10 Reasons Why you should NOT build a Heavy 4WD Tourer / Overlander
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- 10 Reasons Why you should NOT build a Heavy 4WD Tourer / Overlander. Why you should be very careful when building 4 Wheeler.
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12:54 "So don't be a dick and drive normally." Good advice in general... wish more people understood this.
Bent dual cabs happen for lots of reasons but if you follow Rule 12:54 you start in the right direction :)
I think the same goes for people in cars. I've had some close calls because of other people being stupid while I'm driving my Jeep down the road minding my own business.
#10. You never get your money back when you sell the car. You just helped someone else buy all that gear for a song.
Drive your vehicle off-road in stock form. If you notice weaknesses on your vehicle then do the upgrades that will address that weakness.
That is so true....
A Stock LC 100, 105, 200, 76, 79 series will go anywhere in the right conditions
Hugh Jazz That is what I did. I drive an FJ Cruiser and an LC 200 series all in stock form. I drove through rocks, mud, sand, gravel, rivers, and even lahar. The only weakness I noticed are the tires. The stock Dunlop AT22 tires are okay but having serious all-terrain (not even mud terrain) tires will be more than enough to what I go through. All camping gears fit at the back. So no need for additional storage system (for now).
If we are being honest
I did all my first bush tracks in a CM Chrysler Wagon with a 265 Hemi
Tracks i still do today in a fully kitted out Landcruiser
There is something to think about there
Awwww but all the accessories make a 4wd look bad ass .
Ben Baker True! They look cool. However, try to avoid looking like a chump on the tracks. I’ve seen quite a few kitted-out FJ Cruisers with a lot of unnecessary accessories that got stuck on the tracks. The drivers just saw me go through the same track with ease on a stock one. Too many accessories made their rigs too heavy and they just spun their wheels.
I have a term for this that applies to camping in general: "The camping paradox": year after year we buy little extras thinking each item will make life that little bit better, and, taken individually, they seem like a good idea, but the secret to real camping is simplicity. Less is more: the pleasure is in getting away from it all, not taking it with you; less stuff to worry about = less worry and more relaxing.
#10. People actually don’t hit the tracks as much as they think they will and since they spent all that money on their truck they can’t go anyway. 😂
But they've got loads of wank factor 🤣
"Your just lucky that it hasn't happened yet". That's the best saying I've heard in a long time. Very well spoken.
Ronny has lost weight himself, now thats dedication to the cause
Hugh Jazz haha I’d noticed this too! It is definitely dedication!
Hahaha love it,, i thought the same
he lost weight paying for all the repairs to his 1/2 ton rig.with 5t on it..
You are so right most of the time I been on outback tracks and found busted down 4x4 were over weigh, the first thing I tell every before you do a big trip is load your 4x4 with all the gear, food, and fuel water and put all the people in the 4x4 then go to a Public Weighbridge, when you get home start weighing all the stuff take out, try to keep it about 10 to 15% under GVM
Congratulations for doing this video Ronny. Overloading is too easy and while carefully choosing what you REALLY need in your touring vehicle can be challenging.... it could save your life!
My civic bottomed out over a speed bump with 4 guys in it. I think I was overweight
Nah mate, change your shocks 👍🤓
@@SlapPa9 trust a viet guy to pop up when a honda is mentioned lol
I have returned to 4wdriving after a 30 yr absent back then vehicles couldn't even handle light weight gear. Ronny I enjoyed your video it has helped me a lot thank you.
Was slightly disappointed "safety Ron" didn't have an OHS approved high vis vest and hard hat. 😂 Keep up the good work man!
I carry what I need not what I want and it’s built for me not to impress anyone else , I’ve been waiting over the years for a video like this , it’s been long overdue . I’m old school with an old school diesel cruiser and the whole 4x4 scenario is out of control with aftermarket add ons/bolt ons , camper trailers galore and more traffic in our bushlands than Northbridge on a weekend . Bloody sad .
By growing up Ron I realised that I was taking the trappings of society with me out bush ,when I was going out bush to escape society. What a crazy contradiction. Now I travel lighter and feel freer. !!
Yes, I've kept the weight a bit of a secret for some time BUT the issue is over. I was 4.2t once heading for the Kimberly back in 2017, since then I kept dropping bits off which counted towards all the changes I've been forced to make.
Please don't make the same mistakes I did, its a challenge to get a good solid setup light (near impossible for some vehicles).
So what is the weight now??? well thats still a secret because I've yet to proper confirm with full tanks (water & fuel, camera cargo & general gear) so stay tuned for that information to come. I do have a rough idea from a tip weigh station and its on the correct side of the numbers :D. Quietly confident is the shortest answer...
I’ve been to SA and weve off roaded waay out in the bush and we were out for 16 days straight. Super deep sand. We had a diesel land cruiser wagon 100 series and a 2011 suzuki jimny. We had lockers on the cruiser and we still got stuck once. Had front and rear bars with a spare. This thing was a lemon. We cracked the rear diff while 4wheeling. All in all, I’d do it again. I’d love to get out to Australia and maybe even meet you one day. It’d be an honor to 4 wheel with you. Anyway, that’s enough rambling for today. Bye Ronny -Brody
Ref. RVCS 0-4-6-Oct 19 paragraph 10, 10.6- There are no ADRs that require the gross combination mass (GCM) of a light vehicle to be certified by testing or evidence from a manufacturer. Therefore, the Commonwealth does not assess, approve or endorse any purported change to light vehicles’ GCM specifications by second stage manufacturers. State or Territory laws may impose requirements relating to changes to a vehicle’s GCM specifications.
G'day Ronny. Firstly, my partner and I have just discovered your videos. They are brilliant. We are in the process of kitting up a Ranger px3 C/C
Secondly, you're the only person we have come across in You Tube videos that has mentioned any concern whatsoever about GVM. We're astounded at the complacency of people who don't know or seem to care. It's good to see. Big 👍 from us.
#10 You have a tidier setup when you have less stuff to put away. We did 12 months on the road and threw most of it away/sold after a few weeks.
Hi Ronny
I’m about to start building my much loved 2003 RA Rodeo for a trip to the West from Tassie mid next year with my wife and son.
I’ve been struggling to work out where to start this has cleared thing up in my mind.
10. Keep it lite and the first 9 reasons you mentioned.
Great video very helpful.
#10 The more gear you have showing the more likely it is to get stolen when you're away from your vehicle. It's nice to drive a rig that blends in and doesn't scream "I have money, come and rob me or steal me." Great video as always, thanks for the great work.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience! This video goes a long way in helping people in the backcountry. Love your videos, sir!
Well said Ronny. I know exactly what you mean. I spent 18 months putting accessories onto my 4wd and removing them for my own 4x4 UA-cam channel. Its taken ages to get the right equipment i need with my vehicle remaining legal and effective.
Bought a Land Rover, it had bull bars and was based in a city here in the UK? whipped em straight off and sold em.
I work out in the woods so spend most of my time off road and never needed them.
Never had a roof rack. bolted on some decent cleats and carried big ladders straight on the roof, a full length roof rack cuts 2.4 MPG from a Land Rover. Good Video. Cheers
#10- Because remote area recovery is really expensive when you break your rig.
I put my 4wd on the weighbridge a little while ago and was just under GVM while being about 3/4 packed. Since then, I've been researching options to shed excess weight and trying to be smarter about what I bring. Packing when towing is also done very differently.
The biggest single weight saving can be realised by changing my drawer setup. I'd estimate that they would have to be close to 150-200kg. A set of aluminium drawers is closer to 65kg.
Thanks Mate for the tips. You're absolutely right. It's always the heaviest vehicle that gets bogged down in a mud pit.
Really good video Ronny. Keep up the wonderful work, videos, & reviews. Squirrel 😊
Great info Ronny! And from personal experience no less. Keep up the great work!
My rig is big Ronny you saw it up close and she’s heavy but not accessories it’s all gear needed to crawl through Moab or wheel through Colorado BUT she’s heavy and I carry spares and take great pains to balance it all .
I’m so glad you are now onboard with the travel light mentality. When I saw how loaded to the nuts your truck always is and after a few years of that you cracked your frame, that was hard to take. I learned in South Africa long long ago, LIGHT IS RIGHT. Everything gets more stressed, breaks easier and gets stuck more easily when overloaded. I’m a mountaineer and backpacker as well so I’m very aware of how all the little things add up. I’m quite weight conscious when I pack my cruiser up for long trips and I always do better than the overloaded/ fully loaded cruisers and get far better MPG too.
Cheers bru, love the channel 🍻
Thanks for the vid Ronny it's helped me heaps bro 👍💪
Good on you Ronny for talking about legalities (Now address big lifts & 35s I dare you 😜)!! Been saying this for ages & how the industry should change so people don't see the image of a Chinese steel factory bolted to a vehicle as being the only option & move to aluminium as standard for the big components like barwork & racks but without the BS exotic price tag for using it instead of steel.
For a fun game, next time you see an ARB, TJM etc. fully kitted rig at a show, particularly GU & 80 series, ask them about GVM & watch them squirm 😀
Squirm! That's free entertainment right there 👍😉
That's exactly right mate! When i bought my 79 i optioned the heavy duty alloy tray, not steel. Unless you're carrying super heavy stuff in it you absolutely don't need a steel tray! I got a full sized checker plate canopy fitted on the tray and i weighed the rear axle at work and it's only 120kgs heavier in the back. About the same weight if just the tray was steel! And i won't be loading up the canopy with heavy stuff, just chainsaws, camping gear etc. all light stuff. You just have to be smart in how you go about it.
an alloy bar,8mm,is far stronger than steel..IN,,,the states,theres a rule of thumb,which will NEVER get here.is that,,if you raise your vehicle 4",fit 4" bigger tires to offset the pendulum effect.makes sense,but here 4x4rs have the same stupid rules as cars,2" lift,15mm tires.so,,why buy a 4x4 in the first place if you can only drive on bitumen.??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????.ALL,my u.s trucks run 35" tires,with at least 3" lift.& 4.11 to 4.54 diffs.& a real low range gear.like 2 to 1...IF,,you ever,come across an f250 6cyl,4x4.2000, stik it in low...that..is low range..fit 35",raise 3".go anywhere.or,buy a unimog,or iveco daily..
@@phantomwalker8251 I've been running a 2" lift, 33s & have been offroading all over Oz. Admittedly I don't do 'challenge' tracks as a general rule unless they go somewhere worthwhile (Barkley River Jeep Track excepted, yes I did that with 2" lift & 33s in one hit) but then neither do 99% of people who build a truck that looks like a challenge truck, is completely illegal & unsafe purely because they've seen it in a magazine or social media. People forget their vehicles spend most of their lives on the highway & have to meet the requirements set out for roadworthiness as your desire for a few hours of offroad fun doesn't exempt you from anything.
I've been preaching this for the past 40 years. You can't get away from it all if you take it all with you.
PS my first 4wd was an LJ50...
thanks for posting this Safety Ron.
it's to easy to get carried away with the mods before you realise how heavy you got your rig for sure.
The tip I liked best was "Don't drive like a Dick"
Maybe you feel invincible in a 4.5T monster truck, but being illegal and causing a fatal crash will fuck your life big time.
Just chillax and enjoy the ride, your supposed to having fun not competing in a race to death.
Coincidentally we just back from a 6000km holiday towing an off road camper (btw only slightly over weight) and looked at the crap we were carrying and decided to remove most of it.
We did usually 200 to 250km a day, (yes even coming back along the Nullabour) found some fantastic campsites and had zero problems with the vehicle.
Best video you have ever done! what a ripper, excellent . Great knowledge for every one.
Reason #10: Most of the "Tacticool" and gear we buy because we saw it at Overland Expo or on UA-cam, you NEVER end up legitimately using after the initial "try it after install" and it adds up & becomes a colossal waste of money which could better be used on gas or travel visas or a nice dinner out. I learned that lesson building several Jeeps....just emptied every pocket. We're still modifying but we are keeping the new build a 2017 Toyota Tacoma very light. Great video Ronny.....Cheers from Canada!
As an American off-roader I have always just been blown away buy the things that other people in the world pack into their trucks. It happens here too, with the people who go glamping. Myself, I fit everything I need into my 06 Jeep TJ 2 door. Instead of an awning I have a plastic tarp with para cord. Sleep is taken care of with a 3 man tent, a lightweight folding cot and a sleeping bag. Clothes fit into one dufflebag and my food into a coleman extreme cooler. I like to have a lot of suspension flex so I can take on tough trails and I can't do that with a six ton truck.
A lot of people don’t realise in order to increase your GVM they subtract the additional weight from the vehicles towing capacity to maintain the GCM so if your original towing capacity is 3500kg and you get a 500kg GVM upgrade your towing capacity is now 3000kg. Great video Ronnie 👍🇦🇺
Thanks for this video I find it very well thought out and presented.
Sensible and honest comments. Well done!
I've got the RTT and drawers in the back of my ute, with a drop down slide and fridge. I'll use my RTT if I am going to be spending a few days at the one camping spot.
However, if I am just going for one night, or out wheeling and a different destination every night, I'll take a swag and stretcher.
The best tip I have, is if you are going with friends, share equipment, figure out who has what and each take different things. Rather than everyone bringing a fire pit, table, pots and pans, share it around between each other. This will cut down on weight for everyone.
I've been watching your videos on and off for a few years now mate and I am happy to see you have come to this video. So many of the videos I have watched I cringed at the amount of weight adding accessorizing (to be the man with the most amount of gear) and thought to myself, all the gear and no idea. I've grown up in remote Aus and done a lot of remote 4WD'ing and learnt very early on, once you start loading her up, stuff WILL break and it will be a whole lot harder to fix. Great video mate, hopefully the message will get through the countless overweight drongos I see going up the east coast for their "I'm hardcore" cape trip.
Good vid Ronny. So many valid points
Reason 1 : less room for beer
Ps: if you are towing a camper trailer why have a fully loaded/decked out truck.
My type of camping , and i save extra weight by drinking bourbon straight
Can't agree more the utes empty if I'm towing the trailer
#10 Less unnecessary $$$ spent on vehicle is more $$$ to save for the adventure/holiday. Another excellent vid Ronny, thank you.
# 10 there is always something you will come to the realization hey I've been dragging this thing around for a year and haven't used it yet.
Really good videos Ronny! Highest quality really appreciate it!
Nice video, good to see you compressing you content so the videos dont blow out to half hour
Thank you Ronny. Advice well appreciated. Regular viewer and avid fan from Papua New Guinea 🇵🇬
This video has made me stop and think about my rig and just how overweight it is. Thank you Ronny this is good stuff.
Ok, put that truck on a diet and let us know how many lbs that truck loses in the next 3 months.
I need an update down the line from you.
@@myytchannel6632 it's been 2 years lol
@@Kana0211 LOL, I guess the truck has gained more weight then.
Very good piece of work Ronny
Less means more always..!!! great stuff Ronny.. glad to see you talking about the legalities!! GVM & GCM not many people would have any idea about it or how its worked out, whereas I have been driving semi's for 25 yrs and know this only too well, and good stuff re the towball weight also .. not many think of that either.
Realy good advices and nice chanel! We are reducing amount of stuff with our Land Rover defender for long time and we think that's the best solution.
Awesome information Ronny!!
I do enjoy that you are saying things that contradict the way you use to run your Cruiser setup. I really like that. It’s great that someone like yourself can reflect on what you have done in the past and what you think is a better way to go about it now. We can all learn a lot from that 👍🏼
Love your work Ronny - No.10 having someone else's life on my conscience...
Good stuff mate! Thanks!
looking sharp ronny, keep up the quality .
Couldn't agree more with these reasons. My truck bed stays empty on my truck except for the occasional bike. Especially when I'm pulling the trailer. My 10th would be my truck is my daily driver. I don't want to look like I'm going on an expedition just to pick up the kids at school. Ha ha!
I’m the same. But I’m a audio guy too so I kinda need the space to place gear and other objects
and there is SO many of them " kitted up explorers" now ...every school car park
Awesome update for someone new to the 4x4 scene
I havent started yet on my mods.....I have upgraded suspension a bit but no roof racks or bed racks yet. Its hard to keep necessity separate from awesomeness. I want everything just like everyone else but practical is probably the way to go. I will watch the how to stay light video close, thats for sure
That's great mate and just a friendly tip. Always upgrade suspension last, after you've added all the weight to your vehicle that you want to add. Then do the suspension last so your suspension specialist can customise the right springs for the weight of your vehicle. I see a lot of people making this mistake and having to re do their suspension after added accessories. Cheers.
My little list of "needs" vs "wants". Touring in Australia, at least, you need front end protection. You need good tyres. You need auxiliary lighting. You need a suspension upgrade. Depending on how remote you're headed, you may need a UHF. Pretty much everything else is nice to have, as far as mods to a vehicle go.
@@jimbojones2457 I wish i would have done that now, haha. Thats awesome advice. Live and learn. Thanks for the teach bud
@@rickm4295 not a problem Rick. All the best with your setup.
Still building my touring/daily driver, supercharged 2H diesel 60 series, cut to a 4 door with tray and 75 series front springs and 79 series rear springs, with the rear diff moved back 700mm, modified brakes and an exhaust brake too. Will have the GVM, GCM upgraded to suit as I need it to tow 4 tonnes occasionally, as I have a vintage tractor I will take to shows. Been a bit crook so I'm over a year behind where I would like to have been. Love the 60 series, super heavy duty chassis, truck diffs front and rear and a truck gearbox and the 2H with a supercharger you cannot go wrong.
I like my Ute to look as stock as possible attracts a lot less attention when parked my mate has had two sets of maxtrax nicked for his roof rack .
His bright orange mine black I still have mine .
Great video mike
i got ebay copies but they stay in the shed until i go beach fishing, i have only ever used them once and they did their job just like an expensive one would have
#10: big rigs = more gear as you said... which also equals more complex stowage plan, more hassles accessing gear, more time spent packing it, cleaning it etc etc. All of which leads to LESS time using it.
Love your work Ronny.
#10 Less Kit, Less weight, Less getting stuck in soft sand
Not just sand but in any off road situation. heavier 4wds are harder to recover
10. An overweight 4x4 will have a lot less power to comparison to a light 4x4
This was a really awesome video. I’m already limited on space because I drive a 2 door Jeep but weight is always a consideration. I already have the slowest, least aerodynamic vehicle on the road I rather not be the heaviest too 🤣
From Thailand.
The more things is the more cost to have future maintenance too.
After every hike we would empty our gear on the floor and put to the side the things we took and never used. A lot more than you’d think. You can do the same on a day trip vs an extended trip. I always pack accordingly with a check list for both.
Thanks for the video Ronny, was thinking of replacing my alloy winchbar with a steel one on my 4runner until i saw this
Sweet new hair cut Ronny! Thanks for the vid. Look up Black Bear Pass Toyota Rollover. One of the many reasons not to over accessorize. Safe and Happy wheeling sir.
So one of the keys I've been trying to stick to is reducing weight and maintaining usability. I have a roof top tent, bed bars and some lights. I have been able to keep the weight low, but I'm still at limit of GVM or GVWR reducing everything to backpacker type stuff and only bringing heavy camp stuff depending on the situation. My fridge is a little over 50 quarts capacity, my fuel is 18 gallons plus a 5 gallon fuel can, but I've been setting it up to run with most of the weight slightly forward of the rear axle, at worst. Weight distribution is as important as weight amount.
I think a good instructional video would be how to pack your truck/SUV to get the weight centered or better distributed.
-American Tacoma owner
Great advice as always
Good comment on tailgaters. I drive a 40 ton truck for a living and the are are 3 things you MUST remember. Following distance, following distance and following distance
toyotas need to tail gate to save fuel & do 100 kmh..wny, BECAUSE THEY DONT HAVE THE GUTS TO OVER TAKE A SEMI.
Thanks for taking the lead on this Ronny! 4x4 should not be about "looks" that is just pansy. it should be about 4x4ing reliably, safely and causing minimum damage to our wonderful country. Sure the aftermarket manufacturers glamorise their wares, as they should, but that does not mean we let the brain take second place to ones member.
Thank you so much for doing this video. Finally someone makes a case for a lightweight set up. It seems like much of what is driving the fad of “overlanding” these days is the gear. Some people seem to outfit their vehicles for expedition use only to take weekend trips to places they could’ve taken a minivan! It may look cool but setting up your camp takes a lot longer with all that crap, and requires much more space. Why pull a trailer weighing thousands of pounds and killing your mpg in the process and limiting where you can go, so you can use your expensive fancy kitchen just to make instant oatmeal?!?! I don’t get it. A roof top tent limits your mobility. When you’ve got camp set up, you can’t go hit the trails. You’re stuck. If you break your camp down then you run the risk of losing your camp site. I’m in the states and I use a swag and a small kitchen set up in a mostly stock 4Runner. It’s never kept me from going anywhere I’ve wanted to go. I don’t have anything on the roof. Just upgraded tires, no lift and stock suspension. Works great for me.
Thx Ronny for a real thought-provoking video about vehicle weight. Made me commit to weighing mine on next trip for a reality-check! Great work.
Not sure about the "not speaking to the camera moments" in this edit, however, given its a one-on-one conversation. Might be much better suited to your modifieds, or trip vids where there are more people in the conservation. Just a suggestion... Love your work.
#10 get rid of the stuff up top for more clearance relative to overhead obstacles...branches, rock overhangs, etc
Don't forget the maccas drive-through
Excellent information excellent advise and excellent Vlogs. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐👍❤ keep vehicle stock it will run smooth for more years no maintenance required just keep stock and drive
After going through a total build on a Jeep the vehicle performed terribly on the highway and drank fuel. I have opted to start with a much bigger truck that is designed for rough overland terrain and stay well below the GVW.
I would like a video of the things you remove and all the changes in your setup
As always great video Ronny
he did a video a few weeks back about all the different set ups he has had and why he went for a light weight set up :)
My 10th reason is that my ego is not interested in impressing others with my 4x4.
my #10 - Brake upgrade especially for the 79, if doing suspension mods and engine mods and lets face it when we do a 79 you are going to budget in a brake upgrade imo.
First rule of camping/overlanding/humping (Army slang) ! ! if you have extra space you or “she” will fill it up.
Funny you mentioned the Tritons breaking at the rear, not sure if it was a Triton but I saw a dual cab ute with its back broken on a tilt tray tow truck earlier in them in week, assumed it was on a Cape York trip. Last trip I made up there decided to only 1/3 rd fill the water tank at home , then filled (plus extra 20lt containers) up 2 days later, saved carrying maybe 130kg of water on 800km of unsealed and sealed roads. Makes it easier getting up hills , noticed fuel economy improvement too.
Awesome video straight down the line it was good
Reason # 10 - and I like many of the other ones posted here too - is because when you are trying to stay light , you pay more attention to WHAT you are building, and WHY. In my experience, whenever you put more thought into something, it comes out better. Have a "no compromise rig" - well, smart folks compromise - and well, failing to balance performance, need, capacity and capability isn't very smart. Thank you for an awesome series, I'm currently building out our 4Runner (Surf/Prado? for you guys?) and resisting the urge to do what everyone does and install 1,000lbs of protection - on a vehicle with only 1600lbs cargo capacity :)
10. keep it light so you can carry more beer/firewood/emergency passenger and their gear.
Now there's a thoughtful traveller Cheers for more beers! ... oh And the other great points of course 👍🤓🍻!
Love the production quality, just make sure you are editing to the right camera.
Love that you are getting a good look going.
My #10 is fitting the damn rig into the garage 😜
good vid, My jeep will stay light and only mod is a tent, and maybe a fron bull bar in the future.
KISS... camping is all about getting back to the simpler life.. that extends to your truck, only take what you need, not what looks cool.
Keep It Simple, Stupid
Best saying ever
Couldn’t agree more Mark, this was my 10th reason too. Take only what you will actually use, nothing more.
Exactly my idea of camping ./salute
Great vid mate😁😁
agree 100% Ronny and what about speed when towing
roo cros over driving fast game over plus other cars also
slow down when towing ,, can fit in 10 I think so
Awesome vid mate and I don’t have a #10 reason. I am only here to watch your informative vids and read the funny comments 😂
A+. Subscribed.
Very Nice vídeo! Great
Looking sharp Ronny
Love it mate
I crossed australia, covering 13,000km total partly on dirt roads last year towing a 1500kg camper trailer. Never even considered GVM, GCM limits at the time, afterwards worked it out and was likeley extremely close to GVM probably just exceeding it, and the only real "upgrades" we had on our Nissan Patrol was an ARB bullbar and a steel roof-rack. We carried some jerries of fuel and water, tools and recovery bits, nothing excessive (so I thought), but it was so easy to load right up to GVM limit specially with a high ball weight.
You pretty much hit the high points. Thanks Ronny
Overly done up flashy rigs are more likely to get stolen/ vandalized / broken into.
Flagstaff winters are great when the snow packs and you can’t beat Mexico beach cruising , so you’ll spend less time sinking in and digging out( snow, sand, mud.)and more time enjoying the ride.