Yeah Mick Foley straight up quit doing commentary because he just couldn’t stand Vince’s behavior. Jim Ross said he was only used to it because he worked for Bill Watts who had a similar yell and scream style.
Lol I remember when Foley joined commentary in TNA once, Don West went 'what's it like commentating without someone screaming in your ear?' and Foley laughed
Because Vince is a ruthless, intelligent businessman. No one else has been able to consistent make money in the wrestling business for generations. Vince has made billions. His work ethic and business intelligence is second to none. Creatively that’s a different story
@@dantegood2195 I'm not so sure about the intelligent businessman part. Don't get me wrong, he changed culture more than a lot of people on this planet and made a lot of money. But it was STRICTLY to do with his core business which he got via a very sweet deal from his father who grew that business and audience FOR him. EVERY side business venture he tried outside of wrestling failed miserably. He has so much in common with Donald Trump it's genuinely creepy. However where they differ with me is there will always be a part of me that will love Vince Mcmahon because I was part of the Hulkamania generation. I have never and will never harbour the same feelings for Donald Trump
@@jamesrichardson4663 ever heard the saying "If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by"? That. That and a lot of money. That is the reason a lot of people still worked for him despite everything.
I knew he talked to them a lot, but I didn't know I was about mundane stuff like a comment when they're walking to the ring. That sort of micro-management is corrosive, the fact that Cole stayed for so long is crazy.
probably it wasnt Vince. but Triple H who wanted to get rid off Test. Test was the biggest rival of Triple H. Im pretty sure that Test was a much better wrestler than Triple H.
Triple h style in "screaming" in their headset is better because he only says a few words either if they do something wrong or land a joke in their headset. It's good morale from triple h, seeing Michael cole enjoying himself and being himself like when he listened to cm punk theme song he was dancing
I definitely wouldn't say that. There are barely any stars. Lackluster story lines that are drawn out too long and countless wrestlers not showing up to work week by week, which tanks the show's quality. WWE is only "better" now if you like normal guy esque jobbers and stars only wrestling on PLE's.
@@dantelan-i-er5466 oh yes, cuz the same two dudes holding the top titles for nearly half a decade was top tier story telling. Seriously, there are plenty of stars. You're just having to cope that new stars are being made and it's not the same ppl you are used too.
@@misterchubbikins That's not it at all, actually. It's just the fact that people like Sami Zayn and Gunther are not stars but are being pushed as such...while people like Damien Priest are stuck in boring, drawn out story lines. I like Bron Breaker, Bronson Reed, Dominik Mysterio, Damien Priest and Pete Dunn. I also liked Odyssey Jones before they axed him over allegations. It's not an issue of people "I'm not used too." It's booking and bad pushes.
And never even got a direct match or feud with Triple H out of it. Even worse, he lost to X-Pac clean shortly after the wedding. Double Oof. Still think that Royal Rumble Street Fight title shot should've gone to Test instead of Mick Foley. Didn't expect him to win, but at least that angle would come to a logical ending point.
Test was so done after that. The Stacey Kiebler storyline could have been a great reboot for him but then that ended just when it was helping him get over again.
Watch the mr. Mcmahon documentary. Hhh pretty much says it. How about have him in the storyline with steph. He wasnt married to steph, but sure had power at that time too.
He was always a big stiff with zero charisma. I’d go as far as to say probably top 5 in regards to least charismatic guys on the roster going back to the 90’s. The guy was that bad.
Man I missed The Coach. He was so entertaining. He is the first heel colour commentator/backstage interviewer I hated. He was so good at being a d--bag. The Rock making him do the Charlestown is still one of the funniest moments in wrestlind. I was so pissed when I heard how WWE screwed him over compensation.
I think Vince McMahon was a control freak with the commentators. What the crowd's reactions to things can't be controlled - I imagine Vince McMahon was losing his mind when WWE audiences essentially hijacked the show and mutiny on what they were doing in the ring (Roman Reigns being shoved down our throats, the famous post-WrestleMania reactions to Fandango and the crowd singing his theme music, etc)
Remember how we were hearing stories about how Cole wanted to stop being a commentator? You don’t hear those stories anymore. Not a doubt in my mind, had the old man still been around, Cole would have stepped away in ‘22 or ‘23. Does Cole still want to step away? Probably at some point in the next few years, but this is the first time he’s having fun at his job in 25 years. Why quit now?
while that's the part of it I think another reason because of Pat as well Cole even said that Pat make him regain his passion for being commentator again
I couldn't imagine how it was during the 2012 era where they were pushing HARD to advertise the WWE Network for $9.99. It was said by Cole so many damn times and it was def all Vince
Imagine being hired as a commentator because you're good on the mic and then instead of be allowed to do your job you've got some power tripping, micromanaging jagoff screaming in your ear telling you *how* to do your job. WTF?
Pressure makes diamonds, no wonder JR was so good at what he does at the height of their biggest business ever in the attitude era. He's got a multi billion dollar business to look after.. and pressure makes diamonds and he's been selling them for years.
It's still structured, they have character/storyline stuff to get through but the commentators are just allowed to riff off each other a lot more and improvise.
Vince McMahon is nothing more than an ungrateful child He thinks he could verbally abuse people, and yell at them and talk crap about them for no reason and what makes someone feel bad for their life and make them feel awful about themselves for right now once he is in a lot of trouble again. Nobody could feel bad for him anymore.
I feel like I’d instantly lose my cool and scream back at Vince. I wouldn’t last a single show with him in my ear because I’d be fired for unprofessional conduct
I just don't understand that level of micromanaging. You'd think that after years and years of commentary, these guys would know how to call matches while still hitting all the major plugs and bullet points without Vince needing to constantly feed them their dialogue verbatim so that they're essentially just his parrots.
Watch the full interview with Jonathan Coachman on my main channel here: ua-cam.com/video/beoW3yghzbE/v-deo.html
Yeah Mick Foley straight up quit doing commentary because he just couldn’t stand Vince’s behavior. Jim Ross said he was only used to it because he worked for Bill Watts who had a similar yell and scream style.
Lol I remember when Foley joined commentary in TNA once, Don West went 'what's it like commentating without someone screaming in your ear?' and Foley laughed
Mick foley said something about hatred or the word hate a lot and Vince was like "stop with hate word" that's when he left
Idk how anyone could work with a maniac yelling at you all the time
Damn
@@prasithoudomvilay8454 Dude Love shouldn't be hating! You're killing the character!!
Coach: "Test hits the suplex on Steiner..."
Vince: "YOU'VE KILLED HIS CHARACTER!!!"
😂😂😂
Coach: ....
*Test just standing there*
Vince: "YOU'VE KILLED HIS CHARACTER!!!"
ah, that's why Vince had to bury them both. It's the announcers' fault. Vince of course wanted to PUSH them!
It's crazy that WWE thrived both because of him AND despite of him.
That's balance for you. Both positive and negative must happen together.
Where there's good, there's bad
Geez I know!!! Wwe is no different from any other corporate world.. I didn't need preaching from every tom dick n Harry about how shit goes 🫠😴
Because Vince is a ruthless, intelligent businessman. No one else has been able to consistent make money in the wrestling business for generations. Vince has made billions. His work ethic and business intelligence is second to none. Creatively that’s a different story
@@dantegood2195 I'm not so sure about the intelligent businessman part.
Don't get me wrong, he changed culture more than a lot of people on this planet and made a lot of money.
But it was STRICTLY to do with his core business which he got via a very sweet deal from his father who grew that business and audience FOR him. EVERY side business venture he tried outside of wrestling failed miserably.
He has so much in common with Donald Trump it's genuinely creepy.
However where they differ with me is there will always be a part of me that will love Vince Mcmahon because I was part of the Hulkamania generation.
I have never and will never harbour the same feelings for Donald Trump
I remember CM Punk mentioning he muted Vince when did commentary one show and Jerry looked at him in horror!
LMAO, no shot.
😂I was gone commented that lol 😅. Punk said that he elbowed the king for where is the soud button and turned him up to zero or mute 😂.
@@jamesrichardson4663I understand where your coming from but Vince isn’t your regular day to day boss he is a menace 😂
@@jamesrichardson4663 ever heard the saying "If you wait by the river long enough, the bodies of your enemies will float by"?
That. That and a lot of money. That is the reason a lot of people still worked for him despite everything.
Money talks. I've seen what lucrative paychecks will do to blur people's morality and tolerances working in corporate America.
No wonder Michael Cole became unhinged in the last 2 years 😂. Karma awarded him
Yeah listen to his call against Dom. Cole went fully unhinged with him even more when he's with Pat
I’m sure HHH loves it
@@herculesmwp7983 yep because he’s making it better
Let's be honest, he earned it
@@thepunisherclub6442 absolutely
I knew he talked to them a lot, but I didn't know I was about mundane stuff like a comment when they're walking to the ring. That sort of micro-management is corrosive, the fact that Cole stayed for so long is crazy.
The fact JR kept coming back is a miracle as well.
Remember, Vince was a commentator himself.
Still weird that he tried to micro-manage them though, considering he was never a very good commentator 😂
Vince buried Test eventually so its funny to hear him freaking out about commentary in reference to him. 😂
they left him no other choice after they had killed his character 😛
probably it wasnt Vince. but Triple H who wanted to get rid off Test. Test was the biggest rival of Triple H. Im pretty sure that Test was a much better wrestler than Triple H.
It's crazy how every aspect of the wwe has just gotten better since hunter took over.
Triple h style in "screaming" in their headset is better because he only says a few words either if they do something wrong or land a joke in their headset. It's good morale from triple h, seeing Michael cole enjoying himself and being himself like when he listened to cm punk theme song he was dancing
I definitely wouldn't say that. There are barely any stars. Lackluster story lines that are drawn out too long and countless wrestlers not showing up to work week by week, which tanks the show's quality. WWE is only "better" now if you like normal guy esque jobbers and stars only wrestling on PLE's.
@@dantelan-i-er5466 oh yes, cuz the same two dudes holding the top titles for nearly half a decade was top tier story telling.
Seriously, there are plenty of stars. You're just having to cope that new stars are being made and it's not the same ppl you are used too.
@@misterchubbikins That's not it at all, actually. It's just the fact that people like Sami Zayn and Gunther are not stars but are being pushed as such...while people like Damien Priest are stuck in boring, drawn out story lines. I like Bron Breaker, Bronson Reed, Dominik Mysterio, Damien Priest and Pete Dunn. I also liked Odyssey Jones before they axed him over allegations. It's not an issue of people "I'm not used too." It's booking and bad pushes.
Not every aspect. Hunter sucks at building talent.
Test’s character was killed when Triple H punked him out in the weeks after the Stephanie wedding, he was long gone
And never even got a direct match or feud with Triple H out of it. Even worse, he lost to X-Pac clean shortly after the wedding. Double Oof. Still think that Royal Rumble Street Fight title shot should've gone to Test instead of Mick Foley. Didn't expect him to win, but at least that angle would come to a logical ending point.
Test was so done after that. The Stacey Kiebler storyline could have been a great reboot for him but then that ended just when it was helping him get over again.
Watch the mr. Mcmahon documentary. Hhh pretty much says it. How about have him in the storyline with steph. He wasnt married to steph, but sure had power at that time too.
@@gerardovega4641of course triple h had power. He was a 2 time champion at the time. All champions are in vince's ear and have pull.
He was always a big stiff with zero charisma. I’d go as far as to say probably top 5 in regards to least charismatic guys on the roster going back to the 90’s. The guy was that bad.
Man I missed The Coach. He was so entertaining. He is the first heel colour commentator/backstage interviewer I hated. He was so good at being a d--bag. The Rock making him do the Charlestown is still one of the funniest moments in wrestlind. I was so pissed when I heard how WWE screwed him over compensation.
Lol. I can't decide whether Vince was a control freak, or he was just really passionate about the business that he wanted everything to go perfect.
He was deeply passionate about the business, which turned him into a control freak.
Both can be true
I think Vince McMahon was a control freak with the commentators. What the crowd's reactions to things can't be controlled - I imagine Vince McMahon was losing his mind when WWE audiences essentially hijacked the show and mutiny on what they were doing in the ring (Roman Reigns being shoved down our throats, the famous post-WrestleMania reactions to Fandango and the crowd singing his theme music, etc)
@@XplosionYTperfect analogy
Yes
Could totally hear Vince saying "This is YOUR show, you gotta be here"
Remember how we were hearing stories about how Cole wanted to stop being a commentator? You don’t hear those stories anymore. Not a doubt in my mind, had the old man still been around, Cole would have stepped away in ‘22 or ‘23. Does Cole still want to step away? Probably at some point in the next few years, but this is the first time he’s having fun at his job in 25 years. Why quit now?
while that's the part of it I think another reason because of Pat as well Cole even said that Pat make him regain his passion for being commentator again
I didn’t know Vince had a button and he could choice who is he talking to
That is pretty cool he has that and makes sense if he talking to that one commentator and not the others
@@killeranime3591 yeah makes a lot of sense
Makes sense. Else the guys would be stepping on each other's fed lines.
I sort of knew Vince had a button for each person and all call button
You can see him doing this in one part of the new Netflix documentary.
I couldn't imagine how it was during the 2012 era where they were pushing HARD to advertise the WWE Network for $9.99. It was said by Cole so many damn times and it was def all Vince
Coach about to drop his follow up interview so he can go back on his “I’ll never work for WWE again” comments 😅
So... anyone up for hunting down this specific match just so we can try and see if we catch Coach's reaction to the yelling?
The downfall of test can now be clearly blamed on coach. Man killed his character
Vince got mad at someone ELSE for burying Test???
That "thanks God" what really hits me
Imagine being hired as a commentator because you're good on the mic and then instead of be allowed to do your job you've got some power tripping, micromanaging jagoff screaming in your ear telling you *how* to do your job. WTF?
Pressure makes diamonds, no wonder JR was so good at what he does at the height of their biggest business ever in the attitude era. He's got a multi billion dollar business to look after.. and pressure makes diamonds and he's been selling them for years.
I remember Coach talking about that in another interview: "YOU JUST KILLED HIM, YOU KILLED HIM!"
Reminds me of when Mattingly said, "I still like him better than Steinbrenner."
Imagine having Vince in your ear.
In all honesty, I haven't enjoyed the commentary since Vince left and now I get it. It's like all of the structure wen't out of the window.
It's still structured, they have character/storyline stuff to get through but the commentators are just allowed to riff off each other a lot more and improvise.
@Gannoh I disagree. I notice them stepping on each other's lines more often and feels more like a social club than commentary booth.
Vince McMahon needs to chill bruh
Vince McMahon is nothing more than an ungrateful child He thinks he could verbally abuse people, and yell at them and talk crap about them for no reason and what makes someone feel bad for their life and make them feel awful about themselves for right now once he is in a lot of trouble again. Nobody could feel bad for him anymore.
Ok mark 😂
Yeah, just casually blast the guy who created everything you watch today. I swear these kids today are ingrates.
@@liquidgeorge This is why Vince never booked for the IWC and when he did you got failures like Stomping Ground 2019
"SHUT UP WHEN I'M TALKING"
I am so happy for Michael Cole. For years I thought he was awful, but he's very good.
Wrestling's greatest hero and villain
Cole back then vs Cole now is all you need to know now.
Vince should be in jail
And don’t worry he is he’s gonna go to jail in the next week or so whatever they found
He should be under the jail
@@WrestlingGod-f4vin the next week? Lmfao okay buddy whatever helps you sleep at night
@@jeffreymark475 no whatever helps your freaking uncle skull fucking will help you
Vince just could not give up being at commentary so he turned the people at the table into his surrogates.
Cole 100% deserves to be in WWE Hall of Fame
WWE seems like the most toxic environment.
Yup from what I heard it makes WCWs back stage look unified and peaceful.
Vince was a nut
You could for sure tell the moment he was gone because Michael Cole suddenly knew how to talk like an actual human being...
I feel like I’d instantly lose my cool and scream back at Vince. I wouldn’t last a single show with him in my ear because I’d be fired for unprofessional conduct
Today I learned Coach killed Test. Rip
2:00 around there “they don’t all hear it” well I mean Vince always had somebody next to him in gorilla I’m pretty sure lol….
Vince de facto commentating since 1997...
Just say “Oh, it’s Christian.”
Michael Cole is the real MVP💯🖤
I know the narrative is Vince made pro wrestling yada yada yada but it seems he also greatly held it back and nearly destroyed it.
Coach is cool
I just don't understand that level of micromanaging. You'd think that after years and years of commentary, these guys would know how to call matches while still hitting all the major plugs and bullet points without Vince needing to constantly feed them their dialogue verbatim so that they're essentially just his parrots.
You’re killing his character !! Makes me respect Vince even more !!!!!
Stefan Mission
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Coach used to complain about WWE. Then returned to WWE briefly. Then complained again after they let him go. He just doesn't make any sense
Oh brother you don't get paid to shill for the WWE, let it go
Cole is still annoyingly insufferable
WWE will never be better than when it was with Vince. It would be nothing without him. Michael Cole is mediocre. Everything I’ve said is true.
I agree. I grew up with Gorilla Monson and the Brain, the Jr and the King. Michael Cole doesn't compare to those guys.
I wonder what Tony is like?
Probably not him at all. If he does say anything, it's probably just notes as guidelines and not steadfast rules.
He proably just lets jim ross do his thing same with taz
He’s just a walking ATM.
Not hating on Tony, but I don't think he could add anything to commentary, especially for Jim, Tony and Taz
Simp
Vince McMahon is the almighty genius that made wrestling as big as it is today. What he says, goes.
Nah, he can barely talk anymore, has no idea what's culturally relevant, cant even take a stunner, take him out behind the barn.
WWE is SO much better with Vince gone, in every conceivable way.
I wonder what coach identifies as. What a putz
Fire Jim Ross and you only have michael and I feel that you only have poor cole.
So ..
Work him until he is dead