This Stops Muscle Growth More Than Lack of Protein Intake (new study)

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  • @ThomasDeLauerOfficial
    @ThomasDeLauerOfficial  26 днів тому +8

    Here’s my newest FREE Meal Plan (High Protein Mediterranean with some Intermittent Fasting)- thomasdelauer.com/MediterraneanFasting/ Please enjoy it as a thank-you for subscribing to my channel and my newsletter!

    • @NoIdea8829
      @NoIdea8829 25 днів тому +2

      I am not going to give you my email because you will sell it. Not my first rodeo with you.

    • @supersoundset
      @supersoundset 18 днів тому

      @@NoIdea8829that’s a pretty scummy thing to do if true. Please enjoy the spam 😢

  • @aniketbisht2823
    @aniketbisht2823 26 днів тому +92

    Rodent be like : "You don't know me son!". "Whose gonna carry the boats?".

  • @glumberty1
    @glumberty1 26 днів тому +254

    I'm imagining rats with tiny benches and barbells doing bench presses in an aquarium in a lab.

    • @Bizzare77777
      @Bizzare77777 26 днів тому

    • @joeanderson5841
      @joeanderson5841 26 днів тому +9

      HURRY! Get to the Cheddar!

    • @MissGimpsAlot
      @MissGimpsAlot 26 днів тому +7

      Did you ever see that old video of the mouse stuck in a trap so it starts bench pressing it? 😆

    • @jadedoptimist6364
      @jadedoptimist6364 26 днів тому +2

      Yep, that would be an employee gym at the FBI.

    • @iblockpuncheswithmyface1490
      @iblockpuncheswithmyface1490 26 днів тому

      Shoelace battle ropes. Bubblegum Atlas stones. Fishing line jump ropes.

  • @WireHedd
    @WireHedd 26 днів тому +78

    sets to failure 2x week per body part and either calisthenics or straight cardio 3x week. 200g of protein a day and at 57 I'm feeling better than I did 10 years ago but I was in awful shape back then. Nowadays it's a lot different. Thanks Thomas.

    • @skillz78
      @skillz78 25 днів тому +3

      Great job man!

    • @indigo7387
      @indigo7387 25 днів тому +1

      No steroids ever? Even just trt

    • @fender1000100
      @fender1000100 24 дні тому +2

      200 grams is a waste of money. I'm 60 and never eat more than 100 grams of protein. And am 190lbs solid at 5 7". The industry LIES to you. Because its big business. Muscles growth is so slow. You don't put on more than 10 pounds a year as a natural. That's means you only need 5 grams of protein over a normal person who needs 50. So 100 is more than enough.

    • @WireHedd
      @WireHedd 24 дні тому +3

      @@fender1000100 Yeah, whatever. You do you and I'll continue to stay with what works for me. My metabolism doesn't seem to be concerned with your opinion so have a nice day. BTW, 6', 196lbs, 11@BF and been doing this off and on for 40 years so I think I got this for myself thanks.

    • @fender1000100
      @fender1000100 24 дні тому

      @@WireHedd
      I know you will protein addiction is REAL. But pointless.

  • @HumanLikeMan
    @HumanLikeMan 20 днів тому +8

    62 year old here, been training my whole life. What I determined to work the best is: kneesovertoes stretching 10min, followed by Primal / Animal flow 10 min, HIIT Dumbbell Workout 10 min. Do this twice a week with rest day in between. Then once a week I lift heavy, full body 1 hour workout. Best shape of my life, play hockey with guys 20-30 years younger and I'm one of the best on the ice.

    • @thisoneguy3935
      @thisoneguy3935 20 днів тому +1

      for you

    • @seanolivas9148
      @seanolivas9148 10 днів тому

      Stretches are a must when playing hockey and lifting. Seems like you have a good routine. Gotta love HIIT from hockey, beats raising the treadmill to level 10.
      Hockey players i see that dont lift break more bones too. (Anecdotal but decent sample size)

  • @NoahHornberger
    @NoahHornberger 25 днів тому +7

    as a 39 year old male, 2 full body strength workouts per week is working great. I get 2-3 days rest between workouts on average. I've added 15 lbs of muscle in a year and increased all my strength pr's: deadlifted 445 yesterday. Going heavy and resting properly has taught me a lot about how my body prefers to work! For strength, I am noticing a significant lift in performance with 3 days of rest as opposed to 2. With only 1 day of rest I will almost never be stronger on any lift. So 3 days of rest would be like working out on Monday and Friday, with 2 days of rest over the weekend.

  • @helenahandkart1857
    @helenahandkart1857 25 днів тому +2

    It IS fascinating! & thank you for the take-aways. 👍

  • @andrewzach1921
    @andrewzach1921 26 днів тому +6

    Commenting for the algorithm, thanks for the video Thomas

  • @tomjones2348
    @tomjones2348 20 днів тому

    Thank you, Thomas! I've learned a great deal from watching your channel...and that knowledge has improved my understanding of how to effectively train.

  • @oohwha
    @oohwha 25 днів тому +2

    This may be your best training-related video yet! And that's saying A LOT! Speaking from personal experience, all of this data tracks 100% with what I've seen from my own body in the last 7 years. 7 to 3 years ago I spent a lot of time training endurance and working on nutrition to fix my gut (it wasn't broken but it could DO BETTER). Once I had my body fat percentage just below 10%, I started about 2-3 years ago focusing more on things like rest and recovery, and less on things like endurance training.
    The "recomposition" phase 3-7 years ago was all about working out 6 or 7 days per week with higher reps... but the plateau effect was apparent, just as this video states. The last 2 years have been about slowly increasing mass (trying to trickle upwards toward 12% body fat, possibly as high as 15%?) while doing full body workouts 2 days a week, possibly 3.
    The results have been stellar. Deadlift and Flat Barbell Bench Press days are consistently improving. Same for Squats and Incline Dumbbell Press days. Spending nights at home after work 2 or 3 days a week have been stellar for recovery and mental health/stress levels. It's all kinds of wins!
    Great video here, great info... spot on!

  • @arkdova2710
    @arkdova2710 21 день тому

    It's incredible how I learned so many new things regarding muscle building, but in the big picture, nothing new at the same time.
    Still a very fascinating study breakdown, thanks! 👍

  • @IdeoDLaw
    @IdeoDLaw 26 днів тому +18

    I think the sweet spot are 48 rest for light training or small muscle groups and 72 for large groups or heavy load

    • @cagehunt5531
      @cagehunt5531 25 днів тому

      I dont think you are fit after 3 days if you do 10 -12 sets on chest after 3 days. I think 5 days.

    • @robbertag808
      @robbertag808 25 днів тому

      @@cagehunt5531 I do chest every 4 days. For years.

    • @wintertime331
      @wintertime331 21 день тому

      @IdeoDLaw- I think you’re right! ( actually bang on ! )👍

    • @IdeoDLaw
      @IdeoDLaw 21 день тому

      @@cagehunt5531 then reduce the Volumen and intensity and up the frequenz or work on your recovery. i personally can train the same muscle group for 12 Sets every 4th day

  • @pramujisinggihriyanto6901
    @pramujisinggihriyanto6901 17 днів тому

    Love your content on best duration to build muscle....

  • @Joseldevivo
    @Joseldevivo 18 днів тому +2

    Mentzer was right all along. Even 50 years later. The guy was a genius.

  • @njdnjdnjd
    @njdnjdnjd 25 днів тому +1

    Interested if you have thoughts about strength training for marathon training, with a 3:30 to sub 3 time goal. What would be the ideal strength routine and frequency. Thx 🙏

  • @user-zf8yl1fq7g
    @user-zf8yl1fq7g 26 днів тому +2

    Michael Kamalu aka Dr Gains shared research that in doing dumbbell BP resting at the bottom for 20 seconds between each rep increased strength gains by 60%. The number of reps was 4 in the study.

  • @ideasaboutthings8857
    @ideasaboutthings8857 24 дні тому

    great vid. thanks.

  • @ChrimsonChin
    @ChrimsonChin 26 днів тому +4

    Great video Tom

    • @BR525
      @BR525 14 днів тому

      Crimson chin lol

  • @peterm.souzajr.2112
    @peterm.souzajr.2112 25 днів тому

    thank you, this one was really helpful. gives me more to think about, i typically dont give myself enough recovery time because i just never knew how much was enough. I saw great results with Deadlifting 5X a week, and doing nothing else. for the next few months I will try weights 3X a week and cardio 3X a week (alternate days)

  • @aaronhenderson84
    @aaronhenderson84 26 днів тому +3

    you earned my sub with this video.
    can't wait to see if they do human trials with something similar to this (besides the ones they already did years ago).
    would also be good to see if they could add a 144 hour rest group (or longer) to see if there's actually a point where muscle gains would diminish from not training often enough.

  • @420Pugilist
    @420Pugilist 26 днів тому +3

    Great stuff Thomas! Hey, would love to hear your ideas on how a boxer that wants to gain a little muscle mass to go up a weght class or two without detriment to fast twitch fibre & what type of diet to do it on.

  • @daniellesmith00
    @daniellesmith00 26 днів тому +3

    Hi Thomas,
    I just recently discovered your channel. Thank you for providing Great info!
    I was wondering if you would kindly do a video on Vegan Keto Intermittent Fasting including how to calculate macros. I'm vegan and have been for years. I have been incorporating intermittent fasting, I'm interested in possibly cycling with keto, but have no idea how to calculate the macros.
    I've seen videos where keto people say it's ok to have bullet proof coffee, but then I saw your video that says it actually does break the fast. (So, that told me that my fasting wasn't a true fast.) :-( How could I make my coffee taste decent without it just being black? ...blah! I don't need it sweet, but some kind of something to smooth it out.
    Thanks,
    Daniella

    • @ArticulateArena
      @ArticulateArena 26 днів тому +1

      I'll do it for him. it's easy!!!
      Eat meat and animal fat. eat when you're hungry and do 16 hour fast 1 -2 a week and 1-3 day fast once a month.
      there's no reason to do vegan anything unless you're trying to hurt yourself.

  • @chrisdonnell2575
    @chrisdonnell2575 25 днів тому +3

    Long video for what most of us are already doing. REST 2+ days between workouts. I do chest/shoulders/triceps two days later back/legs/biceps work every muscle twice a week and growing and getting stronger. Eat well + Sleep.

  • @BRIANTHEBRIGHT
    @BRIANTHEBRIGHT 26 днів тому +6

    What if you lift different body part areas every day and 48hr rest of the area before you lift with it again? Also 40 min of zone 2 cardio daily prior to lifting. Sauna everyday after reduce inflammation. Is this helping me or hurting me??? 🤔

  • @Bubba-it4yf
    @Bubba-it4yf 19 днів тому

    Great video

  • @lemonwatersalt
    @lemonwatersalt 26 днів тому +51

    It's real simple folks, if say you do chest on Monday, wait until Thursday or Friday to do chest again, and eat carbs and protein to grow. Food and recovery days are what's needed big time.

    • @brawndothethirstmutilator9848
      @brawndothethirstmutilator9848 26 днів тому +4

      Your “simple” advice only applies to someone following a traditional bodybuilding split. A large percentage of people do not. When I “hit my pecs” it’s because I’m training on gymnastic rings, paralettes, or crawling.
      Adequate nutrition and recovery are important to an active lifestyle though.

    • @gregthomas6637
      @gregthomas6637 26 днів тому +5

      Problem with this from Monday to Thursday you will hit another muscle group that means you will increase inflammation ! The problem is not just "hit the actual muscle group every 72hrs", the real problem is in that 72 hrs you will hit another muscle group means more inflammation will in your system means in the long term WAY LESS recovery.

    • @donaldkasper8346
      @donaldkasper8346 26 днів тому +4

      I find I need a day off to two days off for bench, but I need three days off for deadlifting. Deadlifting is way more tiring that chest exercises of any kind. That time off is for going to max wts ability or trying a new max.

    • @donaldkasper8346
      @donaldkasper8346 26 днів тому

      Wednesday is enough. Thursday for deadlifts.

    • @rgb2284
      @rgb2284 25 днів тому +3

      Yo don’t know shit 😂

  • @Faceformer
    @Faceformer 26 днів тому +1

    SUPER - ALWAYS UPTODATE - THANKS !!!!!!!!

  • @bgrimlan
    @bgrimlan 26 днів тому +13

    Sooo... is it 72 hours per muscle group or 72 hours period? Let's say I do upper on Mondays and Fridays and I do lower on Tuesdays and Saturdays. Will I be breaking the "rule" in between Mondays/Tuesdays and Fridays/Saturdays since it's only 24 hours (even though I am not working out the same muscles)?

    • @USA2Brazil
      @USA2Brazil 7 днів тому

      Yes buy that's mice with a much shorter lifespan, I wonder if that's a factor?

  • @vikingh3008
    @vikingh3008 25 днів тому +2

    Over training is mainly down to under eating and/or wrong training split,
    Full body training is only good for completely novices and we will only use that for conditioning clients completely new to strength training for the first 4 weeks or so, then we start splitting workouts into specific body parts etc,
    Also big difference between sarcoplasmic hypertrophy and myofibrillar hypertrophy regarding recovery time, so sets/repetitions plays a huge part in time for recovery needed between workouts, but this is at a level most pt’s/coaches will never truly understand, and scientists working with rodents certainly won’t understand,

  • @RachelRichards
    @RachelRichards 25 днів тому +6

    It takes 24 hours for me to be sore! 72 hours at least between lower body strength training. But I'm still a newbie. The cool thing is that ever since tracking my macros and eating around 150 grams of protein a day, I recover so quickly. This is all just so cool. Thanks Thomas!

    • @martinepeters9891
      @martinepeters9891 25 днів тому +1

      Dr. HUBERMAN trains legs once a week, torso once a week and then the third workout just arms. He looks good.

  • @tomcorridan5236
    @tomcorridan5236 26 днів тому +3

    Fantastic Information..ty

  • @Inkachu
    @Inkachu 18 днів тому

    So is the desired 72hr break for any additional work out or just on the muscles you hit? I.e. if you do your upper sets on monday to failure, is it undesirable to do lowers set the next day? I see some saying the 72 hours of desired rest only applies to the muscles you worked out, but i see others saying overall inflammation is the issue and you should even separate upper from lower by 72 hours.
    Im not eloquent, so i hope i effectively described my question. Thanks in advance, i learn a lot of perspectives reading all of your comments. 🍻

  • @MarilynOcean1
    @MarilynOcean1 26 днів тому +58

    For some of our simple minded individuals, we just wanna know what to do. I personally get lost in the weeds of all the information that you give. Maybe if you give what it takes to get results first and then the scientific background it would be easier to watch and learn from you.

    • @user-pn9un3dc8y
      @user-pn9un3dc8y 26 днів тому +26

      Push moderately heavy stuff 2-3 times a week, do a form of cardio 2x a week and if you’re feeling cute, sprint 1-2 a week, or do a hiit. Drink more water than you think you need, eat at around maintenance, don’t stray too far off unless you’re going to fast. Do a dry fast once in a while, maybe couple times a month. Sleep. Be grateful. Win.

    • @SkyKing1717
      @SkyKing1717 26 днів тому +8

      Thomas mainly speaks to those who are fluent in Bro Science. Those who have been working out for awhile, like he has, and want to learn how to tweak their nutrition to get the best results. He reads a lot on the latest scientific research studies regarding nutrition and then tries to break them down into layman's language for everyone to understand. He actually does a pretty good job of it.
      I think it helps that he first explains the mechanisms and the reasons why something he read in a research study may work. One shouldn't just blindly take someone else's word on what nutrition advice to follow, but should get at least some background as to why. Hence, Thomas will include studies in his talks indicating why this or that, may or may not, work. He may also mention caveats that should be noted before you decide to follow any advice he may suggest according to the studies he's read.

    • @sm5304
      @sm5304 26 днів тому +8

      If he does that, people won't watch the video till the end. I don't like it when creators drag their content, but this is the reason.

    • @simonmcintosh6565
      @simonmcintosh6565 26 днів тому +2

      you pay with your attention and time for the information. Thats the exchange.

    • @AugmentedDictatorGames
      @AugmentedDictatorGames 25 днів тому

      You need to understand why something works otherwise you can end up doing it wrong and in the case of supplements you can also injure yourself.

  • @dalea4350
    @dalea4350 25 днів тому

    This goes along with my best workout progress ever. Saturdays I would do extreme heavy legs, Sundays I would do extreme heavy upper body. I would not workout again until Wednesday, the center of the week. On this day I would do my entire body, but half the weight but double the reps. My gains were incredible

  • @JayRizzyMusic
    @JayRizzyMusic 19 днів тому

    Hey Thomas, would this affect combat sports athletes in the same way? More specifically with training double days

  • @oakmillsconstruct
    @oakmillsconstruct 24 дні тому

    This is interesting for sure!

  • @adji69
    @adji69 26 днів тому +1

    I use to work nights ans go to the gym in the day, use to train 3 weeks out the 4 and rest for the week. Always felt bigger and stronger after that week off. Now I'm older, I try and listen to my body more now, if I need a rest I will.

  • @heartshunter89
    @heartshunter89 26 днів тому +18

    what the research missed is that the time the 8 hour training group take a break of full recovery around more than 72 hours they will exceed the other 2 groups in both strength and hypertrophy, but, on one condition depends on their training during the sessions they are doing every 8 hours and how much volume and load they have. And thats called Frequency Training, thats why they have both high MTOR and AMPK. I tested this myself on me and on my clients and my athletes. P.S it always depends.

    • @natachaunelus
      @natachaunelus 26 днів тому +1

      Did they look at the difference between men and women?

    • @xXJeReMiAhXx99
      @xXJeReMiAhXx99 26 днів тому

      ​@@natachaunelusnope

    • @xXJeReMiAhXx99
      @xXJeReMiAhXx99 26 днів тому +2

      Hey for how long did you do the frequency/overtraining, how many days or weeks before break?

    • @abaddonmorningstar8871
      @abaddonmorningstar8871 16 днів тому

      Can't have both guy

  • @maplin007
    @maplin007 26 днів тому +2

    Eating meat with the fat it comes with increased muscle growth over eating protein by a lot. Probably as you need bile to digest protein.
    “Together, these results suggest that certain bile acids accelerate protein digestion in the duodenum most likely by destabilizing the tertiary structures of dietary proteins, thereby making them more susceptible to attack by pancreatic endoproteases such as trypsin and chymotrypsin.”

  • @imwalt3439
    @imwalt3439 25 днів тому +1

    Following mike Mentzer ideal routine, working out once every 5 to 7 days. This means i do the same wo every 20-25 days or so. Each body part gets hit every 10-14 days. Making best gains in years.

  • @jayjohnson6201
    @jayjohnson6201 25 днів тому +1

    I do upper Monday lower Tuesday
    Upper Thursday lower Friday!
    Is that good?

  • @kentsears5452
    @kentsears5452 25 днів тому +4

    Now that I am 68 years old, I need much more rest to fully recuperate. I wait a full four days between muscle groups.

    • @tomjones2348
      @tomjones2348 20 днів тому

      I'm 67, and in excellent shape, but was also having trouble recovering until I watched Thomas' presentation on sauna. Total game changer for me. I do sauna now 6-7 days a week. Huge improvement.

  • @enumclaw79
    @enumclaw79 25 днів тому

    This is interesting stuff. It confirms what we already know anecdotally, but nice to see a study on it with all the hormones etc. I wonder if the mice were fed in a caloric surplus? If not, the mice training more regularly might be unfairly disadvantaged. In the real world people eat enough to fuel their training and recovery - up till the point when it's unrecoverable, of course.

  • @JoseHernandez-tc1kl
    @JoseHernandez-tc1kl 25 днів тому

    That’s true sometimes on my days that I have to workout 🏋🏻‍♀️ and I can’t. Then I train two day later I feel more energetic and I workout more then my regular working days

  • @ArjanWarring
    @ArjanWarring 26 днів тому +8

    You stuff is amazing . Please post more content on muscle building and nutritional amd performance pharmacology

  • @KavoTheGodd
    @KavoTheGodd 26 днів тому +2

    Lets get it!

  • @CarbageMan
    @CarbageMan 25 днів тому

    One might think low carb would also help minimize inflammation overall.
    As for heavy training, I've been struggling with 48h vs 72h, actually. I like to do M-W-F kettlebells and clubs, but sometimes, I feel as though I'm not recovered. I was thinking about taking Wednesdays off and doing something like M-TH kettlebells and clubs, and then doing TU-F spot work. In ether case, if I'm doing weight training tightly to the schedule during the week, I give that a rest over the weekend (when I like to fast anyway, so I do casual cardio.)

  • @capcomfan82
    @capcomfan82 25 днів тому

    Taking more rest is always good. Its like when you take a week off the gym and you comeback even stronger than before. The nerves need a break sometimes.

  • @markwhite6782
    @markwhite6782 26 днів тому +2

    I do upper workouts every other day with lower and abdominal every other day also. ie Monday upper, Tuesday lower, Wednesday upper, Thursday lower etc. Is this allowing enough recovery time?

    • @heartshunter89
      @heartshunter89 26 днів тому +2

      yes, to make things better, when you do your upper workouts add a tiny lower workout without high load and volume, then do the opposite. when you rest with recovery you will notice better results in both strength and hypertrophy, because you are adding frequency so add a resting day too with recovery. I have been using similar methods since 15 years.
      Right now I have tested full body workouts every other day with different Loads and Volumes, its fucking WONDERS, when i recover there is more strength and hypertrophy PLUS burns fat like crazy, than i can ever see on any of my programs. BUT, its not for everyone and it can be very tricky to program, its for highly experienced people, thats the only down side.

  • @NPow94
    @NPow94 26 днів тому +2

    So kinobody has it correct for nattys?

  • @henryharrison4824
    @henryharrison4824 22 дні тому

    You da goat

  • @BrentLeVasseur
    @BrentLeVasseur 25 днів тому

    What’s your take on creatine?

  • @pranjalchaubey
    @pranjalchaubey 5 днів тому

    Just proves that Mike Mentzer was a true Legend, way ahead of his time!

  • @ThePhilGrimm
    @ThePhilGrimm 26 днів тому +2

    Is it possible that to build muscle you have to work harder and rest for longer as opposed to just "exercising" to maintain muscle and flexibility?

  • @kilner79
    @kilner79 26 днів тому

    I'm in no rush to get big I do one day a week and I really enjoy pushing myself on that one day 2 to 3 sets to failure I'm sore for 5 to 6 days after but I feel much better I'm my daily life and I actually look forward going to the gym for that one session like they say doing something is better than nothing and for me and my needs this works

  • @naikjoyx4291
    @naikjoyx4291 26 днів тому

    if I do a circuit 3 times of 3 sets and 3 reps of bicep curls, dumbbell squats, 1 dumbbell above head for tricepc. One in the morning and one in the afternoon.. that is already too much? even though this exercise takes 15 minutes alltogether?

  • @adriennem3168
    @adriennem3168 26 днів тому

    Can anyone tell me when to take tumeric after resistance training?

  • @The-Contractor
    @The-Contractor 18 днів тому

    LMNT is the bomb. First thing in the morning for me. Better wake up than coffee and I don't piss nearly as much over the course of the day. As I've aged I have discovered that training "too little" is far better than training too much. Works for me.

  • @MajicFreeman
    @MajicFreeman 26 днів тому

    Thinking about what Team 3d Alpha has to say about Nucleos-overload training he developed.

  • @alzero4621
    @alzero4621 26 днів тому +1

    What is the conversion of 1 rat-hour to 1 human-hour? I don't think the ratio is 1:1... The results seem to suggest too low a frequency in human terms to be taken seriously.

  • @Ultimatefitness360
    @Ultimatefitness360 25 днів тому +1

    Body split is also great because in split every body part get 2 full day rest

  • @TheProdigalReturned
    @TheProdigalReturned 19 днів тому

    Is this per muscle group or in general

  • @mrhomely
    @mrhomely 25 днів тому

    What about like chest/tri's in the evening and back/bi's in the morning? Still bad?

  • @HereAfterNow
    @HereAfterNow 25 днів тому

    What if you're switching muscles though? For example leg one day and upper body the next. Would that count as a recovert day for leg? Or does recovery mean stop EVERYTHING

  • @imikewillrockyou
    @imikewillrockyou 25 днів тому

    Translating that to humans is difficult, do mice recover more quickly than humans being so much smaller? Hence we need even more recovery time? Or is it the other way around, and we need less? In either case sufficient recover time is important.

  • @JayB-JayB
    @JayB-JayB 26 днів тому +2

    Trainer Kevin Richardson swears by training only 3X per week, and he's jacked!

  • @oliverrivera-pessi
    @oliverrivera-pessi 25 днів тому +1

    People have different recovery capabilities and different food and sleep requirements. The study gives an idea about training frequency but finally everyone needs to figure this out on his own imo.

    • @martinepeters9891
      @martinepeters9891 25 днів тому

      Exactly. I overtrain quite easily. Can't do legs more than one time per 5-7 days.

  • @gregthomas6637
    @gregthomas6637 26 днів тому

    After 17 yrs of training I just feel day by day bigger inflammation after every workout ! This study may more important as we think !

  • @sourcevibration
    @sourcevibration 25 днів тому

    I wonder what their PR’s are you

  • @oa2621
    @oa2621 25 днів тому

    I follow the Mike Mentzer way. It works if you are mentally strong enough to follow it. IF YOUR GOAL IS TO BUILD MUSCLE. All form of exercise is AWESOME…I am just talking about if your goal is to build muscle specifically. It is the holy grail.
    This study only confirms what Mike already knew in the 70’s the man was WAAAAAY ahead of his time.

  • @jasonhurst8599
    @jasonhurst8599 26 днів тому +2

    Does it matter what body part you train on a specific day? Like if you train CHEST on Monday, do you have to wait until Wednesday before you train BACK for instance; or could you train BACK on Tuesday, ARMS on Wednesday, LEGS on THURSDAY, etc? Doing cardio whenever in between.

    • @markwhite6782
      @markwhite6782 26 днів тому +4

      I'm in the same situation, sort of. Upper Monday, abs and lower Tuesday, upper Wednesday, abs and lower Thursday. I wonder if this is enough recovery time? I'm allowing 48 hours rest per muscle but I'm also 62 years old.

    • @JG-zt5vr
      @JG-zt5vr 26 днів тому +4

      ​@markwhite6782 Many variables at work here. Alot depends on workout intensity, diet and rest. Not a good idea to have certain days for certain body parts. Train when they're ready seems to work best.

    • @jasonhurst8599
      @jasonhurst8599 26 днів тому

      @markwhite6782 Exactly. I'm 64 and like to do 1 muscle group (BICEPS +TRICEPS = Arms aka 1 group) per day beginning with Chest on National Official Chest day which is the industry standard lol. So each body part basically gets a minimum of 5-7 days rest, but am actually Resistance training a minimum of 5 days per week. (I don't count abs into my actual resistance training specific body part muscle groups). I just do them in addition to whatever "major" muscle group I work on that day.
      I've also learned from Dr. Mike Israetel whom Thomaa has had on his channel, that in order to achieve hypertrophy you need to stimulate muscle growth as much as possible, which means as soon as the muscle has recovered from its last workout, it needs to be worked again; and some muscle groups like Arms, or shoulders only need 1, maybe 2 days to recover. Back and Chest maybe 3 or 4. Legs, say 5-6.
      So what are we supposed to do?

    • @darracqpatrick5823
      @darracqpatrick5823 26 днів тому

      @@markwhite6782 i am 57, i cant even recover in 72 hours, but i lift pretty heavy.

    • @ArcoZakus
      @ArcoZakus 26 днів тому

      @@markwhite6782,
      "… I wonder if this is enough recovery time?"
      Why not just experiment with more recovery time and see if you feel better? Even if it reduces the rate of growth, which is more important? (Especially ten years from now?)

  • @MT-co5kd
    @MT-co5kd 25 днів тому

    Look into Mike Mentzer. He believes we need 4-7 days rest with a very high intensity of only a couple of sets of going all out.

  • @DrMatthewJelavic
    @DrMatthewJelavic 25 днів тому +1

    Looks like Mike Mentzer was right all along. 4 days between workouts looks like the sweet spot.

  • @giovannidominoni
    @giovannidominoni 26 днів тому

    to me this study tells me another thing: that if you train for longevity, training for muscle growth is not ideal, because AMPK (which you want activated) is denying muscle growth. So, you need muscles, but you also need to train for muscle growth as little as possible (workout days with a slight caloric surplus) to deactivate AMPK, and then stay super active the rest of the time with moderate exercise and a slight caloric deficit, to activate AMPK. I'd say that, when you are over 40, you start thinking of weight lifting every 3 days (and enjoy your meals without too much limitation), and do zone 2 training at least 1 time a day the other 2 days, including lots of exercise snacks, while staying on a slight caloric deficit (reducing fast absorbing carbs and saturated-fat rich food to almost 0 would already fo the trick, if you train enough).

  • @davidperfette1425
    @davidperfette1425 26 днів тому +4

    It's been my experience that alcohol stops muscle growth more than anything. It seems to waste it. So, it's better not to do chest and shoulders, and then the back in successive days? We should put a day in between?

    • @DEM78976
      @DEM78976 26 днів тому

      Kinobody would disagree

    • @noahdensmore6016
      @noahdensmore6016 26 днів тому +1

      It's the worst. Love it but it is 😅

    • @JeffCahill-tp8ik
      @JeffCahill-tp8ik 25 днів тому

      I know this is true and I just finished leg day, but this gold foil Tsingtao is the bomb. 😆

  • @EmilianoZap
    @EmilianoZap 25 днів тому

    @devon larrat hope somebody show this to our armwrestler sensei @john brznk was right

  • @williamjamesheather1953
    @williamjamesheather1953 25 днів тому

    What happens when you factor anabolics into the equation????

  • @gregpeterburs4155
    @gregpeterburs4155 25 днів тому

    Before my home gym I trained 3 days a week, 2 body part a session. With a home gym I train 1 body part a day , 6 days a week . I easily burn out on 6 day schedule compared to the 3 day

  • @JeffCahill-tp8ik
    @JeffCahill-tp8ik 25 днів тому +1

    How much wood could a woodchuck bench if a woodchuck could bench wood?

  • @giovannidominoni
    @giovannidominoni 26 днів тому

    There is something I don't get: does it mean that I should do train lifting in general every 48 hours, or are we talking about muscle groups? Can I train legs on one day, and push and pull the other? My guess is that theoretically it's like that, but has we have a finite amount of ability to recover, regardless the exercise we make, probably if the workouts are hard we should rest anyway.

  • @micker9830
    @micker9830 21 день тому

    I always wait at least 1-2 day between workouts. Been doing that for decades and look and feel great. Wasted time and overtraining, is what you get when you workout to often. If you do every other day, take a couple days off here and there. Especially if you train to failure. If you are just gong through the motions and doing a set of 20, with light weight, not to failure, then I guess it doesn't matter as much.

  • @benjaminmiller3075
    @benjaminmiller3075 23 дні тому

    Delauer with the MTor again.

  • @Deadlift750
    @Deadlift750 25 днів тому

    I don't think the conclusions drawn are accurate across the board. Was intensity the same between the groups? If so, yes more rest is better? What about lower intensity but higher frequency?
    I've been doing lower intensity bodyweight exercises 5 days a week and higher intensity heavy lifting 3 days a week. Sometimes the workouts overlap. Finding a sweet spot for YOU is key. Train hard and smart. Intensity, frequency, volume, rest, diet, are all important levers.

  • @alphacause
    @alphacause 25 днів тому

    While this is interesting, it leads to three questions:
    1. How do you extrapolate the optimal rest times in rats to that of humans? When it comes to, for example, dosages of medication in lab rats, there is some formula to estimate what the equivalent dosage would be in human beings. What is the model used to infer rest periods in humans from this rodent data?
    2. Genetics, as with so many things, can contribute significantly to variability between one person taking a short period of rest and someone needing longer periods of rest in order to induce the same gains. So is it wise to make such blanket recommendations, even if we can accurately scale this rodent data to apply to humans?
    3. The amount of months and years that a person lifts can also factor into the variability of optimal rest times. So if we are to make recommendations regarding recovery times, how do we factor in the difference between a novice lifter and a veteran?

  • @Rob_Zingler
    @Rob_Zingler 24 дні тому

    I think something really important might have been overlooked here. As obvious as this might sound, life cycles of a rat are going to be significantly shorter than a human, metabolic rate will be much higher, cell turnover likely much higher rate etc etc. The point is, 8hrs in a rat may be equivalent to 24hrs in a human, 24hrs in a rat may be equivalent to 72hrs in a human etc etc. The implications for these findings could be really significant.

  • @timgraysontv
    @timgraysontv 25 днів тому +1

    Mike Mentzer is a bona-fide genius!!! 💡

  • @thhesupercat
    @thhesupercat 21 день тому

    Mike Mentzer is smiling 😊

  • @robin5088
    @robin5088 24 дні тому

    I was mind blown at first but this study has a big catch.
    Since the volume per session was the same for each group, you could argue that the 8h group would have seen more (or even better) gains than the other two groups if the volume per session would have been lower.
    It is common knowledge that if you train more frequently you cannot do as much volume per session (and still benefit).
    Therefore, I am very sceptical about these results.

  • @ClaireLouiseHay
    @ClaireLouiseHay 26 днів тому +1

    I strength train 3 times a week, it's enough for me because I Muay Thai train 3 times a week on the other days too.

  • @pjhaines6620
    @pjhaines6620 25 днів тому

    Too many conflicting studies with this. The last studies I heard about (on human subjects) suggested more volume, and training body parts more frequently was correlated to more growth, but with diminishing returns when approaching very high volume.

  • @doctorQ68
    @doctorQ68 25 днів тому

    What about 48hr training?

  • @Karatekjell
    @Karatekjell 25 днів тому

    This is the reason why the upper/lower schedule is superior.

  • @martinepeters9891
    @martinepeters9891 25 днів тому

    I'll train the muscle again after the soreness has gone away. I'll train legs once a week with the dr. Huberman protocol

  • @JeffCahill-tp8ik
    @JeffCahill-tp8ik 25 днів тому

    How about a study on an 8760 hour group?

  • @ironman0370
    @ironman0370 14 днів тому

    Sounds like this proves Mentzer and his philosophy about recovery ability correct.

  • @BluegillGreg
    @BluegillGreg 5 днів тому

    In the early 1970s we used our Dad's training manual written in the 1930s that came with the barbells he bought in the 1940s. The program was full body with 48 hours between sessions. I still like this frequency. I don't think they tortured any rats to figure this out.

  • @EEDad401
    @EEDad401 25 днів тому

    Anything less than a two day rest doesn't produce gains for me. In fact, 3-4 days of rest per body part seems to actually be best for me.
    So this all makes sense.

  • @ArmwrestlingDogo
    @ArmwrestlingDogo 26 днів тому +2

    This is for hypertrophy, how about strength? How about tendons and ligaments?

    • @SkyKing1717
      @SkyKing1717 26 днів тому

      Training style has a big impact on the ratio of strength you gain relative to size, with heavier training generally producing larger gains in strength. As for strengthening tendons and ligaments... they don't respond as well as muscles do to resistance exercise, but they do get stronger gradually over time.

  • @JesusGarcia-Digem
    @JesusGarcia-Digem 26 днів тому +65

    Sounds like Mike Mentzer was right all along.

    • @mediaisthevirus
      @mediaisthevirus 26 днів тому +2

      Goat

    • @MA-ik7ys
      @MA-ik7ys 26 днів тому +19

      Most people aren't anywhere near over training.

    • @ArcoZakus
      @ArcoZakus 26 днів тому +5

      @@MA-ik7ys,
      How would you know that?

    • @andrewmoonbeam321
      @andrewmoonbeam321 26 днів тому +4

      @@MA-ik7ys It's true. I was lifting and was about to stop on a rep that I usually get to thinking I was tired, but I pushed on through and was able to lift for five more reps. In fact the only reason I stopped lifting was because my cat wanted to be let go of and was wriggling, arguably making the reps harder, I might add.

    • @MA-ik7ys
      @MA-ik7ys 26 днів тому +4

      @@ArcoZakus they recently did a test where one group did 52 weekly sets. They got the most results. Many studies show now we are well within our capacity

  • @Baiano29
    @Baiano29 19 днів тому

    Mike Mentzer was right. I grew more with his protocol than with hormones.