless aomounts of new people. The waitingperiod for a house runs up to 21 years. Maybe I am xenofobic, I don't see that as very positive. What the fuck do you care? If my country goes to hell then you and the other freeloaders just fuck up the next country. She, despite her words is still here and so are you probably. Its that bad.
@ Wow. You are even worse than you iniatially showed to be. I can give you a piece of advice for the sake of your health, don’t hold your breath that you will ever change that. Your hate however, it’s going to catch up with you one day and you will realise you just wasted energy and embarrassed yourself with that bigoted mentality.
Yeah. People tend to vastly overrate how good western European countries have it and often sweep the problems under the rug. The worst part is that the few who are brave enough to critique european society often get unfairly labeled as far right. I left the Netherlands after years of drug addiction, and I will never go back.
My first and only question. Why did you choose Netherlands over Australia ? I lived in sydney for 5 years it was a dream. I would give my life for a visa. There is not a single day for me not missing australia. Some people don’t see their blessings :-(
@@nicolevdhyou hate the Netherlands so much, so why see it as an option still? Just so funny this. Must be doing something right, but that doesn't fit your pity party. Most annoying expats are the ones from English speaking countries, who want everything to be like at home while being in anotyer country, yet still expect extra priviliges as an expat. Saw you complaining in other comments about expat tax breaks not lasting long enough and it being hard to get triple citizenship. Dutch people don't even get expat tax breaks and rarely even dual citizenship. A spoiled brat complaining this much while being this pampered🤣🤣
Don't know what to say, that's so unfair and sad... some people are just cruel and underserving to live in society... That behavior is so disgusting and toxic that should be labelled criminal... but hey, isn't discrimination and racism a crime? That's essentially bullying at a really different level...
Thanks José! It really was racism. What was weird was that he said that to me, an Asian speaking Dutch fluently, and not to my husband, a Dutch-looking white person speaking in English.
I am so sorry for your experience in the Netherlands. Tbh Limburg is known as the most ''xenofoob'' province of the country. Hopefully, you and your boyfriend feel better in your next country.
Esther - that is so strange, considering Limburg is so close to the borders! My husband and I have bought an apartment in Portugal, and certainly we've felt more welcomed there. Thanks! :)
@@nicolevdh Limburger here. Yeah, I don't like that about us. I'm all for gladly sharing the hills, the vlaai, the clubs, the culture and pittoresque villages with everyone. But even the other Dutch people feel unwelcome here. I guess many of us tend keep to ourselves and our own friend groups and have a hard time connecting with people that don't speak our language or have our accent. We have a very different mentality than the rest of the Netherlands regarding that. Generally more reserved, less bold, less outgoing, less open. This doesn't go for all of us though. But you sadly had to meet the ones on the other end of the spectrum, the actual xenophobes.
Many people don't even feel at home in their own country. Xenophobic people exist everywhere. I'm often in the Netherlands, and I must say, the Dutch are the friendliest people on earth. Maastricht is a mixture of many other cultures. Anyway, I'm sorry for your experience, but it shouldn't be a reason to leave because there will always be some people who are projecting their unhappiness onto others. It's something personal and has nothing to do with you. ❤
You cannot speak for everyone. However, I am glad that your personal experience was and maybe still surprisingly positive with the Dutch. Adding, your own restricted perspective may come offensive while trying to Solely define a whole race or nation as "Friendly" I do acknowledge you said "some are xenophobic" but later you still said "They are xyz" I wouldn't dare to make such a claim whether positive or negative. No, I don't have anything against you or the dutch
Sorry to hear you had such bad experiences and met a few of the rotten apples in our country. I really think that doesn't reflect on the majority of us. Wish you all the best!
Hey, thank you for the nice comment! I totally agree. I definitely think the majority of people in the Netherlands are nice and welcoming, though perhaps just not as warm as I'm used to. I did end up moving to Portugal, though I haven't moved completely out of the Netherlands either, so I'm still living in both countries. Having some time away from each country helps me appreciate them both a bit more!
@@nicolevdhso many complaints but still hanging around. So sick of these expats always complaining but still somehow sticking around. Go to a country like China for instance and see how you get treated especially if you complain this much. One complaint about their country and they will hate the ever living f out of a foreigner and tell them to leave. Also, typical expat mentality that you find anywhere: "the locals don't like me weh".
Don't forget, that Limburg has only been a Dutch province since 150 years or so.. As a North-Dutchman, I don't feel at ease there. And no. Not very welcome eigther. So I guess you're not alone on this one. Maybe an other place in the Netherlands would have been a better choice.. God speed to you
I am not sure about your residence status, but the Netherlands is fun, especially Maastricht. Though, found some, as you said judgmental towards my asian wife. I am originally from Apeldoorn myself.
Citizenship isn't about who you are or what do you think you are (because with or without citizenship nobody will take it from you, you always will be who you are or who you think you are) but what country do you feel responsible for. From that video I guess the place is not the Netherlands.
Actually, citizenship is a piece of paper that may not have anything to do with what country/countries you "feel responsible for". Maybe you mean cultural identity.
@@nicolevdh it's about being a citizen. Having rights and duties to the country. This is what I mean by responsibility. This piece of paper is not an expression for your inner feelings or cultural background or whatever. It's: am I ready to be a good citizen for the country with all rights and duties?
@@opowiedzmiswojahistorie.5287 That might be how you look at it, but that's not necessarily true for everyone. You can get citizenship without ever having ever visited a country, and you can get citizenship without having made any commitment to a country. However, I do agree that citizenship doesn't necessarily have anything to do with your identity either-- which is exactly what I said in the video.
it matters legally. You can feel whatever way you like, but just take one citizenship legally and accept it. Country policy, otherwise move ahead :D nothing racist about that, period.
It doesn't excuse the behaviour in any way, nor does this rule always hold true, but (at least in the West) there definitely seems to be a correlation between the density of a country and its people's behaviour. With the Netherlands being one of the most densely populated countries in the world, people seem to be quite short tempered and have little understanding and patience for others here, especially in the Randstad (the western conglomerated part of the Netherlands). Meanwhile people like the Canadians and Australians are about the most laidback I have met, and coincidentally they're the most sparsely populated countries as well. What also plays a huge role is the infamous "Dutch directness", which even for us Dutch people can often be seen as rude, let alone for people from other countries. To an outsider Dutch directness might seem as the shining example of why Dutch people are just plain rude and self-centered people, but the reason and history behind it is many hundreds of years old and quite interesting and understandable if you know how it originated (I advice to watch a video about it if interested in this).
So sorry to hear that you had a bad experience... Have always feel welcomed in the Netherlands, but sometimes, you meet the wrong people. And I want to apologize for them. Hope you'll find new home that will make you happy :)
Yes, it's all obviously her fault for meeting the wrong people FOR FIVE YEARS. Maybe, JUST MAYBE the people are the problem..but god knows the most narcissistic Europeans are Dutch. So it's obviously everyone else's fault the Dutch are abusers.
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Oh there is an "inbetween" it's called being flemish. We share the same native language, similar culture, from a young age we often come into contact with eachother, we are not "Dutch", we have differences (culturally, linguistically: different dialects and accents), but pretty damn close. As a flemish in the netherlands, you're a "discount dutch" and dutch people in flanders are "discount flemish"
Even you have the Dutch Citizenship they will never except like one of us. If you are a foreigner try to focus on your purpose. Work hard here and safe some money to buy a land or maybe a house in in another and leave than the country. That is my purpose, I know that I can’t talk about this subject with them. They are very close to their culture, what can be good. I prefer a country that is open to other culture. Any way will move to Asia or South America. I had travelled in many European countries but I never felt comfortable. That’s why I don’t like Europe. I hope to leave very soon as possible.
I live in Rotterdam for 13 years, I have lived way way way worse experiences than you, way worse, didn't move out, but now I will move out of here, not worth it.
Which other countries do you recommend? I dont feel welcome or safe in my country of Origin(South Africa), and i thought of temporarily traveling to the Netherlands...But hearing these experiences has made me reconsider? Do you have an email, where i can contact you and ask you what happened? Kind regards Z
@@incognito3599 Consider the UK it has a 3x better economy than the Netherlands and people are more reasonable about practically everything over there.
Nah, there are many more like you. You'll be fine, just come and enjoy yourself. Amsterdam is an international city and it houses many different cultures, besides being a student city. Don't worry much :)
I'm half Dutch, born in Australia and speak fluent Dutch, with an Aussie accent. I look Dutch, am 6'6 and athletic. Even I will never be Dutch nor accepted by them. I’m ok with this. I don't have a right to move to The Netherlands as I was not born there. I have family in Amsterdam, who speak the local dialect and have been priced out by disconnected whordes of rich yuppies in the tech sector. Many of the road yuppies have lived in Amsterdam for decades and can't even order a beer in Dutch. The housing crisis is bad, and prevalent in both countries in part due to this.
No one from outside can genetically become Dutch. Even though, she mentioned they wouldn't accept her as dutch, the point is not that. She, in the video, says no matter how many years you live there, they won't ACCEPT YOU. You will never feel you "BeLong" there But I thought she poorly mixed the two things together and people made it about the genetics. FYI, By Law you Can change your nationality
One of my friends moved to Russia ( Sochi) , it has good weather and is warm in the summer however, in Winter it is very cold like the western European Nations however, it never gets as cold as Moscow and the Russian interior. Do not believe the crap in western media about “ there is no freedom in Russia” and/ or the Russians are eating hedgehogs ! There is plenty freedoms in Russia as long as people are not trying to teach children to be homo’s or transgender nonsense moreover, it is a great place to be a young Child, has a growing economy , is in SCO, BRICS, is a military super power , is a resource super power that does not allow foreign Firms to own or control natural Resources like Gas, oil, Forests, Railways, Mining, Territorial Waters , Agricultural Land and, if you are a good , clean living person that supports Man and Woman marriage, public decency , considerate to good morality ; Russia is an excellent place to live, work and raise a family . There are places of course in Russia that are not great places to live due to the cold or outdated economies however, Russia is attracting many tens of thousands of westerners as the Tax system is good, Corporate Taxes are lower than most EU States and energy is very cheap as Russia has so much of it . If you are a Farmer, you can get free land to Farm in Russia ( the eastern part) and as the Russians put Sanctions on the EU as a reciprocal response , the Russian Agricultural sector has a near captive market and the food Supply mainly comes from Asia, and the middle Eastern States . Have a look at Russia Ma’am as you may well want to make this your home too. I do not know if you were allowed to keep your Australian Citizenship or, if being Dutch requires this to be abandoned however, if you subscribe to “ the Nomad capitalist “ you could be interested in getting a second or third Citizenship that will allow you to spend a few months each year in a different jurisdiction and this gives a level of freedom that most do not ever enjoy. I wish you & yours all the best in your next move @broad !
Yeah, and I have definitely met many very nice and welcoming people, so I'm definitely not saying it's all Dutch people. However, my overall experience has unfortunately been that out of the four countries in four continents that I have lived in, I've had the hardest time being accepted here. It's discouraging, after spending so much time working on my Dutch.
And as a Dutch 16 year old girl myself, a 100% really Dutch looking girl with a super Dutch name, I AM ABSOLUTELY ASHAMED for what my Dutch people say about non-Dutch people. It absolutely disgusts me so much and it’s making my blood boil. Nobody heard of ‘having some decent respect for the people around you’. You have them being low key racist and some straight out racist. It’s actually getting worse and both sides will only get more separated socially. We are all from the same species, you came from the same person a million years ago, dont hate your brothers and sisters
Oh, c'mon. Unless natives send us into ovens/gas chambers 😅, we're fine. Immigrants will always be outsiders in some aspects... I didn't have too high expectations in this regard when was moving here. However, it's still better than my homeland in many social/mentality regards. As long as you made some friends here, this is tolerable and somewhat expected. And to make friends you need soft skills, empathy, patience, etc. Not the citizenship or passport. And the whole world doesn't have to love each of us. But I hear you. And ofcourse you don't have to get sh...t from a few ignorant locals.
@@nicolevdh Not at all, my dear ! The whole mankind is "inbetween". Otherwise there is no mankind, and thus no humanity. It's true that a lot of people think they are vegetables : grown from the earth, auto-chtones. But the vegetables too are "inbetween" : the seeds come from the wind, the birds or the bees. Keep your way on, where you want to go or where you want to stay. There is a french-"inbetween"-arabic proverb that says : " Les chiens aboient, la caravane passe". You are the caravan. Be aware of the dogs, but don't listen to them. (Excuse my "inbetween" english).
It sounds like you have an American accent rather than Australian; if English isn't your first language, did you end up learning American English before moving to Australia or are there areas in Australia that don't have such an Aussie accent?
Hello..new Filipino subscriber here..I am really considering moving to Netherlands.. How about the healthcare system there? Can I come the high prices of goods there?
The healthcare system is good, but different. They're not as big on prevention as you might be used to in the Philippines. If you're earning in euros, you won't have an issue with the cost of goods here. Good luck!
you Will never become duch...the duch definition of duch is a white and blond woman or man...even if you serve in the Army or play sports for that country you will be seen as an outsider you will never be not be accepted...let me say that there are sone verry kind duch people also for the record.
@@nicolevdh I also noticed that you have a Dutch last name. Is your husband Dutch by any chance? If that's the case then that probably explains how you learned to speak their language.
I'm from the Netherlands.I'm originally from Surianme , Former department or colony of the Netherlands. I feel so sorry for you because you really love the Netherlands and now you are leaving because of one single person. I was a couple of time in Maasricht and not every one in that city love color people. So in smaller cities you can get involved with these situations. Why not try the populair cities such as Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Den Haag or Utrecht?
"One Person"! Are you speaking for her now? Did you get the message from the video? She said "People wouldn't accept you as Dutch" She specifically said the word "experiences" with an 'S' at the end.. which means it wasn't just one person. I like that you said sorry. But why do you say that? Are you Dutch and trying to apologise on behalf of the Netherlands? I am just confused
im sorry that happened to you, though I just wanna ask, do you still have you PH and OZ passport? I've heard that you cant easily have dual citizenship in NL
Yes, I have three passports: PH, AU, NL. Yes, it's not easy to have multiple citizenships in the Netherlands but I happen to qualify for one of the exceptions-- my husband is a Dutch citizen, so I didn't have to give up either of my previous ones. My husband is also an exception himself-- he has NL and AU passports because he was born to Dutch citizens in Australia and acquired both at birth.
I feel that Europeans are very close people. They are always above everyone else. I was always told that Dutch people are open-minded. This doesn't seem to be true.
Dumb question if you were an English speaking American would they be able to hire you easily? Because I've Read a few articles a while back saying I would get hired easily even if I didn't know Dutch and spoke English right off the back. To me I thought it was kind of bizarre and unfair to other people from other countries and more like they only wanted to hire people from my country because of money.
How many jobs can people get in the USA without speaking English? Not all that many. So you're actually complaining that the Netherlands is open enough to have lots of jobs available to people not speaking the native language?🤣 You do realize that is actually a benefit? There are lots of people from different countries working here. Personally (most Dutch people would not agree, because they're nicer than me), I think native English speakers are usually the most resistant to learning new languages, most likely to overestimate the importance of their skillset, the first to complain when things are not like home but in contrast also want benefits local people don't have. Look at yourself. You're even complaining while you're not here and about a thing that is actually a benefit to expats🤣🤣 There are more and more people from India moving here who have a great technical skillset, get well above average paying jobs and don't come here complaining about being able to get a job without learning the native language, which is something very few countries allow on the same scale.
Those articles are wrong. In very internationally minded industries and work sectors it's not that bad, and even then you won't land a job easily but would have to put effort into it. For the majority of industries and work sectors you will only land the job if you're native Dutch, or at minimum speak Dutch fluently.
*would u please read my un-organised writing and tell me if it answers your question or suggestions Based on my perspective, let me tell you why some people (non-dutch) don't focus on positive experience I mean c'mon! What is positive? Health-care, education, jobs? Do you believe these things matter for immigrants, especially expats? I think many people don't really care about the Health-care system or finance, or how many trains there are in that country. Hence, that positive aspect people tend not to talk about. What I believe most really care about is how they feel while using those things like boarding a train, hospitals, college, jobs, etc. you see you will have to interact with People at the end of the day And Those people(yeah! Native people) are the main gatekeepers of how someone would feel about colleges, hospitals, jobs, etc. Now, we know why people(immigrants) leave certain Developed countries and some would even go back to Third-countries leaving behind the wealthy hospital, college, jobs, etc.. So I don't know how effective the Positive experience video would be so ridiculous
Wel erg zonde dat je in Maastricht bent gaan wonen... Aparte mensen daar en erg gesloten... Je had veel beter naar Tilburg of Leiden kunnen gaan. En je 'the real Dutch experience' ga je nooit in maastricht vinden... Maastricht lijkt meer op Duitsland dan op Nederland als je het mij vraagt. Wel zonde. Hoop dat je ooit weer terugkomt.
@@RobotronSage Even you have the Dutch Citizenship they will never except like one of us. If you are a foreigner try to focus on your purpose. Work hard here and safe some money to buy a land or maybe a house and leave than the country. That is my purpose, I know that I can’t talk about this subject with them. They are very close to their culture, what can be good. I prefer a country that is open to other culture. Any way will move to Asia or South America. I had travelled in many European countries but I never felt comfortable. That’s why I don’t like Europe. I hope to leave very soon as possible.
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Good afternoon. I'm thinking about to move to NL with my lady and do the meriiage there later. I am a cityzen of EU country, and my lady not. Do you know if we or at least me for start have any chance to get cityzenship of NL and for example, have some low tax loan for buying a house or something like that? CItyzenship could a wait until we could do the language test, but i would like to find and buy a place for loan. What are the chances to have an "aid" for young couple? And as far i understood from video, i will be forced to close my other cityzenships if i want to get Dutch ?
yure married to dutch or whats with your name? you left because your tax ruling expired? anyway. it was surprising you wanted to live in NL and the first thing that came into my mind was because of the tax ruling
Amen. Stay away. We are already so incredibly overcrowded. It is causing huge problems. So, Irealy realy hope they follow your advise. Little change though. The lady from this video: still here,
Sad. I get it! I have been surprised by the reception here. I've met some awesome people who were very welcoming, but I've also had more negative experiences than other countries I've lived in.
Yes, from our modern viewpoint that wasn't something to be proud of. However back in those days everyone who was able to colonised others, the Netherlands got colonised by France and Spain as well, and before that the lower half of the country got colonised by the Roman empire. And after having been colonised by the Dutch for centuries and thus knowing what that's like, Indonesia is now doing the exact same thing to Papua New Guinea....
I am sad with that final outcome but hopefully thats not the main reason to move . Hope since this clip you have found the best place one could ever live in. Here in Canada I have also lived in a small village that I never grew up in which also made me feel as a outsider. No matter where one lives there will be someone to mess up that great experience.Hope all is good now!
Sorry to hear about your experience, some people really lack self-awareness and are utterly rude.
You are unfortunately right! Thank you for the support though. :)
Thanks for sharing Nicole! Sad to hear that even after 5 years living there and speaking the language you don't feel accepted :(
Thanks Eve! Yeah, it's hard. I've bought a house, paid taxes, started a company, and studied, and I kinda feel like there's not much more I could do to integrate more.
@@nicolevdhtry not sp hard 😂😊just leave them, don't pay them attention. You can always go away, or leave on vacation. But, if your business is there - keep it , make your money 💰 and stay . Or leave for a while.
Just found your channel and started digging through your excellent Obsidian content. Its a little surreal to find out that we lived in Maastricht at the same time. Even weirder that I moved away for not so different reasons. I speak dutch and my looks could pass as dutch but I still felt like a stranger even after nearly 10 years. Not sure if this is a (southern) dutch thing, a thing with relatively small cities, or just a general fact of emigrating to a different culture, but I resonated with your experience.
Hope you are happy wherever you are now!
Hey I'm Dutch and I feel bad for your experience. Like you already seemed to have noticed, there's a big difference in tolerance between people in cities and people in small towns. I live in a small town in the province Zeeland, where the church still rules. Stores closed on sundays. The only place to spend money on sundays is inside the church.
Locals here don't even like other Dutch people moving in here. I was born in the city Den Haag and moved to Zeeland with my parents when I was 2. My entire childhood I have never felt welcome here.
It's different now that I'm 35 years old. I still don't feel like I fit in completely but I am happy to live here. I wouldn't trade it for a city.
@@TheJoaveck Hey thanks for your response! No need to feel bad, I like the Netherlands! Feeling like a stranger can sometimes make it feel a little lonely, but good friends and friendly neighbors help with that and the Netherlands, or at least the places I have lived in, have so many good things to offer that I can accept the occasional stranger-feeling. I also dont know if this would be different if I lived, lets say, in Spain or Italy, the Netherlands are the only non-native country I have really lived in for years.
Glad you managed to settle in in Zeeland, it has so many beautiful spots!
O, it is a Southern Thing. In Limburg Maastricht) they suffer from a identity crises. They feel they are not treated equal as rhecrest of The Netherlands. But that's their problem The rest of the country treates them like everuone else. They just don't seem to get it. 😂
@@marcelrenes2435That’s just a minority of the people who thinks that way. The reality is that Limburg (especially South Limburg) generally has a different culture compared to the rest of the Netherlands. Other than local dialects there’s also a bit more of an us-knows-us mentality which makes it more difficult for immigrants to be accepted.
There's a reason why European countries like Netherlands are so small. Many little things that prevent you from wanting to integrate and there's always a glass ceiling. Unless transplanted from overseas, don't even expect to get a senior management role, cos if you're new, join the queue and wait. There's a glass ceiling. That's all hidden beneath the veneer of niceness and self-identified openness
Hi, sorry that's been your experience! While I haven't experienced the glass ceiling professionally, it WAS quite a surprise for me that the birthplace of the EU was not as tolerant as I had expected.
@@nicolevdh shouldn't be a surprise, given the dominance of continental philosophical thought in Northern Europe (ex UK). They think as groups, not individuals. Glass ceiling wrt senior management roles like Chief of some BS.
@@funnyguyinlondon Based on what? You need to have papers and qualities..
@@-_YouMayFind_- qualifications alone won't be enough to get to the top. Just mid level at best. At the top it's all very clubby. That's why most C-suite are Dutch. In the UK, it's not uncommon to get non-British CEOs in FTSE 100 companies. US even better in terms of rewarding foreign talents.
On top of that the virtue-policing and boss-pandering attitude in Netherlands is a lot worse than in England. Maybe it's because of the latent Calvinist culture and polderkulturr. Very east Asian in a way
Now go to a poc majority country and see how you get treated there. You think they will give a f if you have complaints about way more discrimination than you will face in Western Europe, lmao. They will tell you to get the f out of their country faster than light.
Living the dream! Netherlands is one of the places I'd love to settle down in. Happy Journeys ahead!
Dont, im born here in maastricht i want to gtfo here 😂😂
Frist, I am sorry you had this experience. My husband and I also came here thinking that what you hear about the country was true. We are an interracial couple and the racism we have experienced and forms of systemic discrimination against anyone non-Dutch is just too much. Only a few more weeks and we are finally able to move to the UK.
the Dutch are the least exciting people. the elitism is a joke
I will be sure to mark that town off my list of places I'd like to live. Thanks for sharing.
Amy i would take her vision with a big bag of salt tbh, everyone has his opinion, and this is one of the negative things i have seen for years
@@nimwey7701 are you from Maastricht ??
Maybe her experience was particular to Maastricht🤔
Oh, Muricans dont do well in NL to start with.
@@nimwey7701
Opinion!?
"One negative thing in years"
Well this one of a hecka massive opinion that must be so darn common.
No! sir! Why can't we just agree the majority Dutch are not only so-called direct but also blatantly xenophobic
I lived in Maastricht from 1996-2002. I felt great. The scenery in your video still remind me of all places there. Thanks for this video.
It was a totally different county back then and free of crisis.
Nicole: I just want to validate your experience (from someone who is from there). Please don't listen to the typical Dutch excuses (you meet weird people, this isn't real Dutch, we're just direct/honest!, you're too sensitive, we don't do "woke" here, etc). Maastrict is one of the oldest Dutch cities in the Netherlands. It's more Dutch than Amsterdam (just a tourist trap nowadays). Dutch people look down on the south, but the north is just as awful to live in.
Your complaints are valid. Too much gossiping, spreading rumors about friends/neighbors, excluding people for silly reasons, racism/sexism, classism, non stop gaslighting, no mental health resources, masquerading bullying/abuse as "humor," refusing to admit fault or apologize etc. Dutch citizens who aren't white are told to "go back to your country" constantly when they complain of the abuse they face regularly. While the rest of the world calls out Zwarte Piet for what it is (a remnant of slavery that needs to be studied in history class, not celebrated at the HEMA/Bijenkorf during the holidays), white Dutch people tell us to leave if we don't like it! Ha.
Only white Dutch born people are "real" Dutch (the "normaal" ones), and the rest of us need to leave according to them.
Hey, thank you for the validation! :) I'm sad to hear that. I've bought a house in Portugal, although there's so much I love about the Netherlands that I must admit I'm finding it more difficult than I expected to leave completely. Thank you for the support, though!
@@nicolevdh I heard Portugal is much more inclusive/accepting. I look forward to hearing about it on your channel! Nothing in life is black and white...there are a lot of things I miss as well. Ultimately, I think it comes down to how your quality of life is overall and day to day. If you feel like you're just getting by after constantly trying, it may not be a good fit. Every place has accepting circles (I always tell expats to reach out to Dutch people of color and other expats to form a community as many white Dutch are very cold and intolerant of people who are different). Either way, I hope that your new home is welcoming, safe, and enjoyable!
I have heard that too, and it matches with my experiences so far. Speaking of nothing being in black and white... as it turns out, I haven't completely moved from the Netherlands. I'm now living in both countries, and enjoying the best of both. I'll let you know how that turns out!
Spot on. I've lived here for 20 years. I don't enjoy living here anymore.
tbh i don't think i've ever actually enjoyed living in this country. I'm too tired to list all my grievances.
I live in the Netherlands since 2008 and I learned the language I got the citizenship, yet the dutch ppl are so cold and unwelcoming
And now you can work anywhere in the EU
@@funnyguyinlondon😂❤
And yet you are still here. Guess we do a lot of good things then or you would have left long ago, hmm?
@@carolinef1508 Lol love this response
@@essi0489 Thank you. There is almost no country that bends over backwards as much for immigrants as the Netherlands. There are plenty of immigrants that are respectful and accepted in return, but some are extremely entitled, despite their own countries being not nearly as accomedating to foreigners as we are. OP even has the gal to complain about not having expat tax discounts for longer, while Dutch people get none of that. Will Dutch people get help and forms in Dutch when they move abroad? Of course not. Yet the Netherlands provides information and forms in several languages and translators, people who explain where and how to do things etc.
Funnily enough, these complainers love to stick around for some mysterious reason. Someone being here since 2008 (!): Why would anyone stick around that long if they hate a place? Makes no logical sense.
The full Dutch experience you will not get in Maastricht. Maastricht is more like a mix between Dutch, Belgian, German and French. And yes even for Dutch people it is nearly impossible to be fully accepted in the province of Limburg. I have heard numerous Dutch people from the north of the country doing exactly what you did. After a few years, they see that they will never be fully accepted, and they move back. Sad. You just picked the wrong town. But... if it is because you just met one xenophobic jerk, I don't understand it.
Sadly, it wasn't just one person, and it wasn't just one thing. I just kept running into issues amd discrimination again and again, and at one point, I just got tired of trying to make it work. I know that it's not the whole country. Maybe I just need a break. Het is al 5 jaren nu, en een heleboel Nederlandse lessen (en belastingen)! Als dat nog niet genoeg is, weet ik dan niet als ik meer kan doen.
@@nicolevdh Tja, belasting betalen doen we allemaal. Dat heeft niets met afkomst te maken. Jammer dat het zo gelopen is. Goed dat je het op youtube zet. Er lopen hier zat idioten rond, helaas.
@@ronaldderooij1774 Ja, maar wat ik zo vervelend vond was dat mijn 30% regeling van 7 jaar tot 5 jaar was verminderd, wat een hele grote impact heeft voor mijn leven. Nee, het heeft niks te maken met afkomst, maar het maakte het nog veel moeilijker voor mij als immigrant.
@@nicolevdh Tja, dat snap ik. Aan de andere kant, ik wou dat ik vijf jaar korting kreeg op mijn belastingen...... Het is natuurlijk een cadeautje en dat duurt niet eeuwig.
@@ronaldderooij1774 Het was een overeenkomst, geen cadeautje. Het voelt alsof een "bait and switch". Als het 5 jaar was vanaf het begin, zou dat geen probleem zijn. Maar om over 7 jaar te praten, en dan het plotselling 5 te maken...
Saddened to learn your experience was not good. I hope you find a warmer welcome wherever you are now. I've recently run across your videos and find them very helpful. .🇵🇭
Thank you! I'm still in the Netherlands, but I'm in the process of buying a house in another country. Thanks for the support, and I'm glad you're finding the videos helpful. :)
I'm sorry about your experiences but I have lived in the Netherlands for almost 10 years, im from South Africa...yes some people are very ignorant but most Dutch people are more welcoming than most Europeans in my opinion. In my village people even greet you with a smile and stuff and are welcoming... We can take a few incidents and just generalise...no country is perfect, our own countries are not perfect too
So sad to hear you're leaving. I can totally relate because of similar experiences but I wish you all the best going forward.
Sorry to hear that! Even if I wanted to stay for cultural reasons, my tax arrangement (30% ruling) is up, so there's not much of a reason to stay...
Geen angst, ze is er nog steeds. Ze gaat ook niet echt weg.
Everybody hates, yet everybody is staying
Hello Dutchie here. So sorry you feel this way. I live near Rotterdam and over here it’s diverse. Even I thought in Maastricht that I weren’t in the Netherlands. It’s almost like they live in there own bubble. Off course not everyone. And you are Dutch don’t let anybody tell you otherwise. If you change your mind please come and live in the west. More people but a lot of real different cultures. Wish you all the best. Much love ❤️
Dank je voor het leuke antwoord. :) Goed om te weten dat het misschien aan de stad ligt... Ik had eens ook gedacht dat Utrecht heel mooi was, maarja. Ik hou van het land, dus misschien kom ik terug. :)
@@nicolevdh WoW wat spreek/schrijf je goed Nederlands zeg. Ja hier is het het zo divers qua afkomst geloven etc. Tuurlijk ook hier racisten, die hou je helaas overal. Maar is echt anders dan buiten de randstad. Hopelijk kom je terug! Je bent in elk geval welkom. Veel geluk
Utrecht and many cities in the north and East are just as terrible. We should mention that the only responses from a Dutchie to any form of criticism is denial and victim blaming.
@@nicolevdh Het is niet de stad. Nederlandse cultuur is gewoon niet gezond voor mensen die niet een hetero witte man zijn.
@@e.g.4483 what are you on about? And funny that I said Rotterdam what is in the west. Like you said Utrecht north and east. Thanks for agreeing with what I said. Don’t be so mad. Nice dreams
So sorry for your experience. I'm from Holland and can attest that idots are everywhere.
We are from Brabant, Hilvarenbeek and that is a great little village.
Hope it will all turn out ok
Thanks, I appreciate that a lot. :)
I was born and raised in the Netherlands to foreign parents. Most of the white Dutch will never accept you to Dutch. When you live in this country is something you have to deal with. When you do exellent at something your Dutch, and when you fail at something the Allochtoon. Perhaps moving to a more diverse place in south would be an option. The best of luck on deciding on what to do next.
that is a little bit generalizing. Because "white" discussion again. First of all I am white and I do accept people as part of our country. The Netherlands is very diverse lol at least where I live in the cities.
@@-_YouMayFind_- yet here you are arguing about their experience.
@@-_YouMayFind_-is called kankerliar and is what you are most of the time, both the words in the definition reflects.
You are so bad.
@@Unteragen-rg1so funny that peoppe like that never want to mention how often white people get attacked by poc and the police does NOTHING, because they are afraid to be called racist.
You're not going to silence me, sorry.
@@dutchman8129their imagination. They should go to a country with a poc majority and see how they treat tgem there (hint: almost always way more discriminatory than in Western Europe).
Wow, I thought from your name that you were born a Dutch citizen! I'm really sorry to hear that you had such a bad experience, but thanks for sharing.
If you're ever in Bavaria, I'd be happy to invite you for a drink.
Best wishes to you and your husband moving forward!
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Awww, that's so nice! I'll keep that in mind. My husband is of Dutch heritage, and that's how I got the name. However, he grew up entirely in Australia, so we are in the same boat regarding the language and culture shocks!
Oh gods, Limburg.... I was born there. (Not Maastricht, but middle). I never spoke the regional dialect much as a child, and holy hell did that isolate me as boy/teen. Most my friends lived outside of Limbo (Yes Im comparing it to the hellscape) and I never really felt Limburger. I wanted to move out of there as soon at the ripe old age of 11. Limburgers in -my- experience are very LESS direct then the northerners. If they have an issue with you, they gossip, and you will here it weeks later from the friend's uncle father's twice removed dog. (I mean you wont hear it directly). Carnaval is not really my thing either, but if you go celebrate outside of Limburg most are a bit more welcoming then in Limburg. I even had teachers in high school tutoring in Limburg dialect at times... that was "fun"..... But yea "Ons kent Ons" mentality is a thing.
4 yrs in a Dutch village near Gouda around 1988 was awful. I put on 4 stone. Thank God I went back to uk.
I visited the Netherlands for two weeks, expecting to have a great time based on everything I had heard about how friendly the Dutch people are. Unfortunately, my experience was quite different; I felt a lot of rudeness and encountered racism in many places. After my stay, I headed to Belgium, and I was pleasantly surprised. The people there were warm, welcoming, and much more accepting.
Yes, Belgium is a little bit better than the Netherlands. Nl ppl are rude and rasists.
@@mohand088 Belgian people can’t stand Dutch people. It’s a night and day difference in politeness and commin decency.
Jeeze that sound like some terrible experiences, I'm a born Dutch with one parent of another country and heard the "go back where you came from" comment sometimes too. Those are just idiots usually with not too high intelligence and indeed don't represent the majority of the population. I used to live in the suburbs where discrimination to me was more noticeable. These days I live near the center of Rotterdam and haven't had any of those experiences ever.
Everywhere it happens. If you look different, you will be treated differently. No matter how hard you try to assimilate. That's the bitter truth. Do not get much bother about it. If someone is wronging you, muster courage and fight back. That's the only answer. Darwin's principle- Fittest of fit will survive!
I just heard the same from someone leaving Japan. He will never be fully accepted not matter what … that‘s frustrating
Even though the goal shouldn't be "being accepted", I still feel like people should be respectful to others mandatory
Rotterdam, Groningen, Amsterdam and The Hague are more foreigner friendly. Just as in the US there are regional differences. Limburg and the Biblebelt are hard places to integrate as they are fairly conservative and/or right wing.
How is Nijmegen? Is it foreigner friendly too?
Also, in the South Netherlands where I live we have a somewhat better community.
I hope y'all are more comfortable and feel more welcome in PT 🙏 Thank you for all the content you make.
Thanks, Hugo! The people are definitely warmer in Portugal, which is a huge relief. <3
@@nicolevdh where in Portugal did you move? It's my dream 🤩 (currently in NL)
I lived in Netherlands the last seven years, i am italian, it was my nightmare.I still have a house there that i am paying, hope to finish all this
Do not expect nothing good from me when you will come again in Rome, NOTHING
Who exactly is expecting something from you? And why did you leave rome in the first place? Nl is very depressing lol.
Ik woon sinds 1979 in Nederland en heb de Nederlandse nationaliteit. Ik ben getrouwd en heb vier kinderen. Ik ben volledig ingeburgerd in de Nederlandse samenleving en heb zeer goede sociale contacten met Nederlanders. Ik heb nooit discriminatie ervaren. Mijn hele leven heb ik in Nederland gewerkt, en ik heb een hoge functie bekleed bij de overheid. Mijn kinderen zijn hier geboren; drie van hen zijn arts en één is advocaat. Ik ben Nederland eeuwig dankbaar voor de kansen die het mij en mijn kinderen heeft geboden, waardoor we zoveel hebben kunnen bereiken.
I am a Dutch man from Amsterdam. I say this with all do respect. If I learn Chinese and get a Chinese citizenship and lived in china for 10 years. I would not think that therefore now I am a Chinese man.
It's unfortunate to see the Dutch can be so unwelcoming, in contrast I've lived in the Philippines for 3 years and it felt like home there, my better home tbh.
I am a Dutch guy married with a very nice woman from Curaçao, we lived together for 35 years in the Netherlands were she moved to for study and later work. In the Netherlands my wife was always a foreigner, even speaking Dutch better than most of her colleagues. After Corona we decided to move to Curaçao, her native country. Guess what, she is a black Dutch women here on Curaçao, so she does not fit in anywhere. And I am of course a very white male taking advantage of a local beauty... eeehrrr.
I'm really sorry you had that experience =/
Okay but why are you sorry
Ah, judgmental landlord. Had one that asked why I cooked such a "fragrant" food.
Wow! Sad to hear you had a similar experience. Ours complained about the temperature we had the heating at (even though we were paying for it). She also invited three repair people to the house to fix a loose bathroom doorknob... coincidentally on a day she knew we wouldn't be home. Lucky I had security cameras set up.
I wish that everybody in the world would see this video. We are massively overcrowded. Public transport is getting completely jammed stuck, traffic jammed stuck, health care jammed stuck, housing jammed stuck. Criminals, no Dutch people, look at tv programms about criminals wanted. I have a lot of bad experiences witj foreigners too. Here a lot are about the Netherlands. But I can assure you, they are all still here. Just like the lady who made the video: why I leave the Netherlands? Well you didn't. Just like all the people who complain. All still staying. We are fastly overcrowded. So please keep your word. In some cities you have to wait 21 years before you get a house you can rent. Yet large numbers of people keep coming, coming and coming. People who hate it here, yet they come here, complain but stay. Absolutely great.
She forgot to include another unpleasant aspect of the Netherlands: xenophobia. You just reinforced it.
@aerokayo so you think we should recieve endless aomounts of new people. The waitingperiod for a house runs up to 21 years. Maybe I am xenofobic, I don't see that as very positive. What the fuck do you care? If my country goes to hell then you and the other freeloaders just fuck up the next country. She, despite her words is still here and so are you probably. Its that bad.
@ Wow. You are even worse than you iniatially showed to be. I can give you a piece of advice for the sake of your health, don’t hold your breath that you will ever change that. Your hate however, it’s going to catch up with you one day and you will realise you just wasted energy and embarrassed yourself with that bigoted mentality.
@@aerokayoright! The lady said she was leaving.
@@theSSHITT Yes. I know. So?
Very well done video. I’ve known you as an Obsidian user and here you are
Thanks, James! This was a little different from the usual Obsidian video, I must admit!
Yeah. People tend to vastly overrate how good western European countries have it and often sweep the problems under the rug. The worst part is that the few who are brave enough to critique european society often get unfairly labeled as far right. I left the Netherlands after years of drug addiction, and I will never go back.
Poorest health services like ambulance. No tests and no treatment except paracetamol.
My first and only question. Why did you choose Netherlands over Australia ? I lived in sydney for 5 years it was a dream. I would give my life for a visa. There is not a single day for me not missing australia. Some people don’t see their blessings :-(
I didn't choose one over the other. I still have both as options!
I live in Australia, and it’s a nightmare. Housing is so expensive and there is a shortage of affordable rentals :( beautiful country- but nightmare
@@nicolevdhyou hate the Netherlands so much, so why see it as an option still? Just so funny this. Must be doing something right, but that doesn't fit your pity party. Most annoying expats are the ones from English speaking countries, who want everything to be like at home while being in anotyer country, yet still expect extra priviliges as an expat. Saw you complaining in other comments about expat tax breaks not lasting long enough and it being hard to get triple citizenship. Dutch people don't even get expat tax breaks and rarely even dual citizenship.
A spoiled brat complaining this much while being this pampered🤣🤣
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Don't know what to say, that's so unfair and sad... some people are just cruel and underserving to live in society... That behavior is so disgusting and toxic that should be labelled criminal... but hey, isn't discrimination and racism a crime? That's essentially bullying at a really different level...
Thanks José! It really was racism. What was weird was that he said that to me, an Asian speaking Dutch fluently, and not to my husband, a Dutch-looking white person speaking in English.
If racism and discrimination is a crime in the Netherlands then it's illegal to be Dutch tbh.
I am so sorry for your experience in the Netherlands. Tbh Limburg is known as the most ''xenofoob'' province of the country. Hopefully, you and your boyfriend feel better in your next country.
Esther - that is so strange, considering Limburg is so close to the borders! My husband and I have bought an apartment in Portugal, and certainly we've felt more welcomed there. Thanks! :)
@@nicolevdh Limburger here. Yeah, I don't like that about us. I'm all for gladly sharing the hills, the vlaai, the clubs, the culture and pittoresque villages with everyone. But even the other Dutch people feel unwelcome here.
I guess many of us tend keep to ourselves and our own friend groups and have a hard time connecting with people that don't speak our language or have our accent. We have a very different mentality than the rest of the Netherlands regarding that. Generally more reserved, less bold, less outgoing, less open. This doesn't go for all of us though. But you sadly had to meet the ones on the other end of the spectrum, the actual xenophobes.
@@nicolevdh The cities in south-holland are actually way more diverse. I live there as a Dutch person.
@@nicolevdhand yet from your other comments, you still hang around quite a lot in the Netherlands. Funny that.
@@carolinef1508oh there's one. The xenophobe
Sending you and your hubby a hug (a fellow expat) :)
Thank you!
Sorry to hear about your negative experiences in Nederland. Yeah, the dutch can be... erm... difficult. Hope you'll find a hom soon!
Thanks for the commiseration! I hope so too! :)
Many people don't even feel at home in their own country. Xenophobic people exist everywhere. I'm often in the Netherlands, and I must say, the Dutch are the friendliest people on earth. Maastricht is a mixture of many other cultures. Anyway, I'm sorry for your experience, but it shouldn't be a reason to leave because there will always be some people who are projecting their unhappiness onto others. It's something personal and has nothing to do with you. ❤
You cannot speak for everyone. However, I am glad that your personal experience was and maybe still surprisingly positive with the Dutch.
Adding, your own restricted perspective may come offensive while trying to Solely define a whole race or nation as "Friendly"
I do acknowledge you said "some are xenophobic" but later you still said "They are xyz"
I wouldn't dare to make such a claim whether positive or negative.
No, I don't have anything against you or the dutch
Sorry to hear you had such bad experiences and met a few of the rotten apples in our country. I really think that doesn't reflect on the majority of us. Wish you all the best!
Hey, thank you for the nice comment! I totally agree. I definitely think the majority of people in the Netherlands are nice and welcoming, though perhaps just not as warm as I'm used to. I did end up moving to Portugal, though I haven't moved completely out of the Netherlands either, so I'm still living in both countries. Having some time away from each country helps me appreciate them both a bit more!
@@nicolevdhso many complaints but still hanging around. So sick of these expats always complaining but still somehow sticking around. Go to a country like China for instance and see how you get treated especially if you complain this much. One complaint about their country and they will hate the ever living f out of a foreigner and tell them to leave. Also, typical expat mentality that you find anywhere: "the locals don't like me weh".
the Pokemon incident
Ha! Good name for it.
Success, Nicole!
Dank je! :)
Don't forget, that Limburg has only been a Dutch province since 150 years or so..
As a North-Dutchman, I don't feel at ease there. And no.
Not very welcome eigther. So I guess you're not alone on this one.
Maybe an other place in the Netherlands would have been a better choice..
God speed to you
Beatrix and Geert also have more than one passport. There is only one passport :money. I moved out of the Netherlands. I prefer animals.
I am not sure about your residence status, but the Netherlands is fun, especially Maastricht. Though, found some, as you said judgmental towards my asian wife. I am originally from Apeldoorn myself.
I'm a Dutch citizen and resident of Maasticht. :) Sounds like your wife and I have a few things in common.
Citizenship isn't about who you are or what do you think you are (because with or without citizenship nobody will take it from you, you always will be who you are or who you think you are) but what country do you feel responsible for. From that video I guess the place is not the Netherlands.
Actually, citizenship is a piece of paper that may not have anything to do with what country/countries you "feel responsible for". Maybe you mean cultural identity.
@@nicolevdh it's about being a citizen. Having rights and duties to the country. This is what I mean by responsibility. This piece of paper is not an expression for your inner feelings or cultural background or whatever. It's: am I ready to be a good citizen for the country with all rights and duties?
@@opowiedzmiswojahistorie.5287 That might be how you look at it, but that's not necessarily true for everyone. You can get citizenship without ever having ever visited a country, and you can get citizenship without having made any commitment to a country.
However, I do agree that citizenship doesn't necessarily have anything to do with your identity either-- which is exactly what I said in the video.
it matters legally. You can feel whatever way you like, but just take one citizenship legally and accept it. Country policy, otherwise move ahead :D nothing racist about that, period.
hello there maam.. where can i message you privately i just wanted to ask something about in The Netherland.. Thank you so much😊
It doesn't excuse the behaviour in any way, nor does this rule always hold true, but (at least in the West) there definitely seems to be a correlation between the density of a country and its people's behaviour. With the Netherlands being one of the most densely populated countries in the world, people seem to be quite short tempered and have little understanding and patience for others here, especially in the Randstad (the western conglomerated part of the Netherlands). Meanwhile people like the Canadians and Australians are about the most laidback I have met, and coincidentally they're the most sparsely populated countries as well. What also plays a huge role is the infamous "Dutch directness", which even for us Dutch people can often be seen as rude, let alone for people from other countries. To an outsider Dutch directness might seem as the shining example of why Dutch people are just plain rude and self-centered people, but the reason and history behind it is many hundreds of years old and quite interesting and understandable if you know how it originated (I advice to watch a video about it if interested in this).
So sorry to hear that you had a bad experience... Have always feel welcomed in the Netherlands, but sometimes, you meet the wrong people. And I want to apologize for them. Hope you'll find new home that will make you happy :)
Thanks Nico! I'm glad you haven't had the same problems. :) Sometimes, just a few people can really ruin an entire experience, unfortunately.
Yes, it's all obviously her fault for meeting the wrong people FOR FIVE YEARS. Maybe, JUST MAYBE the people are the problem..but god knows the most narcissistic Europeans are Dutch. So it's obviously everyone else's fault the Dutch are abusers.
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We are not all the same...
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Oh there is an "inbetween" it's called being flemish.
We share the same native language, similar culture, from a young age we often come into contact with eachother, we are not "Dutch", we have differences (culturally, linguistically: different dialects and accents), but pretty damn close.
As a flemish in the netherlands, you're a "discount dutch" and dutch people in flanders are "discount flemish"
Even you have the Dutch Citizenship they will never except like one of us. If you are a foreigner try to focus on your purpose. Work hard here and safe some money to buy a land or maybe a house in in another and leave than the country. That is my purpose, I know that I can’t talk about this subject with them. They are very close to their culture, what can be good. I prefer a country that is open to other culture. Any way will move to Asia or South America. I had travelled in many European countries but I never felt comfortable. That’s why I don’t like Europe. I hope to leave very soon as possible.
Your voice is so relaxing ! More videoss please
Thanks for the support!
I live in Rotterdam for 13 years, I have lived way way way worse experiences than you, way worse, didn't move out, but now I will move out of here, not worth it.
Which other countries do you recommend?
I dont feel welcome or safe in my country of Origin(South Africa), and i thought of temporarily traveling to the Netherlands...But hearing these experiences has made me reconsider?
Do you have an email, where i can contact you and ask you what happened?
Kind regards
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@@incognito3599 no
@@incognito3599 Consider the UK it has a 3x better economy than the Netherlands and people are more reasonable about practically everything over there.
@@RobotronSage the UK has a better economy than the Netherlands? 🤣
Also, why did they have a Brexit again? Because they love foreigners so much?🙃
Are you going to your country?
So I would like to move to the Netherlands to study and I’m black and from the Caribbean. Would I have problems studying in Amsterdam?
Nah, there are many more like you. You'll be fine, just come and enjoy yourself. Amsterdam is an international city and it houses many different cultures, besides being a student city. Don't worry much :)
I'm half Dutch, born in Australia and speak fluent Dutch, with an Aussie accent. I look Dutch, am 6'6 and athletic. Even I will never be Dutch nor accepted by them. I’m ok with this. I don't have a right to move to The Netherlands as I was not born there. I have family in Amsterdam, who speak the local dialect and have been priced out by disconnected whordes of rich yuppies in the tech sector. Many of the road yuppies have lived in Amsterdam for decades and can't even order a beer in Dutch. The housing crisis is bad, and prevalent in both countries in part due to this.
No one from outside can genetically become Dutch. Even though, she mentioned they wouldn't accept her as dutch, the point is not that.
She, in the video, says no matter how many years you live there, they won't ACCEPT YOU. You will never feel you "BeLong" there
But I thought she poorly mixed the two things together and people made it about the genetics.
FYI, By Law you Can change your nationality
Coming here during covid pandemic and the aftermath. Very well moment to consider the Netherlands
One of my friends moved to Russia ( Sochi) , it has good weather and is warm in the summer however, in Winter it is very cold like the western European Nations however, it never gets as cold as Moscow and the Russian interior.
Do not believe the crap in western media about “ there is no freedom in Russia” and/ or the Russians are eating hedgehogs !
There is plenty freedoms in Russia as long as people are not trying to teach children to be homo’s or transgender nonsense moreover, it is a great place to be a young Child, has a growing economy , is in SCO, BRICS, is a military super power , is a resource super power that does not allow foreign Firms to own or control natural Resources like Gas, oil, Forests, Railways, Mining, Territorial Waters , Agricultural Land and, if you are a good , clean living person that supports Man and Woman marriage, public decency , considerate to good morality ; Russia is an excellent place to live, work and raise a family .
There are places of course in Russia that are not great places to live due to the cold or outdated economies however, Russia is attracting many tens of thousands of westerners as the Tax system is good, Corporate Taxes are lower than most EU States and energy is very cheap as Russia has so much of it .
If you are a Farmer, you can get free land to Farm in Russia ( the eastern part) and as the Russians put Sanctions on the EU as a reciprocal response , the Russian Agricultural sector has a near captive market and the food Supply mainly comes from Asia, and the middle Eastern States .
Have a look at Russia Ma’am as you may well want to make this your home too.
I do not know if you were allowed to keep your Australian Citizenship or, if being Dutch requires this to be abandoned however, if you subscribe to “ the Nomad capitalist “ you could be interested in getting a second or third Citizenship that will allow you to spend a few months each year in a different jurisdiction and this gives a level of freedom that most do not ever enjoy.
I wish you & yours all the best in your next move @broad !
you are right
Maybe you could move to the West of the country, but still less nice people are everywhere in the world.
Yeah, and I have definitely met many very nice and welcoming people, so I'm definitely not saying it's all Dutch people. However, my overall experience has unfortunately been that out of the four countries in four continents that I have lived in, I've had the hardest time being accepted here. It's discouraging, after spending so much time working on my Dutch.
go to almere its very peaceful
Not true. I guess when people literally hide from one another and don't act like civil neighbours, it is called peaceful. Whatever floats your boat
They key to survive in the Netherlands is to stick with international people.
And as a Dutch 16 year old girl myself, a 100% really Dutch looking girl with a super Dutch name, I AM ABSOLUTELY ASHAMED for what my Dutch people say about non-Dutch people. It absolutely disgusts me so much and it’s making my blood boil. Nobody heard of ‘having some decent respect for the people around you’.
You have them being low key racist and some straight out racist. It’s actually getting worse and both sides will only get more separated socially. We are all from the same species, you came from the same person a million years ago, dont hate your brothers and sisters
wat een aardige ziel jij hebben ❤
Go away !
Oh, c'mon. Unless natives send us into ovens/gas chambers 😅, we're fine. Immigrants will always be outsiders in some aspects... I didn't have too high expectations in this regard when was moving here. However, it's still better than my homeland in many social/mentality regards.
As long as you made some friends here, this is tolerable and somewhat expected. And to make friends you need soft skills, empathy, patience, etc. Not the citizenship or passport. And the whole world doesn't have to love each of us.
But I hear you. And ofcourse you don't have to get sh...t from a few ignorant locals.
We are all inbetween ...
I agree! Some people more so than others.
@@nicolevdh Not at all, my dear ! The whole mankind is "inbetween". Otherwise there is no mankind, and thus no humanity. It's true that a lot of people think they are vegetables : grown from the earth, auto-chtones. But the vegetables too are "inbetween" : the seeds come from the wind, the birds or the bees. Keep your way on, where you want to go or where you want to stay. There is a french-"inbetween"-arabic proverb that says : " Les chiens aboient, la caravane passe". You are the caravan. Be aware of the dogs, but don't listen to them. (Excuse my "inbetween" english).
It sounds like you have an American accent rather than Australian; if English isn't your first language, did you end up learning American English before moving to Australia or are there areas in Australia that don't have such an Aussie accent?
English isn't my first language. I did learn American English first before moving to Australia!
Hello..new Filipino subscriber here..I am really considering moving to Netherlands.. How about the healthcare system there? Can I come the high prices of goods there?
The healthcare system is good, but different. They're not as big on prevention as you might be used to in the Philippines. If you're earning in euros, you won't have an issue with the cost of goods here. Good luck!
you Will never become duch...the duch definition of duch is a white and blond woman or man...even if you serve in the Army or play sports for that country you will be seen as an outsider you will never be not be accepted...let me say that there are sone verry kind duch people also for the record.
I dont like maastricht coming from Amsterdam but amsterdam is also very expensive and ruined by the goverment. Echt jammer .
I know that you can re-acquire your Filipino passport but does OZ still consider you an Aussie after getting Dutch citizenship?
Yup! Oz is actually pretty lax on the multiple citizenship front.
@@nicolevdh I also noticed that you have a Dutch last name. Is your husband Dutch by any chance? If that's the case then that probably explains how you learned to speak their language.
I'm from the Netherlands.I'm originally from Surianme , Former department or colony of the Netherlands. I feel so sorry for you because you really love the Netherlands and now you are leaving because of one single person. I was a couple of time in Maasricht and not every one in that city love color people. So in smaller cities you can get involved with these situations. Why not try the populair cities such as Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Den Haag or Utrecht?
"One Person"! Are you speaking for her now? Did you get the message from the video?
She said "People wouldn't accept you as Dutch"
She specifically said the word "experiences" with an 'S' at the end.. which means it wasn't just one person.
I like that you said sorry. But why do you say that? Are you Dutch and trying to apologise on behalf of the Netherlands? I am just confused
@@BigPharma-pe3mr she isn't dutch, that's why.
im sorry that happened to you, though I just wanna ask, do you still have you PH and OZ passport? I've heard that you cant easily have dual citizenship in NL
Yes, I have three passports: PH, AU, NL. Yes, it's not easy to have multiple citizenships in the Netherlands but I happen to qualify for one of the exceptions-- my husband is a Dutch citizen, so I didn't have to give up either of my previous ones. My husband is also an exception himself-- he has NL and AU passports because he was born to Dutch citizens in Australia and acquired both at birth.
I feel that Europeans are very close people. They are always above everyone else. I was always told that Dutch people are open-minded. This doesn't seem to be true.
You should have come to Rotterdam!
Dumb question if you were an English speaking American would they be able to hire you easily? Because I've Read a few articles a while back saying I would get hired easily even if I didn't know Dutch and spoke English right off the back. To me I thought it was kind of bizarre and unfair to other people from other countries and more like they only wanted to hire people from my country because of money.
How many jobs can people get in the USA without speaking English? Not all that many. So you're actually complaining that the Netherlands is open enough to have lots of jobs available to people not speaking the native language?🤣 You do realize that is actually a benefit? There are lots of people from different countries working here. Personally (most Dutch people would not agree, because they're nicer than me), I think native English speakers are usually the most resistant to learning new languages, most likely to overestimate the importance of their skillset, the first to complain when things are not like home but in contrast also want benefits local people don't have. Look at yourself. You're even complaining while you're not here and about a thing that is actually a benefit to expats🤣🤣
There are more and more people from India moving here who have a great technical skillset, get well above average paying jobs and don't come here complaining about being able to get a job without learning the native language, which is something very few countries allow on the same scale.
Those articles are wrong. In very internationally minded industries and work sectors it's not that bad, and even then you won't land a job easily but would have to put effort into it. For the majority of industries and work sectors you will only land the job if you're native Dutch, or at minimum speak Dutch fluently.
Can you also make a video about your positive experiences in Netherland, it would be really great. Much love and luck. ❤❤❤
*would u please read my un-organised writing and tell me if it answers your question or suggestions
Based on my perspective, let me tell you why some people (non-dutch) don't focus on positive experience
I mean c'mon! What is positive? Health-care, education, jobs?
Do you believe these things matter for immigrants, especially expats?
I think many people don't really care about the Health-care system or finance, or how many trains there are in that country.
Hence, that positive aspect people tend not to talk about.
What I believe most really care about is how they feel while using those things like boarding a train, hospitals, college, jobs, etc. you see you will have to interact with People at the end of the day
And
Those people(yeah! Native people) are the main gatekeepers of how someone would feel about colleges, hospitals, jobs, etc.
Now, we know why people(immigrants) leave certain Developed countries and some would even go back to Third-countries leaving behind the wealthy hospital, college, jobs, etc..
So I don't know how effective the Positive experience video would be so ridiculous
Wel erg zonde dat je in Maastricht bent gaan wonen... Aparte mensen daar en erg gesloten... Je had veel beter naar Tilburg of Leiden kunnen gaan. En je 'the real Dutch experience' ga je nooit in maastricht vinden... Maastricht lijkt meer op Duitsland dan op Nederland als je het mij vraagt. Wel zonde. Hoop dat je ooit weer terugkomt.
Maaskantje is niet Nederlands nu heb ik alles gehoord hoor! Smoesjes smoesjes wat een smoesjes allemaal.
@@RobotronSage Even you have the Dutch Citizenship they will never except like one of us. If you are a foreigner try to focus on your purpose. Work hard here and safe some money to buy a land or maybe a house and leave than the country. That is my purpose, I know that I can’t talk about this subject with them. They are very close to their culture, what can be good. I prefer a country that is open to other culture. Any way will move to Asia or South America. I had travelled in many European countries but I never felt comfortable. That’s why I don’t like Europe. I hope to leave very soon as possible.
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Thanks for the support!
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Good afternoon. I'm thinking about to move to NL with my lady and do the meriiage there later. I am a cityzen of EU country, and my lady not. Do you know if we or at least me for start have any chance to get cityzenship of NL and for example, have some low tax loan for buying a house or something like that? CItyzenship could a wait until we could do the language test, but i would like to find and buy a place for loan. What are the chances to have an "aid" for young couple? And as far i understood from video, i will be forced to close my other cityzenships if i want to get Dutch ?
@OtisPeabody-ec7dc Why not?
Nicely done, Nicole.
Thanks, Linda! :)
i had a nice life in Twenthe.but i didnt need all kind of materials so moved back to RI
That's what the Netherlands looks like..... 🤦♂️🤣
Where did you move now!?
yure married to dutch or whats with your name? you left because your tax ruling expired? anyway. it was surprising you wanted to live in NL and the first thing that came into my mind was because of the tax ruling
What ever you do don t go to the nederlands !!!!!!!!!!!
Amen. Stay away. We are already so incredibly overcrowded. It is causing huge problems. So, Irealy realy hope they follow your advise. Little change though. The lady from this video: still here,
But it's not about being dutch but also as an expat you're supposed to have no personality and be boring.
same experiance ... even worst
Sorry to hear that. Do you live in the Netherlands too?
@@nicolevdh yeah, for almost 5 years, faced lots of racism here, unfortunately, even though I was so heart-opened with them...
Sad. I get it! I have been surprised by the reception here. I've met some awesome people who were very welcoming, but I've also had more negative experiences than other countries I've lived in.
Does someone live in that alley?
OK where are you going to?
the colonialist of Indonesia for hundreds of year !!
not only Indonesia
Yes, from our modern viewpoint that wasn't something to be proud of. However back in those days everyone who was able to colonised others, the Netherlands got colonised by France and Spain as well, and before that the lower half of the country got colonised by the Roman empire. And after having been colonised by the Dutch for centuries and thus knowing what that's like, Indonesia is now doing the exact same thing to Papua New Guinea....
It’s a woke country anyway 😂