Pinning this to address some common questions I keep getting on videos: Q: Your voice sucks. A: That's not a question. I have a chronic illness that also affects my throat. Sorry you don't like it but I can't do much about incurable problems I was born with. I like making videos so I won't be stopping Q: Why didn't you include ___? A: Probably because I forgot to add it. I do that sometimes Q: Will you do a video on ___? A: Sure, just ask nicely and I'll definitely consider doing any video on anything.
Tbh one of the reasons why I like your Nier videos is because of the voice, you don’t sound happy fake and annoying like other people, and I didn’t even notice you had a condition your voice sounds normal. (Edit: typo)
When playing on german, the hexademical code of Her Inflorescence translates to "Grotesquerie". Showing what the final boss truly is. The copy of a Grotesquerie Queen!
For someone who loves DrakenNier to death but can’t force myself through an MMO, this is immensely helpful and will henceforth be a conversation starter in game discussions
that's what's so great about FFXIV. you can take your time. play the free version, literally nothing to lose but some free time. game is great, very active
started ffxiv just to play this raid since taro said it was dlc. turns out the ffxiv story is insanely good and definitely worth playing through. especially shadowbringers / endwalker
@@X_I_A_N I’ve considered giving it another shot, it didn’t help that my pc (laptop) at the time overheated to the point where I genuinly considered wearing gloves on my keyboard hand
Thanks for the support! Luckily I was already a FF14 player because I can't imagine someone playing through FF14 all the way to level 80 just for the Nier stuff. This way no one has to miss out though!
Not being into Final Fantasy would be a totally different story, but not being "into mmos" is not a reason not to play FFXIV. Sure you have to do *some* content with other players. (automatically matched together, not even actually need to interact with others) But 90% of the main-story is absolutely just a series of single palyer games within the frame of an MMO. And while Heavensward (the second game) was the best Final Fantasy since the golden age in the 90s and fit nicely somewhere between FFVII and FFIX, Shadowbringers is hands down the best game in the whole franchise even. The quality of its story is on the same level with the likes of the Nier series. And you get enough EXP from the main quest alone to level up all the way to max level. So there is literally no grinding required to get through the main story. There is one big drawback though: You have to get through A Realm Reborn to get to the good parts, which was okay at its time, considering it was made an MMO made in two years, which saved the entire franchise and all. But its a bit tedious and hard to get through. I always suggest skipping everything that's not a cutscene and just read the important parts. Everything from lvl 1 to 60 is free, which includes both A Realm Reborn and Heavensward, which takes the whole story stuff from 20 up to 100 real fast. So there is really no reason not to try it.
@@CycloneFox they have a perfectly good reason not to play FF14; they said they don't do MMOs. Noone should have to suffer through boring Realms Reborn, which is COUNTLESS hours, to access the actually fun content, just because someone can't handle you saying you don't play MMOs.
I am not into MMOs either so I feel the need to inform you that ffxiv provides arguably the best final fantasy rpg experience. Best part is the story, characters, narrative and emotional and minblowing punches you will experience along the way. If you can spare the time, its worth to jump into it. You can ignore the mmo aspect, only except from when you queue for story dungeons. Even then from 70+ you can do them with npcs, in typical rpg fashion.
The 2B and 9S that appear on the First are actually copies. A data log from Konogg says that the real 2B and 9S encountered the Seed and copied their data into it, hoping to infect it as some form of virus that could help destroy it. Given that their efforts are what presumably caused it to create a copy of Anogg, 2B, and 9S, we can say they guessed correctly.
@@yassinefarah2423 well, no, the Logic Virus already existed. And we never see Anogg, 2B, or 9S show a case of Red Eyes. Don't think the Logic Virus is at work there.
@@DanielAyalaIchBin we just happened to meet the people behind the red eyes, also being one in the same with the guys who made that white phosphorus illnes that started the nier seires.
The part that got me the most was how Anogg and Konogg both have the same hair color as Devola and Popola. If this is more than just an homage, would this mean that they are both Devola and Popola android variants?
Re: your first theory I don't think Dark Apocalypse contradicts Automata's Ending E at all. If we follow the theory that the characters in Dark Apocalypse are copies created from a Seed found in the Ark, then that would mean Dark Apocalypse follows ending D, not E. After all, the Ark only fires off in ending D. it never happens in ending C, and in ending E, the event (by my understanding) gets retroactively cancelled. even if the Ark DOES fire in ending E, then it would be as you said, that the personality and memory data of the characters was copied into the Ark, not moved over entirely.
correct me if i’m wrong, but if my memory is correct, the automata concert that goes more into detail on the events after ending e confirms that the ark did go off in ending e, but the pods were still somehow able to repair and reactivate 2B and 9S.
@@chiyuki6095 You are correct, the battle with the end credits is to stop them from being collected/turned off as the ark left & all hope for 2B and 9S would be lost. So they hack the credit sequence and stop the game from ending - greatest meta move ever
@@chiyuki6095 Copy paste literally exist, so the Arc copied 9S consciousness data inside before his consciousness data gets deleted (which we already know was stopped by Pod 042)
@@Danny-mg1hu tecnicaly they are all copies, when 2b is destroyed and gets into a new body, her mind/memories are just copied from the bunker to a totally new body. 9s died plenty of times killed 2B before he updates his memories at the bunker with the knowledge humanity does not exist. all u need is to put those memories in any vessel and u have a new one. *** spoilers for nier automata *** i always though this events happen by the arc, which contained a copy of the date/memories of 2B, 9S, adam/eve, landed on the planet and created these 2B and 9S, while the Pods still created another copie of them in earth, the bunker is gone so the pods are also using the data they gone to recreate them in their likeness because the original data is lost as the bunker exploded also, yoko taro considers everything cannon XD, so its not farfetch the endings D and E both happen
One of my biggest points of confusion is that these facilities were here for a good while. How did Emet-Selch and Elidibus not get involved prior to us even arriving on The First? Would the destruction caused by the Machines/Intoner (and Watchers) have accomplished a calamity on The Source as they had intended to use the Sin Eaters for? Yoko Taro actually makes me into a crazy conspiracy person with his worlds and lore and I hate it, but I also love it.
A) Emet-Selch after establishing Vauthry hasn't really been involved with the First. He was set on retiring to nap for an era after orchestrating Dalamund...until the Lahabrea was killed and the Scions arrived on the First...and Elidibus said "nope mate, I need you to take care of them" B) Kinda one of the great flaws of the Unsundered (Emet-Selch, Lahabrea, Elidibus) is how their semi-immortality and growing madness (melancholy, mania, and dementia respectively) led to a neglect in oversight of members of the Sundered convocation. Like, they left Mitron to stew in pain and madness as the first sin eater for a century, and didn't think a moment about the problem that was Fandaniel. C) So, yeah, they could definitely miss something alien showing up in the last century that could've turned the First into another 13th.
In Automata and 1.3a stage play, it's comformed that Accord is in the resistance meaning Accord models are able to travel to multiverse as well, does that mean that somehow Accord following this seed?
She could very well be following the seed. We know that she was built in the kingdom of night in Nier's timeline and that she's trying to stop an apocalypse that would cause every separate timeline to collapse in on itself. The seed could be part of that.
We know that there is more than 1 Accord. Since she has been added in Nier Replicant where Yonah writes about her. Implying, that she still important to the story even after Drakengard 3 story ended.
1. Thank you so much for this. I've been looking for a summary of the Nier/FFXIV crossover for a while now. 2. Are there any specific details that should be known to those who haven't played the crossover that fans of the DrakeNier universe should know about that weren't mentioned in the video? 3. I am officially considering FF XIV as part of the DrakeNier universe
Watch when 2B comes to Smash and the Smash universe 2B is canon to the series. 100 man brawl but everyone has red eyes, Final Smash Ball is actually a seed of destruction, Lips Stick is actually a fragment of the flower from Drakengard 3
Thank you for the summary! The most recent ending in patch 5.55 left a lot of people confused including myself. I've never played Nier/Drakengard series but enjoyed watching those lore videos. Actually I do have a theory. What if Yoko Taro himself is the 'God' implied in the Drakengard series? The 'God' that sends SOD everywhere and intends to destroy the worlds of his own creation. That would explain him joking about destroying the Final Fantasy XIV world multiple times on camera and the white orb appearing here.
Did you know in Nier automata you could fight the CEO of Equare Enix as an Extra boss? That was a joke for him towards Square Enix for making him absence from Drakengard's project 😂 sure he likes destroying things.
This video was extremely well done and very informative. I will definitely be subscribing and looking forward to your next video. On a side note , I can say I was here before you reached 50,000 subs.
Over the course of Automata when you die, you just emerge from the last checkpoint. That means a new iteration of you is generated when you die, and because of this there can be many iterations of the same android. I wouldn't be surprised if all androids are initially from just one or two individuals (like the 2B and 9S lookalike kids in the new Nier Replicant game), but over the years and many copies all develop new personalities based on their experience. Also thank you for making this, I've been looking for something like this since I don't feel like getting subscribed and playing almost 10 years of FF14 content to know the story.
2B is actually created base on A2. And there are some theories that yorha battle androids all based from Kaine in the replicant since in the ending e her battle data got saved
@@hanslaw2771 A2, like 2B, is based on the personality Number Two, who died before the start ofNumber Nines version of Project Yorha. Its Number 2 > No. 2 Attacker > 2B = 2D
man i am so happy i decided to stay up for a bit longer cuz i probably wouldn’t have found your channel. it’s only been an hour and a half and i’ve watched 5 of your videos about NieR. amazing work
theres definitely a lot to unpack from the raid. what i feel like are a lot of unanswered questions. could be like yoko taro forgot or had a different vision initially (it WAS a long 6 or 7 months for patch 5.3) or it could really be a grand narrative being built if we were to involve stuff like the new replicant ending, automata, and even nier reincarnation at some point. but i mainly wanted to call attention to the two theories mentioned about the SoD. it could very well be the first theory, since 9S is not won’t to save copies of his comrades (ala the stage play/yorha boys book + automata) plus it’d make more sense as to why 21O, 9S’ operator makes a small cameo. something like stuff being built from his memories. and if we were to consider similar aspects between 9S, the machine lifeforms datalogs, and by extension Konogg, it all points to loneliness. 9S always working alone and getting excited to work with 2B, the more than obvious tells that the machine lifeform data log gives, Konogg becoming a different person when faces the ugly truth about his sister, but a more interesting detail to add in this bunch is the hexadecimal code for the final boss in the second raid does translate to “longing” when you consider all that, the way Her Inflorescence is designed, of 2P/2B and N2. At least to me, looks like N2 is embracing 2P/B from behind, and 2P/B is looking to embrace others. just some food for thought. and it could very well be the second theory. i just remember reading somewhere that the SoD just appears when the world is on the brink of destruction. which makes a lot of sense considering what goes on in the First. This couldve just taken place in the Source, with Cid sinking his hands into yorha-type technology. But I’d like to think its on the First for a reason besides “shadowbringers content being in shadowbringers places” Not to mention the line “Let the light in!” N2 shouts before transforming is something that bugged me a lot when first playing. could be referencing he Firsts’ light. or was a concept that replicant/automata or drakengard dipped its toes into for a lil bit. i really dont remember but i kinda recall the “light” concept from somewhere within drakenier. at the end of the day i could be totally wrong, this is all MY conjecture as a dumb drakenier nerd :p i couldnt help but gush a lil on a great summary vid :)
Thank you so much for summarizing this concisely, I’ve tried watching videos that tell the full story and I felt like I was always missing something so thank you. As for the first theory (and something that folks have mentioned in the comments), p sure Taro likes to validate the existence of all possible endings therefore ending D and ending E both exist just in separate places, so the copied 2B and 9S probably went off to do their ffxiv thing while the ending e ones had their happy (or in the alternate ending, tragic ending). I think because Accord also records all potential timelines, the games themselves don’t want us to consider one ending more right than the other: they all exist, we just have to see which endings follow to which media etc Again, very good job!
6:45 wait! That means that the androids traveled through the seeds of destruction, ending up in another dimension in the past, sending the destroyed city with them in the iberic region?
In the ending E of replicant1.22, twin A.I said they hear a song before getting blasted by Kaine and Weiss. Song... a familiar word to Drakengard fans. Plus, their tech seems strangely familiar to alien tech from automata...... Perhaps, The SEED followed the QueenBeast to Nier world. Aliens, machines, androids and everything else are merely it's creation?
I... found this so confusing... Question: how does it fit the narrative that Annog returned? If everything seed-related had to die, why and how did "she" remain? And why was she an ally to begin with? ... Makes me wonder how far the control/influence of that seed is... Ah well, this is the only part of FF14 were I say "fights are fun, story... okay, who cares?" :D
One possibility of how the world's of Nier and Drakengard are connected to FFXIV's story and lore (let me know if this contradicts Drakengard lore, I'm not an expert) is that the worlds of Drakengard and Nier are 2 of the fragments that were split apart from the original world where the ascians come from. Specifically the 13th which itself fractured into two resulting in a 14th. Why those two? Because from what I understand of Drakengard lore there was a time split that resulted in two parallel worlds. One where history played out normally without magic, gods, or dragons (Nier's world). And another "which eventually came to be known as Midgard," and "was effectively created when, in AD 856 on the Iberian Peninsula, a great city appeared from the sky, along with mysterious beings known as dragons and Watchers." My theory is that the world of the 13th shard was split into two parallel worlds by this event, creating the 14th shard a.k.a the world of Drakengard. At one point in the Shadowbringers MSQ this split of the 13th was brought up (not sure on this part, do correct me if I am wrong). Seeing as how the Ascians and the WoL are capable of traveling to other shards, this could potentially shed light or explain other questions like: - How the city ended up in Midgard and where it came from - How Caim and Angelus were able to travel to Shinjuku when fighting a Watcher - Where Accord comes from - The true origins of the Dragons and the Watchers in Midgard But unless anyone would like my take on those topics, I'll leave things here. Also, if you've read this far, thanks for your time and attention. Feel free to add to argue against all this. Your feedback would be most welcome.
I assume: the event of Dark Apocalypse in FF14 continued with the event of Nier Automata ending is leak into other universe? Remember in Nier Automata 9S is the latest!.. And sudden 2P shown up as new latest.. So, something that work out a New android.
I finally got around to doing the 3rd raid, and I was completely baffled. You've given me a lot to look into, how to I go about parsing all this information? Should I play the nier games? Is there a specific order for these? I'm so confused but intrigued at the same time lol. FFxiv is gonna be the death of me lol
As a big fan of the games I'm a bit biased but I would recommend playing the games if you have the ability to. For order I would say chronological is easiest, so Drakengard 3, then Drakengard 1, then Nier Replicant, then Nier Automata. Annoyingly though, the Drakengard games are stuck on the PS3 and haven't been brought to modern systems. If you don't have a PS3, then Nier Replicant and Automata are easily accessible on PC, PS4, Xbox One and are the best two games in the series in my opinion so you could just play those and supplement with the videos I made on the channel for missing information
Very interesting. I never played any other game except FF14 and WoW. Thank you for explaining the story as it was confusing to me. You got a new sub and I hear nothing wrong with your voice.
Thank you so much for this!! I played the story in FFXIV but thought they didn’t really explain a lot and was looking for a more in depth video, so thank you so much!! 🙌🏻
Do you think there's a possible connection between how Primals "Temper" in the FF14 universe and the way that the Watchers control people with the Red Eye thing?
@@Xevolo Yeah, I believe they go over it in ARR. "Tempering" is actually the term used for when Ifrit brainwashes, because Ifrit is a fire Primal and "Tempering" is a term used for when you heat and cool metal repeatedly when making a sword. However, because Ifrit is the first Primal you face in FF14, "Tempering" kind of became the term associated with all Primals. Primals are basically a huge mass of energy (called Aether in FF14) that usually leans towards a specific element. Ifrit is fire Aether, Titan is earth Aether, Leviathan is water Aether, etc. When normal people are exposed to a mass of strong Aether like a Primal has, it basically leaves an "imprint" of the desires of the Primal on that person. In essence, it brainwashes them. Anyone who has been Tempered will be forced to follow the desires of the Primal, and even go about in resummoning the Primal if they get defeated. Emet-Selch mentions (in Shadowbringers in a side conversation if you talk to him outside of a cutscene) that Primals "dye" the souls of people with their Aether. If you go into the Sastasha (Hard) dungeon, you can see the effects of being Tempered by Leviathan on the pirates there. They end up taking more fish-like or aquatic-like features. While it's not always as clearcut with other Primals, it's still the same concept of the Primal's Aether directly affecting the Aether in the souls of others. It's also important to note that it doesn't matter how strong you are, you can still be Tempered. Tiamat is a member of the First Brood of dragons, arguably some of the strongest beings on the Source. However, she ended up Tempered by the Primal Bahamut when she got tricked into summoning it by the Ascians. And while Tiamat wasn't fully brainwashed, she still comments on how there is an underlying compulsion to resummon him that she can feel, which is part of the reason she willingly allowed herself to be imprisoned by the Allagan Empire. The only people who are immune to Tempering are those with the Echo. Given the revelations about the nature of Hydaelyn, Zodiark, and the Echo in Shadowbringers I'm not entirely sure what it is exactly right now. But the Echo is why our characters are relied on to handle Primals. We can kill them without fearing being Tempered. Without a group of strong people with the Echo, you basically would end up having to send in multiple waves of soldiers. The first wave would kill the summoners and begin fighting until they got Tempered, which is when you sent in the second wave. The second wave would kill the first wave and attack the Primal until they too got Tempered. You would continue with that patter until the Primal and all the Tempered soldiers were dead.
Intentional when you notice the way Kaine fights despite lacking magic in Route E of Replicant is like the androids, the Tower has P-Types turn into Shades in the digital space just as the Admins used Data versions of Shades Kaine completely knew she was in the wrong to kill(Except Hook),, and her theme plays againts the Final Boss Digital Hook. Aka Taro Yoko was referencing the game version of EndingE before we even got play it!
@@BlackfangDragon Ahh okay that makes sense. It's also possible Nier Replicant was due to come out before this raid, but COVID messed all the scheduling up.
Well imo it all lines up with the last part of the collab. All the nier bosses popping up, then the last boss, imo, is referencing Kaine more than zero. Her Inflouresance as mention in the video means a stream of flowers. The only person we know to be connected with a stream of flowers...aka a necklace of lunar tears is Kaine. In fact you see that very necklace on the top of the final boss. I mean I guess that could reference zero as well but I always though that was a fusion of the false idol and 2b OR it was all just good fan service to get players ready for Nier Replicant that was to drop a few weeks after lol
I feel like it is a really big jump in logic to assume that the arc from automata had a seed of destruction on it but I guess there really isn't any other explanation because how else would it has gotten data from all of this yorha stuff. Plus the data logs directly state that 2B and 9S put their data inside of it as a way to make it replicate them at wherever he ended up so there would be a chance of destroying it.
this was the most depressing raid i ever play in any online game, if you notice there is not even a win sound afthr killing Her Inflorecence, it feels like we ddint win, it feels like we already lost, another thing as far as i know N2 have information of the other world inside the arc, the data left behin from the old humant race left data and coordinates of the other world, maybe looking for answers in a way to become a god N2 was infected by the influence of the gods, and opening portals they end in FF world, maybe
As someone who has been playing FFXIV and is now getting dragged into the Draken-nier universe..... this is much appreciated because I scene-skipped like crazy because I wanted to get to the new raids, and am only now making deep dives into the lore (as well as playing Replicant). Also playing the D3 Ending E song over the False Idol gave me chills :D I
That’s actually not true. There’s a lot there. It just doesn’t give you the conclusion on a silver platter and a bunch is open to interpretation. But between Konogg’s journey and his findings, Glagg’s unusual behavior, and Anogg’s unexpected return, there are a lot of puzzle pieces to work with.
IN Yoko Taro's usual fashion, he loves supplying questions that may not necessarily have answers, as well as answers to questions we don't even know to ask. I get the feeling Glagg's behavior and Anogg's return are somewhere in those. Glagg's behavior especially smells suspiciously like a setup for more content later.
i know almost nothing of nier lore so playing through the raid i was a bit confused and wanted to know some of the deeper meanings of things. thanks for this vid, summarized and explained everything really nicely!
Thanks for covering all this, I watched the nier raids thru UA-cam uploads of other people playing but I missed a couple details that you explained so now I know lol
I know this is a lot to ask for but can you make a time-line on the eternity of the nier series to the best of your knowledge. Please, my monkey brain isn't capable of the research.
What about the other white clothed androids that worked with 2P? Are they important? Are they references to other characters in the Nier or Drakengard series?
The machines goal is to destroy the enemy. Given that, they need androids to exist for them to have a purpose. That would be a justification for them to replicate 9S and 2B
I think Her Inflorence might be more related to Kaine than to Zero (since the Lunar Tear isn't positioned in her eye, but as a hair piece) and she has a collar of flowers hanging around her, just like the one Kaine's grandma gave her. Ending E from Nier Replicant Ver. 1.22 might have given us more clues as to who Kaine might be exactly (perhaps who she's a replicant from).
How much was Taro smoking before writing any of that? N2 being connected to the watchers isn't too far fetched because of the constant twin/watcher connection. But suddenly bringing back the SoD and using it as a major plot point seems more like fanservice instead of a thought out plan. I wouldn't be suprised if Taro ends up with humanity creating the SoD, dark flower, and somehow porting the capital city into the Drakengard world. The flower was guarded by an android after all.
Her Inflorescence reminded me of ending D Zero but also the Fodra Queen from Tales of Graces f, both of which are terrifying but beautiful Anyways, thanks for the lore video. That’s crazy Taro expanded the story in a whole other franchise XD
Sadly, I havent had the opportunity to play a lot of the Nier/drakengard games, though I have been interested in their lore. It's nice to finally piece together the connections they have to FFXIV though, and the video was awesome~ :^
I dont think so. The seed has a connection to Drakengard series and the watchers cult. While the Ark was originally meant as artillery to destroy the human server on the moon. It was repurposed as an Ark after the collapse of the red girls on the Tower to travel with the memories (perhaps even the conciences/souls) of the Machines through the universe in search for a New World to live in. It is stated that the bloodlust of the Machines comes to a halt after the Ark is launched, hence they invite 9S in good faith to join them in their journey
This is so badass. I didnt know there was an entire Yorha DLC for this game. The story of Nier is literally one of the best stories ever written in any video game ever made in history.
Hello. Will you make a video out of the documentations scattered around the factory? I really like your voice and your information. Thank you for the definitive summarization of the Nier X FF. I don't play FF so this was a massive help since i've been a Nier Fan since 2012
I'm a big fan of Neir Automata but this was all so confusing... I'm not sure how canon any of it is supposedly to be or how it relates to any of the endings in Automata.
I don't mean that the Seed originated from our reality, but that someone a Seed came to our reality from Drakengard and copied 2B and co. and then came to the Final Fantasy reality where 2P began her takeover. Drakengard -> Nier -> FF
@@rexicon oh ok, well I apologize for me misunderstanding you. But where did you find some lore that a seed of destruction came to our reality? I really need to see that, I believe you cause, fuck its yoko taro and if accord can do it, why can't a tool of the gods do it?
@@bigezfire2390 Its in some of Konogg's messages: "Dear Player, I found out that 2B and 9S accessed the spheres before this all started, which is why they knew about the machine lifeforms' plans to take over our world. They added their own data to that of the machine lifeforms when copies were being made─like some sort of technological virus, apparently─so that they could come here and stop the machines. They were our allies, from beginning to end... - Konogg" "Dear Player, The white spheres have ties to 2B and 9S's world, which is almost inconceivably advanced. I've found that data there is stored by machines bearing the names of gods, and even the tiniest glimpse of the smallest portion of it reveals memories by the hundreds─people's memories. What does it mean? I need to know. - Konogg"
@@rexicon aww dawg, I greatly appreciate you sharing that with me. I was expecting a url but you dumped the actual lore on me. Truly appreciate it cause I wasn't playing that mmo lol. Thank you and hope u have a wonderful day or night
Are you telling me the Taro Lore has spreed to MMO’s! Ngl kinda impressed how he can implant lore into dam near anything. Edit: Seems like the series will never end.
As a ffxiv who has never played nier but wanted to know what this story was all about this was really helpful! All the ffxiv lore channels aren’t that great so this was refreshing
Interesting in the FFXIV part of the Nier Raid specifically they refer to the Seed as a 'portal' as well, which we also see presumably the same Seed fall out of. Another interesting tidbit is they also tell us the Seed has its own 'network' and that the Copied 9S has supposedly interfaced with it at some point before the events of Dark Apocalypse. Which might explain some of the things that have been recreated is each seed, like the flowers on a single stem are connected have been recreated such as the Salt 'snow' or the bosses from Nier Replicant. Another interesting tidbit is Dark Apocalypse presents the data space as an actual physical place you could traverse to if you had the proper means, Anogg and Konogg bring attention to this during the Raid. Another interesting note that probably doesnt really have any relevance but is neat none the less is that the Watchers forcing a pact onto someone or creating Red Eyes is compared to Tempering within the FFXIV universe.
I disagree with the part wherein you claim that the aliens had a desire to wipe out mankind as the aliens came to Earth to take it over long after the humans were extinct. Not even the machines showed a desire to destroy humans (with the exception of Adam and Eve but they're an anomaly), and only showed hostility towards androids.
Not to plug my own video too hard but in my automata video I had a section on why I believe androids are humanity’s successors which is why the machines are so bent on destroying them but leave all other lifeforms alone. Additionally the largest scale conflict was between Emil, the last human, and the machines so I can’t agree on showing no desire to kill humans. I’ll admit saying that they were trying to destroy androids because of how human they are is a loaded statement that gets into a lot of metaphysics so it’s very much up for debate
@@rexicon I was supposed to mention Emil, but I don't think he was counted as human after the fact that he became a weapon because he was changed by the Maso experimentations done on him and then later became a skeletal living superweapon. Actually, lorewise, Emil himself accepts that he is no longer human after becoming No. 7.
In all honesty, even with all of the nier and drakengard stuff in the raid, the story just doesn't really fit in with FF and doesn't make much sense even when tying it to the lore of nier and drakengard. Were the raids fun? Yeah, absolutely. Was the story interesting? Not really.... We get betrayed by 2P and hardly formed a connection with her, then rinse and repeat with 2B and 9S as well. We hardly get to form a connection with them too. They feel so detached from the whole narrative and especially to FF itself. Out of all my friends in FF, nobody really knew what was going on in the raids and didn't really care about what happened either. I'm a big nier and drakengard myself but I can speak for quite a few people by saying that the raids are mechanically fun but storywise are much weaker than all other raids in the game. There's just... No reason to care about anyone outside of the twins. Anyways, great video. Good job on summarizing it all!
Except for Crystal Tower, the alliance 24 man raids have no bearing on the plot whatsoever. Mainly as lore bait. - Heavensward's is supposed to show the lore of the void creatures seen throughout Gridania. - Stormblood's is supposed to be a reference to Final Fantasy Tactics and obviously you know about Shadowbringers.
@@USMC49er One month old reply I know - but here are my thoughts: - So far, Shadows of Mhach is useless MSQ wise but it helped fleshed out one of the aftermath of the War of the Magi, which is a huge thing for both the Scholar quests and the creation of Sharlayan which we'd finally get to by EW. And who knows? Maybe we'd explore that war or its past eventually like how Crystal Tower which only operated as Allag's generator became plot relevant by ShB. - Ivalice was fanservice for well, Ivalice yes. It gave us the backstory of one of the conquered territories in Dalmasca though and eventually gave us the Bozja relic quests which also tied into the IVth Legion and Cid's own past with his dad. Sadly, like everything else from 5.3 onwards it's pretty sure that COVID screwed them over especially with that ending. So in short, despite both being useless for the MSQ so far - they both tied into the XIV lore to some extent so despite the fanservice they aren't really out of place in comparison to NieR where characters barely reacted and it's in a separate bubble from literally anything else in Norvrandt. Hopefully, Myths of the Realm coming by EW would be a step in the right direction, as it pertains to lore about The Twelve and would at least tie into the plot about the Convocation and even Azem and how their identities got warped as deities in people's minds. It might be more interesting and relevant than even Mhach, which is usually regarded as the most "XIV original" Alliance raids ever until that announcement.
Wouldn't called this canon since 2P only existed because of Soul Calibur 5 as a reverse 2 Player alternative, where 2P got the name from called by fans. Intentional or by accident, it was a clever name. Even if it is canon, it's retroactively inserted.
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Pinning this to address some common questions I keep getting on videos:
Q: Your voice sucks.
A: That's not a question. I have a chronic illness that also affects my throat. Sorry you don't like it but I can't do much about incurable problems I was born with. I like making videos so I won't be stopping
Q: Why didn't you include ___?
A: Probably because I forgot to add it. I do that sometimes
Q: Will you do a video on ___?
A: Sure, just ask nicely and I'll definitely consider doing any video on anything.
Your voice isnt even bad I've heard way more annoying voices.
Your voice is fine- i can’t believe anyone would complain about that. Have people never heard chills? lol he puts on an annoying voice on purpose
Damn, you have a chronic illness? Didn’t even notice atleast i dont find your voice weird bro great vids
Tbh one of the reasons why I like your Nier videos is because of the voice, you don’t sound happy fake and annoying like other people, and I didn’t even notice you had a condition your voice sounds normal. (Edit: typo)
your voice is pretty
“In typical 9S fashion, he falls off the building into the fog below.”
...worst part is you really aren’t wrong lol
omg ikr its 9s falling off a building is just his thing
9S falling in general is a meme now lol
Bridge.
When playing on german, the hexademical code of Her Inflorescence translates to "Grotesquerie".
Showing what the final boss truly is. The copy of a Grotesquerie Queen!
For someone who loves DrakenNier to death but can’t force myself through an MMO, this is immensely helpful and will henceforth be a conversation starter in game discussions
that's what's so great about FFXIV. you can take your time. play the free version, literally nothing to lose but some free time. game is great, very active
started ffxiv just to play this raid since taro said it was dlc. turns out the ffxiv story is insanely good and definitely worth playing through. especially shadowbringers / endwalker
@@X_I_A_N I’ve considered giving it another shot, it didn’t help that my pc (laptop) at the time overheated to the point where I genuinly considered wearing gloves on my keyboard hand
@@Herr_Gamer well hopefully your pc is better now! they're extending the free trial up to stormblood expansion soon~!
Thanks for the vid, as someone who isn’t into mmos it’s great to finally have a summary video on the Nier content
Thanks for the support! Luckily I was already a FF14 player because I can't imagine someone playing through FF14 all the way to level 80 just for the Nier stuff. This way no one has to miss out though!
Not being into Final Fantasy would be a totally different story, but not being "into mmos" is not a reason not to play FFXIV. Sure you have to do *some* content with other players. (automatically matched together, not even actually need to interact with others) But 90% of the main-story is absolutely just a series of single palyer games within the frame of an MMO. And while Heavensward (the second game) was the best Final Fantasy since the golden age in the 90s and fit nicely somewhere between FFVII and FFIX, Shadowbringers is hands down the best game in the whole franchise even. The quality of its story is on the same level with the likes of the Nier series. And you get enough EXP from the main quest alone to level up all the way to max level. So there is literally no grinding required to get through the main story.
There is one big drawback though: You have to get through A Realm Reborn to get to the good parts, which was okay at its time, considering it was made an MMO made in two years, which saved the entire franchise and all. But its a bit tedious and hard to get through. I always suggest skipping everything that's not a cutscene and just read the important parts. Everything from lvl 1 to 60 is free, which includes both A Realm Reborn and Heavensward, which takes the whole story stuff from 20 up to 100 real fast. So there is really no reason not to try it.
@@CycloneFox they have a perfectly good reason not to play FF14; they said they don't do MMOs. Noone should have to suffer through boring Realms Reborn, which is COUNTLESS hours, to access the actually fun content, just because someone can't handle you saying you don't play MMOs.
I am not into MMOs either so I feel the need to inform you that ffxiv provides arguably the best final fantasy rpg experience. Best part is the story, characters, narrative and emotional and minblowing punches you will experience along the way. If you can spare the time, its worth to jump into it. You can ignore the mmo aspect, only except from when you queue for story dungeons. Even then from 70+ you can do them with npcs, in typical rpg fashion.
Seconding this
You just saved a man from playing a mmorpg
The 2B and 9S that appear on the First are actually copies. A data log from Konogg says that the real 2B and 9S encountered the Seed and copied their data into it, hoping to infect it as some form of virus that could help destroy it. Given that their efforts are what presumably caused it to create a copy of Anogg, 2B, and 9S, we can say they guessed correctly.
Sounds like they unintenionally might have created the Logic Virus.
@@yassinefarah2423 well, no, the Logic Virus already existed. And we never see Anogg, 2B, or 9S show a case of Red Eyes. Don't think the Logic Virus is at work there.
@@DanielAyalaIchBin we just happened to meet the people behind the red eyes, also being one in the same with the guys who made that white phosphorus illnes that started the nier seires.
So, the original 2B and 9S might still be out there around the world?
Zero still can't rest... Not in peace... Isn't it...
The part that got me the most was how Anogg and Konogg both have the same hair color as Devola and Popola. If this is more than just an homage, would this mean that they are both Devola and Popola android variants?
Re: your first theory
I don't think Dark Apocalypse contradicts Automata's Ending E at all. If we follow the theory that the characters in Dark Apocalypse are copies created from a Seed found in the Ark, then that would mean Dark Apocalypse follows ending D, not E. After all, the Ark only fires off in ending D. it never happens in ending C, and in ending E, the event (by my understanding) gets retroactively cancelled.
even if the Ark DOES fire in ending E, then it would be as you said, that the personality and memory data of the characters was copied into the Ark, not moved over entirely.
The battle with the credits in ending E was to my understanding the Pods refusing to allow 2B and 9S to die, thus they went in to save their data
correct me if i’m wrong, but if my memory is correct, the automata concert that goes more into detail on the events after ending e confirms that the ark did go off in ending e, but the pods were still somehow able to repair and reactivate 2B and 9S.
@@chiyuki6095 You are correct, the battle with the end credits is to stop them from being collected/turned off as the ark left & all hope for 2B and 9S would be lost.
So they hack the credit sequence and stop the game from ending - greatest meta move ever
@@chiyuki6095 Copy paste literally exist, so the Arc copied 9S consciousness data inside before his consciousness data gets deleted (which we already know was stopped by Pod 042)
In one of the files we gain access through the weekly quests, its said by a pod that the 2B and 9S are copies.
Of course they are copies. The real ones are dead dead.
I thought they both survive in ending E?
@@Danny-mg1hu tecnicaly they are all copies, when 2b is destroyed and gets into a new body, her mind/memories are just copied from the bunker to a totally new body. 9s died plenty of times killed 2B before he updates his memories at the bunker with the knowledge humanity does not exist.
all u need is to put those memories in any vessel and u have a new one.
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i always though this events happen by the arc, which contained a copy of the date/memories of 2B, 9S, adam/eve, landed on the planet and created these 2B and 9S, while the Pods still created another copie of them in earth, the bunker is gone so the pods are also using the data they gone to recreate them in their likeness because the original data is lost as the bunker exploded
also, yoko taro considers everything cannon XD, so its not farfetch the endings D and E both happen
@@Danny-mg1hu Yoko Taro left the aftermath of ending E up to the players interpretation.
@@kayden9103 in a interview he said both of them were alive. 9s and 2b
One of my biggest points of confusion is that these facilities were here for a good while. How did Emet-Selch and Elidibus not get involved prior to us even arriving on The First? Would the destruction caused by the Machines/Intoner (and Watchers) have accomplished a calamity on The Source as they had intended to use the Sin Eaters for?
Yoko Taro actually makes me into a crazy conspiracy person with his worlds and lore and I hate it, but I also love it.
A) Emet-Selch after establishing Vauthry hasn't really been involved with the First. He was set on retiring to nap for an era after orchestrating Dalamund...until the Lahabrea was killed and the Scions arrived on the First...and Elidibus said "nope mate, I need you to take care of them"
B) Kinda one of the great flaws of the Unsundered (Emet-Selch, Lahabrea, Elidibus) is how their semi-immortality and growing madness (melancholy, mania, and dementia respectively) led to a neglect in oversight of members of the Sundered convocation. Like, they left Mitron to stew in pain and madness as the first sin eater for a century, and didn't think a moment about the problem that was Fandaniel.
C) So, yeah, they could definitely miss something alien showing up in the last century that could've turned the First into another 13th.
In Automata and 1.3a stage play, it's comformed that Accord is in the resistance meaning Accord models are able to travel to multiverse as well, does that mean that somehow Accord following this seed?
She could very well be following the seed. We know that she was built in the kingdom of night in Nier's timeline and that she's trying to stop an apocalypse that would cause every separate timeline to collapse in on itself. The seed could be part of that.
We know that there is more than 1 Accord. Since she has been added in Nier Replicant where Yonah writes about her. Implying, that she still important to the story even after Drakengard 3 story ended.
@@uriel7395 Drakengard 3 trailer also opened with Accord narating the NieR story
@@v1n5aja can you link the trailer please? I can't find anything like that with Accord narrating.
Theres more in the data logs if you read those too, like the fact the Machine Lifeforms Servers are named after Gods.
*looks at seed of destruction*.
Ooooh shit.
1. Thank you so much for this. I've been looking for a summary of the Nier/FFXIV crossover for a while now.
2. Are there any specific details that should be known to those who haven't played the crossover that fans of the DrakeNier universe should know about that weren't mentioned in the video?
3. I am officially considering FF XIV as part of the DrakeNier universe
Watch when 2B comes to Smash and the Smash universe 2B is canon to the series. 100 man brawl but everyone has red eyes, Final Smash Ball is actually a seed of destruction, Lips Stick is actually a fragment of the flower from Drakengard 3
Thank you for the summary! The most recent ending in patch 5.55 left a lot of people confused including myself. I've never played Nier/Drakengard series but enjoyed watching those lore videos. Actually I do have a theory. What if Yoko Taro himself is the 'God' implied in the Drakengard series? The 'God' that sends SOD everywhere and intends to destroy the worlds of his own creation. That would explain him joking about destroying the Final Fantasy XIV world multiple times on camera and the white orb appearing here.
Did you know in Nier automata you could fight the CEO of Equare Enix as an Extra boss? That was a joke for him towards Square Enix for making him absence from Drakengard's project 😂 sure he likes destroying things.
Thank yo so much for talking about this! I haven’t seen anybody cover this
This video was extremely well done and very informative. I will definitely be subscribing and looking forward to your next video.
On a side note , I can say I was here before you reached 50,000 subs.
Hey thanks! I appreciate the optimism!
Over the course of Automata when you die, you just emerge from the last checkpoint. That means a new iteration of you is generated when you die, and because of this there can be many iterations of the same android.
I wouldn't be surprised if all androids are initially from just one or two individuals (like the 2B and 9S lookalike kids in the new Nier Replicant game), but over the years and many copies all develop new personalities based on their experience.
Also thank you for making this, I've been looking for something like this since I don't feel like getting subscribed and playing almost 10 years of FF14 content to know the story.
2B is actually created base on A2. And there are some theories that yorha battle androids all based from Kaine in the replicant since in the ending e her battle data got saved
@@hanslaw2771 A2, like 2B, is based on the personality Number Two, who died before the start ofNumber Nines version of Project Yorha. Its Number 2 > No. 2 Attacker > 2B = 2D
man i am so happy i decided to stay up for a bit longer cuz i probably wouldn’t have found your channel. it’s only been an hour and a half and i’ve watched 5 of your videos about NieR. amazing work
The Warrior of Light could still beat they ass using the power of friendship.
theres definitely a lot to unpack from the raid. what i feel like are a lot of unanswered questions.
could be like yoko taro forgot or had a different vision initially (it WAS a long 6 or 7 months for patch 5.3) or it could really be a grand narrative being built if we were to involve stuff like the new replicant ending, automata, and even nier reincarnation at some point.
but i mainly wanted to call attention to the two theories mentioned about the SoD.
it could very well be the first theory, since 9S is not won’t to save copies of his comrades (ala the stage play/yorha boys book + automata) plus it’d make more sense as to why 21O, 9S’ operator makes a small cameo. something like stuff being built from his memories.
and if we were to consider similar aspects between 9S, the machine lifeforms datalogs, and by extension Konogg, it all points to loneliness.
9S always working alone and getting excited to work with 2B, the more than obvious tells that the machine lifeform data log gives, Konogg becoming a different person when faces the ugly truth about his sister, but a more interesting detail to add in this bunch is the hexadecimal code for the final boss in the second raid does translate to “longing”
when you consider all that, the way Her Inflorescence is designed, of 2P/2B and N2. At least to me, looks like N2 is embracing 2P/B from behind, and 2P/B is looking to embrace others.
just some food for thought.
and it could very well be the second theory. i just remember reading somewhere that the SoD just appears when the world is on the brink of destruction. which makes a lot of sense considering what goes on in the First.
This couldve just taken place in the Source, with Cid sinking his hands into yorha-type technology. But I’d like to think its on the First for a reason besides “shadowbringers content being in shadowbringers places”
Not to mention the line “Let the light in!” N2 shouts before transforming is something that bugged me a lot when first playing. could be referencing he Firsts’ light. or was a concept that replicant/automata or drakengard dipped its toes into for a lil bit. i really dont remember but i kinda recall the “light” concept from somewhere within drakenier.
at the end of the day i could be totally wrong, this is all MY conjecture as a dumb drakenier nerd :p i couldnt help but gush a lil on a great summary vid :)
You can tell an honest Drakengard fan apart from Automata secondaries by their reaction to seeing a Seed of Destruction
Finally, someone who has played both games and actually knows what they’re talking about
They're*
@@Pikachu-qr4yb thnks not the best at spelling
Thank you so much for summarizing this concisely, I’ve tried watching videos that tell the full story and I felt like I was always missing something so thank you.
As for the first theory (and something that folks have mentioned in the comments), p sure Taro likes to validate the existence of all possible endings therefore ending D and ending E both exist just in separate places, so the copied 2B and 9S probably went off to do their ffxiv thing while the ending e ones had their happy (or in the alternate ending, tragic ending). I think because Accord also records all potential timelines, the games themselves don’t want us to consider one ending more right than the other: they all exist, we just have to see which endings follow to which media etc
Again, very good job!
6:45 wait!
That means that the androids traveled through the seeds of destruction, ending up in another dimension in the past, sending the destroyed city with them in the iberic region?
In the ending E of replicant1.22, twin A.I said they hear a song before getting blasted by Kaine and Weiss.
Song... a familiar word to Drakengard fans.
Plus, their tech seems strangely familiar to alien tech from automata......
Perhaps, The SEED followed the QueenBeast to Nier world.
Aliens, machines, androids and everything else are merely it's creation?
I... found this so confusing... Question: how does it fit the narrative that Annog returned? If everything seed-related had to die, why and how did "she" remain? And why was she an ally to begin with? ... Makes me wonder how far the control/influence of that seed is... Ah well, this is the only part of FF14 were I say "fights are fun, story... okay, who cares?" :D
One possibility of how the world's of Nier and Drakengard are connected to FFXIV's story and lore (let me know if this contradicts Drakengard lore, I'm not an expert) is that the worlds of Drakengard and Nier are 2 of the fragments that were split apart from the original world where the ascians come from. Specifically the 13th which itself fractured into two resulting in a 14th.
Why those two? Because from what I understand of Drakengard lore there was a time split that resulted in two parallel worlds. One where history played out normally without magic, gods, or dragons (Nier's world). And another "which eventually came to be known as Midgard," and "was effectively created when, in AD 856 on the Iberian Peninsula, a great city appeared from the sky, along with mysterious beings known as dragons and Watchers."
My theory is that the world of the 13th shard was split into two parallel worlds by this event, creating the 14th shard a.k.a the world of Drakengard. At one point in the Shadowbringers MSQ this split of the 13th was brought up (not sure on this part, do correct me if I am wrong).
Seeing as how the Ascians and the WoL are capable of traveling to other shards, this could potentially shed light or explain other questions like:
- How the city ended up in Midgard and where it came from
- How Caim and Angelus were able to travel to Shinjuku when fighting a Watcher
- Where Accord comes from
- The true origins of the Dragons and the Watchers in Midgard
But unless anyone would like my take on those topics, I'll leave things here. Also, if you've read this far, thanks for your time and attention. Feel
free to add to argue against all this. Your feedback would be most welcome.
I assume: the event of Dark Apocalypse in FF14 continued with the event of Nier Automata ending is leak into other universe? Remember in Nier Automata 9S is the latest!.. And sudden 2P shown up as new latest.. So, something that work out a New android.
Yoko Taro makes cool things, they don't always make sense of the where and why, but they are cool things.
I finally got around to doing the 3rd raid, and I was completely baffled. You've given me a lot to look into, how to I go about parsing all this information? Should I play the nier games? Is there a specific order for these? I'm so confused but intrigued at the same time lol. FFxiv is gonna be the death of me lol
As a big fan of the games I'm a bit biased but I would recommend playing the games if you have the ability to. For order I would say chronological is easiest, so Drakengard 3, then Drakengard 1, then Nier Replicant, then Nier Automata. Annoyingly though, the Drakengard games are stuck on the PS3 and haven't been brought to modern systems. If you don't have a PS3, then Nier Replicant and Automata are easily accessible on PC, PS4, Xbox One and are the best two games in the series in my opinion so you could just play those and supplement with the videos I made on the channel for missing information
@@rexicon hey thanks for the reply, I'll look into them. Can't wait to jump into another pit of lore
Very interesting. I never played any other game except FF14 and WoW. Thank you for explaining the story as it was confusing to me. You got a new sub and I hear nothing wrong with your voice.
2B and 9S ignores the fact that the warrior may be human, if you are a Hyur or any sentient lifeform.
Thank you so much for this!! I played the story in FFXIV but thought they didn’t really explain a lot and was looking for a more in depth video, so thank you so much!! 🙌🏻
Do you think there's a possible connection between how Primals "Temper" in the FF14 universe and the way that the Watchers control people with the Red Eye thing?
I'll comment on this just in case, but there is an exact explanation about how primals temper people
@@Xevolo Yeah, I believe they go over it in ARR.
"Tempering" is actually the term used for when Ifrit brainwashes, because Ifrit is a fire Primal and "Tempering" is a term used for when you heat and cool metal repeatedly when making a sword. However, because Ifrit is the first Primal you face in FF14, "Tempering" kind of became the term associated with all Primals.
Primals are basically a huge mass of energy (called Aether in FF14) that usually leans towards a specific element. Ifrit is fire Aether, Titan is earth Aether, Leviathan is water Aether, etc. When normal people are exposed to a mass of strong Aether like a Primal has, it basically leaves an "imprint" of the desires of the Primal on that person. In essence, it brainwashes them. Anyone who has been Tempered will be forced to follow the desires of the Primal, and even go about in resummoning the Primal if they get defeated. Emet-Selch mentions (in Shadowbringers in a side conversation if you talk to him outside of a cutscene) that Primals "dye" the souls of people with their Aether.
If you go into the Sastasha (Hard) dungeon, you can see the effects of being Tempered by Leviathan on the pirates there. They end up taking more fish-like or aquatic-like features. While it's not always as clearcut with other Primals, it's still the same concept of the Primal's Aether directly affecting the Aether in the souls of others.
It's also important to note that it doesn't matter how strong you are, you can still be Tempered. Tiamat is a member of the First Brood of dragons, arguably some of the strongest beings on the Source. However, she ended up Tempered by the Primal Bahamut when she got tricked into summoning it by the Ascians. And while Tiamat wasn't fully brainwashed, she still comments on how there is an underlying compulsion to resummon him that she can feel, which is part of the reason she willingly allowed herself to be imprisoned by the Allagan Empire.
The only people who are immune to Tempering are those with the Echo. Given the revelations about the nature of Hydaelyn, Zodiark, and the Echo in Shadowbringers I'm not entirely sure what it is exactly right now. But the Echo is why our characters are relied on to handle Primals. We can kill them without fearing being Tempered. Without a group of strong people with the Echo, you basically would end up having to send in multiple waves of soldiers. The first wave would kill the summoners and begin fighting until they got Tempered, which is when you sent in the second wave. The second wave would kill the first wave and attack the Primal until they too got Tempered. You would continue with that patter until the Primal and all the Tempered soldiers were dead.
Thank you for the video mate it’s good to know what happened on the Neir raid anyhow
would not have played ff14 so thanks x)
I do wonder why they chose Kaine's theme to be the final boss theme though.
Intentional when you notice the way Kaine fights despite lacking magic in Route E of Replicant is like the androids, the Tower has P-Types turn into Shades in the digital space just as the Admins used Data versions of Shades Kaine completely knew she was in the wrong to kill(Except Hook),, and her theme plays againts the Final Boss Digital Hook.
Aka Taro Yoko was referencing the game version of EndingE before we even got play it!
@@BlackfangDragon Ahh okay that makes sense. It's also possible Nier Replicant was due to come out before this raid, but COVID messed all the scheduling up.
Well imo it all lines up with the last part of the collab. All the nier bosses popping up, then the last boss, imo, is referencing Kaine more than zero. Her Inflouresance as mention in the video means a stream of flowers. The only person we know to be connected with a stream of flowers...aka a necklace of lunar tears is Kaine. In fact you see that very necklace on the top of the final boss. I mean I guess that could reference zero as well but I always though that was a fusion of the false idol and 2b
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it was all just good fan service to get players ready for Nier Replicant that was to drop a few weeks after lol
Probably because it's Awesome
It's not just Kaine's theme. It's been combined with the final boss theme from the original drakengard.
i wouldnt call nier convoluted, KH is. ha.
I feel like it is a really big jump in logic to assume that the arc from automata had a seed of destruction on it but I guess there really isn't any other explanation because how else would it has gotten data from all of this yorha stuff. Plus the data logs directly state that 2B and 9S put their data inside of it as a way to make it replicate them at wherever he ended up so there would be a chance of destroying it.
this was the most depressing raid i ever play in any online game, if you notice there is not even a win sound afthr killing Her Inflorecence, it feels like we ddint win, it feels like we already lost, another thing as far as i know N2 have information of the other world inside the arc, the data left behin from the old humant race left data and coordinates of the other world, maybe looking for answers in a way to become a god N2 was infected by the influence of the gods, and opening portals they end in FF world, maybe
As someone who has been playing FFXIV and is now getting dragged into the Draken-nier universe..... this is much appreciated because I scene-skipped like crazy because I wanted to get to the new raids, and am only now making deep dives into the lore (as well as playing Replicant). Also playing the D3 Ending E song over the False Idol gave me chills :D I
I was like leave zero alone she went through enough!
Even in other universes she isn't safe :(
The epilogue of Dark Apocalypse: "NOTHING! ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!"
That’s actually not true. There’s a lot there. It just doesn’t give you the conclusion on a silver platter and a bunch is open to interpretation. But between Konogg’s journey and his findings, Glagg’s unusual behavior, and Anogg’s unexpected return, there are a lot of puzzle pieces to work with.
IN Yoko Taro's usual fashion, he loves supplying questions that may not necessarily have answers, as well as answers to questions we don't even know to ask. I get the feeling Glagg's behavior and Anogg's return are somewhere in those. Glagg's behavior especially smells suspiciously like a setup for more content later.
@@Krescentwolf Or Glagg’s behavior could be immediately related to Anogg’s return.
i know almost nothing of nier lore so playing through the raid i was a bit confused and wanted to know some of the deeper meanings of things. thanks for this vid, summarized and explained everything really nicely!
yo thanks for the video, as someone who is big fan of Nier but don't have the access to play FFXIV: Online, this video is helpful :D
Thanks for covering all this, I watched the nier raids thru UA-cam uploads of other people playing but I missed a couple details that you explained so now I know lol
I know this is a lot to ask for but can you make a time-line on the eternity of the nier series to the best of your knowledge. Please, my monkey brain isn't capable of the research.
Sure, that's a pretty good video idea. I'll see what I can do
What about the other white clothed androids that worked with 2P? Are they important? Are they references to other characters in the Nier or Drakengard series?
Just bunch of clones of YoRHa androids made by the Machines using the seed similar to how 2P is a clone of 2B
As someone who doesn't play FFXIV, this video is greatly appreciated.
Consider making a video on Oxenfree? That game needs more attention imo
Hey all! I really appreciate the support I've gotten on the NieR Lore videos so far! I hope you enjoy this one as well!
Which mod did you use for 2B's white outfit? the feathers on her arms are still black with the mod I'm using
I’m curious why you left out the epilogue. Seems kind of important to me.
5:28 my god so similar to zero
This comes off as someones fan fic.
The machines goal is to destroy the enemy. Given that, they need androids to exist for them to have a purpose. That would be a justification for them to replicate 9S and 2B
I think Her Inflorence might be more related to Kaine than to Zero (since the Lunar Tear isn't positioned in her eye, but as a hair piece) and she has a collar of flowers hanging around her, just like the one Kaine's grandma gave her. Ending E from Nier Replicant Ver. 1.22 might have given us more clues as to who Kaine might be exactly (perhaps who she's a replicant from).
Stop everyone....what am I looking at? What game and never this? Tell me everything...
How much was Taro smoking before writing any of that? N2 being connected to the watchers isn't too far fetched because of the constant twin/watcher connection. But suddenly bringing back the SoD and using it as a major plot point seems more like fanservice instead of a thought out plan. I wouldn't be suprised if Taro ends up with humanity creating the SoD, dark flower, and somehow porting the capital city into the Drakengard world. The flower was guarded by an android after all.
That's almost definitely what he's leading up to. The signs have been there for a decade.
minor thing her inflorence has hex code as her title which translate to Aberrattion (41626572726174696f6E)
Her Inflorescence reminded me of ending D Zero but also the Fodra Queen from Tales of Graces f, both of which are terrifying but beautiful
Anyways, thanks for the lore video. That’s crazy Taro expanded the story in a whole other franchise XD
Thank you to explaining this for someone who has not yet played FFXIV online.
Thanks for the video, had been looking forward to a breakdown of the nier content in FF14. (A2 best Android 🙂)
So I'm guessing Yoko Taro worked on final fantasy 15?
Have you watched the Nier anime
Sadly, I havent had the opportunity to play a lot of the Nier/drakengard games, though I have been interested in their lore. It's nice to finally piece together the connections they have to FFXIV though, and the video was awesome~ :^
thank you for making this video. you're really cool!
There's a follow up quest to the follow up quest in 5.55 for the Nier raid.
So her inflorescence is actually the same thing as the final bosses of drakengard 1 and 3?
The flower: aight let clap this world too... Wait why can they use magic normally? oh... they are god killers, Fuck.
Going to suggest that the Seed was not "on" the Ark, the seed *is* the Ark.
I dont think so. The seed has a connection to Drakengard series and the watchers cult. While the Ark was originally meant as artillery to destroy the human server on the moon. It was repurposed as an Ark after the collapse of the red girls on the Tower to travel with the memories (perhaps even the conciences/souls) of the Machines through the universe in search for a New World to live in.
It is stated that the bloodlust of the Machines comes to a halt after the Ark is launched, hence they invite 9S in good faith to join them in their journey
Oh no does this mean 6.1 is the start of the watcher arc and FFXIV becomes a fully fledged drakengard/nier game? Lol
So.. it really doesn't add anything (much) to the core story. Might as well consider it some sort of non-canon side-story.
This is so badass. I didnt know there was an entire Yorha DLC for this game.
The story of Nier is literally one of the best stories ever written in any video game ever made in history.
Hello. Will you make a video out of the documentations scattered around the factory? I really like your voice and your information. Thank you for the definitive summarization of the Nier X FF. I don't play FF so this was a massive help since i've been a Nier Fan since 2012
I'm a big fan of Neir Automata but this was all so confusing... I'm not sure how canon any of it is supposedly to be or how it relates to any of the endings in Automata.
Thanks for the vid, been trying to find a summary of this for a while, but no one was providing.
Seed of destruction wasnt in our reality (nier) reality. It was in drakengards reality. That's a whole different reality.
I don't mean that the Seed originated from our reality, but that someone a Seed came to our reality from Drakengard and copied 2B and co. and then came to the Final Fantasy reality where 2P began her takeover.
Drakengard -> Nier -> FF
@@rexicon oh ok, well I apologize for me misunderstanding you. But where did you find some lore that a seed of destruction came to our reality? I really need to see that, I believe you cause, fuck its yoko taro and if accord can do it, why can't a tool of the gods do it?
@@bigezfire2390 Its in some of Konogg's messages: "Dear Player,
I found out that 2B and 9S accessed the spheres before this all started, which is why they knew about the machine lifeforms' plans to take over our world. They added their own data to that of the machine lifeforms when copies were being made─like some sort of technological virus, apparently─so that they could come here and stop the machines.
They were our allies, from beginning to end...
- Konogg"
"Dear Player,
The white spheres have ties to 2B and 9S's world, which is almost inconceivably advanced. I've found that data there is stored by machines bearing the names of gods, and even the tiniest glimpse of the smallest portion of it reveals memories by the hundreds─people's memories.
What does it mean? I need to know.
- Konogg"
@@rexicon aww dawg, I greatly appreciate you sharing that with me. I was expecting a url but you dumped the actual lore on me. Truly appreciate it cause I wasn't playing that mmo lol. Thank you and hope u have a wonderful day or night
2P?
PP
Are you telling me the Taro Lore has spreed to MMO’s! Ngl kinda impressed how he can implant lore into dam near anything.
Edit: Seems like the series will never end.
I think ffxiv is the least "mmo" MMO out there, so to me it's more like, Taro lore leaked into final fantasy 14
As a ffxiv who has never played nier but wanted to know what this story was all about this was really helpful! All the ffxiv lore channels aren’t that great so this was refreshing
I love nieR and all but... Why does this sound like a fanfic
Interesting in the FFXIV part of the Nier Raid specifically they refer to the Seed as a 'portal' as well, which we also see presumably the same Seed fall out of.
Another interesting tidbit is they also tell us the Seed has its own 'network' and that the Copied 9S has supposedly interfaced with it at some point before the events of Dark Apocalypse.
Which might explain some of the things that have been recreated is each seed, like the flowers on a single stem are connected have been recreated such as the Salt 'snow' or the bosses from Nier Replicant.
Another interesting tidbit is Dark Apocalypse presents the data space as an actual physical place you could traverse to if you had the proper means, Anogg and Konogg bring attention to this during the Raid.
Another interesting note that probably doesnt really have any relevance but is neat none the less is that the Watchers forcing a pact onto someone or creating Red Eyes is compared to Tempering within the FFXIV universe.
Do you think the Blessing of Light would protect against the Red Eye disease?
Sex dolls in lingerie and robots. Perfect pairing.
really liked the video. gotta love the lore of the Nier/drakensang series
dwarves are the key to all of this, much like jar jar
A FUCKING SEED OF DESTRUCTION
I still can't believe she attacks with the Square Enix building.
I can't believe that isn't the weirdest thing I've seen in FFXIV
Your voice is fine
Is this Canon in the nier universe?
So does this takes place before nier automata?
After but the theory is that the universe is a time loop and I believe it so also before
Accord and her shenanigans i bet
I disagree with the part wherein you claim that the aliens had a desire to wipe out mankind as the aliens came to Earth to take it over long after the humans were extinct. Not even the machines showed a desire to destroy humans (with the exception of Adam and Eve but they're an anomaly), and only showed hostility towards androids.
Not to plug my own video too hard but in my automata video I had a section on why I believe androids are humanity’s successors which is why the machines are so bent on destroying them but leave all other lifeforms alone. Additionally the largest scale conflict was between Emil, the last human, and the machines so I can’t agree on showing no desire to kill humans. I’ll admit saying that they were trying to destroy androids because of how human they are is a loaded statement that gets into a lot of metaphysics so it’s very much up for debate
@@rexicon I was supposed to mention Emil, but I don't think he was counted as human after the fact that he became a weapon because he was changed by the Maso experimentations done on him and then later became a skeletal living superweapon. Actually, lorewise, Emil himself accepts that he is no longer human after becoming No. 7.
In all honesty, even with all of the nier and drakengard stuff in the raid, the story just doesn't really fit in with FF and doesn't make much sense even when tying it to the lore of nier and drakengard. Were the raids fun? Yeah, absolutely. Was the story interesting? Not really....
We get betrayed by 2P and hardly formed a connection with her, then rinse and repeat with 2B and 9S as well. We hardly get to form a connection with them too. They feel so detached from the whole narrative and especially to FF itself. Out of all my friends in FF, nobody really knew what was going on in the raids and didn't really care about what happened either. I'm a big nier and drakengard myself but I can speak for quite a few people by saying that the raids are mechanically fun but storywise are much weaker than all other raids in the game. There's just... No reason to care about anyone outside of the twins.
Anyways, great video. Good job on summarizing it all!
Except for Crystal Tower, the alliance 24 man raids have no bearing on the plot whatsoever. Mainly as lore bait.
- Heavensward's is supposed to show the lore of the void creatures seen throughout Gridania.
- Stormblood's is supposed to be a reference to Final Fantasy Tactics
and obviously you know about Shadowbringers.
@@USMC49er One month old reply I know - but here are my thoughts:
- So far, Shadows of Mhach is useless MSQ wise but it helped fleshed out one of the aftermath of the War of the Magi, which is a huge thing for both the Scholar quests and the creation of Sharlayan which we'd finally get to by EW. And who knows? Maybe we'd explore that war or its past eventually like how Crystal Tower which only operated as Allag's generator became plot relevant by ShB.
- Ivalice was fanservice for well, Ivalice yes. It gave us the backstory of one of the conquered territories in Dalmasca though and eventually gave us the Bozja relic quests which also tied into the IVth Legion and Cid's own past with his dad. Sadly, like everything else from 5.3 onwards it's pretty sure that COVID screwed them over especially with that ending.
So in short, despite both being useless for the MSQ so far - they both tied into the XIV lore to some extent so despite the fanservice they aren't really out of place in comparison to NieR where characters barely reacted and it's in a separate bubble from literally anything else in Norvrandt. Hopefully, Myths of the Realm coming by EW would be a step in the right direction, as it pertains to lore about The Twelve and would at least tie into the plot about the Convocation and even Azem and how their identities got warped as deities in people's minds. It might be more interesting and relevant than even Mhach, which is usually regarded as the most "XIV original" Alliance raids ever until that announcement.
Great work!
2p or not to 2p that is the question
4:14
Hmm...this tower reminds me of the Cage from Nier ReIncarnation
Wouldn't called this canon since 2P only existed because of Soul Calibur 5 as a reverse 2 Player alternative, where 2P got the name from called by fans. Intentional or by accident, it was a clever name.
Even if it is canon, it's retroactively inserted.
about the copy, i'm just remembering something from drakengard 1 ending B
Oh my god. Mind blown. Again.
the only MMO i crave to play but can't coz its a subscription, i normally don't play MMO, im bad at the game and i don't last long
*sad noise*