agreed. I have a Fenix 6 with GG and my 5 with sapphire and I still can't weigh up the reflection/scratch resistant pros / cons issue! This is really useful!
I bought the 7x sapphire solar and it was almost impossible to see the screen indoors and 7x is huge! I changed it for fenix 7 regular glass and it’s wayyyyy better. You can see the screen easier and soo much lighter than the 7x Update: I bought a protector glass on amazon and it works perfect.
Totally agree. I also had both Fenix 7 silver ns (non-sapphire) and Fenix 7x ss (solar sapphire) black. At the end I returned 7x. Besides MUCH better display, Fenix 7 used to lock satelites twice as fast (5 sec vs 10 sec), both on "All systems". Also schratches on the silver body are MUCH less visible than on the black. The ONLY pro of 7x was the titanium body making it only 4 grams heavier then Fenix 7. Stay away from sapphire!
So Gorilla Glas+Glass Screen Protector is still better visibility then Saphire Model? I own a scanwatch 2 as Daily driver, which has a Saphire Display by default and I never had issues reading the watchface.
Switched from 6 Pro Solar to 7X Solar. I don’t care about sapphire, because I had zero scratches on my 6 and Casio ProTrek I’ve used before Garmin. I was acctualy worry that I will scratch the Titanium bezel easier than steel one, cause it’s softer material. I don’t believe DLC is on the same level as it is in some real industry and instruments. Maybe I’m wrong, no hate there 🙂 Happy for those I’ve got ✌️
I must make a small correction that "The same sapphire glass glare situation" doesn't apply to mechanical Omegas. Expensive mechanical watches usually have an anti reflective coatings on both sides of the sapphire glass, plus the glass itself is slightly curved. A dome shaped. The end result is that it rather looks like not having a glass at all than having a reflective glass. Overall I like your videos. Keep up the good work.
I'm looking at buying a Garmin but at the end of the day I have to ask myself what is it I actually need compared to what I think I need. There is a vast difference!
I've got the Fenix 7s Sapphire Solar. And damn its the best watch i ever used. Lightweight, very good gps accuracy and all the other known stuff. If you can afford go for the 7s sapphire.
In terms of GPS accuracy they're all basically the same unless you use multi-frequency mode on the sapphire models. Even then, the difference isn't that noticeable unless you're in SUPER challenging situations. The GPS accuracy has been greatly improved accross the board even in basic modes. I'll have a deep dive video to follow up on this!
Since I had very good experience with my Fenix3 sapphire - still working only scratch marks on the bezel - I went straight for the Epix2 sapphire as a upgrade after 7 years.
After bellyaching for a while, I finally splurged and got the Epix 2. I got the base model with glass and silver mostly because that was all that is available now. I don't really think I need sapphire and I'll enjoy a slightly brighter screen. Thanks for all your videos
I took the plunge on a base 7s. Mainly because sapphire only comes with Solar which will take an additional €200,-/€300,- in Europe. My personal experience with Gorilla Glass is that it is pretty durable. (at least enough for me) Also not all color combo’s are available in all variations so that may affect the actual decision as well. I personally are not a fan of black watches so the white/stainless color on the base 7s was spot on for me.
@@ChaseTheSummit I'd a very bad experience on the surface treatment on the fenix 6 bezel, the black coating scratches just looking... How it is on the black F7?
@angelodaniele641 did you go for a black fenix7? On my fenix5 I purposefully chose the silver bezel because you don't notice scratches. But now looking at an epix pro sapphire, I am kinda leaning towards the black dlc because I'm not sure if I will like the white case of the silver version...
I’m looking at buying a Fenix 7 sapphire watch for the Dual band GPS, Also tempted with the 955 now with the latest software upgrade and hopefully the bugs sorted out, but also tempted by the Garmin oled display, so what to buy, by the way live all the geeky stuff in this video as that’s what makes deciding on a watch before you spend a lot of money 🥳
Thanks to this channel, I went out and bought the Garmin Epix (sapphire) and I think I cant go back to the normal screen after experiencing the AMOLED display. Its just gorgeous and so much easier to see and operate. Despite Chase's warning that if the sun does shine from behind and perpendicular to the watch face, the Epix is still extremely legible at least in my experience. This is def the one to go for. I wish they had a non dlc titanium grey model WITH sapphire and mutiband gps. I have no idea why they released 2 different Epix configurations...
@@ChaseTheSummit Thanks for the info Chase, much appreciated. But I am confused, looking at the Garmin website, it does not mention DLC for any of the available Epix models. As far as I'm concerned there's only normal titanium Epix's. What am I missing?
Great video. Wish I could have seen it before purchasing mine! I just got a F7 Solar Sapphire and the reflectiveness/glare is way too much for me. I'm returning it and going to the base solar model. I previously owned a F6 Solar and a F6 Ti Sapphire. The new F7 models with sapphire seem to have even worse clarity than the F6 sapphire models. It seems like the addition of solar and touch has really affected the display's "base" contrast so when you add a sapphire lens on top of that it becomes pretty difficult to read. Like you say, outdoors is fine but the majority of the population spends most of their time indoors. You would think indoor visibility would be a high ranking priority for a smartwatch like this. Actually, I wish they'd done more Gorilla Glass models this generation. FYI Garmin does change their product images for the Black DLC and Carbon Gray DLC variants, but the difference is pretty minimal. The only difference is the highlights on the bezel.
For sure, the addition of solar + the touch digitizer definitely has an effect on base contrast but I don't find it to be too distracting and compared to other brands it's still one of the better displays. Thanks for sharing!
@@ChaseTheSummitThis is the first Garmin watch that I have to specifically hold up to my eyes and find the right angle in order to read the display. Even on my F6 sapphire it was mostly readable at off angles.
@@guraygu you expressed all my concerns about F7 sapphire. I have F6 sapphire titanium and this is exactly what I was afraid of in the new F7 display. I've read this on many forums and it's terrible. Especially in situation where Garmin made almost all “full-charged” F7 models only in a bundle of sapphire-solar. And I like transflective screens, but not amoled. Dead end…
The fenix 7x sapphire solar watch has a major drawback, the screen in the menu as well as the messages that arrive when the phone is connected to the watch are set to black background and pale blue text (due to the poor finish of the sapphire glass, there is no white color, but pale blue color) and that text is hard to read. There is no option like on older models of garmin watches to change the background to be white or pale gray and the text to be black, which would be more legible. (Inverter color or display color setting). As soon as you sweat a little around your eyes during activities, you can't see clearly, or if you have a smaller (+ eye diopter) for reading, which most people over 40 have the same problem, you strain to read what is written on the screen. Otherwise, the watch is excellently made, but this problem with the screen and the lack of an option to set the background to be white or gray and the text to be black, which is more pleasant and legible for the eye, makes the garmin fenix 7x sapphire solar watch unusable for many people and if not documents in some software update the watch is a complete and utter failure. I found a lot of the same comments in several forums which says that the problem is not innocuous.
Very useful video please keep doing these. I think I would of been abit butthurt with the dullness of the saphire screens in low light on the fenix, I put off upgrading from my 745 when they first came out, still miss the brightness and low reflectivity of it but I like my fenix 7 solar and would of paid more for the titanium and extra storage/gps if you could get it in non sapphire.
Thanks for the great comparison. Did you ever find out if Garmin apply an anti-reflective coating on their sapphire crystal? I'm really surprised at the reflections in your video, as even cheap wristwatches with sapphire + AR coating don't have this problem.
I'm considering a Fenix 7s SS coming from a 745. One thing I'm 'concerned' about is the brightness of the screen due to the sapphire glass, I like that when I go out of bed in the middle of the night, switching on the screen of the 745 works a bit like a flashlight which is very useful for me. Since the sapphire of this is less bright, does the screen still emits enough light to use it as flashlight when it's pitch dark? Thanks :)
Love my silver base model Epix. I’ll take the clearer display any day. Had a 6xpro with standard glass with no marks worn 24/7. The GPS is miles better without multiband anyway. Saved myself £120.
Thanks for sharing! The Gorilla Glass is perfectly acceptable... I just like the peace of mind of sapphire. Glad you're enjoying the Epix! And yes, the GPS is so much better in basically every mode!
@@martin.kuchar1 I don't have one on mine. The sapphire would be an extra piece of mind but I feel the raised bezel will do a pretty good job of making sure things don't come in contact with the screen. We'll see over time though
I don't think it was in their control. The amount of orders that came in exceeded their supply so they had to back order some folks unfortunately. On the upside you're free to cancel your order and buy from another store. I've noticed that various retailers started to get them in stock like PlayBetter (links in description), and even REI local stores.
@@ChaseTheSummit I am looking at the fenix 7X Sapphire Solar (Mineral Blue DLC Titanium/Whitestone). 3-4 weeks backorder on Play Better. 5-8 weeks backorder on the Garmin site.
do you think that the advantages of 7 sapphire are able to counteract the large deficit of visibility? I notice that the visibility of the gorilla glass is much higher. what do you think about it?
Personally the difference isn't that big of a deal. The camera makes it more dramatic. I'd go sapphire for myself because I've scratched lots of watches and I don't 100% trust the Gorilla Glass. Plus, if you add a screen protector the visibility is about the same due to the additional layer. But, that's just me.
@@ChaseTheSummit do you also have experience regarding the greater resistance of the dlc-coated ring nut? in my opinion it is easier to scratch the bezel than the glass, don't you think? However, I have both on my arm and at home I notice the difference a lot, I have to evaluate well. thanks for your help.
Thanks for the great review. Been having a hard time which model of the 7 to go for. Well bit the bullet and went for the Sapphire Solar… After buying the base model and returning it! happy I did or else I’d have always that niggling feeling … I should have got the best one! Anyway you made my mind up! Thanks
I have a sapphire screen on my 6 year old fénix 3 hr and it doesn’t have any scratches on the screen. It really is incredible, I bump it all the time at work. Definitely worth the hundred dollar upgrade.
Well, this video just convinced me to order the F7X Sapphire. Thanks Dave! I hope you have a couch for me to crash in, 'cause I'm pretty sure that my wife is considering kicking out of the house, eheheh.
Hi, did you (or anyone) try adding a screen protector on the solar non-sapphire 7x? I want to know if it would impact the solar charging or the touch screen response. Thanks.
My F6xPro recently had a failed barometer/altimeter sensor. Was offered either refurbished F7x Sapphire Solar for $230 or 20% F7xPro Sapphire Solar. I use an HRM Pro for the majority of workouts so the updated HR sensor doesn’t really matter much. Is there enough of a difference between the 2 to justify the difference in cost?
The Pro model is a year newer so you'd probably get more feature updates longer if that means anything to you. You also get the more accurate Gen 5 heart rate sensor along with wrist temperature sensing and ECG functions. Other than that, they're very similar.
I am debating between the Sapphire and Steel (Base) model Epix. I really prefer the look of the steel base model. I don't mind having gorilla glass, and the smaller storage isn't a huge deal for me. My worry is not having multi band GPS. Have you noticed a big difference in accuracy between having multiband GPS and not?
The one thing I already don't like able I my new Fenix 7x Sapphire Solar compared to my 6 Pro is the darker screen. I knew it was going to be darker, but it's nearly unviewable in anything less than direct sunlight without activating the backlight. I've only had it for a day now, mind you, but it's something that irritates me every time I try quickly glancing at the time.
Really appreciate your time and skills making these videos. This helped me decide between The Epix 2 Sapphire and the Felix 7X Sapphire. Great content!
They're basically the same but it depends on the quality of your screen protector. One thing I hate about protectors is that they tend to "smudge" and don't shed dust/water while Sapphire beads up and stays pretty clean.
Everyone does understand that if you drop a Sapphire lense on a hard service like a rock or a tile floor it will probably shatter right? Don’t ask me how i know
Yes, it's a stiffer material so it's more prone to shatter but it takes a pretty intense impact to shatter such a small lens. I suspect Gorilla glass would also shatter in the same situation. I'll take the trade off for scratch resistance but your mileage may vary!
I'll be upgrading from a Fenix 3 Sapphire, but am struggling to decide between the Fenix 7 Sapphire and the Epix Sapphire. Can anyone tell me the level of improvement in the screen quality from the Fenix 3 to the 7? I'd like the battery life of the Fenix so if the screen is a decent upgrade on my 3 it's probably going to be good enough. Thanks!
The screen is similar between 7 and 3. The 7 is a bit larger and has a higher resolution but the underlying technology hasn't changed in the transflective MIP displays. If you're happy with the F3 display the F7 will be a marginal improvement. The Epix on the other hand is a whole different animal with the AMOLED.
@@ChaseTheSummit thanks very informative. I’m currently thinking maybe the 7 Sapphire. The Epix battery life is OK but if I want to keep the watch a number of years it’ll likely degrade over time, as has happened with my 3. Your comments on the Sapphire glass are spot on, my 3 Sapphire is really beat-up but the screen is still perfect so I’m definitely going that route.
I have a deep dive on this coming. In short, all of the GPS modes are improved from the Fenix 6 to 7. The multi-band mode is the most accurate but only in very challenging situations.
I had the fenix 3 and 5 in gorilla. I’ve use the 5 for 5? 6 years? I have a gnarly scratch in it, but I didn’t have a screen protector on it. The next watch I get, considering I will use it for 5+ years I will get the sapphire. Thanks for the content.
Correct, but I think the benefits of being scratch resistant outweigh the cons of being brittle since these lenses are so small it would be very hard to crack.
Would you recommend the sapphire model for people who work in rough environments like a mechanical workshop? I need a smart watch that can take some abuse because the workshop is taking a toll on my phone
Thanks for the great comparisons. I’m surprised the reflectivity of sapphire doesn’t bug you more, because when I watch your side by sides I see a vast difference in readability of the screens. To me it’s a dealbreaker and makes sapphire not worth it, but I don’t usually scratch my screens either (knock on wood)
I think it looks a little more dramatic on camera. In person it just means tilting your wrist at a very slight angle and both of them look similar. It takes some getting used to. I just like the durability because I'm clumsy lol.
@John Brubaker I’m 100% with you. I had a Fenix 7 Sapphire Solar delivered to me today and the glare is just awful IMO. I had my 6 Pro for a while and it was gorilla glass. I didn’t have any issues with scratching luckily and the difference is HUGE on legibility.
I bouught on Black friday standard f7 for 399 . And for 3€ screen protector . Yes black or carbon grey looks better and more "dirty" or have can I explain it , than standard silver . Silver version looks more like city watches and they have more elegance + with green or khaky nato stap they look amazing .
Good video. I have a sapphire 6 and gorilla 6x gorilla glass. Eyes might be getting older, but between the how reflective sapphire is, and the dimming quality, I find it impossible to read in anything but outdoor, full sun with no reflections. Don't think the video really showed how bad it is in use.
I've never had a Sapphire fenix before. I love how the bare titanium / chestnut leather Sapphire look, but if the screen is that bad I guess I'm better off with the base model and just change the strap to leather. Any thoughts? I am really scared of how the Sapphire will impact the display. On the other hand, I was also looking at the epix but I am concerned with the screen burn issue.
I had similar thoughts, so I went for the "base model" slate grey 7x solar and got the leather band separately. These look great together, but please note that the leather band is not the best for sports!
Yesterday I decided to go for fenix 7 pro solar instead of sapphire solar, and ordered it. Tech wise I get the same for more less money (the solar only wass in sale) and better legibility. And the additional orange button 😉. I'm still happy with my decision, even after seeing this video.
I see that in the sapphire versions, the colors appear more muted. It looks darker with less vibrancy. Perhaps it's due to the crystal or the anti-reflective coating they apply. What are your thoughts on that?
I'm not sure which one to choose between the Fenix 7x or the epix . The epix does look nice but super artificial and wonder if it is actually too bright. The fenix 7x has to have solar which doesn't look all that nice personally. I was thinking for that reason to maybe go with the tactix standard edition as it doesn't have solar and same price.
Firstly many thanks for all the nice videos and comparisons, much appreciated. Having that said, I think this scratch proof discussion is somehow exaggerated. I've had basically plastic sport watches for the last 12 years without any issues. At least I would not accept worse transparency in favour of scratch proofness, because that affects your daily life much more. I mean, in the worst case you would just have the glass replaced and then it's like new again.
Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately I've scratched quite a few Garmins that weren't sapphire. They use a Gorilla Glass DX which has an anti-reflective coating that's quite easy to damage and show scratches. A screen protector is a good way to protect this glass but I just prefer to get Sapphire and not worry about it. On the note about having the glass replaced: I don't think Garmin offers this. Thanks for watching!
It's not just a matter of clarity vs scratch resistance. In order to get certain specs like the 32G storage and flashlight, your only choice is the sapphire glass. Personally, I'd prefer to have the Epix and not worry about screen brightness, but since I want 51mm I'm going with the 7X SS.
I personally think that in direct sunlight, Garmin should increase the luminosity by an extra 200-300 nits for the epix pro models, specially the sapphire models. Just an extra boost in direct sunlight would help sometimes. (Have a epix pro gen 2 titanium grey 47). Great video, thank Sir
There is a big chunk of guys who just love the steel epix look including myself. And yes, one hundred doesn't really matter when you spend such a load of money for a toy basically
I *think* I have an Epix coming today. So fast Garmin! 💨 As for the saphphire, I always thought it must be a lot more expensive but I'm not 100% sure that's true. I'm also thinking that the cloudy sapphire might be less of an issue with the AMOLED. Kind of looks like that's the case, right? Also, how do you end up with 9 Fenix series watches and I can't even get one? 🤦♂️ Keep up the good work buddy!
For sure, the cloudiness of the sapphire is barely noticeable on the Epix due to the crazy bright AMOLED display. It's more noticeable on Fenix 7. Don't worry, most of the units I've seen were loaners or other peoples watches! Looking forward to your take on the Epix!
Hi! I would like to congratulate you for the excellent video. I am researching 2 watch models just for running. If money was no object, would you go for the Garmin 255 or the Garmin phoenix 7? Best regards alexander
Truth is just about all wrist worn SpO2 devices aren't very accurate. It's not a great spot on the human body for a sensor like that. If you stay VERY still and have a light colored skin you can get reasonably close results. That said, it's not meant to be used as a medical device but more for altitude acclimatization.
Good video. Glad you took the watches into direct sunlight. SOmething I've been concerned about with smartwatches in general....why I don't yet own one (was sonsidinger hte Samsung Galaxy watch....maybe a Garmin Epix G2...). .. Do these watches hae an "atto brightness" adjust feature? Auto upping the brightness when outside midday after lunch when the sun is usually the most intense? So easy to washout a display. Phone or smartwatch...if the brightness isnt nearly maxed out....
Wish the Fenix 7 came in the dark bronze titanium color or even if the Epix came in that color. Feel that I'm giving up too much battery life and screen real estate if I got the 7s. I have the SS Epix and Fenix 6x. Also really wish the 7 and Epix came with the speaker and mic. Kind of lame of Garmin to leave that out on such a flagship device.
The 16 vs 32 gig memory that’s only on the flagship watch’s is a gig issue and your permanently shortchanging your self if maps and onboard music is your thing
I think it depends on what you intend to store on the watch. I don't think 16G would be a huge issue for me but I typically only sync a handful of songs and podcasts over. Thanks for watching!
Love your videos! Quick question: Is the black color of the Epix and Fenix DLC different shades? My Epix is more gunmetal, my Fenix DLC is very black. Hard to tell from your videos but I noticed it right away when I unboxed them Epix. Thanks!
Hi, really like your videos. Especially the detail you put into. Regarding the EPIX Screen comparison there is one thing that puzzles me :-). ua-cam.com/video/SCPKxgJoXkA/v-deo.html Yeah indeed the epix sapphire looks more foggy but the screens on the watches show different batterie life expectations. Epix Sapphire 11d vs. Epis Gorilla Glas 4d and the gorilla glas has more percentage. Could it be that the brightness on the sapphire is not 100%? Or has the gorllia glas the always on mode active?
I am wondering ... Is there any fluidity or responsivness difference betwean base and sapphire models (fenix 7 / epix g2)? Is there same processors/chipset inside the base and sapphire models?
It depends, the 945 has better battery life. The Fenix 7s has more features and a smaller form factor along with more accurate GPS and heart rate sensors. What do you value more?
Used your link for the 7. After dealing with my 4 year old fenix 5X+ with erroded charging contacts. Its time i upgraded! Still a great watch but i decided dont need amoled screen or sapphire and plus the bulkiness im not into as much now lol. Thanks! 🙏
Is there any "add-on" to raise the bezel or put another cover over it and retain the button pushing? It would be nice if these were more like the g-shocks in this area.
If you put a screen protector on normal glass I suppose that maybe the combination of the protector and the normal glass will transmit less light than a sapphire glass.
I like this format of focusing on one aspect and drilling down in detail. Makes for a quick informative video. Thanks Dave.
Thanks!
agreed. I have a Fenix 6 with GG and my 5 with sapphire and I still can't weigh up the reflection/scratch resistant pros / cons issue! This is really useful!
I bought the 7x sapphire solar and it was almost impossible to see the screen indoors and 7x is huge! I changed it for fenix 7 regular glass and it’s wayyyyy better. You can see the screen easier and soo much lighter than the 7x
Update: I bought a protector glass on amazon and it works perfect.
Totally agree. I also had both Fenix 7 silver ns (non-sapphire) and Fenix 7x ss (solar sapphire) black. At the end I returned 7x. Besides MUCH better display, Fenix 7 used to lock satelites twice as fast (5 sec vs 10 sec), both on "All systems". Also schratches on the silver body are MUCH less visible than on the black.
The ONLY pro of 7x was the titanium body making it only 4 grams heavier then Fenix 7.
Stay away from sapphire!
So Gorilla Glas+Glass Screen Protector is still better visibility then Saphire Model? I own a scanwatch 2 as Daily driver, which has a Saphire Display by default and I never had issues reading the watchface.
I’d love to see more specific videos like this. GPS, charging speed, backlight settings and so on.
Lots to come! Thanks for the feedback!
Switched from 6 Pro Solar to 7X Solar. I don’t care about sapphire, because I had zero scratches on my 6 and Casio ProTrek I’ve used before Garmin. I was acctualy worry that I will scratch the Titanium bezel easier than steel one, cause it’s softer material. I don’t believe DLC is on the same level as it is in some real industry and instruments. Maybe I’m wrong, no hate there 🙂 Happy for those I’ve got ✌️
Nice! I'm clumsy so I need all of the protection I can get lol.
Don't apologize for nerdy videos. These have the most value as every other reviewer says the same obvious things. Keep it up :)
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I must make a small correction that "The same sapphire glass glare situation" doesn't apply to mechanical Omegas. Expensive mechanical watches usually have an anti reflective coatings on both sides of the sapphire glass, plus the glass itself is slightly curved. A dome shaped. The end result is that it rather looks like not having a glass at all than having a reflective glass. Overall I like your videos. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for sharing. I believe Garmin does utilize an anti-reflective coating but it doesn't seem as effective.
That would explain why I never had issues on my scanwatch 2.
I'm looking at buying a Garmin but at the end of the day I have to ask myself what is it I actually need compared to what I think I need. There is a vast difference!
I've got the Fenix 7s Sapphire Solar.
And damn its the best watch i ever used.
Lightweight, very good gps accuracy and all the other known stuff.
If you can afford go for the 7s sapphire.
Awesome! Glad you're enjoying it!
What is you battery life in Fenix 7s ?
I’d love to see a comparison between Fenix 6 pro, Epix base, Epix sapphire and the Fenix 7 lineup on GPS accuracy.
In terms of GPS accuracy they're all basically the same unless you use multi-frequency mode on the sapphire models. Even then, the difference isn't that noticeable unless you're in SUPER challenging situations. The GPS accuracy has been greatly improved accross the board even in basic modes. I'll have a deep dive video to follow up on this!
Since I had very good experience with my Fenix3 sapphire - still working only scratch marks on the bezel - I went straight for the Epix2 sapphire as a upgrade after 7 years.
Nice! Enjoy it!
After bellyaching for a while, I finally splurged and got the Epix 2. I got the base model with glass and silver mostly because that was all that is available now. I don't really think I need sapphire and I'll enjoy a slightly brighter screen. Thanks for all your videos
Enjoy it!
Have you put a screenprotector on it? How is the display doing now?
I took the plunge on a base 7s. Mainly because sapphire only comes with Solar which will take an additional €200,-/€300,- in Europe.
My personal experience with Gorilla Glass is that it is pretty durable. (at least enough for me) Also not all color combo’s are available in all variations so that may affect the actual decision as well. I personally are not a fan of black watches so the white/stainless color on the base 7s was spot on for me.
Nice! For sure, the colors play a big role in it. Thanks for sharing.
@@ChaseTheSummit I'd a very bad experience on the surface treatment on the fenix 6 bezel, the black coating scratches just looking... How it is on the black F7?
@angelodaniele641 did you go for a black fenix7? On my fenix5 I purposefully chose the silver bezel because you don't notice scratches. But now looking at an epix pro sapphire, I am kinda leaning towards the black dlc because I'm not sure if I will like the white case of the silver version...
I’m looking at buying a Fenix 7 sapphire watch for the Dual band GPS, Also tempted with the 955 now with the latest software upgrade and hopefully the bugs sorted out, but also tempted
by the Garmin oled display, so what to buy, by the way live all the geeky stuff in this video as that’s what makes deciding on a watch before you spend a lot of money 🥳
Thanks to this channel, I went out and bought the Garmin Epix (sapphire) and I think I cant go back to the normal screen after experiencing the AMOLED display. Its just gorgeous and so much easier to see and operate. Despite Chase's warning that if the sun does shine from behind and perpendicular to the watch face, the Epix is still extremely legible at least in my experience. This is def the one to go for. I wish they had a non dlc titanium grey model WITH sapphire and mutiband gps. I have no idea why they released 2 different Epix configurations...
lol its so true! Once you see the epix display it's hard to accept the Fenix display. What don't you like about the DLC?
@@ChaseTheSummit Thanks for the info Chase, much appreciated. But I am confused, looking at the Garmin website, it does not mention DLC for any of the available Epix models. As far as I'm concerned there's only normal titanium Epix's. What am I missing?
Great video. Wish I could have seen it before purchasing mine! I just got a F7 Solar Sapphire and the reflectiveness/glare is way too much for me. I'm returning it and going to the base solar model. I previously owned a F6 Solar and a F6 Ti Sapphire. The new F7 models with sapphire seem to have even worse clarity than the F6 sapphire models.
It seems like the addition of solar and touch has really affected the display's "base" contrast so when you add a sapphire lens on top of that it becomes pretty difficult to read. Like you say, outdoors is fine but the majority of the population spends most of their time indoors. You would think indoor visibility would be a high ranking priority for a smartwatch like this. Actually, I wish they'd done more Gorilla Glass models this generation.
FYI Garmin does change their product images for the Black DLC and Carbon Gray DLC variants, but the difference is pretty minimal. The only difference is the highlights on the bezel.
For sure, the addition of solar + the touch digitizer definitely has an effect on base contrast but I don't find it to be too distracting and compared to other brands it's still one of the better displays. Thanks for sharing!
@@ChaseTheSummitThis is the first Garmin watch that I have to specifically hold up to my eyes and find the right angle in order to read the display. Even on my F6 sapphire it was mostly readable at off angles.
@@guraygu you expressed all my concerns about F7 sapphire. I have F6 sapphire titanium and this is exactly what I was afraid of in the new F7 display. I've read this on many forums and it's terrible. Especially in situation where Garmin made almost all “full-charged” F7 models only in a bundle of sapphire-solar. And I like transflective screens, but not amoled. Dead end…
Go with Epix instead. Just got mine, fantastic screen and 8 days battery in my heavy use.
For me, the Amoled screen of the Epix looks childish / chinese smart-cheap-watch))
The fenix 7x sapphire solar watch has a major drawback, the screen in the menu as well as the messages that arrive when the phone is connected to the watch are set to black background and pale blue text (due to the poor finish of the sapphire glass, there is no white color, but pale blue color) and that text is hard to read. There is no option like on older models of garmin watches to change the background to be white or pale gray and the text to be black, which would be more legible. (Inverter color or display color setting). As soon as you sweat a little around your eyes during activities, you can't see clearly, or if you have a smaller (+ eye diopter) for reading, which most people over 40 have the same problem, you strain to read what is written on the screen. Otherwise, the watch is excellently made, but this problem with the screen and the lack of an option to set the background to be white or gray and the text to be black, which is more pleasant and legible for the eye, makes the garmin fenix 7x sapphire solar watch unusable for many people and if not documents in some software update the watch is a complete and utter failure. I found a lot of the same comments in several forums which says that the problem is not innocuous.
Very useful video please keep doing these. I think I would of been abit butthurt with the dullness of the saphire screens in low light on the fenix, I put off upgrading from my 745 when they first came out, still miss the brightness and low reflectivity of it but I like my fenix 7 solar and would of paid more for the titanium and extra storage/gps if you could get it in non sapphire.
Thanks man, great info, just the right amount of nerdiness for me👍👍
Thanks for the great comparison. Did you ever find out if Garmin apply an anti-reflective coating on their sapphire crystal? I'm really surprised at the reflections in your video, as even cheap wristwatches with sapphire + AR coating don't have this problem.
This was exactly the information I was looking for. Thanks for taking the time to focus on some things that aren't the "normal"
I'm considering a Fenix 7s SS coming from a 745. One thing I'm 'concerned' about is the brightness of the screen due to the sapphire glass, I like that when I go out of bed in the middle of the night, switching on the screen of the 745 works a bit like a flashlight which is very useful for me. Since the sapphire of this is less bright, does the screen still emits enough light to use it as flashlight when it's pitch dark? Thanks :)
Love my silver base model Epix. I’ll take the clearer display any day. Had a 6xpro with standard glass with no marks worn 24/7. The GPS is miles better without multiband anyway. Saved myself £120.
Thanks for sharing! The Gorilla Glass is perfectly acceptable... I just like the peace of mind of sapphire. Glad you're enjoying the Epix! And yes, the GPS is so much better in basically every mode!
I too went with the base epix. For me the base had everything I needed and imo just looked better.
Hello. Do you wear a screen protector on your watch? Thanks!
@@martin.kuchar1 I don't have one on mine. The sapphire would be an extra piece of mind but I feel the raised bezel will do a pretty good job of making sure things don't come in contact with the screen. We'll see over time though
I think that 90% of users do not need sapphire glass.
Is Gorilla Glas+Screen protector still the Same readability or is it worse/Same as Saphire?
Hey bro, do I need a screen protector for my epix pro sapphire glass? It won’t be have any scratch in sapphire glass or it may have chance?
I love how Garmin promised 1-3 day shipping to many customers and then confirmed their orders with 5-8 weeks. Lovely
I don't think it was in their control. The amount of orders that came in exceeded their supply so they had to back order some folks unfortunately. On the upside you're free to cancel your order and buy from another store. I've noticed that various retailers started to get them in stock like PlayBetter (links in description), and even REI local stores.
@@ChaseTheSummit I am looking at the fenix 7X Sapphire Solar (Mineral Blue DLC Titanium/Whitestone). 3-4 weeks backorder on Play Better. 5-8 weeks backorder on the Garmin site.
@@ChaseTheSummit well. Then Garmin shouldn’t promise
do you think that the advantages of 7 sapphire are able to counteract the large deficit of visibility? I notice that the visibility of the gorilla glass is much higher. what do you think about it?
Personally the difference isn't that big of a deal. The camera makes it more dramatic. I'd go sapphire for myself because I've scratched lots of watches and I don't 100% trust the Gorilla Glass. Plus, if you add a screen protector the visibility is about the same due to the additional layer. But, that's just me.
@@ChaseTheSummit do you also have experience regarding the greater resistance of the dlc-coated ring nut? in my opinion it is easier to scratch the bezel than the glass, don't you think? However, I have both on my arm and at home I notice the difference a lot, I have to evaluate well. thanks for your help.
The black bezel is a dealbreaker for me. That thing will look worn in no time when the silver shines trough. I cannot understand the logic of this.
Thanks for the great review. Been having a hard time which model of the 7 to go for. Well bit the bullet and went for the Sapphire Solar… After buying the base model and returning it! happy I did or else I’d have always that niggling feeling … I should have got the best one! Anyway you made my mind up! Thanks
Can’t wait to get my fénix 7x sapphire solar. Upgrading from a fénix 3 hr 6 years old!
Awesome! That's a huge upgrade!
I have a sapphire screen on my 6 year old fénix 3 hr and it doesn’t have any scratches on the screen. It really is incredible, I bump it all the time at work. Definitely worth the hundred dollar upgrade.
Same here, upgrading form fenix 3 (w/o HR)
I'm going to buy one of these watches but it's hard to make a choice between epix sapphire and fenix 7x sapphire!
It seems most are struggling with the same decision!
Well, this video just convinced me to order the F7X Sapphire. Thanks Dave! I hope you have a couch for me to crash in, 'cause I'm pretty sure that my wife is considering kicking out of the house, eheheh.
Glad it helped! Tell your wife that it's an investment for your "health" that always sounds better than buying something shiny 😉
Hi, did you (or anyone) try adding a screen protector on the solar non-sapphire 7x?
I want to know if it would impact the solar charging or the touch screen response.
Thanks.
9:27 It’s in this video 👍
@@ChaseTheSummit thanks. Any thoughts about the solar charging?
My F6xPro recently had a failed barometer/altimeter sensor. Was offered either refurbished F7x Sapphire Solar for $230 or 20% F7xPro Sapphire Solar. I use an HRM Pro for the majority of workouts so the updated HR sensor doesn’t really matter much. Is there enough of a difference between the 2 to justify the difference in cost?
The Pro model is a year newer so you'd probably get more feature updates longer if that means anything to you. You also get the more accurate Gen 5 heart rate sensor along with wrist temperature sensing and ECG functions. Other than that, they're very similar.
If they did an "Epix" S model I would consider it. Garmin watches are just too clunky beyond the S format for normal sized people.
That would be neat! I think I'd actually prefer a Forerunner 955 OLED model.
🔴 Spoiler alert : Buy the Sapphire version !
Basically!
Chase the Summit The Fenix 6 pro sapphire is priced $529 here in France. I'm torn))
Thanks.. helped me decide on sapphire. Hesitant due to glare at first.
I am debating between the Sapphire and Steel (Base) model Epix. I really prefer the look of the steel base model. I don't mind having gorilla glass, and the smaller storage isn't a huge deal for me. My worry is not having multi band GPS. Have you noticed a big difference in accuracy between having multiband GPS and not?
GPS on the non-sapphire models is still quite good. Better than the older Fenix 6 / Forerunner 945 models.
The one thing I already don't like able I my new Fenix 7x Sapphire Solar compared to my 6 Pro is the darker screen. I knew it was going to be darker, but it's nearly unviewable in anything less than direct sunlight without activating the backlight. I've only had it for a day now, mind you, but it's something that irritates me every time I try quickly glancing at the time.
Yeah, if you're used to something like an apple watch the MIP display is hard to adapt to! Hopefully you adjust and learn to like it!
Did you get used to darker screen of sapphire?
Excellent analysis, thanks you. It was so professional.
Thanks!
Really appreciate your time and skills making these videos. This helped me decide between The Epix 2 Sapphire and the Felix 7X Sapphire. Great content!
Glad I could help!
@L G yes!
Which one has better visibility - Sapphire or Gorilla Glass + screen protector?
They're basically the same but it depends on the quality of your screen protector. One thing I hate about protectors is that they tend to "smudge" and don't shed dust/water while Sapphire beads up and stays pretty clean.
Everyone does understand that if you drop a Sapphire lense on a hard service like a rock or a tile floor it will probably shatter right? Don’t ask me how i know
Yes, it's a stiffer material so it's more prone to shatter but it takes a pretty intense impact to shatter such a small lens. I suspect Gorilla glass would also shatter in the same situation. I'll take the trade off for scratch resistance but your mileage may vary!
I wish you could get an Epix with stainless steel and sapphire.
That would be nice. I do like the look of the steel epix!
Great vid. I’m still happy with my fenix 6 and don’t want to get yelled at again for my purchasing habits. Hahaha 🤣
lol, I feel that!
you made a mistake you said the sapphire models have a titanium case which they don't the case is polymer only top and bottom are titanium.
I meant the back plate/bezel. The actual case will always ben polymer on the Fenix. Sorry for the confusion.
@@ChaseTheSummit that's okay i thought you didn't know
I'll be upgrading from a Fenix 3 Sapphire, but am struggling to decide between the Fenix 7 Sapphire and the Epix Sapphire. Can anyone tell me the level of improvement in the screen quality from the Fenix 3 to the 7? I'd like the battery life of the Fenix so if the screen is a decent upgrade on my 3 it's probably going to be good enough. Thanks!
The screen is similar between 7 and 3. The 7 is a bit larger and has a higher resolution but the underlying technology hasn't changed in the transflective MIP displays. If you're happy with the F3 display the F7 will be a marginal improvement. The Epix on the other hand is a whole different animal with the AMOLED.
@@ChaseTheSummit thanks very informative. I’m currently thinking maybe the 7 Sapphire. The Epix battery life is OK but if I want to keep the watch a number of years it’ll likely degrade over time, as has happened with my 3. Your comments on the Sapphire glass are spot on, my 3 Sapphire is really beat-up but the screen is still perfect so I’m definitely going that route.
I bought the 7x sapphire solar and I love it so much! Very good investment
Great to hear!
When I spoke to Garmin watch was told not to install a screen protector on the solar models because it affects the efficiency of the solar.
That's what they say. In practice I haven't seen a negative effect with a protector.
Can you compare the accuracy of the multi-bands GPS with the “normal” one?
I have a deep dive on this coming. In short, all of the GPS modes are improved from the Fenix 6 to 7. The multi-band mode is the most accurate but only in very challenging situations.
Thanks man, love the video like this.
Liked and subscribed!
Awesome, thank you!
I just want a sapphire version of the silver / gray combo. Or the case entirely made of the same material. ( like the $2000 Marq 😢)
I had the fenix 3 and 5 in gorilla. I’ve use the 5 for 5? 6 years? I have a gnarly scratch in it, but I didn’t have a screen protector on it. The next watch I get, considering I will use it for 5+ years I will get the sapphire. Thanks for the content.
Sapphire glass is more brittle and more sensitive to impacts.
Correct, but I think the benefits of being scratch resistant outweigh the cons of being brittle since these lenses are so small it would be very hard to crack.
The clearest of them all is the non solar plain steel bezel Fenix 7 with Gorilla glass.
Yep!
Great video!! you answered my screen protector questions, I was just thinking about that since the watch is $1000+ sapphire edition Thanks!
Would you recommend the sapphire model for people who work in rough environments like a mechanical workshop? I need a smart watch that can take some abuse because the workshop is taking a toll on my phone
The best review for now , I got the answers, 6x solar pro is doing great 👍 , thanks
Glad it helped!
Thanks for the great comparisons. I’m surprised the reflectivity of sapphire doesn’t bug you more, because when I watch your side by sides I see a vast difference in readability of the screens. To me it’s a dealbreaker and makes sapphire not worth it, but I don’t usually scratch my screens either (knock on wood)
I think it looks a little more dramatic on camera. In person it just means tilting your wrist at a very slight angle and both of them look similar. It takes some getting used to. I just like the durability because I'm clumsy lol.
@John Brubaker I’m 100% with you. I had a Fenix 7 Sapphire Solar delivered to me today and the glare is just awful IMO. I had my 6 Pro for a while and it was gorilla glass. I didn’t have any issues with scratching luckily and the difference is HUGE on legibility.
I bouught on Black friday standard f7 for 399 . And for 3€ screen protector . Yes black or carbon grey looks better and more "dirty" or have can I explain it , than standard silver . Silver version looks more like city watches and they have more elegance + with green or khaky nato stap they look amazing .
Killer deal!
@@ChaseTheSummit Yes, it was worth it for me to wait another year, not to buy the 7 right away, and to keep the 5 plus as long as they still worked.
My last question! If you were to choose for race metrics would you go with the 955 or the Fenix 7? Thanks in advance for your attention!
Good video. I have a sapphire 6 and gorilla 6x gorilla glass. Eyes might be getting older, but between the how reflective sapphire is, and the dimming quality, I find it impossible to read in anything but outdoor, full sun with no reflections. Don't think the video really showed how bad it is in use.
It's certainly a personal decision. I've gotten used to it but I could see it being frustrating with vision problems.
I've never had a Sapphire fenix before. I love how the bare titanium / chestnut leather Sapphire look, but if the screen is that bad I guess I'm better off with the base model and just change the strap to leather. Any thoughts? I am really scared of how the Sapphire will impact the display.
On the other hand, I was also looking at the epix but I am concerned with the screen burn issue.
I had similar thoughts, so I went for the "base model" slate grey 7x solar and got the leather band separately. These look great together, but please note that the leather band is not the best for sports!
Yesterday I decided to go for fenix 7 pro solar instead of sapphire solar, and ordered it. Tech wise I get the same for more less money (the solar only wass in sale) and better legibility. And the additional orange button 😉. I'm still happy with my decision, even after seeing this video.
I added a screen protector to my Fenix 7s Solar, and it made zero difference to the touch display or solar feature. Both work exactly the same.
My god that Epix screen looks good.
It's pretty amazing!
hey, thanks for this comparison! Is this still valid for the newer pro-Versions?
I see that in the sapphire versions, the colors appear more muted. It looks darker with less vibrancy. Perhaps it's due to the crystal or the anti-reflective coating they apply. What are your thoughts on that?
I'm not sure which one to choose between the Fenix 7x or the epix . The epix does look nice but super artificial and wonder if it is actually too bright. The fenix 7x has to have solar which doesn't look all that nice personally. I was thinking for that reason to maybe go with the tactix standard edition as it doesn't have solar and same price.
Firstly many thanks for all the nice videos and comparisons, much appreciated. Having that said, I think this scratch proof discussion is somehow exaggerated. I've had basically plastic sport watches for the last 12 years without any issues. At least I would not accept worse transparency in favour of scratch proofness, because that affects your daily life much more. I mean, in the worst case you would just have the glass replaced and then it's like new again.
Thanks for sharing. Unfortunately I've scratched quite a few Garmins that weren't sapphire. They use a Gorilla Glass DX which has an anti-reflective coating that's quite easy to damage and show scratches. A screen protector is a good way to protect this glass but I just prefer to get Sapphire and not worry about it.
On the note about having the glass replaced: I don't think Garmin offers this.
Thanks for watching!
It's not just a matter of clarity vs scratch resistance. In order to get certain specs like the 32G storage and flashlight, your only choice is the sapphire glass.
Personally, I'd prefer to have the Epix and not worry about screen brightness, but since I want 51mm I'm going with the 7X SS.
I personally think that in direct sunlight, Garmin should increase the luminosity by an extra 200-300 nits for the epix pro models, specially the sapphire models. Just an extra boost in direct sunlight would help sometimes.
(Have a epix pro gen 2 titanium grey 47).
Great video, thank Sir
My Rolex has a ton of AR coating and seems to make it crystal clear - I wonder if they are using any coat to fix that
That was very informative and helpful, thank you!
Very surprised that the haze doesn't bother you as much. Just purchased the base model Epix 2 based on your video.
There is a big chunk of guys who just love the steel epix look including myself. And yes, one hundred doesn't really matter when you spend such a load of money for a toy basically
I wish they made a "raw titanium" sapphire version that looked like the steel one. It's pretty slick with that silver bezel.
@@ChaseTheSummit they do for the Fenix 7
@@Fozzee.1970 Yep, but not for Epix
I *think* I have an Epix coming today. So fast Garmin! 💨 As for the saphphire, I always thought it must be a lot more expensive but I'm not 100% sure that's true. I'm also thinking that the cloudy sapphire might be less of an issue with the AMOLED. Kind of looks like that's the case, right? Also, how do you end up with 9 Fenix series watches and I can't even get one? 🤦♂️ Keep up the good work buddy!
For sure, the cloudiness of the sapphire is barely noticeable on the Epix due to the crazy bright AMOLED display. It's more noticeable on Fenix 7. Don't worry, most of the units I've seen were loaners or other peoples watches! Looking forward to your take on the Epix!
03:13 The Slate Gray 7x got a red framed power button, the black DLC Version got a black framed power button. 😬
I was referring to the color of the black/gray. They both look the same to my eye but they're called different shades on the website.
heya anyone: what are basic differences from VIVO, FM, FENIX, INSTINCT etc? Garmin has way too many models.
Long story short Vivo / Venu = Wellness, Fenix = Flagship, Forerunner = running, Instinct = hiking/trekking/climbing
Hi! I would like to congratulate you for the excellent video. I am researching 2 watch models just for running. If money was no object, would you go for the Garmin 255 or the Garmin phoenix 7? Best regards alexander
If money was no object? Fenix for sure.
Nice video, thank you for information
My only complaint with the Fenix 7 is the accuracy of the pulse oximeter. How can Garmin include such a flaw pulse ox in 2022.....
Truth is just about all wrist worn SpO2 devices aren't very accurate. It's not a great spot on the human body for a sensor like that. If you stay VERY still and have a light colored skin you can get reasonably close results. That said, it's not meant to be used as a medical device but more for altitude acclimatization.
Good video. Glad you took the watches into direct sunlight. SOmething I've been concerned about with smartwatches in general....why I don't yet own one (was sonsidinger hte Samsung Galaxy watch....maybe a Garmin Epix G2...). ..
Do these watches hae an "atto brightness" adjust feature? Auto upping the brightness when outside midday after lunch when the sun is usually the most intense? So easy to washout a display. Phone or smartwatch...if the brightness isnt nearly maxed out....
The OLED models do have a form of auto-brightness the transflective ones do not.
Does the Epix 2 take a long GPS track to follow easily. Like 200k etc. Or does it say to many points, like many watches and compress the track etc?
It's limited to 10,000 points I think. But Garmin Connect will automatically optimize your tracks when you import them.
Wish the Fenix 7 came in the dark bronze titanium color or even if the Epix came in that color. Feel that I'm giving up too much battery life and screen real estate if I got the 7s. I have the SS Epix and Fenix 6x. Also really wish the 7 and Epix came with the speaker and mic. Kind of lame of Garmin to leave that out on such a flagship device.
I was surprised there was no speaker/mic but I wonder if we'll see that on a "plus" model or something.
Investment? In a smartwatch? That's hilarious! LMAO! 🤣
$1000 bucks certainly feels like an investment doesn't it?
Great video on a topic that's not covered much if at all!
Thanks Ryan!
The 16 vs 32 gig memory that’s only on the flagship watch’s is a gig issue and your permanently shortchanging your self if maps and onboard music is your thing
I think it depends on what you intend to store on the watch. I don't think 16G would be a huge issue for me but I typically only sync a handful of songs and podcasts over. Thanks for watching!
I'm assuming with all the Fenix 7 shots here, the backlight it turned off?
For the most part yes.
Love your videos! Quick question:
Is the black color of the Epix and Fenix DLC different shades? My Epix is more gunmetal, my Fenix DLC is very black. Hard to tell from your videos but I noticed it right away when I unboxed them Epix.
Thanks!
There's "black" and there's "carbon gray". They're very similar but with subtle differences.
Hi, really like your videos. Especially the detail you put into. Regarding the EPIX Screen comparison there is one thing that puzzles me :-). ua-cam.com/video/SCPKxgJoXkA/v-deo.html Yeah indeed the epix sapphire looks more foggy but the screens on the watches show different batterie life expectations. Epix Sapphire 11d vs. Epis Gorilla Glas 4d and the gorilla glas has more percentage. Could it be that the brightness on the sapphire is not 100%? Or has the gorllia glas the always on mode active?
That's just because the batteries weren't at the same level. Both have the same battery life.
Why nobody compares a gorilla with a screen protector on vs saphire at reflections. Things change a lot with protector on.
For sure, they look pretty similar once you add a protector.
This was great to watch in the sense that it confirms to me spending that extra cash for the solar sapphire was worth it
I am wondering ... Is there any fluidity or responsivness difference betwean base and sapphire models (fenix 7 / epix g2)? Is there same processors/chipset inside the base and sapphire models?
Nope, they're identical in terms of how responsive they are.
...for a second I though you were going to bring out those Mohs peaks and start scratching them....
lol, maybe when I hit 10 million subs I can afford to destroy some Fenix's
Very nice comparison ! Just coming by but keep up with the good work and i wish you the best :-)
Would you say it is worth upgrading a 945 non LTE to the 7xSS?
It depends, the 945 has better battery life. The Fenix 7s has more features and a smaller form factor along with more accurate GPS and heart rate sensors. What do you value more?
Used your link for the 7. After dealing with my 4 year old fenix 5X+ with erroded charging contacts. Its time i upgraded! Still a great watch but i decided dont need amoled screen or sapphire and plus the bulkiness im not into as much now lol. Thanks! 🙏
The 5X+ was and still is a good one! But the 7 is a big upgrade. Enjoy!
The TLDR did hurt your retention a little bit, but earned a like and a comment! Thanks for the vid 😊
Lol, gotta test the waters!
Is there any "add-on" to raise the bezel or put another cover over it and retain the button pushing? It would be nice if these were more like the g-shocks in this area.
Lots of "bezel protectors" on Amazon but I've heard mixed feelings on these in terms of how they look and some that mess with GPS accuracy.
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If you put a screen protector on normal glass I suppose that maybe the combination of the protector and the normal glass will transmit less light than a sapphire glass.
Yep, they look pretty similar once you add a screen protector.
Do you think the epix amoled display would burn out or have issues?
I haven't seen any reports of issues yet or had issues with my own. These displays have been around for a while so hopefully they've dialed them in.