The Cheapest Way To Fix A Porsche 996's IMS Bearing | Wheeler Dealers
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- Опубліковано 26 тра 2019
- Watch Ant get this Porsche's IMS Bearing (Intermediate Shaft Bearing) looking as good as new. He'll show you how to access the IMS Bearing, remove it and fit a new one as cheaply as possible.
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Hi Ant, I would like to pass-on my experiences with Sealed Bearings. I have purchased many of these, over the last 20 years, and I would like to point out that all sealed bearings are not the same. Some have Rubber or Viton Seals, and you can also specify steel seals. I have seen more premature sealed-bearing failures that I care to mention. If you take a brand-new sealed bearing, whether this is a steel seal or rubber seal does not matter. Please take a look inside - with one seal removed. Frequently, you will find just a ' suspicion' of medium grease! Barely enough to do the job, especially in a very hot environment! The Seals can be easily removed - with care. So - here is what I do to double or even triple the life of any sealed bearing in a hot environment. First, you must thoroughly clean all of the original grease from the new bearing. Use Degreaser for this. Then, in a perfectly-clean environment, go and buy yourself a Tube or Tub of ROCOL High-Temperature Grease. Place approx. 50% of the High-Temp Grease, inside your new clean Bearing, by volume. That is to say, that you leave 50% of the bearing ungreased, on each side of the bearing. Rotate the bearing until you see the grease spread out- all around the new bearing. Carefully replace the original seals. Then fit the Bearing. I truly believe that a Bearing which is slightly modified in this way, is highly suitable for the IMS Replacement. This could even be a more 'permanent' solution to all the IMS Issues. I regularly watch you at work, and you really explain everything well. Sorry this is lengthy, but I just had to write to you about my methods which have had a 100% success rate in bearings that are subjected to hot environments. This is not a Bearing Load Issue. It is a Failed Lubrication Issue. It really is worth the 15 minutes of effort - to place a far SUPERIOR lubricant inside the IMS Bearing before installation. I have no connection or business interest with ROCOL. Greetings from Sydney, Australia.
I love analysis like this that gets to the Why. Why did a thing fail? Understanding that always results in a higher chance of a successful repair
thankyou seems to be a good solution
Came here to understand IMS bearing failure. Found amazing presenter that should have his own TV show
can we just respect that he drew an almost perfect circle in one go, my respect for ant just went up
I refuse to respect "almost" and offer no apology for that
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You're welcome.
At least one go that made it onto the finished vid.
I don’t even own a Porsche but I enjoyed his explanation of the IMS problem.
Working on cars is so easy with the right equipment.
also NO RUST. Look how clean that undercarriage is
And a lift in a climate controlled garage :-)
Ohhh is it really
A capable/good mechanic also makes it look easy.
I'd say the ability to edit on the fly is what makes this look easy. You can make as many mistakes as you like and take as long as you like with the ability to edit.
When Edd left I didn't think I would like the 'new guy' but I was wrong. Ant is a nice guy and does it well in his own way.
Plus he doesn't moan (as much as Ed) endlessly like girl
It is mike that we don’t like loved Edd and Ant.
Nex minnut
@Neromare LLC hahaha Sherlock Holmes himself ?
@@ironmantooltime but does have annoying and weird facial expressions..
I'm really glad Ant has so clearly found his feet on WD - I know "purists" like to bemoan Edd's departure as the death of the show, but Ant continues to grow as a presenter and is a more than worthy successor at this point.
I definitely respect the way Ant and Elvis presented their repair work. Very informative for us beginner mechanics. I’d like to see those 2 work together eventually
The beauty of this kit is,it's easy to see if the upgrade has been done by looking for the new oil line,yeah the belly pan has to come off,but once you verify it's been done it's a good selling/ buying point.
.. Ima buy Yhuu!!!
nah.. jus kiddin.
Excellent point ol chap! Lol
I agree with other comments that the replacement kit is way too expensive, but this is the best video I ever saw in the IMS subject! Thanks, very instructive!
junior fag bearing NJ2204-E-XL-TVP2 £25 DONE MINE AND MY BOYS I BOUGHT A COUPLE ENGINES CLEVER DESIGN
Try James P on UA-cam. He goes deeper and explains why the bearings fail in the first place. And his videos are the best I've ever seen on the IMS subject.
DOF, Direct oil Fed is $1800 installed at TunersMotorsports Florida. With a bearing option of your choice add a few hundred more. Why install a LN which they recommend you replace after a few years for $3k to $4k? Hipe!!!
Have you priced an engine rebuild by comparison? 🤪
@@joejoe188 No they don't. The kit Ant used is permanent
Ant’s automotive knowledge is incredible. Makes everything seem so easy
LOVE Wheeler Dealers... this new chap seems nice enough. Ed China was/is a geeza it always makes me smile how he and this new chap would do all this work in their fully equipped garage for free.
One of the best auto repair videos I've ever seen. I want to ask Ant out on a date!
Bush insertion tool.
I have one of those.
John Greer but the hole is always pre lubed ! Mmmmmm must be the deluxe kit !!😄😄😄
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Ha ha ha .... did make me chuckle... So school boy
So do I. And my wife has the bit I hit.
@@Subsonic-cd2en Probably not what she says!!
This video is the first I've seen from WD and I have to say, it is 'top notch'. I just bought my first Porsche (1999 Boxter) and am getting acquainted with all things Porsche. This is very useful information and the presentation was engaging and helpful - will be watching for more to come!
Awesome video. About to order the kit for my 97' boxster 2.5. the clutch is going and figured I'd do it all at once
Love this Program , I really enjoy on Sundays when they are 6 hour straight marathons of this Show
With Edd maybe...I like Ant....but that fat mouthed burger munching narcissistic back stabber Brewer should be sacked..like almost everyone I just skip his pointless contribution...I am still raging at the you tube clip of him blaming Ed China and accusing him of having a large ego and sabotaging the show...disgusting
@@alanwayte432 Unfortunately the don't show the episodes with Edd anymore and I watch what is available
I met Ant at SEMA in 2018 and he was great to me and took the time to talk and a take a photo with me. When WD made the change from Edd to Ant, I wasn't sure about it, but he has done a great job and is a good fit. This video is proof of that and I found this a fascinating alternative to what the factory did and a much better solution to the problem. Porsche should have done this from the factory.
I did the LN engineering Kit on my 997.1 Carerra S at 62000 miles in 2015, no issues since, the original IMS was flawless….but i sleep better at night...and i like that i can use a high end oil filter, i use Royal Purple filter, My 997 have now passed 96000 miles on track and german autobahn without issues ALLWAYS use a certified installer, WD have jumped over many important steps in this video
Yes they have. May be that is what Ed didn't like about the new format.
It's just a TV show everything is staged. They make everything look easy.
That was a great overview. Thanks Ant!
Video was great until 7:29
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Pelican parts has a lot of technical articles, and the one on the 996 IMS bearing replacement is no exception. In their directions you use long 6X1.0mm setscrews to hold the IMS in position while you change out the bearing, only having to position the cam to allow the screws to hold the IMS in place. Never tried it that way as the couple times i did that job the shop had the proper tools.
Most excellent explanation of the IMS fix.
I have Porsche Cayenne Turbo and you are really good! Love the video and subscribed! Great job.
I wonder how many people would watch Wheeler Dealers with Edd,Ant and Mike.They would be a great team!
There's an article from Autohaus Hamilton in Australia about the IMS.
google “Autohaus Hamilton Porsche IMS” The article lists all the models and
engines (with engine numbers) that are affected. "The Porsche models that are
prone to IMS failure and should be replaced are: All 986 Boxster models. - 987
Cayman & Boxster models up to engine number 61504715 - All 996 models (not
including: GT and Turbo models) - 997 3.6ltr with M96/05 up to engine number
6950745" Before 2000 Porsche used a double row IMS Bearing which had a low
failure rate, then they switched to a single row until 2005 - 2006 and this
single row has had the most problems. After 2005 - 2006 Porsche stayed with the
single row but increased it's size and strength and this bearing has had the
least problems of all three types of bearings used from 1997 to 2008. The
upgraded bearing in the 997 and 987 is unserviceable, meaning you can't reach it
unless you strip the entire engine down. Some of the early production 2005 -
2006 987 and 997 might have the pre-upgraded bearing fitted, that's why the
engine numbers in the Autohaus article might be helpful in determining which
type of IMS bearing is installed.
Mr. Jake Raby from Flat 6 Innovations says he has only ever seen 3 M97 engines built after 2006 blow an IMS bearing (Link see comments ua-cam.com/video/Srrq4-d3mOg/v-deo.html) Rennvision by The Knowledge Gruppe.
Starting in 2008 Porsche introduced the new 997.2 and 987.2 and switched to a DFI direct fuel injection engine which doesn't have an IMS Bearing.
Wow. Great job. You did the homework. Thanks for sharing info.
When IMS of older Boxster's have to be replaced, take an LN Engineering IMS.
How does it work after 2008? Do they use an intermediate shaft nonetheless?
As far as i know, all the cayman's dont have the ims issues, they have all the 3rd generation (is how I call it) IMS.
@An idiot in a racing car,
Later they used a way more huge ims, so it will not get dry and will feed enough oil.
However, when this have to be replaced, it will be a whole lot more work to replace it.
The older type engines is best to replace it with a caramic ims, that one can hold way more heat.
Dont take oil feeder systems unless they can filter the oil and that will be too expensive comparing just taking an caramic.
This man is very knowledgeable & precise
Great video. Either convinced me to find a great mechanic, or selling car before I need one.
TalK to TUNERS MOTORSPORTS in Coral Springs FL. He has patents onnthe oil fed solution and i visited his shop recently, spoke to the owner and for my 01 Base Boxster is $1800 out the door
About five years ago, I had $15,000 in repairs ( cash ) with a local shop after the IMS bearing went on my 996. No warning, signs. I was driving and suddenly there was a grinding noise and I could feel the car struggling.
Otherwise pristine car with 50,000 km. The dealership btw was saying between $20k -25k in repairs, or new engine for $30k plus. That repair kit sounds like a deal to me.
This isn’t a repair. It’s preventative.
If the IMS goes it goes, and the engine is toast. You’d be silly to buy a factory replacement. You send your car to someone like Flat 6 Innovations and have them build the engine that gave up into something much, much better than factory.
He knows his stuff . been watching it since day 1 pity edd is gone but ant is a fine mechanic
I loved Ant from the first time I seen him on for the love cars mk1 Mexico build 😁
Hi Ant, I have replaced my IMS bearing to a IMS bushing. The problem I'm having is reinstalling the transmission. is there a certain way to get it to go in? thanks
Probably should have covered the open hole where the bearing resides before grinding away metal a couple inches away.
Very cool vid, nobody else explains how the IMS fits into the engine. Thx!
Wheeler Dealer TV show is right on top of my favorites. My only wish is for more 'new' shows and less of the re-runs,....although, watching a show, any show usually provides a second chance to get what I missed the first time.
There's no comparing Edd with Ant, as they have their own techniques and presentations. I do like Ant's drawings of what he's about to do.
Thumbs way up on this series.
Great job Ant! Been thinking about getting a 996 and this is something that always comes up, not sure if I could do it on the drive though 😂
Had a 996 and had the IMS replaced. Traded it in because a tight cornering move would occasionally sent a cloud of white smoke billowing from the tailpipes that literally could be used as a smoke screen. First time it happened I thought the engine blew. Funny thing is, the engine always ran strong.
The best ims video on UA-cam
I did an IMS bearing install with the LN Engineering Single Row Pro IMS retrofit. Pretty straightforward, and I put in a new Sachs clutch/RMS while I was at it. The oil fed option seems better as long as oil change maintenance intervals are adhered to. I did lock the cams as well.
Did you tighten the nuts
@@robwaters995 lol.
This episode was great, since you work on all this cool German stuff from time to time has Ant ever tacked the notorious s4 v8 timing chain dilemma?? Almost bought one with the chains that were shot but not only was the kit expensive but the engine had to come out
Great show, I really enjoy it
Lioneldad 77. Yes, the Audi chain problem is a $7500 fix. Ouch.
Excellent video guys. Still a fan, been watching for a long time.
Thank you simply diving into the repair. No ridiculous branding intro or useless blabbering
Nice Video... Please Advise, what replacement bear was used And Where Can I get it / Buy one along with the required tools
Been a Porsche guy my since 1975 when I got back from time spent in the Service overseas and have always done my own work on the cars. Purchased a new Base Boxster in '05 and lost the IMS (not a good day let me tell you) two years ago with only 22K. Always cut filter open to look, changed oil twice a year, etc. Just to have Porsche look at the car would have cost in excess of $1,200, and there were no promises...let me tell you. Talked to Jake Raby of Flat Six Innovations (FSI), and after quite a lengthy discussion I decided to ship the car to him. He was able to rebuild the engine (only damage to shaft and chain...no damage to internals of engine. He made a couple of upgrades, and installed the "IMS Solution" (plain bearing that is oil fed). I will not purchase another new Porsche, but my experience with FSI was one of the best ones I've ever had with a company. They said what they were going to do and did exactly that...100% satisfied. I guess Porsche went with this IMS rear bearing (this cheap design) because it allowed them to save money. Instead of casting both a right and left side head they only had to cast one head. Then they used this single head on both sides but because of the mirror image they had to put a cam chain on the back side of the motor on one head. This "back-side" sealed bearing on the IMS is the one that fails.
Best thing to do is to pull the oil filter out every 3 months or every 3000 Miles you will lose about a half a quart of oil and you can inspect the filter. The oil fed IMS solution makes sense and it's what I will do to my 01 Boxster brand new bearing oil fed and only $1,800 out the door
@@joejoe188 Actually i did just that, cut the oil filters open and still have them in fact! I changed oil 1100 miles before the failure, had drain plug with a magnet...no metal any where...then total failure!! Now have the IMS Solution (oil fed plain bearing). I agree...that is the only fix!!!
@@joejoe188 Because of the cost of a IMS bearing replacement, why not have a SOAP analysis? Cheap protection. In aviation it is standard ...
Ant you are a genius
There is a huge omission in the video. Both on TV and online. One of the most important steps in the process is to release the tension on the timing chains. If you do not do that, you are likely to ruin the engine. Given how much time they spent on removing the tranny and oil. they could have at least mentioned that most important step. Even then, a video of it could have taken less than 15 seconds. I get that it is TV - not all steps are covered. But the most important one should have been.
setting to TDC and locking everything in place is an important step I thought would of been mentioned at least even if not shown....
very clear, well done. do not own a Boxter yet, but who knows..Thanks for the upload!
Would have liked more detail on how to remove the gear box
Also I would have thought he would have checked the filter to see if there was and metal in it
BUT great and useful video Thanks
You should purchase the Porsche shop manual which describes the process.
Thanks for the very helpful video. Btw, why didn't you fill-up the oil filter with oil to prevent dry start up?
It saves time drying it after a wet start up
Love this guys explanations
which is the most reliable ims replacement bearing ?
Did you lock the cams and remove the chain tensioners ?
Good video 👍
Great content. Well produced video.
Seriously this made the dreaded ims bearing replacement seem not that difficult. Great video.
oversimplified version. This is a $4500 to $5000 job including labor at a Porsche Dealership and you might as well do the Flywheel and Clutch replacement at the same time.
Damn you make that look easy! Nice job!
Nice job i am now versed in the infamous IMS bearing. I have a 2010 Boxster S and I hear that is not a problem ? Maybe you can enlighten me on that one though? I am in the process of buyting a 2000 911 carrera. Not certain about that one though
fantastic video production
Great video thanks! Who makes this bearing and where can I source it?
Good work old boy!
This was very informative & I now know exactly what that all is..I barely drive my 996 Turbo but its probaby the Baddest Turbo 996 Ive Ever Seen & When I found out abt This problem, I didt really know wtf they were talking abt But when I found out made me not want drive my car at all😩.Ur video has definitely taken some of the fear Out of that now, so thanks for this video🎸
Turbo doesn't have these issues since the engine structure is different! Good luck and DRIVE!
I have this kit in mine. No more IMS anxiety.
Where can I get that aftermarket IMS bearing? What’s the brand name, please? I believe he didn’t mention the brand name, etc. Thanks.
@@Alans63 There's different ones - LN is one recommended. See lnengineering.com/
I've seen updated bearings but never seen a solution like that bush. Cool. Still seems like a bit of friction, even with oil. That's why we have bearings
Hope nobody tries to follow this and thinks this is all there is to i.
Some important steps have not been shown, no cams locked, no chain tensioner's backed off, maybe they did in the full episode, please do your homework before attempting it yourself, its not hard to do but the correct steps must be followed.
Good points. Completely unnecessary, too. All you have to do is take the outer dust seal off the bearing and it will be sufficiently lubricated (ignore those guys who say not: strange how they're always the one selling lubrication kits).
@@EvoraGT430 I'm not selling lubrication kits but you are wrong. Removing the seal just allows splash lubrication on the surface of the bearing, in other words you would be running a dry bearing. Good luck with that. The oil fed solutions are the only true fixes. Not the replacement bearings alone, be it metal or ceramic. The Bush solution shown here I've never seen before but if it eliminates the use of bearings completely then it will be my choice
That's why Edd left the show. Velocity producers don't want to "waste" time showing this kind of things to us...
@@eddherring3088Actually, 2 stroke engines run 15k rpm (and over) and ball bearings are only lubricated by an oil mist. They seem to stay together rather well. The ims bearing sits partially (1/3-1/2) submerged in oil in the sump, BTW.
Cam locking covered here
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Neat. Worth every penny. Don't know why I enjoyed this so much, I can't afford a Porsche!
I couldn’t afford the kit.. forget the car
@@mikemargo I can't afford UA-cam premium!
I have a 2001 911 996 Cabriolet, had 122,000 miles when I bought it in 2017, it has a 132,000 now, it does NOT have the IMS replaced! I called Porsche in Santa Barbara who did all work on it from swcond owner, and they said because its miles are high with no problems, don't believe it should be a problem! I've had zero issues so far with the IMS (knock on wood)
When grinding make sure you close up any openings to the engine to avoid flying particles.
Regards
Didnt know they relaunched the show. Yeh man I like the new bloke really good
Nicely done, sir.
I think you may find it's a good Idea to lock the cam chains before you even touch that bearing....And I think you'll find some parts in that very expensive IMS solution set to do just that, or at
least, it should be included.
Hi.
where can i buy this IMS bearing kit? Kind Regards
Excelente vídeo !
Gostaria de ver como se remove o vazamento de óleo , do carter da BMW 320 I 2008 .
Great video and presentation top notch
Holy shit Look how this guy gets into the main topic immediately right after I clicked the play button
this man is awesome !
What happens if those little channels get clogged with dirt or dirty oil? We replaced the ims bearings on our 911 around 136,000 miles and the original one that came out was still in good working condition. I still have it as a paper weight on my desk.
Ant, you are so cool whit car's, respect, lover your show's
You said nothing about setting 1 cylinder to Tdc, then locking the crankshaft pully with Porsche special tool. Then also locking the camshafts with Porsche special tool as well.
Yes, without those informations this video create more problems then solutions!
Did you lock the cams and remove the chain tensioners before extracting the bearing? If not, extremely risky!
That's what l was thinking, how can you remove the bearing without supporting the IMS shaft?
No reply to your very valid question !!
James Healey, I assume they did everything right (Ant has a very good reputation in the classic car world) but they don’t show everything. They didn’t always show Edd locking pulleys and cams etc.
I’m sure an actual off-screen mechanic did. So all Ant would do was the easy parts.
Great video!
Awesome solution!!
How much more labor does it take to do a tiptronic 1999 986? Also was the bearing removed from this video a dual row?
such amazing video, just like the mechanic talking way!!
Just had my Boxster S 2004 bearing replaced with the EPS roller bearing upgrade. A better engineered solution than this bush version and has a 5 year warranty. The original bearing was not about to fail but didn't feel as freely moving as it should.
Why is it a better solution? The price looks much better!
Where the new addition IMS oil feed inout gets a hole drilled, what is the mechanism for ensuring that this doesnt leak oil or is it considered to be a safe, small insignificant oil leak?
I noticed that on your video it doesn’t show you having to put the crack on top dead center and also you didn’t have to install a camshaft locking tool to keep them from moving and also the chain tensioner didn’t have to be loosen up.
Did you forgotten to mention that?
Or those additional work wasn’t require at all?
Hi! Which is the kit used? I own a porsche 911 targa 996, so I'm considering options.
seems that it ok to modify a factory casting to install this ???
Thanks so much for that!
A fantastic explaination.
I like cars more than I miss Edd, so I keep watching!
Whatever mate, one of the few.. wheeler dealers was all about Edd China
Nice dent on the new oil filter
i need this fix...but where do u get this new bearing
I hope Ant removed tension from the timing chain tensioners and locked the cams in place!! Or on the older engines, at least released tension and took cam plugs off to inspect timing.
off the assembly line porsche should have used a bearing with small passage threw the aluminum channel going into the bearing via a grease fiting zerk fiting for a external grease gun to apply grease every 30,000 miles. going to the bearing store and geting a nmb brand sealed ceramic nitride bearing with synthetic marine grease installed would last 3x longer than stock for around $300 dollars in the us as the better solution from the factory build. this is a sad problem with a name like porsche, so many affected over years. your way is cheap quick and interesting. its nice its oil pump lubricated with the add on line, but metal to metal bushings only last so long. i would imagine not much tolerance for the oil to start seeping by and leaking in a short run. porsche new better, they knew this was a big money maker for car dealers. nice video thank you.
Porsche should have just used the proven plain bearing design proven in the Mezger engines.
He made it look so easy!
How exactly does that bearing puller work?
Can this be done with the IMS on a Boxster motor?
Good to see you again Ant. Is there any truth in the rumour that the ASM DBR1 was your baby?
how long does this IMS bush last? Have they been known to fail? How old are the oldest ones?
I think I need to buy a Porsche now.
What an easy fix ...
Just gotta have all the torque specs 😎
awsome vids kee it up.