I love this. Mini pc with oculink port. If we ain’t have enough money, we can buy and build this first, then we can get egpu later. With oculink, this is powerful and fast which is better than USB4
So glad you were able to get your hands on this PC. I was very skeptical in the adverts of this regarding the FOUR PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots mainly because their BD790i model only has two which was a big let down for me. Thank you for reviewing this.
I can tell you that what you said and what ETAPrime says contradicts the literature for the PC. It has different PCI speeds based on CPU, and one of them is EITHER PCI Gen3 or not available
Maybe this is what people want but the reason the MS01 was popular was due to pcie slot and 10Gb sfp+ ports built in for a mini server. And with an Intel 12600H it's only $419.
With the addition of the occulink port I think this is probably meant for gamers who already have egpu's. People running home lab setups could stick with the ms-01.
I can tell you right now that given the instability issues with the MS-01 I bought this to be a direct replacement. Given how hard it was to get support to talk to me and the weekly crashes in proxmox I am having, gladly trade those features for stability
@@Bermwolf had no issues with the one with 12th gen intel chips. Your problem is likely due to the recently reported 100% failure rate attributed to 13th and 14th gen chips. In your position it would be reasonable to switch. I think I was lucky i wanted to save a couple of bucks and got the 12th gen ones.
@@EAL007 that's very interesting. Mine is a 12900 but maybe twice a month I get a hard crash in proxmox. I use netdata but have had little success tracking down the cause of the crashes
@@mquinnusa Two: 1) AR900i + 4060Ti in an A24v5 for gaming and taking it for LAN parties with friends. 2) X7 Ti: for Zoom, Webcam, Streaming, Photo/Video editing
so everything i liked in the ms-O1 has been removed there is no 10Gbit (calling it a workstation..) and also no pcie (altho oculink can be used for that kinda)
Just got the FEVM FA880 barebone with the ryzen 8845hs for around 358 usd. It has a oculink port without compromising the pcie 4.0 slot and a type c at the front as well. The fan speed, watts, and temp can be controlled from a software instead of going to to bios everytime. And can run at a max 100w while the idle power consumption is 4.7w. I think this is the best mini pc to date.
I think the main benefit is that its AM5. Which definitely worth to invest in long term since AMD said this would last at least 2027 . By worst case the price drop wont be as much as other mini-pc with mobile Cpu since user can change the CPU
I have the MS01 and its been great. Looked at this the other day. Better CPU performance for less, looks like a good Hypervisor micro server. Just sucks that they didn't give it a PCIe slot for expansion and only 2.5gb Ethernet. I run 10gb as a standard, so maybe another MS01 for my needs is better.
If they make more True TinyPC with better graphic card like 7000xt/4000s series, it would give us more benefit. But OMFG, who're fanboy enough to get this ugly sffpc. I knew ppl from this niche will laugh so hard on this cringe product
this is for those who prefer a slim design. you can't make a SFF build that small. Unless you 3d print your own case... I am myself working on a case that would make such builds possible. Just need the money to fund the product making once the prototype is completed (hope the community will approve lol)
I don’t know how anyone else feels about this. But I feel the whole point of an igpu is to not ever have the need for a dedicated gpu. I think external gpu takes away that portability. If I wanted a dedicated gpu I just build a regular pc.
Hi, just a usecase i use myself: I work on my pc at the office in our home, my eGPU ist at the tv in the living room. All cables are there ready in the two rooms to dock. So after work, i take my mini pc and plugin at the tv. Takes 30 sec. This saves me a whole new gaming pc at the tv (steam user).
It's to flex on computer geek acquaintances. My personal $$$ limit for this kind of thing would be maybe 500 bucks and that would be really pushing it. I understand that it is "Cool" but not 700 bucks cool. Probably not 500 bucks cool.
I just got the ms-a1 up running with 7900x3d and oculink and 96gb 5600mhz kit but runs at 5200mhz and 120w power draw running great no problems very pleased with the build great product so yes you can run a 7900x 0r 8000 series with it. i have a video up now to show off and some cooling numbers now time to game on!!!!!
Thats good to know that it works with 7900x3d so it's safe to assume it will run 7800x3D as well . How are the thermals ? Are you using any eGPU ? Mine is on its way and will take about a month to reach .
How noisy is this chassis? Heard the previous MS-01 was basically an airplay engine when it was on, not even on a full load. If it's utilising the same fans from the MS-01, it might be very noisy to run with I assume. Definitely a point of consideration upon making purchase decision imho.
So, even these very powerful mini PCs can game in the same league with a PS4 PRO or XBOX ONE X. That is 8 years old console tech. It looks like they are great for home PCs but for actual gaming, consoles and powerful PCs are much better.
For Home PCs and gaming is an afterthought, I buy a N97 or N100. A human can't out type a PC. Even 20-30 years ago you couldn't. You might get a couple of dropped frames in a 4K video at the beginning with NXX unit. What Mad Skills do you need at home that your excel spreadsheets have 65,000 rows? Regardless of how the online reviewers portray it, not every member of the human race is doing photoshop editing or making UA-cam videos. Nor do most people need super duper transcoding. These dinky and basic PCs outperform mainline work PCs of just a few years ago.
Hey, ETA PRIME love your videos! Ur one of the reason I bought an ROG Ally and it was definitely worth it. Can you do a comparison video of the differences in the rog ally with xg mobile ans rog ally x with a normal external GPU setup?
Comparing an MS-A1 to an X600 Deskmeet with the same HW config would be interesting to me. My 14900k is driving me nuts, and I'm considering an 8700G as a secondary PC until it all finally gets sorted out.
@@WilReid yeah but the X600 can’t support Oculink. I’m thinking of pairing this with the eGPU so I can use it at home and have the option to run some games or I can unplug it from the oculink and then throw it in a bag and take it to work or wherever for workstation tasks/light gaming
@@habs798693 it has Radeon graphics which isn't the same. But I am planning to use mine as a hypervisor server. The only hardcore GPU load I have is on a dedicated Intel 11000t igpu
All Ryzen CPUs come with RDNA 2.0 so you can still do basic stuff like streaming Netflix, web browsing and email checking. You would have to use a eGPU all the time for gaming but I would love to see the see the geek bench specs on it.
Mine's on its way. Putting in 48GB of (24GB x 2, dual channel) RAM and a 4TB SSD. Mid-August I'll be ordering a Ryzen 9 9900X and seeing how that does. The new iGPU will be more powerful than my Radeon Pro 5500 XT 8GB, so I'm looking forward to it. Bazzite will be what I use.
In the ms-01 model I was disappointed with the poorly thought-out cooling system, the processor was cooled well, but the SSD drives were a problem, now I see in the a1 the shortcoming was corrected, but a more powerful CPU was installed and the cooling is clearly not enough, the lower SSDs will also be poorly cooled (( in the ms-01, even in a small space, but still PSI, different versions of m2, U2 have height restrictions ((
ETA Prime, anyway you can test to see if the 7800x3D or 7900 chips are supported? Supposedly they are but nobody seems to have this model yet, Minisforum hasn't answered my questions either. Its the only thing holding me back from buying this.
I would think the 65w 7900 non X would work if you running a eGPU constantly but even without it you can technically still stream or do basic stuff with the RDNA 2.0 that's built into CPU. Don't know if you can run the 7800x3D at 65w using the minisforum bios.
It would be nice to test the editing capabilities of these mini pc's too....for viewers like me who want a small form factor pc for remote work and editing.
I'm little bit tired of those "tests" with fsr/dlss. They are not representative, moreover they are not showing the real performance, they are relies on software implementation which might change. I kinda get it, you need to show "good" side of this product, but there is should be at least tests with raw performance. otherwise it's just propaganda
@@stewiebrown1520 the tests with fsr and dlss show real world performance... What you're suggesting would gimp results unnecessarily. Any version changes of FSR have just made it better. Your complaint doesn't make sense for benchmarking modern computer performance in games.
agreed.... IMO higher frame rate 1080 with FSR frame gen is not appealing compared to 1440 60 FPS lock no input lag.. upscale is fine but a focus on native gaming and a mix of upscale with a little frame gen sprinkle would be better video rather than click farm / sponsor shill. I'd buy this PC for the living room for a media and mid gaming / game stream endpoint from main rig and opt for the best internal GPU I could squeeze in even if it meant cutting a hole in the case to fit a 2 slot.
With the current cpu options, is this really better for gaming than a mini with one of the 780M GPUs? Instead, with 4 nvme slots and two ethernet jacks, I see this as a good home server option. Get the barebones and an 8500G and you’ve got a great platform.
Can you use the ROG Ally X by using an EGPU with VR headset plugged in because I want to know what kind of possibility can you use as your own portable ability with VR connected to a handheld with external graphic card because a lot of people might be interested because I wanna know because I could test my own way, but I wanna know if you because you’re the only person you can test it
if i see the DC 19v round shape connector charger - the whole unit already old design and outdated. doesnt matter the capabilities. because modern items all already come out with USBC 4.0\T4 240w compatible
can you try with linux I think it would be great for gaming. I am looking for a mini PC as a first PC to start gaming and maybe steaming. All I have right now is my steam deck and I am just looking to something to go along side it and be great by its self and I think this would be good start.
Hi, could you do a test with this mini pc and another mini pc featuring the 7945hx cpu paired with an RTX 4090 to see the results? I always wondered how would an RTX 4090 with oculink performance loss would be when tested on the most powerful mini pc CPUs. Thanks in advance
It's probably caped for only 65W TDP AM5 processors. So, no 7800X3D won't work, as it's 120W. But you can instead go with the non-X variants like 7600, 7700 & 7900, and run an oculink gpu. And if MinisForums provides BIOS update, then maybe even upcoming 9600X & 9700X (both have 65W TDP).
Anyone know if the USB4 port will support Thunderbolt 3 devices? Seems like the USB4 spec allows for Thunderbolt support, but depends on whether or not the manufacturer actually implements it?
There are already several videos from China (in full chinese ofc) that state this can take 1ccd CPU's up to 65W or Dual CCD CPU's up to 100w. Can you confirm this??? This would be a monster with a 7950x @ 100w or a 9950x @ 100w (with some bios update). For the GPU side, (if you need something more powerfull than the AMD 610m the desktop cpus bring) do not forget this has both Occulink and USB 4.... Their own oculink dock is pretty cheap @ 90€... just throw in some old gpu in and voila, you have a MONSTER 16 core 32 Threads gaming machine
Do you know of a good looking, compact and affordable Oculink dock suitable for the A2000 Low Profile. The One Dock V2 and the Ogre250 look great but they are small production and very high price.
In theory it should be able to run a 7950x but the power supply and the motherboard VRM is something that may overheat if the CPU power go beyond 100W. And there is also the possibility of some UEFI locks imposed my minisforum.
@@RipHunter-l7x So with Oculink, the external gpu is effectively detected as native PCIE at system boot? Mainly concerned about stability/compatibility with Linux. Oculink is completely foreign to me.
To be honest I kinda disappointed with MS-A1 compared with MS-01 I/O which have HHHL X8 PCIe slot and dual 10G SFP+. In my opinion I know OcuLink might have more flexibility with more expansion device but it will add more space for a product people will get for maximized their limited space.
I was a little bit interested in this until I found out it doesn't have any other way to connect a GPU then that Oculink. Absolutely wasted potential. You would think that because the Intel variant had PCIe and was released way before this that this one too would have a PCIe slot but nope. AMD got cucked once again... Can you imagine if you could have put 7800X3D + RTX A2000 / RTX 4060 in this? And what the hell is that RAM speed support??? 5200MT/s. With 8700G? With this price tag? What a bad product. What were they thinking with this one? Anyone who is interested in this should check out ASrock Deskmini X600 before they buy this. That one is way cheaper, supports 6400MT/s RAM and is arguably from a more reputable company.
@@TerranigmaQuintet Well that's debatable. The 7800X3D can MAYBE work. Is there a hard limit on CPU power consumption? Or is there an actual BIOS lock preventing it from working at all? Because if it's just a power consumption limit then just undervolt, underclock etc. and it should be fine. The ASrock Desmini X600 is also said to only support 65W TDP CPUs but the 7800X3D works on that board.
@@Jantcha Exactly, Most people seem to be unaware (either deliberately in bad faith or involuntarily) that all AMD "desktop" CPUs can operate in "65W ECO-Mode" even the Ryzen 9 7950X and 7950X3D.
@@hydraxxorion538 The reason is the fallacious argument of appeal to authority for believing that TDP nonsense and the reality is that for as long the CPU VRM on the motherboard won't overheat and the PSU can handle the power you can give that AM5 socket as many watts as you like.
@@TerranigmaQuintet No,the motherboard can handle 100W easily and probably 120w but at that point the temperature of the VRM MOSFETs needs to be carefully monitored.Most devices can handle way more power than advertised and all the power limits are very conservative because the manufacturer don't know in what environment you are going to use it so they don't want the users on a very hot climate to have issues that can cause to many RMA request.
I don't know if anyone is like me about this, but my lord man. This PC is rounding out at about $1000. I started doing PC gaming with a steam deck and can't believe you can go get a game console (PS5 or Series x) that has no problem running modern games for less than half of the price. PC gaming will never be widely adopted with the pricing structure for performance. My opinion.
I would think because they are not 65w CPUs and Minisforum has its own bios so you probably can't change the wattage to 65w like in the Windows bios unless there is some third party software to do it
@@heirtothethrone000 true but minusforum talks about adding 7900x or 7950x im adding 7900x3d in mine once my ram shows up tomorrow and see how it runs with egpu 4090 cant wait if all works.
@@NitekTechhey I am curious to know how it performs with that CPU. My device is on its way and will take a month to get to me . I am in splits about which CPU to use . Would be great if you could comment back on your set up
@@anks0203 the unit max is 100w to any of the 7000 series chips I contacted minis forum I set the. Power to auto in the bios which is delete key to get into it and set up other ways 75w max and auto they both run at 66watts I have for higher than that so I contacted them about. It runs fine but it should be a 100w I monitor the temps and everything fine so I guess that the way it is
@RelentlessOhiox Every product is not for everyone. All mini pcs are limited and people know that but still seem to want so much more. It's not a stupid build It's just not for you.✌️💯✌️
does anyone know if i use a ryzen 7600x or 7700x with this ? an could i get 144 to 165hz refresh rate vi the display port on Ubuntu 24.04 lts ? also , unless im missing something that this unit take desktop cpu's does the mean the cpu mounting might allow a cpu cooling fan like Thermalright AXP120-X67 59 CFM CPU Cooler instead of the default or a arctic freezer III to that mobo , im ok with having a open case like that in my rack iv got a custom rack shelf that mounts a twin 5.25in bay an rad for an old open frame build that i once had , that was to big but if i could use this with my 280mm aio an burner an 5.25in bay raid adapter that would be great as id get far better horse power in a smaller footprint then my current setup.
That's a bummer that this is NOTHING like the Intel version. It lacks the dual 10 GbE SFP+ ports and it also doesn't have the PCIe slot open and available as well. What a shame. If this had the same feature set as the MS-01, but just using the AMD processor as the base rather than the Intel, then it would've been a compelling product, but absent of those features, and I don't want to deal with the P-core/E-core business of Intel CPUs (and I think that it is not a smart purchasing decision to buy a CPU, and then castrate its performance by shutting off the E-cores) = still no buy from me (yet). 'Tis a pity.
They got rid of the internal pci slot? And the high speed ports? Fucking ruined. I wonder if Intell paid minis forum to nurf the amd version? It wouldn’t be the first time they pulled some shit like that
+1 for the linux-based video on the same hw combo (same mini pc + same eGPU via oculink). 🙏🏻
Getting rid of the sfp+ ports kind of kills this version for a lot of homelabbers, that's what made the MS-01 unique.
yeah, it would be ideal to have MS-01 with AM5 socket for this 7900 CPU. 16c/32t would be amazing for homelab
Its REALLY disappointing! I like ALL their ideas that they are making into Intel machines! Give me that front touch screen like on the X7 Ti!
That is why they have both the MS-01 and now the MS-A1.
@@Liviticus Yeah but without the SFP+ ports it's a bust for a lot of people.
I love this. Mini pc with oculink port. If we ain’t have enough money, we can buy and build this first, then we can get egpu later. With oculink, this is powerful and fast which is better than USB4
So glad you were able to get your hands on this PC. I was very skeptical in the adverts of this regarding the FOUR PCIe 4.0 M.2 slots mainly because their BD790i model only has two which was a big let down for me. Thank you for reviewing this.
I can tell you that what you said and what ETAPrime says contradicts the literature for the PC. It has different PCI speeds based on CPU, and one of them is EITHER PCI Gen3 or not available
You use the one on the back with Han cooler for your main m.2 the others are storage either way but there is 4 either way
Maybe this is what people want but the reason the MS01 was popular was due to pcie slot and 10Gb sfp+ ports built in for a mini server. And with an Intel 12600H it's only $419.
With the addition of the occulink port I think this is probably meant for gamers who already have egpu's. People running home lab setups could stick with the ms-01.
I can tell you right now that given the instability issues with the MS-01 I bought this to be a direct replacement. Given how hard it was to get support to talk to me and the weekly crashes in proxmox I am having, gladly trade those features for stability
@@Bermwolf had no issues with the one with 12th gen intel chips. Your problem is likely due to the recently reported 100% failure rate attributed to 13th and 14th gen chips. In your position it would be reasonable to switch. I think I was lucky i wanted to save a couple of bucks and got the 12th gen ones.
@@EAL007 that's very interesting. Mine is a 12900 but maybe twice a month I get a hard crash in proxmox. I use netdata but have had little success tracking down the cause of the crashes
@@EAL007 If this supports AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D, then this could be a NICE gamer considering thats the hottest gaming CPU in terms of sales.
This is mental who’s buying this. The MS-01 made it’s name for the built in PCIe slot along for other stuff and yet it was cheaper
@@andresvaldevit3692 it’s as expensive as you want it to be, if you put in a ryzen 5 32gb ram and 512gb ssd its under 500
you handle every subject with such expertise and charisma!
Great video, ETA 👍
Nice platform. Not sure it makes sense for us without a PCIe slot.
Kindest regards, neighbours and friends.
The m.2 ports on this motherboard, they are not all 4x speed. Via the specs m.2 3.0 4x m.2 4.0 1x m.2 4.0 4x m.2 4.0 4x. Thanks for the review 😃
How many minisforum pc's should one person own. Asking for a friend.🙃
@@mquinnusa About a dollar fifty
@@mquinnusa
Two:
1) AR900i + 4060Ti in an A24v5 for gaming and taking it for LAN parties with friends.
2) X7 Ti: for Zoom, Webcam, Streaming, Photo/Video editing
Yes
so everything i liked in the ms-O1 has been removed
there is no 10Gbit (calling it a workstation..) and also no pcie (altho oculink can be used for that kinda)
What's the total system power draw (at the wall) with an 8700G?
ETA PRIME should change name to GIGA PRICE, or just Minis Forum Official Channel.
i would really like to see more linux videos on these nifty little machines
Just got the FEVM FA880 barebone with the ryzen 8845hs for around 358 usd. It has a oculink port without compromising the pcie 4.0 slot and a type c at the front as well. The fan speed, watts, and temp can be controlled from a software instead of going to to bios everytime. And can run at a max 100w while the idle power consumption is 4.7w.
I think this is the best mini pc to date.
I think the main benefit is that its AM5. Which definitely worth to invest in long term since AMD said this would last at least 2027 . By worst case the price drop wont be as much as other mini-pc with mobile Cpu since user can change the CPU
Interested in linux setup, how good support is. Also - can we use wifi as access point? Can we make a wifi router with this?
An interesting use case for this would be to have a fanny pack with this and maybe batteries in it , paired with AR glasses and a blutooth controller
+1 for Linux. Tks for your videos. Awesome work!
Only if this could fit the low profile 4060, it would be an instant buy for me. And a 10 gigabit ethernet port would be a cherry on top.
I have the MS01 and its been great. Looked at this the other day.
Better CPU performance for less, looks like a good Hypervisor micro server.
Just sucks that they didn't give it a PCIe slot for expansion and only 2.5gb Ethernet.
I run 10gb as a standard, so maybe another MS01 for my needs is better.
4x nvme slots! 😍
i love that thing
could you do a more in-depth review of the bios an all its setting options, for me thats big to buying.
This is $909 normally lol you might as well make a 4060 ti 3 liter PC
"Such a deal!!!!!!" First thing I do is hit the link like you did. Rarely am I shocked that the price is reasonable.
@@dlewis9760 eta prime alt acc lmao
Right. This. These mini PC's are a very specific buy. Makes zero sense to put one of these in your home.
If they make more True TinyPC with better graphic card like 7000xt/4000s series, it would give us more benefit. But OMFG, who're fanboy enough to get this ugly sffpc. I knew ppl from this niche will laugh so hard on this cringe product
this is for those who prefer a slim design. you can't make a SFF build that small. Unless you 3d print your own case... I am myself working on a case that would make such builds possible. Just need the money to fund the product making once the prototype is completed (hope the community will approve lol)
I don’t know how anyone else feels about this. But I feel the whole point of an igpu is to not ever have the need for a dedicated gpu. I think external gpu takes away that portability. If I wanted a dedicated gpu I just build a regular pc.
Hi, just a usecase i use myself:
I work on my pc at the office in our home, my eGPU ist at the tv in the living room. All cables are there ready in the two rooms to dock.
So after work, i take my mini pc and plugin at the tv. Takes 30 sec. This saves me a whole new gaming pc at the tv (steam user).
@@mitbedacht1285 exactly this for me. iGPU for basic office productivity, then moving to a consolized living room set up for gaming. Very nice
Thank you for the video. Can you overclock the memory? Or is it locked to 5200 max?
$700 without a dedicated GPU who's buying this?
It's to flex on computer geek acquaintances. My personal $$$ limit for this kind of thing would be maybe 500 bucks and that would be really pushing it. I understand that it is "Cool" but not 700 bucks cool. Probably not 500 bucks cool.
You can buy barebone. It will be cheap. You can get a lower APU. It will support all AM5 cpu, remember that.
8700G is around $300 of that, just FYI
Really steep but it’s a desktop cpu so the cost shows.
Low power server running a hypervisor is perfect
Proxmox VE would be wonderful to watch! :) thanks!
it perfect in everyway am5 and oculink been waiting for some one to make this setup cant wait to try it .thank you minisforum for this one!!!!!!!
I like. A bit more expensive than the Asrock Deskmeet, however this one already has Oculink
+1 Been waiting for this review
you already know we wanna see that linux gaming support!
I just got the ms-a1 up running with 7900x3d and oculink and 96gb 5600mhz kit but runs at 5200mhz and 120w power draw running great no problems very pleased with the build great product so yes you can run a 7900x 0r 8000 series with it. i have a video up now to show off and some cooling numbers now time to game on!!!!!
@@NitekTech you should post the build! Very interested 👍🏼
You were able to get ram speeds higher than 5200mhz?
@@hydrosmusic no it runs at 5200mhz but it is 5600mhz sodimm
@@calebintal806 it runs at about 167 degree and 97 degree at idle. so far it staying cool
Thats good to know that it works with 7900x3d so it's safe to assume it will run 7800x3D as well . How are the thermals ? Are you using any eGPU ? Mine is on its way and will take about a month to reach .
Minisforum quicker than The Flash to release products !
How do you rate the new cooler? I found the one on MS-01 (intel ) really bad to be honest.
It work’s good keep the temp within limits never overheated 4 pipes 50w =200w cooling fan quiet
How noisy is this chassis? Heard the previous MS-01 was basically an airplay engine when it was on, not even on a full load.
If it's utilising the same fans from the MS-01, it might be very noisy to run with I assume. Definitely a point of consideration upon making purchase decision imho.
same here, its loud af
Costa Rica 4K is one of the most demanding videos on UA-cam
So, even these very powerful mini PCs can game in the same league with a PS4 PRO or XBOX ONE X. That is 8 years old console tech.
It looks like they are great for home PCs but for actual gaming, consoles and powerful PCs are much better.
For Home PCs and gaming is an afterthought, I buy a N97 or N100. A human can't out type a PC. Even 20-30 years ago you couldn't. You might get a couple of dropped frames in a 4K video at the beginning with NXX unit. What Mad Skills do you need at home that your excel spreadsheets have 65,000 rows? Regardless of how the online reviewers portray it, not every member of the human race is doing photoshop editing or making UA-cam videos. Nor do most people need super duper transcoding. These dinky and basic PCs outperform mainline work PCs of just a few years ago.
I have a 4k gamer pro and mClassic combo. If I use it with this eGPU, could I play at 4K with the same settings you're using on 1080p?
Is the motherboard Mini-ITX form factor? Because it sure seems like it is judging from the PC's dimensions.
Hey, ETA PRIME love your videos! Ur one of the reason I bought an ROG Ally and it was definitely worth it. Can you do a comparison video of the differences in the rog ally with xg mobile ans rog ally x with a normal external GPU setup?
Comparing an MS-A1 to an X600 Deskmeet with the same HW config would be interesting to me. My 14900k is driving me nuts, and I'm considering an 8700G as a secondary PC until it all finally gets sorted out.
@@WilReid yeah but the X600 can’t support Oculink. I’m thinking of pairing this with the eGPU so I can use it at home and have the option to run some games or I can unplug it from the oculink and then throw it in a bag and take it to work or wherever for workstation tasks/light gaming
The Ryzen 9 7900 has a TDP of 65W. Could I install that chip in the M1-A1 and does it have the same graphics capabilities of the 8700G?
This is currently what i have ordered for mine
@@Bermwolf Does the R9 7900 have the same Radeon 780m graphics? Are you planning on running an external GPU?
@@habs798693 it has Radeon graphics which isn't the same. But I am planning to use mine as a hypervisor server. The only hardcore GPU load I have is on a dedicated Intel 11000t igpu
All Ryzen CPUs come with RDNA 2.0 so you can still do basic stuff like streaming Netflix, web browsing and email checking. You would have to use a eGPU all the time for gaming but I would love to see the see the geek bench specs on it.
Mine's on its way. Putting in 48GB of (24GB x 2, dual channel) RAM and a 4TB SSD. Mid-August I'll be ordering a Ryzen 9 9900X and seeing how that does. The new iGPU will be more powerful than my Radeon Pro 5500 XT 8GB, so I'm looking forward to it. Bazzite will be what I use.
48GB is overpriced - you can get 64GB (2x32GB) for practically the same price.
@@absurdalny Not in Canada.
Is it compatible with the new 9000 series ?
@@anks0203 It is (though only up to 9700X due to power usage). I ended up using an 8700G for the iGPU.
@@vidagogo9829oh cool...Thanks for replying ... Are using eGPU or making do with the iGPU?
Unfortunately, there is no shipping to my country...
In the ms-01 model I was disappointed with the poorly thought-out cooling system, the processor was cooled well, but the SSD drives were a problem, now I see in the a1 the shortcoming was corrected, but a more powerful CPU was installed and the cooling is clearly not enough, the lower SSDs will also be poorly cooled ((
in the ms-01, even in a small space, but still PSI, different versions of m2, U2 have height restrictions ((
Please test without frame generation - benchmarking without it allows us to know the base performance
ETA Prime, anyway you can test to see if the 7800x3D or 7900 chips are supported? Supposedly they are but nobody seems to have this model yet, Minisforum hasn't answered my questions either. Its the only thing holding me back from buying this.
I would think the 65w 7900 non X would work if you running a eGPU constantly but even without it you can technically still stream or do basic stuff with the RDNA 2.0 that's built into CPU. Don't know if you can run the 7800x3D at 65w using the minisforum bios.
It would be nice to test the editing capabilities of these mini pc's too....for viewers like me who want a small form factor pc for remote work and editing.
should be good i dont see why not. is 8 cores 16 thread which is a lot.
I'm little bit tired of those "tests" with fsr/dlss. They are not representative, moreover they are not showing the real performance, they are relies on software implementation which might change. I kinda get it, you need to show "good" side of this product, but there is should be at least tests with raw performance. otherwise it's just propaganda
@@stewiebrown1520 the tests with fsr and dlss show real world performance... What you're suggesting would gimp results unnecessarily. Any version changes of FSR have just made it better. Your complaint doesn't make sense for benchmarking modern computer performance in games.
agreed.... IMO higher frame rate 1080 with FSR frame gen is not appealing compared to 1440 60 FPS lock no input lag.. upscale is fine but a focus on native gaming and a mix of upscale with a little frame gen sprinkle would be better video rather than click farm / sponsor shill. I'd buy this PC for the living room for a media and mid gaming / game stream endpoint from main rig and opt for the best internal GPU I could squeeze in even if it meant cutting a hole in the case to fit a 2 slot.
With the current cpu options, is this really better for gaming than a mini with one of the 780M GPUs? Instead, with 4 nvme slots and two ethernet jacks, I see this as a good home server option. Get the barebones and an 8500G and you’ve got a great platform.
"Great platform" But very unreliable.
@@MrPrometheusUK Why do you say that?
the lack of sfp+ is really a deal breaker for me.
how's the fan noise and temperature on these?
Is the oculink port on the CPU lanes or chipset lanes?
Can you use the ROG Ally X by using an EGPU with VR headset plugged in because I want to know what kind of possibility can you use as your own portable ability with VR connected to a handheld with external graphic card because a lot of people might be interested because I wanna know because I could test my own way, but I wanna know if you because you’re the only person you can test it
What is the best mini pc atm?
if i see the DC 19v round shape connector charger - the whole unit already old design and outdated. doesnt matter the capabilities. because modern items all already come out with USBC 4.0\T4 240w compatible
I just got the ASRock DeskMini X600.... does what i need
Does it support Epyc 4004 chips and/or ECC?
Can you put the numbers up for the Ally X and onexgpu?
I am curious if a gpu attached via occulink will work under linux.
I liek the desktop cpu in mini pcs also apprciate a dedicated nvidia or amd gpu chip with that size.
Would love to see how it handles fedora
This is AM5, will it support AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D?
no
Yes it does lmao
can you try with linux I think it would be great for gaming. I am looking for a mini PC as a first PC to start gaming and maybe steaming. All I have right now is my steam deck and I am just looking to something to go along side it and be great by its self and I think this would be good start.
Hi, could you do a test with this mini pc and another mini pc featuring the 7945hx cpu paired with an RTX 4090 to see the results? I always wondered how would an RTX 4090 with oculink performance loss would be when tested on the most powerful mini pc CPUs. Thanks in advance
Really anything over like a 4070 would be a complete waste as an eGPU atm
@@notbrokebrolt6281you would be surprised. A 4090 RTX with oculink would before about only a 10% less than in a full pci express x16 slot
@@notbrokebrolt6281 The mad scientist electronics hacker ascetic for some. Like a watch the size of a hockey puck on your wrist.
780M is king with 720P resolutions. It's all I use.
Yes! Please make a linux video on this! Such a good spec hardware to waste running windows...
could you drop an 7800x3d, and always use the oculink gpu attached for display?
It's probably caped for only 65W TDP AM5 processors. So, no 7800X3D won't work, as it's 120W.
But you can instead go with the non-X variants like 7600, 7700 & 7900, and run an oculink gpu.
And if MinisForums provides BIOS update, then maybe even upcoming 9600X & 9700X (both have 65W TDP).
The 7700 non X would work or the 7900 but unless you are gonna use the eGPU for more than gaming, I would just stick with what's in it
Why is the RAM speed gimped ?
Anyone know if the USB4 port will support Thunderbolt 3 devices? Seems like the USB4 spec allows for Thunderbolt support, but depends on whether or not the manufacturer actually implements it?
so m.2 only support single side ssd?
Why bother if there is atomman with 7600
The oculink port is pcie4.0x4 or x8?
Usually 4x, have not seen any 8x yet
There are already several videos from China (in full chinese ofc) that state this can take 1ccd CPU's up to 65W or Dual CCD CPU's up to 100w.
Can you confirm this??? This would be a monster with a 7950x @ 100w or a 9950x @ 100w (with some bios update).
For the GPU side, (if you need something more powerfull than the AMD 610m the desktop cpus bring) do not forget this has both Occulink and USB 4....
Their own oculink dock is pretty cheap @ 90€... just throw in some old gpu in and voila, you have a MONSTER 16 core 32 Threads gaming machine
Do you know of a good looking, compact and affordable Oculink dock suitable for the A2000 Low Profile. The One Dock V2 and the Ogre250 look great but they are small production and very high price.
Look into the minisforum DEG1? Has occulink port on the side
@@tomh1556 The Minisforum DEG1 takes up an enormous amount of desk space. It has a larger footprint than a Mini ITX.
The Minisforum DEG1 is kind of huge. It has a footprint as big as a Mini ITX.
Of course we want the Linux test on this machine, right?
Can this run say an AMD Ryzen 7900... I'm just saying a 12-core mini PC would be pretty boss for a UNRAID server
In theory it should be able to run a 7950x but the power supply and the motherboard VRM is something that may overheat if the CPU power go beyond 100W. And there is also the possibility of some UEFI locks imposed my minisforum.
This can work for music production right?
why not, music production uses cpu and ram more than video)
Ok I'm sure this has been addressed and I missed it, but what happened to the intro?
Wow I didn't know the MS are selling PC now..
lets see linux bazzite!
I'd like to see Linux and if it has any issues with Oculink.
Is just PCIe over a wire so what issues are you talking about?
@@RipHunter-l7x So with Oculink, the external gpu is effectively detected as native PCIE at system boot? Mainly concerned about stability/compatibility with Linux. Oculink is completely foreign to me.
To be honest I kinda disappointed with MS-A1 compared with MS-01 I/O which have HHHL X8 PCIe slot and dual 10G SFP+. In my opinion I know OcuLink might have more flexibility with more expansion device but it will add more space for a product people will get for maximized their limited space.
I was a little bit interested in this until I found out it doesn't have any other way to connect a GPU then that Oculink. Absolutely wasted potential. You would think that because the Intel variant had PCIe and was released way before this that this one too would have a PCIe slot but nope. AMD got cucked once again... Can you imagine if you could have put 7800X3D + RTX A2000 / RTX 4060 in this? And what the hell is that RAM speed support??? 5200MT/s. With 8700G? With this price tag? What a bad product. What were they thinking with this one? Anyone who is interested in this should check out ASrock Deskmini X600 before they buy this. That one is way cheaper, supports 6400MT/s RAM and is arguably from a more reputable company.
It only supports CPUs up to 65 watt tdp, so no 7800x3d.
@@TerranigmaQuintet Well that's debatable. The 7800X3D can MAYBE work. Is there a hard limit on CPU power consumption? Or is there an actual BIOS lock preventing it from working at all? Because if it's just a power consumption limit then just undervolt, underclock etc. and it should be fine. The ASrock Desmini X600 is also said to only support 65W TDP CPUs but the 7800X3D works on that board.
@@Jantcha Exactly, Most people seem to be unaware (either deliberately in bad faith or involuntarily) that all AMD "desktop" CPUs can operate in "65W ECO-Mode" even the Ryzen 9 7950X and 7950X3D.
@@hydraxxorion538 The reason is the fallacious argument of appeal to authority for believing that TDP nonsense and the reality is that for as long the CPU VRM on the motherboard won't overheat and the PSU can handle the power you can give that AM5 socket as many watts as you like.
@@TerranigmaQuintet No,the motherboard can handle 100W easily and probably 120w but at that point the temperature of the VRM MOSFETs needs to be carefully monitored.Most devices can handle way more power than advertised and all the power limits are very conservative because the manufacturer don't know in what environment you are going to use it so they don't want the users on a very hot climate to have issues that can cause to many RMA request.
I don't know if anyone is like me about this, but my lord man. This PC is rounding out at about $1000. I started doing PC gaming with a steam deck and can't believe you can go get a game console (PS5 or Series x) that has no problem running modern games for less than half of the price. PC gaming will never be widely adopted with the pricing structure for performance. My opinion.
I'm surprised that he says nothing about ryzen 7900x and 7950x that will work in this setup?
I would think because they are not 65w CPUs and Minisforum has its own bios so you probably can't change the wattage to 65w like in the Windows bios unless there is some third party software to do it
@@heirtothethrone000 true but minusforum talks about adding 7900x or 7950x im adding 7900x3d in mine once my ram shows up tomorrow and see how it runs with egpu 4090 cant wait if all works.
@@NitekTechhey I am curious to know how it performs with that CPU. My device is on its way and will take a month to get to me . I am in splits about which CPU to use . Would be great if you could comment back on your set up
@@anks0203 the unit max is 100w to any of the 7000 series chips I contacted minis forum I set the. Power to auto in the bios which is delete key to get into it and set up other ways 75w max and auto they both run at 66watts I have for higher than that so I contacted them about. It runs fine but it should be a 100w I monitor the temps and everything fine so I guess that the way it is
Going to stay with my Lenovo m720q
I9 9900t
32gigs
Wd black nvme
Rtx t1000 8gigs
Moded cover 3d printed
跟笔记本价格持平或者更高，性价比没有笔记本电脑好，他能干的事情笔记本电脑也可以，还有屏幕键盘
Pretty garbage for the price tbh. The Asrock DeskMini X600 is cheaper and you can install a Noctua axial fan instead of these blowers...
Can you use a 7800X3D on this + oculink?
Yes you can if it is an AM5 chipset
@@Esquera123 but its TDP is too high for this.
@@TerranigmaQuintetExactly. This is a stupid build.
@RelentlessOhiox Every product is not for everyone. All mini pcs are limited and people know that but still seem to want so much more. It's not a stupid build It's just not for you.✌️💯✌️
UM790Pro gang
Man, I don't like all these benchmarks with fake frames and fake resolutions. I'd rather know what the system is actually capable of.
Another week another Minisforum disposable pc
does anyone know if i use a ryzen 7600x or 7700x with this ? an could i get 144 to 165hz refresh rate vi the display port on Ubuntu 24.04 lts ?
also , unless im missing something that this unit take desktop cpu's does the mean the cpu mounting
might allow a cpu cooling fan like Thermalright AXP120-X67 59 CFM CPU Cooler instead of the default
or a arctic freezer III to that mobo , im ok with having a open case like that in my rack
iv got a custom rack shelf that mounts a twin 5.25in bay an rad for an old open frame build that i once had , that was to big but if i could use this with my 280mm aio an burner an 5.25in bay raid adapter that would be great as id get far better horse power in a smaller footprint then my current setup.
New video up running destiny 2 with thermals numbers for ms-a1 if anyone interested
Linux video plz 😊
That's a bummer that this is NOTHING like the Intel version. It lacks the dual 10 GbE SFP+ ports and it also doesn't have the PCIe slot open and available as well.
What a shame.
If this had the same feature set as the MS-01, but just using the AMD processor as the base rather than the Intel, then it would've been a compelling product, but absent of those features, and I don't want to deal with the P-core/E-core business of Intel CPUs (and I think that it is not a smart purchasing decision to buy a CPU, and then castrate its performance by shutting off the E-cores) = still no buy from me (yet).
'Tis a pity.
bro this minis pc is getting out of control with the price WTF
test linux, please 🙏🙏🙏 something like chimeraOS or Bazzite would be perfect
They got rid of the internal pci slot? And the high speed ports? Fucking ruined. I wonder if Intell paid minis forum to nurf the amd version? It wouldn’t be the first time they pulled some shit like that