And this is just proof that I don't know shit about chess puzzles - thank you for telling me! I'd be very curious to know if there IS a winning move to the Doctor's puzzle, but I already suspect there isn't.
@@anadvora TLDR: Actually yes, in the Doctor's puzzle with Black to move, there is only one winning move: black pawn takes white pawn, the opposite of what Ace said. But in a chess puzzle, after finding the initial correct move, you often have to play out the subsequent moves to demonstrate why the first move you chose is correct, and Fenric might have had trouble with this because the correct subsequent moves entail retreating the Black king, not advancing it, which I assume says something about his characterization. (There's also some symbolism about Ace being Fenric's pawn, but failing to become the decisive "queen" that he intended because of The Doctor's inteference.) Interestingly, if you set up the exact same position, but say it's *White to move and win* instead of Black, then there is only one move that keeps White winning, and once again it's white pawn takes black pawn on d5. But after Black recaptures with his other pawn, there is a way for a white pawn and black pawn to "join forces." That is, White's second e pawn must step forward, and black's pawn now on the d file must refuse to capture it, instead moving the king to c5. This sequence of moves results in a **draw** assuming perfect play for the subsequent moves.
@@mikov6486 This is genuinely fascinating, thank you so much for explaining! I wish I could have had you on hand for when I was putting the video together - I tried to get a hold of some people that knew more about chess than I did to expand on that one section, but nobody was available/interested in the time I had. You might notice the chess analysis section is markedly bumpier than the rest, and that's why.
@@mikov6486 If the black pawn takes the white pawn, why would the black king need to retreat? Black pawn takes white pawn, puts king in check. White can either take the pawn, move forward beside the pawn, or retreat. None of which are good options. If white king takes the pawn, the other black pawn has a straight run to the other side, while white is delayed two turns waiting for the king to get out of its way. Black pawn is queened while white pawn is still a square away from the end. The new queen moves beneath the white pawn, which moves to be queened, before immediately being taken out. Black queen and king then slowly box in the white king. Checkmate. If white king moves beside the black pawn, same thing, only you've delayed the white pawn being able to move even more. If the white king moves to block the 2nd black pawn's ability to move, then you set up a dance that is basically the white and black kings dancing around the pawn. It might be a draw, or it might eventually force the white king into checkmate. I haven't thought that far ahead. And the white moving first, don't bother with the pawn. The foremost white pawn just races to the end while the white king stays behind with the other pawn to stall black. Black could take the other white pawn, but would get taken out by white's new queen just after getting queened. Alternatively they setup a logjam with the 2 black pawns, the black king, white king, and white pawn all unable to move without triggering a series of captures. Basically, whoever goes first is going to be the winner.
First time watcher, and I do just want to point out the immediately after the section that's analyzed, the Ancient One (Fenric's cheif pawn) betrays and kills Fenric. It's shown in the video, but felt it should be pointed out, as it further expands on the metaphor.
Thank you the UA-cam algorithm for bringing me this video. I will show my age and remember when this first showed, my second favourite 7 story, after Remembrance of the Daleks, another story that's fit into you thesis. You see the forming of the modern companion in Ace, I wish we'd got more of them. It was great to have them back in power of the Doctor
Excellent video, and I totally agree. I believe that the initial perception of 7 as a chessmaster, the one that inspired all the portrayals in the Expanded Universe that turned him into the Ultimate Magnificent Bastard, was his planning in Remembrance of the Daleks, probably his most well-known and well-remembered TV story. Thing is, he does have a master plan there - and it also goes to shit relatively quickly for several reasons, mostly because he hadn't expected the multiple Dalek factions. Even his smaller plans - escaping a Dalek by going up the stairs - are foiled and he has to improvise - the Dalek can fly and he has to bolt behind a door and run away. Even at his most chessmaster-y, he's still rapidly improvising as his plans go south immediately.
The more I think about the video and this comment, the more I'm going to disagree. There was no master plan. There was absolutely no chessmastery in this episode except for the one single trap he laid, being the re-programming of the Hand. Everything else was him knowing he had to be there to stop everything going completely off the rails because no plan is perfect. > mostly because he hadn't expected the multiple Dalek factions Which blows away some of the "deliberately leave Ace in the dark" idea; as he explicitly tells Ace all about the Hand, not expecting the two Dalek factions. For that matter, you also have the scene where he goes into the cafe and asks John what difference it would make if he had sugar in his tea. He is not at all in the UMB phase and he knows he has to be on hand to prod events along, otherwise he wouldn't have to have been there at all and the Daleks would've simply taken the Hand and tripped the trap. Scene in "Silver Nemesis" where he knows the Validium is falling back to Earth and Ace asks him why he didn't come deal with this earlier instead of this accidental visit and the answer is "I've been busy". Ace goes back to the school and at least in the novelisation (didn't make the episode as I recall), Rachel asks what makes him think Ace is in danger and the answer is "Of course she's got herself in danger, they always do". At this point, he doesn't even know that the Imperial Daleks have undergone more self-modification with genetics and cybernetics and only discovers it when the three harassing Ace into submission were blown apart, which is what lets Ace compare this to r*cial relations of the era. ... and the idea of comparing him to Matt Smith's Doctor is difficult, for one reason. As much as the Doctor is one person, he's been written by scores if not hundreds of people of extremely varying quality. You can't compare Remembrance Of The Daleks's Ben Aaronovitch great tactical planning (which is only better in the novel) and Ian Briggs's The Curse Of Fenric... ... with the delusional incapability of Steven Moffat who tries to Cumbersherlock his Eleventh Doctor, or explains how there's no paradox in his Time Hotel story because "it's not time travel" except it really is plus he just admits "bootstrap paradox okay yes the PIN really did come out of absolutely nowhere" (as opposed to just say studying records in his screwdriver over the next year?) and we're supposed to just accept this answer came out of nowhere? Instead of a simple "here it's recorded in my zappy device"? You can't compare the Eleventh and Seventh Doctors; or anything from the classic or post-classic and the new BBC or especially the Disney series; the new stuff is being written by about 5% of the functional brain-matter the classic series was written by.
Last video of the year! At the beginning of 2024, I made a pact with myself to post one video a month, for twelve months, to see if I could keep myself consistent. I didn't give myself any restrictions on what the content of those videos had to be, just that I needed to post at least one, and this marks the end of twelve-out-of-twelve successful videos. It was a little stressful sometimes, but ultimately pretty fun. I'm not sure if I'll be doing the same thing for 2025, or if I'll try out something different (maybe do some more video essays! maybe go back to doing music covers and mashups! maybe drag some of my friends into doing things on camera with me! WHO KNOWS!) but either way, I hope very much that you'll join me for whatever it is. It's been a pretty good year for me making things. Here's to another one.
More please! I'm glad youtube showed me this video because this is exactly the kind of thing (well, among many other things) that I love about this fandom
I'm always eager to see your DW analyses, and especially to hear you hot take about the 7th vs 11th Doctors again. Anyway very interesting video, didn't realise the Doctor was so bad at chess
Adding to your 11 analysis I think at that point the Doctor begins to suffer from success a bit. He lets it get to his head and begins throwing his weight around to get his way, which leads to things like getting sealed into the Pandorica and the Silence ruining Amy's life in their efforts to kill him. She was kidnapped, had her baby ripped from her arms and was literally sterilized at Demon's Run, the latter of which almost destroyed what she had left outside the TARDIS as she nearly drove Rory away because of it(I think the divorce plot in Asylum was dumb but it happened so i have to talk about it). He gets crucial details wrong about the Minotaur in The God Complex and is confronted with the truth of his companions' mortality. While he has many successful schemes, he gets sloppy and it comes back to bite him.
@@idle_speculation very true, thank you for all this. Something I could have added to this video (but didn’t, because it would have made it double the length) is the fascinating parallel between Curse of Fenric and God Complex. They both have the ‘break her heart to save her’ plot beat!! It’s right there!!! I think about it a lot! And in a lot of ways it IS a turning point for both of them - it’s just that seven doesn’t get the chance to dial into it because the show got cancelled for him.
@@anadvora I think an interesting direction to take 7 after that would be to see how he deals with failure and the consequences of hurting the people around him for nothing as all his schemes fall apart, maybe to the point that he can't fix everything in the end. While this is a very extreme hypothetical endpoint to such an arc, I swear I remember some DWM issue from the Wilderness Years where they speculated on what would've happened if the show continued past 1989, and they proposed that 7 would've regenerated from mental damage instead of physical. I'm not sure if it was an actual plan from the late 80s or was created ad-hoc for the interview, but it paints a chilling picture of the Doctor, alone in a straitjacket, screaming as he begins to change.
i regret to inform you that the doctor''s second big confrontation with fenric in the audios DOES take place on a planet-sized chessboard ft. a fight for control of the universe. it is BLATANTLY homestuck.
yes!!!!! it's such a good scene!!!! You can also interpret it as falling under the main theme of Faith/Belief having actual power. Yeah, the chess game is silly. But because Ace BELIEVES that fenric has won the game, the power of that belief means he actually wins.
To be fair to the humanistic non-religious flavour of the science-fiction of the era then (unlike Moffat's populist abomination of Christmas 2024), it's not even that it's "faith/belief", but the psychic energies that they create. Faith and belief might empower an individual, but it's just a belief that doesn't influence an alien creature. Make it a psychic energy defence, the story then makes sense.
And then there were novels like "Lungbarrow" or the "Cat's Cradle" mini-arc where we get to see Gallifrey's pre-Rassilon era, how it led to sterility and the Gallifreyans developing regeneration, and why the Doctor had anything even remotely special about his genetic makeup. The new series episode "Human Nature" and the following episode by Paul Cornell were originally a Seventh Doctor novel also by him also called "Human Nature". I would cheerfully sacrifice even Eccleston's season, would strongly consider sacrificing (Moffat-trash) Capaldi's season and would eagerly desperately joyfully "sacrifice" all of Tennant, Smith, Whittaker and Gatwa if we could get some of those novels performed and filmed.
I really hope I can! I've got a fun concept for one about Human Nature (x2), and plenty of things to talk about besides. It's just a matter of time and timing at this point, haha
@@anadvora DANG. ... which TTRPG? Ah you mean the Cubicle 7 one, as opposed to the Time Lord or FASA versions? Have you seen the unofficial fan sourcebooks for All The Doctors?
@@troffle Cubicle 7, yep!... kinda. It's complicated. You'll probably see what I mean when I go into it in more detail, it's too twisty and (frankly) far too interesting for me to get into here. See you in the next video I make! I have seen the fan sourcebooks, too! I play a very long-running campaign in that system with my friends, and Siskoid's sourcebook project is a godsend whenever we're trying to work out stats and mechanics for very specific obscure corners of the DW universe. Shoutout to that guy, he's a real one.
So this video hits my feed. My live thoughts: 1. Never seen this creator. 2. Chess though 3. Doctor Who though. 4. Hehe, algorithm is now combining my interests. 5. One step closer to the skynet. 6. Yeah, but this is going to be some crap about the chess metaphor in the Neil Gaiman Cybermen on the Moon things, which was bad. No chance it's about my favorite classic Who episode. 7. Oh owell. Click. 8. **Pointing Soy Face Meme** 9. Anyways, I'm paused 15 seconds in and leaving the a comment to feed th algorythm.
i love to see a min infodump!!! a minfodump!!! why is your lesbian flag upside-down? i also now know who to go to if i need a chess game in a story. also i've been meaning to get into classic who starting with seven. also i love you. also a fire alarm went off in the flats so i had to go outside at like ten past six and i get back and this is here!!! chessmaster characters who don't know shit about chess is an excellent trope and i will always want more of it. but also of course the doctor only plays fairy chess. he's a bizarre entity from another world with his own moral code (that thankfully aligns itself with our own) and takes humans away for unspecified amounts of time, returning them irrevocably changed (if at all)
Random UA-cam suggestion first timer here. I love this analysis so much! I'll be honest, I was just so dazzled by Ace's period costume and all the stylish period outfits in general that I ... didn't notice all this stuff at all. I mean, it shouldn't have impressed me; it's just normal period costuming. It's just that in the context of what Doctor Who was like at the time, it was a breath of fresh air or something. In the meantime, my favorite Doctor Who scene, the end of Warriors of the Deep, is not for very deep reasons. It just really sticks with me as a particularly haunting Five failure. (So does Earthshock, but killing off a companion gave it an unfair advantage. Warriors of the Deep stuck with the usual conventions, so the Doctor and companions survive.)
@@robofin117 it’s been mentioned! Thanks for letting me know, though. It’s a bit too late to fix things in this one (unless I want to delete and reupload, which is more effort than it’s worth) but I’ll be sure to pay more attention next time I do something like this.
> according to a series of unmade episodes and plot summaries, the Doctor was fully intending on sending her to the Gallifreyan academy It was said explicitly in the novel Lungbarrow it was the explicit reason he'd been "sorting out her past" and teaching her. EDIT: Ah. I have learned two years ago you made a Lungbarrow video. Of course you are going to know this very, very, well. I bow to the previous experience. Might just go spin that video now. > Did I say I hated this scene earlier? I lied. Again. ... must you? > Eleven is good at what he does, "Good", because Steven Moffat was at exactly the same time writing a badly-geniused, unreasonable, infeasible, impossible "Sherlock Holmes" and had so much imagination he just had to clone the same concept into both shows. FFS Moffat even turned Smith down for the role of Watson because Moffat thought Smith was more like his Sherlock and Cumberbatch had already been cast. At least in the VNA novels we know the Seventh Doctor was explicitly leaving himself notes from the future which helped heighten the drama when somebody was finding and removing the notes.
Yep! And Lungbarrow was supposed to be a TV episode originally, which is why I phrased it like that. There's also the Lost Adventures audios that fully make a few of those unmade episodes (e.g., Animal, Earth Aid) and confirm it there. There's a lot of different sources for the Cartmel Masterplan, but it was a bit too convoluted explain here in full. Also, yes, I must.
@@anadvora Ah, I edited my previous comment, but I should make it more explicit here in case you don't spot edits: I see your two-year-old Lungbarrow video and I bow to the previous experience. ... although there's still the hill on which I'm gonna stand and say "no, no you don't. That's like a Moffat 'the Doctor lies' thing, please, please, please, don't be like him".
@@troffle Hey, look, it was the dumb gag I built the whole video around because it made me laugh and it made my friends laugh too when I showed them the script draft. I write things because they make me happy, same as Moffat does. Up to you if you want to watch them, honestly. I don't mind either way. Thanks for the input, though!
@@anadvora Yeah but you've already put more research, writing and thought into your videos than Moffat has. Your videos have not brought the pain his have. Except that thing about jello and cheese, ffffing no.
In chess puzzles a "winning move" isn't defined as one that gives an immediate checkmate; it's one that inevitably results in a forced mate
And this is just proof that I don't know shit about chess puzzles - thank you for telling me! I'd be very curious to know if there IS a winning move to the Doctor's puzzle, but I already suspect there isn't.
@@anadvora TLDR: Actually yes, in the Doctor's puzzle with Black to move, there is only one winning move: black pawn takes white pawn, the opposite of what Ace said. But in a chess puzzle, after finding the initial correct move, you often have to play out the subsequent moves to demonstrate why the first move you chose is correct, and Fenric might have had trouble with this because the correct subsequent moves entail retreating the Black king, not advancing it, which I assume says something about his characterization. (There's also some symbolism about Ace being Fenric's pawn, but failing to become the decisive "queen" that he intended because of The Doctor's inteference.)
Interestingly, if you set up the exact same position, but say it's *White to move and win* instead of Black, then there is only one move that keeps White winning, and once again it's white pawn takes black pawn on d5. But after Black recaptures with his other pawn, there is a way for a white pawn and black pawn to "join forces." That is, White's second e pawn must step forward, and black's pawn now on the d file must refuse to capture it, instead moving the king to c5. This sequence of moves results in a **draw** assuming perfect play for the subsequent moves.
@@mikov6486 This is genuinely fascinating, thank you so much for explaining! I wish I could have had you on hand for when I was putting the video together - I tried to get a hold of some people that knew more about chess than I did to expand on that one section, but nobody was available/interested in the time I had. You might notice the chess analysis section is markedly bumpier than the rest, and that's why.
@@anadvora No prob. I am in the middle of the chess enthusiast/Whovian Venn diagram so I liked your video.
@@mikov6486 If the black pawn takes the white pawn, why would the black king need to retreat? Black pawn takes white pawn, puts king in check. White can either take the pawn, move forward beside the pawn, or retreat. None of which are good options.
If white king takes the pawn, the other black pawn has a straight run to the other side, while white is delayed two turns waiting for the king to get out of its way. Black pawn is queened while white pawn is still a square away from the end. The new queen moves beneath the white pawn, which moves to be queened, before immediately being taken out. Black queen and king then slowly box in the white king. Checkmate.
If white king moves beside the black pawn, same thing, only you've delayed the white pawn being able to move even more.
If the white king moves to block the 2nd black pawn's ability to move, then you set up a dance that is basically the white and black kings dancing around the pawn. It might be a draw, or it might eventually force the white king into checkmate. I haven't thought that far ahead.
And the white moving first, don't bother with the pawn. The foremost white pawn just races to the end while the white king stays behind with the other pawn to stall black. Black could take the other white pawn, but would get taken out by white's new queen just after getting queened. Alternatively they setup a logjam with the 2 black pawns, the black king, white king, and white pawn all unable to move without triggering a series of captures.
Basically, whoever goes first is going to be the winner.
First time watcher, and I do just want to point out the immediately after the section that's analyzed, the Ancient One (Fenric's cheif pawn) betrays and kills Fenric. It's shown in the video, but felt it should be pointed out, as it further expands on the metaphor.
i'm such a big fan of the format of the video with "end of video... except". very enjoyable. and a good analysis, very fun to listen to :]
Thank you the UA-cam algorithm for bringing me this video.
I will show my age and remember when this first showed, my second favourite 7 story, after Remembrance of the Daleks, another story that's fit into you thesis. You see the forming of the modern companion in Ace, I wish we'd got more of them. It was great to have them back in power of the Doctor
Excellent video, and I totally agree. I believe that the initial perception of 7 as a chessmaster, the one that inspired all the portrayals in the Expanded Universe that turned him into the Ultimate Magnificent Bastard, was his planning in Remembrance of the Daleks, probably his most well-known and well-remembered TV story. Thing is, he does have a master plan there - and it also goes to shit relatively quickly for several reasons, mostly because he hadn't expected the multiple Dalek factions. Even his smaller plans - escaping a Dalek by going up the stairs - are foiled and he has to improvise - the Dalek can fly and he has to bolt behind a door and run away. Even at his most chessmaster-y, he's still rapidly improvising as his plans go south immediately.
The more I think about the video and this comment, the more I'm going to disagree. There was no master plan. There was absolutely no chessmastery in this episode except for the one single trap he laid, being the re-programming of the Hand. Everything else was him knowing he had to be there to stop everything going completely off the rails because no plan is perfect.
> mostly because he hadn't expected the multiple Dalek factions
Which blows away some of the "deliberately leave Ace in the dark" idea; as he explicitly tells Ace all about the Hand, not expecting the two Dalek factions.
For that matter, you also have the scene where he goes into the cafe and asks John what difference it would make if he had sugar in his tea.
He is not at all in the UMB phase and he knows he has to be on hand to prod events along, otherwise he wouldn't have to have been there at all and the Daleks would've simply taken the Hand and tripped the trap.
Scene in "Silver Nemesis" where he knows the Validium is falling back to Earth and Ace asks him why he didn't come deal with this earlier instead of this accidental visit and the answer is "I've been busy".
Ace goes back to the school and at least in the novelisation (didn't make the episode as I recall), Rachel asks what makes him think Ace is in danger and the answer is "Of course she's got herself in danger, they always do".
At this point, he doesn't even know that the Imperial Daleks have undergone more self-modification with genetics and cybernetics and only discovers it when the three harassing Ace into submission were blown apart, which is what lets Ace compare this to r*cial relations of the era.
... and the idea of comparing him to Matt Smith's Doctor is difficult, for one reason. As much as the Doctor is one person, he's been written by scores if not hundreds of people of extremely varying quality. You can't compare Remembrance Of The Daleks's Ben Aaronovitch great tactical planning (which is only better in the novel) and Ian Briggs's The Curse Of Fenric...
... with the delusional incapability of Steven Moffat who tries to Cumbersherlock his Eleventh Doctor, or explains how there's no paradox in his Time Hotel story because "it's not time travel" except it really is plus he just admits "bootstrap paradox okay yes the PIN really did come out of absolutely nowhere" (as opposed to just say studying records in his screwdriver over the next year?) and we're supposed to just accept this answer came out of nowhere? Instead of a simple "here it's recorded in my zappy device"?
You can't compare the Eleventh and Seventh Doctors; or anything from the classic or post-classic and the new BBC or especially the Disney series; the new stuff is being written by about 5% of the functional brain-matter the classic series was written by.
Finally, another who enjoys The Curse of Fenric as much as I do.
Last video of the year! At the beginning of 2024, I made a pact with myself to post one video a month, for twelve months, to see if I could keep myself consistent. I didn't give myself any restrictions on what the content of those videos had to be, just that I needed to post at least one, and this marks the end of twelve-out-of-twelve successful videos. It was a little stressful sometimes, but ultimately pretty fun. I'm not sure if I'll be doing the same thing for 2025, or if I'll try out something different (maybe do some more video essays! maybe go back to doing music covers and mashups! maybe drag some of my friends into doing things on camera with me! WHO KNOWS!) but either way, I hope very much that you'll join me for whatever it is. It's been a pretty good year for me making things. Here's to another one.
I wasnt expecting the video to pivot so quickly into an eleventh doctor character analysis.
@thenamesandounts9807 but the important thing is that I’m right
this absolutely delighted me; what a wonderful start to the day :D
I love this vid, it's a fun analysis, thank you!
More please! I'm glad youtube showed me this video because this is exactly the kind of thing (well, among many other things) that I love about this fandom
great video, tho the music could have been a bit quieter
sometimes it drowns you out
I'm always eager to see your DW analyses, and especially to hear you hot take about the 7th vs 11th Doctors again. Anyway very interesting video, didn't realise the Doctor was so bad at chess
Adding to your 11 analysis I think at that point the Doctor begins to suffer from success a bit. He lets it get to his head and begins throwing his weight around to get his way, which leads to things like getting sealed into the Pandorica and the Silence ruining Amy's life in their efforts to kill him. She was kidnapped, had her baby ripped from her arms and was literally sterilized at Demon's Run, the latter of which almost destroyed what she had left outside the TARDIS as she nearly drove Rory away because of it(I think the divorce plot in Asylum was dumb but it happened so i have to talk about it). He gets crucial details wrong about the Minotaur in The God Complex and is confronted with the truth of his companions' mortality. While he has many successful schemes, he gets sloppy and it comes back to bite him.
@@idle_speculation very true, thank you for all this. Something I could have added to this video (but didn’t, because it would have made it double the length) is the fascinating parallel between Curse of Fenric and God Complex. They both have the ‘break her heart to save her’ plot beat!! It’s right there!!! I think about it a lot! And in a lot of ways it IS a turning point for both of them - it’s just that seven doesn’t get the chance to dial into it because the show got cancelled for him.
@@anadvora I think an interesting direction to take 7 after that would be to see how he deals with failure and the consequences of hurting the people around him for nothing as all his schemes fall apart, maybe to the point that he can't fix everything in the end. While this is a very extreme hypothetical endpoint to such an arc, I swear I remember some DWM issue from the Wilderness Years where they speculated on what would've happened if the show continued past 1989, and they proposed that 7 would've regenerated from mental damage instead of physical. I'm not sure if it was an actual plan from the late 80s or was created ad-hoc for the interview, but it paints a chilling picture of the Doctor, alone in a straitjacket, screaming as he begins to change.
The pawns unionize you say? Man I love homestuck.... Regardles. Great video! Good job!
i regret to inform you that the doctor''s second big confrontation with fenric in the audios DOES take place on a planet-sized chessboard ft. a fight for control of the universe. it is BLATANTLY homestuck.
this video was a wonderful christmas present. thank you so much for your funny and insightful commentary!
Funnily enough, 11th *also* had a “chess scene” at some point. And that was always *my* favourite.
yes!!!!! it's such a good scene!!!!
You can also interpret it as falling under the main theme of Faith/Belief having actual power. Yeah, the chess game is silly. But because Ace BELIEVES that fenric has won the game, the power of that belief means he actually wins.
To be fair to the humanistic non-religious flavour of the science-fiction of the era then (unlike Moffat's populist abomination of Christmas 2024), it's not even that it's "faith/belief", but the psychic energies that they create.
Faith and belief might empower an individual, but it's just a belief that doesn't influence an alien creature. Make it a psychic energy defence, the story then makes sense.
You may have sold me on Seven
And then there were novels like "Lungbarrow" or the "Cat's Cradle" mini-arc where we get to see Gallifrey's pre-Rassilon era, how it led to sterility and the Gallifreyans developing regeneration, and why the Doctor had anything even remotely special about his genetic makeup.
The new series episode "Human Nature" and the following episode by Paul Cornell were originally a Seventh Doctor novel also by him also called "Human Nature".
I would cheerfully sacrifice even Eccleston's season, would strongly consider sacrificing (Moffat-trash) Capaldi's season and would eagerly desperately joyfully "sacrifice" all of Tennant, Smith, Whittaker and Gatwa if we could get some of those novels performed and filmed.
Very good video, hope that you make more analysis or just talk about classic who or the expanded media! Not many people talk about it.
I really hope I can! I've got a fun concept for one about Human Nature (x2), and plenty of things to talk about besides. It's just a matter of time and timing at this point, haha
@@anadvora "Human Nature" the episodes, or the book?
@@troffle Both, of course. And the TTRPG adaptation...
@@anadvora DANG.
... which TTRPG? Ah you mean the Cubicle 7 one, as opposed to the Time Lord or FASA versions?
Have you seen the unofficial fan sourcebooks for All The Doctors?
@@troffle Cubicle 7, yep!... kinda. It's complicated. You'll probably see what I mean when I go into it in more detail, it's too twisty and (frankly) far too interesting for me to get into here. See you in the next video I make!
I have seen the fan sourcebooks, too! I play a very long-running campaign in that system with my friends, and Siskoid's sourcebook project is a godsend whenever we're trying to work out stats and mechanics for very specific obscure corners of the DW universe. Shoutout to that guy, he's a real one.
"Check, Master!"
"...what!?"
"Machine mind computes mate in 6 moves."
...
"RUBBISH!"
So this video hits my feed. My live thoughts:
1. Never seen this creator.
2. Chess though
3. Doctor Who though.
4. Hehe, algorithm is now combining my interests.
5. One step closer to the skynet.
6. Yeah, but this is going to be some crap about the chess metaphor in the Neil Gaiman Cybermen on the Moon things, which was bad. No chance it's about my favorite classic Who episode.
7. Oh owell. Click.
8. **Pointing Soy Face Meme**
9. Anyways, I'm paused 15 seconds in and leaving the a comment to feed th algorythm.
Is that. Is that any Ace baseball bat?? Where has this channel been all my life?
And she has REAL captions?!
i love to see a min infodump!!! a minfodump!!! why is your lesbian flag upside-down? i also now know who to go to if i need a chess game in a story. also i've been meaning to get into classic who starting with seven. also i love you. also a fire alarm went off in the flats so i had to go outside at like ten past six and i get back and this is here!!! chessmaster characters who don't know shit about chess is an excellent trope and i will always want more of it. but also of course the doctor only plays fairy chess. he's a bizarre entity from another world with his own moral code (that thankfully aligns itself with our own) and takes humans away for unspecified amounts of time, returning them irrevocably changed (if at all)
it's upside down because i'm a lil silly
very good video
This video was EXCEPT-ional
All praise the almighty algorithm! Subscribed!
Random UA-cam suggestion first timer here. I love this analysis so much! I'll be honest, I was just so dazzled by Ace's period costume and all the stylish period outfits in general that I ... didn't notice all this stuff at all. I mean, it shouldn't have impressed me; it's just normal period costuming. It's just that in the context of what Doctor Who was like at the time, it was a breath of fresh air or something.
In the meantime, my favorite Doctor Who scene, the end of Warriors of the Deep, is not for very deep reasons. It just really sticks with me as a particularly haunting Five failure. (So does Earthshock, but killing off a companion gave it an unfair advantage. Warriors of the Deep stuck with the usual conventions, so the Doctor and companions survive.)
I thought this was about 11 vs cyber doctor, this was great though.
Wonderful Classic Who video, but the background music is drowning your lovely commentary.
@@robofin117 it’s been mentioned! Thanks for letting me know, though. It’s a bit too late to fix things in this one (unless I want to delete and reupload, which is more effort than it’s worth) but I’ll be sure to pay more attention next time I do something like this.
blood for the blood god, comments for the algorithm!
take my like. take my watchtime. Actually, fuck it, take it twice.
Amazing video!
> according to a series of unmade episodes and plot summaries, the Doctor was fully intending on sending her to the Gallifreyan academy
It was said explicitly in the novel Lungbarrow it was the explicit reason he'd been "sorting out her past" and teaching her.
EDIT: Ah. I have learned two years ago you made a Lungbarrow video. Of course you are going to know this very, very, well. I bow to the previous experience. Might just go spin that video now.
> Did I say I hated this scene earlier? I lied. Again.
... must you?
> Eleven is good at what he does,
"Good", because Steven Moffat was at exactly the same time writing a badly-geniused, unreasonable, infeasible, impossible "Sherlock Holmes" and had so much imagination he just had to clone the same concept into both shows.
FFS Moffat even turned Smith down for the role of Watson because Moffat thought Smith was more like his Sherlock and Cumberbatch had already been cast.
At least in the VNA novels we know the Seventh Doctor was explicitly leaving himself notes from the future which helped heighten the drama when somebody was finding and removing the notes.
Yep! And Lungbarrow was supposed to be a TV episode originally, which is why I phrased it like that. There's also the Lost Adventures audios that fully make a few of those unmade episodes (e.g., Animal, Earth Aid) and confirm it there. There's a lot of different sources for the Cartmel Masterplan, but it was a bit too convoluted explain here in full.
Also, yes, I must.
@@anadvora Ah, I edited my previous comment, but I should make it more explicit here in case you don't spot edits: I see your two-year-old Lungbarrow video and I bow to the previous experience.
... although there's still the hill on which I'm gonna stand and say "no, no you don't. That's like a Moffat 'the Doctor lies' thing, please, please, please, don't be like him".
@@troffle Hey, look, it was the dumb gag I built the whole video around because it made me laugh and it made my friends laugh too when I showed them the script draft. I write things because they make me happy, same as Moffat does. Up to you if you want to watch them, honestly. I don't mind either way. Thanks for the input, though!
@@anadvora Yeah but you've already put more research, writing and thought into your videos than Moffat has. Your videos have not brought the pain his have.
Except that thing about jello and cheese, ffffing no.
Very interesting video hampered by BGM so loud I can barely hear what is being said in places.