NGL, I was expecting OP in the first story to just open the door and go BANG!!! Considering the threats Karen was making and the fact that she was trespassing/brandishing a firearm, self-defense should've been priority one.
Being volatile with the police while armed and trying to bribe them? That's the surest way to go to jail. She's lucky she didn't get something worse. Great stories, Ripe. 🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟🌟
Story 1: It's very interesting how drug proponents say addiction doesn't cause people to commit crimes when it obviously does with people like this. Story 2: I would NOT suggest apologizing. Basically, the neighbor already wants the boy lobotomized for being a normal 14 year old. Apologizing would put it in her mind that she's in the right when she's an evil psycho.
agree with story 2. seemed more like they set a trap for the boys. The boys didn't really do anything wrong. they were on their property looking over the neighbors and not trying to peep in windows. while she can do anything she wants there it's apparent she knew the boys were there and waited for the ex to show up to cause trouble.
First story.... NEVER eff with a farmer. He knows how to defend himself and his property. 👍 Pull this crap on the wrong person, a righteous midnight beatdown would be the least of her worries. 😡
And NEVER fuck with a farmer who used to jump out of perfectly good airplanes, snuck around in the dark, blew things up and killed people for a living and can end you from another zip code
At 14 I got caught looking at my neighbor sun bathing in the back yard. She knew we were looking at her through the fence. Where we got in trouble was my mom caught us. We got in trouble and she got in trouble too
@@melkiorwiseman5234 True, and even though the psych comment was very precious and dramatic of her to make, she has a right to be angry that she was being perved on and disrespected. All teens need to be taught to not do that to someone. Boys need to learn to respect women's bodies, because otherwise they could end up being the sort to traumatize others
Does she though it sounded like the neighbor knew she was being watched mid week and doesn't confront the husband or kid til Saturday. It also sound like she was still sunbathing during the interim. This sounds like there is a very toxic relationship between husband and ex wife and she was using this as some weird trap. Does the kid deserve punishment sure. Psychotherapy and drugs? NO WAY. Dad needs to step up and parent but mom needs to but out. Why didn't they tell the dad on Wednesday?
@@melkiorwiseman5234Romeo was a f*ck boi 🤣 even in the story his friends talk shit about how ge was in love with Rosalyn the last week after telling them he was in love with Juliet .
Story 2: There is probably nothing more horny than a 14YO boy. You've intervened regarding your son's behavior. You should caution your ex-wife that a vindictive pursuit intended to get at you could cause your children to be labeled for life as a sexual risk even if the neighbor is the provocateur, possibly even planning this with your ex. Collateral damage / unintended consequences to her actions.
Story two: No one is gonna be in my house telling me to drug up my teen son for being a awkward young man. For goodness sake I saw teen girls do the same.
Agreed, "Boys will be boys" is a very accurate assessment of the situation as there could have been a lot worse things typical 14yr olds do, but the dad should have done a little more then just telling his son to stop. The apology suggestion is a good minimum, maybe getting grounded for a time or similar punishments, the wife and friend were examples of what is wrong with woman after feminism since it seems like they would have gone that far for finding a dirty mag or p0rn site in their kids things/history.
He needs to learn to respect women otherwise he could end up a sexual assaulter and even rapist Doesn't mean he needs to go to therapy and be on meds, just means he needs to learn to respect people and be punished accordingly
@@damien678 not every wrong action is also deserving of punishment, if you accidentally step onto my foot that doesnt mean you deserve punishment, you apologize and thats that specifically with the second story that isnt something deserving of punishment im not saying that the kid has the right to look or whatever and it would be a very different story if he had catcalled the lady or taken pictures, stolen underwear etc but assuming that he did just look there is no need for punishment if that was my kid i would sit him down and tell him "look, i know your curious and that is perfectly fine, however it is not at all okay to invade someones privacy because of your curiousity, i wont punish you for this but if it happens again you will receive an appropriate punishment, i would suggest going over there and apologizing but that is up to you, if youre afraid i can come with you but as i said it is entirely up to you and you wont get punished for deciding not to go but going to apologize would show me that you are a responsible person and things like that do affect how much leeway im willing to give you with things like your curfew and allowance and how you spent your time, so take your time and think about what youre going to do and let me know how you decide" 14 is still very young and the brain just about starts to make neural connections especially in the area of sexuality and punishing him for doing this the first time will create and unpleasant connectiont hat just leads to him associating sexual curiousity with shame and punishment (you also mention that not learning respect for women could turn him into a creep or worse, conversely punishing him for something like this could turn him into a prude and insecure) and i wouldnt want my kid to have that connection i also dont want my kid to do the right thing because he is afraid of punishment i want him to do the right thing because its right and letting him from an early age decide such things for himself means he can find his own moral compas instead of trying to force my own values onto him if he did it (or something similiar) again i would punish him appropriately
What the son did IS wrong, and IS ALSO normal for a 14 year old boy. He should have definitely been punished, but the idea that this means something about him is integrally abnormal, and he needs to be medicated is completely absurd.
True. Although it is concerning that instead of the internet he sought out a woman he knew wouldn't want to be perved on, but again... That's why he should be punished
Ripe, got a funny yet sad story. About 8 years ago, took my kids to the San Mateo fair. Got on this ride for the 11th time, as it's our favorite, called the Freakout. It's like Gravatron, but instead of one, it's three spinning cylinders, each on an arm that goes up in the air, and the force keep you in place while almost spinning you upside down. I heard a pop, which was my fanny pack phone lock breaking, which sent my phone flying to the ground. I winced as my phone barely missed a child's head on the other cylinder, then I winced again when I saw it impact the asphalt, and saw pieces flying. After ride was over, the ride operator put a tag out lock on the panel, and went with me to get hopefully the microSD in once piece. Turns out, it wasn't bad at all. All that happened was the thick rubber case popped open, and caused my phone to fly out and open up spilling out the battery and back plate. Grabbed all the parts and got out from under the ride with the operator, and both of us was shocked as I put it together and saw not even the screen was cracked. As I turned it on that all knowing "Excuse me!!! That's mine!!!" Could be heard. Turns out the girl who the phone just missed hitting, had a Karen of a mom, who tried saying the broken phone was her daughter's, and that I'm trying to steal it because I'm a sick man that wants her pictures. My kids were just walking up hearing this woman, said BS, and too bad it didn't hit you!! My wife chastised him and I was like "Oh, and the holder that's locked on my fanny pack jumped from the ride to my side as well?" She tried to grab the phone, and it had just finally powered up, so logged in and showed all the pictures of my kids on it , then told the woman "You still want to say the phone is yours? Since it's full of my kids pictures, that makes you a sick woman yes?" No security needed. She flipped me off and walked away, grabbing her daughter as she left. When I got home, quickly emptied my wallet, and pockets out, and put on my night cloths as I threw my days dirty ones into the wash, logged onto Amazon, and went to leave the seller of the case an Awesome review on how my phone survived the impact from a 100 foot drop ride. It was then I remembered I left the phone in a pocket of my cargo pants I rarely use, that was now in the wash:(
As a father, I actually agree somewhat with the father in story 2. Now hear me out, He didn't immediately know what the kid was doing. And if he were to go full authoritarian on the kid for trying to catch a peek then there is a heavy chance that kid would double down and do something much worse. So to de-escalate he is choosing to calmly teach the boy to not be a creeper. At that age with doing something like that a warning is, in fact, appropriate. Plus just pushing medication on any child going through puberty when several bodily changes are going on is VERY dangerous and could lead to some physical problems. For example, I was kept on Ritalin for too long and because of that I not only have Tourette's from an imbalance in my neurological make up but I had to have the fatty tissue removed from my chest due to getting gynecomastia as a teenager. Something tells me that this whole confrontation with the ex stems from her not getting what she likely wants which is full control, full custody, and all of OP's money without having to respect or interact with OP. This is a common problem actually.
i fully agree, the kid did nothing to warrant actual punishment, if he had catcalled the person, or taken pictures or stolen underwear etc that would be a very different story but just LOOKING isnt anything that warrants punishment, ESPECIALLY because if its a neighbor they should know that their yard is visible from the upper stories of the surrounding houses so the expectation of privacy is alot less than in their own bedroom for example if that was my kid i would tell him that his curiousity is understandable and theres nothing wrong with that but invading others privacy to satiate that curiousity isnt ok, i would leave it up to him to go over to apologize or not but i would also make clear that his decision would impact how much leeway i give him in the future in regards to curfew, allowance and how he plans/spends his day, if he goes to apologize without being forced to do so it shows me that i did raise my kid right and that he is a responsible person which warrants abit more freedom in some regards like for example "Im not going to increase your curfew yet but im not going to be angry at you if youre abit over the curfew, within reason of course"
Story 2, as far as punishment, probably needs to sit down and have a very long talk with his son about personal boundaries. Since this is the first time I don't see a reason for any harder punishment. I want to know why it took the neighbor so long to even report this issue to the father. You can't even really file a police report because he's a minor just playing on the roof of his own house. You can't stop people from doing things on their own property unless it's physically endangering you
They also had zero expectation of privacy, and would likely get in trouble for indecent exposure... Does the boy need to be sat down and talked to about personal boundaries? Yes, but the kid isn't completely at fault either.
@@coldsnap4467 the kid isnt at fault at all, firstly if it was a neighbor they know that the backyard is visible from the second floor and so there isnt the same expectation of privacy as say your own bedroom secondly he was just looking which isnt right but it is understandable for a 14year old boy if it was my kid i would tell him that curiousity is ok but invading someones privacy to satisfy said curiousity isnt ok and i would SUGGEST going to apologize but i would make sure he knows its his choice to do so and while there wont be a punishment for the previous actions or for a refusal to go to apologize if he does it or something similiar again there will be an appropriate punishment and depending what he decides on towards the apologizing part it will affect how much wiggle room there is towards things like curfew, allowance, how he plans his chores and his free time, if he goes over to apologize without being forced to it shows me he is someone who can take responsibility and then im willing to negotiate on those parts and i would slowly start letting him decide when to do his chores as long as they are done that day, id want my kid to grow and and be a responsible person not because he fears punishment but because he knows what's right and what isnt, but you dont achieve that with punishment, especially when the punishment has no relation to to the issue "you didnt do your chores so im taking your phone away for a day" isnt going to solve anything (i mean aside from making him associate not having his phone with punishment leading him to spent as much time with the phone as possible which isnt helpfull) in case i would chose a punishment related to the issue "i gave you the freedom to decide when to do your chores, you didnt finish your chores yesterday so today i will tell you when to do your chores and tomorrow you get to decide again and hopefully this time you will plan around the chores so you can finish them in time, if youre not responsible enough for that yet we can go back to me telling you when to do your chores"
I'm somewhere betwixt and between on the rooftop peeping Toms story. The Dad significantly under-responded, but psychotherapy and meds would be an over-reaction unless this was not an isolated incident.
some kind of punishment yes. but meds and psych was the neighbor opinion, which is not their choice since they are not the parent/guardian. and the fact that the mother is butting into this only lowers her standing in it, for trying to control his parenting.
I grew up in a farming family we used to have a lot of city Folk trying to steal or crops are just trespassing but we farmers from Oklahoma we have a funny way to keep people off or lands lol Osage orange tress all around the land like a wall If your curious about Osage orange tree's they grow extremely long thorns some of the locals we actually call them horse apples
Other plants are used in different seasons for the same thing. Around here my favorite are hog plums..and yes they make pretty good jam if you want to deal with 2"thorns.
Okay, that second story I have to say that the OP is AH. Yes, he should make his son apologize to the woman for invading her privacy but I have to wonder how long his Mom and her neighbor friend knew about it happening if it was longer than the day OP found out then they are also AH's. Aside from that people seem to have missed that OP did not punish his son for lying to him.
I mean, I certainly would not have given her the opportunity to shoot me first, knowing she had a pistol on her and had just threatened me. I'm not even being facetious. Giving an armed person a chance to shoot you first when you pull your gun out to defend yourself is incredibly dangerous. Absolutely not worth the risk of letting her live.
I hate the fact that everyone thinks the 14 yo boy is horrible for looking at something that was on display. If the boys could see the girl sunbathing, she could see them as well. And I know darned well that if a guy was sunbathing nude and teenage girls were peeking, even if they had to climb a ladder to the rooftop deck to do it, the poor guy would be arrested for indecent exposure! Teen males are naturally curious about the female body and teen girls are naturally curious about the male body. Explain things to them about not invading someone else’s privacy or in appropriate touching. Then work on respecting others if you haven’t already. And someone needs to have a conversation with the girl in question too.
⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ In story two both parents are assholes. The father needed to punish his kids for not respecting other people's privacy and the mother sucked for letting her friend suggest intense psychotherapy and medication. It was punishable behavior and if you don't properly discourage that kind of behavior the kids could possibly grow up to be degenerates. Intense psychotherapy and medication for peeping on someone is just plain insane. All of them need to do better.
No you should be firm with him on how its not to disrespect another person privacy and make them to stay thet were sorry and tell the parents of the kids
First story: These people never learn. If you are already doing illegal stuff don't go around making enemies with everyone around you! Besides, did she really expect a farmer wouldn't have a gun of its own? Is almost established that most farmers have a gun to defend their property and animals from danger.
Story Two: OP is MOSTLY not the jerk, BUT: The one thing the ex wife and neighbor were right about is that he really should have given the son at least some kind of punishment. Psychotherapy and medication is going too far for what really is normal teenage boy behavior, but as adults it's the parent's jobs to teach them better and just saying 'no' isn't enough for this kind of thing
I agree the kids need medication and therapy…if she was pushing 600 lbs…if not normal behavior….heck even at 600 lbs morbid curiosity would require a look.
one thing I'm most surprised is that she didn't get a felony charge to destroying a mailbox, and as well as getting charge for animal cruelty, oh well at least there's plenty of other charges that'll keep her in prison for hopefully the rest of her life, and also if she tries to claim that she owns the prison that she's in, she's got a another thing coming, this time from the inmates, cause the only thing the prison inmates will give her, is a knuckle sandwich
1st is exactly what castle doctrine is there for. ‘Hello police? There’s someone on my porch with a pistol trying to get in please send someone as soon as you can… BOOM.. sorry just send a coroner now’
Even as a kid, I knew not to mess with a farmer, and I lived in town! Got lost one day following a creek while visiting my grandparents, and walked through a cornfield when I could see the road. I was afraid of getting a butt full of rocksalt. I could see my grandparents house from the road, as well as how to get there. I don't know how long it took me to get there.
The voyeur son should be punished. Not only did the neighbor complain, but he fully knew what he was doing was wrong. At the very least, the son and the friends should apologize to the neighbor. Me, I'd do a lot more.
Okay, we need a link to your master's website so we can speak to your master about you not providing enough different clips of your master ! We need more kitty clips! Great stories BTW!
Story 3: The cops arrested the man in a public place. No need to call the landlord until the domicile is the place where violations occur for complaints.
Those teen boys have the internet. They intentionally sought out a target that they KNEW wouldn't be ok with their perving. They don't need to go to therapy (yet) and especially not put on meds, and I DON'T CARE how many of us thought it was ok to violate someone's privacy like they did when we were younger, it's not ok and they should be punished.
Probably an unpopular stance here, but yes OP is the A but that being said the neighbor has to know that those kids are watching her. If they're doing it multiple times a week and these are hormone riddled young teenagers being stealthy and quiet is not their forte. I can't honestly believe that woman doesn't know she is being ogled and is still going out topless in spite of it. Doesn't make OP and his son any less of an AH though.
Many years ago a man knocked on my grandparents door saying he broke down asking to use the phone. somewhere along that time he showed his true intentions. Tied Grand ma and grandpa up up, took what he felt was valuable and then decided to steal grandpas truck. He backed it up to the cattle chute. Pushed his motorcyle in and left. Never underestimate a farmer. Grandpa got loose and called the police. His faded red 67 chevy truck was easy to spot and the man was arrested. I do not know the outcome but I do know he at least didn't get away with it.
For the first one, I am the mother of 2 grown boys now 31 & 32 yrs old so I have had experience with this type of thing. First the neighbor is nuts, they are just healthy curious teenagers, and saying they need therapy is WAY overkill, HOWEVER, the Father should have done more than make them stop!! My boys would have AT LEAST been grounded AND apologize to the woman they spied on!!! There NEEDS to be some consequences here so if the dad won't act you may need to report it to the police. These boys getting away with nothing only encourages this behavior and shows how little respect DAD has for women as he seems to think they did nothing wrong!!!
First story. Im pretty sure if the farmer wanted to, they could've sued for malicious litigation. If there were multiple lawsuits that fell through, OP could use that as evidence to go after her to put her under heavy scrutiny.
That Karen is beyond lucky that none of those farmers didn't wait up for her to trespass and vandalize their property. Lotta farmers own shotguns and rifles; they could've just said they thought she was a raccoon or fox going after the chickens, or a coyote. Instead of stealing the farm, Karen would have _bought_ the farm. ☠
i want to say something on the 2nd story, and how i would've basically reacted in the situation: 1. i sure as hell wouldn't put them on any drugs, thats overkill and i completely agree with op on that. 2. i would instead tell him that you ain't getting a gf that way for perving on neighbors. i would also add the following: i get it, your a horny teenager, and your friends are too, i get you wanna play the issei card but son, don't do that, it ain't right and you should find girls that are willing to do that in the bedroom instead. i would agree about the huge knockers on the neighbor but it is still wrong. 3. then i would basically lay out a punishment for not following the rules of the house, a light one for a first offense, he would have to go over there and apologize for the pervy behavior and be honest about it, then basically promise to not do it again. 4. then i would basically work to find out why hes perving on neighbors instead of getting a gf of his own. and give him advice and recommendations, on top of a hug and maybe some encouragement. 5. and once hes worked hard to find a girlfriend on his own, welcome the new couple into the house and cook them a big dinner fit for a new prince and princess, and tell them both that if they plan on doing anything, just to keep it down best you can.
Calling wanting to look at a topless woman "pervy" is part of what's causing the sexual hangups of young people. There is pervy behavior and that was not it. It was inappropriate, yes. But it was NOT pervy.
I agree with the commenters that OP should definitely punish him. It doesn't even really has to be extreme the first time, but not doing anything? That's what bothers me about OP in the story. I really liked the idea of making the kid apologize, AND he should contact each of the other boys' parents who joined his son in watching them since there was no mention of any of them doing so.
@@AngelaVEdwards You do realize that "Perverted" is literally defined as "characterized by sexually abnormal and unacceptable practices or tendencies." meaning that doing something socially unacceptable (like leering at a topless neighbor when she thinks nobody can see her) IS perverted right?
@@DoctorOaks The kid was wrong but calling him a "perv" is overkill, and almost offensive like religious fundamentalists calling gays "sodomites". The boys need to learn to respect women's privacy but if you lower the bar enough, everyone is a perv but most have learned control it and hide it. And "socially acceptable" is a fluid and evolving concept. People who called certain people with non-majority sexual desires (statistically abnormal?) "pervs" are commonly called "homophobic" these days. A 35 year old man peaking in bedroom windows at night is definitely a perv by nearly anyone's definition. But calling boys barely north of puberty who maybe didn't grasp that backyards outside isn't public "pervs" is dramatic overkill. Common sense isn't always common and sometimes needs to be taught.
@@AngelaVEdwards technically yes it is pervy behavior. i get it that you might not consider it pervy behavior but when the majority of society think that violating someones privacy to look at their private bits is wrong, then its probably a good idea to accept it.
Story 3: File a complaint with CPS of MCFD or your local equivalent and/or call the police and report a domestic violence situation. Clearly these children are in a potentially dangerous situation and this family needs resources and help to deal with their issues badly given all the fighting and yelling. NTA!
Story 1 - when shit first hit the fan, why didn't OP have cameras installed and start documenting her antics? I would've also had my property surveyed, pulled up the property deed and have everything notarized to establish their authenticity. Then I would've posted 'No Trespassing' signs along the property perimeter. Gathered my proof and then filed for a restraining order. Every encounter with her would've been on camera. Last Story - when the neighbors started their screaming matches, I'd blast them with an air horn. But when it became confrontational, calling the cops was the right thing to do. Document those encounters.
First story, I'm a farm girl at heart, even though I have never lived on a farm. Did work on one when I was a young adult. That's where I learned how to drive tractors, forklifts and a motorcycle. My dream is to have my own small farm. But for now, I rent a field for my horses and chickens. My dog is a bird dog. I had to work with her to get her to not chase the chickens, unless I tell her to. Chickens are stupid. I let them out of their pen during the day, then lock them back up at night. There will be times when one can't find the door, in spite of walking past it. That's when I let her chase one. She'll run after it until I'm able to catch it, and put it where it belongs. I would be devastated if anything happened to her. Lord willing, I'll be buying land in another (cheaper) state this year so I can have my own farm.
Story 2: are we gloss over the neighbour got his ex-wife into this? and on top she literally put medication and other things? And also the ex-wife has jack shit to said on this too. On other hand i agree OP should give a punishment and a serious talk to the son. Something who would make him understand why this is unacceptable even if he is a horny teen. THAT there is parenting. On other hand, not amount of apologize will please a psycho like that neighbor. This is a case where everyone sucks in one way or another. AND OP's son is the least of her concerns, because if wasn't OP's son it will be someone else, filming her as well too.
AITA story - If it happened in the US, then legally there was no invasion of privacy because they weren't breaking any laws in order to be somewhere that they could view the next door neighbor. That said, he was still disrespectful to the neighbor, disrespectful to OP (for lying), and failed to put the ladder away. So, son shouldn't be allowed to have friends over for a few months, and should be required to not only help neighbor with chores (cutting the grass, cleaning her car, etc.), but he should also be made to be present when either parent are telling the neighbor embarrassing stories about him, so that he feels the same personal violation that she undoubtedly felt. By doing chores for her, he'll have a chance to get to know her some, thus realizing that she is a human being with feelings. The embarrassment will give him a taste of what he was doing to her. The lack of friends over for awhile will be the lesson for lying and not putting the ladder away. Would be funny if he was being made to do chores for her and then she suddenly became attracted to him and started a fling with him. Be like, "Geez lady, first you complain about his spying, now you're shagging him senseless! Make up your mind already!" 🤣
story 2 i love that the frieind didn't go to the father before going screaming to the ex wife , that said there really inst a punishment for it that will stick the kid likelyhas access to the internet so he will just perv out on that. whats apologizing going to amount to clearly the neighbor wont be happy with just that the person wants your son medicated and in therapy. its best to go no contact with these people.
Starting to believe it's some kind of setup, not only did she go straight to the exwife she went only after the boys stopped staring at her to report it
@@willoyd614 that too , it could very well be an attempt for the mom to get custody taken from the dad , I mean if the woman was really that butthurt about it she could have gone to the police doubt it would achieve much but she could have.
The kid spying on the neighbour is not invasion of privacy as she is outside in the yard not in a area in which you can expect privacy if a drone went over the yard it is able to record. The only place where privacy exsists is in your private home with windows blocked.
depends on the type of fence, but generally no, unless the fence is significantly see through enough (ex: chain link, bar, or open slat fence). any fencing you cannot see over or through, from ground level, is generally considered a privacy fence. thus it would be an invasion of privacy to look or record over/around them to see the other side. unless that is, you are saying it is alright for your neighbors to record through your windows, from their yards of course. your living room, kitchen, bedroom, bathroom, ect, are all viewable from public property, even though it is inside your home.
story #2.. NTA, i did it as a kid, OP probably did it to, it sounds like the wife was just looking for an excuse to get more child support. if the mom is so concerned about punishing the son, she could have punished the son at her house when he's there.
That doesn't make it right, or do you still perv on unsuspecting women? Boys need to learn to respect women and their bodies otherwise they could turn into little rapists Do you think this would be ok if they violated your mother by perving on her like those boys did to their neighbour? Would you be ok if it was your sister? Niece? Daughter? If it was your partner? The boy doesn't need to be on meds, but he does need to be punished
In the second story, having the kid apologize would be good in an ideal world, but these days I'd be seriously worried about him getting arrested for that behaviour. I don't have a better idea, but getting him stuck in the juvenile criminal justice system seems like it might be overkill.
Story 2: It IS a boys will be boys situation. However, they could have gotten in serious trouble if neighbor reported to cops about it. OP needs to sit his son down and explain why it is not ok behavior and personally apologize to the neighbor. Also, OP needs to ALWAYS record interactions with the EX so her threats are rendered useless. He can also show the recording to his son (she wanted to hospitalize and medicate her son just to cause drama for OP)
She would have no case if she went to the cops the kids are on their own property playing on the roof if anything it could be seen as an adult flashing a minor she went basically a whole week without reporting it
Is that any worse than the pron the school giving kids excess to, in the library? As far as I know, it is still illegal to be a peaking tom. The parent could also be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
NTA! I am a 68 year old woman with old fashioned values. Exwife and neighbor are being WAY over the top nuts! I suspect neighbor knew the boys were there (on their own property), and was enjoying some exhibitionism. We don't know how much conversation there was by the Dad when he talked to the boys. It may have been and SHOULD have been a VERY stern talking to including why this behavior is wrong! I don't think any more punishment needs to happen, except maybe an apology letter from each boy along with a gift basket of fruit or cheese or whatever, paid for by 3 boys allowances. Don't go overboard and scar the children instead of educating them. Most of these comments are crazy. These boys are just at the age of learning about sexuality. This is part of that education...learning what is and is not appropriate. I would love for a child psychologist to add their 2 cents.
To be honest this woman really needed to stop her drug problem and get help for that and not trying to basically con a farmer out of his property. which was never going to work and she clearly wasn't the brightest person in her family. you don't come up to a guy's door and show the gun where he can see it before he even gets to the door. and I am really glad that in the end she got what she deserved after all the s*** she had pulled. and to be honest I am also Furious that she didn't get any repercussions from hitting a dog with a shovel! and what was she expecting to do with a shovel on his property on her own? was she really thinking she could just dig in a hole and suddenly a five-star hotel with as everything over the installed would pop out of the ground? plus she would technically need permits to build a hotel and that's gonna take a couple of months more than enough time for somebody to prove the legality of the project. also never do illegal stuff and make enemies with basically your entire neighborhood. I'm surprised she didn't get shot at one point.
Story 2: ESH. Except the girl. The son should not have been spying on the girl and should be punished. Boys will be boys is no excuse. But what the neighbour wanted was overboard too. If the son was older the law would have been involved. Also, if this behaviour goes unchecked it tends to escalate with time. So punishment is necessary to prevent worse things in the future. Something like an essay on privacy rights or the harm caused to the victim by this kind of violation would serve a useful purpose. And, of course, an apology to the girl. But going overboard like the neighbour wanted will do more harm than good.
Last story: .By "unwanted attention" the landlord may simply have not wanted the property to get a bad reputation. In 2014 bedbugs were epidemic locally after the province banned some pesticides. My 4-plex was one victim. Everyone had to toss our furniture and almost everything we owned. When the furniture was on the side of the road waiting for disposal by the city, I was worried that an innocent scavenger would take it home and end up with bedbugs so I wrote hand written signs warning people of the bedbugs and put them on the furniture. I was promptly told to remove them because the landlord didn't want anyone knowing about the bedbugs because he didn't want to get a bad reputation. I said why I wanted the signs there. We ended up compromising and the signs I was allowed to put up simply said that the furniture was unsafe
I wouldnt a punish the kid at this stage id explain how it's wrong, to respect people's privacy, not to do it again and have him apologize to the person. If he did it again after that then they get punished
I agree..however the boys will be boys is true..as is girls will be girls. Puberty.. lots of things that kids don't know how to deal with and tend to very much have a pack mentality. It's not an excuse or acceptance but a reason, and it needs to be dealt with
having to face the person and apologize for that is punishment in itself, not physical (unless she slaps him) but phycological. but yes, maybe take the ladder down while hes up there, and let him sit up there for a few hours(hopefully in the rain), to get the message across.
@@PartytimeYOLO I don't think leaving a kid stranded on the roof for hours is a good idea, he would probably try and get down himself and end up badly hurting himself, and I'm not 100% sure on this but I feel like op could get in BIG trouble for purposely leaving his 14 year old son on the roof with no way down, especially if the son hurts himself trying to get down
So... This farmer guy has lots of land, a shovel right there, and plenty of motivation after his dog was attacked and he couldn't make his problem go away? His unwillingness to go "hands on" to defend himself or just bodily remove her from his property seems like this story was fabrication. That writer is a Karma Farmer, with upvotes being his only crop. Farmers will ALWAYS get physical to address a threat, and they're usually a lot stronger than their "city folk" neighbors causing the problems.
Unwanted attention may be that if the cops get called three time on a tenant they get $200.00 fine, the fourth call $400.00 the fifth complaint $800.00, the sixth time $1,000.00 fine. The owner gets the fine.
I can buy the boys will be boys thing. At that age, I would probably have done the same thing if I had the opportunity. But, I still believe that the boys should have been punished. They were old enough to know what they were doing was wrong.
and the neighbor knew they were looking, yet still went outside naked. there is fault on everyone in that story. the dad didnt punish him, the mom is just trying to stir up trouble, and besides my first point the neighbor dosent get to decide the punishment, and should have went to the dad directly.
The Karen in the first story would have been dead way before she threatened him with a gun to force him to sign over his land. Anyone catching her stealing stuff from their property at night might be inclined to use Mr. Smith and Wesson or Mr. Armalite instead of calling the police. And all bets would be off if she came to my front door brandishing a gun and threatening me while I had a shotgun. OP had every right to put that shotgun to use in self defense and that would have taken care of their Karen problem once and for all.
Sorry, I'm gonna' have to go against the grain for the second-to-last story, and say: NTA. Just because he didn't make it blatantly obvious that he had a sit-down talk with his son about boundaries and respecting privacy and so on, doesn't mean that talk didn't happen. You have to piece it together from the context of a few minor comments he made, but the story *blatantly reveals* that that talk *absolutely did* happen. Giving the kid any kind of actual punishment without first giving him such a sit-down talk is inappropriate, because teenaged boys are young, hormonal, and stupid. Something like this happening is inevitable, and while yes, it's not something that should be allowed to slide, giving them a genuine punishment without first attempting to scare them straight with a serious talking to, is just not the correct course of action. Only if they *do it again* after you've had that talk, does it become appropriate to start disciplining them.
In the first story, the main character should’ve took the shovel out of Karen’s hands and broke her knee caps with it so she couldn’t flee so the police could’ve gotten her because I swear to God if I was in his position that is exactly what I would have done to prevent her from fleeing and to pay her back for hurting my dog
bruh, in the 70s looking at topless women was a perfectly normal pastime for teenage boys. this generation is so sensitive, we've lost what it means to be men, and women have lost what it means to be women, everyone is just acting like robots with no passion. if the internet wasn't so great I'd almost want us to lose all our advanced technology that has enabled this sort of thing.
Hello, police? I'd like to report a man pulled a gun on me after I pulled one on him. Yea, that'll work.
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Not when it is armed trespassing especially if they are threatening
@@kevinkocher9347 this is what's known as "sarcasm"
@@KarakTo When all else fails, try to bribe them.
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NGL, I was expecting OP in the first story to just open the door and go BANG!!! Considering the threats Karen was making and the fact that she was trespassing/brandishing a firearm, self-defense should've been priority one.
I was asking "How hasn't this loser been shot?!" After she hit the dog with a shovel.
If it was me, the moment I saw Karen approaching me and armed, rounds would be heading downrange at Karen
Being volatile with the police while armed and trying to bribe them? That's the surest way to go to jail. She's lucky she didn't get something worse.
Great stories, Ripe.
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Those people were goddamn doormats. Ripe would’ve “taken” care of those entitled neighbors with ninja STARS
Destruction of a mailbox is a federal offense!
Not all of these stories take place in the US, numbnuts and thus US Law does not apply.
Story 1: It's very interesting how drug proponents say addiction doesn't cause people to commit crimes when it obviously does with people like this.
Story 2: I would NOT suggest apologizing. Basically, the neighbor already wants the boy lobotomized for being a normal 14 year old. Apologizing would put it in her mind that she's in the right when she's an evil psycho.
agree with story 2. seemed more like they set a trap for the boys. The boys didn't really do anything wrong. they were on their property looking over the neighbors and not trying to peep in windows. while she can do anything she wants there it's apparent she knew the boys were there and waited for the ex to show up to cause trouble.
First story.... NEVER eff with a farmer. He knows how to defend himself and his property. 👍
Pull this crap on the wrong person, a righteous midnight beatdown would be the least of her worries. 😡
And NEVER fuck with a farmer who used to jump out of perfectly good airplanes, snuck around in the dark, blew things up and killed people for a living and can end you from another zip code
Beatdown nothing, with the usual farmer, it would be flying buckshot.
More like fertilizing his farm. As many people as she pissed off, who would testify against him?
She's lucky he didn't put no trespassing signs violators will be sh0t and then followed up with it. (Before she showed up with a gun)
Karen ~ So what are you gonna do, call the police?
OP ~ Why bother? After all, no-one knows you're here...
At 14 I got caught looking at my neighbor sun bathing in the back yard. She knew we were looking at her through the fence. Where we got in trouble was my mom caught us. We got in trouble and she got in trouble too
@@melkiorwiseman5234 True, and even though the psych comment was very precious and dramatic of her to make, she has a right to be angry that she was being perved on and disrespected. All teens need to be taught to not do that to someone. Boys need to learn to respect women's bodies, because otherwise they could end up being the sort to traumatize others
Does she though it sounded like the neighbor knew she was being watched mid week and doesn't confront the husband or kid til Saturday. It also sound like she was still sunbathing during the interim. This sounds like there is a very toxic relationship between husband and ex wife and she was using this as some weird trap. Does the kid deserve punishment sure. Psychotherapy and drugs? NO WAY. Dad needs to step up and parent but mom needs to but out. Why didn't they tell the dad on Wednesday?
….why did she get it trouble for YOU being a pervert?
@@melkiorwiseman5234Romeo was a f*ck boi 🤣 even in the story his friends talk shit about how ge was in love with Rosalyn the last week after telling them he was in love with Juliet .
Story 2: There is probably nothing more horny than a 14YO boy. You've intervened regarding your son's behavior. You should caution your ex-wife that a vindictive pursuit intended to get at you could cause your children to be labeled for life as a sexual risk even if the neighbor is the provocateur, possibly even planning this with your ex. Collateral damage / unintended consequences to her actions.
Story two: No one is gonna be in my house telling me to drug up my teen son for being a awkward young man.
For goodness sake I saw teen girls do the same.
Agreed, "Boys will be boys" is a very accurate assessment of the situation as there could have been a lot worse things typical 14yr olds do, but the dad should have done a little more then just telling his son to stop. The apology suggestion is a good minimum, maybe getting grounded for a time or similar punishments, the wife and friend were examples of what is wrong with woman after feminism since it seems like they would have gone that far for finding a dirty mag or p0rn site in their kids things/history.
He needs to learn to respect women otherwise he could end up a sexual assaulter and even rapist
Doesn't mean he needs to go to therapy and be on meds, just means he needs to learn to respect people and be punished accordingly
@@damien678 not every wrong action is also deserving of punishment, if you accidentally step onto my foot that doesnt mean you deserve punishment, you apologize and thats that
specifically with the second story that isnt something deserving of punishment im not saying that the kid has the right to look or whatever and it would be a very different story if he had catcalled the lady or taken pictures, stolen underwear etc but assuming that he did just look there is no need for punishment
if that was my kid i would sit him down and tell him "look, i know your curious and that is perfectly fine, however it is not at all okay to invade someones privacy because of your curiousity, i wont punish you for this but if it happens again you will receive an appropriate punishment, i would suggest going over there and apologizing but that is up to you, if youre afraid i can come with you but as i said it is entirely up to you and you wont get punished for deciding not to go but going to apologize would show me that you are a responsible person and things like that do affect how much leeway im willing to give you with things like your curfew and allowance and how you spent your time, so take your time and think about what youre going to do and let me know how you decide"
14 is still very young and the brain just about starts to make neural connections especially in the area of sexuality and punishing him for doing this the first time will create and unpleasant connectiont hat just leads to him associating sexual curiousity with shame and punishment (you also mention that not learning respect for women could turn him into a creep or worse, conversely punishing him for something like this could turn him into a prude and insecure) and i wouldnt want my kid to have that connection i also dont want my kid to do the right thing because he is afraid of punishment i want him to do the right thing because its right and letting him from an early age decide such things for himself means he can find his own moral compas instead of trying to force my own values onto him if he did it (or something similiar) again i would punish him appropriately
What the son did IS wrong, and IS ALSO normal for a 14 year old boy. He should have definitely been punished, but the idea that this means something about him is integrally abnormal, and he needs to be medicated is completely absurd.
True. Although it is concerning that instead of the internet he sought out a woman he knew wouldn't want to be perved on, but again... That's why he should be punished
Ripe, got a funny yet sad story. About 8 years ago, took my kids to the San Mateo fair. Got on this ride for the 11th time, as it's our favorite, called the Freakout. It's like Gravatron, but instead of one, it's three spinning cylinders, each on an arm that goes up in the air, and the force keep you in place while almost spinning you upside down. I heard a pop, which was my fanny pack phone lock breaking, which sent my phone flying to the ground. I winced as my phone barely missed a child's head on the other cylinder, then I winced again when I saw it impact the asphalt, and saw pieces flying. After ride was over, the ride operator put a tag out lock on the panel, and went with me to get hopefully the microSD in once piece. Turns out, it wasn't bad at all. All that happened was the thick rubber case popped open, and caused my phone to fly out and open up spilling out the battery and back plate. Grabbed all the parts and got out from under the ride with the operator, and both of us was shocked as I put it together and saw not even the screen was cracked. As I turned it on that all knowing "Excuse me!!! That's mine!!!" Could be heard. Turns out the girl who the phone just missed hitting, had a Karen of a mom, who tried saying the broken phone was her daughter's, and that I'm trying to steal it because I'm a sick man that wants her pictures. My kids were just walking up hearing this woman, said BS, and too bad it didn't hit you!! My wife chastised him and I was like "Oh, and the holder that's locked on my fanny pack jumped from the ride to my side as well?" She tried to grab the phone, and it had just finally powered up, so logged in and showed all the pictures of my kids on it , then told the woman "You still want to say the phone is yours? Since it's full of my kids pictures, that makes you a sick woman yes?" No security needed. She flipped me off and walked away, grabbing her daughter as she left. When I got home, quickly emptied my wallet, and pockets out, and put on my night cloths as I threw my days dirty ones into the wash, logged onto Amazon, and went to leave the seller of the case an Awesome review on how my phone survived the impact from a 100 foot drop ride. It was then I remembered I left the phone in a pocket of my cargo pants I rarely use, that was now in the wash:(
As a father, I actually agree somewhat with the father in story 2. Now hear me out, He didn't immediately know what the kid was doing. And if he were to go full authoritarian on the kid for trying to catch a peek then there is a heavy chance that kid would double down and do something much worse. So to de-escalate he is choosing to calmly teach the boy to not be a creeper. At that age with doing something like that a warning is, in fact, appropriate. Plus just pushing medication on any child going through puberty when several bodily changes are going on is VERY dangerous and could lead to some physical problems. For example, I was kept on Ritalin for too long and because of that I not only have Tourette's from an imbalance in my neurological make up but I had to have the fatty tissue removed from my chest due to getting gynecomastia as a teenager.
Something tells me that this whole confrontation with the ex stems from her not getting what she likely wants which is full control, full custody, and all of OP's money without having to respect or interact with OP. This is a common problem actually.
i fully agree, the kid did nothing to warrant actual punishment, if he had catcalled the person, or taken pictures or stolen underwear etc that would be a very different story but just LOOKING isnt anything that warrants punishment, ESPECIALLY because if its a neighbor they should know that their yard is visible from the upper stories of the surrounding houses so the expectation of privacy is alot less than in their own bedroom for example
if that was my kid i would tell him that his curiousity is understandable and theres nothing wrong with that but invading others privacy to satiate that curiousity isnt ok, i would leave it up to him to go over to apologize or not but i would also make clear that his decision would impact how much leeway i give him in the future in regards to curfew, allowance and how he plans/spends his day, if he goes to apologize without being forced to do so it shows me that i did raise my kid right and that he is a responsible person which warrants abit more freedom in some regards like for example "Im not going to increase your curfew yet but im not going to be angry at you if youre abit over the curfew, within reason of course"
Story 2, as far as punishment, probably needs to sit down and have a very long talk with his son about personal boundaries. Since this is the first time I don't see a reason for any harder punishment.
I want to know why it took the neighbor so long to even report this issue to the father. You can't even really file a police report because he's a minor just playing on the roof of his own house. You can't stop people from doing things on their own property unless it's physically endangering you
They also had zero expectation of privacy, and would likely get in trouble for indecent exposure... Does the boy need to be sat down and talked to about personal boundaries? Yes, but the kid isn't completely at fault either.
a good talk isnt a punishment, if a good talk works as a punishment then you picked the wrong tone
@@coldsnap4467 the kid isnt at fault at all,
firstly if it was a neighbor they know that the backyard is visible from the second floor and so there isnt the same expectation of privacy as say your own bedroom
secondly he was just looking which isnt right but it is understandable for a 14year old boy
if it was my kid i would tell him that curiousity is ok but invading someones privacy to satisfy said curiousity isnt ok and i would SUGGEST going to apologize but i would make sure he knows its his choice to do so and while there wont be a punishment for the previous actions or for a refusal to go to apologize if he does it or something similiar again there will be an appropriate punishment and depending what he decides on towards the apologizing part it will affect how much wiggle room there is towards things like curfew, allowance, how he plans his chores and his free time, if he goes over to apologize without being forced to it shows me he is someone who can take responsibility and then im willing to negotiate on those parts and i would slowly start letting him decide when to do his chores as long as they are done that day, id want my kid to grow and and be a responsible person not because he fears punishment but because he knows what's right and what isnt, but you dont achieve that with punishment, especially when the punishment has no relation to to the issue "you didnt do your chores so im taking your phone away for a day" isnt going to solve anything (i mean aside from making him associate not having his phone with punishment leading him to spent as much time with the phone as possible which isnt helpfull) in case i would chose a punishment related to the issue "i gave you the freedom to decide when to do your chores, you didnt finish your chores yesterday so today i will tell you when to do your chores and tomorrow you get to decide again and hopefully this time you will plan around the chores so you can finish them in time, if youre not responsible enough for that yet we can go back to me telling you when to do your chores"
Hello Ripe. Everyone in the area should have filed for restraining orders lol. See you tomorrow
That rich Karen should know never mess with a farmer.
I'm somewhere betwixt and between on the rooftop peeping Toms story. The Dad significantly under-responded, but psychotherapy and meds would be an over-reaction unless this was not an isolated incident.
some kind of punishment yes. but meds and psych was the neighbor opinion, which is not their choice since they are not the parent/guardian. and the fact that the mother is butting into this only lowers her standing in it, for trying to control his parenting.
I grew up in a farming family we used to have a lot of city Folk trying to steal or crops are just trespassing but we farmers from Oklahoma we have a funny way to keep people off or lands lol Osage orange tress all around the land like a wall
If your curious about Osage orange tree's they grow extremely long thorns some of the locals we actually call them horse apples
Other plants are used in different seasons for the same thing. Around here my favorite are hog plums..and yes they make pretty good jam if you want to deal with 2"thorns.
I call them the green brain tree. 😂
Okay, that second story I have to say that the OP is AH. Yes, he should make his son apologize to the woman for invading her privacy but I have to wonder how long his Mom and her neighbor friend knew about it happening if it was longer than the day OP found out then they are also AH's. Aside from that people seem to have missed that OP did not punish his son for lying to him.
For story 1: if someone shot and killed her, I don't think anyone would blame whoever did it
Police there seem incredibly incompetent
I mean, I certainly would not have given her the opportunity to shoot me first, knowing she had a pistol on her and had just threatened me.
I'm not even being facetious. Giving an armed person a chance to shoot you first when you pull your gun out to defend yourself is incredibly dangerous. Absolutely not worth the risk of letting her live.
@@MrDoverfield Can't arrest someone who's not there
@@Caelus32 cant arrest someone who is dead....
@@PartytimeYOLO lol
Story 2 the dad shoulda punished him but jebus the moms reactions were overboard
I hate the fact that everyone thinks the 14 yo boy is horrible for looking at something that was on display. If the boys could see the girl sunbathing, she could see them as well. And I know darned well that if a guy was sunbathing nude and teenage girls were peeking, even if they had to climb a ladder to the rooftop deck to do it, the poor guy would be arrested for indecent exposure! Teen males are naturally curious about the female body and teen girls are naturally curious about the male body. Explain things to them about not invading someone else’s privacy or in appropriate touching. Then work on respecting others if you haven’t already. And someone needs to have a conversation with the girl in question too.
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In story two both parents are assholes. The father needed to punish his kids for not respecting other people's privacy and the mother sucked for letting her friend suggest intense psychotherapy and medication. It was punishable behavior and if you don't properly discourage that kind of behavior the kids could possibly grow up to be degenerates. Intense psychotherapy and medication for peeping on someone is just plain insane. All of them need to do better.
No you should be firm with him on how its not to disrespect another person privacy and make them to stay thet were sorry and tell the parents of the kids
Story 1: Got a problem with your dog's (Cook's) injury?? then file separate felony and civil complaints independently of her existing convictions.
First story: These people never learn. If you are already doing illegal stuff don't go around making enemies with everyone around you! Besides, did she really expect a farmer wouldn't have a gun of its own? Is almost established that most farmers have a gun to defend their property and animals from danger.
Honestly I think the whole story is fake.
Good that farmer got revenge on entitled neighbor for trying to steal his farm
*sees story #1
*Calls John Wick
Story Two: OP is MOSTLY not the jerk, BUT: The one thing the ex wife and neighbor were right about is that he really should have given the son at least some kind of punishment. Psychotherapy and medication is going too far for what really is normal teenage boy behavior, but as adults it's the parent's jobs to teach them better and just saying 'no' isn't enough for this kind of thing
I agree the kids need medication and therapy…if she was pushing 600 lbs…if not normal behavior….heck even at 600 lbs morbid curiosity would require a look.
one thing I'm most surprised is that she didn't get a felony charge to destroying a mailbox, and as well as getting charge for animal cruelty, oh well at least there's plenty of other charges that'll keep her in prison for hopefully the rest of her life, and also if she tries to claim that she owns the prison that she's in, she's got a another thing coming, this time from the inmates, cause the only thing the prison inmates will give her, is a knuckle sandwich
shouldnt have called the cops should have just pulled the trigger and called the mortuary.
A surprising number of the mega-Karens are fueled by drugs.
1st is exactly what castle doctrine is there for. ‘Hello police? There’s someone on my porch with a pistol trying to get in please send someone as soon as you can… BOOM.. sorry just send a coroner now’
ah cityfolk....time for them to learn that yeah, they can get guns.....but the people they want to harass also have guns, bigger guns
Even as a kid, I knew not to mess with a farmer, and I lived in town! Got lost one day following a creek while visiting my grandparents, and walked through a cornfield when I could see the road. I was afraid of getting a butt full of rocksalt.
I could see my grandparents house from the road, as well as how to get there. I don't know how long it took me to get there.
The voyeur son should be punished. Not only did the neighbor complain, but he fully knew what he was doing was wrong.
At the very least, the son and the friends should apologize to the neighbor. Me, I'd do a lot more.
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I'm suprised they never learn to not mess with farmers.
1st story was not about a Karen. That lady was drug addicted..BIG difference
Okay, we need a link to your master's website so we can speak to your master about you not providing enough different clips of your master !
We need more kitty clips!
Great stories BTW!
"You're farm is a public nuisance! I'm calling the police!"
Me:"Go ahead. I'll have you taken away for being a lublic nuisance."
Story 3: The cops arrested the man in a public place. No need to call the landlord until the domicile is the place where violations occur for complaints.
Great stories
Those teen boys have the internet. They intentionally sought out a target that they KNEW wouldn't be ok with their perving.
They don't need to go to therapy (yet) and especially not put on meds, and I DON'T CARE how many of us thought it was ok to violate someone's privacy like they did when we were younger, it's not ok and they should be punished.
Probably an unpopular stance here, but yes OP is the A but that being said the neighbor has to know that those kids are watching her. If they're doing it multiple times a week and these are hormone riddled young teenagers being stealthy and quiet is not their forte. I can't honestly believe that woman doesn't know she is being ogled and is still going out topless in spite of it. Doesn't make OP and his son any less of an AH though.
she probbaly didn't at first , but that said she likely hasn't stopped and the kid can always see much worse online.
Many years ago a man knocked on my grandparents door saying he broke down asking to use the phone. somewhere along that time he showed his true intentions. Tied Grand ma and grandpa up up, took what he felt was valuable and then decided to steal grandpas truck. He backed it up to the cattle chute. Pushed his motorcyle in and left. Never underestimate a farmer. Grandpa got loose and called the police. His faded red 67 chevy truck was easy to spot and the man was arrested. I do not know the outcome but I do know he at least didn't get away with it.
Rich Karen story once she hit the mailbox I'd reported it to the police and the postal service that's a federal crime
A fourteen year old playing army?! Red flag
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Yikes, that Karen who hit the dog with the shovel finally got what she really deserved! What a monster she was!
For the first one, I am the mother of 2 grown boys now 31 & 32 yrs old so I have had experience with this type of thing. First the neighbor is nuts, they are just healthy curious teenagers, and saying they need therapy is WAY overkill, HOWEVER, the Father should have done more than make them stop!! My boys would have AT LEAST been grounded AND apologize to the woman they spied on!!! There NEEDS to be some consequences here so if the dad won't act you may need to report it to the police. These boys getting away with nothing only encourages this behavior and shows how little respect DAD has for women as he seems to think they did nothing wrong!!!
Awesome video brother stay strong and God bless
Jeeze, that second story
Yeah I think he should be punished, but psycho therapy and heavily medicated? Chill lady, damn
First story. Im pretty sure if the farmer wanted to, they could've sued for malicious litigation. If there were multiple lawsuits that fell through, OP could use that as evidence to go after her to put her under heavy scrutiny.
That Karen is beyond lucky that none of those farmers didn't wait up for her to trespass and vandalize their property. Lotta farmers own shotguns and rifles; they could've just said they thought she was a raccoon or fox going after the chickens, or a coyote. Instead of stealing the farm, Karen would have _bought_ the farm. ☠
The OP in Story #1 should have deposed if Karen in pieces. Hitting and hurting an animal crosses a line.
Story 1: So just no putting up cameras or reporting to the police? 😂
i want to say something on the 2nd story, and how i would've basically reacted in the situation:
1. i sure as hell wouldn't put them on any drugs, thats overkill and i completely agree with op on that.
2. i would instead tell him that you ain't getting a gf that way for perving on neighbors. i would also add the following: i get it, your a horny teenager, and your friends are too, i get you wanna play the issei card but son, don't do that, it ain't right and you should find girls that are willing to do that in the bedroom instead. i would agree about the huge knockers on the neighbor but it is still wrong.
3. then i would basically lay out a punishment for not following the rules of the house, a light one for a first offense, he would have to go over there and apologize for the pervy behavior and be honest about it, then basically promise to not do it again.
4. then i would basically work to find out why hes perving on neighbors instead of getting a gf of his own. and give him advice and recommendations, on top of a hug and maybe some encouragement.
5. and once hes worked hard to find a girlfriend on his own, welcome the new couple into the house and cook them a big dinner fit for a new prince and princess, and tell them both that if they plan on doing anything, just to keep it down best you can.
Calling wanting to look at a topless woman "pervy" is part of what's causing the sexual hangups of young people. There is pervy behavior and that was not it. It was inappropriate, yes. But it was NOT pervy.
I agree with the commenters that OP should definitely punish him. It doesn't even really has to be extreme the first time, but not doing anything? That's what bothers me about OP in the story. I really liked the idea of making the kid apologize, AND he should contact each of the other boys' parents who joined his son in watching them since there was no mention of any of them doing so.
@@AngelaVEdwards You do realize that "Perverted" is literally defined as "characterized by sexually abnormal and unacceptable practices or tendencies." meaning that doing something socially unacceptable (like leering at a topless neighbor when she thinks nobody can see her) IS perverted right?
@@DoctorOaks The kid was wrong but calling him a "perv" is overkill, and almost offensive like religious fundamentalists calling gays "sodomites". The boys need to learn to respect women's privacy but if you lower the bar enough, everyone is a perv but most have learned control it and hide it. And "socially acceptable" is a fluid and evolving concept. People who called certain people with non-majority sexual desires (statistically abnormal?) "pervs" are commonly called "homophobic" these days. A 35 year old man peaking in bedroom windows at night is definitely a perv by nearly anyone's definition. But calling boys barely north of puberty who maybe didn't grasp that backyards outside isn't public "pervs" is dramatic overkill. Common sense isn't always common and sometimes needs to be taught.
@@AngelaVEdwards technically yes it is pervy behavior. i get it that you might not consider it pervy behavior but when the majority of society think that violating someones privacy to look at their private bits is wrong, then its probably a good idea to accept it.
Story 3: File a complaint with CPS of MCFD or your local equivalent and/or call the police and report a domestic violence situation. Clearly these children are in a potentially dangerous situation and this family needs resources and help to deal with their issues badly given all the fighting and yelling. NTA!
She hit someone's dog with a shovel? oh I get it... she's suicidal
Story 1 - when shit first hit the fan, why didn't OP have cameras installed and start documenting her antics? I would've also had my property surveyed, pulled up the property deed and have everything notarized to establish their authenticity. Then I would've posted 'No Trespassing' signs along the property perimeter. Gathered my proof and then filed for a restraining order. Every encounter with her would've been on camera. Last Story - when the neighbors started their screaming matches, I'd blast them with an air horn. But when it became confrontational, calling the cops was the right thing to do. Document those encounters.
be glad shes miserable being divorced from you.
First story, I'm a farm girl at heart, even though I have never lived on a farm. Did work on one when I was a young adult. That's where I learned how to drive tractors, forklifts and a motorcycle.
My dream is to have my own small farm. But for now, I rent a field for my horses and chickens.
My dog is a bird dog. I had to work with her to get her to not chase the chickens, unless I tell her to.
Chickens are stupid. I let them out of their pen during the day, then lock them back up at night. There will be times when one can't find the door, in spite of walking past it. That's when I let her chase one. She'll run after it until I'm able to catch it, and put it where it belongs. I would be devastated if anything happened to her.
Lord willing, I'll be buying land in another (cheaper) state this year so I can have my own farm.
Story 2: are we gloss over the neighbour got his ex-wife into this? and on top she literally put medication and other things? And also the ex-wife has jack shit to said on this too. On other hand i agree OP should give a punishment and a serious talk to the son. Something who would make him understand why this is unacceptable even if he is a horny teen. THAT there is parenting. On other hand, not amount of apologize will please a psycho like that neighbor.
This is a case where everyone sucks in one way or another. AND OP's son is the least of her concerns, because if wasn't OP's son it will be someone else, filming her as well too.
AITA story - If it happened in the US, then legally there was no invasion of privacy because they weren't breaking any laws in order to be somewhere that they could view the next door neighbor. That said, he was still disrespectful to the neighbor, disrespectful to OP (for lying), and failed to put the ladder away. So, son shouldn't be allowed to have friends over for a few months, and should be required to not only help neighbor with chores (cutting the grass, cleaning her car, etc.), but he should also be made to be present when either parent are telling the neighbor embarrassing stories about him, so that he feels the same personal violation that she undoubtedly felt. By doing chores for her, he'll have a chance to get to know her some, thus realizing that she is a human being with feelings. The embarrassment will give him a taste of what he was doing to her. The lack of friends over for awhile will be the lesson for lying and not putting the ladder away.
Would be funny if he was being made to do chores for her and then she suddenly became attracted to him and started a fling with him. Be like, "Geez lady, first you complain about his spying, now you're shagging him senseless! Make up your mind already!" 🤣
Still waiting for one of these to end with "And so we pulled out OUR guns and filled them full of lead. The end."
story 2 i love that the frieind didn't go to the father before going screaming to the ex wife , that said there really inst a punishment for it that will stick the kid likelyhas access to the internet so he will just perv out on that. whats apologizing going to amount to clearly the neighbor wont be happy with just that the person wants your son medicated and in therapy. its best to go no contact with these people.
Starting to believe it's some kind of setup, not only did she go straight to the exwife she went only after the boys stopped staring at her to report it
@@willoyd614 that too , it could very well be an attempt for the mom to get custody taken from the dad , I mean if the woman was really that butthurt about it she could have gone to the police doubt it would achieve much but she could have.
Shotgun + backhoe = -Karen
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The kid spying on the neighbour is not invasion of privacy as she is outside in the yard not in a area in which you can expect privacy if a drone went over the yard it is able to record. The only place where privacy exsists is in your private home with windows blocked.
OP in the first story was WAY kinder than I would have been. I would have shot her first (maybe mon-lethally, maybe not) THEN called the cops.
In some places the landlords are fined if police have to come too many times to their property
You can have a camera recording over your fence so it’s public viewing if you have a legal right to be in the op yard, don’t walk around naked outside
depends on the type of fence, but generally no, unless the fence is significantly see through enough (ex: chain link, bar, or open slat fence). any fencing you cannot see over or through, from ground level, is generally considered a privacy fence. thus it would be an invasion of privacy to look or record over/around them to see the other side.
unless that is, you are saying it is alright for your neighbors to record through your windows, from their yards of course. your living room, kitchen, bedroom, bathroom, ect, are all viewable from public property, even though it is inside your home.
story #2.. NTA, i did it as a kid, OP probably did it to, it sounds like the wife was just looking for an excuse to get more child support.
if the mom is so concerned about punishing the son, she could have punished the son at her house when he's there.
That doesn't make it right, or do you still perv on unsuspecting women? Boys need to learn to respect women and their bodies otherwise they could turn into little rapists
Do you think this would be ok if they violated your mother by perving on her like those boys did to their neighbour? Would you be ok if it was your sister? Niece? Daughter? If it was your partner?
The boy doesn't need to be on meds, but he does need to be punished
In the second story, having the kid apologize would be good in an ideal world, but these days I'd be seriously worried about him getting arrested for that behaviour. I don't have a better idea, but getting him stuck in the juvenile criminal justice system seems like it might be overkill.
Story 2: It IS a boys will be boys situation. However, they could have gotten in serious trouble if neighbor reported to cops about it. OP needs to sit his son down and explain why it is not ok behavior and personally apologize to the neighbor. Also, OP needs to ALWAYS record interactions with the EX so her threats are rendered useless. He can also show the recording to his son (she wanted to hospitalize and medicate her son just to cause drama for OP)
She would have no case if she went to the cops the kids are on their own property playing on the roof if anything it could be seen as an adult flashing a minor she went basically a whole week without reporting it
Mess around with farmers and find yourself buried out in the back 40
Where is this supposed "farmer"?
That many farmers just being push overs in US is BS.
Is that any worse than the pron the school giving kids excess to, in the library? As far as I know, it is still illegal to be a peaking tom. The parent could also be charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
NTA! I am a 68 year old woman with old fashioned values. Exwife and neighbor are being WAY over the top nuts! I suspect neighbor knew the boys were there (on their own property), and was enjoying some exhibitionism. We don't know how much conversation there was by the Dad when he talked to the boys. It may have been and SHOULD have been a VERY stern talking to including why this behavior is wrong! I don't think any more punishment needs to happen, except maybe an apology letter from each boy along with a gift basket of fruit or cheese or whatever, paid for by 3 boys allowances. Don't go overboard and scar the children instead of educating them. Most of these comments are crazy. These boys are just at the age of learning about sexuality. This is part of that education...learning what is and is not appropriate. I would love for a child psychologist to add their 2 cents.
Karens house would mysteriously burn down
To be honest this woman really needed to stop her drug problem and get help for that and not trying to basically con a farmer out of his property. which was never going to work and she clearly wasn't the brightest person in her family. you don't come up to a guy's door and show the gun where he can see it before he even gets to the door. and I am really glad that in the end she got what she deserved after all the s*** she had pulled. and to be honest I am also Furious that she didn't get any repercussions from hitting a dog with a shovel! and what was she expecting to do with a shovel on his property on her own? was she really thinking she could just dig in a hole and suddenly a five-star hotel with as everything over the installed would pop out of the ground? plus she would technically need permits to build a hotel and that's gonna take a couple of months more than enough time for somebody to prove the legality of the project. also never do illegal stuff and make enemies with basically your entire neighborhood. I'm surprised she didn't get shot at one point.
Story 2: ESH. Except the girl. The son should not have been spying on the girl and should be punished. Boys will be boys is no excuse. But what the neighbour wanted was overboard too. If the son was older the law would have been involved. Also, if this behaviour goes unchecked it tends to escalate with time. So punishment is necessary to prevent worse things in the future. Something like an essay on privacy rights or the harm caused to the victim by this kind of violation would serve a useful purpose. And, of course, an apology to the girl. But going overboard like the neighbour wanted will do more harm than good.
S2. Nta. The neighbor should have said something to dad immediately rather than playing the telephone game with someone who doesn't even live there.
Last story: .By "unwanted attention" the landlord may simply have not wanted the property to get a bad reputation.
In 2014 bedbugs were epidemic locally after the province banned some pesticides. My 4-plex was one victim. Everyone had to toss our furniture and almost everything we owned. When the furniture was on the side of the road waiting for disposal by the city, I was worried that an innocent scavenger would take it home and end up with bedbugs so I wrote hand written signs warning people of the bedbugs and put them on the furniture. I was promptly told to remove them because the landlord didn't want anyone knowing about the bedbugs because he didn't want to get a bad reputation. I said why I wanted the signs there. We ended up compromising and the signs I was allowed to put up simply said that the furniture was unsafe
I wouldnt a punish the kid at this stage id explain how it's wrong, to respect people's privacy, not to do it again and have him apologize to the person. If he did it again after that then they get punished
I agree..however the boys will be boys is true..as is girls will be girls. Puberty.. lots of things that kids don't know how to deal with and tend to very much have a pack mentality.
It's not an excuse or acceptance but a reason, and it needs to be dealt with
having to face the person and apologize for that is punishment in itself, not physical (unless she slaps him) but phycological. but yes, maybe take the ladder down while hes up there, and let him sit up there for a few hours(hopefully in the rain), to get the message across.
@@PartytimeYOLO I don't think leaving a kid stranded on the roof for hours is a good idea, he would probably try and get down himself and end up badly hurting himself, and I'm not 100% sure on this but I feel like op could get in BIG trouble for purposely leaving his 14 year old son on the roof with no way down, especially if the son hurts himself trying to get down
Didn't They say son was 14? Unless he's severly mentally handicap, he knows it's wrong. He needs some kind of punishment.
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Story #1: Looks like rich Karen is not familiar with one of The Facts of r/EntitledPeople: "NEVER MESS WITH A FARMER."
Glad Karen went to jail for drugs and other stuff
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14 looking at the neighbor topless isn't normal?
So... This farmer guy has lots of land, a shovel right there, and plenty of motivation after his dog was attacked and he couldn't make his problem go away? His unwillingness to go "hands on" to defend himself or just bodily remove her from his property seems like this story was fabrication. That writer is a Karma Farmer, with upvotes being his only crop. Farmers will ALWAYS get physical to address a threat, and they're usually a lot stronger than their "city folk" neighbors causing the problems.
Unwanted attention may be that if the cops get called three time on a tenant they get $200.00 fine, the fourth call $400.00 the fifth complaint $800.00, the sixth time $1,000.00 fine. The owner gets the fine.
Wth karen 💢
I can buy the boys will be boys thing. At that age, I would probably have done the same thing if I had the opportunity. But, I still believe that the boys should have been punished. They were old enough to know what they were doing was wrong.
and the neighbor knew they were looking, yet still went outside naked. there is fault on everyone in that story. the dad didnt punish him, the mom is just trying to stir up trouble, and besides my first point the neighbor dosent get to decide the punishment, and should have went to the dad directly.
The Karen in the first story would have been dead way before she threatened him with a gun to force him to sign over his land. Anyone catching her stealing stuff from their property at night might be inclined to use Mr. Smith and Wesson or Mr. Armalite instead of calling the police. And all bets would be off if she came to my front door brandishing a gun and threatening me while I had a shotgun. OP had every right to put that shotgun to use in self defense and that would have taken care of their Karen problem once and for all.
Sorry, I'm gonna' have to go against the grain for the second-to-last story, and say: NTA. Just because he didn't make it blatantly obvious that he had a sit-down talk with his son about boundaries and respecting privacy and so on, doesn't mean that talk didn't happen. You have to piece it together from the context of a few minor comments he made, but the story *blatantly reveals* that that talk *absolutely did* happen. Giving the kid any kind of actual punishment without first giving him such a sit-down talk is inappropriate, because teenaged boys are young, hormonal, and stupid. Something like this happening is inevitable, and while yes, it's not something that should be allowed to slide, giving them a genuine punishment without first attempting to scare them straight with a serious talking to, is just not the correct course of action. Only if they *do it again* after you've had that talk, does it become appropriate to start disciplining them.
In the first story, the main character should’ve took the shovel out of Karen’s hands and broke her knee caps with it so she couldn’t flee so the police could’ve gotten her because I swear to God if I was in his position that is exactly what I would have done to prevent her from fleeing and to pay her back for hurting my dog
Handgun versus shotgun? Omg shotgun wins
If it was my land and I had a farm, I would have fetter to my pigs!
bruh, in the 70s looking at topless women was a perfectly normal pastime for teenage boys. this generation is so sensitive, we've lost what it means to be men, and women have lost what it means to be women, everyone is just acting like robots with no passion. if the internet wasn't so great I'd almost want us to lose all our advanced technology that has enabled this sort of thing.