Emet-Selch's Story EXPANDS! FFXIV x NieR Reincarnation Crossover Explained
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- We have new details about one of Final Fantasy XIV's most iconic characters. Emet-Selch's story is shown in a new perspective in a crossover with the mobile game NieR Reincarnation. Here's everything we've learned courtesy of the NieR team and the lead writer from Shadowbringers.
Spoilers for the Vestiges of Paradise subquest event.
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I desperately want more stories of the Ancients. Considering that Square-Enix has never said that all the ancient stories are done, only Hydaelyn and Zodiark, gives me hope that their story may not be done after all.
I want more too.
@@StoutHelmI'm loving your videos even though I know most of the lore; it's really great to just have a recap at times. You are doing good work; I can't wait to see more!
We haven’t yet seen all 10 of the sundered Convocation members. Since it seems that only one awakened sundered soul holds a seat at any point in time (relative to the Source apparently) we can assume that the rest are active on other shards. Do they know what happened? What are they doing now? Gaia presumably didn’t disappear or lose her memories so they other sundered members probably didn’t either. I really hope they don’t completely write them off.
I’d play the crap out of a prequel game just about the ancients. I want to know EVERYTHING
IFKR?!???? They can release it as a stand alone RPG story driven game like other ffxiv games and i will play it my whole life xD
@@stars-and-clouds yep. Me too. They can cash cow the crap outta Eorzea. Take my money xD
I’d be all over this.
we need it
It has to include a jumping into a volcano side quest
I always wondered what Emet saw right after he, Elidibus and Lahabrea left the rift.
To have even a small insight of what they saw almost right after the Hydaelyn kick is both interesting and frightening.
I agree, love the little details about that time that we haven’t gotten before. Also the reveling is hilarious.
After finishing Endwalker and getting outside info like this, going back to the shadowbringer speeches of Emet is super interesting and insightful as well. Lot of sentences seem to be directed different than they were the first time they were spoken, without the proper context, it's genius.
Did I miss it or is there ever mentioned how the unsundered avoided sundering?
@@ovted129 in an interview it was that Venat as Hydaelyn left a small chance for those three to escape. But it's not been said in game and we could still have a further explanation giving in time, maybe with the pandemonium raid.....
@@kaleajadesilver8918 I think the wording was a small hole for Emet-selch to escape, with Lahabrea and Elidibus managing to slip through. It would make sense, since Hades as Emet-selch was close with Venat as Azem, and she has a lot of insight into how his mind works when she talks to you about him. I hope Pandaemonium will expand on how Lahabrea and Elidibus got through. They seem so disconnected from Emet-selch and Venat/Azem as people, outside of being fellow Convocation members.
Ancients lore in my favorite. I hope they don't stop indulging us with tales. Emet Selch is my favorite FF antagonist and want more of him, even though his story has come to a close.
Saaaame
I just miss my best boys. I want like a series (manga, fic, whatever!) with Azem, Hades, and Hythlodaeus' crazy adventures and just... hanging out with them. I love their interaction and I still wish my WoL could've just yoinked them to join my motley crew. Hyth would be up for it, and Hades would come around to it... eventually.
Hythlo is going to force Emet-Selch to wait for WoL to die so they can all reincarnate together so as long as the player is alive they could show up. Door is still open.
i loved running ktisis with the trust system, the little interactions between emet, venat and hythlodaeus were so fun
Emet Selch is a fascinating character. I would love to have more stories of him.
10,000 years of grief and duty which he can’t even really share with his two remaining companions because one is choosing to forget and the other has gone insane.
Finally finding a remnant of a dear friend and tries to reconnect with them, all the while knowing it very well may end with him killing his old friend.
It’s no wonder why he was finally able to stand tall at the end, now that he was at last able to share his grief and lay down his duty.
*12,000
Just to be clear. Elidibus doesn't choose to forget. His memory is frayed and broken since he pulled out of Zodiark. He chooses not to look at his crystal and remember because he can't bear the pain of forgetting his memories twice.
Emet-Selch is hands down one of the best antagonists in gaming history. I hope he will be as well known as Sephiroth one day.
He’s definitely already up there, in my mind anyway.
Emet is like favorite in like 85% of ppls minds he is not dubed daddy emet fir nothing lol
Weirdly enough I never saw him as an antagonist. More like a rival that was both helpful and in our way.
Good news, everyone! Thanks to a recent poll by Squeenix, Emet-Selch has dethroned Sephiroth as Final Fantasy's most popular villain!
@@auragleaf02 I mean he is a antagonist as it means some one against the protagonist
It'd be pretty interesting to get a crossover where you hear from Emet what he's doing but it's framed more like a good thing, details left out that paint it badly, and you help him get back to continue his quest. Something that'd intrigue people who don't play FFXIV but would give added context, perspective, and be a nice "Oh shit" moment for players. Double points if he's in a different but similar body and the reveal is made right when he's sent back.
Neat to see how exactly the new worlds started out. I'd been curious. Everybody waking up and not even having a language must have been insane. No wonder it bothered him so much, that'd leave a very powerful impression.
No kidding. I wonder how those souls advanced beyond that.
@@StoutHelm I always assumed Emet and Co tried to teach them at first. It's what that man we met in Elpis would have done. But those souls were flawed/sundered, and it would probably feel like a modern human trying to teach neanderthals. Eventually, he'll give up and try to find another way - which lead to the Rejoinings.
I’d play the heck out of a standalone game where you play as unsundered Azem going on adventures with Hythladeaus and Emet Selch (even let you import a 14 character as base). As for the ancients showing up in the main game. It might be wise to let them be for one XPac cycle and if they do show up again have it be minor with major developments coming down the line. I don’t want them to just be forgotten.
This does confirm my theory that he approached the Scions in ShB because he recognized the WOL.
Emet told us we have to remember them. So I’m all for more stories. Even a standalone game.
There can never be too much Emet-Selch. He’s a very well written character with infinite depth.
Damn right.
Oof
Endwalker spoilers***
The Ancients should have more stories. The Final Days timeline in Eitherys is ambiguous. Obviously it's at the end of everything but with Asphodelos being the raid line after the MSQ events of Elpis there could definitely be more stories involving The Convocation.
*Pandaemonium. Asphodelos is the first part. Abyssos is next
It depends on whether the side stories are canon though. In Pand, Themis is not yet Elidibus. But in the MSQ Elpis, Hythlodaeus tells Venat about Azem & the volcano. In the side story, he was Elidibus. So if that’s accurate, Pand has to have occurred before Elpis. Which brings up a lot more questions, such as how Azem knows about you. And I’m more interested in the Ancients than all the others!
@@stobiepiel2585 if you hadn’t noticed everything in FF14 is canon. Alexander is canon, Omega is canon, the void ark is canon, Ivalice is canon, it’s all canon. Hell, from what I gather 9S and 2B’s little romp into Eorzea is not just canon to FF14, it’s canon to Nier Automata.
Im sorry but i need emet- selch's journal. I know he has one somewhere. The man whose job it is to protect the "underworld" and know basically every factor and most knowledge doesnt just do that without writing any of it down. I felt that way at the end of shadowbringers considering how we learn of how long hes been doing this with such unwavering conviction and the implication at the end of Endwalker that he took on the duties of azem just to fufill it and honor his friends. Heck he might have done that with the others of the convocation considering all the crystals (which act basically the same as job stones only more potent) which would only go on to solidify his conviction and effort all these years. Plus with all of the narration in endwalker it seems likes hes even keeping tabs in the afterlife. Emet is totally an author and i need to see his works
I think this crossover was nice enough to not spoil anything for people that havent played FF14, while also giving enough nuggets of lore for people who know, like what happened right after the sundering, in the first umbral(astral?) Era
The time of the Ancients was before the unbral/astral era cycle.
Emet-Selch has become one of the most beloved "Villian"-Characters to me. He is incredibly charismatic and so well written, that I even felt a huge regret, when they faded in Ultima and hoped, that we will see him again one day. Since I understood, what he really wanted, I could define myself with his goals. And although they are threatening to my ingame-char, I really could understand, why he was doing all this. In Elips we all could see, that Emet is in fact a grumpy man with a heart of gold - although time and loneliness have changed him over in all that time, when we encounter him in Shadowbringers. The weight of the years is laying heavy on his shoulders in Amauroth.
And besides Emet-Selch, the trio of the ancients is just incredible together. Venat, Hythlodaeus and Hades - they were just great and worked quite well together in Elpis.
All in all - I really hope, that the whole story of the ancients is not over yet and hope, that we will see more of them in the future.
Whenever I remember that Emet Selch follows you because you’re the remnant of his best friend I get choked up
Me too friend.
I definitely want more stories & info about the Ancients. Like there's at least 2 seats (mainly Nabriales) that we know next to NOTHING about, like what their role even was on the convocation & many others we only have the scantest of info & lore about, and I want more. I'm also kinda hoping we learn more about our own character's past life as Azem (even possibly get to meet them at some point, but that's probably far-fetched).
But then again I am a lore nerd and one who is trying to gather like-minded lore nerds on my data center to forge a new Convocation, so yeah...
I think we’ll get more on the other ascians but it’ll be a slow drip. Give us some other things to deal with for now since Zodiark can’t come back.
@@StoutHelm I'm kinda figuring the same thing. In the meantime, it looks like they're finally picking up the thread with the 13th that they dropped near the end of Shadowbringers & we've got the Mysteries of the Twelve(tm) to look into...
I find the explanation of the time shortly after the collapse very interesting since (as far as i know) it never really was elaborated if it was like a new big bang/if there where just 14 weak versions of each Asicien, if there just spawned new humans or whatever else might have been possible
I liked those details too, even if we only got a smidge of it.
0:50 Ladies and gentlemen, WE GOT EM!
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@@StoutHelm they got you to download the game.
They sure did. Lol it’s interesting. I pulled the DRK and DRG units.
there is additional lore in the weapon story, like you have a bit of backstory on estinien from the gae bolg emet from misos and the wol/d from shadowbringer
Shoot really? Where do you go to see that? I got both of those units but I didn’t know there’s story with that too.
I am still trying to get the W. Mage outfit.
@@specialnewb9821 I'm still pulling for it too.
@@StoutHelm by upgrading the weapon you can see the story, in the library or by pressing and hold the weapon i think
If they ever release like a novel about the ancients, I would buy it and read it! Emet-Selch has become my favorite villain and I would love to know more!
They didn't really add much to what we already knew, but I think that's a good thing. If they added too much stuff, so much so that it changes how we look into those characters, it becomes the case of 'Kingdom Hearts' , where if you want every bit of lore and story for final fantasy 14 then you'll have to go and looking into this very small piece of content that is outside of your game.
If anything ehat this story does is tell a beautiful and tragic story of a beloved character to, 1) people that don't play ffxiv but may be interested.and 2) giving a nice brief reminder to people that play both games, thr story of a beloved character.
Yeah, the last thing I want is to have more spin-offs than is absolutely needed. That really turned me off of Kingdom Hearts.
Honestly all this time all we learned about ascians/ancients was "They're bad" and so on but tbh, when it came down to "explaining" what they really wanted to do etc. who they are and all it felt like the story could have gone much deeper. It felt a bit like corners got cut here and there to bring the story to a conclusion/end. Pretty sad about it and after what happened in Thule i was disappointed imo they could give us a bit more and also, what happened to them all? And what could possibly still be open for us i mean Emet told us a lot like "Do you even know who the twelve are?" and such. I want more ancient lore! Also don't just take my most loved NPC away ;--; took me too long to find one i like xD
with the story all but concluded i think its best to let the lore for the ancients be left where it is, kinda like gandolf for lord of the rings and the hobbet, he's best left unexplained
Fair assessment
I'd like a comic series about azem, emet, and hytho just vibing
I'm 75% convinced that the worlds of Drakengard and Nier are shards of the source.
A man can dream.
I'd love to see our ancient selves as an NPC to see what we did as Azem.
I would find it pretty cool and sad at the same time, if our involvement in the Ancient's timeline through the Pandaemonium raids, affected our own. Like in Back to The Future.
I wouldn’t be surprised to be honest.
What's Next Theory
1. Tataru opens up the Scions' Kingsman Tailor Shop
2. Themis might be a relative or the son of Venat (White hair and blue eyes)
3. The Convocation of Fourteen's direct subordinates are their Words (ex. Words of Lahabrea)
4. Who are the Words of Azem?
5. The biggest question is who founded Amarout and created the Ancient civilization.
6. The Twelve are distrusted due to how they didn't interfere during the two Final Days.
7. The Ancients likely didn't worship the Twelve because they either did not exist during that time or something else.
8. Hythlodaeus was voiced by the young Dumbledore actor. Hythlodaeus and Emet Selch's friendship reminded me of Dumbledore and Grindelwald's friendship.
9. It will be interesting if Meteion joins the Scions so that we can explore Dynamis and Aether more in depth.
Dear SquareEnix, Yoshi P and team, please give us more Emet-Selch! 😭🥺❤️
Thank you for this video! 👍
I agree, load us up with more! And thank you!
Thanks for doing this video. You really do a great job with these. Love hearing you tell the story.
Thank you friend, I’m glad they hit the spot.
I'm playing through replicant rn and was saying how it so very much alligns with the ideas of ff14. I love both very deeply, they just hurt in all the right ways.
I don’t mind them having side content to explore the unsundered civilization’s history,but it would go against the themes and lessons of Endwalker if we just majorly focus on them any further MSQ wise.The WOL proved worthy of inheriting the Unsundered’s legacy and found a way to end The Final Days where the Ascians couldn’t.They need to focus more on what comes after the Ascians or risk ruining all the emotional and thematic weight built over 10 years.
You conveyed your stance very well here.
Ah good, wasn't sure if you'd seen my comment on the other video. It's a fun event and the game is pretty chill if you don't do pvp. Been playing since launch.
I'm really tired and haven't sifted comments yet; but I remember it being mentioned that Azem just... ditched before the whole Zodiark summoning. Since Venat knew she probly told Azem everything that happened, too and he likely knew he had to die. Wonder what the Hell he was up to between finding out and waiting for the end of the world....
@@RenaShirow I can roll with that; as much as I'd love for there to be a hard written Epic there, a good chunk of the fun (and the story) is being allowed to have our own ideas about what's going on. It must have made Azem a tough character to work around, but I can't say I dislike it.
I'm surprised you didn't go into the stories attached to the weapons in this expansion, there's a sword that is related to hades
I didn’t know how to access that content. You talking about Misos? I knew there was a sword and the other pullable stuff but I didn’t see any story chapters associated with them.
I feel like the time of the Ascians as antagonists is over but also there's more stories for the ancients to tell.
This is how I feel about it too. I wouldn’t be surprised if we see another ascian down the road but operating in a less evil, more selfishly driven individual agenda. Maybe even on the good side.
If FF17 is just a prequel to 14 taking place in the world unsundered I would be happy beyond words. There’s no way they’d do that but I cannot get enough of the ancients
That would be crazy.
I hope we more about the Unsundered World and the Ancients. Even if that's in a lore book or something. They can do both of giving more lore and moving forwards.
I’d actually really enjoy a side novel about them.
I would love to see an alternate story where Hythlodeus took the seat and Emet sacrificed himself.
Some what ifs could be fun.
I want to see more emet in game
I do too but I’ve got a feeling he’s done.
You could make a parody of the play Waiting for Godot with Hades and Hythlodeus and call it Waiting for Azem
As long as there are other shards, there are more stories of the ancients to tell
Agreed.
Considering how Grotesquery queen like the Endsinger is, I could believe the two series are deeply interwoven.
You know, the only thing they screwed up in Shadowbringers is that in the Sundering Cinematic, Venat speaks to some Random Ancients, instead they should have had her argue with the convocation itself, to transform into her Hydelin self and then sunder the world. That would have worked better.
I want to see more of the first and second post-sundering eras
I know; we know so little as it stands.
Interesting as the Ancients can be, I don't think there's much more that can be feasibly told after Pandaemonium that wouldn't undermine them. It'd also be somewhat against half the point of the overall story to dwell on something long past.
Hey long as it doesn't have those two dwarves it is already a better story for me. Even if it is just stuff we already knew.
As if I need any more reasons to fall in love with this character, Square goes and gives us the immediate moments after of the Sundering, and Emet-Selch's reaction to it. Just to twist the knife a little further, a little deeper.
I feel like there needs to be an entire spin-off for the Ancients. I need more. MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE.
Describing Emet-Selch's desire of restoring the paradise that never will fade, may also be due to the fact that Emet-Selch was tempered by Zodiark.
i saw there was some extra story from one of the weapons. small, but kinda sad.
Others have pointed this out, I didn’t know story came associated with the misos weapon. I may do a really short update video to talk about it
Ancients ancients ancients ! I hope we can get more from the past.
Once again Hermes is to blame for everything going wrong. His own unchecked curiosity, complete free rein, mixed with his mental and emotional issues started this whole mess with the final days
Nah, I'd argue a civilization based on suppressing creativity and individuality, with no thought to the morals of their actions beyond "bettering" themselves, was always doomed to fall. Hermes may have been the one to light the metaphorical fire, but they were sparking for long before that.
@@DragonsGuy when you put it that way.
Their civilization was always doomed to fail due to then instance of living in a world without sorrow.
In the Dead Ends dungeon the last area we visit is a civilization which knew no struggle and sorrow, but in doing so grew bored with existence as they found there was nothing else to achieve; Deciding to literally create a monster that could kill them and put them out of their misery. If I remember correctly, the devs stated this was a deliberate choice to show what COULD have happened to the Amurotians on the long term had it not been for the Sundering.
@@Vikumax you're right but trying to remove much of the blame from Hermes and shoulders is wrong. He's guilty for making it happen sooner
@@madambutterfly1997 I'm not apologizing for him. He still did grave things over selfish reasons.
My point is to explain why despite of it Emet's approach was similarly misguided
I know I’m 3 days late, but thanks for the story explaining. I’m too focused on getting the crossover characters (I got all 3. Noelle was the most pain in the ass to get) that I’m skipping the story. I’m done with the game since I got the characters.
Totally understand, I’m glad this helped.
I know I’m replying extremely late but if you want all the weapon stories I have them. Especially since there’s three new costumes and four new weapons because the event is back
Specifically three characters dressed as a black mage, red mage, samurai and a new fist weapon, all ffxiv related
I thought I saw there was a rerun of the event. Didn’t know there were new weapons. Yeah if you wanna share the descriptions, that would be great!
Ok! How should I send them to you? I’ve never done anything like this
@@tenebris9182 you can find me on discord or Twitter works too. Ive also got an email set up if you’d prefer that
More specifically how do you want me too send it
I love these videos also love ancient lore aswell
Thank you, I’m glad you’re enjoying them!
I like anything involving Emet I want more
wait... Dark Apocalypse IS canon?
We have no evidence to suggest it isn’t. The other raid stories fit into the overall canon. Though I doubt it’s canon to the Nier universe.
It was also written by staff from the Nier franchise as a collaboration. It also doesn’t override or create any inconsistencies in other parts of the story.
After this raid's expansion, Moving forward would be a good idea for them.
Maybe bring back Lahabrea once(I got a theory that he's still alive) with the other remaining ascian once in a couple of expansion.
I’d be interested in that theory.
@@StoutHelm First, he was absorbed into the eyes by Thordan.
Then when Estinien found the eyes in stormblood, they were empty of Aether. Also, they are also depicted to be a bottomless source of Aether. So how can you use a Bottomless source of Aether.
Also, remember how the white auracite and the Acsian work... I think the eyes would be able work in a similar way. I think the ascian could get out of the eyes after a while.
Just a theory like that. It would permit square to give him some additional screen time to make him less cartoon evil.
I will never stop wanting more. XD
Me either
nothing new was added. it was a let down. not your video, you are always great. i felt the crossover was a let down in lore.
I think I agree. The little details are nice but they marketed this as a new story chapter. Most of it was just a retelling.
... What if Venat is the one who sings Song of the Ancients? monkaS
Gotta love how both FFXIV and Nier crossovers ended up disappointing and underwhelming lol
Everything about Emet-Selch is just double-triple A tier.
am i.. azem? cause i feel like it lmao
You basically are! I look at it that way anyway.
And people complained about Zenos being overused, oof.
We honestly don't need anymore. We know enough as it is
I disagree personally but I understand why you’d say that. Part of the fun is the mystery. It’s fun to speculate on what happened in those times. Let the audience fill in the answers with their own imaginations.