I get same wound cavity with 500S&W 400gr Winchester hp.. 3 years ago it was $5 a round. Way too much for game animals. These also will penetrate level 3 ballistic glass at 50yds 1 shot.
@@AncientRylanor69 1- They're very expensive. Outfitting an entire army with ammunition of this sort would not be feasible. 2- While the explosive ammunition is much more capable, in practical terms, the difference is slim, as both forms of ammunition put their target out of the fight if it makes contact. And so, the benefit gained is not worth the cost. 3- There is a gentlemen's agreement between combatants to keep the cost of war, material wise and human wise, to the lowest. Explosive ammunition is currently used, such as HEI rounds, but they're for purposes of anti armour rather than personnel. That is the field militaries wish to use explosive ammunition in.
Alright, I want to bring something up here: You're using ammunition that contains an explosive that's at least 60 years old. As a chemist, I can tell you from experience that chemicals, especially shock sensitive chemicals, don't behave after sitting on a shelf for even a few years, much less well over 50. Chances are this stuff isn't as reactive as it once was and that's causing the delay you're witnessing. If this ammunition uses any explosive compound that could be considered a "primary" explosive, it would explode at a rate orders of magnitude higher than the velocity of the bullet itself and you're simply not seeing that with this old ammunition. It's also entirely possible that there is some internal corrosion preventing the little firing pin like system from operating properly. It's hard to say but something isn't working quite right, even the "fire" you see in the slow-mo doesn't really match much of any primary explosive I've seen, it's far too slow and the flames are too... "solid".
I don't think decay played a part in this case. The bullets behaved as intended. Your point would be valid if the chemicals inside of the bullet were exposed to ambient conditions, but they are sealed within a copper jacket that doesn't seem to have been exposed to harmful ambient conditions that would have rusted the material and caused oxidation. If it had spoiled, the bullet would have definitely showed signs of corrosion.
Even if all that is true the rounds went off when firing at a different object I can’t say for the German rounds but for the Russians this means they did not fail because of make up but rather a problem of ballistics
"Apone....hey look I uh....we cant have any firing in there I want to collect magazines from everybody." "Is he fucking crazy ?!" "Yeah what are suppose to use man, harsh language? "
my bets are on savety standards. I mean, you don't want to snipe someone and then blow your rifle up and getting metalpieces in your face It's still high explosives you are shooting with (extremely) high velocity.
@@ViktoriousDead for real? then you could use organic peroxides or TNT in these bullets? suuuure... the point here is, with the first compound it will detonate the moment the bullet moves in the barrel, that sensitive it is, while TNT (alone) is a rather insensitive expolosive and needs enourmous energy to detonate. in this case it needs some kind of primary explosive to ignite it. If you would want to design a bullet like this you HAVE to use the right compound that is senitive enough to detonate on target but insensitive to not just blowing up when you pull the trigger. if you can't understand this, just shut up.
@@fort9609 i don't know if you have experience in high explosives, but i'm pretty sure you can't just add a random explosive into the bullet and expect your barrel not to blow up when pulling the trigger. enlight me with your superior knowledge ;-)
@@Blei1986 except thats not how these work, the gunpowder that shoots the bullet is not connected to the actual bullet, you are aware of this?. in the german B patrone/observation round it has an internal floating pin and a very small amount of tetryl. this is armed as soon as the round is fired and detonated when it hits something, this ignited the white phosphorus. its intended purpose isnt to explode and injure people, it was mainly for observation. though late war snipers used these rounds for effective use as the explosion, while tiny, caused enough fragmentation to tear and pull inside people, which in turn causes more injury. if you refer to anti tank versions, then you can take the idea of the panzerfaust, these rounds do the same thing, post-war rounds have a very basic radar, but earlier versions rely on impact/sudden decelleration. after that the explosion is directed, not universal. and causes a jet of molten metal which can penetrate most tanks depending on range/angle etc. and if you are actually talking about just bullets with explosives in them, then those were also made, they are called tank shells, because bullets with just an explosive mass does not do enough damage alone. (against vehicles mainly) oh and to add onto your statement, no, you can't just add a random explosive, but the barrel will not blow up with adequate protection in the rear of the bullet. the gunpowder was already measured for the caliber and barrel thickness, and the rear of the bullet has enough balance to make sure it does not act odd mid-flight,(shifting mass) and enough protection to not break the bullet from the initial gunpowder shot.
Dude I was gonna say big props to the butterfly casually rolling through and at that point well within range of the explosion as the ballistic was still falling
Karl-"I don't see a problem with using this ammo in war, war isn't civilized." Also Karl-"I've never had to actually worry about what would happen to me in war" (exceptionally paraphrased)
I can't imagine how rare this ammo is, so I'm deeply grateful that you documented it. "History became legend. Legend became myth." You've preserved a piece of history, somewhat ironically by destroying artifacts of that history.
you guys, the book descriptions are correct. the round can explode on a wrist . YOUR AMMO is so old it has a delay. normally this ammo explodes immediately on impact.
Please help me understand if EXPLODING BULLETS are so much more effective why do modern armies bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers?🤔🤔 Thank you.
The Finnish sniper Simo Häyhä aka "The White Death" was hit by a soviet explosive round in the face, blowing off half his jaw. He lived to tell the tale tho.
I always thought that exploding rounds of .300 or less was a complete gimmick, and a hollow point/ soft point would be more effective. I was wrong. You did a great job on this video. Long time sub on forgotten weapons, new sub to InRangeTV
@@gsfbffxpdhhdf7043 Historically anything that had an explosive charge was 11mm and up. The oft cited reason for this being that anything smaller didn't have the necessary space to store an effective amount of explosive charge. Even modern day militaries with our modern manufacturing capabilities don't put an explosive charge into anything below 12mm.
@@alephkasai9384 It's not because of technical limitations, it's because the geneva convention forbids firing explosive or incendiary ammo at humans. (But 155mm shells and grenades are ok...) As a side note it also forbids hollow point in military use despite it being the standard in police enforcement these days..
In the early 1990s, I bought an M44 and a large ziploc bag of surplus ammo. The ammo was copper washed and had no paint markings on the projectiles, because someone had run it through a vibratory cleaner to make the copper clean/shiny. Anyway, fast forward 10 years and I had sold my M44. Found this bag of ammo. Decided to pull the bullets with my kinetic bullet puller, to load in .303 Brit for my #4 Mk2. Imagine my surprise when I dump the last bullet out of the puller, and it's a spotter round. Pucker factor 15.
@@pozsmith8207 There was no outward indication that it was a spotter. round. There were no paint markings or anything. It looked like garden variety commie FMJ.
+Red Burton This was actually the first ever InRangeTV video - in retrospect we could have done better but the topic is pretty compelling regardless. ~Karl
Thanks for the reply, my curiosity is more around the idea of total damage with one vs the other since dum dums could do serious damage vs a normal round.
+InRangeTV I actually remember hearing about this a little a few years ago. I never really heard much about it though. Thank you guys for making this video! That stuff is nasty. Can't imagine what it could do to a head.
"Nothing to see here, Citizens. Move along. Move along." (Sung to the Tiny Tim song "I've got a brand new pair of roller skates, you've got a brand new key.") 🤯
I had an german WW2 Veteran as resident in our retirement home. He fought on the eastern front and his right arm looked like a swiss cheese. He told me, the russians used explosive rounds at some point and i saw the healed wounds from those horrific rounds. Two rounds impacted centimeters away from the bones but detonated at the skin. Still the wounds healed, he had two big craters on his arm. He died two years ago.
@@AncientRylanor69 The Geneva Convention. The same reason hollowpoint rounds are not permitted to be used in war either. Naturally, both sides ignored the Geneva Convention on the Eastern Front.
I’m certain the Germans didn’t start this. The Germans signed both the Hague conventions in conduct of land warfare and the Geneva conventions, both of which forbade use of explosive rounds and dumb, dumb bullets. The Russians did not sign both of these treaties. They just gone through 24 years of Bolshevik genocides and madness. Madness in Germany only started in 1934.
I was looking to see if anyone else was going to suggest showing the effects in a ground troop helmet, to see if that changed the effect. Maybe using an Ivan Zombie Head?
5:52........That was alot of smoke from the chamber....was that a blown primer or a case head failure with that K98k? ont the other hand, this video is solid proof that too much fun can be had with guns, explosives and no one gettin' hurt.....
I love how shook he got after seeing it actually work. Maybe he really thought it was all made up. I too would be shook. We all know ww2 was unimaginably gruesome, but with those rounds being real. it just gives you a whole other perspective to how much more gruesome it was. Not only that but what else were they using that we have yet to find.
Interesting that dum-dum cartridges were banned but this was not. Russians were actually early adopters of dum-dum round, they used it in Ruso-Japanese war (and Japanese were really angry about it) and even in WWI and Russian Revolution. Not consistently, mind you, they were issued to officers in case of emergency and used sparingly. I bet there were some dum-dum cartridges in usage in WWII in Red Army.
@@jakublulek3261 Actually, they were banned. They were forbidden to be used by troops. The problem is that these bullets were originally meant by aircraft where the explosive charge is meant to ignite fuel tanks or make seeing hits easier. Then things get ugly enough that both sides started throwing banned bullets at each other.
After seen the video i thought about those photos of Staligrad with the streets full of bodies, and feel grated of the snow hiding those horrible injuries. That way, those photos look sad instead of horrorific.
The first two shots of German through the cube of ballistics gel were the biggest two exit wounds I’d ever seen in my life. At 14:00, I spat out my whiskey. I don’t like swearing on videos like these, but fucking hell Have all the humane treaties of war you like, but the second total war breaks out again I can’t imagine anyone not issuing that as standard.
I know this video is almost 5 years old, but I wonder how much this effect would've changed at sniper ranges, say 300 to 500 yards, with what by then would be a much slower moving bullet.
Justin Mitchell Don't think MG42 fires full length/strength 7.92 But a weaker version. M2 firing .50 BMG explosive ammo is probably the closest you'll get.
Ma Deuce is surprisingly anti-climactic when lighting up a car with M8 incendiary, but the SLAP rounds make funny looking silvery confetti that sparkles. We had to burn off many cases of ammo that were a no-no for use on missions, so we did a huge spend-ex at Udairi weapons range.
6:34 if you're using ammo from ww2 and not ammo made to ww2 specs, then a huge factor is time. The chemicals inside the projectile could've degraded over time, causing them to detonate a little later.
.50 BMG Raufoss MK 211 rounds use the same principle and are in current use by the U.S. military. In fact, it was the standard issue ammo for my M-82A1 SASR rifle in the Marine Corps.
Wow its so true. "The official stance of the Norwegian Government is that the 12.7 mm MP round should not be used against personnel, but an exception has been made for snipers using the round - due to the practical limitations of snipers having to change the type of ammunition used when switching between hardened and soft targets" The government uses laziness as the deciding factor?
@@Leeeeegion Norwegian army still uses this type of ammo to this day for it's .50 cal MG's afaik, it certainly did when I had my obligatory year of duty in the army. Bear in mind, even with standard FMJ 0.50 cal, if you hit a human body you're turning it into minced meat, so might as well use explosive rounds and be done with it.
As a former Soldier, who served in Vietnam, I am here to tell you, if I was being shot, I would pray that the enemy was following those conventions simply because I may well live to see my family if hit with standard solid core ammo, not so much if hit by that nasty stuff. That, I believe is the reason for those attempts to civilize an uncivilized process.
@@marshallschaffer3721 I'm not sure where you are or what you have heard, but the police around me...and indeed most agencies in the USA use a hollow point of some variation. You may not be interested in the reasoning but it is as much for the safety of bystanders as it is to more quickly stop the bad guys. If you know you're going into a fight you bring a rifle. The pistol is easier to carry and can be there when you don't know when that fight might happen. Thus it is what they have with them and so they make it as effective as possible.
Probably been said but the issue is to do with the velocity. At your current range the bullet is moving too fast, at a further range you'll see it go off inside the target more reliably. (going slower = more time in target)
I do find it odd that we think its OK to use bombs, mines and artillery shells that literally blast people to shreds. But shooting someone with a bullet that causes similar (acutally much less compared to close artillery shell burst) damage is considered ethically wrong?
There was also some grenade launching device banned a couple years back, because you'd measure the distance to your target with it and send the projectile out to explode above for example, raining down shrapnel and whatnot.
I think it has something to do with the fact that wen u get artillery shelled they don't gotta worry bout sewing u up, bc like u said u r now in shreds. But if u get hit with one of these an some act of the lord above or whatever u believe in keeps u alive then they got a nasty wound to try to fix... Same thing with serrated bayonets right? Atleast kind of, an same thing with the Germans being pussies about the shotgun (if made a nasty wound for them to fix if the poor sap that got shot lived...
During the war between Russia and Finland finish sniper Simo Hayha ( he was also called the white death, in a 100 day stretch he had over 500 kill's) was shot in the left side of his face with one of those exploring rounds. The round blew off a large chunk of his face and that tough S.O.B survived his wounds and went on to die of natural causes at a very old age 👍😀
I've heard that bullet penetrated right cheek and exploded against left side jaw bone tearing his jaw inside out, I heard this from one old man who said he talked about it with Häyhä himself
Stealing directly from Wikipedia- "On the 6 March 1940, Häyhä was hit in his lower left jaw by an explosive bullet fired by a Red Army soldier. He was picked up by fellow soldiers who said that 'half his face was missing'" Also if you look at photos of him, his right cheek looks okay while all the damage seems to be on his left
Soviets used exploding bullets in winter war so i bet they started using it first. I have found couple Soviet exploding rounds Winterwar battlefields. Even Simo Häyhä took one in the head.
Please help me understand if EXPLODING BULLETS are so much more effective why do modern armies (especially NATO armies) bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers?🤔🤔 Thank you.
@@AncientRylanor69 they cost more and you can take down a man with normal bullet. And i think exploding bullets are against Geneva convention atleast to use against people.
This popped up in my suggested videos, over a year after I initially saw it. Still blew my mind, I totally forgot that y'all got a positive result on the latter block. Great shit, guys
I would suspect the performance would improve at range, less velocity going THROUGH the target. The round slowing a bit may allow it to detonate earlier in the target
in the 1930 oscar awarded movie "Im Westen nichts Neues" /"still on the western front" i believe is the english title, the main character Paul Bäumer dies in the last scene after 3 years in the horrors of war by peaking over the trench in order to chatch a butterfly and getting shot in the head by a sharpshooter. the last scene of the movie is his hand getting limp and lifless resting on a k98.
I think I might know what's happening here. Using original ammo is great, but it's 70 years old and the explosive inside the round could have degraded and became slower over time. The Russian bullet have used a charge with a different chemistry and held up better over time. Another possibility is this is intentional, and intended to be used to penetrate soft cover (wood, etc.).. and *then* detonate. The third possibility is inconsistency in manufacture from lot to lot. All of this is speculation, of course.
Russian ammo ABSOLUTELY was not made for exploding after penetration of anything. The PZ stands for "Пристрелочный зажигательный"("Training incendiary"). It was made to detonate on impact so you could correct your fire even in the daytime when tracer round would not be that effective. So, it was basically ammo for aircraft machineguns (like ShKAS, which used the same 7,62x54 mm R rounds as Mosin rifles), and the fact that it ended up in hands of infantry, not mentioning the snipers is only due to critical lack of supplies in the red army at the beginning of the war due to massive retreating. So, there was no real intention to use explosive ammo on Germans in Soviet military, it was simply impossible not to, otherwise, soldiers would be fighting with even worse ammo supply conditions then they were already.
I remember finish sniper Simo Häyhä getting shot in the face with the Russian variant of these rounds. If you Google his image, you can see the terrible results. it also left the man in a coma for a while.
John Moses Browning Impressively enough he could, and even lived a long number of years after the war. Still, a chunk of his face was blown off. It's rather remarkable he had survived.
hell I've got 200 rounds of this shit now that I know what it can do I say screw shotgun w 00 buck for home defence I'm using my gewehr 98 with b patrone
You said according to this "Book", to aim for the pelvis/hip. Yea..... that would remove the leg at the socket. Those are the sniper rounds that scare the shit out of a platoon if a guy gets hit. Just amazing.
"They didn't really care about russians", "It was kind of a different war out there". How much pain is under those words. That is why my grandfather and grandfathers of my friends called german soldiers animals. And even now word "nazi" is an insult in Russia.
Both of these sides didnt care about the other ... because when the red army had finally occupied Germany there were quite a few rapes of women and girls ... which didnt really happen on the other front. Its all the consequence of dehumanising propaganda that enabled it. Oh and the British/US forces might not have used this kind of ammunition, but they did use flame throwers to "cook people alive". tl;dr War is a dirty business and most of the time there are no "good and noble" sides.
Muck006 though there was exeptions. For example, my grandmother (she is now 82) survived the blocade of Leningrad (St. Petersburg) being about to 5 years old. When she and a bunch of other people crossed the river on a boat there was a german Junkers flying above. He dropped the bombs in the river far from their boats and flew away. Later she knew that soviet radio operators could talk to some german pilots and they agreed not to bomb boats with civilians, even though pilots were told to do so. She told me that story herself.
@@TheSeanoops I've always heard that this was the main reason for banning hollow points in war. Not that some countries care! Looking at you United States, always cheating and committing war crimes.
Done some work for a client where we had to tape the blocks after testing and filled them with palsto of paris or inject epoxy into the smaller ones and let them set, then we removed the soap to reveal the cavity and later epoxy coated the castings, then we made a soft robber mold that could be used to recast the cavity if needed. We later were told they were for a military medical training centre for gun shoot wounds training, They may make a talking point at the hunting lodge or in the man cave too.
I first heard of explosive bullets while reading about WWI flyers while in high school in the early 60s. I thought they meant dum-dum bullets. However, Kiffin Yates Rockwell, the first American with the Lafayette Squadron to shoot down an enemy plane, was killed with one. You can google Kiffin Yates Rockwell and read the article in the Citizen Times. The account of his death is in the fourth paragraph from the end under the heading "Taking to the Skies". For some reason I can't paste this as a link.
@@Baigle1 His buddies were so concerned about the devastating wound he received, they took pictures and campaigned to have explosive bullets outlawed. This must have been accomplished after the war.
oh my goodness my gut turned in knots seeing the devastation of the thicker tests. this is a true testament of why the geneva convention states normal full metal jacked ammo. the thought of being hit by one of these is terrorizing
very devastating probably is the answer (though given how many rounds MG42 fire, it would've been effective without it anyway)... but if a sniper doesn't even get many of these rounds to carry with them then i think it's reasonable to assume that these rounds are far too few and valuable to waste as troop machine gun ammunition (aircraft would be different story and iirc, they do use them in aircraft but it's worth it for aircraft given the nature of their job and the value of each plane they can shoot down) imagine expending 1200 rounds of these a minute for an infantry squad ... when the snipers hardly get more than a few of these rounds to use... it would be such a colossal waste of premium ammunition better served for other specialist and platform (that can better utilize such rounds) with more efficient use...
@@IonoTheFanatics Exactly. You are correct that conventional ball ammunition in the MG42 is more than adequate. Other than for AA purposes, I cannot imagine what benefit there would be to loading an MG42 with these rounds--infantry are squishy enough to be easily mowed down by the 7.92x57mm ball round, and anything tougher (i.e. half tracks or tanks) would require AP rounds or a bigger gun. The advantage to using these against aircraft is that whilst a regular ball round will just punch a .30 caliber hole through the aircraft, these explosive rounds will put bigger holes and have a better chance of damaging something vital--coolant lines, fuel tanks, hydraulic systems, etc. But even then, by the time the Germans started using this sort of ammo, you'd want something a bit bigger than a .30 caliber machine gun to take down aircraft--everyone except the USAAF was using cannons of 20mm or larger as their primary aircraft weapons, with the .30 cal machine guns as backup.
That butterfly is gonna have PTSD after what he saw
You say PTSD and I read PTRS lol
Yes! I saw that too. I'm wondering if that was an uber high tech micro aerial surveillance drone closely monitoring the boys' experiment?
It was the soap dummies soul, leaving it's burdened flesh and flying off into the ether...
Buterfly: "lets get the flock out of here " EEeeeeek ......
Brilliant hahaha
That's not an exit wound. It's a parking space.
🤣
@Jonas Literally the first thing i thought
It's the grave they dug for ya'.
I get same wound cavity with 500S&W 400gr Winchester hp.. 3 years ago it was $5 a round. Way too much for game animals. These also will penetrate level 3 ballistic glass at 50yds 1 shot.
Hell yeah! You can imagine how the troops felt when they seen people hit with these. You know most wanted to go AWOL!
Ian and Karl at first : This is no different than standard ball ammo !
Ian and Karl , 5 minutes later : *Oh...*
u funny
Question: if exploding bullets are so effective why do modern armies bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers please?
@@AncientRylanor69 1- They're very expensive. Outfitting an entire army with ammunition of this sort would not be feasible.
2- While the explosive ammunition is much more capable, in practical terms, the difference is slim, as both forms of ammunition put their target out of the fight if it makes contact. And so, the benefit gained is not worth the cost.
3- There is a gentlemen's agreement between combatants to keep the cost of war, material wise and human wise, to the lowest.
Explosive ammunition is currently used, such as HEI rounds, but they're for purposes of anti armour rather than personnel. That is the field militaries wish to use explosive ammunition in.
@AncientRylanor69 It's considered a warcrime to use small explosive rounds against enemy combatants.
@@AncientRylanor69Geneva convention.
Make that bullet into a gyrojet while keeping the brass casing and you essentially have a miniature 40k bolter round.
14:22, that butterfly is getting the hell out of there
Alright, I want to bring something up here:
You're using ammunition that contains an explosive that's at least 60 years old. As a chemist, I can tell you from experience that chemicals, especially shock sensitive chemicals, don't behave after sitting on a shelf for even a few years, much less well over 50. Chances are this stuff isn't as reactive as it once was and that's causing the delay you're witnessing. If this ammunition uses any explosive compound that could be considered a "primary" explosive, it would explode at a rate orders of magnitude higher than the velocity of the bullet itself and you're simply not seeing that with this old ammunition.
It's also entirely possible that there is some internal corrosion preventing the little firing pin like system from operating properly. It's hard to say but something isn't working quite right, even the "fire" you see in the slow-mo doesn't really match much of any primary explosive I've seen, it's far too slow and the flames are too... "solid".
You are correct, I have extensive experience with primary and secondary energetic materials too.
I don't think decay played a part in this case. The bullets behaved as intended. Your point would be valid if the chemicals inside of the bullet were exposed to ambient conditions, but they are sealed within a copper jacket that doesn't seem to have been exposed to harmful ambient conditions that would have rusted the material and caused oxidation. If it had spoiled, the bullet would have definitely showed signs of corrosion.
200 IQ...
@@joachimvonribbentrop1956 What do you mean? Are you being sarcastic?
Even if all that is true the rounds went off when firing at a different object I can’t say for the German rounds but for the Russians this means they did not fail because of make up but rather a problem of ballistics
"Lieutenant. What do those Pulse Rifles fire?"
"10 millimeter explosive-tip caseless. Standard light armor piercing round. Why?"
This. So much this.
Armat M41A. Accept no substitute.
@@WindFireAllThatKindOfThing give this person a fuckin medal!!
Well this facility is like one big reactor so one explosion and Adios muchachos.
"Apone....hey look I uh....we cant have any firing in there I want to collect magazines from everybody."
"Is he fucking crazy ?!"
"Yeah what are suppose to use man, harsh language? "
This is what the Chieftan would call "a significant emotional event"
Underrated comment
Lmfao
I don't get it lol
@@quiggsy8571 "a significant emotional event" aka heavy metal projectiles flying around and/or through you
"Oh my god, My body is on fire"
@14:30 I think you gave a butterfly a heart attack - Happy New Year Y'all - Keep it up and thanks
14:27 - ooooooo a butterfly 🦋 😂😂😂
The famous finnish sniper was shot in the cheek with an exploding round.
The reason for delayed detonation may be linked to the ammo being so old and the compound degrading
my bets are on savety standards.
I mean, you don't want to snipe someone and then blow your rifle up and getting metalpieces in your face
It's still high explosives you are shooting with (extremely) high velocity.
@@ViktoriousDead for real? then you could use organic peroxides or TNT in these bullets?
suuuure... the point here is, with the first compound it will detonate the moment the bullet moves in the barrel, that sensitive it is, while TNT (alone) is a rather insensitive expolosive and needs enourmous energy to detonate. in this case it needs some kind of primary explosive to ignite it. If you would want to design a bullet like this you HAVE to use the right compound that is senitive enough to detonate on target but insensitive to not just blowing up when you pull the trigger. if you can't understand this, just shut up.
@@Blei1986 thats not how it works
@@fort9609 i don't know if you have experience in high explosives, but i'm pretty sure you can't just add a random explosive into the bullet and expect your barrel not to blow up when pulling the trigger.
enlight me with your superior knowledge ;-)
@@Blei1986 except thats not how these work, the gunpowder that shoots the bullet is not connected to the actual bullet, you are aware of this?. in the german B patrone/observation round it has an internal floating pin and a very small amount of tetryl. this is armed as soon as the round is fired and detonated when it hits something, this ignited the white phosphorus. its intended purpose isnt to explode and injure people, it was mainly for observation. though late war snipers used these rounds for effective use as the explosion, while tiny, caused enough fragmentation to tear and pull inside people, which in turn causes more injury.
if you refer to anti tank versions, then you can take the idea of the panzerfaust, these rounds do the same thing, post-war rounds have a very basic radar, but earlier versions rely on impact/sudden decelleration. after that the explosion is directed, not universal. and causes a jet of molten metal which can penetrate most tanks depending on range/angle etc.
and if you are actually talking about just bullets with explosives in them, then those were also made, they are called tank shells, because bullets with just an explosive mass does not do enough damage alone. (against vehicles mainly)
oh and to add onto your statement, no, you can't just add a random explosive, but the barrel will not blow up with adequate protection in the rear of the bullet. the gunpowder was already measured for the caliber and barrel thickness, and the rear of the bullet has enough balance to make sure it does not act odd mid-flight,(shifting mass) and enough protection to not break the bullet from the initial gunpowder shot.
It is magic, one of the rounds turned into a butterfly.
Dude I was gonna say big props to the butterfly casually rolling through and at that point well within range of the explosion as the ballistic was still falling
LOL the butterfly in the background at 14:30
14:25 Butterfly just floating around.
Karl-"I don't see a problem with using this ammo in war, war isn't civilized."
Also Karl-"I've never had to actually worry about what would happen to me in war"
(exceptionally paraphrased)
Well, the war on the Eastern Front _definitely_ wasn't civilized...
I can't imagine how rare this ammo is, so I'm deeply grateful that you documented it. "History became legend. Legend became myth." You've preserved a piece of history, somewhat ironically by destroying artifacts of that history.
Question: if exploding bullets are so effective why do modern armies bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers?🤔
Expensive and complicated to produce and unsafe to transport and store.
@@AncientRylanor69Exploding ammunition in small arms is banned by the Geneva Conventions.
you guys, the book descriptions are correct. the round can explode on a wrist . YOUR AMMO is so old it has a delay. normally this ammo explodes immediately on impact.
Please help me understand if EXPLODING BULLETS are so much more effective why do modern armies bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers?🤔🤔
Thank you.
@@AncientRylanor69 It breaks the Hague Convention
@@AncientRylanor69International law
@@olit-j9432 thanks
@ 07:11, the tension mounts!
The Finnish sniper Simo Häyhä aka "The White Death" was hit by a soviet explosive round in the face, blowing off half his jaw.
He lived to tell the tale tho.
I always thought that exploding rounds of .300 or less was a complete gimmick, and a hollow point/ soft point would be more effective. I was wrong. You did a great job on this video. Long time sub on forgotten weapons, new sub to InRangeTV
Guess you only need a few grams of explosive if its exploding inside you.
I always knew it was worse. U are an idiot
Gsfbffx Pdhhdf I can tell you don’t have firearm experience.
@@gsfbffxpdhhdf7043 Historically anything that had an explosive charge was 11mm and up. The oft cited reason for this being that anything smaller didn't have the necessary space to store an effective amount of explosive charge.
Even modern day militaries with our modern manufacturing capabilities don't put an explosive charge into anything below 12mm.
@@alephkasai9384 It's not because of technical limitations, it's because the geneva convention forbids firing explosive or incendiary ammo at humans. (But 155mm shells and grenades are ok...) As a side note it also forbids hollow point in military use despite it being the standard in police enforcement these days..
In the early 1990s, I bought an M44 and a large ziploc bag of surplus ammo.
The ammo was copper washed and had no paint markings on the projectiles, because someone had run it through a vibratory cleaner to make the copper clean/shiny.
Anyway, fast forward 10 years and I had sold my M44.
Found this bag of ammo.
Decided to pull the bullets with my kinetic bullet puller, to load in .303 Brit for my #4 Mk2.
Imagine my surprise when I dump the last bullet out of the puller, and it's a spotter round.
Pucker factor 15.
Pardon me, "I think I need to have a movement!" (another movie reference) Holy crap, seriously, if that had detonated?
@@BradfordGuy I imagine the the very least the OP would be down a hand.
I know this is late but, yikes.
This is why they tell you not to pull tracer ammo. Lol
@@pozsmith8207 There was no outward indication that it was a spotter. round. There were no paint markings or anything. It looked like garden variety commie FMJ.
Double thumbs up for capturing the butterfly in flight during that slow motion shot at 14:20
Photobombed by a Monarch in SloMo! LOL!
That's like the American version of cherry blossoms falling as a dude gets chopped up by a katanna.
I say triple because double just cancels your like.
And a Butterfly floats by. Classic. They work. Very well🏴👍😊
The Monarch Butterfly going past (14:28) didn’t hang around to examine the results! 🙈
The butterfly slow motion flyby was amazing. A complete anathema to the devastation of the bullet.
Imagine your just a butterfly minding your business and than
boom explosion
An incredible piece of history. This is one of my favorite videos you guys have done. Keep up the great work!
+Red Burton This was actually the first ever InRangeTV video - in retrospect we could have done better but the topic is pretty compelling regardless. ~Karl
What a cool factoid! Despite missing the opportunity to slow mo that one shot, I thought this video was fantastic. Thanks so much for what you do!
+InRangeTV How would this compare to dum dum rounds at this range?
Thanks for the reply, my curiosity is more around the idea of total damage with one vs the other since dum dums could do serious damage vs a normal round.
+InRangeTV I actually remember hearing about this a little a few years ago. I never really heard much about it though. Thank you guys for making this video!
That stuff is nasty. Can't imagine what it could do to a head.
Butterfly: Don't mind me just passing through.
Non-Explosive Bullet: Don't mind me just passing through.
"Nothing to see here, Citizens. Move along. Move along."
(Sung to the Tiny Tim song "I've got a brand new pair of roller skates, you've got a brand new key.") 🤯
@ 04:10 I thought the ballistic gel should have been much longer as it was obvious the little bomb went off after exiting.
9:38 it did not yaw into the concrete, it did not.......oh hi Mark...
I had an german WW2 Veteran as resident in our retirement home. He fought on the eastern front and his right arm looked like a swiss cheese. He told me, the russians used explosive rounds at some point and i saw the healed wounds from those horrific rounds. Two rounds impacted centimeters away from the bones but detonated at the skin. Still the wounds healed, he had two big craters on his arm. He died two years ago.
Question: if exploding bullets are so effective why do modern armies bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers?
thank you
@@AncientRylanor69 The Geneva Convention. The same reason hollowpoint rounds are not permitted to be used in war either. Naturally, both sides ignored the Geneva Convention on the Eastern Front.
@@mediocrefunkybeat thanks
@mediocrefunkybeat Eastern front was a brutal, brutal war.
I’m certain the Germans didn’t start this. The Germans signed both the Hague conventions in conduct of land warfare and the Geneva conventions, both of which forbade use of explosive rounds and dumb, dumb bullets. The Russians did not sign both of these treaties. They just gone through 24 years of Bolshevik genocides and madness. Madness in Germany only started in 1934.
Try the same thing, but make a ballistics soap ball, and put a steel helmet on it.
I wanna see if it will trap the explosion inside the helmet
I encourage you to waste your own money using antique ammo my friend
I was looking to see if anyone else was going to suggest showing the effects in a ground troop helmet, to see if that changed the effect. Maybe using an Ivan Zombie Head?
14:24
Monarch butterfly just minding its own business
I'm pretty sure that's a viceroy butterfly
at least im not the only one that saw that. i had to watch again cuz i was sure it was a joke. wow!
5:52........That was alot of smoke from the chamber....was that a blown primer or a case head failure with that K98k? ont the other hand, this video is solid proof that too much fun can be had with guns, explosives and no one gettin' hurt.....
Butterfly was pretty lucky :) 14:27
Explosions, giant wound cavities, shuttered bones, butterflies - you can't get a better video than that.
I love how shook he got after seeing it actually work. Maybe he really thought it was all made up. I too would be shook. We all know ww2 was unimaginably gruesome, but with those rounds being real. it just gives you a whole other perspective to how much more gruesome it was. Not only that but what else were they using that we have yet to find.
I completely agree
Interesting that dum-dum cartridges were banned but this was not. Russians were actually early adopters of dum-dum round, they used it in Ruso-Japanese war (and Japanese were really angry about it) and even in WWI and Russian Revolution. Not consistently, mind you, they were issued to officers in case of emergency and used sparingly. I bet there were some dum-dum cartridges in usage in WWII in Red Army.
@@jakublulek3261 no need to get caught up with such small details in an enormous relentless bloodbath, hey?
@@jakublulek3261 Actually, they were banned. They were forbidden to be used by troops. The problem is that these bullets were originally meant by aircraft where the explosive charge is meant to ignite fuel tanks or make seeing hits easier. Then things get ugly enough that both sides started throwing banned bullets at each other.
After seen the video i thought about those photos of Staligrad with the streets full of bodies, and feel grated of the snow hiding those horrible injuries. That way, those photos look sad instead of horrorific.
So basically... aim for the thicc boi for maximum effect
Aim for Sergi.
Aim for Goering
protecc attacc etc.
this is why loosing weight is healthy!
Fatshaming!
The first two shots of German through the cube of ballistics gel were the biggest two exit wounds I’d ever seen in my life.
At 14:00, I spat out my whiskey.
I don’t like swearing on videos like these, but fucking hell
Have all the humane treaties of war you like, but the second total war breaks out again I can’t imagine anyone not issuing that as standard.
Great! I read the book earlier. Thanks that you prooved it.
Steel helmets, body armor or soft cover would definitely cause these rounds to have more affect on soft targets.
Sillygoose210 _ not to mention winter clothing, equipment or regular uniforms
+John La Duke Im almost certain this would cause instant shock. it would basically remove everything between your diaphragm and calfs.
+I need no channel youtube!
more like turn it into mincemeat.
also a round that have flown for several 100meters is going to be traveling slower and be more likely to explode indeed a bodey
They tested that with reproduction German trench armor. Needless to say, it does.
I know this video is almost 5 years old, but I wonder how much this effect would've changed at sniper ranges, say 300 to 500 yards, with what by then would be a much slower moving bullet.
Gives the "BOOM, HEADSHOT!" meme a whole new meaning.
On 14:24 a butterfly flies above destroyed ballistic gelatin in slo-mo. Strangely beautiful.
There are new york city apartments smaller than that exit cavity
Imagine an MG42 loaded with this stuff
Justin Mitchell
Don't think MG42 fires full length/strength 7.92 But a weaker version. M2 firing .50 BMG explosive ammo is probably the closest you'll get.
Justin Mitchell warplanes fire this kind of ammunition, but with even bigger bullets
Imagine an M2 loaded with Raufoss rounds (armor-piercing explosive incendiary).
Ma Deuce is surprisingly anti-climactic when lighting up a car with M8 incendiary, but the SLAP rounds make funny looking silvery confetti that sparkles.
We had to burn off many cases of ammo that were a no-no for use on missions, so we did a huge spend-ex at Udairi weapons range.
Simon Lamoureux Same ammo as the rifle
8:44 [...]"and that fits exactly what we've seeing so far"
German bullet 11 sec later: Halt mein Bier
The butterfly flying through the slow mo footage is so majestic.
Amazing presentation
6:34 if you're using ammo from ww2 and not ammo made to ww2 specs, then a huge factor is time. The chemicals inside the projectile could've degraded over time, causing them to detonate a little later.
This is ammo for warplanes machine guns, this bullet explode little time later because must break the sheet metal and ignite aviation fuel
This ammo would be a perfect for hunting. You can save the food preparation, the goulash is ready to cook in a second.
Honestly I never expect that huge explosion effect from 7.62 and 8 mm rounds . Impressive and horrific !
2 years later, do you realise that this video has become reference and been mentioned dozens or more times on most firearm channels, noice :)
i like how theres a butterfly flying over in slowmotion in 14.25
This Butterfly
.50 BMG Raufoss MK 211 rounds use the same principle and are in current use by the U.S. military. In fact, it was the standard issue ammo for my M-82A1 SASR rifle in the Marine Corps.
Wow its so true.
"The official stance of the Norwegian Government is that the 12.7 mm MP round should not be used against personnel, but an exception has been made for snipers using the round - due to the practical limitations of snipers having to change the type of ammunition used when switching between hardened and soft targets"
The government uses laziness as the deciding factor?
@@Leeeeegion Norwegian army still uses this type of ammo to this day for it's .50 cal MG's afaik, it certainly did when I had my obligatory year of duty in the army. Bear in mind, even with standard FMJ 0.50 cal, if you hit a human body you're turning it into minced meat, so might as well use explosive rounds and be done with it.
Not laziness. You may lose your shot in the time it takes to switch rounds
Dustin Castro plus the undue movement in a position may be the last cock-up they make 🤷🏻♂️
As a former Soldier, who served in Vietnam, I am here to tell you, if I was being shot, I would pray that the enemy was following those conventions simply because I may well live to see my family if hit with standard solid core ammo, not so much if hit by that nasty stuff. That, I believe is the reason for those attempts to civilize an uncivilized process.
And I am glad the police (supposedly) stopped using the hollow point and fragmentation rounds.
@@marshallschaffer3721 I'm not sure where you are or what you have heard, but the police around me...and indeed most agencies in the USA use a hollow point of some variation. You may not be interested in the reasoning but it is as much for the safety of bystanders as it is to more quickly stop the bad guys. If you know you're going into a fight you bring a rifle. The pistol is easier to carry and can be there when you don't know when that fight might happen. Thus it is what they have with them and so they make it as effective as possible.
@@transtubular pistol hollow point have more stopping power, but not necessary is deadlier than ball.
@@doombringer3498 Dead is dead. When it is you facing a foe that is intent on killing you do you want to stop him now, or in 3 minutes?
If someone comes to my country and trying to invade my land.. there is no rules for me!!!! Don't go where you don't belong!!!
Man... This is the type of stuff that drives home the sentiment that i am glad not to be fighting a war. Holy shit.
Really enjoyed this video
🦋 @ 14:25 for the win in slo-mo!
Probably been said but the issue is to do with the velocity.
At your current range the bullet is moving too fast, at a further range you'll see it go off inside the target more reliably. (going slower = more time in target)
That butterfly at 14:27 Was lucky it didnt feel like coming in to land haha
Simo Häyhä was such a badass he survived an explosive round to the face!
Thanks for sharing!
14:26 Omg this butterfly is pretty fucking brave
I do find it odd that we think its OK to use bombs, mines and artillery shells that literally blast people to shreds. But shooting someone with a bullet that causes similar (acutally much less compared to close artillery shell burst) damage is considered ethically wrong?
"The death of one is a tragedy , the death of millions is just statistic."
The backwards thinking of humanity in a nutshell.
There was also some grenade launching device banned a couple years back, because you'd measure the distance to your target with it and send the projectile out to explode above for example, raining down shrapnel and whatnot.
I think it has something to do with the fact that wen u get artillery shelled they don't gotta worry bout sewing u up, bc like u said u r now in shreds. But if u get hit with one of these an some act of the lord above or whatever u believe in keeps u alive then they got a nasty wound to try to fix... Same thing with serrated bayonets right? Atleast kind of, an same thing with the Germans being pussies about the shotgun (if made a nasty wound for them to fix if the poor sap that got shot lived...
Not to mention the fact that an exploding bullet wouldn't cause very much collateral damage. Compared to missiles that destroy entire towns.
During the war between Russia and Finland finish sniper Simo Hayha ( he was also called the white death, in a 100 day stretch he had over 500 kill's) was shot in the left side of his face with one of those exploring rounds. The round blew off a large chunk of his face and that tough S.O.B survived his wounds and went on to die of natural causes at a very old age 👍😀
I've heard that bullet penetrated right cheek and exploded against left side jaw bone tearing his jaw inside out, I heard this from one old man who said he talked about it with Häyhä himself
@@PeliKarhu600 well that man was wrong.
@@ScooterLee-ei1ep how so?
@@PeliKarhu600 went in his left check and exploded.
Stealing directly from Wikipedia-
"On the 6 March 1940, Häyhä was hit in his lower left jaw by an explosive bullet fired by a Red Army soldier. He was picked up by fellow soldiers who said that 'half his face was missing'"
Also if you look at photos of him, his right cheek looks okay while all the damage seems to be on his left
Soviets used exploding bullets in winter war so i bet they started using it first. I have found couple Soviet exploding rounds Winterwar battlefields.
Even Simo Häyhä took one in the head.
Correction, he took one to the face.
@@SSD_Penumbra and the madman survived
@@GTAmaniac1 Not only that, but he was only *slightly* perturbed by it.
Please help me understand if EXPLODING BULLETS are so much more effective why do modern armies (especially NATO armies) bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers?🤔🤔
Thank you.
@@AncientRylanor69 they cost more and you can take down a man with normal bullet.
And i think exploding bullets are against Geneva convention atleast to use against people.
Excellent vid.
Enlightening.
We need this for the civilian market
This popped up in my suggested videos, over a year after I initially saw it. Still blew my mind, I totally forgot that y'all got a positive result on the latter block. Great shit, guys
Admiral Percy "blew my mind"
Pun intended?
I would suspect the performance would improve at range, less velocity going THROUGH the target. The round slowing a bit may allow it to detonate earlier in the target
With the Feldbluse, hairstyle and beard, Karl (name fits too) looks like a genuine Hauptfeldwebel of the actual German Armed Forces *lol*
14:22 is the most majestic shot I’ve ever seen.
Mister Torgue sheds a tear.
That's gotta hurt! (Oh look, a butterfly!)
Bloom County. Thanks for the "classic."
You talking about the rounds or the sunburn
Random butterfly at 14:25. Symbolic?
Rasgonras maby
in the 1930 oscar awarded movie "Im Westen nichts Neues" /"still on the western front" i believe is the english title, the main character Paul Bäumer dies in the last scene after 3 years in the horrors of war by peaking over the trench in order to chatch a butterfly and getting shot in the head by a sharpshooter. the last scene of the movie is his hand getting limp and lifless resting on a k98.
The beauty of the butterfly in the slow mo forage tho. 14:22
Brings back memories of the movie, "All Quiet On The Western Front".
Did anybody else notice the butterfly? 14:24
I think I might know what's happening here. Using original ammo is great, but it's 70 years old and the explosive inside the round could have degraded and became slower over time. The Russian bullet have used a charge with a different chemistry and held up better over time. Another possibility is this is intentional, and intended to be used to penetrate soft cover (wood, etc.).. and *then* detonate. The third possibility is inconsistency in manufacture from lot to lot. All of this is speculation, of course.
as Pickleman said "Snipers would also be at a further range so the bullet's velocity would be less" so there's that too I guess
I was just thinking on similar lines, perhaps what we are seeing is the explosive round equivalent of a hang fire
Russian ammo ABSOLUTELY was not made for exploding after penetration of anything. The PZ stands for "Пристрелочный зажигательный"("Training incendiary"). It was made to detonate on impact so you could correct your fire even in the daytime when tracer round would not be that effective. So, it was basically ammo for aircraft machineguns (like ShKAS, which used the same 7,62x54 mm R rounds as Mosin rifles), and the fact that it ended up in hands of infantry, not mentioning the snipers is only due to critical lack of supplies in the red army at the beginning of the war due to massive retreating. So, there was no real intention to use explosive ammo on Germans in Soviet military, it was simply impossible not to, otherwise, soldiers would be fighting with even worse ammo supply conditions then they were already.
My first thought as well. Close to 80 years old ammo? I could imagine the stuff probably isn't as effective as it was in the year after it was made.
I remember finish sniper Simo Häyhä getting shot in the face with the Russian variant of these rounds. If you Google his image, you can see the terrible results. it also left the man in a coma for a while.
but he could still talk
John Moses Browning Impressively enough he could, and even lived a long number of years after the war. Still, a chunk of his face was blown off. It's rather remarkable he had survived.
Didn't he get struck by artillery shrapnel? Not arguing, just interested in the source material.
Daishi no it was an exploding bullet
I think a 23mm HE shell struck near his face not a smaller bullet
hell I've got 200 rounds of this shit now that I know what it can do I say screw shotgun w 00 buck for home defence I'm using my gewehr 98 with b patrone
Slo-mo butterfly @ 14:22 - cool!
You said according to this "Book", to aim for the pelvis/hip. Yea..... that would remove the leg at the socket. Those are the sniper rounds that scare the shit out of a platoon if a guy gets hit. Just amazing.
Im Curious to see the effect of this on a modern ceramic plate.
"They didn't really care about russians", "It was kind of a different war out there".
How much pain is under those words. That is why my grandfather and grandfathers of my friends called german soldiers animals. And even now word "nazi" is an insult in Russia.
Both of these sides didnt care about the other ... because when the red army had finally occupied Germany there were quite a few rapes of women and girls ... which didnt really happen on the other front. Its all the consequence of dehumanising propaganda that enabled it. Oh and the British/US forces might not have used this kind of ammunition, but they did use flame throwers to "cook people alive".
tl;dr War is a dirty business and most of the time there are no "good and noble" sides.
Violence makes violence.
Muck006 though there was exeptions. For example, my grandmother (she is now 82) survived the blocade of Leningrad (St. Petersburg) being about to 5 years old. When she and a bunch of other people crossed the river on a boat there was a german Junkers flying above. He dropped the bombs in the river far from their boats and flew away. Later she knew that soviet radio operators could talk to some german pilots and they agreed not to bomb boats with civilians, even though pilots were told to do so. She told me that story herself.
If I remember well is when I was in the military I was told that the purpose of shooting is to stop the enemy not necessarily killing.
I can see that. Wounding a man potentially takes two men out of a fight, and is more of a drain on your enemy’s resources than a dead man.
@@TheSeanoops I've always heard that this was the main reason for banning hollow points in war. Not that some countries care! Looking at you United States, always cheating and committing war crimes.
Done some work for a client where we had to tape the blocks after testing and filled them with palsto of paris or inject epoxy into the smaller ones and let them set, then we removed the soap to reveal the cavity and later epoxy coated the castings, then we made a soft robber mold that could be used to recast the cavity if needed. We later were told they were for a military medical training centre for gun shoot wounds training, They may make a talking point at the hunting lodge or in the man cave too.
I first heard of explosive bullets while reading about WWI flyers while in high school in the early 60s. I thought they meant dum-dum bullets. However, Kiffin Yates Rockwell, the first American with the Lafayette Squadron to shoot down an enemy plane, was killed with one.
You can google Kiffin Yates Rockwell and read the article in the Citizen Times. The account of his death is in the fourth paragraph from the end under the heading "Taking to the Skies". For some reason I can't paste this as a link.
guess they used them before the order to only use them between the russians and germans
@@Baigle1 His buddies were so concerned about the devastating wound he received, they took pictures and campaigned to have explosive bullets outlawed. This must have been accomplished after the war.
Karl: "I don't know about this..."
Ian: "LOOK AT THE BONES"
Is this what we would call an incentive to get in shape?
Can't help but imagine that if you were a bit overweight the damage these rounds would do just to the torso would be hideous.
CairnieR the rusian would definitely not be overweight
MISTER actually some of the commissars and guys in charge would be. Targets that snipers would be very interested in.
haha but they would have left none for the private
Heavy clothing during winter would make a difference
There would be very few Russians or Germans that were overweight. Both sides had severe food shortages
Damn. This ammo is nuts
oh my goodness my gut turned in knots seeing the devastation of the thicker tests. this is a true testament of why the geneva convention states normal full metal jacked ammo. the thought of being hit by one of these is terrorizing
*Hague convention
avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/dec99-03.asp
I believe the word you guys were looking for, is "catastrophic" to describe effect of the wound result of this ammo!
The Soviets used exploding ammunition during the Winter War against Finland.
wouldnt this kind of ammo have greater effect if it where hitting a target with combat gear, magazines, backpack etc ?
I would recommend sticking a thin piece of steel over the balistic soap that might give a different injury effect
wait so, if the kar98 and mg42 shoot the same ammo then...
how devastating would a mg42 loaded with b-patrone be
very devastating probably is the answer (though given how many rounds MG42 fire, it would've been effective without it anyway)...
but if a sniper doesn't even get many of these rounds to carry with them then i think it's reasonable to assume that these rounds are far too few and valuable to waste as troop machine gun ammunition (aircraft would be different story and iirc, they do use them in aircraft but it's worth it for aircraft given the nature of their job and the value of each plane they can shoot down)
imagine expending 1200 rounds of these a minute for an infantry squad ... when the snipers hardly get more than a few of these rounds to use... it would be such a colossal waste of premium ammunition better served for other specialist and platform (that can better utilize such rounds) with more efficient use...
@@IonoTheFanatics Exactly. You are correct that conventional ball ammunition in the MG42 is more than adequate. Other than for AA purposes, I cannot imagine what benefit there would be to loading an MG42 with these rounds--infantry are squishy enough to be easily mowed down by the 7.92x57mm ball round, and anything tougher (i.e. half tracks or tanks) would require AP rounds or a bigger gun. The advantage to using these against aircraft is that whilst a regular ball round will just punch a .30 caliber hole through the aircraft, these explosive rounds will put bigger holes and have a better chance of damaging something vital--coolant lines, fuel tanks, hydraulic systems, etc.
But even then, by the time the Germans started using this sort of ammo, you'd want something a bit bigger than a .30 caliber machine gun to take down aircraft--everyone except the USAAF was using cannons of 20mm or larger as their primary aircraft weapons, with the .30 cal machine guns as backup.
The shockwave proves to be capable of doing horrendous damage to the internal organs besides the initial horrific wound.
If EXPLODING BULLETS are so effective why do modern armies bother issuing any thing else to there soldiers?
@@AncientRylanor69cost and the Geneva convention.
@@spearfisherman308 thanks