Microsoft FINALLY Fixed This...
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- Опубліковано 19 тра 2024
- Microsoft just announced the new Snapdragon X powered Surface Pro and Surface Laptop for 2024, and they're taking aim right at the M3 MacBook Air. But can they actually pull it off?
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Not a single 8GB RAM option in sight, something Apple can learn from
On the other hand, not a single windows update, virus, advertisement in sight on macOS.
And it looks like the Surface Laptops still have a fan while the macbook airs have no fans
@@ArthropodSpidey true, but let's not pretend MacOS doesn't get affected by malware.
But screw the ads, that is still stupid to this day.
@@eyb0ssa lot might switch to MacOS because of this...
@@nickthaskater I can't see any 8GB option on the UK website for pre-order
$350 for a keyboard??? is microsoft smoking the same crack as apple???
They all are
Same pipe, just different ends
But MS keyboard is better since it'll break more quickly, giving the consumer to buy new better keyboard or tablet, andlre BSODs when the drivers crash
Apple would charge $1000 and calll it the magic plus amazing never before seen keyboard because we invented keyboards. The Apple fanboys would be foaming at the mouth for it.
That is absurd and way too much for an accessory. I own the new iPad Air 13" but I'll never buy an Apple keyboard
Way more excited about windows potentially running well on ARM than more goofy ai features.
Windows has no issue running on ARM, it's the applications that have been the issue.
@@nickthaskaterhopefully this chip can handle emulation better. And that more apps get native support
Same
@@nickthaskater and that's the major turn off of windows ARM. They don't have tools like rosetta 2 when they introduced windows arm...or at least they tried but failed miserably. So I really hope they solve this issue for this release.
@@enesjei there's an entirely new x86 emulator now, so yes it should be like Rosetta 2 now.
They lost me with the $350 keyboard. Accessory prices have gotten way out of control
It's standalone device
But you can use Type Covers as old as the Pro X Keyboard. The Flex Keyboard isn't your only option here.
Sure, they are expensive, but bring the value back with usability. Sure, if you 2 finger type, wasting 350, 250, 150 or even 75€ on any keyboard is a waste. If you proper 10 finger type, good keyboard is irreplacable. For example, magic keyboard for iPad is hella expensive, but nothing comparable exists that doesnt take up entire table when in use.
$1100 device + $350 keyboard 😡🤬🤬
$1300 device + $150 keyboard 😁🤗🤗
A keyboard should never exceed $100…
I wont even try to type on it… how can someone enjoy something like this?
Could not rape it day in and out my fingers.
the usecase for the separation of the keyboard is actually quite a big thing if you doing art in that device. since your “offhand” can’t rest in front of your screen since you need the space for drawing.
The detachable keyboard is perfect if you are travelling and the seat in front of you has a folding table.
Put your laptop up high and the keyboard on your lap👌
All I hear is intel is in trouble
Lol Intel has so many clients and sells that they literally don't care. Plus, they don't depend on tsmc like Qualcomm, amd and apple
All I hear is competition is here
@IvoPavlik maybe Intel will get off there high horse
Intel seems to have heavily discounted their Ultra series CPU, as I noticed mostly of the laptops with them are selling at equal less price. The battery life of the ultra series is acceptable (10h vs maybe 20h on arm), not as good but if it's discounted it's not too bad.
Wireless keyboard = Variable Viewing distance so good for eyes comfort, for hands/arms posture and even for viewing height of the Surface screen for ergonomics/posture. Additionally, wireless means you can write and type at the same time if for example doing science diagrams and typing up some notes alongside.
Still no native pdf *EDITOR*
Still no decent email/calendar app (mail and calendar being replaced by “the new outlook” which is a disaster.
Why does microsoft not polish software?
cos they don’t give a shit
as long as they steal as much data from you as possible, they are happy
They're busy chasing trends
@@rjbse exactly. Ai is the new 3D
@@finnley24haha thats big true. And its very sad. I loved Windows 8.1 on Surface devices. It was celan, fast, fresh, designed for touch.
But windows 11 is garbage for touch devices 😂
Recall is pretty much microsoft seeing every single thing you do on your screen...
Imagine watching naughty stuff 😳
Then remove the applications you wish the OS not to record or better yet completely disable it.
@@darkless60 ah, just what i needed, an automated journal of whatever stuff i goon to
as if you weren't using their os in the first place
it happens on your device locally, unlike where ios scans every photo you take to train their ai model.
Erm I think we have that sort of thing in browsers where we can look back to find out something we saw maybe last week. I think it's called "History" or "Ctrl + H" on most if not all browsers. Personally I'd rather not have Microsoft screenshot anything even if it's "local"
Microsoft says local but only open source code would verify that since we all know how much microsoft loves to sell your data
@@hannahtimson2526 that's what I'm saying. Especially when people have to install a "real" clean version of Windows 11 without all the telemetry an bloat that comes with it
Microsoft taking screenshots of your display and extracting information to feed its algorithms... What could go wrong?!
At least that’s a feature you can turn off…for now.
Several tv show writers just got new ideas for the fall season.
they already announced that the recall feature is entirely on-device, nothing gets sent to MS
@@mist1373 Sure, keep drinking the Microsoft Kool Aid. I would rather trust Somalian tap water than what Microsoft says. 😂
@@mist1373 Yeah yeah, and Facebook wont sell your account info because they say so, yeah yeah.
@@peterthepanda You have a google account bud.
lol PowerPoint presentation at the cafe?
Why not, I know people who do lots of them in a week
The Bluetooth functionality used to be an add on device you’d click the keyboard to way back when the Surface line first came out
So excited for these!
The price is simply unreasonable, especially the upgrades are insane
Depends
I'd say the price is amazing. 16gb/512gb with best CPU for 1600 euros is great value
Fair but it's a steal compared to Apple prices
@@pauldekoning7679 While Qualcomm's new core design shows promise, we lack critical information about its actual performance, particularly concerning the x86 to ARM translation layer. It's unclear if this layer supports only x86, or if it can seamlessly integrate both x86 and ARM architectures.
Currently, the only data available indicates good performance in synthetic benchmarks and impressive power efficiency. However, it's premature to label it as the "best CPU" without real-world reviews and thorough evaluations.
350 for the pro keyboard is just obscene.
It's 7000 SEK for the keyboard and pen here in Sweden - that is just bonkers.
I’m curious about that orange chair in the background on the left. Does anyone know what it’s called?
Another use case is for the wireless keyboard is that you can connect your surface to a tv and use it from your couch.
Also for artists, this is huge bc you can draw on the surface while keeping the keyboard to the side for keyboard shortcuts. They showed this in the ad but i don’t think non-artists understand how useful this is. People have been using workaround methods with other accessories/keyboards for years
My Biggest concern is compatability for x86 programs.
2:40 Filthy Frank Human and Vomit Cake Flashback… 😂🎉
I watched this video on a Surface Pro.
They sell the keyboard separately? Apparently, they're learning from Apple and the iPad.
iPad os is isn’t a keyboard centered OS and everything can be done using the touchscreen, Windows on the other hand is a Mouse and Keyboard/Trackpad centered OS with a lot of stuff not working well with touch, so I’d say it’s even worse.
@@idontwanttochooseausernameexactly 💯 we should tell people this stuff evertime they ask for Mac os on the iPad
Great vid Ken! I'm in the market for a laptop and I think this is going to be be a good choice
I got my Surface Pro preordered and oh am I ready for it! Don't really care about all the AI stuff though. Best of all, I can just carry over my Type Cover from my Surface Pro X!
does the new one support the old cover?
I’m very envious. I have a base surface pro 9 and wondering what I could get as a part exchange through Microsoft for a base X Plus iteration. I may come back to this chat to find out how you got along with performance. I’m holding out for some reviews just to make sure software I use all works well.
@@SanderGHovde Yep! Surface Pro is compatible with the Pro X Keyboard, Pro X Signature Keyboard, Pro Keyboard, Pro Signature Keyboard, and Pro Keyboard with Pen Storage. All on top of supporting the new Flex Keyboard.
@@SanderGHovdeyeah and I love that
Bro amazing quality video, so glad you're making content.
Cool video! I’m still happy using my Pro X, but I hope this is a sign they’re finally serious about ARM. Honestly, five years later native compatibility should really be 100%.
It's been long overdue for sure
nope, recall sounds like a privacy nightmare. I truly hope that it doesn't become standard on regular Windows versions
just turn it off?
So is this full Windows or a watered down version for ARM? If it can't run all the native apps with the minimum of hiccups,, it'll be just like previous attempts at this.
so it will save all the snapshots on device.... which means it's gonna get filled up pretty quick?
Watched the Austin vid in the morning and now I'm watching Denki on my meal. Good life
Denki Awesome Video. Thanks so much enjoyed. 💯✌️
When will the full review coming?
bruh Recall is a privacy nightmare and makes sh*t easier for hackers/scammers .. keep dat crap away from my PCs
They expect you to run the computer with BitLocker always turned on... so you get the privacy protection that way, at least.
@@SoundJudgment bitlocker is only good IF your PC gets stolen.. if you are logged into your PC and get hacked while using your PC or leave it logged in you ARE screwed
Computers storing tabs and applications that you close is something...
Something Mac has done for a few years and Linux has done for decades. I think Windows 7 even offered a similar feature.
@@rightwingsafetysquad9872 yes but not to this extent
I’m really looking forward to the reviews of these, I’ve been holding off on buying a MacBook Air since the announcement of the snapdragon CPU in the first place.
I’ve heard that the laptop, allows for upgrading the SSD, which to me is pretty much the reason I would buy it over a MacBook Air
This might be the first time I considered to buy a high end PC Laptop since years. Did they fix things in the new rebuilt Windows version? Like control panel?
Hi! Will any of these new Microsofts be able to handle gaming?
350 for a keyboard: now that's a day light robbery
The creating pictures machine learning stuff is fun, but the search feature feels like something you could do with OCR software from 1997. Screenshot, convert text, make searchable. It's probably (?) a bit smoother, but any type of searching (web, on device) has not been MS strong suit.
From some of what I've seen it can search inside the documents as well, so far removed from screenshot ocr. Search in general and indexing has actually improved quite a lot
@@1dappa searching document text has been a thing for years. There's nothing "AI" about it.
@@1dappa OCR was able to convert entire PDFS. This being able to do it on the fly maybe is made easier by machine learning, but a lot of this has to do with marketing and shareholders and less to do with some revolutionary functionality.
@@nickthaskater True, its more what you can do now and the expansion of context. For example being able to search the words redbag and have imagines of red bags appear in the result, or documents containing images of red bags. Two things can be true at the same time - they overhype everything as AI, but also, transformers and LLMs have changed a lot.
@@1dappa Google Photos has been able to do that for years.
Sounding dope so far
What about the surface go? Are there plans for a new 2024 model?
Wow!
Bro, you are good at your game. Keep it up.
You have just earned a subscriber.
Does display port accept video in?
“PowerPoint presentation at a cafe” -person who has obviously never had a non-UA-cam job
You'd be surprised how many pitches and brainstorming sessions happen in my area like this
Wait till you see how consultants like me present on their iphones to CEOs in the evening in a busy Chinese restaurant 🥲
Bit harsh, I take it you are not in management/sales? Can't say powerpoint but I'm always pulling out my laptop to show clients/collegues in a cafe
Lmaooo, I can genuinely never take people that "work" at coffee shops seriously. Like forreal, is answering emails and pretending to work on a tiny screen the sum of your job 😂
The detachable keyboard is obviously a must-have for artists, because you can have access to all your shortcuts, while still using the screen in a mostly horizontal layout
I'd use a wireless keyboard with the track-pad on the side for the surface pro and connect it with a wireless dongle through one of the thunderbolts. Much much cheaper, less portable yes, but not by too much.
Disabling Recall if i get one of these
He said he would give us pricing and doesn't mention the price of the OLED
are they going to stick with the snapdragon cpus? cause a lot of application are not compatible with that, i NEED intel series
surface pro 10 was released not too long ago, that is intel only.
whats the display? 16x10 or 16x9?
3:2 maybe
Finally, 16GB of RAM on the Surface Pro base specs!
Dell Latitude, HP EliteBook, and ThinkPad T14s: Are we a joke to you?
I miss the Surface book lineup ..I own a Surface Book 2 and love it
For some reason, Microsoft always finds a new way to make everyone disable all their telemetry addons. 😅
Ned? How’s Peter doing? Oh shoot! I forgot you forgot.
Not super excited about a battery being glued into the type cover. Don't care how long it lasts, as it will die eventually, and you never know whether it will be the battery or the contacts that go first.
And here I am installing ancient games on my 2010 Acer 5551G dual core.
im just happy they finally got thinner bezels
can this run Adobe After Effects?
The problem with the old windows arm devices was that the old Qualcomm SoC were so underpowered. Instead the M1 was always very powerfull do of course Roseta could emulate everything perfectly fine.
Got the 8gb m1 air and still rocking solid even working on it , mostly browser tabs plus some excel . All day battery too , SSD health is nowhere near 90% . Always apple from now on , no shitty drivers and fan noise to bother.
Are you the guy from dave2d´s youtube channel?
where you buy your brown/gren tshirt?
As a MS employee thanks
1:08 WHO DOES THAT
This is amazing. I've never wanted to jump ship from Windows. Now I'm even more glad to remain with Windows. Snapdragon X here we go.
Can I run Autocad and Revit on this new Surface Pro?
I want to know this too. I need fusion 360
How much storage does recall use?
depends on how much storage you're pc has but i believe minimum were 25gb
@@whyrulikedis8248 Not worth it.
@@whyrulikedis8248 mess
and finally, that weird design at the back where it is thicker is gone, one of the best looking windows laptop because of that imo
The keyboards seem already oil-soaked at the palm rests at an angle. Not sure how many months the materials will last, especially if you are in a tropical country with sweaty hands.
$3,600 CAD for the Surface Pro X Elite Wi-Fi w/ 32GB RAM, 1TB, and the new keyboard cover w/ Slim Pen. Laugh my freaking ass off.
Still wasting a whole port for the Surface Connect crap. Just give it another USB-C port.
Recall may store the source data on device but you can bet it's sending that encrypted data via telemetry.
I’m sticking to the 16/512 model and will order a keyboard from eBay 😄
Have you add oled screen? Its + 500£ in UK. Mad…
@@bartekm4280 yes that is including the OLED
@@bartekm4280why get a screen that's gonna burn out in a year or two
@@randy89555 OLEDs haven't worked like that for years.
Does it have 5g connectivity?
5G is an option. Yes.
Jesus Christ please fix audio levels
need a magic keyboard like for pro…
LOL at everyone in the comments saying that the price of the keyboard is a deal breaker-- this isn't the Apple ecosystem where functionality will be inhibited if you don't EXCLUSIVELY use their products. I've been using Surface devices for years and have been using a different Bluetooth keyboard and pen. My device WORKS and it does things really well. 😅
Also, as someone who writes for a living giving PowerPoint presentations in a café is not all you can do with a Bluetooth keyboard. 😉
The future looks bright for Microsoft but Windows still needs A LOT of polishing. That white-flashy dark mode, buggy animation when pressing Control+Tab, and two setting panels, etc. Who knows when will they fix them? Maybe never. So I will stick to my iPad/Macbook combo for now.
they wait for the perfect time to drop this when semester ended therefore people already woulda purchased their items , if they could drop better at a better time then we coulda used this product for the semester
Microsoft banned a xbox user for recording a baulders gate scene using built in xbox recorder. He never shared it with anyone but Microsoft apparently sees everything you say and record on there platform.
They still took data of users on windows even when toggled off.
Trusting Microsoft is asking for trouble
Hope the batterie of the surface pro will finally be more than 4 hour
Can they outsmart rtx series laptops?
where is spiderman bro ? :D
Why remove the Intel chips for a Qualcomm 🤨honestly I was looking for the ultra Intel chip as well as the Nvidia 4000 series. It’s still expensive or even more. They still prioritize the features on the surface pro rather than the laptop no OLED for the laptop FYI.
Arm chips are much more efficient, so they are much better for mobile use.
I am so happy to see a golden laptop for windows, i loved the macbook M1 with the golden colour and now i can get it with windows 🤤
So agree that the keyboard is same price as iPad keyboard my apple
this guy on hunger strike or smth
No fanless design?
No one cares. But I prefer a laptop with a fan they won't throttle in important moment
Surface pro 10 just isn't price competitive anymore. I'm already looking at Miniforums V3 that's half the price with more performance
Waiting for the full review 🫠
iPad vs keyboard for your laptop, same price
Interesting, 40 TOPS is more than the M4 chip with "only" 38 TOPS
It all comes down to implementation at this point
@@onapersonalnote7045 yes it will, knowing Microsoft it will be like Apple said: "8GB on Mac are equivalent to 16GB on PC" 😂
@@s.tunafish But that isn't true tho. People have done test to debunk this.
@@Codyslx I know, it was meant as a joke :)
"Because Apple is always more efficient"
For some reason they chose you have to go with Black to get the 32 Gb RAM and 1 Tb version. Black is the least appealing of all colors.
Will we find out if they are going to fix this? If you buy an elite laptop for such a high price being limited to a finger print collecting case ruins it.
It's the most sold version
@@MarioDarnadi We find the black devices show all our finger prints. Any time we have a snack we needs wipes to clean the devices.
Now the surface 11 will be a direct rival not only to MacBook pro, air but ipad might lose the competition
This has the same starting price as a iPad Pro in Europe and with windows being the os I doubt this will compete with Tablets, and costs 500€ more if you want a Oled screen which the iPad Pro already has and with the same storage options it’s 350 and 70€ more expensive for 512gb/1tb models.
@@idontwanttochooseausername Except the iPad is a usable device without a keyboard. A Surface is not. Windows 11 is not optimized for tablet use, at all.
$999 for the LCD version, add another $500 for the Oled screen. Yikes!
the $ 500 is for OLED + X ELITE
As the LCD ones ship with the XPLUS
snapdragon chip....hmmmmmm are applications optimised with this chip?
In the meantime I am looking forward to 13-14" ThinkPads and EliteBooks with AMD Zen 6 with better battery life, till then I'll stick with my 7840U/32GB with 2TB Samsung 990 Pro. I hope with Zen 6 we will get 70-100 TOPS on NPU and then I can use AI locally on the device, w/o cloud = privacy invasion, as per my opinion. As per AI today, I'll use it under my tertiary account, so everything is not under one roof, be it Microsoft/Google/Apple.
For the price, you can get a pretty powerful laptop, a pretty powerful oled tablet, and not have to deal with Windows 11. And given Microsofts recent moves making windows as awful as possible, I'd say this is a win.
Time to learn Linux I guess.
look like ipad pro back 2018
I really appreciate 16gb on the base model. Then again, it is a windows platform. IF they fixed the Modern Standby, i will sell my macbook, iPad and immediately switch to Surface Pro
350 dollars for a keyboard for one of these surface laptops is base iPad territory. That is definitely for shame alright. The accessories is where these companies get ya 😮
Trivial nitpick the blinking lights on your mic hurt the presentation. This is my opinion maybe it is a bad opinion but previously I didn't notice blinking lights now I did and they are distracting me from what you're saying . Other than that awesome presentation as usual I expect nothing less from you are always very professional understandable and quality