The best pair of ex JWs on you tube to talk to for a proper insight into the “religion”. Truly doing God’s work. Thank you for doing this interview! That’s a great idea for more collaboration because they are not bitter and have mentally and emotionally moved on while still being invaluable to the ex JW community
You must be born again by accepting the true JESUS of the Holy Bible: The Mormons and the JW's deny the deity of our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST - this is deadly: if you believe that our LORD s only a created being you can NOT be saved!!! JESUS CHRIST is GOD, see John 1! HE always existed with the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT = the GODHEAD or Trinity. Thank JESUS for paying for your sins on the cross and HIS resurrection on the 3rd day!!! It must come from the bottom of your heart. Listen to great evangelists lke Dr. John Ankerberg and Dr. David Reagan and their guests.
As an ex-Mormon I am all for supporting fellow former members of cults, doesn't matter to me to which one they used to belong. The infighting doesn't help any of us, it only benefits our former cults.
What a charming couple! I love the dynamics between them (clearly a loving and mature marriage!). They are funny and interesting. What a blessing that their marriage survived all the craziness that happened. What a treat to start the Saturday morning with listening to more from them, while doing some overdue housework.
@@positiveendtimes did they happen to mention that unbaptised members in the congregation cannot get disfellowshiped, and before a person is baptised they go through over 100 to 200 questions on every aspect and teaching of the oganisation, and if a person is not ready to get bapised they can have thier baptism applications revoked, so any who gets baptised know what the organisation accepts and doesnt accept based on the bible.
Adrian Thomas that’s true, they do go over all those questions in the organized to accomplish your ministry book. While no where in the Bible does it say anything about adding addition questions other than the 2 in the Bible. However the couple interviewed is speaking about Jehovah’s witnesses. And the Christian cong of JW’s cooperation only calls baptized members witnesses. For example look I to all the court cases where the call elders that molested children ‘imposters & fake Jehovah’s witnesses. But the reality is you and I know 6-10 year olds that have been baptized, Tony Morris has said there’s something wrong if a child has a license but isn’t baptized...encouraging parents to hold back that driving privilege. If I knew all the the org is hiding and being dishonest about. I wouldn’t have gotten baptized into the org I would have found a non denominational group & then choose which to associate with. My JW friends are a captive audience. Going along with things whether right or wrong..they have no choice.
I just saw the post about Bible Brown. Ok. That was a good piece of info you gave b/c I remember they always talked about Bible Brown, but I did not really know why until today. That really made it make sense why he was talked about so much. tytyty.
I very much agree with their take on joining another religion. I feel exactly the same way as they do. We left the JW faith 10 years ago and I feel as tho I have had enough religion for the next 97 years or so. What a delightful interview. I loved it!
Yes, 20 years later. All religions are the same with the same end goal: control. All of my girlfriends growing up in Islam had so many of the same restrictions I did as a JW. Religion is a man-made invention, it really doesn't benefit women in any way. You can find a way to be spiritual without being religious or dogmatic. In my experience, religious people are some of the worst people you can have the misfortune of meeting. You can form a relationship with God and still pray with a religious conduit. Glad you have all broken free.
Joining forces, subscribers, supports-including financial, & unifying for a common cause-is what this is all about! Let’s stop these historically destructive cults from causing harm to others-period. 👍🏽❤️👍🏾❤️👍🏼❤️ Together we are 💪🏼💪🏽’er.
I realize that this was just a flippant statement. But let’s be clear, there are poor parts in the Continent of Africa just as any other continent. But the whole of Africa is NOT poor and desolate. Words are important, and this false notion that “Africa” is some poor third world place where everyone is struggling does not need to be reinforced.
Thanks again John for everything you do for helping current & former members of high control groups!!! Our identities as individuals were overtaken by these groups. Therefore leaving them can be a disorienting experience as many times we need to rebuild our lives from the bottom up! PLEASE keep up the good work via Mormon Stories Podcast. Sincerely..... from a former exjw.
Intelligent, reasonable discussion?? Where do you find that anymore? This is great, and all four of these folks are so interesting and informative. I'm LOVING this!
JT and Lady C my favorite couple on UA-cam! I love you guys! I felt so amazing when JT said "the society ain't getting nothing from me when I leave" amen brother! My love and regards for the 2 of you! Xoxo! 🤗🤟👍💪
I have never been a Jehovah’s Witness or Mormon, but I think what you all are doing is amazing. I have had friends that have been part of both religions and have committed suicide. It warms my heart that you all are spreading the truth in love. I appreciate you all so much. ❤
These two videos are my first introduction to your channel. You have a very good interview style. JT & Lady Cee are a great couple to interview they are down to earth and are very knowledgeable. I'm always looking for new content that they put out and I'm looking forward to checking out some of your videos.
This was one of the best and most interesting videos ever! Very educational and fun and gold. I'm an ex jw so listening to this super long podcast was like a kid eating all the free candy he could eat and I loved everyone minute of it. Love this and of course I love and respect JT and Lady Cee. They are such great and wonderful people. A+++ Thumbs Up!!
The lies and the damage the Mormon church does to families and individuals is huge. I am so much happier now that I have left. It sounds like it is the same for those in other high demand religions. Thanks for sharing
Another great interview! JT & Lady Cee are breaking it down again! 🎯 I do want to add to this discussion about racism in Watchtower - bear with me. The founder Charles Taze Russell was a typical white man in the 19th century. He started publishing his teachings around 1879. So we don’t need to guess how he felt about black people and other minorities. JT touched on this. They’ve dismissed those teachings as “old light” 🙄 - but I do want to say growing up (I’m a 70s baby - Gen X-er) I NEVER saw a black circuit or district overseer (JT talked about that hierarchy in the previous episode) I was in my 20s when my circuit had their first black CO and the district had its first black DO. I am from Michigan - my circuit included one or two “urban” areas and was primarily “rural” so the leadership at Bethel headquarters sent white brothers because they knew damn well these Michiganders were NOT going to listen to a black man. It was also a HUGE deal when Heard became a member of the governing body (yep, he’s definitely a token). Huge deal. “We have a black governing body member! Yay!!!” This was the talk among African American members on the low. Two other observations. Congregations were mainly arranged by location and you were assigned based on the nearest congregation in your area (usually). When I was married I lived on the border of Detroit/Grosse Pointe. I attended a Kingdom Hall that had two auditoriums (sanctuaries) in the same building. (They call these “double build” Kingdom Halls 🤣) You walked in the building and literally, identical auditoriums to your left and right. Some congregations met at the same time. There was a Grosse Point Cong that was primarily all white and the Detroit Congs were primarily black. So how do you think it looked during meetings (church services) when there were all whites on one side and all blacks on another? For optics they mixed a few up by moving some black families to the Grosse pointe congregation and white families to the Detroit congs (a few white families declined the suggestion because like JT said, the black brothers did what they were told in many cases & the white ones would challenge). Also, and this aligns with how jobs at Bethel were distributed (JT spoke on this too), at every convention and assembly my very black congregation was ALWAYS assigned to CLEANING the facility and bathrooms. For years. Yet, I always saw white members involved with accounting and in the press room (at the big conventions). Those were what I considered the cool assignments. But I would be quiet and humbly take my assignment. JT & Lady Cee are so accurate when they say racism was not discussed and the JWs sat on the sidelines and rolled with the tides. Whichever way the wind was blowing. However the systemic racism is definitely there and it’s been imbedded from day one. Sorry for my novel. This was an excellent interview. I’m now subscribed to your channel. Major shout out to Lady Cee & JT! They rock!
@@adrianthomas2196 no where in my message did I say black brothers don’t give talks at assemblies and conventions. You need to get off this site before you get yourself in trouble. I’m not going back and forth so don’t bother. I will block and report. God bless you.
John, it was great meeting you yesterday! I absolutely love your content and these deep discussions on topics most people avoid alltogether. Keep up the good work! 🙏❤
The issue of race is alive in JWs. My black son was asked more than once if he was in a gang. Also I noticed in the Spanish congregation the white brother who could barely speak Spanish was the head of all the Spanish brothers.
100% when a spouse or religion makes you believe you are stuck and cannot leave them because “who will want you”, “where will you go”, “no one will love you like I do”…that is manipulative abuse! I agree with not being a JW poster child, that made me laugh. JW’s expect people to come crawling back once they’ve seen how cruel the world is. It’s shocking to them to see people move on with their lives and be happy. I married a non believer almost 17 years ago, we have 3 beautiful daughters and I feel the happiest I have ever felt in my whole life.
I use to wander why it took me sooo long to get through what dose the Bible really teach book . My bible study-teacher was a pioneer, she needed her hours 😞 now I know .
Wow! JT preach! I commend you for your honesty and truth. Especially towards the 15 mins. Im glad you mentioned how people end up becoming learders..because thats so true.
Tremendous relief when learning the truth about the truth. Difficulties that this is your primary group of friends since everyone else is worldly. I am not outgoing by nature- I tend to avoid people even though I pioneered, especially auxiliary, which requires going to strangers. Very surprising that I could do that fairly easily. Also we lived in a bubble. We are in Jehovah's care. I cleaned and have very little income and can never retired. Tend to look at archeological evidence and what is behind the bible. Not mentioned thus far is Kim and Mikey which breaks through that barrier. Just heard them mentioned.
I as well was born into JW religion. I was not baptized,but approved associate. Anyway I went to Elders with questions I knew they didn't have. I didn't listen to any other preachers or anything else religious but watchtower publications. I happened to run across Crisis of conscience as well and listened to Raymond Franz. I am a Christian and I love studying the Bible. I recommend Chuck Missler. I have learned more from him about the word of God than anyone else. I'm really trying to understand the Mormon doctrine because my son was baptized in LDS church about 6 months ago. Thank you for sharing BTW it is extremely hard to question the Elders,as I really didn't want what I found out to be true. It's also hard to loose family and friends you love. But it is a crisis of conscience once you learn the real truth.
I watched Part I and did not get bored AT ALL! In fact, I had to stop watching to do some things about midway, and I couldn't wait to come back and finish. They are very interesting, funny, intelligent and caring. Awesome people!
I concur on the comment that escapees from the Exclusive Brethren should be interviewed, Christadelphians, Christian Scientists Moonies, the Amish, Hutterites, and Mennonites as well.
Just accept the ture JESUS of the Holy Bible! The Mormons and the JW's deny the deity of our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST - this is deadly: if you believe that our LORD s only a created being you can NOT be saved!!! JESUS CHRIST is GOD, see John 1! HE always existed with the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT = the GODHEAD or Trinity. Thank JESUS for paying for your sins on the cross and HIS resurrection on the 3rd day!!! It must come from the bottom of your heart. Listen to great evangelists lke Dr. John Ankerberg and Dr. David Reagan and their guests.
I was never happy as a JW, always feeling guilty and depressed. I never felt like i belonged or measured up to all the rules and regulations, not to mention the favoritism and class distinctions.
Such a great interview. JT and Lady C were as good as usual. Their stories are so representative, one is pure doctrines and one is pure human interactions. It’s amazing how high control groups are playing with human psychology and doing tremendous damage using the hands of their members without any of their members realize that they are mentally diseased.
Haha John- you nailed it about Scientology, COJCOLDS, JW leaders must be meeting since you’re right- they’re all using methods from the same play book!
Dr. John Dehlin, you should reach out & interview Aaron Smith-Levin. He’s friends with Leah Remini, Mike Rinder, Chris Shelton, & he grew up as a Scientologist. He has a UA-cam activism channel called: Growing Up In Scientology. He is an incredible person, family man, & has helped many people including myself. 👍🏽❤️👍🏼❤️
The similarities and/or parallels between the JW religion and the LDS religion are eye opening. The JW religion is unfamiliar to me, and so it makes the diminishing, unsavory, and controlling aspects a shock to my mind....even though these aspects are mirrored in the LDS doctrines and teachings.
Iam not sure if u gotmy last message, but please dont listen what you been told about JW, there are loadsof false accusations said about them, and i can humbly prove
@@marshamcghie8407 that is not true, ive been a JW for 20 yrs, and i am in full control of my faculties, never brainwashed by the JW, and never coerced or forced to do anything by the Watchtower society of JEHOVAHS WITNESSES and know of others who too feel the same, and load of false accusations and misinformation about JW here
@@adrianthomas2196 ..Do you know what a high control group is? I urge you to do your research..Have you heard of the BiTE model by Steven Hassan. It is used to ascertain the level of control in a group or environment.Scientology is a high control group so is NXVIM,they meet if not all most of the criteria of the BITE model.Do JW's meet the criteria of the BITE model,I'll leave that for you to determine.
JT is correct. They BLAME the rank and file for 'exaggerating' the teachings. I know, I was the WT Study Conductor in 1975/76/ 44 years an elder and I am ashamed!
You don't need to be ashamed. We were all blind guys following blind guys. The 2017 convention video where they tried to gaslight witnesses about 1975. It was a shocking video
Thankyou I woke up and I’m injoyin my life so beautiful they had me for 43yrs I no longer I no longer judge people I am no longer afraid that the worlds going to end tomorrow I no longer criticize the world I live a happy life now I’m free to do as I please and when I say I can do what I please I don’t mean bad things I’m still the same person I don’t believe in hurting people I respect people I love God I stay with God and Jesus Jehovah witness is a cult I found out all these years I was I was so ignorant or naïve or I don’t know but they brainwash me that that was the truth and it was a big lie now I’m so happy I enjoy my life and I plan to enjoy my life till the day that I leave this world
There are meet up groups but most are too far to attend. I live in relative isolation. But the idea of a support group is great. Right now therapy is you tube.
John this part 2 episode with JT and Lady Cee was another hit out of the ball park. Great job. And yes the idea of collaborating with others hosting videos that have left high control religious groups I believe would have greater impact in helping ex members and exiting members. One woeful problem is that there are very few clinical psychologist that actually understand the far reaching psychological and emotional human train wrecks created. I so wish there was a way of dispensing a higher awareness in the psychologist world that the cult mind pretzel is very complex and so helping them understand more of the insidious cultural dogma is not exactly quiet the same as so many other human issues that have more of a template. Here in Texas where I now reside, there are many psychologist that offer therapeutic counseling with a Bible based background. Good God. Run away. My biased opinion.
I had to teach to my psychologist about jw's and more abuse from them. Now, she knows and retired, went back to the other side of the country. I don't feel like training another one. We need help. . . I saw many psy before I found a good person for me.
When I first listened to apostates on you tube- within five or six videos I just felt genuine love for apostates. A feeling that does not usually happen. Knew someone who grew up around Ray Franz relatives. They felt he needed to be disfellowship a lot earlier than when he was- 1980.
@@sophiefleurisca7298 I think it surrounded the heavenly hope. From his book, I gathered he felt some discrepancies from the talks he gave or people who asked him questions on a subject, the need to give an answer that did not quite line up. At the time I was waking up. The person Who had this “information” was in a somewhat vulnerable state. Wish I had gleamed more information.
Back in the late 80's to early 90's I wanted to be a JW. Going to my 3x meeting including Assembly Hall. Then I had felt something was missing so eventually I had left. Watching this video now I know why. They don't believe in Trinty, 144,000 how they come up with that number. And 1914 generation. Thank you J.t and lady c. My husband and I are members at St. Paul Community Baptist Church from Brooklyn New York..my husband is one of the Elders. What a mighty God we serve
"Success is the best revenge." After I left the Jehovah Witnesses religion, I didn't look back. I was told my life would end and I would die in Armageddon with the other wicked worldly people. However, I finished my higher education, got a job and took care of myself for decades. God never let go of my hand because I never stop believing His existence. Thank you, JT & Lady Cee for the work you do to help people wake up.
Yes! My father came over and talked to me and my husband. I’m disfellowshipped my husband was raised a witness but never got baptized so my dad talks to him as much as possible. So I chimed in on the conversation and told my dad I so happy. I have never felt this kind of clarity or peace. And he looks at me and he said how is it possible that you are happy without Jehovah? Because I am not without Jehovah I’m without the organization. The organization is NOT Jehovah. Did you know there are actually a lot of people outside of the religion that are actually thriving? They actually have high morals outside the religion? Did you know that people are not withering away dying without hope or a relationship with God? … I remember when I first had this realization my eyes started slowly open and I would still go to meetings after being DF and suddenly everything started sounding ridiculous. Hearing all this from this lovely couple. This ain’t new info to me but at one time it was perfectly normal and made complete sense to me. Now it’s just laughable. I am so glad I have found a community of people online that I can talk to
@eileen21 Yes. The organization nor Watchtower is not Jehovah. The governing body is only a group of men. God has given all of us the way of communication to Him through prayer. Jehovah is a kind, loving God. It is prayer that I am able to succeed in life. Likewise, I'm so glad there is a community of exjws for encouragement to enjoy the best life Jehovah has given us.
I'm sorry I hadn't left alot earlier. I left in 2021. I was an abused child I was looking for love and understanding. The witnesses protect the guilty and shun the victim. I once did anything to be doing the "right thing". The amount of favoritism I saw in every congregation made it obvious that after 35 years I had enough. I'm happier than ever.
When I left JW , what helped me recuperate was listening to christain songs ( which JW taught us never to listen to that they are Christendom ) like Ron kenoly ,don Moen, Juanita bynum,Sasha Cobbs etc , I almost lost my mind when I left but God Almighty got me . Am free
Praise GOD! Im filled with joy whenever I hear that people break free and find GOD after leaving a cult. I'm sure it was a difficult period in your life, but I'm also sure that you would do it again if the end result is having a blessed life. Thank you LORD. In Jesus' name.
I and my brother and friends, all JWs, graduated high school in the 60's. Definitely our lives were impacted very negatively by the Organization's disapproval of any higher education. At the same time many of the elders and their older children were highly educated. We knew to not question this paradox.
When I left: I was alone and nobody believed me. No psy helped me. Still to this day: no-one understand. I teached my ex psychologist and soon after: she was old enough for leaving her job and went back to her hometown on the opposite side of Canada 🇨🇦
I loved this series! I loved those guys and I’m going to check out their channel. By the way, I’m a “never in” but I find the discussion so meaningful.
When JW knocked on my door to talk , one of my questions was do you believe that Jesus is the son of God they said he was a prophet . That did it for me . If you don't believe Jesus is our Lord and Savior . I don't want to talk anymore. Even though they still come back I don't answer my door anymore.
I remember my grandfather came home from a meeting with the Curcuit Overseer (CO) and asked me to write down the names of the Gov Body. I wrote one name and asked him why he asked me to do that. He said, I was more focused on "worldly stuff" than the "things of God."" Now, I'm learning many Witnesses didn't know who the Gov Body was!!
I went out in field service with my Mother I didn't like going I believe I was force to go. Am laughing now about it. Am glad am not a Jehovah's Witness anymore.
This is a good podcast especially with the knowledge Both Ex-Jw couple have I seen both parts 1, 2, and seen many Jw critical thinking podcast they are good, I also like the many points we went over from part of the interview they are good. In fact I am a PIMO jw physical in but mentality out.
JW definitely has a history of racism, when I became one of JW IN 1975 we wasn't integrated in my location. Later on I moved far away from the Kingdom Hall, Meaning that we had to go to a Basically mostly white Kingdom Hall, Definitely treated different, at the Black Kingdom Hall we called each other Brother & Sister. Going to the white KH they wanted me to called them by there name. This was if we saw each other out people wouldn't see that we where consider as sister & brother. Also all the head the Head men over the Body was White men. Finally in 1999 that selected one Black who is definitely a get along guy. A yes sir master. We as a black are just there run man the one who go out and knock on doors. We are consider faithful slaves because of our subservient. I always wanted my children to go to College, which was against there father wish. I made sure they when to college because I wanted better for my children. I really couldn't conform. Most was inferior to the master. Couldn't do it. I didn't see the better job with the racist, they would try to send you to the worst door to door area where you walk . Where they drove like overseer. I can write a Book on the racism. The most horrific part about the percentage is we're still don't have leadership position.
I grew up in JW religion as a kid in the 90s. We had interracial overseer, and I had them again as an adult in a different circuit. He was a black brother and wife was white/mexican. But neither spoke Spanish as main language. They both learned Spanish. I was in a Spanish speaking congregation
Probably the best pod cast of the bunch I have heard. I really learned alot about the JW's and I wanted to hear about their thinking and the world they are stuck in. While most of the experiences I had with Mormon's were good, with JW's most of them were bad. I honestly hated them. They hurt me badly when I was younger. After listening to JT I learned alot of nuggets of wisdom from this man and his wife! I also liked alot of the examples he provided about tracking hours and recognizing that much of who JWs are is just a horrible conditioning that espouses bitterness and performance issues. They are who they are because they are shaped by the hate of the world and the bitterness from within. I forgive these people now. I had an interesting few episodes with a few of them while I did missions work in Japan. There was a JW church a block from the United Pentecostal church in Okinawa I worked at and they would always smile and had none of the bite the American group had. I actually liked these JWs. I can understand the appeal JW has there as Japanese people are often very performance based. I also learned alot about the constant provided a man who stated you can successfully have stable relationships with an average of 150 people in your life time. It makes sense we divide and reproduce like Jesus said 30,60, even up to 100. We're meant to do our part and sometimes we overdo it. I appreciate you all.
I remember as a child walking into the JW convention center and the ‘apostates’ with their signs and being told, ‘Don’t look at them!’ It scared me!!! Now I would be one to carry a sign 😆
I have spoken up about children getting baptize- which I have never really agreed with as well as the amount of child abuse (without getting too lengthy). Children go through so much growing up and in their teens. I have thought about Universal Unitarian church. We are tribal people by nature. Their policies are in keeping with mine. But just a need to extend into the community. Again it is a distance to travel. I do belong to a progressive political group- but again a distance, finances, and time.
Some congregations are ready for an interview racial marriage. I talked to one sister in 2020 who told me when she and husband wanted to get married and they had been married long, they needed to wait because the congergation wasn't ready. Which is terrible.
JT and Lady C are a national treasure. We must protect them at all cost. 😁
The best pair of ex JWs on you tube to talk to for a proper insight into the “religion”. Truly doing God’s work. Thank you for doing this interview! That’s a great idea for more collaboration because they are not bitter and have mentally and emotionally moved on while still being invaluable to the ex JW community
You must be born again by accepting the true JESUS of the Holy Bible:
The Mormons and the JW's deny the deity of our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST - this is deadly: if you believe that our LORD s only a created being you can NOT be saved!!! JESUS CHRIST is GOD, see John 1! HE always existed with the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT = the GODHEAD or Trinity.
Thank JESUS for paying for your sins on the cross and HIS resurrection on the 3rd day!!! It must come from the bottom of your heart. Listen to great evangelists lke Dr. John Ankerberg and Dr. David Reagan and their guests.
@@albertafarmer8638 amen!
@@blessedandgrateful5347 GOD bless!
Amen to that.
@@hektorlinko GOD bless!
As an ex-Mormon I am all for supporting fellow former members of cults, doesn't matter to me to which one they used to belong. The infighting doesn't help any of us, it only benefits our former cults.
What a charming couple! I love the dynamics between them (clearly a loving and mature marriage!). They are funny and interesting. What a blessing that their marriage survived all the craziness that happened. What a treat to start the Saturday morning with listening to more from them, while doing some overdue housework.
They are also saying a load of false accusations
@@adrianthomas2196 please do tell us what those false accusations are.
Adrian Thomas thats a dismissive statement. Sounds like watchtowers line of apostate lies while never actually saying what the lies are.
@@positiveendtimes did they happen to mention that unbaptised members in the congregation cannot get disfellowshiped, and before a person is baptised they go through over 100 to 200 questions on every aspect and teaching of the oganisation, and if a person is not ready to get bapised they can have thier baptism applications revoked, so any who gets baptised know what the organisation accepts and doesnt accept based on the bible.
Adrian Thomas that’s true, they do go over all those questions in the organized to accomplish your ministry book. While no where in the Bible does it say anything about adding addition questions other than the 2 in the Bible. However the couple interviewed is speaking about Jehovah’s witnesses. And the Christian cong of JW’s cooperation only calls baptized members witnesses. For example look I to all the court cases where the call elders that molested children ‘imposters & fake Jehovah’s witnesses. But the reality is you and I know 6-10 year olds that have been baptized, Tony Morris has said there’s something wrong if a child has a license but isn’t baptized...encouraging parents to hold back that driving privilege. If I knew all the the org is hiding and being dishonest about. I wouldn’t have gotten baptized into the org I would have found a non denominational group & then choose which to associate with. My JW friends are a captive audience. Going along with things whether right or wrong..they have no choice.
I ❤ LOVE my ExJW Family!!
JT and Lady Cee are the BEST! 🙌
I'm ready for Part #3 🎼💃
I just saw the post about Bible Brown. Ok. That was a good piece of info you gave b/c I remember they always talked about Bible Brown, but I did not really know why until today. That really made it make sense why he was talked about so much. tytyty.
Another fantastic conversation! Living your life to the best is good enough for me too! 💓
YEEEEESSSS!
The Tower is Falling!
The Tower is Falling!
I very much agree with their take on joining another religion. I feel exactly the same way as they do. We left the JW faith 10 years ago and I feel as tho I have had enough religion for the next 97 years or so.
What a delightful interview. I loved it!
Same. I am over religion 😂
Yes, 20 years later. All religions are the same with the same end goal: control. All of my girlfriends growing up in Islam had so many of the same restrictions I did as a JW. Religion is a man-made invention, it really doesn't benefit women in any way. You can find a way to be spiritual without being religious or dogmatic. In my experience, religious people are some of the worst people you can have the misfortune of meeting. You can form a relationship with God and still pray with a religious conduit. Glad you have all broken free.
Joining forces, subscribers, supports-including financial, & unifying for a common cause-is what this is all about! Let’s stop these historically destructive cults from causing harm to others-period. 👍🏽❤️👍🏾❤️👍🏼❤️ Together we are 💪🏼💪🏽’er.
Thank You!!! JT & Lady Cee Are Out Here Saving LIVES!!!! Thank You.
I just love this corner of the internet.
Me too
I realize that this was just a flippant statement. But let’s be clear, there are poor parts in the Continent of Africa just as any other continent. But the whole of Africa is NOT poor and desolate. Words are important, and this false notion that “Africa” is some poor third world place where everyone is struggling does not need to be reinforced.
I was thinking the same thing
So happy that I left the Acult religion 33yrs baptised
Thanks again John for everything you do for helping current & former members of high control groups!!! Our identities as individuals were overtaken by these groups. Therefore leaving them can be a disorienting experience as many times we need to rebuild our lives from the bottom up! PLEASE keep up the good work via Mormon Stories Podcast. Sincerely..... from a former exjw.
Very true! These Podcasts really help me considering the depression comes and goes bc I'm slowly fading away.
A very nice, fun couple. Helped me learn how to navigate leaving a little more.
Intelligent, reasonable discussion?? Where do you find that anymore? This is great, and all four of these folks are so interesting and informative. I'm LOVING this!
JT and Lady C my favorite couple on UA-cam! I love you guys! I felt so amazing when JT said "the society ain't getting nothing from me when I leave" amen brother! My love and regards for the 2 of you! Xoxo! 🤗🤟👍💪
I have never been a Jehovah’s Witness or Mormon, but I think what you all are doing is amazing. I have had friends that have been part of both religions and have committed suicide. It warms my heart that you all are spreading the truth in love. I appreciate you all so much. ❤
These two videos are my first introduction to your channel. You have a very good interview style. JT & Lady Cee are a great couple to interview they are down to earth and are very knowledgeable. I'm always looking for new content that they put out and I'm looking forward to checking out some of your videos.
Love Lady C and JT
Pt 2 didn't disappoint.The things you were never told about the religion you were born into .
Yes for sure
Exactly!!
More than 40 years experience here and everything they are saying is 100% true no lie
HI ALEX BALDWIN
JUST WONDERING IF YOU ARE THE ACTOR.
AND TELL ME THE TRUTH, BECAUSE YOU KNOW JEHOVAH HIMSELF IS WATCHING YOU. AMEN
@@gilbertosuna3261 Probably not since the actor's name is ALEC.
Gilbert Osuna why do so many JW’s always use all CAPS!?! It’s like the color purple it makes it easy to identify crazy people
@@positiveendtimes I will amen that!
***Please Read***
Ray Franz book (Crisis of Conscience)
Yes, it is a great book and an easy read.
JT, you and Lady C. are the real thing.. I would rather watch you both than any one else.
This was one of the best and most interesting videos ever! Very educational and fun and gold. I'm an ex jw so listening to this super long podcast was like a kid eating all the free candy he could eat and I loved everyone minute of it. Love this and of course I love and respect JT and Lady Cee. They are such great and wonderful people. A+++ Thumbs Up!!
The lies and the damage the Mormon church does to families and individuals is huge. I am so much happier now that I have left. It sounds like it is the same for those in other high demand religions. Thanks for sharing
Another great interview! JT & Lady Cee are breaking it down again! 🎯 I do want to add to this discussion about racism in Watchtower - bear with me. The founder Charles Taze Russell was a typical white man in the 19th century. He started publishing his teachings around 1879. So we don’t need to guess how he felt about black people and other minorities. JT touched on this. They’ve dismissed those teachings as “old light” 🙄 - but I do want to say growing up (I’m a 70s baby - Gen X-er) I NEVER saw a black circuit or district overseer (JT talked about that hierarchy in the previous episode) I was in my 20s when my circuit had their first black CO and the district had its first black DO. I am from Michigan - my circuit included one or two “urban” areas and was primarily “rural” so the leadership at Bethel headquarters sent white brothers because they knew damn well these Michiganders were NOT going to listen to a black man. It was also a HUGE deal when Heard became a member of the governing body (yep, he’s definitely a token). Huge deal. “We have a black governing body member! Yay!!!” This was the talk among African American members on the low. Two other observations. Congregations were mainly arranged by location and you were assigned based on the nearest congregation in your area (usually). When I was married I lived on the border of Detroit/Grosse Pointe. I attended a Kingdom Hall that had two auditoriums (sanctuaries) in the same building. (They call these “double build” Kingdom Halls 🤣) You walked in the building and literally, identical auditoriums to your left and right. Some congregations met at the same time. There was a Grosse Point Cong that was primarily all white and the Detroit Congs were primarily black. So how do you think it looked during meetings (church services) when there were all whites on one side and all blacks on another? For optics they mixed a few up by moving some black families to the Grosse pointe congregation and white families to the Detroit congs (a few white families declined the suggestion because like JT said, the black brothers did what they were told in many cases & the white ones would challenge). Also, and this aligns with how jobs at Bethel were distributed (JT spoke on this too), at every convention and assembly my very black congregation was ALWAYS assigned to CLEANING the facility and bathrooms. For years. Yet, I always saw white members involved with accounting and in the press room (at the big conventions). Those were what I considered the cool assignments. But I would be quiet and humbly take my assignment. JT & Lady Cee are so accurate when they say racism was not discussed and the JWs sat on the sidelines and rolled with the tides. Whichever way the wind was blowing. However the systemic racism is definitely there and it’s been imbedded from day one. Sorry for my novel. This was an excellent interview. I’m now subscribed to your channel. Major shout out to Lady Cee & JT! They rock!
I have seen a number of bro who are black giving talks at conventions and assemblies who ser"e as elders and servants, more false accusations
So fascinating. Thank you so so much for sharing GrammarGoddess!!!
@@adrianthomas2196 no where in my message did I say black brothers don’t give talks at assemblies and conventions. You need to get off this site before you get yourself in trouble. I’m not going back and forth so don’t bother. I will block and report. God bless you.
John, it was great meeting you yesterday! I absolutely love your content and these deep discussions on topics most people avoid alltogether. Keep up the good work! 🙏❤
Thank you Devan!!!!
I am a great fader, I faded in 1997. Now I do not care what they do with me. I am independant.🤣🤣🤣
Thank you for doing this episode. It’s one of my favorites. Lovely couple!
These guys are so funny, I really appreciate them. Thank you, so much, you two are so wise and supportive. Friendly, yes!
I am so glaf that I have chosen to listen to your channel. I am a fader, Thanks again...Good Morning from Trinidad and Tobago
I wasn’t happy either , always felt depressed and guilty about every & anything 😔
The issue of race is alive in JWs. My black son was asked more than once if he was in a gang. Also I noticed in the Spanish congregation the white brother who could barely speak Spanish was the head of all the Spanish brothers.
Facts
100% when a spouse or religion makes you believe you are stuck and cannot leave them because “who will want you”, “where will you go”, “no one will love you like I do”…that is manipulative abuse! I agree with not being a JW poster child, that made me laugh. JW’s expect people to come crawling back once they’ve seen how cruel the world is. It’s shocking to them to see people move on with their lives and be happy. I married a non believer almost 17 years ago, we have 3 beautiful daughters and I feel the happiest I have ever felt in my whole life.
Good for you 👏🏽
I like your stile J.T. and Lady Cee great job...
I use to wander why it took me sooo long to get through what dose the Bible really teach book . My bible study-teacher was a pioneer, she needed her hours 😞 now I know .
Great interviews, really enjoyed and you all are true inspirations 🥰🥰
Wow! JT preach! I commend you for your honesty and truth. Especially towards the 15 mins. Im glad you mentioned how people end up becoming learders..because thats so true.
had to listen to part #2. Learned so much from part #1
Tremendous relief when learning the truth about the truth. Difficulties that this is your primary group of friends since everyone else is worldly. I am not outgoing by nature- I tend to avoid people even though I pioneered, especially auxiliary, which requires going to strangers. Very surprising that I could do that fairly easily. Also we lived in a bubble. We are in Jehovah's care. I cleaned and have very little income and can never retired. Tend to look at archeological evidence and what is behind the bible. Not mentioned thus far is Kim and Mikey which breaks through that barrier. Just heard them mentioned.
I as well was born into JW religion. I was not baptized,but approved associate. Anyway I went to Elders with questions I knew they didn't have. I didn't listen to any other preachers or anything else religious but watchtower publications.
I happened to run across Crisis of conscience as well and listened to Raymond Franz.
I am a Christian and I love studying the Bible. I recommend Chuck Missler. I have learned more from him about the word of God than anyone else.
I'm really trying to understand the Mormon doctrine because my son was baptized in LDS church about 6 months ago.
Thank you for sharing
BTW it is extremely hard to question the Elders,as I really didn't want what I found out to be true.
It's also hard to loose family and friends you love. But it is a crisis of conscience once you learn the real truth.
I watched Part I and did not get bored AT ALL! In fact, I had to stop watching to do some things about midway, and I couldn't wait to come back and finish. They are very interesting, funny, intelligent and caring. Awesome people!
I concur on the comment that escapees from the Exclusive Brethren should be interviewed, Christadelphians, Christian Scientists Moonies, the Amish, Hutterites, and Mennonites as well.
Just accept the ture JESUS of the Holy Bible!
The Mormons and the JW's deny the deity of our Lord and Savior JESUS CHRIST - this is deadly: if you believe that our LORD s only a created being you can NOT be saved!!! JESUS CHRIST is GOD, see John 1! HE always existed with the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT = the GODHEAD or Trinity.
Thank JESUS for paying for your sins on the cross and HIS resurrection on the 3rd day!!! It must come from the bottom of your heart. Listen to great evangelists lke Dr. John Ankerberg and Dr. David Reagan and their guests.
Why is it Kingdom Hall buildings do not have windows?
I was never happy as a JW, always feeling guilty and depressed. I never felt like i belonged or measured up to all the rules and regulations, not to mention the favoritism and class distinctions.
This was SUPERB!
Wow
This 2 part series is truly profound and incredible
Thanks for sharing
Kind regards
Such a great interview. JT and Lady C were as good as usual. Their stories are so representative, one is pure doctrines and one is pure human interactions. It’s amazing how high control groups are playing with human psychology and doing tremendous damage using the hands of their members without any of their members realize that they are mentally diseased.
Haha John- you nailed it about Scientology, COJCOLDS, JW leaders must be meeting since you’re right- they’re all using methods from the same play book!
More false accusations
Adrian Thomas are you
Counting time?
@@positiveendtimes that’s a good question, lol!!
I love how they say Ray Franz's name about 10 times lol. Great idea to get people to remember it. It's an amazing book.
Dr. John Dehlin, you should reach out & interview Aaron Smith-Levin. He’s friends with Leah Remini, Mike Rinder, Chris Shelton, & he grew up as a Scientologist. He has a UA-cam activism channel called: Growing Up In Scientology. He is an incredible person, family man, & has helped many people including myself. 👍🏽❤️👍🏼❤️
I’d love to! Please have him email me at: mormonstories@gmail.com
Watchtower was against tele-evangelism and now they are tele-evangelazing.🤣🤣🤣🤣
EXACTLY. This really brought it home to me during covid. Mega Church/ Culty vibes... so glad I woke up! ❤
The similarities and/or parallels between the JW religion and the LDS religion are eye opening. The JW religion is unfamiliar to me, and so it makes the diminishing, unsavory, and controlling aspects a shock to my mind....even though these aspects are mirrored in the LDS doctrines and teachings.
Yes I see many similarities as well.
Iam not sure if u gotmy last message, but please dont listen what you been told about JW, there are loadsof false accusations said about them, and i can humbly prove
They are both high control groups.High control groups are cut from the same cloth in terms of tactics and behaviours
@@marshamcghie8407 that is not true, ive been a JW for 20 yrs, and i am in full control of my faculties, never brainwashed by the JW, and never coerced or forced to do anything by the Watchtower society of JEHOVAHS WITNESSES and know of others who too feel the same, and load of false accusations and misinformation about JW here
@@adrianthomas2196 ..Do you know what a high control group is? I urge you to do your research..Have you heard of the BiTE model by Steven Hassan. It is used to ascertain the level of control in a group or environment.Scientology is a high control group so is NXVIM,they meet if not all most of the criteria of the BITE model.Do JW's meet the criteria of the BITE model,I'll leave that for you to determine.
JT is correct. They BLAME the rank and file for 'exaggerating' the teachings. I know, I was the WT Study Conductor in 1975/76/ 44 years an elder and I am ashamed!
You don't need to be ashamed. We were all blind guys following blind guys.
The 2017 convention video where they tried to gaslight witnesses about 1975. It was a shocking video
I’m so thankful I stumbled on your channel. I just subscribed
Thankyou I woke up and I’m injoyin my life so beautiful they had me for 43yrs I no longer I no longer judge people I am no longer afraid that the worlds going to end tomorrow I no longer criticize the world I live a happy life now I’m free to do as I please and when I say I can do what I please I don’t mean bad things I’m still the same person I don’t believe in hurting people I respect people I love God I stay with God and Jesus Jehovah witness is a cult I found out all these years I was I was so ignorant or naïve or I don’t know but they brainwash me that that was the truth and it was a big lie now I’m so happy I enjoy my life and I plan to enjoy my life till the day that I leave this world
Great work from everyonea, John, Gerardo, JT and Lady Cee. Presenting the facts and leaving it up for the world to see will plant the seed of freedom.
As an Ex-Christion I can relate to all these stories. All religions are cults.
There are meet up groups but most are too far to attend. I live in relative isolation. But the idea of a support group is great. Right now therapy is you tube.
John this part 2 episode with JT and Lady Cee was another hit out of the ball park. Great job. And yes the idea of collaborating with others hosting videos that have left high control religious groups I believe would have greater impact in helping ex members and exiting members. One woeful problem is that there are very few clinical psychologist that actually understand the far reaching psychological and emotional human train wrecks created. I so wish there was a way of dispensing a higher awareness in the psychologist world that the cult mind pretzel is very complex and so helping them understand more of the insidious cultural dogma is not exactly quiet the same as so many other human issues that have more of a template. Here in Texas where I now reside, there are many psychologist that offer therapeutic counseling with a Bible based background. Good God. Run away. My biased opinion.
We’ll get there LaChica!!!! Thank you for listening and commenting!!!
I had to teach to my psychologist about jw's and more abuse from them.
Now, she knows and retired, went back to the other side of the country. I don't feel like training another one. We need help. . . I saw many psy before I found a good person for me.
When I first listened to apostates on you tube- within five or six videos I just felt genuine love for apostates. A feeling that does not usually happen. Knew someone who grew up around Ray Franz relatives. They felt he needed to be disfellowship a lot earlier than when he was- 1980.
@jokich6379, why would the relatives say that?
I am curious.
@@sophiefleurisca7298 I think it surrounded the heavenly hope. From his book, I gathered he felt some discrepancies from the talks he gave or people who asked him questions on a subject, the need to give an answer that did not quite line up. At the time I was waking up. The person Who had this “information” was in a somewhat vulnerable state. Wish I had gleamed more information.
Back in the late 80's to early 90's I wanted to be a JW. Going to my 3x meeting including Assembly Hall. Then I had felt something was missing so eventually I had left. Watching this video now I know why. They don't believe in Trinty, 144,000 how they come up with that number. And 1914 generation. Thank you J.t and lady c. My husband and I are members at St. Paul Community Baptist Church from Brooklyn New York..my husband is one of the Elders. What a mighty God we serve
1:52:55 yep just like in Mormonism from Ballard’s “Where will you go” talk if you leave.
A collaboration would be nice. Great idea Dr John!
ajta you gave the best example I have heard regarding blood "parts" " a part off a stolen car is still a stolen part!!!!
Thnks JT
"Success is the best revenge." After I left the Jehovah Witnesses religion, I didn't look back. I was told my life would end and I would die in Armageddon with the other wicked worldly people. However, I finished my higher education, got a job and took care of myself for decades. God never let go of my hand because I never stop believing His existence. Thank you, JT & Lady Cee for the work you do to help people wake up.
Yes! My father came over and talked to me and my husband. I’m disfellowshipped my husband was raised a witness but never got baptized so my dad talks to him as much as possible. So I chimed in on the conversation and told my dad I so happy. I have never felt this kind of clarity or peace. And he looks at me and he said how is it possible that you are happy without Jehovah? Because I am not without Jehovah I’m without the organization. The organization is NOT Jehovah. Did you know there are actually a lot of people outside of the religion that are actually thriving? They actually have high morals outside the religion? Did you know that people are not withering away dying without hope or a relationship with God? … I remember when I first had this realization my eyes started slowly open and I would still go to meetings after being DF and suddenly everything started sounding ridiculous. Hearing all this from this lovely couple. This ain’t new info to me but at one time it was perfectly normal and made complete sense to me. Now it’s just laughable. I am so glad I have found a community of people online that I can talk to
@eileen21 Yes. The organization nor Watchtower is not Jehovah. The governing body is only a group of men. God has given all of us the way of communication to Him through prayer. Jehovah is a kind, loving God. It is prayer that I am able to succeed in life. Likewise, I'm so glad there is a community of exjws for encouragement to enjoy the best life Jehovah has given us.
I love this couple.
I'm sorry I hadn't left alot earlier. I left in 2021. I was an abused child I was looking for love and understanding. The witnesses protect the guilty and shun the victim. I once did anything to be doing the "right thing". The amount of favoritism I saw in every congregation made it obvious that after 35 years I had enough. I'm happier than ever.
When I left JW , what helped me recuperate was listening to christain songs ( which JW taught us never to listen to that they are Christendom ) like Ron kenoly ,don Moen, Juanita bynum,Sasha Cobbs etc , I almost lost my mind when I left but God Almighty got me . Am free
Praise GOD! Im filled with joy whenever I hear that people break free and find GOD after leaving a cult. I'm sure it was a difficult period in your life, but I'm also sure that you would do it again if the end result is having a blessed life. Thank you LORD. In Jesus' name.
I and my brother and friends, all JWs, graduated high school in the 60's. Definitely our lives were impacted very negatively by the Organization's disapproval of any higher education. At the same time many of the elders and their older children were highly educated. We knew to not question this paradox.
When I left: I was alone and nobody believed me. No psy helped me.
Still to this day: no-one understand. I teached my ex psychologist and soon after: she was old enough for leaving her job and went back to her hometown on the opposite side of Canada 🇨🇦
I loved this series! I loved those guys and I’m going to check out their channel. By the way, I’m a “never in” but I find the discussion so meaningful.
They refuse to apologize - We don't need to apologize! Is their words.
They are beautiful people . JT & Lady C.
Love JT and Lady Cee they are wise and funny
Since we have grown up in cults we’re learning how eval mind control is . Jesus massage don’t jump out of the frying pan into the fires
When JW knocked on my door to talk , one of my questions was do you believe that Jesus is the son of God they said he was a prophet . That did it for me . If you don't believe Jesus is our Lord and Savior . I don't want to talk anymore. Even though they still come back I don't answer my door anymore.
This is an answer to your question, All mighty YAHAWAH is exposeing all these wicked man made evil religions in these end times...
I remember my grandfather came home from a meeting with the Curcuit Overseer (CO) and asked me to write down the names of the Gov Body. I wrote one name and asked him why he asked me to do that. He said, I was more focused on "worldly stuff" than the "things of God."" Now, I'm learning many Witnesses didn't know who the Gov Body was!!
I LOOOOOOOVE JT!!!!!!!!!!
My late sister was a JW.
I went out in field service with my Mother I didn't like going I believe I was force to go. Am laughing now about it. Am glad am not a Jehovah's Witness anymore.
This is a good podcast especially with the knowledge Both Ex-Jw couple have I seen both parts 1, 2, and seen many Jw critical thinking podcast they are good, I also like the many points we went over from part of the interview they are good. In fact I am a PIMO jw physical in but mentality out.
JW definitely has a history of racism, when I became one of JW IN 1975 we wasn't integrated in my location. Later on I moved far away from the Kingdom Hall, Meaning that we had to go to a Basically mostly white Kingdom Hall, Definitely treated different, at the Black Kingdom Hall we called each other Brother & Sister. Going to the white KH they wanted me to called them by there name. This was if we saw each other out people wouldn't see that we where consider as sister & brother. Also all the head the Head men over the Body was White men. Finally in 1999 that selected one Black who is definitely a get along guy. A yes sir master. We as a black are just there run man the one who go out and knock on doors. We are consider faithful slaves because of our subservient. I always wanted my children to go to College, which was against there father wish. I made sure they when to college because I wanted better for my children. I really couldn't conform. Most was inferior to the master. Couldn't do it. I didn't see the better job with the racist, they would try to send you to the worst door to door area where you walk . Where they drove like overseer. I can write a Book on the racism. The most horrific part about the percentage is we're still don't have leadership position.
Wonderful job
The struggle continues 🕊️
I grew up in JW religion as a kid in the 90s. We had interracial overseer, and I had them again as an adult in a different circuit. He was a black brother and wife was white/mexican. But neither spoke Spanish as main language. They both learned Spanish. I was in a Spanish speaking congregation
Love them
Big fan of those two over here in England, long may they rule👍
From the frying pan into the fryer! lol.
Probably the best pod cast of the bunch I have heard. I really learned alot about the JW's and I wanted to hear about their thinking and the world they are stuck in. While most of the experiences I had with Mormon's were good, with JW's most of them were bad. I honestly hated them. They hurt me badly when I was younger. After listening to JT I learned alot of nuggets of wisdom from this man and his wife! I also liked alot of the examples he provided about tracking hours and recognizing that much of who JWs are is just a horrible conditioning that espouses bitterness and performance issues. They are who they are because they are shaped by the hate of the world and the bitterness from within. I forgive these people now. I had an interesting few episodes with a few of them while I did missions work in Japan. There was a JW church a block from the United Pentecostal church in Okinawa I worked at and they would always smile and had none of the bite the American group had. I actually liked these JWs. I can understand the appeal JW has there as Japanese people are often very performance based. I also learned alot about the constant provided a man who stated you can successfully have stable relationships with an average of 150 people in your life time. It makes sense we divide and reproduce like Jesus said 30,60, even up to 100. We're meant to do our part and sometimes we overdo it. I appreciate you all.
I remember as a child walking into the JW convention center and the ‘apostates’ with their signs and being told, ‘Don’t look at them!’ It scared me!!! Now I would be one to carry a sign 😆
I have spoken up about children getting baptize- which I have never really agreed with as well as the amount of child abuse (without getting too lengthy). Children go through so much growing up and in their teens. I have thought about Universal Unitarian church. We are tribal people by nature. Their policies are in keeping with mine. But just a need to extend into the community. Again it is a distance to travel. I do belong to a progressive political group- but again a distance, finances, and time.
Amen
Ppl r ppl then they join these organization and bring their racist attitudes with them
So very true Lady Cee
Thank you ex jw here totally appreciate this
I ❤️ you two!!!
Some congregations are ready for an interview racial marriage. I talked to one sister in 2020 who told me when she and husband wanted to get married and they had been married long, they needed to wait because the congergation wasn't ready. Which is terrible.
Love this couple! They should write!!!
You are angels thank you.