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Tesla MEGA batteries are about to transform Australia's power grid
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Tesla MEGA batteries are about to transform Australia's power grid
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I will keep saying this Sam because it is true. The best place for batteries is in your home. Why? Because you buy less electricity, that electricity does not have to travel on transmission lines, in the event of a power cut you can use it and it will definitely reduce your power bill. Large batteries will only push up prices because they are owned by shareholders who demand returns.
Will they though? I mean, do these batteries cost more than the use of coal or gas powerplants? Intuitively I kind of doubt it.
Where it's possible to install home batteries yes. For those whom must rely ont he grid, these large commercial setups will be needed.
Here in he UK you need 50kwh to run a heat pump for a day in the deptths of wintter. That means you need several hundred kwh of storage per house.
I can't wait for Australia to go 100% solar!
It will have wind as well.
It could power Indonesia hundreds of times over
Amen 🎉 @robert2951
Me either
Get your mega packs
Not bad but the UK is closing its last coal plant in two months. Come on Australia
Situation report. UK renewable share of the grid was 50% in Q1 vs 40% in Australia, which is pretty good considering the power of the fossil fuel lobby here. We lead the world in rooftop solar but the fossil fools have successfully funded NIMBY scare campaigns against utility scale renewables. The new government, which is slightly less in the pocket of the coal industry than the last, is supposedly addressing the approval backlog, so there is hope.
Doesn’t matter where on earth CO2 generation reduction occurs. Might as well be where it is sunny. The most efficient use of limited solar hardware.
It would be very cool if you were to be invited to the commissioning ceremony and interview the team who planned and implemented the project.
Solar w/out storage is incomplete
That’s the next step
Yep. That is why absolutely everyone who lives off the grid installs batteries when they install solar panels.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 We need gov incentives on solar batteries to encourage or help most to afford such installments. I do heavily agree this should be heavily pushed by the masses.
@@dmandn Why should my taxes go to funding a home owner to install batteries on their house? No thanks.
If my taxes are going to go to something, it should be a government run solar farm with batteries, not someone else's project that they and they alone profit from.
@@davidbrayshaw3529 Any different to the existing solar incentive program? Considering there have been conversations of forcing private home owners whom have installed solar and batteries to export to the grid, which could only make sense if the government reimberse in some way. The owner (at least in WA) gets no incentive to export to the grid. I have a limited 5KW AC output as imposed by Western Power (Government entity), by adhering to their limit I get paid for export. I get 7c/kwh during a 3 hour peak window, and 1c/kwh outdside the peak window. In comparison, they charge at teh lowest off peak, 8.4c/kwh, 25-26c/kwh standard and 51-52c/kwh during peak.
The next issue is grid cabling. The backend infrastructure rolled out in many suburbs only manages the small loads estimated as required for inbounds power. They now have realised and prevent many people from exporting to the grid due to the power levels generated by the neighbourhood exceeding what they can carry back to other areas of the grid.
Both options will likely be required;
large batteries located at local sub stations, not just large power plants. smaller batteries on homes - which will allow for more even export of power based on demand, instead of running risk of exceeding cable ratings while the sun is out.
Western Australia's land mass is 4 x the size of Texas
And a small fraction of the populattion.
@@rogerphelps9939 Though a larger mining footprint... At least the mines are starting to put solar systems in for their own power generation. Some of the remote mine siste run their own large scale power generation plants, and supply power to the nearby towns too. So good to see them switching to solar.
MegaPack China + Darwin solar farm = game changer. Once Indonesia starts getting solar power it will be the go to place for investment in the region. This will create so many jobs that can then have the workers use their experience to install even more solar in the east. Going to be amazing.
Tesla megabucks have reduced in price but lithium has dropped 60% over the last 6 quarters. That has to have had a big impact on profits.
Only on profit for the lithium miners. Tesla BUYS, not sells, lithium carbonate so have made a lot of profit from the price falls. But then remember Tesla is, worldwide, now one of the smaller producers of batteries. They are absolutely dwarfed by CATL.
It's a lot better to add local batteries to residential solar installations. Who needs the grid... No single point of failure.
Looking forward to your solar system video. No doubt it will put my 18 panels system to shame 😉
I'm guessing at least 24... :)
:)
It is not only the grid batteries that are going to make a difference. It will also be coming from EVs that are Vehicle to Grid capable and set to participate and it will be the virtual power plant using home batteries. Massive changes coming to make solar work.
I highy dissagree here. Most EV owners will want all the power they can get for their commutes. I don't expect many will want to power homes from them. Only those whom don';t drive much will be keen to do this, due to charge times, etc. Might change in a few years with faster charging, but most EV's are setup to power a few appliances, not power the grid.
The EVs would have to be charged.during daylight hours. Funny, that is when they are parked at work or out driving the misses on a shopping expedition.
Cheap batteries will solve the intermittent problems with solar panels. One of the challenges left is apartment blocks where the roof belongs to the body corporate. I live in one and would happily pay to get my solar panels on their roof. Then I could back it up with a Tesla battery on my balcony, and also charge my Tesla Model Y car. When will body corporates learn ?
Someone better tell Dutton (climate denier and nuclear power enthusiast) about renewable power.
WA is vast, it is the second biggest subnational division after Yakutia in Russia (which itself is just a little smaller than India) Iamgine the potential production and storage capacity of Australia.
Congrats on your new solar panels. Tell us who should get a power wall? How long do they take to pay for themselves or do they?
They are a ripoff and do not pay for themdselves. You can buy an EV wih an 80kwh battery for £40k or less so if you have one with VTG you are quids in.
Fantastic to see thermal generation being phased out. Coal generation needs roughly 2000 litres of water per MWh. Water is a precious resource in Australia, do the generation companies pay market rates for their water ?
Yeah they do. And they then pass it on to us.
thanks for info we need v2g or v2l from tesla those batteries are just setting there
My Ca bill is telling me electricity is getting more expensive? Rates went up 20% June 1. It’s like you are on another planet. You’re not going to get EV adoption with escalating rates.
@@fredkite9330 CALIFORNIA?
@@fredkite9330 Calcium
What's going on? Someone must be making big profits ...
Get solar on your roof and then you can forget about your Ca bill
One of the biggest issues with solar and wind is that they are intermittent, while demand is continual. That means that backup generation (typically fossil) needs to be kept on inefficient standby. This results in overall increased costs. Batteries are too expensive to solve the cost problem. Poor people suffer as a result.
“. . . a naïve observer might conclude that the rising share of new renewables (solar and wind) will usher in an era of falling electricity prices. But in reality, the opposite has been true.” Vaclav Smil, Numbers Don’t Lie, p.172
thats the future right there
I love your work , am waiting for virtual power plants to role out across Australia… a win win is approaching
Domestic RE system installers in NSW are suffering a downturn in requests for home battery installations. Homeowners are waiting until Nov when a new Govt rebate scheme commences.
www.energy.nsw.gov.au/households/rebates-grants-and-schemes/household-energy-saving-upgrades/residential-battery-incentives
But yes, the scheme is designed to help overcome the duck curve.
You need to look at energy wholesalers like Amber in Australia. You get the market rate for your feed in Tariff.
You can also configure your inverter to curtail generation when the FIT is low or negative. Much better than a VPP as you control it.
None of this exists in Western Australia
What industries uses a lot of Electricity. Aluminum takes lots of energy to produce this product. Australia should take advantage of their natural resource. Make Aluminum and any other product that uses Electricity. To give you an idea it takes 17,000 kilowatt hour. or kwh to produce one tonne of alumininum. No brainer has lots of resource. Go Australia make a living doing this. Tesla will love you
Hard to run a alum. plant for 10 hours a day.
@@kkarllwt Why not? Furthermore you can make batteries that use aluminium metal. They are nott rechargeable but have very high capacities. Used battteries are returned tto the electric smelter to produce more metal. Aluminium metal is a much beter energy carrier than hydrogen. Using aluminium you can have limitless storage capacity.
By deploying as much solar as possible and encouraging home batteries to use all that energy during the day to charge them we could have cheap power very quickly....
Will these batteries be enough to run the heavy industries that consume electricity 24/7 in Western Australia? Worsley Alumina refinery, Boddington gold mine etc. I hope so but that is a lot of power.
Maybe we can regulate for more solar installations to be East/West facing to spread the generation
Wondering what it will be like as these batteries reach the end of their service life.
I haven't come across any projections on this yet.
How much for a battery only grid system I wonder for Australia.
500 MW…. Isn't the California power pack 10,000 MW? I'm confused
So this huge battery can only hold 20% of the energy needs of Perth, where home batteries could provide 90%. And would be cheaper for consumers. Big batteries are great for Tesla shareholders, like you, but not for consumers.
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How many battery capacity would be needed to fulfill Australia's peak electricity demand?
Would it be possible to deploy the required battery storage within the next decade.
Australia gets a gigantic battery in Western Australia, in months but a Snowy River 2, pumped hydro for ten times the cost over twelve years?
How big is the battery? Is it 200 Megawatt hours or 800? I can't quit figure that out. Western Australi consumes 16.5 Gigawatt hours of power, per day. Let's hope that it's an 800 Gigawatt hour battery that they're installing.
Australia has a huge area and intense sunshine. Solar with batteries will take over.
Around noon on July 10, huge parts of the nation’s fastest-growing large city were 120 degrees Fahrenheit, about 49 degrees Celsius, or hotter to the touch. Had you been unlucky or unwise enough to actually touch one of these surfaces with bare skin, it could have caused injury within minutes. On the city’s desert fringes, in territory governed by Native American nations, the land was even hotter, 150 degrees or more. So far this summer, the Arizona Burn Center, which serves Phoenix and the broader Southwest, has admitted 65 people for severe heat-related burns, according to Dr. Kevin Foster, the center’s director. Six of these people died from their injuries. Last summer, the center recorded 14 such deaths. Yet even that figure is small compared with the 645 heat-related deaths that were identified last year in Maricopa County, which includes Phoenix. That was the highest number on record for the county. This year, the county has so far reported 23 heat-related deaths and is investigating 322 more. What’s clear, he said, is the need to figure it out quickly. “Heat deaths are climbing faster than any of our investments to prevent them,” he said. And human-caused global warming keeps increasing the frequency and intensity of dangerous heat waves. “We’re chasing a moving target very slowly,” he said.
Phoenix is doomed.
I'll never understand why they don't build a solar panel canopy over the batteries to help keep them cool
Makes replacing a bat hard
I always thought they should be underground, where it's cooler and safer from natural disasters.
Sam you are a hopeless we need firmed power!
You said your doing a video on the solar you got? Yes please i want to hear about what you got and the price please like the 3 phase connect price to, and any info on a good storage also? I narrowed it down to a 20k leaf about 40kw??
Gudday mate
Thx for the video. Like you, I believe in battery-storage.
But there's a problem for Tesla, as they don't produce their own 'LFP-cells'.
Companies like CATL and BYD, will soon offer these systems (imo) at much cheaper cost (as they produce the cells themselves).
In contrast to cars, there's a lot less 'software' necessary to run these storage-batteries.
So (imo), I don't think this (big) business will be dominated by Tesla.
Absolutely right. Tesla is jus tn unnecessary greedy middleman.
Badderee? are they anything like batteries, spelt with two tees.
Cunderdin Plant in WA about to come online
I am at the point of from being on grid to totally off grid due to the poor feed in tariffs, wonder how many have a big enough solar system and battery storage to totally forget the grid?, I have a 15kw system feeding the grid with a 6.5kwh battery and a off grid 8kw solar system with 52 kwh battery soon to become 68 kwh of battery
It depends entirely on where you live and whether you plan tto use electricity for home heating.
@@rogerphelps9939 I live in Bathurst area which is cold climate in Australia, it will be used for everything including home heating
Great news.
"....Almost like Texas"
Umm no! WA is wayyyyyyyyy bigger than Texas... like 4 times the size of Texas!
Can't wait for this so I can tell the people that say " your charging your car from a coal !!" Not really ( I also use my solar when possible.)🌞
Australia - abundant solar and wind.
Also Australia - meh... let's use oil, gas and coal for the giggles.
This is why I don't have solar. Between governments and insurance companies someone will find a way to make sure the little guy doesn't get ahead. They just want us to buy the hardware and lose money on it.
You have a very strange way of thinking. Every kwh that you get from your solar panels is one less hat you will need to buy from your grid supplier.
@@rogerphelps9939 You will save some money each month only to have to get it back in taxes and insurance premiums. It's getting to the point where insurance is more than my total power bill for the year.
thought you guys already had a big Tesla battery
Finally, a video after a lull of nearly 5 days.
I hope all is well 🤔
Why aren't more people in Australia getting together and buying solar parks, mega battery storage, wind mill parks, hydrogen factories, etc. and you'll probably need some new nuclear power plants
who is going to invent the EXTINGUISHER TO put these batteries out WHEN THEY CATCH FIRE ???
Nice one Sam, 20% of daily demand for the state is mind blowing!
Batteries have transformed CA's electricity supply? Nope, as of 17:55, 23 July in CA, gas is providing 49.2% of supply, batteries 7.3%.
And solar? The sun will nott have set at 17:55 on 23rd of July.
Alkali metal fires for everyone! 🎉
Beats having oil spills and gas fires.
As a realist, specific rare events will occur more frequently as we scale up. I hope we have the engineering tools to mitigate risks, as a lot of energy is stored in these systems. Should a battery onset arise, you might be able to arrest it. Then what do you do short of decommissioning the battery and re testing it and the downtime.
So what you are saying about coal is not 100% true. It will reduce coal powered generation in Australia, but it's increasing coal powered generation in China. Plus these batteries use a synthetic graphite which is derived from oil. They do this for efficiency rather than using an inferior product that is more environmentally friendly. Such as natural graphite.
You can make graphite from biomass, anything containing carbon. some companies are producing synthetic diamonds using carbon from atmospheric CO2.
@rogerphelps9939 I would assume that each of these methods are more expensive & that why they are using petroleum by products. My point is that it's no use producing electric vehicles on a high carbon footprint. That is just continuing with what caused the problem in the first place. There should be tighter legislation on how new technologies are introduced instead of more of the same. That's going to lead to lower profits & less return for investors, but we need to make the transition.
Australia is so far behind with large scale batteries. Curtailing solar is just a travesty.
I have over 8kW and that gets constrained all the time. It's a joke.
Why don't you find yourself a EV battery from a totaled car and hook it up DIY to your solar and go off-grid?
Australia don't waste your solar resource, I offer you a possible business to enrich the people of Australia. Read further
Finally something real. Please focus on reality.
@@fredkite9330
Anyone can watch this channel. Appreciation and criticism is part of it.
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Sam does not like reality. He does not even understand what it takes to provide electric power each and every day for all 24 hours. He needd to go to work for a utility trying to figure out how Australia is going to meet all their power requirements for every month of the year.
What about the cost of these big batteries. South Australia’s cost 90 million dollars and can only last 1.3 hrs. At that rate we would need 18 big batteries in South Australia to firm their power grid for 24 hrs and cost 1.6 trillion dollars. Then there is the rest of Australia. We will go bankrupt in no time. The only answer is nuclear!!
Wrong. You have got your sums wrong.
June 2024: Tesla MEGA
July 2024: Tesla MAGA
It will NOT work.
Who else loathes Gavin Newsom?!.
Just you haters who crash even battery videos.
Those that do are in a small minority.
I don’t know how you can see this UA-camr It. Is pure Tesla propaganda. . I not know how much money Elon Musk give to this gay or guy , but it is ridiculous..
sam you talk too much BS
Unfortunately the fundamental principles of electricity or base load, especially for industry are not addressed.
Furthermore someone has to pay for these batteries ,hence power prices wont go down ,they will go up!
Please explain the base load for the 60 days the sun does not shine.
Figures and data please .
As the old saying says ....Talk is cheap!
Go get em Sam