Shocking SSL EQ Issue - 20 SSL Channel Strip Plugins Measuring
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- Опубліковано 18 кві 2022
- Measuring SSL EQ of 20 SSL Channel Strip Plugins reveals SSL High Pass Filter problem. You can't apply Mixing Tips properly with it and you c wrongly. You choose the Best Plugins based on it. We will use Tolerance and a Frequency Analyzer. To Attend a free trial Class of this Mixing Course online send email to: mixingcourse@andrewzeleno.com
In This Video We Will Talk About: It has three parts. Fundamentals and tasks including how Filters work and their Tolerance. Then this mind-blowing issue itself with measuring. Then why it gives you the sound you don't expect. How it will wrongly influence your choices of your favorite plugins. How you can't properly apply suggestions from famous mixing engineers. And how you learn frequencies in a wrong way because of this bug. We will check why to cut frequencies with a Frequency Analyzer. Examples based on Hip Hop kick and bass and their low end and sub frequencies with SSL Highpass Filter. Examples on a heavy rock music with high gain electric guitar and a bass guitar with distortion to address muddiness and Frequency Masking Effect. Examples with EDM beat and EQing synthesizers like Lead and Keys. Then the problem itself measured on 20 different plugins based on Solid State Logic Channel Strip. And a very important part about why it matters so much with 4 different aspects you affect with issue. Mostly shown based on 18db/oct low cut filter of the Black Knob. We will avoid the Brown Knob to speed up. We will use Brainworx Console SSL 4000E, BX SSL 4000G, BX Console SSL 9000J, Universal Audio SSL Channel Strip 4000 E, Waves SSLChannel, Waves SSLEQ, Waves SSLG Channel, Waves CLA MixHub, IK Multimedia British Channel, IK White Channel which is kind of SSL 9000, Native Instruments Solid EQ, SSL Native 2 Channel Strip which is SSL 9000K or Duality Channel Strip, Softube Console 1 4000 E Channel Strip, Softube SSL 9000 K Channel Strip, Acustica Audio Send 3, Acustica Audio Send3 EQPE. To measure and analyze we will use Voxengo SPAN PLUS and FabFilter Pro-Q3. We will be talking about values around a filter knobs as well. How people commonly can't hear low frequencies properly. Sub woofers. And why sometimes people can't just use their ears.
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I recommend to watch these videos:
1) Typical Wrong EQing VS Top Mixing with EQ ua-cam.com/video/-_dcqrIPPIc/v-deo.html
2) Mind-Blowing Mixing Mirror Frequency Effect ua-cam.com/video/Ky5BeD5GeoU/v-deo.html
3) Sweep EQ Technique Used Wrong by Many Mixers ua-cam.com/video/CCNORzxfgb0/v-deo.html
4) Mixing for Beginners - Amazing Tutorial on Misconceptions
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5) The Most Advanced Kick and Bass Mixing Technique (T and S)
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“Vintage sounding graphic editor” 😂😂😂😂
:)
This definitely highlights the importance of mixing with your ears especially when using plugins modeled after analog gear
I’m on this dude’s online class, 6 months in already, it’s awesome 👏
Hi Dmitrii! Thanks for feedback. See you on Thursday!
Did you go into the course as a beginner? How much would u say your mixes have improved?
@@JusTVIDSE yeah, man, I’m Mike Dean in this bitch, CLA is taking notes 📝 and nervously smoking enviously in the corner
@@uncazzoverde i keep hearing so much good stuff it's unbelievable to me really, thinking of giving it a try
@@JusTVIDSE bro it’s a free lesson out there, you don’t lose anything. See for yourself . That’s how I got addicted
The most important part is those 4 dangerous things related to this problem. Very serious analytical skills! Great job!
Thanks!
That’s super helpful - thanks for a great video Andrew. Cheers.
Thanks Dave!
Great video! Rare information like always. Thank you Andrew for the best audio engenering course! Keep doing awesome videos too🙂
Hi Dima! Glad to hear from a former student.
So well explained! You are amazing!
Thanks!
thank you for this great video , in addition to the amazing class today as usual.
Thanks Malik. See you on Thursday.
finished the course a year ago! awesome experience as for advanced, so is for absolute beginners. and such nerdy nitpicking as here, opens up the eyes on entire marketing horror we are facing in the industry. big up, Andrew!
Hi Egor! Nice you hear from you! Great to hear!
Привет Егор. Привет. Мое видео НА РУССКОМ про главную ошибку при Эквализации. Почему большинство звукорежиссеров неправильно ищут «плохие» частоты. Как правильно. И Что такое понятие баланс на самом деле ua-cam.com/video/rWHPIlN8F20/v-deo.html
Very Interesting. Thank you for sharing this.
You are welcome Marcus!
Hi Andrew! Just wow! Thanks for this video!
My pleasure!
@@AndrewZeleno1 It's really good!
You make the best video's! Thank you for all your help!!
This topic was an eye opener for me. Most of us have been listening for years about the techniques of great mixing and mastering engineers without having these nuances into account. When they say “I always cut the vocal at 60hz” or “I always boost 3k+” we need to critically ask ourselves what exactly that means and not blindly do the same in our mixes. That is why Andrew’s course is so special: you will learn to think and hear critically, and, among many other topics, you will learn how many classic and modern audio tools behave and how you can apply their specific characteristics in your mixes. Thank you for another great video, Andrew.
Thanks Hugo. And see you on Thursday!
Thank you for this. Hugely helpful for some of us entering the SSL world.
You are welcome!
Great video, Andrew! Very interesting and well explained.
Glad you liked it!
Hi! About Vocal Mixing! I reveal Hidden Ideas of Chris Lord-Alge's plugin that nobody revealed before. Input changes EQ, Harmonics change, real EQ curves and their flaws, Hidden Compressor settings. I appreciate if you will comment under the video on the video's subject.
ua-cam.com/video/WjDVg4BBq40/v-deo.html
Summary: what professionals in the sector always say, mix with your ears, not with your eyes.
great explanation
The summary of this video: "20 different SSL plugins show different results. Some of plugins are precise. Some not. Some give even more cut. Know you plugin. And Enjoy. I'm a big fan of SSL". It's what was said in the video.
The thing that's great about rolling off in the right spots is the clarity and separation you can achieve!!! Still the best UA-cam channel!
Thanks!
Andrew Zeleno brings a fresh knowledge for the world again!
Thanks Audrius! Nice to hear from you!
As usually top content!
Thanks!
I totally advise anyone that’s into learning to take his course! It’s definitely a huge game changer. It was for me!🙏🏽
Thanks my friend! Just release today a new video "Never Compare EQ Plugins Like This" video. Find it in your UA-cam feed.
Long time man ... always good to see your videos
Thanks! Great to hear from you!
Thanks for the information you provide in your videos! I didn't know about that! And i've been using the brainworx ssl e channel for a month or so and was asking why it's so boomy. So thanks for clearing that up!
Glad to help!
This is why it's sooo important to know your tools! Great stuff man!
I agree man. Andrew is amazing.
Thanks!
Hi! My Vocal Mixing Video reveals Hidden Ideas of Chris Lord-Alge's Plugin. Those Mixing Concepts are not explained neither by Chris Lord-Alge nor by Waves. Input changes EQ, Harmonics change, real EQ curves and their flaws, Hidden Compressor settings. I appreciate if you will comment under the video on the video's subject.
ua-cam.com/video/WjDVg4BBq40/v-deo.html
Part2 of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets which Waves and CLA hid inside of their plugin. I show even settings of Chris Lord-Alge Reverb with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video. Check it out and I appreciate your comments under the video. You support me by commenting.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
Hey! I measure a compressor and show how exactly it changes the frequencies of an instrument. So a compressor is EQ as well: ua-cam.com/video/8kH3WqZBO2M/v-deo.html
Very informative...thank you :)
You are very welcome!
Thank you for this!
You are very welcome!
Андрей профессионал. Для меня это было самое полное и действительно важное обучение звукорежиссуре. Крайне рекомендую
Спасибо Серж! Рад слышать от бывшего студента!
Nice video! Thank you for sharing this information!
My pleasure!
2nd Part of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets! I show even settings to copy his Reverbs with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video. Check it out and I appreciate your comments under the video. You support me by commenting.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
Андрей Лучший! Спасибо за такие Видео и прекрасный курс!))
Спасибо! Рад был вас обучать.
На английском Мое видео про сведение ВОКАЛА разоблачает СКРЫТЫЕ идеи плагина Крис Лорд-Элджа. Эти концепции седения не объяснены ни Крисом ни Waves компанией. Как вход меняет EQ, какая структура гармоник, реальные кривые EQ и их недостатки, спрятанные настройки компрессоров. Буду благодарен если вы оставите комментарий под видео на тему видео.
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Definitely worthy knowledge sir.
Thanks!
I'm currently enrolled in Andrew's course. After learning many tools of the audio engineering trade from AZ, I can attest to the fact he is a sonic savant in regards to his mastery of every facet of the audio technical aspect umbrella. I've mostly worked as a mixing/mastering hobbyist for about twenty years, personally, and this is without a doubt, the most in-depth analysis and breakdown of the audio science I have witnessed. Be it equalization methods, studio room acoustic treatment, compression workflow, panorama strategies, microphone selection for intended use-cases, Andrew has got it covered.
This is coming from someone who personally thought they were obsessed in the late-nights, tinkering away to experiment with different mixing plans, only to realise that there are indeed, levels to dedication of the craft and I have much to learn. A great recommendation from me, to partake on your audio engineering journey with AZ's instruction to assist you heavily in your improvement of listening skills and proper application in of mixing/mastering skillset.
Thanks man! Very pleasant to hear from my student we did great at the course!
You are the best Andrew, We bust different myths and different kinds of bullshit, hahaha you tell it exactly how it is. Ill be signing up to check out your course as soon as i can afford it man. Kudos
Keep it up
Thanks man. I will publish a bunch of vides soon including the myth-busting ones.
fantastic video andrew!
Thanks!
My Vocal Mixing Video reveals Hidden Ideas of Chris Lord-Alge's Plugin. Those Mixing Concepts are not explained neither by Chris Lord-Alge nor by Waves. Input changes EQ, Harmonics change, real EQ curves and their flaws, Hidden Compressor settings. I appreciate if you will comment under the video on the video's subject.
ua-cam.com/video/WjDVg4BBq40/v-deo.html
2nd Part of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets! I show even settings to copy his Reverbs with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video. Check it out and I appreciate your comments under the video. You support me by commenting.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
You're the best. Hands down!
Thanks!
Great job!👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Thank you! Cheers!
Part2 of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets which Waves and CLA hid inside of their plugin. I show even settings of Chris Lord-Alge Reverb with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video. Check it out and I appreciate your comments under the video. You support me by commenting.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
brilliant ! Thanks Andrew!
Hi Max. Thanks!
Hi Max. Part2 of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets which Waves and CLA hid inside of their plugin. I show even settings of Chris Lord-Alge Reverb with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video. Check it out and I appreciate your comments under the video. You support me by commenting.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
Thank you very much. I work with the console 1 and this is really good to know
Absolutely!
Great video! Thank you!
Hi! About Vocal Mixing! I reveal Hidden Ideas of Chris Lord-Alge's plugin that nobody revealed before. Input changes EQ, Harmonics change, real EQ curves and their flaws, Hidden Compressor settings. I appreciate if you will comment under the video on the video's subject.
ua-cam.com/video/WjDVg4BBq40/v-deo.html
2nd Part of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets! I show even settings to copy his Reverbs with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
This is why you mix with your ears and not with your eyes. Great video Andrew!
Exactly! Thanks!
Oh...sh!t it's amazing....best cours on the earth from Andrew. Tnx bro for this! You are the best!
Thanks Artur. See you at the class.
Very good tips and clear explanations. You are the man
I appreciate that! Check my latest video as well.
Do you think about compressors as EQs. If not, check my last video here: ua-cam.com/video/8kH3WqZBO2M/v-deo.html
one more step to better mixes! Thank you
You are welcome!
Как всегда легендарный материал, спасибо !
Спасибо! А вы тот самый известный рэппер?
@@AndrewZeleno1 Наверное можно и так сказать)))) приятно познакомиться)
Оооо, какие люди!
Приятно познакомиться :)
Ого, какие заблудшие души)
I love the high and low cut filters in Reasons SSL mixer.
Andrew, Спасибо! Классно и очень интересно.. я интуитивно чувствовал эти фильтры в SSL, они казались мне мягче на низах, все оказалось вот так "просто". Вообще, классно показывать такую тему сравнений плагинов делающих одно и то же и эмулирующих одно и то же - но по разному
Спасибо
Великолепное видео, спасибо
This is one of the characteristics Andrew always tends to push into us. Along with mixing and its techniques, also look into things with a real audio engineer perspective. Of course one needs to know what to look for, and I am sure this is, due to his experience, something that definitely was not responding as expected, hence the analysis.
Great job as always, and another clear example of not to follow what your eyes see, but fully understand things. Thanks Master, and keep up the good work.
Thanks Manuel!
Thank you for sharing the info 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
You are so welcome
2nd Part of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets! I show even settings to copy his Reverbs with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video. Check it out and I appreciate your comments under the video. You support me by commenting.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
Thank you for the real example about Ice Cube's 60 Hz LowCut filter. Really interesting material)
My pleasure!
НА РУССКОМ языке мое новое видео про Эквалайзер и главную ошибку при его использовании. Почему большинство звукорежиссеров неправильно ищут «плохие» частоты. Плюс важные дополнения в видео и кучу примеров ua-cam.com/video/rWHPIlN8F20/v-deo.html
This is what I call real talent!
Thanks for watching!
It's nice to see that the SSL Native version does a better job of this. I already thought it sounded better than the Waves version and it's easier to level match, so I feel validated in this choice.
I have SSL products like: Alpha channel, Mynx, SSL 4000E EQ, 9000 Preamp, 9000 Dynamics, 9000 EQ, SSL UF1, SSL UF8, the second SSL UF8, SSL UC1. And I was an official tester of Native Channel Trip v.1. Now I'm helping SSL with their bugs on UF1 and UF8. SSL is a top notch brand. With some issues of course.
Bear in mind the ssl native is modeled after the 9000 K which is their most modern circuitry
Супер, очень сильно, спасибо за видео.
Пожалуйста!
🔥🔥🔥
:)
great stuff thank you!!
Hi Canadian bro. Freedom!
Hi! My Vocal Mixing Video reveals Hidden Ideas of Chris Lord-Alge's Plugin. Those Mixing Concepts are not explained neither by Chris Lord-Alge nor by Waves. Input changes EQ, Harmonics change, real EQ curves and their flaws, Hidden Compressor settings. I appreciate if you will comment under the video on the video's subject.
ua-cam.com/video/WjDVg4BBq40/v-deo.html
Part2 of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets which Waves and CLA hid inside of their plugin. I show even settings of Chris Lord-Alge Reverb with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
thx a lot for this vid - I wouldn't believe it if I didn't see it
You are welcome!
Ok, so now I know why I always use Fabfilter when I need surgical cuts.
Dude, this video was great and explains why I always had to cut more low end after the SSL E (waves/BX) cause it just still felt like there is too much left.
Thanks for watching. btw the 2nd Part of my Vocal Mixing Video is just released. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets which Waves and CLA hid inside of their plugin. I show even settings of Chris Lord-Alge Reverb with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video. Check it out and I appreciate your comments under the video. You support me by commenting.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
Hi. Short video on Why Compressor is EQ with measuring and my analog LA2A and vocals: ua-cam.com/video/8kH3WqZBO2M/v-deo.html
Hello! Should I put Steven Slate's Virtual Tape Machine on the DAW master channel before SSL FUSION with VINTAGE DRIVE enabled? Won't it be oil anointed with another extra oil and create unnecessary distortion?
Comment for support!
Thanks! I test the focusrite SC and works like a charm!
Focusrite is pretty limited due to its very wide curves with a minimum boosts.
@@AndrewZeleno1 yes, but it works for me because now when I use the channel strips I trust more in my ears and own taste and I mix better that way. I use fabfilters when I need to fix surgical problems, but the graphics in constantly motion of the spectrum distract my attention, I know it's sound silly but the lack of option help me more in this case, work faster and confident that way. Anyway, I thank you for sharing your vast experience with this test of this filters, I always find myself trust in my ears when applying this filters and sometimes
I was always amazed at how much I had to push them to get the behavior I expected in some ssl emulations and I understand that for learning porpouse is useless because of how treacherous they can be.
Hi! About Vocal Mixing! I reveal Hidden Ideas of Chris Lord-Alge's plugin that nobody revealed before. Input changes EQ, Harmonics change, real EQ curves and their flaws, Hidden Compressor settings. I appreciate if you will comment under the video on the video's subject.
ua-cam.com/video/WjDVg4BBq40/v-deo.html
2nd Part of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets! I show even settings to copy his Reverbs with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
What Do you think of Kirchhoff EQ? Just curious...
gracias andrew por este video. el año pasado descubrí el problema del high pass filter con algunos plugins de slate digital y de ssl. me siento mucho más claro con tu explicación 👌👂 finalmente el low end lo trabajo con fab filter por ser más preciso
My Vocal Mixing Video reveals Hidden Ideas of Chris Lord-Alge's Plugin. Those Mixing Concepts are not explained neither by Chris Lord-Alge nor by Waves. Input changes EQ, Harmonics change, real EQ curves and their flaws, Hidden Compressor settings. I appreciate if you will comment under the video on the video's subject.
ua-cam.com/video/WjDVg4BBq40/v-deo.html
Part2 of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets which Waves and CLA hid inside of their plugin. I show even settings of Chris Lord-Alge Reverb with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video. Check it out and I appreciate your comments under the video. You support me by commenting.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
Hi. Check how a comp becomes EQ: ua-cam.com/video/8kH3WqZBO2M/v-deo.html
Thanks for sharing, Andrew, this is very important. It's not the right imperfections they're trying to model for modern DAW workflow. Also, most devs dont really put much thought into user experience design. Plugin manufacturers need to understand we're mostly using mice with their software
SSL is one my favorites. I mean just know this issue from my video and then it becomes great.
Thanks for video, very informativy! I have ssl duende & waves ssl g chanell - is my favorite chanel strips
SSL is great. There are many things aboutit people don't know. I shared only a little part of it.
2nd Part of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets! I show even settings to copy his Reverbs with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video. Check it out and I appreciate your comments under the video. You support me by commenting.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
This is the reason why you are the best. You really think deeply about it, check every little nuance and take everything into account. Love it. By the way, is it the full version of SPAN?
Thanks! Yes. It's the full version.
This video is also a great example of why a reference track is necessary.
Hi! My Vocal Mixing Video reveals Hidden Ideas of Chris Lord-Alge's Plugin. Those Mixing Concepts are not explained neither by Chris Lord-Alge nor by Waves. Input changes EQ, Harmonics change, real EQ curves and their flaws, Hidden Compressor settings. I appreciate if you will comment under the video on the video's subject.
ua-cam.com/video/WjDVg4BBq40/v-deo.html
Part2 of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets which Waves and CLA hid inside of their plugin. I show even settings of Chris Lord-Alge Reverb with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
"I'm from Canada" 🤣🤣 what a great video mate, mind blown.
Thanks!
2nd Part of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets! I show even settings to copy his Reverbs with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video. Check it out and I appreciate your comments under the video. You support me by commenting.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
I discovered this problem on my own like this: I was managing my plugins due to lack of cpu power and I noticed I really didn't needed Pro-Q3 as I already had an SSL before it with a potent EQ so why the heck not boost 2 db at 3k there instead and spare some cpu, right? Well, no, 3k on SSL E by Waves is actually 3900 Hz, wtf. Opened up and analyzer and I was amazed, now I compensate in my mind before any moves on that EQ or Filters. Great video, much appreciated!
What you discovered is tolerance. Sometimes the value can be on point. But with this thing it can't be on point. It's always gives less cut than you set up. And they fixed it in their Duality console and Native 2 plugin. So it was not just tolerance. It was this shift by design in 4000 and J consoles.
AZ…. I’m a previous student of Andrew’s and this is another great example of how his course cuts through the hype and myths of audio engineering! What you’ve shown here Andrew are programming errors of these various plugin manufacturers…. Analog equipment will always have slight variations due to electronic component values (tolerance) BUT computer programmed plugins should NEVER be so imprecise!!! Thanks Andrew for another ‘ugly truth’…. 👍😊
A bit different point in comparison to what I showed. Actually I proved that it's not the tolerance in this video. It's the tendency of those earlier and later SSLs. And if a person want SSL 4000 sound these plugins should be not precise as the originals are. The point is just know when exact frequency you cut. Then you get the proper results and your ears learn frequencies properly.
@@AndrewZeleno1 "The point is just know when exact frequency you cut. Then you get the proper results and your ears learn frequencies properly." as always you are correct! Thank you!
Thanks Eugene!
I would gladly buy it if Softube Console One would offer an "SSL 4000 Corrected" plugin where the graphics were an accurate representation of what frequencies are actually being boosted or cut.
It seems RIDICULOUS that modern plugins emulate known technical failings of vintage gear. Thanks Andrew!
Magnificent
Thanks!
Part2 of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets which Waves and CLA hid inside of their plugin. I show even settings of Chris Lord-Alge Reverb with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video.
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Numbers against experience, experience against numbers … as Chris Lord Alge and also others experienced mixing and mastering engineers says: “train and use your ears” This will create your own sound and your confidence not just to copy what others people doing. Thanks for your review and your interesting work.
Absolutely! Thanks!
Hi! My Vocal Mixing Video reveals Hidden Ideas of Chris Lord-Alge's Plugin. Those Mixing Concepts are not explained neither by Chris Lord-Alge nor by Waves. Input changes EQ, Harmonics change, real EQ curves and their flaws, Hidden Compressor settings. I appreciate if you will comment under the video on the video's subject.
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Part2 of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets which Waves and CLA hid inside of their plugin. I show even settings of Chris Lord-Alge Reverb with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video.
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this is facking incredible
Thanks Eduardo!
Last year I did almost this exact same experiment with various SSL emus until finally settling on the SSL strip V2.
I find it interesting in a good way that Solid State Logic modeled their own circuit but fixed what was a known quirk back in the day. The EQ is still the same punchy character that I remember -only more visually accurate. Also it seems they did not choose to model the console noise and/or a ton of saturation either.
Hats off to Solid State Logic for actually improving on their original design and knowing the difference between novelty and practicality.
Actually SSL 9000 emulations don't have the same character in some things. And even 4000E and 9000E have specific difference. Add to it a lot of difference between plugins themselves and you get pretty different sounding plugins. But I can't share 90% of those nuances in the videos. I keep it for the students.
Это конечно нечто, работаю со звуком седьмой год, чем дальше тем замысловатее, вот как новичок может правильно чему либо научиться если такие косяки повсюду, это ведь не только EQ касается, с компрессорами скорее всего тоже самое нет? Вообщем ребята у кого есть возможность, залетайте на курс не пожалеете. Я вот после семи лет думал что уже много чего знаю, оказалось не знаю практически нечего. Всегда было очень много догадок но не понимания сути. Андрей просто ставит вещи на свои места. Моё почтение за такие труды.
Спасибо Виктор. Рад слышать. До встречи на следующем занятии.
Great! I have found out that on Softube SSl 4000 the low knobs frequencies and low mid knob frequencies don´t really match when you choose the same number! It is all very interesting!
You are welcome!
truth. and try boosting some 800hz on the bx ssl e channelstrip: its more like 500hz!
so yeah, mix wirh your ears not by numbers. although come one, its 2022! make them numbers right and get the gui userfriendly. its a PLUGIN not a HARDWARE!
I keep watching this video its sooo crazy.
Hi. Glad you like it. Btw 2nd Part of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets! I show even settings to copy his Reverbs with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video. Check it out and I appreciate your comments under the video. You support me by commenting.
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My "a compressor is EQ" video where I proive that a compressor changes frequencies and how exactly: ua-cam.com/video/8kH3WqZBO2M/v-deo.html
@@AndrewZeleno1 already watching lol
It's a comment to support this video.
I always thought the ssl had a 6db/oct filter because of how "ineffective" and I heard other people say you need to push it more (waves ssl specifically). For more precise, more low down the sub range I'd just use pro q or similar since I can't hear much bellow ~50Hz in my room.
Thank you for testing and making this video, now I know more and can use the plug in better, even if thankfully I never had any problem or wrong expectations with it. The whole thing is crazy, just put the 50hz knob at 50hz plug in devs. We don't like hardware because of mislabel pots.
Thanks. Black Knob and 9000 has 18db/oct. Brown Knob has 12db/oct.
My Vocal Mixing Video reveals Hidden Ideas of Chris Lord-Alge's Plugin. Those Mixing Concepts are not explained neither by Chris Lord-Alge nor by Waves. Input changes EQ, Harmonics change, real EQ curves and their flaws, Hidden Compressor settings. I appreciate if you will comment under the video on the video's subject.
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Welp I have the brainwrox 4000e and the SSL Channel strip 2. I always wondered why the SSL one always sounded tighter at the same cuts. Looks like Ill keep using the Channel strip 2 by SSL
I'm still waiting for your reply in skype or email :)
Great teacher. Was in his class but had to pull out due to some health issues. Looking to get back in class in the fall.
You are always welcome to come back. See you later.
Thank you Andrew. I'm actually annoyed. I've decided to stop using Analog style vst's. As you said, I did want to cut 49hz with an ssl, and its not doing what I trusted it to do. Now I have to check my waves f6 for its accuracy. Not only did I just purchase plugging doctor, I still have to run pink noise through my plugins. Smh. I recently set out to minimise my plugging list. So I thank you again for pointing out these serious flaws or frauds. I never considered myself a victim of commercial advertisement. But I've been duped again.
My test to match the curve with plugging doctor and waves pluggings with high pass filter 18db.
F6 50hz = ssl channel 83hz
F6 80hz = ssl channel 104hz
F6 100hz = ssl channel 118hz
F6 110hz = ssl channel 133hz
Wow this is ridiculous. Yes you should use your ears but come on, we use tools to achieve certain goals, image if a ruler did this?
You measure a door with your work colleagues ruler, he goes home, you build the door using measurements from your ruler. And the door doesn't fit 😆
I feel your feelings :) I can reveal tons of BS going in in audio engineering field and bust tons of plugins for bugs and issues. But I have to keep it for my students. My policy is to reveal only a bit in my videos as teaching is my main job.
btw My Vocal Mixing Video reveals Hidden Ideas of Chris Lord-Alge's Plugin. Those Mixing Concepts are not explained neither by Chris Lord-Alge nor by Waves. Input changes EQ, Harmonics change, real EQ curves and their flaws, Hidden Compressor settings. I appreciate if you will comment under the video on the video's subject.
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Shocking!? now I have to watch
:)
@@AndrewZeleno1 very nicely explained dude.
Hi! My Vocal Mixing Video reveals Hidden Ideas of Chris Lord-Alge's Plugin. Those Mixing Concepts are not explained neither by Chris Lord-Alge nor by Waves. Input changes EQ, Harmonics change, real EQ curves and their flaws, Hidden Compressor settings. I appreciate if you will comment under the video on the video's subject.
ua-cam.com/video/WjDVg4BBq40/v-deo.html
Part2 of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets which Waves and CLA hid inside of their plugin. I show even settings of Chris Lord-Alge Reverb with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video.
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So some of them have much more lows then we choose, few close to the frequency we choose, some cut even more. Important stuff!
Thanks for watching!
This is crazy! I wonder if the 3X on the Brainworx would make the HP be right. Or if the 3X is a whole new can of worms....
Я всегда делаю lowcut на слух при помощи анализаторов, пользуюсь единственной ssl от waves. И, как выяснилось, полагаться на цифры не приходится.
Спасибо за очередное полезное видео.
Пожалуйста!
часть2 видео про Сведение вокала и спратанным нюанскам которые никто не знает. По плагину Крис Лорд-Элджа. На английском но ноятно должно быть. Реверб, Дилей и Гармонайзер секреты. Я даже показываю как повторить его Реверб плагинами Лексикон. Крис Лрд-Элдж говорит что его Слеп Дилей это Дилей Джона Ленона 166мс. И это НЕ ТАК! :)
Покажу. Много неизвестных вещей по его техникам и много чего можно изучить из этого видео. Также как обычно я ценю ваши комментарии под видео. Так вы выражаете поддержку.
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Мое видео НА РУССКОМ про главную ошибку при Эквализации. Почему большинство звукорежиссеров неправильно ищут «плохие» частоты. Как правильно. И Что такое понятие баланс на самом деле ua-cam.com/video/rWHPIlN8F20/v-deo.html
今回のセミナーでは差をわかりやすくするためにこの曲だけUSAシグネイチャーでプレイしました、要するにピックアップがHS-3のものです.
やはりハムスタックはクリアですがフェイズがかった今風のイングヴェイトーンになりますね。純粋なシングルコイルのFS-1とはかなり響きが違います。
でもこの音はトリロジーアルバムの感じが出ていると思います。Ну думаю, ты понял!
These SSL plugins are emulating analog desk gear as you know. This is not a bug as much as it is a marketing ploy. They will say "listen to how warm it sounds while highpassing". It gives the illusion of analog when really it is just a trick. When using this stuff, you gotta use your ears and not the writing on the knobs. I found this by accident when I was cutting masters and rolling off 83hz on average when it should have been 40hz.. You are spot on with this!
Not sure how you listened to my video. It's a bug not with ssl emulations. It's a bug with mixing workflow for people who uses SSL. If they plan too cut 50Hz and thhey want 50 Hz the equipment should provide it. Even SSL company closer to 2000 said "Oh sh*t. We have to fix it" and they fixed it in K and Duality. It's engineering. You don't build bridges based on the wrong numbers and they fall apart. From the other side read the comment section. 95% of people say "OMG. I need to know it. I thought it's precise". So "listen with your ears" is not an excuse for many uses of SSL equipment and plugin emulations. This comment section proves it.
Secondly "use your ears" don't work in some the most important situations. Example: You need to cut low dirt on a vocal. Vocal doesn't have lows by its nature. So if plan to cut 80Hz? If you put 80Hz you cut less than 50Hz. You will not hear the difference because low dirt is very quiet and by ears on a vocal it will be difficult to say if you really cut 80 or 40Hz. So people need the precise value when they cut 80Hz they want to be sure it will be 80Hz.
I wish they were matched. I do believe we should focus on our ears, but even then the resolution and accuracy of these knobs would only be better if they work as they indicate. I don't see a reason most developers have this mathematically simple filter wrong.
Remember, normally would be hi passed to tape and then once again on return due to low end tape bass bump
The best and most accurate eq was either soundcraft or Midas
Andrew, what about high cut/ high shelf filters on these ssl plugins? Do they also lie?
In this video not every SSL numbers are a lie. SSL Native 2 Channel Strip has pretty precise numbers. And IK Multimedia ones. So it will depend on the a particular plugin.
@@AndrewZeleno1 I understand that, but nevertheless, Waves, these are so popular and every youtuber shouts that “you should boost high frequencies”, so the question remains relevant.
Я тоже замечал что waves ssl как-то низы фильтрует слабо, поэтому я часто могу на максимум выкрутить фильтр, чтобы прям лишнее срезать, а потом отпускаю его до нужного звучания.
Значит уши ваши работают!
You should always use your ears. If it sounds right (with good monitoring), it is right. If you don't have decent monitoring or experience, you are going to struggle anyway. These are all modelled from actual hardware consoles. These are not bugs. That said, it's interesting that you measured it.
I never said it's a bug like a bug. Watch the video please. I specifically mentioned many times the point of this video. Here is the point: "20 different SSL plugins show different results. Some of plugins are precise. Some not. Some give even more cut. Know you plugin. And Enjoy. I'm a big fan of SSL".
Also "use your ears" is a pretty phrase which is far from what people can really do. The truth is the majority don't hear those things. Not everyone can say if they cut 30 or 60 due to many reasons.
@@AndrewZeleno1 Yeah I see your point about the differences between the plugins and thank you for taking the time to do your experiments. I personally use Console One and have a number of their channel strips. This just confirms to me why I end up cutting much higher using the SSL ones than I would using other EQs. Again, I'm using my ears though!! People really shouldn't be mixing by numbers anyway. Also, how can you mix that stuff if you can't hear it? I understand that your target audience (your customers, let's not forget) might have less than optimal monitoring, but really you should be encouraging them to sort that out first rather than suggesting they mix blind like this (in my humble opinion). Again, I thank you because I did find it really intersting.
@@hmmty The point is 50 Hz of many of SSl emulations is 20 Hz. 99% don't know it. So it's the fact. Thus this video is amazing. End of story. Ears is BS. If you check many comparisons on UA-cam people can't even say what's is brighter.
Excellent video you make me want to buy a used car
Why? :)
спасибо
Пожалуйста.
Привет! На английском Мое видео про сведение ВОКАЛА разоблачает СКРЫТЫЕ идеи плагина Крис Лорд-Элджа. Эти концепции седения не объяснены ни Крисом ни Waves компанией. Как вход меняет EQ, какая структура гармоник, реальные кривые EQ и их недостатки, спрятанные настройки компрессоров. Буду благодарен если вы оставите комментарий под видео на тему видео.
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Вторая часть видео про Сведение вокала и по Крис Лорд-Элдж плагину.
Реверб, Дилей и Гармонайзер секреты. Я деж показываю как повторить его Реверб плагинами Лексикон. Крис Лрд-Элдж говорит что его Слеп Дилей это Дилей Джона Ленона 166мс. И это НЕ ТАК! :)
Покажу. Много неизвестных вещей по его техникам и много чего можно изучить из этого видео.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
Привет. Мое видео НА РУССКОМ про главную ошибку при Эквализации. Почему большинство звукорежиссеров неправильно ищут «плохие» частоты. Как правильно. И Что такое понятие баланс на самом деле ua-cam.com/video/rWHPIlN8F20/v-deo.html
Perfect, thanks for this info. Any feedback from the suppliers?
You are welcome. Not sure what you mean. It's supposed to be like that. As I showed in the video SSL company addressed it in the newer versions of SSL which implemented in Softube 9000K and SSL Native 2. Some companies like IK put their own precise markings around the knobs. Majority of plugin manufacturers those who emulated 4000 series they kept the original design with wrong markings. The point of this video "know this nuance and use it accordingly". Suppliers don't need to give any feedback as it's supposed to be like that.
@@AndrewZeleno1 ok, I did not read it like you explain. I looked at it like, the frequency markings and “numbers” in the GUI are wrong. Of course that is good to know, as many including myself use the frequency markings as first go-to but as you pointed out these markings and actual frequency don’t match. For me that would be a reason to “fix” in the software, if I would be the supplier. I see lots of UA-cam instruction videos by well known mixing engineers that go for the markings and look confident the adjusted the EQ to their liking, but as turns out, they are adjusting others frequencies. I use the SSL V2 plug-in with a UC1 and did the test this afternoon, looks like SSL are fairly to almost spot on, but some frequencies are still “off”. Now I understand why I sometimes needed to adjust listening to what I was changing in the EQ. Like a small uplift of 3,5K on vocals to make the vocal standout in the mix and better to hear the words (sorry for my poor English). Thanks anyway, always thought the markings were almost spot on, still fine it strange. I started in the 70’s with analog gear and the EQ’s and mixing desk of good quality were honest which made you as engineer know what to use and adjust in seconds instead of fiddling about until you think you know that your spot on. Next to that, as you showed, some EQ,s can’t even adjust what needs to be adjusted, specifically high pass below 100Hz. I find that kind of worrying.
Part2 of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets which Waves and CLA hid inside of their plugin. I show even settings of Chris Lord-Alge Reverb with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video. Check it out and I appreciate your comments under the video. You support me by commenting.
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Hi Frans. Did you know how compressors affect frequencies so they can be a almost EQs? Here's the video: ua-cam.com/video/8kH3WqZBO2M/v-deo.html
Also the same thing not just with lowcut, but with lowpassfilters!
Part2 of Vocal Mixing Video. Reverb, Delay and Harmonizer secrets which Waves and CLA hid inside of their plugin. I show even settings of Chris Lord-Alge Reverb with Lexicon plugins. CLA says Slap Delay is John Lennon's 166ms Delay. No it's NOT! :) Many unknown things about his effects. A lot of thing to learn from this video. Check it out and I appreciate your comments under the video. You support me by commenting.
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Wasn’t the ssl e skerries not 12dB slopes?
Brown knob yes. I used only Black knobs with 18db\cot. And I had a proof on 12db\oct to prove it's not 12db\oct. The video was 45 minutes. With it. I cut that part.
отличное видео и инфа.
Опыт, уши и стараться отключать взгляд на цыфры а по ощущениям крутить. Визуалка конечно помогает но пришел к тому, что лучше стараться тупо слушать.)
Крутить на слух конечно нужно. Но для этого ваш низ должен быть идеальным. А для этого нужно победить стоячие волны, частитчные противофазные сложения и build-up в низком крае. А это не сделаешь подушечками и угловыми бастрепами.
Привет! На английском Мое видео про сведение ВОКАЛА разоблачает СКРЫТЫЕ идеи плагина Крис Лорд-Элджа. Эти концепции седения не объяснены ни Крисом ни Waves компанией. Как вход меняет EQ, какая структура гармоник, реальные кривые EQ и их недостатки, спрятанные настройки компрессоров. Буду благодарен если вы оставите комментарий под видео на тему видео.
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Вторая часть видео про Сведение вокала и по Крис Лорд-Элдж плагину.
Реверб, Дилей и Гармонайзер секреты. Я деж показываю как повторить его Реверб плагинами Лексикон. Крис Лрд-Элдж говорит что его Слеп Дилей это Дилей Джона Ленона 166мс. И это НЕ ТАК! :)
Покажу. Много неизвестных вещей по его техникам и много чего можно изучить из этого видео.
ua-cam.com/video/aHs0XVZK3-Y/v-deo.html
НА РУССКОМ языке мое новое видео про Эквалайзер и главную ошибку при его использовании. Почему большинство звукорежиссеров неправильно ищут «плохие» частоты. Плюс важные дополнения в видео и кучу примеров ua-cam.com/video/rWHPIlN8F20/v-deo.html