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Hi, I got 99.95 %ile in Cat'23, got into IIM Bangalore. It has been a struggle ever since. Despite doing extremely well academically in the first term, I couldn't even get a single shortlist till now because Companies pay high emphasis on Diversity and your past scores. That is reason IIMB selection process has been designed that way
In the West MBAs are a lot more uncommon. Universities and business schools don't just let anybody pay money and complete their MBAs. They understand that the power of an MBA is its exclusivity and the high reputation of the awarding university or business school. You have to be the best of the best of post graduate students to be accepted into it. Also you have to be solidly pursuing or have had in a career in business already in order to be eligible to do an MBA. In India and other South Asian countries you have someone who's done for example chemical engineering or psychology or multimedia studdies then doing an MBA! What the hell do those fields of graduation have to do with pursuing an MBA? Plus in Indian colleges, universities and business schools which lets face it are rather low quality anyone can sign up for an MBA as long as they have money to pay for it. I've been to India a few times and it seems like even the rickshawalla, panipuri and panwalla have an MBA for Christs sake. And when you question these MBA holders specifically about things like business development strategy, etc they don't know shit! They can at best just rote repeat words they've learnt in books without any comprehension of what they mean or their practical implications or applications! You change the context of your question to one not directly taught to them then they can't give you a correct answer derived logocally from first principles! It's a joke...... THEY are a joke!
I am CEO of the company but I'm afraid I have to disagree with your facts It is the fault of the student who thought an MBA is a guarantee of success I found IIM students useless and Non-IIM Students excellent so its depend on how the person is
@@ayushgarg8316 Why a diversity is a problem? You see highest diversity in engineers, you see majority of engineers in civil services, BFSI sector, Management Consultant, Engineering and IT and even occupying majority seats in MBA colleges. You can pursue Mtech or llb, there You won't see diversity Mtech is exclusively for engineers but I haven't seen any art or bcom student complaining about it.
Foreigner in India here! I am a CEO for a foreign company in India for the last 6 years. Have this position in India for two companies now. I don’t care if employees have a MBA or whatever. The problem I see is that Indian students know everything, but they are not able to connect the learned in real life. Education and culture is failing you. All of the students are school smart, but are not able to implement it. In my personal opinion only 1 out of 100 can compete to a western student in real life applications. They are trained to be submissive mules
It’s not just submissive mules who can’t define their boundaries, it is also the inability to connect and sequence tasks to get the job finished. The boss has to sequence and connect it for them, basically tell them everything to get the job done, basically micromanaging. Therefore the micromanagers qualify as bosses big time. The concept of initiative is also non existent along with the ability to follow process. Work isn’t process driven rather impulse driven.
Agree. Indian employer here. The obsession on marks is crazy and people have a tendency to equate it with ability. Original thought is not rewarded (in fact it is often penalised), though rote learning is (which is why they *seem* to know everything). There is also a tendency of worshipping credentials. I have stopped looking at academic credentials at all and use how CVs are presented to shortlist recruits now.
Its true -- Submissive Mules -- bit harsh -- Hence students are told to CONFIRM to some one higher up Parents / Teacher / Boss etc.. This wiring of mind has made us always look out for some boss and " Give" us job and pay .. This is cultural issue .. You need to interact with our Plumbers / elecrtricians etc.. -- They are simply great skilled people work for very less .. Do not compare those people who speak English -- There is 85% people who do business in India can not speak in English -- But they do gerat business ..
How did u become a CEO ? Also indian companies want a superman to work for them, & it favors experienced candidates. What u mentioned is typical for fresh students, there are no proper mentors or teachers in jobs.
India has so many engineers that if we don't produce even a single engineer for next 7-8 years we would be good. Learnt that hard way during my time at engineering.
True. Even with diversity 90% students are engineers and 20% are women. The sheer number of engineers applying for MBA is huge but companies dont just need MBA grads with engineering background. Many need Doctors, CA's,architects and so on. And these still are less than 10% people. As for women, women consistently outperform men in GDPIs . Also women and people who are not engineers are among the ones who get hired in first 3 days ,engineers are often the omes who are in pool of unhired candidates so this person is making BS video.
@@XoxososowiBecause Indian society treat Engineering grads as money making machine so that put them in situation where they have to justify their position.. Society should free engineers and let them do whatever they want, dude they are engineers they can do anything in their life or join any job market instead of always in pressure to earn High always. Engineerings can solve product related problems especially if it is more on technical but they are not going to solve any non product related or human related problems any differently
The best Line" You will stop working for 2 years and on top of it, pay fee for it, for what though, to get a half decent chance of the job you get that will probably pay you the same, what you earn now." 🔥🔥
I think it's the high time to stop relying only on the placements and equally invest energy in off campus placements be it in MBA colleges because you never know what job market will become like by the time you graduate
it is very bad situation .we are doing more and more practice every day and every night for getting above 99 so we will select in iim but student who select through reservation , they are selecting same iim with 90 to 95 ile. it very painful.
She said many points related to work experience , academic score, gender, engineers crowd but still you somehow chose reservation as the main enemy. It's the company who wants people with varied work ex but still you chose reservation
@@gouravdamor8001 i just talk about how percentile affects, i am not telling anything but dont read all things and just read reservation and comment it
@@gouravdamor8001 that's because reservation is making a huge difference than any other points mentioned. One can get into IIM banglore without any worked but if u domt get a call what will u do???
My honest opinion is that MBA as a degree in itself is useless. I prepared for GMAT , good a decent score and got selected in a top university abroad for their 1 year MBA which I found way better than the IIM's. But then I have decided to pursue computational mathematics and programming which was always my passion in engineering. This has taught me more skills and opened more doors than any top tier MBA can ever do. As someone wisely said "A MBA is just a costly networking event with extra steps."
I agree with both of you MBA is losing its importance. As a student, I have encountered many classmates who only speak about the salary package rather than upskilling themselves. I think it is high time we realize upskilling is as crucial as drinking water in the present job market.
Exactly man. Even in extremely skill based domains like design (which I am currently pursuing a master's,) people's obsession with college placement and package size over their actial level of skill is insane. Just can't understand people these days.
People are sick of disgusting office politics in India. There is no "upskilling" with jobs that people get at entry level. They torture young people...and the kind of quid pro quo I have seen in offices...my comment might get deleted for saying it here. Absolutely disgusting and terrifying. Filled with creeps. That's why MBA is needed. Its "upskilling" without selling licking boots of very unskilled TL in some BS company and tolerating their bullying...
I made sure my son has citizenship of other country. What I have gone through being male of general category, I don’t want my son to face the same. I hope he would appreciate it later in his life.
My classmate got 87%-ile and she was expecting no call, but she got selected in IIM-Rohtak. Another classmate got 98%-ile and was rejected from all IIM. He was a general-male candidate. He did his MBA from US. American universities are also implementing DEI and reservation like policies like in India. So if anyone is looking to do MBA, do it from US before it is too late.
Everyone on UA-cam is talking about career in IIT, IIM , Engineering,Doctor, MBA, Business because they can get views No one is talking about real science education, career in P.hd, research, scientist etc
But it is as lengthy as it gets and the job market is almost non-existent in India. You have to shift to Europe if you want to get Decent pay in the research line or Just start your own coaching centre. I am in it and I am scared.
The reason why the Big dawgs are struggling to place the students is not because there are no jobs in the market, Its beacause the companies have finally woken up from the deep slumber where they were willing to pay a management summer Intern upwards of 4 lakhs for 2 months of work and 33+ lakhs for full time hiring. The B schools and the coaching mafia in their greed to intake more students have all colluded together to sell a pill that there exists another magical degree that will somehow give you that dream package and have therefore were on a race to increase both the batch size and the tuition fees.
@subhamkumarsah933 along with recession also top b schools like IIM BLACKIS, FMS, SPJIMR and XLRI are able to have 100% placements. The big dogs are still worth going to if you have decent work ex or past academics
The top performers would get good placements either way! B schools are a transformative experience for sure, the ROI isn’t immediate but what you make out of it
8:54 engineers studied maths and analytics throughout their grad. Thus way they easily score good in dilr and QA. For non enggs its difficult to compete with them.
It's got more to do with Engineering entrance exams. Engineering curricula is quite 'bookish'. It's the prep for Engineering that makes most engineers OP for CAT and standardized testing. As they are not "upper class" and trying to make their way up, the system sets up additional barriers. GEMs need to drop out early from scam education system and get into business before 21.
@@Tum_Tum_ for non engineers especially commerce with maths student can easily tackle qa and dilr no problem for them for non maths comerce students it's a bit tough but they can also easily crack with 1 month prep from good Quant books lol
@@vikramaditya2898 no. im a design student and i can't. stop speaking from a perspective you don't have. I am scoring a 99.5 percentile in VARC but drastically low in quant.
@@ayusshhhhhhh all commerce with maths students can. they take maths cause they are toppers😂😂 . Many don't prepare for cat that's the problem. Maybe nowadays cause of that only many commerce students are getting enrolled in IIMs nowadays
Please don't do your MBA here in India, Go abroad, Take a risk, you'll get job over there, atleast their ROI is amazing, don't worry about their taxes because you can pay your loan amount in 2-3 yrs only...India is not for highly educated peoples, it's for uneducated contractors/ local politicians/their childrens, Highly educated people don't get any respect here, these contractors are laughing at their salaries, leave this country forever...I know lot of people don't like my comment but it's a harsh truth, we shouldn't have to ignore it 😊
No, you're quite right. It's this whole contractor - govt engineers - govt officials - politician nexus. They're literally making 10 to 100 more than top graduates and masters degree holders.
@@danlightened Well, You need to understand why they're make 10 times more than private industry workers, they make it with the help of taking bribes, Is this a legal way of making money?..At the time of Govt exam interview, they said, " We're coming in the government sector because we want to do something great for people"..reality is they want to earn more money that's why they want to join government job..Do you know who give more tax to this country?..it's Private Industry Workers...Do you hear any private industry workers give some expensive things to Sai baba temple or any god temples?...No, right...who are these people then?..these people are black money makers, they avoid taxes, that's why they give higher amount of black money to temples?..I already told you this country is running by which kind of peoples 😊
The harsh truth is that the Indian education system produces dumb creatures who call themselves highly educated. In India or abroad they live like slaves. They are trained to be slaves. These slaves don't have skills to tackle uneducated street smart guys who know how to bend the system.
@@connectTheDots-yo2cyIIM yes not IIM A no As said it isn't worth doing MBA if you are not in top IIM A because lower ones have average CTC close to my engineering college in 2nd tier city And I personally think EWS is useless because like before general category had 50% seats now it also have 50% you just devided between 40% general + 10% general EWS it would make matrit for general higher and lower for EWS but it doesn't change anything for rest and average would be same as before Im not against all reservations but this is just, Govt giving lollypop because we know how fake income certificates are in india that's one of the reason you can't give reservation based on income group insted to Jati
Counter argument to anything below tier 1 MBA is not worth it. I went to a tier 2 Bschool post Btech and spent ~15lacs for my MBA. My first job paid me ~11lacs and in 2.5 years I was able to get ~25 lacs. My first job after Engineering would have paid be ~3-4 lacs and today I would have made 12-15 lacs maybe. So I got a 2x jump with an MBA. This trend also applies to most of my batchmates who are earning anywhere between 15-40 lacs today. What I'm trying to say here is that the growth post MBA is good for most average folks out there. Chasing the IIM dream is good, but many people are better off getting an MBA from a decent bschool. ROI is good over a 5 year period.
Hello Rohit bhaiya, should joining a company and gaining some experience just after btech and then applying for MBA would be a better option or rather doing mba just after the btech ? Would be good if you can share your insights about this
Its our mindset, we celebrate the US Ivey league for prioritizing individual`s growth story, Work Exp, extra curricular, social work over GMAT score. But for Indian B-school we want aptitude exams to be the whole and sole for admissions. This should change ASAP, if aptitude was the only requirement to excel in business/business education US B-school should not have faired better in producing a better crop.
Being a 22-24 MBA grad from a tier 2 B- School, I can relate so well, I spent around 16 lakhs on 2 year MBA, and got a job that pays me 8LPA (50k/month). I could have used that money elsewhere. Kudos to your channel for bringing this out, what a way to disclose the reality, which everyone should know before they make a decision.
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I did my MBA from IIM Shillong. Yes the numbers in brochures are inflated but the point on basic salary is not valid. My basic salary is currently about 30% of my overall inhand compensation. Not sure why that is the case Also, diversity is a double edged sword - yes merit is better than diversity for diversity’s sake, but diversity is also appreciated in the job market and in corporate as well. This is true to the extend that few B schools boast of having the best diversity. For example, I remember speaking to NMIMS folks during mba how the girls on campus got the best offers even though they weren’t the most meritorious - but that’s what the companies wanted to hire, so who are we to judge merit just by CAT score? Also, I’m not an engineer or from a fancy undergrad but I would be in the top 10% of my batch easily.. CAT can’t be treated as the best benchmark of smarts.. I know a person with 99%ile get a one year repeat because he wasn’t that good in academics and wasn’t very disciplined
@@shivamshankhdhar89 Most engineers don't have any employable skills. The IT service companies are the only ones that can employ those engineers. Many engineers don't even want to upskill. Everyone wants jobs but very few are willing to upskill for it. On top of that we have recession going on.
IIM Bangalore has the best criteria, MBA should be done post some work experience, not as fresher. No wonder it produces max startups in the country. Now, to answer the questions in the description, MBA is surely the key to success even today in 2024, when market forces are down, even if done from a Tier 2 college. See even if you score 99.9 percentile, you might not be selected in the top IIMs but you surely would get selected in let's say MDI- Gurgaon or XLRI which are still in the league of the top tier B-Schools in the country. MBA will provide you with once in lifetime opportunity for a good life/life without financial worries. Don't let anyone else fool you
Exactly 💯 totally agree with you These guys just to want make fool of people and earn money. So they are just making such misleading videos which have no sense. Guess they don't have any other work to do in life, lol
Same here, 99.94 percentile GEM fresher when I had given cat. Didn't get admission into any top IIMs. (Slightly also due to not-so-good CPI in college and interview performance.). The video sums up the selection process and thought process of a candidate quite well
Bruh I am GEM with 99%. I got in one of BLACKI. I know a GEM who got in with 90%ile and many in between in IIM indore ,Kohikode and Lucknow You just gave bad GDPI that's all.
It kind of does though... I have seen engineering students (4th year students included) dropout of their colleges after deciding to do an MBA. Just because of gaining diversity points, they repeat college from either open uni or normal universities with arts and commerce degrees and believe it or not, a few of them got in as well. The selection process in itself is quite bogus where you are comparing students on grade 10 and 12 results also... Very poor because of the system that has been put down here. But I do get the fact that in a country like India, an MBA boosts you up the corporate ladder 20x. Edit* AN MBA FROM A TOP 20-30 B SCHOOL*
@nikhilnain5360 True, it's a very poor system they have put down in place... nowhere in this world, universities prioritise 10th and 12th marks for mba admissions. Yes , they can ADD value to your profile, but adding value to someone's profile doesn't mean devaluing someone else who didn't score well
@@swarali1365 In South India , still people think like that . I had all A+ in 10th . My teacher literally was broken from inside when I told her that I was planning to pursue commerce in 11th Standard ( so that I can pursue CA) . She was not even trying to hide her disappointment
I mean India is a shit hole because of this thinking right here. You don't see people in other countries categorising any of these majors as you have now. All of the subjects contribute to society and even people pursuing arts in other countries are better off than an average engineering grad here in India.
@@Slay963 We Indians have a thing for dividing everything into hierarchy based tribalistic order (caste) I don't think people are able to accept things and people as they are
@@Nopeyes1 there are around 31000 judiciary officials in India whereas there are 5.1 crore cases in India.... Bharat ke population ke hisab se kafi kam judges hai India ke paas... Isliye ISRO jyada better choice hai comparison karne ke liye...
My Son with with 99.4 percentile did not got call from top 5 and he was with good experience.score in X and X|| failed him ,it is a joke what is the purpose of CAT ,see any other top exam like IIT or Civil service,it is all about exam score
1) B Schools are only concerned about average salary. Once 50% of the batch is placed they won't be bothered about the quality of companies coming next. They will allow companies to offer any package. Even at IIM Bangalore, the lowest package can dip to 4 LPA. 2) Also, the colleges consider total offers in counting the placement. If the batch has 100 students, and 120 job offers but only 80 students are placed, the B School will notoriously ask those leftover students to opt out as they are not concerned about placing all students and they will show 100% placements as already they have received 100+ offers. 3) MBA is just glorified sales. Most profiles are Banking/Insurance sales only 4) For an IT employee, especially the general one, it's far better to move out of INDIA or switch jobs. So many countries offer free education and there is no reservation as well. Even in INDIA good software developers are getting 20 LPA easily after switching
Bro how do u even know that the lowest package of iim b may dip to 4 lakh?...a chunk of salary can be variable but definitely they will get paid...nobody from top 10 colleges get salaries that bad...if they get it or they are forced to opt out it's because they wasted their 2 years learning and doing nothing acting like a bum and nothing else...plus saying most profiles are banking/insurance is another bs u are talking about...and about software developers they either have to be good or have to be from top iits/nit or other colleges to get a high paying job...u have to have the skill...the no of software developers getting the amount vs total no of software developer that are there in the country is very less...so u can't blame MBAs...it's similar everywhere
@@sphinxyt5583 My bro is studying in IIM and he knows the reality. There are both sides, some are getting crores and multiple offers while some are not even getting placed. Most companies ask GD, and in GD even if you are a talented gold medalist from IIT Delhi you will surely lose out to some good-looking girl from DELHI who may not be as intelligent as you but can speak better English and perform in GD. "nobody from the top 10 colleges gets salaries that bad" There are many. In fact, lots of students opt out because the placement committee refuse to bring companies to the leftover batch, the institute only shows average and highest salaries not the bottom 10% or the minimum salary. ".if they get it or they are forced to opt out it's because they wasted their 2 years learning and doing nothing acting like a bum and nothing else" MBA is just a grooming parlour, they are mere placement agencies, its curriculum is chilled, GPA doesn't matter in placements, subjects like marketing and open book exams so don't need much study, most students are focused on networking and extracurriculars, it's not Engineering where your intelligence matters and have tough exams where you are solving tough mathematics problems. MBA is all your looks, personality, and speaking skills. And people are placed because of the brand name only. "plus saying most profiles are banking/insurance is another bs u are talking about" Most profiles are Sales, ask any IIM guy. They can just glorify by saying different job titles but eventually, they all are selling products to customers. No one will hire them as CEOs or management teams straight away. I know one guy from IIM A placed in ITC, his job is to go to villages and acquire business. He is always travelling and living in villages where there is no access to electricity and water. Otherwise, you are hired in IT consulting and you will see some engineer with no MBA degree is also a Consultant and getting even more package than you, an IIM grad. So why waste 2 years , 30 lacs in an education where you and a tier 3 Engineer are on the same page. If your ego is hurt by doing small things like selling some insurance and you can't handle rude customers then better not go for MBA. "and about software developers, they either have to be good or have to be from top iits/nit or other colleges to get a high paying job'' You can learn coding, DSA, and upskill, so many moved from 4 LPA to 40 LPA. But in MBA you can't make frequent jumps or upskill. If you start with a very low package or you can't satisfy customers you will be stuck at the same level and can even get fired. "the no of software developers getting the amount vs total no of software developer that are there in the country is very less'' What about the MBAs. There are tons of MBA colleges in INDIA. I am sure there are enough tech jobs because of outsourcing but not everyone can become a manager or do sales. That's why an MBA degree is worthless nowadays. There is a much greater abundance of MBAs as compared to Software Engineers. More engineers are making 20 LPA as compared to MBAs making 20 LPA.
Out of India colleges are free for their native citizens, for most Indians (except those getting scholarship), they are the cash cows for the universities
@@rh334 that’s completely foolish . They need to take care of every student and they do in good b schools . Iim b has never dipped to 4 lakhs ever and never will . Colleges have to show much more figures than just avg package which require that all students do well . Maybe you couldn’t make it to iimb so you are creating fake scenarios in your head to feel good about it but stop coping .
2:45 You said that IIM Udaipur stopped auditing the reports. They have just released the latest audited reports of 1 year courses and the internship of 2025 batch. Hope you take back your statement when they release the latest audited report of 2 year batch and complete the entire auditing process for the year.
People with 99.7% are not getting calls from many IIMs but some so called special people are sitting there in best MBA colleges in India with their 77% score. These people will get selected directly to big firms such as BCG, Bain, P&G, at an exorbitant salary. All the while a more deserving candidate will be forced to to persue MBA from a mediocre Tier 2 college struggling to secure a good job in a good company because good companies are distant dream in these colleges.
The guy got calls from IIM A and IIM C, but couldn't clear. Don't blame the system for not getting in, you were given a fair shot. The interview is the fair chance, you prove your mettle or you're out. If you got 99.92 percentile and were not even given an interview call, I'd blame the system and say that's unfair. Loveena, also, you must understand that IIMs are institutions which place a lot of emphasis on holistic selection of candidates - which means the candidates must be academically smart AS WELL AS have personality. We see so many students get into the Engineering crowd while they do not even know why they want to do engineering, and its fairly simple, cross the minimum cuttoff and you're in. IIMs look for everything - which is why they have a three pronged admission criteria - CAT, WAT, and PI. Also, please broaden your sample size from just one candidate and get anecdotes from IIM alums as well - that would limit any self-limiting bias you may have when you conduct primary research. - IIM Grad.
Well showing one sided argument is the best way of getting views😆 only 6-7k students gets into a decent B-shool rest 3 lakh balme the system and youtubers like her (and many other like CATking) just understand this really well.
That's actually bs that a lot of people feed, even if you give a stellar interview the final selection is based on pi + diversity marks, it's publically available information. A good interview can only get you so far, depends on college on how far it can get you
@@ayushsinghchauhan9558bruh India literally has the least women participating in workforce even less than Saudi Arabia. The diversity score is really essential till we have atleast 40% women in workforce.
@@Xoxososowi I meant academic diversity as well, also not saying I am against gender diversity, just that 'selection depends solely on interview' is an out of touch notion that is dangerously misleading
finally a sensible comment. ive stopped engaging in any study related content that isnt directly academics online be it reddit or youtube and especially instagram. r/jeeneetards, r/catprep, r/jee, r/upsc etc are all filled with frustrated and mostly failed students blaming everything they can to reduce their personal guilt.
When they elaborated on how engineers usually have better Students because thats how society perceives students, is where they hit the nail on the head. You usually dont expect such good insights from youtube videos . Well crafted
the students who took admission in iims as placement agencies gonna get that low package and the students who actually want to level up and pay attention to make most out of it can get a very good package..
I am a general female Philosophy hons student, although it would work in my favour in the selection time, tu it hurts that the very own purpose of selecting the cream is getting faded. The concept of diversity has just fucked up many institutions. Thank you so much for making this video
Just take the benefit. Since when did women are worried about men? Go and enjoy your privilege, oops sorry , equality . In engineering colleges also girls with CGPA in 7’s are getting selected over boys with CGPA in 9’s forget about those boys who have it in 7’s and 8’s. Recently saw a result of summer internships result for software engineering role where only one boy was selected and rest 14 were girls in the top 15 list. But the fact that men are more in ratio in engineering. I myself have solved around 300 questions on a platform that proves your problem solving skills and that site is to develop actual skills but a girl who has solved only 30 questions got selected for an internship. But I am struggling. Reality of so called gender preference or diversity bullshit. Anyway you don’t have to worry about men. Let them rot. You enjoy your so called “equality “.
Education is not about getting into the Best Institution It's about being Resourceful and No Matter What the Situation Maybe, Still Finding a way to Make Money
The problem with us indians is that most of us come from middle class backgrounds so we don't hav the luxury of just focusing on learning whatever we like. Getting a good paying job is mandatory for us bcz of various personal-financial-societal reasons. And that's where higher educational institutions in India take the role of placement centre instead of cultivating highly knowledgeable skills among the youths.
@@vasugamerz7348 It Only Matters to some Extent. I know a Person who is making $450k Dollars Per Year in USA at Age 39, When He Studied from a Tier 3 B-School in India. He Comes from a Lower Middle Class Family Many IIM ABC Graduates Also Don't Make That Much at Age 40.
You completely missed the other reasons why people do an MBA: 1. for family/ personal status. 2. fullfill mba requirement for promotion. 3. To enhance their marriage prospects. 4. Bragging rights for the family/ person
Why are we overlooking the fact that meritocracy is a lie, a person coming from a marginalised background especially with such cascading dimensions as being rural, being female etc faces huge disadvantages in a country as casteist and now classist/patriarchal as India is, getting a 99%ile does not make you vastly different from someone in the 80-90%, it’s a simple thing called law of diminishing marginal returns? It’s a good thing that corporates are hiring more females which has further incentivised top MBA programs to hire more women into their cohorts. You all keep crying about top IIMs not giving you admissions. At the end of the day, they are government institutions meant for advancing welfare interests for all, media like yours caters to a small bubble who can afford a smartphone and stable internet and can understand English (that makes up barely less than 5-10% of actual Indian population.) I can’t even begin to unpack how discriminatory and unethical the high caste crowd in these top institutes are and how culturally alienated people from marginalised backgrounds can feel. This is a highly complicated issue because privilege in India is way more nuanced than the simple white/Poc binary seen in the west, there are so many intersectional facets that we simply choose to ignore because we are not exposed to these issues and continue to live in a bubble. Let’s be kinder and focus on having a healthy discourse as opposed to coming up with simplistic takes that are further diving a politically explosive nation that seems to continuously be on the edge as seen through the vitriolic spewed by Pundits and Politicians on new channels and rallies.
That is why corporate classes throughout the world are greedy and self perpetuating, ignoring the larger public interest. Corporates want corporate majdoor and these people fit in that filter. Ratan Tata ji has proved that compassionate capitalism is possible along with profits and company growth. But these bloody fools just want a meritocracy and profit driven mindset at the cost of societal well being and larger national aspirations. Its strange and disheartening that most of the people in the comment section are so narrow minded that they have no capacity to comprehend the complex socio economic dynamics of Indian society.
Not fancy equipments but a major chunk is Prof Payouts. Salaries could easily be north of 60% of total costs for an institute ( my hunch, not backed by data) The most prestigious MBAs have professors at par to a Kellogg for instance. To balance this out, and ofcourse the inflation, brand, alumni, notional gain that a candidate might get with an mba once monetized, etc. could be few reasons as to why it is really that expensive.
Education is also a business - not only India but the whole world . .. need to also delve deep into the IVY League. No different .. You can institute a 'Chair' (donate big money) and get 5:03 a PhD. and the institutions claim credit by honoring otherwise successful visible businessmen with honorary doctorates ... and claim these successful businessmen as their alumni. V hv mechanically copied the west when the west itself has moved far away from what they preached to others
They can and they do. IIM Kozikode had that ridiculous criteria one year, now they have double the points for female candidates than non enginer. IIM Rohtak does it so bad they might as well put a signage " men not allowed" There was an RTI last year which showed they had taken only 19 men in a batch of over 350.
Higher education is not for everyone,but higher skills are for everyone. For thousands of years , manufacturing skills are the only job producing sector
@@supersayaaainatleast someone is sensible enough ❤..... People are dying for laptop jobs (service's) no one actually wanna get there hands dirty and build something
It is not hopeless, it is hopeful. India needs people be rewarded for low skill jobs. Job market is a pyramid and high skill employees are required less. India, like other developing countries have terrible pay and working conditions for blue collar employees. To be a developed country, all occupations should pay decent wages.
All countries have diversity. And much lesser seats for Indians. Also all companies have diversity quota. This is a thing which stays till we have equal no of women in work place
This is perhaps the best presentation on UA-cam I have seen. Top Quality. Sadly, the video changed my mind about appearing for CAT this year. The reality lowered my Morale even more. Last year I saw many friends who were leagues ahead of me in academics and work ethic settling for lower IIMs despite getting 99.7,99.9 and so on.
Do not get motivated , just keep your head down and study. Stop doubting yourself , and just study for the next 2-3 months. The backup options will be available even after appearing for CAT , you can go for an alternative even after the exam. Till then just keep working and let this attempt be your best shot
Look at top non IIM like xlri, spjimr mdi. Their placements are way ahead of the top non top 4/5 IIMs and have no reservations. But they do have diversity because they have to place students and many top corporates look specifically for women and non engineers
CAT is not an entrance exam like JEE. The whole point of MBA is to shortliat candidates who are already good at their fields to gain communication and business knowldge. The core syllabus demands expertise in that and they would take students with more work experience rather than just cat score. CAT is a reasonably average exam. It is meant to be prepared for along with a job or along with whatever you are studying. Just preparing for an exam and hoping to get into top bschools is not enough. Aalthought CAT provides insights on how good his english, logical and mathematical skills are , but all of that is usually 12th std level. So its not just thw exam , your whole profile is considered. This video did not take that into consideration. Other factors like diversity(is reasonable) and reservation exists everywhere ,cant do much ! (personally i feel this should be eradicated as well).
I think as a CA student it is the best profession if you are passionate about accounting taxation auditing it all you need is a risk taking capacity and very hard work for months years
I don't need to and I never applied for because I am a venture capitalist and run my own investment fund. I skipped MBA. I am coming from a place with a good heart. MBA is meaningless without experience and real world knowledge.
i have a request 🙏 please make a full discloser video on topic digital marketing or how a unskilled person can learn skills and enter in coorporate world
That's correct I was waiting for someone to disclose this something, so greatful of you guys, let me add more specific people in the organization talk about scores not employability and in india with the corporate politics most of them wants to stick to the job for pay they don't give a damm about results that's the harsh truth.
Hi, so coming from someone who scored 99.52, and being a female non engineer. i still did'nt receive any shortlist because of an exam i took 8 years ago (class 10). please explain the logic> Btw this channel is really a bright light
Logic is being a consistent performer, logic is to filter out from lakhs of students on an objective ground. I think you know the logic but you aren't willing to face it
@@ayushsarwankar8337 She was asking for the logic, she knew it was going to be the case before giving the exam. I am not justifying the bullshit arbitrary conditions that B schools set. All the gender diversity thing is pure BS, why would someone who is opting for a fucking 30 lakh fee mba need "gender empowerment". If anything poor women should be uplifted and given 100% scholarships, all this quota system is BS. India is a tough place to live in; we are the sacrificial lamb of India's future, I don't want to be the lamb maybe after MBA and after I have decent experience under my belt I can leave this shithole; meanwhile I will play the cards I have been dealt with man.
@@ayushsarwankar8337 I just mentioned the Grades thing because out of all the bs conditions surprisingly the grades part is the only thing that makes some sense
@@TheEmotionalPotatoe Just FYI MY ACADS ARE 6/9/9, I am a college gold medalist. so i dont know what are you talking about. If you think that's inconsistent then maybe i am really dumb.
Companies are finally reacting to the fact that a significant percentage of candidates, especially women, get admissions based on grace marks, which can vary from 5 to 20 marks depending on the IIM. In an exam where marks matter to the second place of decimal, these super high grace marks ensure that millions of talented general merit men are left out. Then you have the generation caste and religion-based quotas to contend with. Why would a company contend with substandard candidates who entered the institution 18 months ago? What can 18 months of education fundamentally change in a person when they are of poor merit, to begin with. Unless the reservation and grace marks culture is eliminated, the quality of graduates from Indian elite institutions will see further decline.
Absolutely agree. Well said. I'm from an old IIM and experienced this first hand... My vastly superior peers getting rejected for inferior "diversity" candidates.
Great VDO, I think what all IIMs can do is mandate a work experience of atleast 3-4 years(this should also be done for government exams) pretty similar to what they have in USA, this could help people find do they really want to do an MBA? I don't understand how can u do an MBA, study about various case studies when u have never worked in a corporate, Most of my friends who are doing MBA are the ones who didn't want to work hard in their respective kind of escapism from what u are doing, overEngineering of engineers is definitely an issue, but u can't take out what the LLB students do? Most of the top tier NLU students prefer doing an MBA rather sitting for on-campus placement. If u ask a college graduate who is unemployed what are they doing they are either studying for CAT or preparing for the government exam, if this rule of mandatory work experience is implemented we can see a little change in no. of unemployed people
So in essence you are suggesting 1. If people are scared of competing with mere freshers even with all their experience, the freshers should simply be banned from competing 😂 2. Students of academic disciplines and institutions that do not provide placement after graduation should also be banned from competing 3. Only when all the competition has been eliminated these super meritorious (self certified) will have a fair chance of qualifying 😂😂😂😂😂 Grow up. Corporates are not fools . Neither are the top mba colleges. They KNOW what they are doing.
@ bro pls use an Ilm model to understand what I have written! U can use ChatGPT or Gemini, one thing I can perceive from your reply is u need to work on your comprehensive skills! Cheers
I am an IIM Indore alumni (Full time flagship) and jobless since a year. No shortlist because past degree was BE-Civil 😢 MBA is a scam ! All money is flowing only and only towards tech guys.
I was thinking who many months you might have taken to do make these type of videos and then go to your channel and found there were only few videos you have posted and found my intuition right doing great work 👍👍👍
There are many drawbacks to this discussion. => You are considering ONLY 1 example of this guy here.. You should include more participants here.. => What is the other side of story ? any inputs from B-school ? any inputs from corporates who have hired from good colleges ? => There is no talk of how the Govt increased the no of seats because of EWS quota recently.. =>Why do corporates need diversity ? what are advantages ? there is no coverage in this aspect.. Do more in-depth research.. this will definitely increase your viewers.. I am not saying you are bad, but a better video with key metrics/data will definitely win more viewers. There are people who eye QUALITY in videos..
7:37 What a line !! "Client want diversity in their companies...... or at least a diverse pool to choose from". The second half of the sentence is honestly the reality. ! What an eye-opener line !
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They have kinda used the write information incorrectly. Conflating between institutions. IIM Ranchi and MDI are not in the same league. Confused between summers and finals. The college messaging and the unannounced recession. 93% of all MBA is not the same as top colleges where people want to go to.
I scored 98% percentile in CAT, was never able to convert IIM ABC or LK. But converted IIM Nagpur but did not opted the course as fees was 20Lac. IIM is highly overpriced, median ctc is like 18 lac. so there is high chances of living in debt for 3-5 year. I never wanted to study in fear of debt, Imagine if you got a baclog or remain unplaced how will you pay 20lac. so I gave GATE and doing Mtech in NIT trichy. I might not earn as much as if I opted MBA but lets see what happens next. Its Better to do MBA from FMS delhi, IIT Delhi, IIT mumbai, Jamnalal bajaj then from any IIM.
Why Don't So Many Engineers, Managers in India Get together And Build Their Own Google, UA-cam, Facebook Etc. Why Do You Want a Job ?? If You're Capable Then Organize Yourselves, And Build a Company and Make Money
actually i am preparing for CAT 2024 now, but i know all of this already still i do for chance to get into most prestigious B school all over india, second thought to get offer letter from university from USA.
Full disclosure is now my new fav yt channel ❤❤❤ Awesome video; you successfully managed to cover all the aspects of an MBA One good takeaway from this video could be that DO AN MBA FROM A TOP 10 B-School otherwise, it's not worth it.
Brilliant .. Exactly same line of thought I had when I discussed with my daughter , who is having 3 years work experience in MICROSOFT and CS rank student from RVCE Bangalore .. Yes .. It is not worth it.. More over as the AI world develops , the so called special skills gets commoditized .. For example : Calculating IRR itself was gerat skill 20 years back -- Today it is flash in Excel .. Hence MBA as a specialized field will get diminished going forward dur to AI infusion in every walks of business and life .. MBA life cycle is ended ..
Nicely presented and very carefully crafted to provide us the info. Feeling very sorry for the bro who worked so hard to get through and yet couldn't find a spot due to the harsh and dirty politics that has ruined every single institution in our shit hole country.
Great production! Would have been more useful for me if full forms of terms like "ROI" (kept thinking of this as "rate of interest" throughout the video) and "CTC" were mentioned (or even better, displayed on screen, then it wouldn't hamper the flow of the screenplay either) while speaking of these. With thanks and regards...
I think there's a major issue with the narrative surrounding IIMs in India-why is it always about CAT? People say it's because of exposure, but that's not entirely true. Plenty of other entrance exams lead to B-Schools that are on par with IIMs. Yet, those schools don't fit the IIT/IIM hype. Why not explore TISS, GMAT, NMAT, SNAP, or even XAT? And why isn’t FMS talked about more? It’s on the rise, with fees around just 2 lakhs and an average package of 34 LPA 😌. Before settling on an entrance exam or college, consider getting some proper counseling. There’s so much more to this than what meets the eye!
the great and full disclosure ive ever heard , need more videos on the b schools of india (weather it will for adv or dis) jus wanna hear the another perspective.
Hey loved the format of the video and kudos to the editing team. I just had my share my 2 cents since I was contemplating doing my MBA from India vs Abroad. 1) Indian MBAs (just as you mentioned) are ready to take in freshers without any work experience. MBA is not another degree program, people go there to actually engage and develop holistic perspectives and I fail to understand how freshers will be able to relate to the concepts and contribute in class. 2) Diversity is something that all MBA schools need and it is perfectly valid. The issue is when you bring in reservation based on caste, which so heavily influences the entry, that as a general candidate I don’t even want to get into that blood bath. 3) CAT percentile is everything! Can you imagine schools having 60-70% of the weightage on CAT score and merely 5% weightage on work ex and personal interests (like seriously?) 4) Mindset - MBA in India is just another way to get a job. People don’t really put in the effort to network and on developing themselves, rather just carry the brand and assume that they will get the job (Sense of entitlement is surprising) They will then again enter the rat race and compete for pointers just to get the best jobs. So my question is - where is the learning, collaboration, getting inspired by your cohort etc? All in all, the quality of input is equal to the quality of output!
Even B schools in USA and Europe reject students who may have higher GMAT GRE scores than those admitted. Management education is not engineering with only one right answer. Different perspectives are more important than who got the right answer.
In India, diversity just equals to more females. Having less number of males than females is being considered an achievement, even if there's just 1 male for 100 females that ratio will be applauded by everyone while the other way around is always regarded with sexism remarks. It's now prevalent everywhere, getting into MAANG companies (I have first hand seen this in campus placements, Males were asked very hard questions in interviews and still not getting selected while females were asked basic questions and getting selected) is way easier being a female while almost impossible being a male. This kind of hiring will in time lead to more discrimination rather than less when every female will be considered a diversity hire regardless of her skills. Rather than attacking the root cause of less female participation in STEM or management fields they are just giving cheat codes to one already in the system, it might work for the mean while but it will ultimately ruin the whole eco system.
In India women participation in workforce is only 23% less than Saudi Arabia. Only companies with preference for women are IT and Consulting companies and they are doing it to manage there skewed ratios over the years. Still in India in IT only 30% workforce is women. It's wierd af of men crying for women getting still less than 30% representation while being 50% of population. Only 30% of women give CAT, women's higher education is so much discouraged in India, the avg marriage age for women is 19. Yall crying over some effing marks given rightfully in country where women face systemic discrimination and makes such low percentage of workforce
@@Xoxososowi like I said in my comment, attack the root cause of the problem. Spread awareness for women's education and bit by bit change the mindset of population, problem with the current system is that it is not benefitting the females who are in need of it. While it is making it easier for women who are enrolled in institutions and already studying at par with males, level the playing field (hiring should be on the basis of skills) if a female is studying in the same class as me with the same resources as myself, why should they get advantage in hiring? This is just corporate bs to look good in public while not batting an eye on the real problem.
@@Xoxososowimate , hiring women just for the sake of "hiring women" is gonna throw dirt on the names of women who actually are capable and have merit to be in the institutions , diversity hiring can only take toh so far , the root cause of gender disparity in the job market has to be addressed, which is Neglected Education of the girl child and Cultural Stigmas , a little diversity is good like 20-80 , but if you overdo it then it leads to quality dilution and sooner on later it will come to bite the institution in the ass
Percentage wise there is less women in workforce, because percentage wise there are less women who graduate from colleges.... And why do u guys only talk about diversity and inclusion in IT, consultancy companies... What happens to manual labour jobs, like constructing high rises, or working in an oil rig. Because they are not desirable... and women like you want to get the honeymoon life without the effort for it. @@Xoxososowi
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Hi, I got 99.95 %ile in Cat'23, got into IIM Bangalore. It has been a struggle ever since. Despite doing extremely well academically in the first term, I couldn't even get a single shortlist till now because Companies pay high emphasis on Diversity and your past scores. That is reason IIMB selection process has been designed that way
In the West MBAs are a lot more uncommon.
Universities and business schools don't just let anybody pay money and complete their MBAs.
They understand that the power of an MBA is its exclusivity and the high reputation of the awarding university or business school.
You have to be the best of the best of post graduate students to be accepted into it.
Also you have to be solidly pursuing or have had in a career in business already in order to be eligible to do an MBA.
In India and other South Asian countries you have someone who's done for example chemical engineering or psychology or multimedia studdies then doing an MBA!
What the hell do those fields of graduation have to do with pursuing an MBA?
Plus in Indian colleges, universities and business schools which lets face it are rather low quality anyone can sign up for an MBA as long as they have money to pay for it.
I've been to India a few times and it seems like even the rickshawalla, panipuri and panwalla have an MBA for Christs sake.
And when you question these MBA holders specifically about things like business development strategy, etc they don't know shit!
They can at best just rote repeat words they've learnt in books without any comprehension of what they mean or their practical implications or applications!
You change the context of your question to one not directly taught to them then they can't give you a correct answer derived logocally from first principles!
It's a joke......
THEY are a joke!
I am CEO of the company but I'm afraid I have to disagree with your facts It is the fault of the student who thought an MBA is a guarantee of success I found IIM students useless and Non-IIM Students excellent so its depend on how the person is
Prioritising diversity over merit has screwed everyone in the last couple of decades. Companies and colleges that understand this will survive.
Ridiculous point, in this way west companies shouldn’t hire Indians at all
@@ayushgarg8316 Why a diversity is a problem? You see highest diversity in engineers, you see majority of engineers in civil services, BFSI sector, Management Consultant, Engineering and IT and even occupying majority seats in MBA colleges.
You can pursue Mtech or llb, there You won't see diversity
Mtech is exclusively for engineers but I haven't seen any art or bcom student complaining about it.
If an engineer is not willing to do engineering related job they should not be doing btech to begin with .@@ashish7666
@@ashish7666 diveristy shouldnt be forced
@@ashish7666 Engineers are intelligent . You should do MA in mugal culture ... 😂😂😂😂😂
Foreigner in India here! I am a CEO for a foreign company in India for the last 6 years. Have this position in India for two companies now. I don’t care if employees have a MBA or whatever. The problem I see is that Indian students know everything, but they are not able to connect the learned in real life. Education and culture is failing you. All of the students are school smart, but are not able to implement it. In my personal opinion only 1 out of 100 can compete to a western student in real life applications. They are trained to be submissive mules
It’s not just submissive mules who can’t define their boundaries, it is also the inability to connect and sequence tasks to get the job finished. The boss has to sequence and connect it for them, basically tell them everything to get the job done, basically micromanaging. Therefore the micromanagers qualify as bosses big time. The concept of initiative is also non existent along with the ability to follow process. Work isn’t process driven rather impulse driven.
Agree. Indian employer here. The obsession on marks is crazy and people have a tendency to equate it with ability. Original thought is not rewarded (in fact it is often penalised), though rote learning is (which is why they *seem* to know everything). There is also a tendency of worshipping credentials. I have stopped looking at academic credentials at all and use how CVs are presented to shortlist recruits now.
Thank you for your constructive criticism
Its true -- Submissive Mules -- bit harsh -- Hence students are told to CONFIRM to some one higher up Parents / Teacher / Boss etc.. This wiring of mind has made us always look out for some boss and " Give" us job and pay .. This is cultural issue .. You need to interact with our Plumbers / elecrtricians etc.. -- They are simply great skilled people work for very less .. Do not compare those people who speak English -- There is 85% people who do business in India can not speak in English -- But they do gerat business ..
How did u become a CEO ? Also indian companies want a superman to work for them, & it favors experienced candidates. What u mentioned is typical for fresh students, there are no proper mentors or teachers in jobs.
India has so many engineers that if we don't produce even a single engineer for next 7-8 years we would be good. Learnt that hard way during my time at engineering.
Same
You need a graduate degree. So you did engineering
The problem is there aren't enough engineering jobs in the Indian economy. Share of manufacturing is low as compared to service sector.
True. Even with diversity 90% students are engineers and 20% are women. The sheer number of engineers applying for MBA is huge but companies dont just need MBA grads with engineering background. Many need Doctors, CA's,architects and so on. And these still are less than 10% people. As for women, women consistently outperform men in GDPIs . Also women and people who are not engineers are among the ones who get hired in first 3 days ,engineers are often the omes who are in pool of unhired candidates so this person is making BS video.
@@XoxososowiBecause Indian society treat Engineering grads as money making machine so that put them in situation where they have to justify their position.. Society should free engineers and let them do whatever they want, dude they are engineers they can do anything in their life or join any job market instead of always in pressure to earn High always. Engineerings can solve product related problems especially if it is more on technical but they are not going to solve any non product related or human related problems any differently
The best Line" You will stop working for 2 years and on top of it, pay fee for it, for what though, to get a half decent chance of the job you get that will probably pay you the same, what you earn now." 🔥🔥
Exact reason I haven't done MBA yet
I think it's the high time to stop relying only on the placements and equally invest energy in off campus placements be it in MBA colleges because you never know what job market will become like by the time you graduate
very generalized,
@sushantharit4197 Yeah, non GEM candidates won't be able to comprehend what that *generalized* statement means.
74%le and studying in IIM Lucknow.
94%le and not even a baby IIM.
Reservation sucks.
it is very bad situation .we are doing more and more practice every day and every night for getting above 99 so we will select in iim but student who select through reservation , they are selecting same iim with 90 to 95 ile. it very painful.
She said many points related to work experience , academic score, gender, engineers crowd but still you somehow chose reservation as the main enemy. It's the company who wants people with varied work ex but still you chose reservation
@@gouravdamor8001 i just talk about how percentile affects, i am not telling anything but dont read all things and just read reservation and comment it
@@gouravdamor8001 that's because reservation is making a huge difference than any other points mentioned.
One can get into IIM banglore without any worked but if u domt get a call what will u do???
@@gouravdamor8001 and why don't u acknowledge the elephant in the room??
My honest opinion is that MBA as a degree in itself is useless. I prepared for GMAT , good a decent score and got selected in a top university abroad for their 1 year MBA which I found way better than the IIM's. But then I have decided to pursue computational mathematics and programming which was always my passion in engineering. This has taught me more skills and opened more doors than any top tier MBA can ever do.
As someone wisely said "A MBA is just a costly networking event with extra steps."
eventually you'll report to a manager only......just kidding
To apply for colleges through gmat do you need to have work experience
💯 rightly said.....MBA is just speaking and living sophisticately...
@@GamerKingHorizonsenior tech people do get promoted to managerial roles 👔 too mate.
@@GamerKingHorizon not all managers are MBA , lolz
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I agree with both of you MBA is losing its importance. As a student, I have encountered many classmates who only speak about the salary package rather than upskilling themselves. I think it is high time we realize upskilling is as crucial as drinking water in the present job market.
Upskilling is what gives you the job opportunities. If not on campus then outside. Talking about salary only will make us handicapped, honestly.
Exactly man. Even in extremely skill based domains like design (which I am currently pursuing a master's,) people's obsession with college placement and package size over their actial level of skill is insane. Just can't understand people these days.
All of this for a fucking 9 to 5 job ! How does one even contribute to the society with such jobs . Just a stupid and purposeless rat race.
People are sick of disgusting office politics in India. There is no "upskilling" with jobs that people get at entry level. They torture young people...and the kind of quid pro quo I have seen in offices...my comment might get deleted for saying it here. Absolutely disgusting and terrifying. Filled with creeps. That's why MBA is needed. Its "upskilling" without selling licking boots of very unskilled TL in some BS company and tolerating their bullying...
I made sure my son has citizenship of other country. What I have gone through being male of general category, I don’t want my son to face the same. I hope he would appreciate it later in his life.
Which country
My classmate got 87%-ile and she was expecting no call, but she got selected in IIM-Rohtak. Another classmate got 98%-ile and was rejected from all IIM. He was a general-male candidate. He did his MBA from US. American universities are also implementing DEI and reservation like policies like in India. So if anyone is looking to do MBA, do it from US before it is too late.
trump is back..wokenonsense gone on day1
Everyone on UA-cam is talking about career in IIT, IIM , Engineering,Doctor, MBA, Business because they can get views
No one is talking about real science education, career in P.hd, research, scientist etc
dude for real... if you search "how to write a good research paper" on UA-cam you won't find any indian there
But it is as lengthy as it gets and the job market is almost non-existent in India. You have to shift to Europe if you want to get Decent pay in the research line or Just start your own coaching centre. I am in it and I am scared.
@@mr.x2870 what is your field or topic of phd?
Why no one talks about commerce
Is commerce a stream with dumb people?? 😢
@@vikramaditya2898I've found a lot of people talk about commerce and CA, CFA, FRM etc.
The reason why the Big dawgs are struggling to place the students is not because there are no jobs in the market, Its beacause the companies have finally woken up from the deep slumber where they were willing to pay a management summer Intern upwards of 4 lakhs for 2 months of work and 33+ lakhs for full time hiring. The B schools and the coaching mafia in their greed to intake more students have all colluded together to sell a pill that there exists another magical degree that will somehow give you that dream package and have therefore were on a race to increase both the batch size and the tuition fees.
but you can't deny the fact that YES there is still recession ongoing in the economies on which the Indian market is dependent
@subhamkumarsah933 along with recession also top b schools like IIM BLACKIS, FMS, SPJIMR and XLRI are able to have 100% placements. The big dogs are still worth going to if you have decent work ex or past academics
Big Dawgs is a global hit.
Exactly @mhd7781
The top performers would get good placements either way! B schools are a transformative experience for sure, the ROI isn’t immediate but what you make out of it
8:54 engineers studied maths and analytics throughout their grad. Thus way they easily score good in dilr and QA. For non enggs its difficult to compete with them.
It's got more to do with Engineering entrance exams. Engineering curricula is quite 'bookish'. It's the prep for Engineering that makes most engineers OP for CAT and standardized testing. As they are not "upper class" and trying to make their way up, the system sets up additional barriers. GEMs need to drop out early from scam education system and get into business before 21.
@@Tum_Tum_ for non engineers especially commerce with maths student can easily tackle qa and dilr no problem for them for non maths comerce students it's a bit tough but they can also easily crack with 1 month prep from good Quant books lol
@@vikramaditya2898lmao no maybe a small minority but not all commerce students
@@vikramaditya2898 no. im a design student and i can't. stop speaking from a perspective you don't have. I am scoring a 99.5 percentile in VARC but drastically low in quant.
@@ayusshhhhhhh all commerce with maths students can. they take maths cause they are toppers😂😂 . Many don't prepare for cat that's the problem. Maybe nowadays cause of that only many commerce students are getting enrolled in IIMs nowadays
Please don't do your MBA here in India, Go abroad, Take a risk, you'll get job over there, atleast their ROI is amazing, don't worry about their taxes because you can pay your loan amount in 2-3 yrs only...India is not for highly educated peoples, it's for uneducated contractors/ local politicians/their childrens, Highly educated people don't get any respect here, these contractors are laughing at their salaries, leave this country forever...I know lot of people don't like my comment but it's a harsh truth, we shouldn't have to ignore it 😊
No, you're quite right. It's this whole contractor - govt engineers - govt officials - politician nexus. They're literally making 10 to 100 more than top graduates and masters degree holders.
Its very sad to hear this, but it's the unfortunate reality ...
@@danlightened Well, You need to understand why they're make 10 times more than private industry workers, they make it with the help of taking bribes, Is this a legal way of making money?..At the time of Govt exam interview, they said, " We're coming in the government sector because we want to do something great for people"..reality is they want to earn more money that's why they want to join government job..Do you know who give more tax to this country?..it's Private Industry Workers...Do you hear any private industry workers give some expensive things to Sai baba temple or any god temples?...No, right...who are these people then?..these people are black money makers, they avoid taxes, that's why they give higher amount of black money to temples?..I already told you this country is running by which kind of peoples 😊
where did you attend your mba ?
The harsh truth is that the Indian education system produces dumb creatures who call themselves highly educated. In India or abroad they live like slaves. They are trained to be slaves.
These slaves don't have skills to tackle uneducated street smart guys who know how to bend the system.
I know someone who got 89%ile and converted IIM A just because he is SC.
If SC is 89 percentile,what about ST then😮
Even EWS can convert iim at 89
@@connectTheDots-yo2cyIIM yes not IIM A no
As said it isn't worth doing MBA if you are not in top IIM A because lower ones have average CTC close to my engineering college in 2nd tier city
And I personally think EWS is useless because like before general category had 50% seats now it also have 50% you just devided between 40% general + 10% general EWS it would make matrit for general higher and lower for EWS but it doesn't change anything for rest and average would be same as before
Im not against all reservations but this is just, Govt giving lollypop because we know how fake income certificates are in india that's one of the reason you can't give reservation based on income group insted to Jati
@@chethankumar6547wonders of reservation
I've seen as low as 76th percentile
This is the reason that I love youtube great content , case study and good luck for creating more vidoes like this!
Thank you Vignesh ❤️☺️
@@FullDisclosure. @vignesh8642 hmmmm Vignesh has become ur subscriber with that kind thanks of urs.can tell this is a good way of audience retention!
great screenplay, loved the way you did the full disclosure.. peak quality content from yt.
Thanks so much ❤️❤️❤️
@@FullDisclosure.replying to every comment with thanks good way to retain audience!nice
Counter argument to anything below tier 1 MBA is not worth it. I went to a tier 2 Bschool post Btech and spent ~15lacs for my MBA. My first job paid me ~11lacs and in 2.5 years I was able to get ~25 lacs. My first job after Engineering would have paid be ~3-4 lacs and today I would have made 12-15 lacs maybe. So I got a 2x jump with an MBA. This trend also applies to most of my batchmates who are earning anywhere between 15-40 lacs today. What I'm trying to say here is that the growth post MBA is good for most average folks out there. Chasing the IIM dream is good, but many people are better off getting an MBA from a decent bschool. ROI is good over a 5 year period.
hey rohit bhaiya, can you please mention what is that tier2 B school you went? is it TAPMi?
Hello Rohit bhaiya, should joining a company and gaining some experience just after btech and then applying for MBA would be a better option or rather doing mba just after the btech ? Would be good if you can share your insights about this
@rohitp2197 which b school bhai ? please tell
it's very simple to explain. Your engineering degree was worse than tier-2. So, even a tier-2 mba is an improvement for you.
@@DigvijaySisodia-o1w even tier 1 engineering colleges aren't giving good placements this year, get your facts checked i am one from them
Its our mindset, we celebrate the US Ivey league for prioritizing individual`s growth story, Work Exp, extra curricular, social work over GMAT score. But for Indian B-school we want aptitude exams to be the whole and sole for admissions. This should change ASAP, if aptitude was the only requirement to excel in business/business education US B-school should not have faired better in producing a better crop.
Well said!
@@r2.b2
Rich can get easily in ivy league...
stop treating peoples as crops, dumb
Agreed! That’s why leadership/management in Indian IT companies sucks.
They still don't prioritize females cuz of gender diversity, lower class cuz of reservation and don't discriminate against engineers
Being a 22-24 MBA grad from a tier 2 B- School, I can relate so well, I spent around 16 lakhs on 2 year MBA, and got a job that pays me 8LPA (50k/month). I could have used that money elsewhere.
Kudos to your channel for bringing this out, what a way to disclose the reality, which everyone should know before they make a decision.
In what specialization did you pursue your MBA? also can you explain what else you could have done? A junior here tryna find the reality.
This channel is SO UNDERRATED
The intro scene…oh my god…it was just mind blowing 🔥🔥🔥
The quality of your videos is just going up and up with every video 🚀
You will surely reach a million subscribers soon if you keep this momentum…all the best Full Disclosure team.
Thank you!!! This means the world to us ❤️
ITS NOT UNDERRATED,ITS JUST YOUNG
The beginning of the video was great but the ending was a killer😮...🔥🔥
bro the channel just started.
@@FullDisclosure. plz make a vedio on mbbs grad lots of disparities
Back to Back content about various topics and not just restricted to one. Love it, also, sick Intro and great editing. Waiting for more❤❤
Thank you so much!! ♥️♥️♥️
I did my MBA from IIM Shillong.
Yes the numbers in brochures are inflated but the point on basic salary is not valid. My basic salary is currently about 30% of my overall inhand compensation. Not sure why that is the case
Also, diversity is a double edged sword - yes merit is better than diversity for diversity’s sake, but diversity is also appreciated in the job market and in corporate as well. This is true to the extend that few B schools boast of having the best diversity. For example, I remember speaking to NMIMS folks during mba how the girls on campus got the best offers even though they weren’t the most meritorious - but that’s what the companies wanted to hire, so who are we to judge merit just by CAT score?
Also, I’m not an engineer or from a fancy undergrad but I would be in the top 10% of my batch easily.. CAT can’t be treated as the best benchmark of smarts.. I know a person with 99%ile get a one year repeat because he wasn’t that good in academics and wasn’t very disciplined
Basic is 30% mainly for a host of regulatory reasons. Salaries are also optimised keeping in consideration taxes for both the employer and employee...
Government shouldn't produce too much engineers for at least 5 years
The government is not forcing anyone to become an engineer.
I believe govt should focus on jobs for the Engineers instead of doing Hindu Muslim
@@shivamshankhdhar89Muslim illegal capturing market either it’s labour or facilities or business
@@shivamshankhdhar89 Most engineers don't have any employable skills. The IT service companies are the only ones that can employ those engineers. Many engineers don't even want to upskill. Everyone wants jobs but very few are willing to upskill for it. On top of that we have recession going on.
Doubt its issue. How many every they produce the best would always have jobs
IIM Bangalore has the best criteria, MBA should be done post some work experience, not as fresher. No wonder it produces max startups in the country. Now, to answer the questions in the description, MBA is surely the key to success even today in 2024, when market forces are down, even if done from a Tier 2 college. See even if you score 99.9 percentile, you might not be selected in the top IIMs but you surely would get selected in let's say MDI- Gurgaon or XLRI which are still in the league of the top tier B-Schools in the country. MBA will provide you with once in lifetime opportunity for a good life/life without financial worries. Don't let anyone else fool you
Exactly 💯 totally agree with you
These guys just to want make fool of people and earn money. So they are just making such misleading videos which have no sense. Guess they don't have any other work to do in life, lol
Same here, 99.94 percentile GEM fresher when I had given cat. Didn't get admission into any top IIMs. (Slightly also due to not-so-good CPI in college and interview performance.). The video sums up the selection process and thought process of a candidate quite well
Bruh I am GEM with 99%. I got in one of BLACKI. I know a GEM who got in with 90%ile and many in between in IIM indore ,Kohikode and Lucknow
You just gave bad GDPI that's all.
@@Xoxososowikitne pese diye IIM ne tuzhe ye comment krne?
Damn, I know a fresher GEF who couldn't get into any BLACKI with 99% due to average academics and kinda bad GDPI.
@@Xoxososowi no way a GEM candidate can get into Lucknow with 90 percentile. Why're you lying?
@@Xoxososowikuch bhi. Iim sirmaur to le hi nhi rha gem ko 94 pe. Alag maal phoonk rha. Pakka reserve category wala hai th
It has nothing to do with India, it's the entire job market and economy in the world.
It kind of does though... I have seen engineering students (4th year students included) dropout of their colleges after deciding to do an MBA. Just because of gaining diversity points, they repeat college from either open uni or normal universities with arts and commerce degrees and believe it or not, a few of them got in as well. The selection process in itself is quite bogus where you are comparing students on grade 10 and 12 results also... Very poor because of the system that has been put down here. But I do get the fact that in a country like India, an MBA boosts you up the corporate ladder 20x. Edit* AN MBA FROM A TOP 20-30 B SCHOOL*
No wth.. you are just creating your own happiness.
the situation abroad mainly the west is FAR better than in india. Not even comparable.
@@fiehdhreinrekbffjhbfhevjvj6933The job market is just as bad everywhere else. We aren't talking about other things.
@@mhd7781 i even stopped looking at CAT when the started ding this. IIMs have become exclusive club of toppers.
@nikhilnain5360 True, it's a very poor system they have put down in place... nowhere in this world, universities prioritise 10th and 12th marks for mba admissions. Yes , they can ADD value to your profile, but adding value to someone's profile doesn't mean devaluing someone else who didn't score well
Such a unique narration and cinematography! Loved it.
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Concept itself is wrong
You don’t do an mba without work experience
Iim takes in freshers and then give them entry level jobs post graduation
Smart - BIO maths
Avg - PCM
Dumb - Coommerce
Disappointment - Art
This is the right classification
Correct 💯
are we back in the 80s
@@swarali1365 In South India , still people think like that .
I had all A+ in 10th . My teacher literally was broken from inside when I told her that I was planning to pursue commerce in 11th Standard ( so that I can pursue CA) . She was not even trying to hide her disappointment
I mean India is a shit hole because of this thinking right here. You don't see people in other countries categorising any of these majors as you have now. All of the subjects contribute to society and even people pursuing arts in other countries are better off than an average engineering grad here in India.
@@Slay963 We Indians have a thing for dividing everything into hierarchy based tribalistic order (caste)
I don't think people are able to accept things and people as they are
Mannnn this chanel is goood. It is at par with think school ,Modern Mba, AevyTV, Nikhil Kamath too among few others
This means so much 🥹
Very impressive content
@@FullDisclosure.
My 1st thought was it's similar to Aevy TV 🎉good wishes for future
The presenter and her voice looks like AevyTV's!
@AlfiyaBagwan-kj8ty Yeah I guess they are from their cohort that's why
@@sravannotshravan They are sister btw. Aevy's Achina and Naveena and sisters
timing of this video couldn't be better than this 🔥
good way to capitalize on this.
Navya nanda 😂
The Production, the quality !!!
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Aur do congress ko vote 😂
Rahul Gandhi is saying that he will increase reservation by 50%
*75%
Ayain yeh kab hua toh fir supreme court aur high court meh bhi toh reservation nahi ha..toh kaya ukhard raha ha unlog
@@Nopeyes1 reservation ISRO mein bhi nahi hai...
aage mujhe bolne ki jarurat nahi hai shayad....
@@atopgaming9000 toh isro toh kam kar toh Raha ha na.. lekin court kaya kar raha ha.. age mujhe bolni ki zarrorat nahi ha..smjhadar admi smjh lega
@@Nopeyes1 there are around 31000 judiciary officials in India whereas there are 5.1 crore cases in India....
Bharat ke population ke hisab se kafi kam judges hai India ke paas...
Isliye ISRO jyada better choice hai comparison karne ke liye...
My Son with with 99.4 percentile did not got call from top 5 and he was with good experience.score in X and X|| failed him ,it is a joke what is the purpose of CAT ,see any other top exam like IIT or Civil service,it is all about exam score
1) B Schools are only concerned about average salary.
Once 50% of the batch is placed they won't be bothered about the quality of companies coming next.
They will allow companies to offer any package.
Even at IIM Bangalore, the lowest package can dip to 4 LPA.
2) Also, the colleges consider total offers in counting the placement.
If the batch has 100 students, and 120 job offers but only 80 students are placed, the B School will notoriously ask those leftover students to opt out as they are not concerned about placing all students and they will show 100% placements as already they have received 100+ offers.
3) MBA is just glorified sales. Most profiles are Banking/Insurance sales only
4) For an IT employee, especially the general one, it's far better to move out of INDIA or switch jobs.
So many countries offer free education and there is no reservation as well.
Even in INDIA good software developers are getting 20 LPA easily after switching
Bro how do u even know that the lowest package of iim b may dip to 4 lakh?...a chunk of salary can be variable but definitely they will get paid...nobody from top 10 colleges get salaries that bad...if they get it or they are forced to opt out it's because they wasted their 2 years learning and doing nothing acting like a bum and nothing else...plus saying most profiles are banking/insurance is another bs u are talking about...and about software developers they either have to be good or have to be from top iits/nit or other colleges to get a high paying job...u have to have the skill...the no of software developers getting the amount vs total no of software developer that are there in the country is very less...so u can't blame MBAs...it's similar everywhere
@@sphinxyt5583
My bro is studying in IIM and he knows the reality.
There are both sides, some are getting crores and multiple offers while some are not even getting placed.
Most companies ask GD, and in GD even if you are a talented gold medalist from IIT Delhi you will surely lose out to some good-looking girl from DELHI who may not be as intelligent as you but can speak better English and perform in GD.
"nobody from the top 10 colleges gets salaries that bad"
There are many. In fact, lots of students opt out because the placement committee refuse to bring companies to the leftover batch, the institute only shows average and highest salaries not the bottom 10% or the minimum salary.
".if they get it or they are forced to opt out it's because they wasted their 2 years learning and doing nothing acting like a bum and nothing else"
MBA is just a grooming parlour, they are mere placement agencies, its curriculum is chilled, GPA doesn't matter in placements, subjects like marketing and open book exams so don't need much study, most students are focused on networking and extracurriculars, it's not Engineering where your intelligence matters and have tough exams where you are solving tough mathematics problems.
MBA is all your looks, personality, and speaking skills.
And people are placed because of the brand name only.
"plus saying most profiles are banking/insurance is another bs u are talking about"
Most profiles are Sales, ask any IIM guy. They can just glorify by saying different job titles but eventually, they all are selling products to customers. No one will hire them as CEOs or management teams straight away.
I know one guy from IIM A placed in ITC, his job is to go to villages and acquire business.
He is always travelling and living in villages where there is no access to electricity and water.
Otherwise, you are hired in IT consulting and you will see some engineer with no MBA degree is also a Consultant and getting even more package than you, an IIM grad.
So why waste 2 years , 30 lacs in an education where you and a tier 3 Engineer are on the same page.
If your ego is hurt by doing small things like selling some insurance and you can't handle rude customers then better not go for MBA.
"and about software developers, they either have to be good or have to be from top iits/nit or other colleges to get a high paying job''
You can learn coding, DSA, and upskill, so many moved from 4 LPA to 40 LPA.
But in MBA you can't make frequent jumps or upskill.
If you start with a very low package or you can't satisfy customers you will be stuck at the same level and can even get fired.
"the no of software developers getting the amount vs total no of software developer that are there in the country is very less''
What about the MBAs. There are tons of MBA colleges in INDIA.
I am sure there are enough tech jobs because of outsourcing but not everyone can become a manager or do sales. That's why an MBA degree is worthless nowadays.
There is a much greater abundance of MBAs as compared to Software Engineers.
More engineers are making 20 LPA as compared to MBAs making 20 LPA.
Well said!
Out of India colleges are free for their native citizens, for most Indians (except those getting scholarship), they are the cash cows for the universities
@@rh334 that’s completely foolish . They need to take care of every student and they do in good b schools . Iim b has never dipped to 4 lakhs ever and never will . Colleges have to show much more figures than just avg package which require that all students do well . Maybe you couldn’t make it to iimb so you are creating fake scenarios in your head to feel good about it but stop coping .
2:45 You said that IIM Udaipur stopped auditing the reports. They have just released the latest audited reports of 1 year courses and the internship of 2025 batch. Hope you take back your statement when they release the latest audited report of 2 year batch and complete the entire auditing process for the year.
People with 99.7% are not getting calls from many IIMs but some so called special people are sitting there in best MBA colleges in India with their 77% score. These people will get selected directly to big firms such as BCG, Bain, P&G, at an exorbitant salary. All the while a more deserving candidate will be forced to to persue MBA from a mediocre Tier 2 college struggling to secure a good job in a good company because good companies are distant dream in these colleges.
The guy got calls from IIM A and IIM C, but couldn't clear. Don't blame the system for not getting in, you were given a fair shot. The interview is the fair chance, you prove your mettle or you're out. If you got 99.92 percentile and were not even given an interview call, I'd blame the system and say that's unfair. Loveena, also, you must understand that IIMs are institutions which place a lot of emphasis on holistic selection of candidates - which means the candidates must be academically smart AS WELL AS have personality. We see so many students get into the Engineering crowd while they do not even know why they want to do engineering, and its fairly simple, cross the minimum cuttoff and you're in. IIMs look for everything - which is why they have a three pronged admission criteria - CAT, WAT, and PI. Also, please broaden your sample size from just one candidate and get anecdotes from IIM alums as well - that would limit any self-limiting bias you may have when you conduct primary research.
- IIM Grad.
Well showing one sided argument is the best way of getting views😆
only 6-7k students gets into a decent B-shool rest 3 lakh balme the system and youtubers like her (and many other like CATking) just understand this really well.
That's actually bs that a lot of people feed, even if you give a stellar interview the final selection is based on pi + diversity marks, it's publically available information. A good interview can only get you so far, depends on college on how far it can get you
@@ayushsinghchauhan9558bruh India literally has the least women participating in workforce even less than Saudi Arabia. The diversity score is really essential till we have atleast 40% women in workforce.
@@Xoxososowi I meant academic diversity as well, also not saying I am against gender diversity, just that 'selection depends solely on interview' is an out of touch notion that is dangerously misleading
finally a sensible comment.
ive stopped engaging in any study related content that isnt directly academics online be it reddit or youtube and especially instagram. r/jeeneetards, r/catprep, r/jee, r/upsc etc are all filled with frustrated and mostly failed students blaming everything they can to reduce their personal guilt.
Honestly, I doubt this 99.92 percentile is telling all truth
He is, I have seen people with 99.99 get no calls at all indian education is fucked, we gotta accept it
When they elaborated on how engineers usually have better Students because thats how society perceives students, is where they hit the nail on the head. You usually dont expect such good insights from youtube videos . Well crafted
the students who took admission in iims as placement agencies gonna get that low package and the students who actually want to level up and pay attention to make most out of it can get a very good package..
I am a general female Philosophy hons student, although it would work in my favour in the selection time, tu it hurts that the very own purpose of selecting the cream is getting faded. The concept of diversity has just fucked up many institutions. Thank you so much for making this video
Just take the benefit. Since when did women are worried about men? Go and enjoy your privilege, oops sorry , equality .
In engineering colleges also girls with CGPA in 7’s are getting selected over boys with CGPA in 9’s forget about those boys who have it in 7’s and 8’s. Recently saw a result of summer internships result for software engineering role where only one boy was selected and rest 14 were girls in the top 15 list. But the fact that men are more in ratio in engineering.
I myself have solved around 300 questions on a platform that proves your problem solving skills and that site is to develop actual skills but a girl who has solved only 30 questions got selected for an internship. But I am struggling. Reality of so called gender preference or diversity bullshit.
Anyway you don’t have to worry about men. Let them rot. You enjoy your so called “equality “.
Education is not about getting into the Best Institution
It's about being Resourceful and No Matter What the Situation Maybe, Still Finding a way to Make Money
Finally someone who can think for themselves. Kudos to you my friend. There's always a way when we can create value for other people.
@@mere_illusion 🥰🤗
The problem with us indians is that most of us come from middle class backgrounds so we don't hav the luxury of just focusing on learning whatever we like. Getting a good paying job is mandatory for us bcz of various personal-financial-societal reasons.
And that's where higher educational institutions in India take the role of placement centre instead of cultivating highly knowledgeable skills among the youths.
You're wrong institute matters
@@vasugamerz7348 It Only Matters to some Extent.
I know a Person who is making $450k Dollars Per Year in USA at Age 39, When He Studied from a Tier 3 B-School in India.
He Comes from a Lower Middle Class Family
Many IIM ABC Graduates Also Don't Make That Much at Age 40.
You completely missed the other reasons why people do an MBA: 1. for family/ personal status.
2. fullfill mba requirement for promotion.
3. To enhance their marriage prospects.
4. Bragging rights for the family/ person
5. Also to impress employees/clients if its a family business.
Why are we overlooking the fact that meritocracy is a lie, a person coming from a marginalised background especially with such cascading dimensions as being rural, being female etc faces huge disadvantages in a country as casteist and now classist/patriarchal as India is, getting a 99%ile does not make you vastly different from someone in the 80-90%, it’s a simple thing called law of diminishing marginal returns? It’s a good thing that corporates are hiring more females which has further incentivised top MBA programs to hire more women into their cohorts. You all keep crying about top IIMs not giving you admissions. At the end of the day, they are government institutions meant for advancing welfare interests for all, media like yours caters to a small bubble who can afford a smartphone and stable internet and can understand English (that makes up barely less than 5-10% of actual Indian population.) I can’t even begin to unpack how discriminatory and unethical the high caste crowd in these top institutes are and how culturally alienated people from marginalised backgrounds can feel. This is a highly complicated issue because privilege in India is way more nuanced than the simple white/Poc binary seen in the west, there are so many intersectional facets that we simply choose to ignore because we are not exposed to these issues and continue to live in a bubble. Let’s be kinder and focus on having a healthy discourse as opposed to coming up with simplistic takes that are further diving a politically explosive nation that seems to continuously be on the edge as seen through the vitriolic spewed by Pundits and Politicians on new channels and rallies.
That is why corporate classes throughout the world are greedy and self perpetuating, ignoring the larger public interest. Corporates want corporate majdoor and these people fit in that filter.
Ratan Tata ji has proved that compassionate capitalism is possible along with profits and company growth. But these bloody fools just want a meritocracy and profit driven mindset at the cost of societal well being and larger national aspirations.
Its strange and disheartening that most of the people in the comment section are so narrow minded that they have no capacity to comprehend the complex socio economic dynamics of Indian society.
Why exactly is B-school so expensive? What fancy equipments do they have to maintain to teach business?
Not fancy equipments but a major chunk is Prof Payouts. Salaries could easily be north of 60% of total costs for an institute ( my hunch, not backed by data) The most prestigious MBAs have professors at par to a Kellogg for instance. To balance this out, and ofcourse the inflation, brand, alumni, notional gain that a candidate might get with an mba once monetized, etc. could be few reasons as to why it is really that expensive.
Education is also a business - not only India but the whole world . .. need to also delve deep into the IVY League. No different .. You can institute a 'Chair' (donate big money) and get 5:03 a PhD. and the institutions claim credit by honoring otherwise successful visible businessmen with honorary doctorates ... and claim these successful businessmen as their alumni. V hv mechanically copied the west when the west itself has moved far away from what they preached to others
This is the best video i can see regarding the reality of today's indian B schools and MBA.
Thankyou for the information and subscribed ❤️
5:56 Actually a candidate cannot avail both gender diversity and academic diversity benefits in an admission process.Only one of the two applies.
They can and they do. IIM Kozikode had that ridiculous criteria one year, now they have double the points for female candidates than non enginer. IIM Rohtak does it so bad they might as well put a signage " men not allowed" There was an RTI last year which showed they had taken only 19 men in a batch of over 350.
I think less and less people will pursue higher education in our country. Very hopeless scenario.
Hard skills are valued more than just an education degree today >>>
Building on these hard skills is what will take you a long way in your career :)
Higher education is not for everyone,but higher skills are for everyone. For thousands of years , manufacturing skills are the only job producing sector
@@supersayaaainatleast someone is sensible enough ❤..... People are dying for laptop jobs (service's) no one actually wanna get there hands dirty and build something
It is not hopeless, it is hopeful.
India needs people be rewarded for low skill jobs.
Job market is a pyramid and high skill employees are required less.
India, like other developing countries have terrible pay and working conditions for blue collar employees.
To be a developed country, all occupations should pay decent wages.
All countries have diversity. And much lesser seats for Indians.
Also all companies have diversity quota.
This is a thing which stays till we have equal no of women in work place
This is perhaps the best presentation on UA-cam I have seen. Top Quality.
Sadly, the video changed my mind about appearing for CAT this year. The reality lowered my Morale even more. Last year I saw many friends who were leagues ahead of me in academics and work ethic settling for lower IIMs despite getting 99.7,99.9 and so on.
I also thinking same like this, it's kinda demotivating.
Do not get motivated , just keep your head down and study. Stop doubting yourself , and just study for the next 2-3 months. The backup options will be available even after appearing for CAT , you can go for an alternative even after the exam. Till then just keep working and let this attempt be your best shot
Look at top non IIM like xlri, spjimr mdi. Their placements are way ahead of the top non top 4/5 IIMs and have no reservations. But they do have diversity because they have to place students and many top corporates look specifically for women and non engineers
CAT is not an entrance exam like JEE. The whole point of MBA is to shortliat candidates who are already good at their fields to gain communication and business knowldge. The core syllabus demands expertise in that and they would take students with more work experience rather than just cat score. CAT is a reasonably average exam. It is meant to be prepared for along with a job or along with whatever you are studying. Just preparing for an exam and hoping to get into top bschools is not enough. Aalthought CAT provides insights on how good his english, logical and mathematical skills are , but all of that is usually 12th std level. So its not just thw exam , your whole profile is considered. This video did not take that into consideration. Other factors like diversity(is reasonable) and reservation exists everywhere ,cant do much ! (personally i feel this should be eradicated as well).
Brilliant Analysis, Can you also do a full disclosure on online and correspondence PG Programs
I think as a CA student it is the best profession if you are passionate about accounting taxation auditing it all you need is a risk taking capacity and very hard work for months years
aien?
@@SaiSuman😂
I am a ca student as well and I think its not
@@duskydewdrop attempt lg rhe bro ? :)
@@kartik1908 1st attempt and finished inter
MBA without experience is a waste proposition anyway. I don't understand the MBA scam in India.
Have you done MBA?
Said by a person who didn't convert IIMs as being a fresher?
I don't need to and I never applied for because I am a venture capitalist and run my own investment fund. I skipped MBA. I am coming from a place with a good heart. MBA is meaningless without experience and real world knowledge.
@consciousnobody My brother cracked cat and converted to FMS Delhi,being a fresher he is happy and doing well than 95% of corporate graduates
@@Rick2k25Good for him and congratulations. I am happy for you and him.
i have a request 🙏 please make a full discloser video on topic digital marketing or how a unskilled person can learn skills and enter in coorporate world
That's correct I was waiting for someone to disclose this something, so greatful of you guys, let me add more specific people in the organization talk about scores not employability and in india with the corporate politics most of them wants to stick to the job for pay they don't give a damm about results that's the harsh truth.
Hi, so coming from someone who scored 99.52, and being a female non engineer. i still did'nt receive any shortlist because of an exam i took 8 years ago (class 10). please explain the logic> Btw this channel is really a bright light
Logic is being a consistent performer, logic is to filter out from lakhs of students on an objective ground. I think you know the logic but you aren't willing to face it
@@TheEmotionalPotatoe But what if someone scored less than her in cat but got in a top B-school coz of his/her past acad, is this called consistency?
@@ayushsarwankar8337 She was asking for the logic, she knew it was going to be the case before giving the exam. I am not justifying the bullshit arbitrary conditions that B schools set. All the gender diversity thing is pure BS, why would someone who is opting for a fucking 30 lakh fee mba need "gender empowerment". If anything poor women should be uplifted and given 100% scholarships, all this quota system is BS. India is a tough place to live in; we are the sacrificial lamb of India's future, I don't want to be the lamb maybe after MBA and after I have decent experience under my belt I can leave this shithole; meanwhile I will play the cards I have been dealt with man.
@@ayushsarwankar8337 I just mentioned the Grades thing because out of all the bs conditions surprisingly the grades part is the only thing that makes some sense
@@TheEmotionalPotatoe Just FYI MY ACADS ARE 6/9/9, I am a college gold medalist. so i dont know what are you talking about. If you think that's inconsistent then maybe i am really dumb.
Companies are finally reacting to the fact that a significant percentage of candidates, especially women, get admissions based on grace marks, which can vary from 5 to 20 marks depending on the IIM. In an exam where marks matter to the second place of decimal, these super high grace marks ensure that millions of talented general merit men are left out. Then you have the generation caste and religion-based quotas to contend with. Why would a company contend with substandard candidates who entered the institution 18 months ago? What can 18 months of education fundamentally change in a person when they are of poor merit, to begin with.
Unless the reservation and grace marks culture is eliminated, the quality of graduates from Indian elite institutions will see further decline.
Absolutely agree. Well said. I'm from an old IIM and experienced this first hand... My vastly superior peers getting rejected for inferior "diversity" candidates.
Great VDO, I think what all IIMs can do is mandate a work experience of atleast 3-4 years(this should also be done for government exams) pretty similar to what they have in USA, this could help people find do they really want to do an MBA? I don't understand how can u do an MBA, study about various case studies when u have never worked in a corporate, Most of my friends who are doing MBA are the ones who didn't want to work hard in their respective kind of escapism from what u are doing, overEngineering of engineers is definitely an issue, but u can't take out what the LLB students do? Most of the top tier NLU students prefer doing an MBA rather sitting for on-campus placement. If u ask a college graduate who is unemployed what are they doing they are either studying for CAT or preparing for the government exam, if this rule of mandatory work experience is implemented we can see a little change in no. of unemployed people
So in essence you are suggesting
1. If people are scared of competing with mere freshers even with all their experience, the freshers should simply be banned from competing 😂
2. Students of academic disciplines and institutions that do not provide placement after graduation should also be banned from competing
3. Only when all the competition has been eliminated these super meritorious (self certified) will have a fair chance of qualifying 😂😂😂😂😂
Grow up. Corporates are not fools . Neither are the top mba colleges. They KNOW what they are doing.
@ bro pls use an Ilm model to understand what I have written! U can use ChatGPT or Gemini, one thing I can perceive from your reply is u need to work on your comprehensive skills! Cheers
I am an IIM Indore alumni (Full time flagship) and jobless since a year. No shortlist because past degree was BE-Civil 😢
MBA is a scam !
All money is flowing only and only towards tech guys.
And I personally know at least 10+ old IIM grads sailing in the same boat. We all are upskilling in tech right now
What about non-engg students
I was thinking who many months you might have taken to do make these type of videos and then go to your channel and found there were only few videos you have posted and found my intuition right doing great work 👍👍👍
There are many drawbacks to this discussion.
=> You are considering ONLY 1 example of this guy here.. You should include more participants here..
=> What is the other side of story ? any inputs from B-school ? any inputs from corporates who have hired from good colleges ?
=> There is no talk of how the Govt increased the no of seats because of EWS quota recently..
=>Why do corporates need diversity ? what are advantages ? there is no coverage in this aspect..
Do more in-depth research.. this will definitely increase your viewers..
I am not saying you are bad, but a better video with key metrics/data will definitely win more viewers. There are people who eye QUALITY in videos..
Well said
Right
Why your video failed to offer any Solution or may be some options?
Loved it. Had 99.63%ile in CAT back in 2021. Faced the exact same scenario haha.
Great in-depth analysis and not a superficial one.
:( oh no! we hope this video helped open your eyes…it’s not you, it’s the system!
You did your best ♥️🫡
@@asimmogal3280 didn't have a call from BLACKI
@@FullDisclosure. being a cat veteran I knew what was going to be in the video. watched it to see whether you'll get it correctly or not. you did!
@@asimmogal3280no he didn't
@@asimmogal3280he's already in a very good position in his career atm.
7:37 What a line !!
"Client want diversity in their companies...... or at least a diverse pool to choose from".
The second half of the sentence is honestly the reality. !
What an eye-opener line !
In love with the direction, the plot and the entire conversation. An epic way of telling the truth. ❤
Is it worth doing MBA from a government university? Because the fees is too low comparing to top B schools.
12:21 But anmol bro you made it to MDI Gurgaon (easily the top 10), toh chala hi jata :)
Truee
Made it myself left it, at 1%tile less than him
Yay 9 days to cat,highly motivated thanks♥️🫠
Kesa gya bhai
kitna score aaya bhoi?
you did good?
So did you make 99.92?
Hi ,
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I saw you’re hiring for creative roles, and I’d love the chance to bring my [specific skill/experience] to your team. Contributing to such meaningful work would be an incredible opportunity.
Hoping to connect and explore this further!
The production quality is increasing with every video 😊🧿
They have kinda used the write information incorrectly. Conflating between institutions. IIM Ranchi and MDI are not in the same league. Confused between summers and finals. The college messaging and the unannounced recession. 93% of all MBA is not the same as top colleges where people want to go to.
True, one should avoid Tier 2 & 3 MBA Colleges. Rather invest that money somewhere. Avoid Chitkara.
Local college who the damn is going to local college ...
@@harshitasingh7350 who the damn used the word 'local'?
Why avoid chitkara@@NS-id7ff
I am amazed how you folks do it so well. Hope that the quality of content sustains over time. Great work 👏👏👏
I scored 98% percentile in CAT, was never able to convert IIM ABC or LK. But converted IIM Nagpur but did not opted the course as fees was 20Lac. IIM is highly overpriced, median ctc is like 18 lac. so there is high chances of living in debt for 3-5 year. I never wanted to study in fear of debt, Imagine if you got a baclog or remain unplaced how will you pay 20lac. so I gave GATE and doing Mtech in NIT trichy. I might not earn as much as if I opted MBA but lets see what happens next.
Its Better to do MBA from FMS delhi, IIT Delhi, IIT mumbai, Jamnalal bajaj then from any IIM.
mtech in what domain
Why Don't So Many Engineers, Managers in India Get together And Build Their Own Google, UA-cam, Facebook Etc.
Why Do You Want a Job ??
If You're Capable Then Organize Yourselves, And Build a Company and Make Money
That would require imagination and guts...plus Sharmaji ke bete ko dekha?
actually i am preparing for CAT 2024 now, but i know all of this already still i do for chance to get into most prestigious B school all over india, second thought to get offer letter from university from USA.
So is it true that mba is waste?
Mba from tier 2-3 college is a waste@@mandeepkour9685
@@mandeepkour9685no
Full disclosure is now my new fav yt channel ❤❤❤
Awesome video; you successfully managed to cover all the aspects of an MBA
One good takeaway from this video could be that
DO AN MBA FROM A TOP 10 B-School otherwise, it's not worth it.
Brilliant .. Exactly same line of thought I had when I discussed with my daughter , who is having 3 years work experience in MICROSOFT and CS rank student from RVCE Bangalore .. Yes .. It is not worth it.. More over as the AI world develops , the so called special skills gets commoditized .. For example : Calculating IRR itself was gerat skill 20 years back -- Today it is flash in Excel .. Hence MBA as a specialized field will get diminished going forward dur to AI infusion in every walks of business and life .. MBA life cycle is ended ..
This video is made for engineers - client and product - both are engineers.
Good Job my Son, Keep it up 👍 😘
10:15 "I was a male..... Oh, I'm a male"😂
Wow the quality of the video top notch every sentence in it is on point....
Thank you ♥️♥️♥️
Nicely presented and very carefully crafted to provide us the info. Feeling very sorry for the bro who worked so hard to get through and yet couldn't find a spot due to the harsh and dirty politics that has ruined every single institution in our shit hole country.
unfortunately solution batana bhul gayi😢.
U guys should also make vids on Govt. exams like Banking, railways, and all.
Reservation is the main reason why worthy candidate don't get selected
Wrong.
how wrong? @@harbonator36446
Aarey bhai sirf bahana chahiye Tereko rant karne kaa
Great production! Would have been more useful for me if full forms of terms like "ROI" (kept thinking of this as "rate of interest" throughout the video) and "CTC" were mentioned (or even better, displayed on screen, then it wouldn't hamper the flow of the screenplay either) while speaking of these. With thanks and regards...
I am quite impressed by the way the video has been presented the script the scenes everything was just impressive
Good work team ❤
I think there's a major issue with the narrative surrounding IIMs in India-why is it always about CAT? People say it's because of exposure, but that's not entirely true. Plenty of other entrance exams lead to B-Schools that are on par with IIMs. Yet, those schools don't fit the IIT/IIM hype. Why not explore TISS, GMAT, NMAT, SNAP, or even XAT? And why isn’t FMS talked about more? It’s on the rise, with fees around just 2 lakhs and an average package of 34 LPA 😌. Before settling on an entrance exam or college, consider getting some proper counseling. There’s so much more to this than what meets the eye!
Why is FMS so cheap, and others so expensive? And are there more budget friendly options like FMS?
@@danlightened yes there are des from delhi jbims from mumbai have fees under 8 lakhs
@@danlightened yes why not try tiss ?? they have even 1 to 2 lakh fees and average is 28 LPA 🔥🔥
@@kumargaurav5390 Thanks a lot
Ah cool cool, thanks! 🙏🏼
funfact in india top mba college select canditate in such way that they are harvard business school
😂😂😂
i got 98 percentile in jee main but still got rejected . I hate caste system
the great and full disclosure ive ever heard , need more videos on the b schools of india (weather it will for adv or dis) jus wanna hear the another perspective.
❤️🫡
This is the type of content india needs rn. You guys deserve a lot, atleast a million hearts ❤
Hey loved the format of the video and kudos to the editing team. I just had my share my 2 cents since I was contemplating doing my MBA from India vs Abroad.
1) Indian MBAs (just as you mentioned) are ready to take in freshers without any work experience. MBA is not another degree program, people go there to actually engage and develop holistic perspectives and I fail to understand how freshers will be able to relate to the concepts and contribute in class.
2) Diversity is something that all MBA schools need and it is perfectly valid. The issue is when you bring in reservation based on caste, which so heavily influences the entry, that as a general candidate I don’t even want to get into that blood bath.
3) CAT percentile is everything! Can you imagine schools having 60-70% of the weightage on CAT score and merely 5% weightage on work ex and personal interests (like seriously?)
4) Mindset - MBA in India is just another way to get a job. People don’t really put in the effort to network and on developing themselves, rather just carry the brand and assume that they will get the job (Sense of entitlement is surprising) They will then again enter the rat race and compete for pointers just to get the best jobs. So my question is - where is the learning, collaboration, getting inspired by your cohort etc?
All in all, the quality of input is equal to the quality of output!
Even B schools in USA and Europe reject students who may have higher GMAT GRE scores than those admitted. Management education is not engineering with only one right answer. Different perspectives are more important than who got the right answer.
In India, diversity just equals to more females. Having less number of males than females is being considered an achievement, even if there's just 1 male for 100 females that ratio will be applauded by everyone while the other way around is always regarded with sexism remarks. It's now prevalent everywhere, getting into MAANG companies (I have first hand seen this in campus placements, Males were asked very hard questions in interviews and still not getting selected while females were asked basic questions and getting selected) is way easier being a female while almost impossible being a male. This kind of hiring will in time lead to more discrimination rather than less when every female will be considered a diversity hire regardless of her skills. Rather than attacking the root cause of less female participation in STEM or management fields they are just giving cheat codes to one already in the system, it might work for the mean while but it will ultimately ruin the whole eco system.
In India women participation in workforce is only 23% less than Saudi Arabia.
Only companies with preference for women are IT and Consulting companies and they are doing it to manage there skewed ratios over the years. Still in India in IT only 30% workforce is women.
It's wierd af of men crying for women getting still less than 30% representation while being 50% of population.
Only 30% of women give CAT, women's higher education is so much discouraged in India, the avg marriage age for women is 19.
Yall crying over some effing marks given rightfully in country where women face systemic discrimination and makes such low percentage of workforce
@@Xoxososowi like I said in my comment, attack the root cause of the problem. Spread awareness for women's education and bit by bit change the mindset of population, problem with the current system is that it is not benefitting the females who are in need of it. While it is making it easier for women who are enrolled in institutions and already studying at par with males, level the playing field (hiring should be on the basis of skills) if a female is studying in the same class as me with the same resources as myself, why should they get advantage in hiring? This is just corporate bs to look good in public while not batting an eye on the real problem.
@@Xoxososowi you are still saying its less?? half of the companies are bsuy hiring women and genders tahtdoesmnt even exist 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@Xoxososowimate , hiring women just for the sake of "hiring women" is gonna throw dirt on the names of women who actually are capable and have merit to be in the institutions , diversity hiring can only take toh so far , the root cause of gender disparity in the job market has to be addressed, which is Neglected Education of the girl child and Cultural Stigmas , a little diversity is good like 20-80 , but if you overdo it then it leads to quality dilution and sooner on later it will come to bite the institution in the ass
Percentage wise there is less women in workforce, because percentage wise there are less women who graduate from colleges.... And why do u guys only talk about diversity and inclusion in IT, consultancy companies... What happens to manual labour jobs, like constructing high rises, or working in an oil rig. Because they are not desirable... and women like you want to get the honeymoon life without the effort for it. @@Xoxososowi
Loveena, powerful topic to talk about. Your inquiry on this topic is on point and relevant today. Full Disclosure is awesome!