I think the worst part about this is the fact that he purchased it from a dealer. The fact that he purchased it means that he commissioned exactly what he wanted from the sex traffickers that were torturing those poor children. Watsuki is an accomplice in sex trafficking. This is far worse than just being in possession of cp.
Honestly as disgusting as it sounds, in 30 years pedos (or as they call themselves now MAP, Minor-Attracted People) are probably going to get their "rights". While it sounds crazy but the same thing was said about Homos 50 years ago. The situation is fucked
I think it's actually harder to separate the art from the artist when you love a series so much. And I think it's because you will not only feel disgust about the author actions, you will feel genuinely disappointed in a person you looked up to and anger towards him/her because they will forever taint your favorite piece of art, something you love deeply and it will never be the same for you
I think it's weirdly the opposite for me. R Kelly was a massive part of my childhood. My mum would play so many of his songs on weekends when doing chores etc. After he got arrested for what he did I pretty much blanket banned all his music. What made it so hard to listen to was his songs uplifting people such as world's greatest or I believe I can fly but behind closed doors he was a abusing women and young girls. It just adds an uncomfortable taint on the music like if I listen to it now what he's done is always in the back of my mind. Just me tho I acknowledge people may feel different
@@kylekgh yeah I hear this. Part of what makes it hard with Lostprophets is that the singer is the one doing the CP stuff, so it's unavoidable listening to any of their music.
A similar case recently is Act-age author, who molested middleschool girls on his bicycle. The manga was so good, and the artist did nothing wrong. But the crimes of the author ruined the manga for me 😢
For me, it's pretty different. I got into Rurouni when I was a kid who didn't care about writers or anything of the sort. I took in stories for what it was, not what happened around it and I fell in love with the story. I held onto that love for years and years and when I learned about the mangaka, I wasn't too hurt because I never associated that man with the story I held so dear to me anyway. Maybe if I got into Rurouni later in life, this would've ruined it for me, but the time period I experienced it in really stopped me from feeling that way.
He was not only found in possession of that disgusting material, he was found with so much of it that the authorities suspect him of being a distributor. That's beyond disgusting, not even taking into account that he literally got away with it.
Honestly as disgusting as it sounds, in 30 years pedos (or as they call themselves now MAP, Minor-Attracted People) are probably going to get their "rights". While it sounds crazy but the same thing was said about Homos 50 years ago. The situation is fucked
This one when I found out freaking hurt me. Ruroni Kenshin genuinely made me think about my own personal belief and feelings and actually helped me grow as a person. I loved the story and the characters and the themes but after this came out I haven’t touched it since. I don’t even want to watch it since i have no idea if it actually supports him and I hate that he got off so easily. Just a big shit show
@@lordtette Yup it's sad. It's hypocritical that many of these authors write stories about children overcoming adversity, but then openly supported a man who victimizes children.
The worst part about all of this is that it's entirely his fault. It's not like some third party came in and ruined everything but the creator specifically fucked up.
This hurt alright, I grew up with Kenshin. Kenshin was one of the shows that taught me about kindness and being caring toward others. Hearing that news, it truly hurt.
It’s absolutely disgusting that many authors supported his comeback. Those authors also have children? Like it makes me wonder if they just care about their friend
Its almost like they are supporting his work instead of his crime. Do you get angry everytime someone plays a Michael Jackson track on the radio? You going to yell at someone who sings an R Kelly song? no one gives a shit about your purity test Karen. So many comments here like yours acting like the moral authority of what should and shouldn't be allowed. You aren't so great yourself Karen with a slave labor phone.
I've struggled with the whole 'separating art from the artist' bit for quite a while now. And hearing about the author of Rurouni Kenshin just opened up some wounds. There is this movie, Jeepers Creepers directed by Victor Salvo, and it's by far one of my favorite horror movies from the early 2000s. Even during interviews, he gave such a perspective on horror and storytelling that it was inspiring. I thought he was an intelligent artist and it inspired me to work harder with my own personal craft. Then I found out he is a repeat child offender. He even SA several of his child actors on one of his movies. When I found out I was really bummed out, disgusted, and felt like I've been lied to. How are you supposed to take the art seriously now knowing who and what the person had done? And now, with Rurouni Kenshin the feeling is even more exaggerated. This was a series I grew up with in the 90s, hell my mom introduced me to it. It was a core staple into my otaku filled childhood. This was a series I looked forward to watch on Toonami. I invested in the books in high school and sharing them around helped me build a small core friend group. I drew to match the style in the manga and improve my art. Now this all came out, what the hell. It's like the equivalent of having someone you know come up to you, take your stuff, piss on it, and hand it right back to you.
The thing is most celebrities and artists have inner demons. Like Michael Jordan is known to be an a-hole outside the court even though the media portray him as a cool guy to hang with. Hulk Hogan was also a fan favorite but when inside the locker room. he's also the biggest ego maniac out there, not even mentioning his racial controversy outside the ring.
@drakecassell1840 To me there is really little difference between the two. To me having possession of CP is just the first step before committing an actual crime. That and the fact that children had to suffer for that material to be produced, is just SA by proxy.
I got a great piece of advice about Jeepers Creepers- you can separate the arr and the artist UNTIL THEY MAKE IT A PART OF THE ART. If an artist is racist, (a word we throw around kind of arbitrarily at this point) you don't have to obtain a degree in Social Justice to dismiss their views on *redacted * UNTIL THEY MAKE IT PART OF THE ART.
"Ruined his legacy" man's being honored and celebrated by Shonen Jump and many legendary Mangaka. This thing is just sadly not a big deal in Japan and he'll continue living his life like nothing happened.
It’s so funny how often UA-camrs try and create “their truth”. So many times hit pieces will come out saying “so and so’s career is over” even though it’s the 30th hit piece made on them. Greatness will never be canceled.
@@VashTheDamnFiendGreatness? Is that what you call a man who admitted to being attracted to elementary schoolers? A man who held so much illegal material he was initially believed to be a dealer/trafficker? A man who used the money he made from his work to fund all this? Who kept it all in his artist's studio and would presumably view to "let off steam" between working on pages?
The most revolting thing about all this was not only the fact that he had possession of content characterized as CP, but the total way in which the Japanese reacted, and even more Shueisha, and the Japanese media practically softened his case, and even worse, making a remake of the work knowing that Nobuhiro will continue to earn under the rights to his work, Meanwhile, female idols suffer at the hands of the entertainment industry and society, they are mocked, that is Japanese society.
It's long history of abuse. There'a reason perv old men are in anime and manga. It means it's common in real life. If an old man is pervy, that means he was a perv in his youth as well. The way that did non consensual sex in WWII was ruthless and brutal, and they destroyed the records. I'm not surprised an important person was softened though. It happens here in the US as well. Michael Jackson might have done some wrong to some individuals as well.
@@marikothecheetah9342 The US is much better. The US, at the very least, recognizes most wrongs when it rears it's head. Japan doesn't. The US recognizes their interment camps during WW2 was wrong and compensated the victims. Japan elects a prime minister that denies their war crimes and says their war criminals were heroes. The US recognizes blatant racism and knows it's wrong. Japan's best selling book is a book about how inferior Korean people are. The US has laws in place to prevent discrimination. Japanese restaurants purposely discriminate against Korean people to such a degree there are blogs dedicated to help Korean tourists from ending up with food poisoning while on vacation. And as mentioned in the video, the US made child abuse material illegal in the 1970s while it took Japan until 2015 to barely give slaps on the wrists.
What a coincidence!! I was just talking about this incident with someone on Twitter yesterday! Off-topic... You see, on June 16th this year, a popular Japanese actor, Kento Nagayama (who plays Keisuke Baji in the live-action version of Tokyo Revengers movies), got arrested on the grounds of marijuana possession and because of this drug scandal, he was departed from 4 popular drama series that he was working on or would be working on. The thing is, in Japan, whoever gets caught smoking weed, their whole life/career gets completely destroyed; basically, your career is over for sure (a lot of celebrities who were arrested for possessing marijuana in the past got their career destroyed in the blink of an eye). On Twitter, people were saying so many mean things about Kento even though this man had never committed any heinous crimes before or didn't have a big scandal attached to his name until now. It's a hot topic in Japan now because the release date of the 2nd Tokyo Revengers live-action movie got delayed because of this scandal. What I'm trying to say is that, yes possessing drugs is illegal in Japan, and yes, Kento Nagayama did something which he shouldn't have done, but compare to what the manga author of Rurouni Kenshin (Watsuki) did, the film actor Kento Nagayama is innocent and shouldn't be held that big of a guilty. Like Watsuki was arrested for possessing CP yet he's still out there living the life of a free man and still working on his manga and meanwhile, film actor Kento is going through a very tough time cause he smoked some weed. So, you're right... Japan's laws and regulations are REALLY weird.
@@iffatbushrasuhi2860 Thanks for pointing this out. Sadly this is the case in some other places around the world (On the top of my head a very similar situation had happened in Canada). But thanks for spreading the word.
Also related to the Rurouni Kenshin, the actor who played Aoshi in the live action Rurouni Kenshin movies, Yusuke Iseya (also played Jotaro in the live action JJBA DIU movie) also got caught for doing drugs as well (i forgot if it's marijuana or cocaine). That's probably why he get so little screen time in the last movie and then Aoshi wasn't seen again afterwards. He only appeared early during a fight with Yatsume and then after that he just disappear for the rest of the film.
Rurouni Kenshin is one of my favorite mangas, and I find it absolutely devastating that it was written and drawn by an author that was into CP - personally tho, I separate art from artists, and that’s the only reason I can keep loving the manga. I can understand why it’s hard for others tho, absolutely. And I think the creator got off too easy too.
My point of view as a reader and fan of Kenshin since the early 2000s: the manga is good, the characters endearing and there's nothing wrong with loving this universe. However, even though his graphic style influenced mine when I was still dreaming of being an illustrator back in the day, Watsuki can burn in hell.
Maybe from a Westerners perspective he got off easy, but in Japan, that kinda stuff isn't even a big deal. Like, the age of consent in some areas was 13 until just a few months ago. Not tryna sound like I'm defending the decision though, just trying to say that while we think it's terrible, it's not really a big deal somewhere else
Yeah, hang the guy for all I care, Japan but it makes no difference to the art. Plenty of great works were made by sick men throughout all of human history, it’s not the inanimate objects fault. Edgar Allen Poe is never acknowledged as an pedo and that’s just one of many many examples because people don’t want to have to bury these “great works” 🤷♀️
@@HennyVenny love the comment man, and yea I’ll always love Kenshin. I’m still hyped for the anime no one can take that away from me personally, and it’s still one of my favorite mangas ever, hell even just media, stories whatever it can be thrown under lol
It's actually disgusting that guy got away with literal CP with just a couple thousand dollars I personally think he should have served more than 20 years in prison for that
I think the factor that determines whether people separate the art from the artist is whether they have been exposed to the art before the artist has been exposed as a deviant. The more familiar someonebis with a work of art, the more the art has created an identity of its own in the minds of the viewer apart from the artist.
Interesting observation. Edit: To add to that, I would say people have an issue with supporting Rurouni Kenshin because they're afraid they're supporting the author's "consumption" somehow. And, not to sound macabre, perhaps after the author "expires", people will generally be more comfortable seeing his work, since he's not benefiting from it.
I love Kenshin as a kid and knew about long before I knew he was a pervert. When I figured out what he did, it ruined the entire franchise for me. I'm not willing to forgive a pedo for my personal entertainment. There are a lot of anime and manga out there.
I don’t blame people for enjoying the art, I blame them for defending the artist. Even if the art is the artist’s creation, it’s an "entity" by itself, specially considering anime by itself it’s a collective work. The art is not at fault for his creator’s mess. But a lot of people don’t really know how to separate the art from the artist, specially when the artist is a bad person.
It’s more maddening that Shueisha would allow such a heinous criminal back in one of their magazines. He already got pretty much no punishment and you’re allowing him back into the fray just to help your bottom line.
@@big3fanboy19 The author himself in his deposition said he liked girls from elementary school age to second year of middle school. So how comfortable are you defending the equivalent of the Subway guy? Especially since that guy is in his late 40s to early 50s? Do you need a trip in the party van too?
@@24hr-Gaming you'd be surprised, what japan was like back then. Japan was a horribly disgusting place and in some places it still is. some parts still has the age of consent as 13. It's really fucked.
I grew up with this series as a kid back in 2006, when i picked up my first volume of the Rurouni Kenshin manga. The anime also showed on Toonami and i never forgot Kenshin's theme and T.M Revoultion's "Heart of Sword" song that played during the end credits. The series was something I loved and thoroughly enjoyed reading. Then...I heard about what he did and the CP...everything shattered around me. I couldn't believe it, one of my heroes, one of my inspirations...was this type of person. Even now, it's hard to keep reminding myself of all that. I have the series sitting on my shelf, every volume collected from the main series...I've argued the idea about separating the art from the artist before, and although i can sorta do that with Kenshin, it still leaves bile in the back of my throat.
How RK getting remakes and movies after this news dropped about Nobuhiro is astounding to me. I haven’t been able to look at his stuff the same since I found out. I grew up with Rurouni Kenshin so the news shook me
It explains why some older manga or anime becomes disturbing when you realize how young the characters are. Nothing like starting an ecchi and realizing they are middle schoolers. I am glad it is getting cleaned up and this is no longer the case.
My understanding was that _simple possession_ in regards to the stuff was the only thing legal until 2014 (it may have been the product of an unintentioned legal loophole), after which point they initially had a turn-in period for product that had been possessed prior to the passage of that law-- but he didn't turn in the stuff by the time the period lapsed.
@@gallaghergreen2053 it is still predominantly the case, for example the dress-up-darling show, marin kitagawa, the character we see be half-naked in the first fucking episode is 16 lol, at least its getting better i guess.
@@beanhunter4647 RIGHT??? I actually really love that series because I am into sewing myself. But I didn't like they are so young. They could be 18 and started on college and it would work just fine. Like Rent-A-Girlfriend, works great having them college aged. They often make them so young it hurts the storyline because it doesn't make sense.
Jump let him continue only putting the Kenshin Sequel which is running in Jump SQ on hiatus during the trial, but afterwards he is allowed to continue working on it and publish it in Jump. While Act Age was canceled (after speaking with the artist) because of the actions the author did. Seems like Kenshin is such a big money cow for Shueisha that they let it slip, which is actually really disappointing.
While what they both did is horrible, I would put what Act Age author did was far worst than Watsuki. I think if Watsuki did what Act Age author did, Kenshin would have been cancelled as well.
@@neunix9443 details are hard to come back, but whatever it was, it was to 2 different minors on school grounds. At first I heard he expose himself to them. Later reports sound like he physical touch them as well.
It also does not hurt that the biggest cash cow in the industry, his pal Oda, intervened on his behalf, who also helped save the career of the guy that made Toriko who also had some disgusting stain in his past of similar nature. Money and connections that's why nobodies (in comparison) like that Act Age guy get thrown under the bus, as they should be, but they just hid Watsuki under the shade while the heat lasted and then is business as usual.
This is disgusting and absolutely TERRORIFYING; because young girls DO enjoy manga, yes Shonen isn't MARKETED towards them, but they do like them. That means he could VERY VERY VERY easily manipulate that power dynamic, as well as the one that's already there with the age gap. And it is scary, because Japan DOESNT take sexual crimes against women and children seriously AT ALL. Women are attacked, stalked, and preyed on and it is seen as "no big deal". I remember seeing a video about a "business" teenage girls would work for, in which they basically are rented out to older men for a day to go on a "date". Nothing sexual is done, but the whole idea is WEIRD and wrong!
I remember when I first heard about the death of Mister Rogers, my first thought was: "Please, please, PLEASE, don't let us ever find out that he was secretly diddling kids all these years! He was such a kind, sweet, and wholesome part of my childhood. For the love of God please don't ruin the perfect image of this man that I have in my head, by having someone come out and accuse him of being a pedo. Please!"
People didn't wait until he was dead to accuse him of such things. But I think it's because they didn't know what to think of his genuinely soft nature. People thought he had to be hiding something. Fortunately, he was the real deal. A very, very rare thing in this day and age. We'll probably not see his like in our lifetime.
To be honest I take information about someone after their death with a grain of salt (well more specifically more than a decade after their death). But yeah 5/10 they end up being proven some way or another.
@@wowthatslegit8990 yeah but idk, people really think that Shigeru Miyamoto made games by himself for example and that, as wrong as it is, was far closer to the truth than with games like BotW nowadays
100% Agree with your take on seperating the art from the artist. Its something that i dont personally struggle with (Especially cause i already own all the manga and will probably pirate the remake unless it ends up in Netflix or something so im certainly wont be contributing to the mans success) but lock me if if you ever catch me judging someone for not wanting to consume RK cause their not comfortable with it.
That's fair i'm not against pirating the remake but i'm not against supporting it either because its not just author that needs to get paid out of that staff. But i do think this show is also so popular that even if i pirated it if it becomes popular my pocket change wouldn't really change the outcome anyway.
@@DBZFANX1000 Yeah I get that. Authors barely get anything for adaptations anyway (Look up how much the Demon Slayer author made for Mugen Train) so I'm not against it per say just that I wouldn't go out my way to buy something I'm not already subscribed too.
@@projectmessiah yeah well i wasn't rurouni kenshin anyway so i probably won't support it regardles i'm kind of pirate anyway that usually supports stuff through merch or manga later. But i'm interested in the series to check it out.
@@DBZFANX1000 If your up to it I reccomend the manga or the og anime if the remake turns out ass. It looks decent enough so far though. The trust and betrayal ova which is a prequel is an absolute classic as well.
@@projectmessiah yeah if it does i migbt as well do that or read the manga since from what i hear anime didn't completely make it to the good stuff the manga had.
Kenshin was the first anime I watched after learning that anime and manga were a thing, probably one of my all time favourites, and it's a shame that because of this I don't feel comfortable sharing it with anyone else. I think that separating art from the artist in these scenarios is an important thing, because otherwise I'm contributing to and normalizing whitewashing any kind of abuse. And I wish that laws protecting minors in japan and worldwide were taken more seriously. It sucks
Inuyasha was my first anime my eyes had layed glanced on after learning how to walk and stuff but yeah after seeing Samurai X it had reminded me very much of it and had fell in love with the show... It does truly suck that the creator had gone down to the crazy monstrous side though claiming such insane 💩💩💩 no human should ever have so regularly.
Oh yeah that's true the minor thing though should be taken seriously but I feel like they are lowkey to blame themselves since they have an age set for what in Japan where they're allowed to get married so young? 👀👁👁 I just find that crazy in itself and am like you think someone's suppose to be surprised and act like a creep won't go to the highest low just to do something or get something out of someone??? SMH, Maaan people are weird and need to think better for sure.
Unfortunately we’re living in a time where people don’t care about serious offenses like this until it effects them personally or someone they care about by time anything is done the damage is nearly impossible to repair if at all.
@@Ginko50ecause a manga publishing company which one of their main demographic is young children is welcoming back a child predator, who either needs to be in jail or doing some serious rehabilitation if it’s available instead of making manga, he even out right admits that he’s into elementary and high school girls to the point that he owned so much pornography involving minors, which was made illegal in 2015 the government even gave orders to people who owned those materials before the law was passed to dispose of it which the author didn’t, the cops seriously thought he was a distributor. Even if he was making a decent amount of profit the company should’ve subtly tried cutting ties with him while searching for their next big product because from a business point of view he’s a liability that could ruin their reputation and business in the long run.
I love Rurouni Kenshin and was so betrayed when i learned about the mangaka. I hate him for that. But at the same time i cant help that the series is important to me and that i still love it. I am still excited for the new anime.
Look up his Wikipedia page, they bury his CP charges under the "career" tab. Someone is working overtime to make sure this man's skeletons remain hidden. For other entries, there usually would be a separate tab for 'controveries' but not this guy. They just wanna sweep shit under the rug.
Honestly, this is one instance where I think it's hard to separate art from artists. It was always weird to me that a teenage girl was being shipped with a 40-something-year-old man in his story
How does Japan have a 99% conviction rate, and yet there are mangaka's who gets away with possessing child porn and gets a less harsh punishment than someone getting caught with weed.
@@MoritakaLover010 yes thts true but you gatta understand if the government told you to get rid of copies of gta because it promotes violence in general would you comply right away, not to mention his house was searched.
OMG!! What a coincidence!! I was just talking about this incident with someone on Twitter yesterday! You know, on June 16th this year, a popular Japanese actor, Kento Nagayama (who plays Keisuke Baji in the live-action version of Tokyo Revengers movies), got arrested on the grounds of marijuana possession and because of this drug scandal, he was departed from 4 popular drama series that he was working on or would be working on. On Twitter, people were saying so many mean things about Kento even though this man had never committed any heinous crimes before or didn't have a big scandal attached to his name until now. It's a hot topic in Japan now because the release date of the 2nd Tokyo Revengers live-action movie got delayed because of this scandal. I mean, yes possessing drugs is illegal in Japan, and yes, Kento Nagayama did something which he shouldn't have done, but compare to what the manga author of Rurouni Kenshin (Watsuki) did, the film actor Kento Nagayama is innocent and shouldn't be held that big of a guilty. Like Watsuki was arrested for possessing CP yet he's still out there living the life of a free man and still working on his manga and meanwhile, film actor Kento is going through a very tough time cause he smoked some weed. Seriously... Japan's laws and regulations are REALLY weird.
@@seniorsterling1064Yes, if that shit can get me behind the bars, I would gladly throw my whole gta collection which I bought from my hard earned money.
For me, I just feel like I can't support his success more because of the financial implications. He's not going to stop being successful if I don't read his manga or watch his anime, but at the same time I think I would feel guilty further contributing to his financial success, especially if he's going to use that wealth to do horrible things like this. Obviously society has a better eye on him than before, but there's no guarantee that he wouldn't do this again if given the chance and it's possible he's still doing this and no one has caught wind of it or he's paying people off or they're ignoring it. Really sucks, Rorouni Kenshi is an incredible story - very hard to process if it's right or even acceptable to be a fan of the story.
I'm really shocked more people in this comment section are not talking about the financial implications of "separating art from the artist". I'm revisiting this video because lately its felt like everyone has forgotten what he did. His legacy hasn't been tarnished at all and I'm sure when he dies this will be but a speck of dust amongst the praises of his work...I just cannot understand people separating art from artist and directly promoting and putting money in a p*dos pockets like....how can they feel ok in doing that but still disgusted by his actions? its an amazing story but I don't understand how that can take precedence over his actions...its because of these people he's still successful and no one cares about hat he's done. he will never face anything for his crimes. idk....its so sad to me
I guess, better approach would be "separating art from the artist" while reading/watching their work BUT not buying it and not recommending it to other people if artist did something horrible. This way you don't put money in artists' pockets and don't contribute to their success
lets put it this way, hes a monster. he was found to have terabytes of child porn. so much so that the cops thought he was distributing it lol thats so fucked up. so many people talk about seperating art from the artist, but lets be real, if you were caught with child porn, you know you would feel completely ashamed of it and would do anything in your power to erase that.
Ruroken has a special place in my heart so it really hurts me how it became unseparabale from its creator's diagusting and also disappointing actions. I still admire this piece of work but can totally understand if someone who's not that close to the series doesn't intend to get involved with it anymore. So Kenshin still remains a precious "friend" of mine but we have to bear this scar forever.
I feel like it's impossible to separate the art from the artist when the artist put themselves in the art they make. An example is Dave Sim's Cerberes.
Kenshin was one of the best shounens out there, one I throughly enjoyed. But principles come first, I can very easily walk away from a product I enjoy knowing what it's attached to, knowing he still makes money from his craft and suffered no punishment for his crime. How a country chooses to do things is their business and people not from their should have no say, but I think an exception should be made when involving the welfare of children. This man should have been put UNDER the jail.
Tbf the author of Toriko paid a 16 year old prostitute to have sex and this incident dates back to 2002 (he was 26/27 yo at the time). Even if it is morally dubious it's not comparable to watching or producing cp where kids are abused.
It's not crazy at all. Hollywood has always been full of "talented" weirdos who do very bad stuff or are at least connected to people who do these things and they just keep their mouth shut to not end their career, same thing happens in Japan. The problem is Fandoms elevate artists to a high status, defending them while forgetting that they're just as flawed as any human being.
"I think people are really willing to draw that line until it's something they really enjoy or their favorite thing ever." -- No truer words have been spoken. A lot of people who are quick to condemn art because of the artist only do so because they have little to no stakes with regards to the art. But the moment they do, most make excuses how it's different. It is easy to hate on something when you had no love for it from the beginning. Hence, imo, people should just be honest about how they feel without making others feel bad about what they enjoy. Let us be honest that we are biased on what we are willing to sacrifice and accept that others have different opinions.
And the way the world works. Pdfs are from all times, and until manage to prevent them from being born, they will continue to be born and exist. The internet has just put a spotlight on them. Especially the worst of them, because worse crimes = better content.
My mindset when it comes to seperate art of the artist I think you perfectly fine to leave disengage from both, but I do think its fine to also seperate them. My reasoning for deciding this is that technically you can never tell who is bad. Anyone you buy from whether it be a company, a specific person, anyone can do bad things or have a bad background. And well.... Let's say i buy art from somebody and i know they did a crime. Well before that crime i thought the art was good the art hasn't changed my perspective has changed. This is why I don't mind it because I don't know any of these people to begin with I don't know oda I don't know togashi I don't know gege from jujutsu kaisen I only my vision of them, and the vision of their art. My vision of themselves is so small and so unknown that I only have their art and story so even if they turn out to be bad people their art was good when i knew them the art hasn't changed it didn't change color the moment i found out because this person was probably always that way then and i just didn't know. Edit: Now when it comes to supporting that artist by reading their story this is a bit controversial and hard to say some people say pirate, but I don't know if stealing is the right answer but i'm not against the idea.. All tho i think these things would get money regardless of what i do so i don't really think about it that much me alone can't support an artist *so if they do end up rich it was gonna happen regardless of my pocket money, which is what i use to not dwell on it too much, but I'm kind of a pirate anyway sometimes* What I wil say is that because the art doesn't involve the crime I feel more comfortable buying it because its not you nessecarrily supporting the crime you not supporting him for what he did you supporting the story he wrote if its seperate from it at least now if he writes some kind of sick real story about his actions thats even more controversial.
This is pretty much my mindset on the subject too, but I feel like thinking that they may do bad things and knowing they do bad things does change the way you think of the media to a certain extent, like I found out the Author of Kenshin was into CP midway through the manga, it felt kinda weird reading it knowing what I knew about him, but eventually the feeling went away. Speaking of which, will you be watching the anime when it drops?
@@Vi_69420 i'm gonna watch the anime i'm actually new to the series but I heard so much about it I kind of wanna know how good the story is be lying if I wasn't curious. Probably gonna pirate it not because of that reason tho just because i'm a one piece guy if i say so. But i'm not against supporting the anime mainly because its a whole studio directors, animators, musicians etc the author is not the only one who needs to get paid so i'm not gonna judge people for supporting or not supporting the anime.
@@lordtette -It's ironic to be apprehensive about stealing from a pedo- I mean if you steal manga you stealing from more then just one person. I already said this before its not a one person thing. Same for anime i already explained this its not like one guy makes an anime by itself just because the author had a manga. Also you could argue that 2 wrongs don't make a right which basically means just because somebody does soemthing wong doesn't mean that you are allowed to do wrong. But as I said before I don't care what people do but i think its fair to support he anime for the staff and others at the very least if you want to at least.
I just hate it. The fact that this is what Rurouni Kenshin is now known for just breaks my heart cause I love RK and it's story. A lot of ppl (mostly on Twitter) will judge you if you're a fan of Rurouni Kenshin, even getting my friends into Rurouni Kenshin now proves to be a lot harder cause they wouldn't wanna touch a show made by a disgusting individual. Just wished this never happened, Rurouni Kenshin was such a masterpiece in it's time.
If the others want to conflate the anime/manga with unrelated real-life stuff and dismiss it based on that, then why would you even want them to watch it? Let them miss out.
-The fact that Oda knowingly supported not one but TWO convinced p*dophiles really sucks- I mean knowingly I don't think anyone knew anyting until he got arrested. Also what he is supposed to do about it? watsuki is a free person they allow him his anime? What is he supposed to say there is nothing really that oda can say or do that matters. They working in the same industry so its best to be quiet.
The argument about seperating the art from the artist, at least your way of putting it, is incredible accurate. Because Oda himself vouched for Watsuki to comeback to work after the news broke. Hence why the Kenshin Hokaido arc is still continuing. However, no one calls out Oda for this fact. That's why I ignore discourse surrounding watching/ reading this series when people claim that you are a P*do or P*do supporter for doing so.
I like some animes but they got a problem with weird sexual shit with Lolis and just random incest or rape when that shit just uncalled in the story I can understand a story like beserk it’s supposed to be something that’s as dark as imaginable and it does it well but then u got random shit like sword art online where his sister wants to fuck him for no reason and and either his gf or his sister gets touched twice by orcs and a elf or at least they threatened it just so random and honestly doesn’t even fit into the story well it’s like just wanted to add it just to add it
What the fuck are you even talking about none of those things matter its fiction. Its either rape or it isn't... there is no rape light or incest light.
I heard a Great Quote forget by who but he said " If you stopped using things just because you don't like the man who made them well there wouldn't be a lot of things left to use." or something along those lines at least. I am not one of the people who stop using things because the people who make them suck. To Me, it's easy to separate the art from the Artist.
All time favorite manga/anime. It’s been a long, long time since I was on the manga/anime bus. But this series is the one that made me a fan for some time. Used to get the huge SJ manga issue each month in the mail and I had every volume of RK. Such a shame that the author did what he did.
I watched a little bit of Rorouni Kenshin when I was younger and I actually wanted to pick up the manga now that I'm older but it's really hard to read the work of someone like that
This is a real tough scenario. Separating art of the author is by no means easy when you previously enjoyed so much of their creations. Although I admit I still enjoy watching One Piece every now and then, the fact Oda supported him made my respect for him and his entire creation fall down pretty badly. But not just Oda, my respect for the entire anime/manga industry has seriously tarnished after knowing how many authors supported him, just like how the Hollywood industry seems like garbage to me.
Kenshin will always be one of my favorite and most praised Shonen title. But I cant really recommend it to anyone to purchase. I have all 28 volumes so my friends just borrow to not continue to fund him. Since I got all 28 in like 2007.
One thing to keep in mind, making CP was illegal before then in Japan. It was the ownership of said material that was legal until 2015. Japan wasn't okay with the creation of CP, but it's still fucked up though, I agree.
the writing is amazing . its super rare to see an author whos able to make u so emotionally invested in not just the main character but also all the supporting roles and even the main antagonist .
It's not hard for me to separate the art from the artist. Yes, I feel disappointed but the beautiful memories and inspiration that the author gave me are still more dominant in me. I don't know why I feel that way. Probably because he is one of the people who fueled me to move forward in life and taught me to appreciate other anime. For me, I owe these to him.
3:58-4:00 disagree with that statement but nonetheless it’s absolutely fucking sick that Watsuki is not in jail and is considered redeemed or paid his penance in Japan.
Sucks. No wonder the og series hasn’t been released on the west on Blu-ray yet. Damn. On the issue of separating the art from the artist….it is very tough. I was a huge fan of the lost prophets and after the lead singer was found to be a diddler, I just couldn’t be a fan any longer. Sucks when things from your youth get corrupted due to the issues with the creator. Great video btw. Subbed
Rurouni Kenshin transcends its creator. Hand it over to someone else, come up with an equitable arrangement to distribute the earnings, reconsider the creator's punishment for his actions (as in, actually punish him), AND monitor him highly using some of the money from his earnings to pay for the resources needed to do so in order to prevent repeating the actions. We are all dark and light. His creation has given us a lot of light. Unfortunately his dark really hurts the innocent. Keep the light going, give him enough to live on, and use the rest of what he would have earned to go towards resources to heal those who've been hurt by his (and others') actions in the realm of child porn. and trafficking. Good can come from keeping Rurouni Kenshin going. The proceeds just need to go towards the solution instead of the creator's accumulation of wealth.
I honestly wished that's what the outcome was. That would've probably been the best outcome for everyone. But iirc I think Watsuki didn't want to hand off his IP to anyone else. And I guess companies wouldn't say no to him either. Which is depressing to think about
@@mehlover Very depressing to think about. Although I only just learned, sorry to say, about Japan's Comfort Women in WWII. (sigh) There is so much I love about Japan. That said, it, as a country, has some real work to do in the of prevention and punishment of sexual transgressions against innocent parties. All countries have things to work on, mind you. This is one of there's.
I can seperate the art from the artist just enough to where I can be excitedly hype over the new Kenshin anime. But everyone elses view on things is very valid on why they won't want to , but damn kenshin really was a big thing for me. It had so many good lessons that i still take with me A sicko that needs mental rehabilitation or a bullet to the skull won't take that away from me. His product is a masterpiece, he himself is trash..
The problem is that you can't really seperate the art from the artist here? They aren't dead, and they're still profiting from their work. And even if you pirated it, its still showing other people 'Oh hey, this thing is pretty popular we should check it out.'
One of the first serious anime I watched that even my folks got a bit interested in, I remember growing up seeing the Toonami episodes and them looking over my shoulder as I sat on the couch...and they had to watch... hurts so much to know he was a disgusting...just disgusting excuse for a human being. Suppose it doesn't help he was a bit of a hack by ripping off other people's designs and so on just a bit too much...but thats like a mole hill compared to the mountain of issues he's got with the "cheese pizza" he's got
yyyyeeeeeeeaaaaahh, I ain’t gonna cap, I’m not ever gonna stop watching Ruroni Kenshin but AY, nice on you to shine light on what bro did. I’d imagine he will never be treated well in America so good on you keeping this in the lime light. Definitely still gonna be rewatching the anime tho.
I can usually separate work from the artist, but not when the artist puts their terrible tendencies ( I think that’s the right word lol) into their work. For example, made in abyss. I cannot the story because the mangaka clearly is attracted to children, and he shows that in his work and it makes me sick.
Right, I totally agree. That's why I love Ruroken so much, because I didn't see anything in it that suggested that the author was into CP. It's just a phenomenal story. Long live Ruroken.
god I hate made in abyss. every 3 pages there's literally a weird pic of a child and people just handwave it like "ermm should we censor the gore too snowflake?" like the nudity is needed for the horror
It was one of the first anime I really got into. RRK and YYH were both a big deal when I was about 13-14 years old. Back then, I was in a very dark place mentally, and both shows literally kept me going. Fast forward to when this news first broke. I think the worst part was that since I had loved RRK so much, I felt betrayed. I was also horrified and disgusted since I had spent a great deal on the manga and dvds when I myself was in his (ugh) preferred age range, and that he likely used some of that money to do terrible things. Then, he just went right back to making manga as if nothing even happened! Those poor children will never have justice I won’t attack people who still choose to watch the remake, but I personally doubt I will be joining in. It's tainted for me. I also don't believe the creator should profit. Would have been great if the publisher could have somehow taken all ownership rights away from him so could never gain anything from it ever again
Damn its sad the stupid desision of someone can completly ruin their career and life.stripping away every thing great or great thought about someone life
Yep exactly. That's why I've been struggling to finish the Manga . I haven't finshed it since when I heard what he did at the time. It left a bad taste in my mouth. Why someone would do such a thing , when they created such a wonderful series that has touched the hearts of so many readers , is beyond me. His legacy is forever tainted unfortunately. What a horrible thing to be remembered for.
@@foregroundeclipse8725 Oh well, even though I love Kenshin you don't miss anything if you don't see the end of it given the very questionable quality of the final arc.
@@Gonzora I gotcha. Still disappointed in the creator though for what he did. I feel guilty for reading it back before news got out of what he did. I know I had no way of knowing , but I just feel awful.
A Japanese cannibal also got away with his crimes because Japan didn't want to deport him back to France for his trial or something. If I remember the details right, he was so heavily shunned that it actually made any possible prison time moot for the guy.
They aren’t ignorant at all to it. It’s a cultural difference. Growing up I always found it weird that the Japanese are a sexually high fetish society. But as a kid that weirdness grew to all around disgust. I guess it’s better late then never that the Japanese government finally convict CP ownership/viewership
I remember when this news first came out. I was really excited that he was continuing the manga. After I read the details of these allegations how damning they were, I really couldn't bring myself to touch any of the Rurouni Kenshin/Samurai X material anymore. I don't think it's my place to dictate if other people should or shouldn't consume Nobuhiro's works. For me personally though, it's just such a stark contrast/opposite to the message of the whole series that I just can't help feel disgusted knowing what he did.
I first saw the anime in 2020 and found out about the author after the Kyoto arc. I loved the anime and when I found out, I was disappointed. This puts me in a tricky position because I want to keep loving this series and am excited for the reboot but my biggest fear is someone thinking I'm supporting a pedo.
Pirate the series. Don’t support him financially. I usually don’t encourage pirating. But this guy does not deserve a penny from us. If he truly repented, he’d quit being a public figure and just work in himself.
If you stop watching content cuz what authors, directors, studios and actors have done dont ever look at the Hollywood scandals if you do soon you will not have anything left to watch
The controversy also ruined Kenshin for me. It broke my heart. I loved that series a lot, and Kenshin Himura was one of my all-time favorite protagonists. But it's damn near impossible to separate art from artist here; not when the crime is this bad. I'll find myself thinking about how wrong the artist was, and knowing how sick his actions were.
great so you're going to stop using phones too right? hope you don't like avacados or oranges either. also might want to check out how half your clothes are made and how many pedos run those shops.
TLDR: dude was found with CP in his hard drive. Not only images but some really questionable stuff. I really can't watch or read RK without having to think about the author and the horrible stuff he got himself involved in. Not really watching Kenshin anymore because of this. I am an advocate of separating the art from the artist but, personally, when it comes to anything involving children, I really can't do that. Anyone I know or respect having CP is, to me, the biggest betrayal. It's simply unforgivable, and this video expresses the same sentiments. Really sad and horrible stuff.
Given the lack of reporting on this story in English, I was wondering how true this was for a few years. I knew about the confession but not about the evidence they had. This has put me on the fence about buying Kenshin products for a few years now. Considering what I learned a few years ago in a video about the Japanese court system. I know that people confess to things they didn't do all the time in Japan as they will hold for years until you confess (you may as well be guilty until proven innocent in Japan) I needed to know about the evidence you presented to give me a sence of certainty of his gult as a confession under coersion as we call it here in the US doesn't mean much to me.
Honestly, I feel like any anime that is more realistic has the best chance of getting a good live action movie or show because it’s not supernatural magic sci-fi, or anything just normal But on topic of this video, it does sadden me to hear a manga, author and producer of his work hold CP. that will bring hate on the manga artists so badly and quickly. A death of a manga artist is hurtful thing to hear, but it will never love and care to the author and there work. and I hope those we enjoy there work won’t do what that the author
Agree. Would've loved to see live action adaptations of mangas and anime with realistic settings. Like the ones based on historical japanese for example (like some of those mangas about the Shinsengumi or the Sengoku period). Blade of the Immortal and Rurouni Kenshin was one of those that were adapted into live action and it worked well because it doesn't rely on many special effects or CGIs, and no fantasy, sci-fi stuff. Heck maybe even mangas with gangsters/crime genres involving school delinquents would be great to adapt into live action (like Tokyo Revengers, Crows, and then Kyou Kara Ore Wa).
I remembered this whole author situation because of what happened with ActAge author. Dude was easily gonna be super successful in the mainstream, but then he decided to sexually assault a child 💀
You probably know that Ruroni Kenshin will come back in July and me, as an anime translater, I'll translate this anime in Turkish. That's why I wanna learn everything -without spoilers- that I can and that made me really sad though. However one of my teacher said to me about this kind of situations. "Do not respect to the artist, respect to art."
He may of "ruined his legacy" but he DID NOT ruin what came of it It doesn't change how inspirational and inspiring his works were as they literally have NOTHING to do with what he did in the slightest When Kenshin has his 'Your strength has grown...but your mind has weakened, The will to live is stronger than anything' speech, you don't think "OmG sINcE tHE auThoR iS A MoNSteR iT DoESNt matTeR aNYmoRE", unless you're completely delusional and unable to seperate art from the artist (man is that picking and choosing in this day and age aswell) it shouldn't matter You're not supporting the guy behind it, you're supporting the message of the creation
For me it's impossible to separate the art from the artist unless you are flat-out pirating their work. If you don't then the money you spend trying to consume their content will still go to them which is a direct tie between the art and the artist.
I remember when I was 7 I was obsessed with rurouni kenshin and bought a first few volumes of the manga and some shounen jump magazines at the time. Nobuhiro Watsuki had an authors page talking about how he took a child psychology class in college and was praising children on how amazing they are. Absolutely chilling looking back.
This series is one of the only few I got complete in physical copies, bought 20 years ago, and for me was the shonen masterpiece alongside FMA. It was a very important series in my teen years, I still read it from time to time, but now I just can't read and not remember what this author has done and my money went to these sort of activities. The worst of all is there is people willing to downplay these matters. The internet is a cesspool and the bottom must be anime related forums, I've seen people trying to say that it was just only high school girls like it was less of a problem, the same kind of people that got mad because age of consent in Japan has been raised recently. It's just puke inducing and I hope these people just don't ever abandon their shitholes because nothing good will come out of that. And on top of that, he continues to publish like nothing ever happened.
Also to add on, Lliden films did Berserk, you are correct, they have also done Tokyo Revengers and in addition to Kenshin they will be doing the Atelier Ryza adaptation
Along with Oda, Hiroyuki Takei was taken under his wing, the creator of Shaman King (my fav anime series) and you can really see his inspiration reflected in his pupils, with Zoro and his strong sense of loyalty and Amidamaru an honorable Samurai spirit that serves the Protag in Shaman King. SK also makes a point to value non-violence (ironic for a shonen) as Kenshin did, a shame this message gets blurred given the creators actions
Yeah I have started and stopped it multiple times and also never read made in abyss cause everytime I see little kid characters I just get reminded of the authors actions and it makes me sick. Its sad their are so many great artist and art pieces that are tainted by the creators own selfish desires but it seems many people when they get some kind of power use it for sexual satisfaction and its pretty pathetic.
I have to separate the art from the artist since I grew up with rurouni kenshin it’s literally my favorite Shonen manga of all time next to yu yu hakusho. It just sucks that the author is such a disgusting person
I'll never forget how much I enjoyed watching the anime on Toonami around 2 decades ago. I have to separate those great childhood memories from what he would eventually be found guilty of all those years later.
Thank you for reviving this terrible fact. I don’t think people should stop liking Rurouni Kenshin, but I do think everyone should know what he did and decide for themselves what to do.
I think it's possible to separate art from the artist the same way you separate a bad parent from a child, or work from pleasure. People do things with different sets in mind. This is specially true in Japan, where the whole "3 faces" behavior is so common. You don't think the same way when you are alone and in your private life. And if this would be such an issue, the art would be tainted in one way or another by the author's sin, yet you don't see it or would never link this anime and manga to such awful material.
1:31 that aint Oda. I got it, apologies.
0:42 also thats Hiroyuki Takei (Shaman King), he also was a watsuki apprentice along with Oda
Yeah, show respect to Miyazaki 😤😤😤
Nope that's crime against God now you have post another vid within 3 days to make up for it
I really appreciate the fact of you pointing out the hypocrisy of some people when they ''cancel'' others public.
I keep seeing videos where people pull up that dude when mentioning Oda, what gives?
I think the worst part about this is the fact that he purchased it from a dealer. The fact that he purchased it means that he commissioned exactly what he wanted from the sex traffickers that were torturing those poor children. Watsuki is an accomplice in sex trafficking. This is far worse than just being in possession of cp.
Oh God...
No, only you think that
Honestly as disgusting as it sounds, in 30 years pedos (or as they call themselves now MAP, Minor-Attracted People) are probably going to get their "rights". While it sounds crazy but the same thing was said about Homos 50 years ago.
The situation is fucked
Its a real CP and not even animated? This is disgusting ...
Yeesh.
I think it's actually harder to separate the art from the artist when you love a series so much. And I think it's because you will not only feel disgust about the author actions, you will feel genuinely disappointed in a person you looked up to and anger towards him/her because they will forever taint your favorite piece of art, something you love deeply and it will never be the same for you
I have gone through a similar process with the band Lostprophets, which was one of my favorite bands growing up.
I think it's weirdly the opposite for me. R Kelly was a massive part of my childhood. My mum would play so many of his songs on weekends when doing chores etc. After he got arrested for what he did I pretty much blanket banned all his music. What made it so hard to listen to was his songs uplifting people such as world's greatest or I believe I can fly but behind closed doors he was a abusing women and young girls. It just adds an uncomfortable taint on the music like if I listen to it now what he's done is always in the back of my mind. Just me tho I acknowledge people may feel different
@@kylekgh yeah I hear this. Part of what makes it hard with Lostprophets is that the singer is the one doing the CP stuff, so it's unavoidable listening to any of their music.
A similar case recently is Act-age author, who molested middleschool girls on his bicycle. The manga was so good, and the artist did nothing wrong. But the crimes of the author ruined the manga for me 😢
For me, it's pretty different. I got into Rurouni when I was a kid who didn't care about writers or anything of the sort. I took in stories for what it was, not what happened around it and I fell in love with the story.
I held onto that love for years and years and when I learned about the mangaka, I wasn't too hurt because I never associated that man with the story I held so dear to me anyway. Maybe if I got into Rurouni later in life, this would've ruined it for me, but the time period I experienced it in really stopped me from feeling that way.
He was not only found in possession of that disgusting material, he was found with so much of it that the authorities suspect him of being a distributor.
That's beyond disgusting, not even taking into account that he literally got away with it.
why were children in his anime? It was a bit sus....
@@arturodfabela I assure you brother that the law has nothing to do with what is right or wrong, nor does the piece of dirt you're on top.
@@wumbojet I never said it was right nor that I support him dummy, have some reading comprehension.
Honestly as disgusting as it sounds, in 30 years pedos (or as they call themselves now MAP, Minor-Attracted People) are probably going to get their "rights". While it sounds crazy but the same thing was said about Homos 50 years ago.
The situation is fucked
@@MauricioChalonsLazaroCha-ke6xp what are you even trying to say?
This one when I found out freaking hurt me. Ruroni Kenshin genuinely made me think about my own personal belief and feelings and actually helped me grow as a person. I loved the story and the characters and the themes but after this came out I haven’t touched it since. I don’t even want to watch it since i have no idea if it actually supports him and I hate that he got off so easily. Just a big shit show
I dont think he cares if you like him. You consumed his product, thats what he cares about. lol
Bro... Honestly, I don't give a sh#t about what the author did. Rurouni Kenshin is a masterpiece and a beautiful work, that is what I care about.
Just pirate
Have you a minute to talk about our lord and saviour, [ILLEGALLY DOWNLOADING IT]?
@@carlosdanielcalderonmontoy3723 same thing people said when reading Mein Kampf
It's also disgusting a bunch of big name manga authors welcomed him back at his exhibition. Shoutout to the few that didn't (Togashi, Miura, etc).
It is. Not the same but it'a similar to how some directors kep fighting for Roman Polanski's career.
Togashi❤❤❤, i love this men
@@lordtette Yup it's sad. It's hypocritical that many of these authors write stories about children overcoming adversity, but then openly supported a man who victimizes children.
@@hikaru_2085 Yup, Togashi is the GOAT.
Togashi just keeps getting W's. Who else didn't welcome him?
The worst part about all of this is that it's entirely his fault. It's not like some third party came in and ruined everything but the creator specifically fucked up.
This hurt alright, I grew up with Kenshin. Kenshin was one of the shows that taught me about kindness and being caring toward others. Hearing that news, it truly hurt.
Watsuki's problematic sexual preference or crimes don't take away from that message now though, do they?
@@previll No-- I, internally, like showing kindness to others.
If the anime is good I will watch it no matter what background the creator has. I don’t give a fk.
I think people are over reacting for keeping CP DVDs, it’s not like that the author has rapped children…
@@AmilaA-yq9dl are you a bot or something?
I'm surprised One Piece has been running for nearly a quarter of a century and people are still accidentally using that same picture of Eiji Aonuma.
It's not surprising at all. He does not often show his face. There's probably about 3-4 official pictures of the man out there
It’s absolutely disgusting that many authors supported his comeback. Those authors also have children? Like it makes me wonder if they just care about their friend
Its almost like they are supporting his work instead of his crime. Do you get angry everytime someone plays a Michael Jackson track on the radio? You going to yell at someone who sings an R Kelly song? no one gives a shit about your purity test Karen. So many comments here like yours acting like the moral authority of what should and shouldn't be allowed. You aren't so great yourself Karen with a slave labor phone.
Do you have the list of those mangakas?
Move on abiut it
@@NetBattler don't know much just know oda (the creator of one piece) is one of them
@@vegetacultminorityhunter wait wha- but why one piece fans still support that creator?
I've struggled with the whole 'separating art from the artist' bit for quite a while now. And hearing about the author of Rurouni Kenshin just opened up some wounds.
There is this movie, Jeepers Creepers directed by Victor Salvo, and it's by far one of my favorite horror movies from the early 2000s. Even during interviews, he gave such a perspective on horror and storytelling that it was inspiring. I thought he was an intelligent artist and it inspired me to work harder with my own personal craft.
Then I found out he is a repeat child offender. He even SA several of his child actors on one of his movies. When I found out I was really bummed out, disgusted, and felt like I've been lied to. How are you supposed to take the art seriously now knowing who and what the person had done?
And now, with Rurouni Kenshin the feeling is even more exaggerated. This was a series I grew up with in the 90s, hell my mom introduced me to it. It was a core staple into my otaku filled childhood. This was a series I looked forward to watch on Toonami. I invested in the books in high school and sharing them around helped me build a small core friend group. I drew to match the style in the manga and improve my art.
Now this all came out, what the hell. It's like the equivalent of having someone you know come up to you, take your stuff, piss on it, and hand it right back to you.
The thing is most celebrities and artists have inner demons. Like Michael Jordan is known to be an a-hole outside the court even though the media portray him as a cool guy to hang with. Hulk Hogan was also a fan favorite but when inside the locker room. he's also the biggest ego maniac out there, not even mentioning his racial controversy outside the ring.
It's hard to do so.
I hope you can find a way to deal with it.
@drakecassell1840 To me there is really little difference between the two. To me having possession of CP is just the first step before committing an actual crime. That and the fact that children had to suffer for that material to be produced, is just SA by proxy.
@@rhiannonhamilton4427 It's also supporting a market that requires more and more children to be abused to continue.
I got a great piece of advice about Jeepers Creepers- you can separate the arr and the artist UNTIL THEY MAKE IT A PART OF THE ART.
If an artist is racist, (a word we throw around kind of arbitrarily at this point) you don't have to obtain a degree in Social Justice to dismiss their views on *redacted * UNTIL THEY MAKE IT PART OF THE ART.
"Ruined his legacy" man's being honored and celebrated by Shonen Jump and many legendary Mangaka. This thing is just sadly not a big deal in Japan and he'll continue living his life like nothing happened.
on the other side being caught with drugs get you cancelled
It’s so funny how often UA-camrs try and create “their truth”. So many times hit pieces will come out saying “so and so’s career is over” even though it’s the 30th hit piece made on them. Greatness will never be canceled.
@@VashTheDamnFiendGreatness? Is that what you call a man who admitted to being attracted to elementary schoolers? A man who held so much illegal material he was initially believed to be a dealer/trafficker? A man who used the money he made from his work to fund all this? Who kept it all in his artist's studio and would presumably view to "let off steam" between working on pages?
His crimes not only ruin the anime for new fans, but he also damaged the rewatchabality of his work.
Don’t care One piece better 🤷♂️
I'm still finna watch it.
Nope if the anime is good people will watch most people don’t care about what the author does outside the anime still he needs help though
@@ukculture9240 he needs prison
@@theanimerapper6351 prison won’t do crap, he needs help to become a better person.
The most revolting thing about all this was not only the fact that he had possession of content characterized as CP, but the total way in which the Japanese reacted, and even more Shueisha, and the Japanese media practically softened his case, and even worse, making a remake of the work knowing that Nobuhiro will continue to earn under the rights to his work, Meanwhile, female idols suffer at the hands of the entertainment industry and society, they are mocked, that is Japanese society.
That’s why Japan is not great as what some people make it seem to be. It’s beautiful outside but disgusting in inside.
It's long history of abuse. There'a reason perv old men are in anime and manga. It means it's common in real life. If an old man is pervy, that means he was a perv in his youth as well.
The way that did non consensual sex in WWII was ruthless and brutal, and they destroyed the records.
I'm not surprised an important person was softened though. It happens here in the US as well. Michael Jackson might have done some wrong to some individuals as well.
@@haijin7484but isn’t that every country tho?
@@haijin7484 as if the U.S. was better :D
@@marikothecheetah9342 The US is much better. The US, at the very least, recognizes most wrongs when it rears it's head. Japan doesn't.
The US recognizes their interment camps during WW2 was wrong and compensated the victims. Japan elects a prime minister that denies their war crimes and says their war criminals were heroes. The US recognizes blatant racism and knows it's wrong. Japan's best selling book is a book about how inferior Korean people are. The US has laws in place to prevent discrimination. Japanese restaurants purposely discriminate against Korean people to such a degree there are blogs dedicated to help Korean tourists from ending up with food poisoning while on vacation. And as mentioned in the video, the US made child abuse material illegal in the 1970s while it took Japan until 2015 to barely give slaps on the wrists.
What a coincidence!! I was just talking about this incident with someone on Twitter yesterday!
Off-topic... You see, on June 16th this year, a popular Japanese actor, Kento Nagayama (who plays Keisuke Baji in the live-action version of Tokyo Revengers movies), got arrested on the grounds of marijuana possession and because of this drug scandal, he was departed from 4 popular drama series that he was working on or would be working on. The thing is, in Japan, whoever gets caught smoking weed, their whole life/career gets completely destroyed; basically, your career is over for sure (a lot of celebrities who were arrested for possessing marijuana in the past got their career destroyed in the blink of an eye). On Twitter, people were saying so many mean things about Kento even though this man had never committed any heinous crimes before or didn't have a big scandal attached to his name until now. It's a hot topic in Japan now because the release date of the 2nd Tokyo Revengers live-action movie got delayed because of this scandal.
What I'm trying to say is that, yes possessing drugs is illegal in Japan, and yes, Kento Nagayama did something which he shouldn't have done, but compare to what the manga author of Rurouni Kenshin (Watsuki) did, the film actor Kento Nagayama is innocent and shouldn't be held that big of a guilty. Like Watsuki was arrested for possessing CP yet he's still out there living the life of a free man and still working on his manga and meanwhile, film actor Kento is going through a very tough time cause he smoked some weed.
So, you're right... Japan's laws and regulations are REALLY weird.
topsy turvy laws
@@mathieuleader8601 Lol so right
@@mathieuleader8601 And you know how much weed the police caught from Kento? Only 1 gram...
@@iffatbushrasuhi2860 Thanks for pointing this out. Sadly this is the case in some other places around the world (On the top of my head a very similar situation had happened in Canada). But thanks for spreading the word.
Also related to the Rurouni Kenshin, the actor who played Aoshi in the live action Rurouni Kenshin movies, Yusuke Iseya (also played Jotaro in the live action JJBA DIU movie) also got caught for doing drugs as well (i forgot if it's marijuana or cocaine). That's probably why he get so little screen time in the last movie and then Aoshi wasn't seen again afterwards. He only appeared early during a fight with Yatsume and then after that he just disappear for the rest of the film.
Rurouni Kenshin is one of my favorite mangas, and I find it absolutely devastating that it was written and drawn by an author that was into CP - personally tho, I separate art from artists, and that’s the only reason I can keep loving the manga. I can understand why it’s hard for others tho, absolutely. And I think the creator got off too easy too.
My point of view as a reader and fan of Kenshin since the early 2000s: the manga is good, the characters endearing and there's nothing wrong with loving this universe.
However, even though his graphic style influenced mine when I was still dreaming of being an illustrator back in the day, Watsuki can burn in hell.
Maybe from a Westerners perspective he got off easy, but in Japan, that kinda stuff isn't even a big deal. Like, the age of consent in some areas was 13 until just a few months ago.
Not tryna sound like I'm defending the decision though, just trying to say that while we think it's terrible, it's not really a big deal somewhere else
@@Vi_69420 don’t worry it didn’t seem that way. Yea Japan and it’s laws are a bit iffy from the looks of it.
Yeah, hang the guy for all I care, Japan but it makes no difference to the art. Plenty of great works were made by sick men throughout all of human history, it’s not the inanimate objects fault. Edgar Allen Poe is never acknowledged as an pedo and that’s just one of many many examples because people don’t want to have to bury these “great works” 🤷♀️
@@HennyVenny love the comment man, and yea I’ll always love Kenshin. I’m still hyped for the anime no one can take that away from me personally, and it’s still one of my favorite mangas ever, hell even just media, stories whatever it can be thrown under lol
It's actually disgusting that guy got away with literal CP with just a couple thousand dollars
I personally think he should have served more than 20 years in prison for that
Yee he did get off pretty easy. It’s disturbing…
Ofcourse he got off easy it's called a different culture
Well that's Japan for you.
@@RhyoCapsule oh boy I have no idea what you mean by that
@@RhyoCapsule Not yet but they're definitely going in that route
I think the factor that determines whether people separate the art from the artist is whether they have been exposed to the art before the artist has been exposed as a deviant. The more familiar someonebis with a work of art, the more the art has created an identity of its own in the minds of the viewer apart from the artist.
Interesting observation.
Edit:
To add to that, I would say people have an issue with supporting Rurouni Kenshin because they're afraid they're supporting the author's "consumption" somehow. And, not to sound macabre, perhaps after the author "expires", people will generally be more comfortable seeing his work, since he's not benefiting from it.
A lot of people willing to forgive a paedophile in these comments because they liked a show about samurai swords
Yeah, Just like Hitler
I love Kenshin as a kid and knew about long before I knew he was a pervert. When I figured out what he did, it ruined the entire franchise for me. I'm not willing to forgive a pedo for my personal entertainment. There are a lot of anime and manga out there.
I don’t blame people for enjoying the art, I blame them for defending the artist. Even if the art is the artist’s creation, it’s an "entity" by itself, specially considering anime by itself it’s a collective work. The art is not at fault for his creator’s mess. But a lot of people don’t really know how to separate the art from the artist, specially when the artist is a bad person.
It’s more maddening that Shueisha would allow such a heinous criminal back in one of their magazines. He already got pretty much no punishment and you’re allowing him back into the fray just to help your bottom line.
They're a Corporation not your friend
Money is their first priority and they want a cash cow and as many they can get
that's because in japan it's not a heinous crime. They literally had under age nudey bars over there.
@@RangerNationDubs The DVDs he had were of elementary school to middle school girls. 100% sure there is no bar like that in Japan.
@@big3fanboy19 The author himself in his deposition said he liked girls from elementary school age to second year of middle school. So how comfortable are you defending the equivalent of the Subway guy? Especially since that guy is in his late 40s to early 50s? Do you need a trip in the party van too?
@@24hr-Gaming you'd be surprised, what japan was like back then. Japan was a horribly disgusting place and in some places it still is. some parts still has the age of consent as 13. It's really fucked.
I grew up with this series as a kid back in 2006, when i picked up my first volume of the Rurouni Kenshin manga. The anime also showed on Toonami and i never forgot Kenshin's theme and T.M Revoultion's "Heart of Sword" song that played during the end credits. The series was something I loved and thoroughly enjoyed reading.
Then...I heard about what he did and the CP...everything shattered around me. I couldn't believe it, one of my heroes, one of my inspirations...was this type of person.
Even now, it's hard to keep reminding myself of all that. I have the series sitting on my shelf, every volume collected from the main series...I've argued the idea about separating the art from the artist before, and although i can sorta do that with Kenshin, it still leaves bile in the back of my throat.
How RK getting remakes and movies after this news dropped about Nobuhiro is astounding to me. I haven’t been able to look at his stuff the same since I found out. I grew up with Rurouni Kenshin so the news shook me
Uhhh because it’s a great piece of work that has nothing to do with his personal issues
The fact that what he did was legal until 2015 makes some creepy stuff in some manga more creepy
It explains why some older manga or anime becomes disturbing when you realize how young the characters are. Nothing like starting an ecchi and realizing they are middle schoolers. I am glad it is getting cleaned up and this is no longer the case.
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My understanding was that _simple possession_ in regards to the stuff was the only thing legal until 2014 (it may have been the product of an unintentioned legal loophole), after which point they initially had a turn-in period for product that had been possessed prior to the passage of that law-- but he didn't turn in the stuff by the time the period lapsed.
@@gallaghergreen2053 it is still predominantly the case, for example the dress-up-darling show, marin kitagawa, the character we see be half-naked in the first fucking episode is 16 lol, at least its getting better i guess.
@@beanhunter4647 RIGHT??? I actually really love that series because I am into sewing myself. But I didn't like they are so young. They could be 18 and started on college and it would work just fine. Like Rent-A-Girlfriend, works great having them college aged.
They often make them so young it hurts the storyline because it doesn't make sense.
Jump let him continue only putting the Kenshin Sequel which is running in Jump SQ on hiatus during the trial, but afterwards he is allowed to continue working on it and publish it in Jump. While Act Age was canceled (after speaking with the artist) because of the actions the author did. Seems like Kenshin is such a big money cow for Shueisha that they let it slip, which is actually really disappointing.
While what they both did is horrible, I would put what Act Age author did was far worst than Watsuki. I think if Watsuki did what Act Age author did, Kenshin would have been cancelled as well.
@arthurmarshall6825 what did act age author do?
@@neunix9443 details are hard to come back, but whatever it was, it was to 2 different minors on school grounds. At first I heard he expose himself to them. Later reports sound like he physical touch them as well.
It also does not hurt that the biggest cash cow in the industry, his pal Oda, intervened on his behalf, who also helped save the career of the guy that made Toriko who also had some disgusting stain in his past of similar nature. Money and connections that's why nobodies (in comparison) like that Act Age guy get thrown under the bus, as they should be, but they just hid Watsuki under the shade while the heat lasted and then is business as usual.
@@neunix9443dude got around in a bicycle touching girls in middle school as he rode by. Many many times...
This is disgusting and absolutely TERRORIFYING; because young girls DO enjoy manga, yes Shonen isn't MARKETED towards them, but they do like them. That means he could VERY VERY VERY easily manipulate that power dynamic, as well as the one that's already there with the age gap. And it is scary, because Japan DOESNT take sexual crimes against women and children seriously AT ALL. Women are attacked, stalked, and preyed on and it is seen as "no big deal". I remember seeing a video about a "business" teenage girls would work for, in which they basically are rented out to older men for a day to go on a "date". Nothing sexual is done, but the whole idea is WEIRD and wrong!
At least Japan takes drug consumption, suicide, killing and bullying more seriously
I remember when I first heard about the death of Mister Rogers, my first thought was:
"Please, please, PLEASE, don't let us ever find out that he was secretly diddling kids all these years! He was such a kind, sweet, and wholesome part of my childhood. For the love of God please don't ruin the perfect image of this man that I have in my head, by having someone come out and accuse him of being a pedo. Please!"
I mean it been what 20 years since he passed and all people say he was a good man and he respected all ages.
People didn't wait until he was dead to accuse him of such things. But I think it's because they didn't know what to think of his genuinely soft nature. People thought he had to be hiding something. Fortunately, he was the real deal. A very, very rare thing in this day and age. We'll probably not see his like in our lifetime.
No that’s JK Rowling.
To be honest I take information about someone after their death with a grain of salt (well more specifically more than a decade after their death). But yeah 5/10 they end up being proven some way or another.
@@essaeldridgeYoBro Nah she’s against the pedos, that’s why everybody hates her
Masked that picture isn’t Oda it’s the guy who made breath of the wild, eiji aonuma
You’re a new viewer, are you?
He didn't "make BotW"
@@samueloak1600 yk what I mean man
@@wowthatslegit8990 yeah but idk, people really think that Shigeru Miyamoto made games by himself for example and that, as wrong as it is, was far closer to the truth than with games like BotW nowadays
100% Agree with your take on seperating the art from the artist. Its something that i dont personally struggle with (Especially cause i already own all the manga and will probably pirate the remake unless it ends up in Netflix or something so im certainly wont be contributing to the mans success) but lock me if if you ever catch me judging someone for not wanting to consume RK cause their not comfortable with it.
That's fair i'm not against pirating the remake but i'm not against supporting it either because its not just author that needs to get paid out of that staff.
But i do think this show is also so popular that even if i pirated it if it becomes popular my pocket change wouldn't really change the outcome anyway.
@@DBZFANX1000 Yeah I get that. Authors barely get anything for adaptations anyway (Look up how much the Demon Slayer author made for Mugen Train) so I'm not against it per say just that I wouldn't go out my way to buy something I'm not already subscribed too.
@@projectmessiah yeah well i wasn't rurouni kenshin anyway so i probably won't support it regardles i'm kind of pirate anyway that usually supports stuff through merch or manga later.
But i'm interested in the series to check it out.
@@DBZFANX1000 If your up to it I reccomend the manga or the og anime if the remake turns out ass. It looks decent enough so far though. The trust and betrayal ova which is a prequel is an absolute classic as well.
@@projectmessiah yeah if it does i migbt as well do that or read the manga since from what i hear anime didn't completely make it to the good stuff the manga had.
Kenshin was the first anime I watched after learning that anime and manga were a thing, probably one of my all time favourites, and it's a shame that because of this I don't feel comfortable sharing it with anyone else. I think that separating art from the artist in these scenarios is an important thing, because otherwise I'm contributing to and normalizing whitewashing any kind of abuse. And I wish that laws protecting minors in japan and worldwide were taken more seriously.
It sucks
Inuyasha was my first anime my eyes had layed glanced on after learning how to walk and stuff but yeah after seeing Samurai X it had reminded me very much of it and had fell in love with the show... It does truly suck that the creator had gone down to the crazy monstrous side though claiming such insane 💩💩💩 no human should ever have so regularly.
Oh yeah that's true the minor thing though should be taken seriously but I feel like they are lowkey to blame themselves since they have an age set for what in Japan where they're allowed to get married so young? 👀👁👁 I just find that crazy in itself and am like you think someone's suppose to be surprised and act like a creep won't go to the highest low just to do something or get something out of someone??? SMH, Maaan people are weird and need to think better for sure.
by far the worst thing about the manga industry is how little they seem to care about the horrific crimes a few mangaka have commited
And why should they care , wrold only cares about money , I won't care if I was them
Unfortunately we’re living in a time where people don’t care about serious offenses like this until it effects them personally or someone they care about by time anything is done the damage is nearly impossible to repair if at all.
@@sidneybrooks5565 why is this offense
@@Ginko50ecause a manga publishing company which one of their main demographic is young children is welcoming back a child predator, who either needs to be in jail or doing some serious rehabilitation if it’s available instead of making manga, he even out right admits that he’s into elementary and high school girls to the point that he owned so much pornography involving minors, which was made illegal in 2015 the government even gave orders to people who owned those materials before the law was passed to dispose of it which the author didn’t, the cops seriously thought he was a distributor. Even if he was making a decent amount of profit the company should’ve subtly tried cutting ties with him while searching for their next big product because from a business point of view he’s a liability that could ruin their reputation and business in the long run.
The Act Age author is in jail, and his work was discontinued and is no longer sold.
Damn he couldn’t even say it was just a cupcake
I love Rurouni Kenshin and was so betrayed when i learned about the mangaka. I hate him for that. But at the same time i cant help that the series is important to me and that i still love it. I am still excited for the new anime.
Look up his Wikipedia page, they bury his CP charges under the "career" tab. Someone is working overtime to make sure this man's skeletons remain hidden. For other entries, there usually would be a separate tab for 'controveries' but not this guy. They just wanna sweep shit under the rug.
Honestly, this is one instance where I think it's hard to separate art from artists. It was always weird to me that a teenage girl was being shipped with a 40-something-year-old man in his story
Fun fact: I'm pretty sure the reason we use a comma every three zeroes is to keep track of how many zeroes there are...
How does Japan have a 99% conviction rate, and yet there are mangaka's who gets away with possessing child porn and gets a less harsh punishment than someone getting caught with weed.
Because CP was llegal at one point
@@seniorsterling1064didn’t the government or police tell the citizens to get rid of their CP now that it was illegal or something like that
@@MoritakaLover010 yes thts true but you gatta understand if the government told you to get rid of copies of gta because it promotes violence in general would you comply right away, not to mention his house was searched.
OMG!! What a coincidence!! I was just talking about this incident with someone on Twitter yesterday!
You know, on June 16th this year, a popular Japanese actor, Kento Nagayama (who plays Keisuke Baji in the live-action version of Tokyo Revengers movies), got arrested on the grounds of marijuana possession and because of this drug scandal, he was departed from 4 popular drama series that he was working on or would be working on. On Twitter, people were saying so many mean things about Kento even though this man had never committed any heinous crimes before or didn't have a big scandal attached to his name until now. It's a hot topic in Japan now because the release date of the 2nd Tokyo Revengers live-action movie got delayed because of this scandal.
I mean, yes possessing drugs is illegal in Japan, and yes, Kento Nagayama did something which he shouldn't have done, but compare to what the manga author of Rurouni Kenshin (Watsuki) did, the film actor Kento Nagayama is innocent and shouldn't be held that big of a guilty. Like Watsuki was arrested for possessing CP yet he's still out there living the life of a free man and still working on his manga and meanwhile, film actor Kento is going through a very tough time cause he smoked some weed.
Seriously... Japan's laws and regulations are REALLY weird.
@@seniorsterling1064Yes, if that shit can get me behind the bars, I would gladly throw my whole gta collection which I bought from my hard earned money.
For me, I just feel like I can't support his success more because of the financial implications. He's not going to stop being successful if I don't read his manga or watch his anime, but at the same time I think I would feel guilty further contributing to his financial success, especially if he's going to use that wealth to do horrible things like this. Obviously society has a better eye on him than before, but there's no guarantee that he wouldn't do this again if given the chance and it's possible he's still doing this and no one has caught wind of it or he's paying people off or they're ignoring it. Really sucks, Rorouni Kenshi is an incredible story - very hard to process if it's right or even acceptable to be a fan of the story.
I'm really shocked more people in this comment section are not talking about the financial implications of "separating art from the artist". I'm revisiting this video because lately its felt like everyone has forgotten what he did. His legacy hasn't been tarnished at all and I'm sure when he dies this will be but a speck of dust amongst the praises of his work...I just cannot understand people separating art from artist and directly promoting and putting money in a p*dos pockets like....how can they feel ok in doing that but still disgusted by his actions? its an amazing story but I don't understand how that can take precedence over his actions...its because of these people he's still successful and no one cares about hat he's done. he will never face anything for his crimes. idk....its so sad to me
I guess, better approach would be "separating art from the artist" while reading/watching their work BUT not buying it and not recommending it to other people if artist did something horrible. This way you don't put money in artists' pockets and don't contribute to their success
lets put it this way, hes a monster. he was found to have terabytes of child porn.
so much so that the cops thought he was distributing it lol thats so fucked up.
so many people talk about seperating art from the artist, but lets be real,
if you were caught with child porn, you know you would feel completely ashamed of it and would do anything in your power to erase that.
Ruroken has a special place in my heart so it really hurts me how it became unseparabale from its creator's diagusting and also disappointing actions. I still admire this piece of work but can totally understand if someone who's not that close to the series doesn't intend to get involved with it anymore. So Kenshin still remains a precious "friend" of mine but we have to bear this scar forever.
I feel like it's impossible to separate the art from the artist when the artist put themselves in the art they make. An example is Dave Sim's Cerberes.
Does anyone remember that story that Miura took 4 weeks off to make? Or the one protest page? If you know, you know.
Duranki or Giganto Maxia? Both were weirdo stuff
Links? I'm interested
Kenshin was one of the best shounens out there, one I throughly enjoyed. But principles come first, I can very easily walk away from a product I enjoy knowing what it's attached to, knowing he still makes money from his craft and suffered no punishment for his crime. How a country chooses to do things is their business and people not from their should have no say, but I think an exception should be made when involving the welfare of children. This man should have been put UNDER the jail.
That's actually crazy how talented authors are found guilty for this things.. Something similar happened to toriko's author
Tbf the author of Toriko paid a 16 year old prostitute to have sex and this incident dates back to 2002 (he was 26/27 yo at the time). Even if it is morally dubious it's not comparable to watching or producing cp where kids are abused.
It's not crazy at all. Hollywood has always been full of "talented" weirdos who do very bad stuff or are at least connected to people who do these things and they just keep their mouth shut to not end their career, same thing happens in Japan.
The problem is Fandoms elevate artists to a high status, defending them while forgetting that they're just as flawed as any human being.
@@Gonzora I'm confused because I heard the girl lie about her age being legal.
@@artoriapendragonidilfitri7414 In some countries it's legal to marry children, doesn't mean it's good
@@SusieBlup I know that, what I meant was the girl lied being a adult to Toriko author.
"I think people are really willing to draw that line until it's something they really enjoy or their favorite thing ever." -- No truer words have been spoken. A lot of people who are quick to condemn art because of the artist only do so because they have little to no stakes with regards to the art. But the moment they do, most make excuses how it's different. It is easy to hate on something when you had no love for it from the beginning. Hence, imo, people should just be honest about how they feel without making others feel bad about what they enjoy. Let us be honest that we are biased on what we are willing to sacrifice and accept that others have different opinions.
“Separate the art from the artists.” Nah fam, Gunna a snitch fo life.
Totally valid. It is disgusting that unsuspecting people can support horrible people inadvertently.
"ruined his legacy" is one way to put "is a pedophile"
Lmfao
That's truly disgusting, and sad
And the way the world works. Pdfs are from all times, and until manage to prevent them from being born, they will continue to be born and exist. The internet has just put a spotlight on them. Especially the worst of them, because worse crimes = better content.
My mindset when it comes to seperate art of the artist I think you perfectly fine to leave disengage from both, but I do think its fine to also seperate them. My reasoning for deciding this is that technically you can never tell who is bad. Anyone you buy from whether it be a company, a specific person, anyone can do bad things or have a bad background. And well.... Let's say i buy art from somebody and i know they did a crime. Well before that crime i thought the art was good the art hasn't changed my perspective has changed.
This is why I don't mind it because I don't know any of these people to begin with I don't know oda I don't know togashi I don't know gege from jujutsu kaisen I only my vision of them, and the vision of their art. My vision of themselves is so small and so unknown that I only have their art and story so even if they turn out to be bad people their art was good when i knew them the art hasn't changed it didn't change color the moment i found out because this person was probably always that way then and i just didn't know.
Edit: Now when it comes to supporting that artist by reading their story this is a bit controversial and hard to say some people say pirate, but I don't know if stealing is the right answer but i'm not against the idea.. All tho i think these things would get money regardless of what i do so i don't really think about it that much me alone can't support an artist *so if they do end up rich it was gonna happen regardless of my pocket money, which is what i use to not dwell on it too much, but I'm kind of a pirate anyway sometimes* What I wil say is that because the art doesn't involve the crime I feel more comfortable buying it because its not you nessecarrily supporting the crime you not supporting him for what he did you supporting the story he wrote if its seperate from it at least now if he writes some kind of sick real story about his actions thats even more controversial.
This is pretty much my mindset on the subject too, but I feel like thinking that they may do bad things and knowing they do bad things does change the way you think of the media to a certain extent, like I found out the Author of Kenshin was into CP midway through the manga, it felt kinda weird reading it knowing what I knew about him, but eventually the feeling went away.
Speaking of which, will you be watching the anime when it drops?
@@Vi_69420 i'm gonna watch the anime i'm actually new to the series but I heard so much about it I kind of wanna know how good the story is be lying if I wasn't curious.
Probably gonna pirate it not because of that reason tho just because i'm a one piece guy if i say so.
But i'm not against supporting the anime mainly because its a whole studio directors, animators, musicians etc the author is not the only one who needs to get paid so i'm not gonna judge people for supporting or not supporting the anime.
It's ironic to be apprehensive about stealing from a pedo
@@lordtette -It's ironic to be apprehensive about stealing from a pedo-
I mean if you steal manga you stealing from more then just one person. I already said this before its not a one person thing.
Same for anime i already explained this its not like one guy makes an anime by itself just because the author had a manga.
Also you could argue that 2 wrongs don't make a right which basically means just because somebody does soemthing wong doesn't mean that you are allowed to do wrong.
But as I said before I don't care what people do but i think its fair to support he anime for the staff and others at the very least if you want to at least.
@@lordtetteyeah because stealing is better than supporting the author.
Stfu returd 😂😂😂
I just hate it. The fact that this is what Rurouni Kenshin is now known for just breaks my heart cause I love RK and it's story. A lot of ppl (mostly on Twitter) will judge you if you're a fan of Rurouni Kenshin, even getting my friends into Rurouni Kenshin now proves to be a lot harder cause they wouldn't wanna touch a show made by a disgusting individual. Just wished this never happened, Rurouni Kenshin was such a masterpiece in it's time.
That’s your choice, your not wrong for your opinion 💯💯
@@Dontclickmychannellll no worries bro, I'll still watch the adaptation and continue to love Rurouni Kenshin
@@ShadyChuck same bro
If the others want to conflate the anime/manga with unrelated real-life stuff and dismiss it based on that, then why would you even want them to watch it? Let them miss out.
@@poppinc8145 I agree
The fact that Oda knowingly supported not one but TWO convinced p*dophiles really sucks
do you dislike oda now?
Wait, who's the other?
@@bacon52212 … duh?
Alot of popular mangaka still support them.
-The fact that Oda knowingly supported not one but TWO convinced p*dophiles really sucks-
I mean knowingly I don't think anyone knew anyting until he got arrested. Also what he is supposed to do about it? watsuki is a free person they allow him his anime? What is he supposed to say there is nothing really that oda can say or do that matters. They working in the same industry so its best to be quiet.
I can separate art from the artist but not the monster from the art
Personally not seperating the art from the artist when were talking about freaking CP
The argument about seperating the art from the artist, at least your way of putting it, is incredible accurate. Because Oda himself vouched for Watsuki to comeback to work after the news broke. Hence why the Kenshin Hokaido arc is still continuing. However, no one calls out Oda for this fact. That's why I ignore discourse surrounding watching/ reading this series when people claim that you are a P*do or P*do supporter for doing so.
What do you want Oda to do, when the law enforcement themselves let Nobuhiro off the hook- ask him to take back his(Nobuhiro) sperm from his victims?
People do call out Oda, but weebs get defensive.
@@acshepard6779 maybe not defend him and welcome him back? you dont have to welcome him
I like some animes but they got a problem with weird sexual shit with Lolis and just random incest or rape when that shit just uncalled in the story I can understand a story like beserk it’s supposed to be something that’s as dark as imaginable and it does it well but then u got random shit like sword art online where his sister wants to fuck him for no reason and and either his gf or his sister gets touched twice by orcs and a elf or at least they threatened it just so random and honestly doesn’t even fit into the story well it’s like just wanted to add it just to add it
What the fuck are you even talking about none of those things matter its fiction. Its either rape or it isn't... there is no rape light or incest light.
I don't think that is a problem honestly
I heard a Great Quote forget by who but he said " If you stopped using things just because you don't like the man who made them well there wouldn't be a lot of things left to use." or something along those lines at least. I am not one of the people who stop using things because the people who make them suck. To Me, it's easy to separate the art from the Artist.
Nicely said.And true.
That's not true at all, just take a look around you.
Kenshin Himura is an honorable and honest character, its a shame the author wasnt a good example. Thats a horrible fall from grace
All time favorite manga/anime. It’s been a long, long time since I was on the manga/anime bus. But this series is the one that made me a fan for some time. Used to get the huge SJ manga issue each month in the mail and I had every volume of RK.
Such a shame that the author did what he did.
I watched a little bit of Rorouni Kenshin when I was younger and I actually wanted to pick up the manga now that I'm older but it's really hard to read the work of someone like that
If you don’t want to read it that’s fine, if you can’t separate art from the artist it’s fine
This is a real tough scenario. Separating art of the author is by no means easy when you previously enjoyed so much of their creations.
Although I admit I still enjoy watching One Piece every now and then, the fact Oda supported him made my respect for him and his entire creation fall down pretty badly. But not just Oda, my respect for the entire anime/manga industry has seriously tarnished after knowing how many authors supported him, just like how the Hollywood industry seems like garbage to me.
Kenshin will always be one of my favorite and most praised Shonen title. But I cant really recommend it to anyone to purchase. I have all 28 volumes so my friends just borrow to not continue to fund him. Since I got all 28 in like 2007.
One thing to keep in mind, making CP was illegal before then in Japan. It was the ownership of said material that was legal until 2015. Japan wasn't okay with the creation of CP, but it's still fucked up though, I agree.
real one, fictional is still allowed
@@abrahamlupis9354 2D is not CP, so I didn't feel the need to specify.
the writing is amazing . its super rare to see an author whos able to make u so emotionally invested in not just the main character but also all the supporting roles and even the main antagonist .
Remember fellas the author doesnt get fees if you sail the high seas ;)
It's not hard for me to separate the art from the artist. Yes, I feel disappointed but the beautiful memories and inspiration that the author gave me are still more dominant in me. I don't know why I feel that way. Probably because he is one of the people who fueled me to move forward in life and taught me to appreciate other anime. For me, I owe these to him.
This comment section has decreased my faith in humanity…
3:58-4:00 disagree with that statement but nonetheless it’s absolutely fucking sick that Watsuki is not in jail and is considered redeemed or paid his penance in Japan.
He is the most financially successful one and the only one to be classified as a top 10 most influential japanese people of the 21st century.
Ruroni Kenshin was my favorite series; I watched it a lot as a kid. I'm sad about what happened to the author.
Sucks.
No wonder the og series hasn’t been released on the west on Blu-ray yet.
Damn.
On the issue of separating the art from the artist….it is very tough.
I was a huge fan of the lost prophets and after the lead singer was found to be a diddler, I just couldn’t be a fan any longer. Sucks when things from your youth get corrupted due to the issues with the creator.
Great video btw. Subbed
Rurouni Kenshin transcends its creator. Hand it over to someone else, come up with an equitable arrangement to distribute the earnings, reconsider the creator's punishment for his actions (as in, actually punish him), AND monitor him highly using some of the money from his earnings to pay for the resources needed to do so in order to prevent repeating the actions. We are all dark and light. His creation has given us a lot of light. Unfortunately his dark really hurts the innocent. Keep the light going, give him enough to live on, and use the rest of what he would have earned to go towards resources to heal those who've been hurt by his (and others') actions in the realm of child porn. and trafficking. Good can come from keeping Rurouni Kenshin going. The proceeds just need to go towards the solution instead of the creator's accumulation of wealth.
I honestly wished that's what the outcome was. That would've probably been the best outcome for everyone. But iirc I think Watsuki didn't want to hand off his IP to anyone else. And I guess companies wouldn't say no to him either. Which is depressing to think about
@@mehlover Very depressing to think about. Although I only just learned, sorry to say, about Japan's Comfort Women in WWII. (sigh) There is so much I love about Japan. That said, it, as a country, has some real work to do in the of prevention and punishment of sexual transgressions against innocent parties. All countries have things to work on, mind you. This is one of there's.
I can seperate the art from the artist just enough to where I can be excitedly hype over the new Kenshin anime. But everyone elses view on things is very valid on why they won't want to , but damn kenshin really was a big thing for me. It had so many good lessons that i still take with me
A sicko that needs mental rehabilitation or a bullet to the skull won't take that away from me. His product is a masterpiece, he himself is trash..
The problem is that you can't really seperate the art from the artist here?
They aren't dead, and they're still profiting from their work. And even if you pirated it, its still showing other people 'Oh hey, this thing is pretty popular we should check it out.'
One of the first serious anime I watched that even my folks got a bit interested in, I remember growing up seeing the Toonami episodes and them looking over my shoulder as I sat on the couch...and they had to watch...
hurts so much to know he was a disgusting...just disgusting excuse for a human being.
Suppose it doesn't help he was a bit of a hack by ripping off other people's designs and so on just a bit too much...but thats like a mole hill compared to the mountain of issues he's got with the "cheese pizza" he's got
yyyyeeeeeeeaaaaahh, I ain’t gonna cap, I’m not ever gonna stop watching Ruroni Kenshin but AY, nice on you to shine light on what bro did. I’d imagine he will never be treated well in America so good on you keeping this in the lime light. Definitely still gonna be rewatching the anime tho.
I can usually separate work from the artist, but not when the artist puts their terrible tendencies ( I think that’s the right word lol) into their work. For example, made in abyss. I cannot the story because the mangaka clearly is attracted to children, and he shows that in his work and it makes me sick.
Right, I totally agree. That's why I love Ruroken so much, because I didn't see anything in it that suggested that the author was into CP. It's just a phenomenal story. Long live Ruroken.
god I hate made in abyss. every 3 pages there's literally a weird pic of a child and people just handwave it like "ermm should we censor the gore too snowflake?" like the nudity is needed for the horror
It was one of the first anime I really got into. RRK and YYH were both a big deal when I was about 13-14 years old. Back then, I was in a very dark place mentally, and both shows literally kept me going. Fast forward to when this news first broke. I think the worst part was that since I had loved RRK so much, I felt betrayed. I was also horrified and disgusted since I had spent a great deal on the manga and dvds when I myself was in his (ugh) preferred age range, and that he likely used some of that money to do terrible things. Then, he just went right back to making manga as if nothing even happened! Those poor children will never have justice
I won’t attack people who still choose to watch the remake, but I personally doubt I will be joining in. It's tainted for me. I also don't believe the creator should profit. Would have been great if the publisher could have somehow taken all ownership rights away from him so could never gain anything from it ever again
It's disgusting that the punishment for modding videogames is more severe than possessing cp in Japan.
Even "better", putting up Gmod addons based off Nintendo games is also somehow worse.
Damn its sad the stupid desision of someone can completly ruin their career and life.stripping away every thing great or great thought about someone life
Yep exactly. That's why I've been struggling to finish the Manga . I haven't finshed it since when I heard what he did at the time. It left a bad taste in my mouth. Why someone would do such a thing , when they created such a wonderful series that has touched the hearts of so many readers , is beyond me. His legacy is forever tainted unfortunately. What a horrible thing to be remembered for.
I just can't understand why someone would do such a thing in the first place.
@@foregroundeclipse8725 Oh well, even though I love Kenshin you don't miss anything if you don't see the end of it given the very questionable quality of the final arc.
@@Gonzora I gotcha. Still disappointed in the creator though for what he did. I feel guilty for reading it back before news got out of what he did. I know I had no way of knowing , but I just feel awful.
Japan is so ignorant about pedophilic crimes
No they aren't, they're aware but they look away idk why
A Japanese cannibal also got away with his crimes because Japan didn't want to deport him back to France for his trial or something. If I remember the details right, he was so heavily shunned that it actually made any possible prison time moot for the guy.
They aren’t ignorant at all to it. It’s a cultural difference. Growing up I always found it weird that the Japanese are a sexually high fetish society. But as a kid that weirdness grew to all around disgust. I guess it’s better late then never that the Japanese government finally convict CP ownership/viewership
I remember when this news first came out. I was really excited that he was continuing the manga. After I read the details of these allegations how damning they were, I really couldn't bring myself to touch any of the Rurouni Kenshin/Samurai X material anymore. I don't think it's my place to dictate if other people should or shouldn't consume Nobuhiro's works. For me personally though, it's just such a stark contrast/opposite to the message of the whole series that I just can't help feel disgusted knowing what he did.
There's still hardcore fans who excuse Watsuki's actions, or say he did nothing wrong, Ruroni Kenshin leaves a nasty taste in my mouth 🤮
This is exactly why I haven't seen the flash in theaters yet i can't see millers face and not be angry
I first saw the anime in 2020 and found out about the author after the Kyoto arc. I loved the anime and when I found out, I was disappointed. This puts me in a tricky position because I want to keep loving this series and am excited for the reboot but my biggest fear is someone thinking I'm supporting a pedo.
Pirate the series. Don’t support him financially. I usually don’t encourage pirating. But this guy does not deserve a penny from us. If he truly repented, he’d quit being a public figure and just work in himself.
If you stop watching content cuz what authors, directors, studios and actors have done dont ever look at the Hollywood scandals if you do soon you will not have anything left to watch
The controversy also ruined Kenshin for me. It broke my heart. I loved that series a lot, and Kenshin Himura was one of my all-time favorite protagonists.
But it's damn near impossible to separate art from artist here; not when the crime is this bad. I'll find myself thinking about how wrong the artist was, and knowing how sick his actions were.
great so you're going to stop using phones too right? hope you don't like avacados or oranges either. also might want to check out how half your clothes are made and how many pedos run those shops.
TLDR: dude was found with CP in his hard drive. Not only images but some really questionable stuff.
I really can't watch or read RK without having to think about the author and the horrible stuff he got himself involved in. Not really watching Kenshin anymore because of this.
I am an advocate of separating the art from the artist but, personally, when it comes to anything involving children, I really can't do that. Anyone I know or respect having CP is, to me, the biggest betrayal. It's simply unforgivable, and this video expresses the same sentiments. Really sad and horrible stuff.
Given the lack of reporting on this story in English, I was wondering how true this was for a few years. I knew about the confession but not about the evidence they had. This has put me on the fence about buying Kenshin products for a few years now.
Considering what I learned a few years ago in a video about the Japanese court system. I know that people confess to things they didn't do all the time in Japan as they will hold for years until you confess (you may as well be guilty until proven innocent in Japan) I needed to know about the evidence you presented to give me a sence of certainty of his gult as a confession under coersion as we call it here in the US doesn't mean much to me.
"I'm hoping dude wasn't a pedo because love his work"
Honestly, I feel like any anime that is more realistic has the best chance of getting a good live action movie or show because it’s not supernatural magic sci-fi, or anything just normal
But on topic of this video, it does sadden me to hear a manga, author and producer of his work hold CP. that will bring hate on the manga artists so badly and quickly.
A death of a manga artist is hurtful thing to hear, but it will never love and care to the author and there work. and I hope those we enjoy there work won’t do what that the author
Yeah, a live action with more crazy stuff only works if is a comedy, like the Gintama one.
Agree. Would've loved to see live action adaptations of mangas and anime with realistic settings. Like the ones based on historical japanese for example (like some of those mangas about the Shinsengumi or the Sengoku period). Blade of the Immortal and Rurouni Kenshin was one of those that were adapted into live action and it worked well because it doesn't rely on many special effects or CGIs, and no fantasy, sci-fi stuff. Heck maybe even mangas with gangsters/crime genres involving school delinquents would be great to adapt into live action (like Tokyo Revengers, Crows, and then Kyou Kara Ore Wa).
I remembered this whole author situation because of what happened with ActAge author.
Dude was easily gonna be super successful in the mainstream, but then he decided to sexually assault a child 💀
Yea i still don't understand why he did that, what's the point of throwing away your entire future for something that's purely wrong.
Well, what he did is disgusting, but to be precise, he went after high school girls. Even if they are minors, they are not "child".
Semantics.
Everyone under 18 is a minor so who cares about being "precise."
@@GonzoraBut not fully grown.. Teenagers are not adults
You probably know that Ruroni Kenshin will come back in July and me, as an anime translater, I'll translate this anime in Turkish. That's why I wanna learn everything -without spoilers- that I can and that made me really sad though. However one of my teacher said to me about this kind of situations. "Do not respect to the artist, respect to art."
We just had a special screening of rurouni kenshin at cinema yesterday
He may of "ruined his legacy" but he DID NOT ruin what came of it
It doesn't change how inspirational and inspiring his works were as they literally have NOTHING to do with what he did in the slightest
When Kenshin has his 'Your strength has grown...but your mind has weakened, The will to live is stronger than anything' speech, you don't think "OmG sINcE tHE auThoR iS A MoNSteR iT DoESNt matTeR aNYmoRE", unless you're completely delusional and unable to seperate art from the artist (man is that picking and choosing in this day and age aswell) it shouldn't matter
You're not supporting the guy behind it, you're supporting the message of the creation
For me it's impossible to separate the art from the artist unless you are flat-out pirating their work. If you don't then the money you spend trying to consume their content will still go to them which is a direct tie between the art and the artist.
I remember when I was 7 I was obsessed with rurouni kenshin and bought a first few volumes of the manga and some shounen jump magazines at the time. Nobuhiro Watsuki had an authors page talking about how he took a child psychology class in college and was praising children on how amazing they are. Absolutely chilling looking back.
Dude really...? Jesus Christ man, the fact he's a sicko just makes that scenary really fucked up, huh...
This series is one of the only few I got complete in physical copies, bought 20 years ago, and for me was the shonen masterpiece alongside FMA. It was a very important series in my teen years, I still read it from time to time, but now I just can't read and not remember what this author has done and my money went to these sort of activities.
The worst of all is there is people willing to downplay these matters. The internet is a cesspool and the bottom must be anime related forums, I've seen people trying to say that it was just only high school girls like it was less of a problem, the same kind of people that got mad because age of consent in Japan has been raised recently. It's just puke inducing and I hope these people just don't ever abandon their shitholes because nothing good will come out of that. And on top of that, he continues to publish like nothing ever happened.
Also to add on, Lliden films did Berserk, you are correct, they have also done Tokyo Revengers and in addition to Kenshin they will be doing the Atelier Ryza adaptation
Berserk was made by Millepensee and Gemba. Liden films was only a production company who helped fund it
Along with Oda, Hiroyuki Takei was taken under his wing, the creator of Shaman King (my fav anime series) and you can really see his inspiration reflected in his pupils, with Zoro and his strong sense of loyalty and Amidamaru an honorable Samurai spirit that serves the Protag in Shaman King. SK also makes a point to value non-violence (ironic for a shonen) as Kenshin did, a shame this message gets blurred given the creators actions
Yeah I have started and stopped it multiple times and also never read made in abyss cause everytime I see little kid characters I just get reminded of the authors actions and it makes me sick. Its sad their are so many great artist and art pieces that are tainted by the creators own selfish desires but it seems many people when they get some kind of power use it for sexual satisfaction and its pretty pathetic.
I have to separate the art from the artist since I grew up with rurouni kenshin it’s literally my favorite Shonen manga of all time next to yu yu hakusho. It just sucks that the author is such a disgusting person
I'll never forget how much I enjoyed watching the anime on Toonami around 2 decades ago. I have to separate those great childhood memories from what he would eventually be found guilty of all those years later.
Damn got me felling old lol. I'm only 30 lol
@@mikethepokemaster2012 I'm right around your age, too haha
can't separate the art from the artist when it comes to cp
Thank you for reviving this terrible fact. I don’t think people should stop liking Rurouni Kenshin, but I do think everyone should know what he did and decide for themselves what to do.
unlike Act Age
@@abrahamlupis9354 didn’t even know about it, but I didn’t know about his work either
I think it's possible to separate art from the artist the same way you separate a bad parent from a child, or work from pleasure. People do things with different sets in mind. This is specially true in Japan, where the whole "3 faces" behavior is so common. You don't think the same way when you are alone and in your private life. And if this would be such an issue, the art would be tainted in one way or another by the author's sin, yet you don't see it or would never link this anime and manga to such awful material.