Something I feel should be noted. If you kill Mohg the Omen and open the secret path before killing Morgott, there will be a magical barrier that prevents you from going down the path to the Three Fingers. It only goes away after killing Morgott. This leads me to believe that both Morgott and Mohg recognized the danger of the Frenzied Flame, and at some point worked together to create this blockade to stop anyone from finding it.
Me too. Morgott made the barrier and Mohg set his projection. Though if you ask me, that's a still rather barebones defense against something that can potentially destroy the entire world.
I think they may have been working with him. The game says there was only 1 other who managed to get 2 great runes together to make it far enough to pass into altus. We know he made it to the giants mountain, but what runes did he gain on the way? I assume Mohg and Morgott helped him. Then they betrayed him and locked him away upon learning enough about the 3 fingers. This may have led Mohg to the realization he could bring his own dynasty into the world if he so wished.
@@vaclavsoukup7302 why? They are demi gods with mohg serving an outer god that is equal to the greater will. How are they to know the chosen undead was going to kill them both?
@@GordKeen Because, as was seen with Godwyn, it *is* possible to kill a demigod and there are people actively doing it. Sure, Morgott made his special torches, but just maintaining a barrier and making projection a guardian of the place just doesn't seem enough to me. If they put more men in there, and maybe a Tree Sentinel to a boot, perhaps they protect it more.
@@vaclavsoukup7302 they are aware ranni has the rune of death, but she isn't after the frenzy flame. More tree sentinels etc do not compare to needing to defeat the projection of 1 demi god and defeating the actual version of another demi god. Also with vyke contained there was no way for them to know the frenzy flame could still influence people on the outside too. I think what they had was pretty overkill with how little knowledge they had of the frenzied flame.
Some people have speculated that Shabriri is the person who made the false claim on the caravan causing the nomadic merchants to be punished and buried alive which we can see in the game. It is likely that crime of slander that caused his eyes to be gauged.
it's pretty clear that the timeline is shabriri claims the merchants are heretics > merchants get buried away > shabriri is revealed as a slanderer > shabriri's eyes are removed and he is reviled > the merchants chant a curse in his name > the flame of frenzy manifests, afflicts the three fingers below the capital, and the curse bursts forth from the back of shabriri's empty eye sockets
@@griffithdidnothingwrong7117 no, all grapes are named after him for his association, but its said a few times that those afflicted by the frenzied flame have their own shabriri's grapes, their eyes. if their eyes burst, they become yellow embers, otherwise, they are grapes
Vyke being friend with a dragon somehow make me think he was also trying to find placidusax in order to use miquella's needle, but he couldnt find the needle to rid himself off the frenzied flame after it take root
@@thephoenix4093 or as lucky as me, who just wandered west of Sellia and stumbled into that commander dude and got the needle almost instantly after talking to Gowry.
Vyke is one of my favorite elden ring characters so far, he's definitely very important it seems since he's plastered all over the game's cover art and many item descriptions talk about him
@@karldergrosse-333 Not to mentioned Vargram himself is also one of the first Tarnished of the Round Table who wielded a very lore-important weapon, I think he's also likely to be the former master of Torrent since the Spirit Ash Ranni gave you was the Lone Wolf spirit, which was also owned by that former master (The Raging Wolf).
- Did you ever hear the tragedy of Festering Fingerprint Vyke?" - No - I thought not. It's not a story the Finger Reader would tell you. It's a Three fingers legend. Vyke... was a Lord of the frenzied flame so powerful and so wise, he could use the yellow flame to burn the erdtree. He had such a knowledge of the frenzied flame, he could even keep the ones he cared about... from dying." - He could actually... save people from death?" - The frenzied flame is a pathway to many abilities... some consider to be unnatural." - Wh- What happened to him?" - He became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was... losing his maiden. Which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he fell into madness and was caught and put into evergaol. It's ironic. He sacrificed himself but in vain." - Is it possible to learn this power?" - Not from a Two Fingers.
Honestly, Vyke's character and backstory is the reason why I want one of Elden Ring's DLCs to have us travel to the past and meet all of the characters in either their beginnings or their prime. One where you can meet Vyke before he is driven mad by his audience with the three fingers, and see him fall from grace likely due to an honest desire to protect his maiden by attempting to divert their fate of being sacrificed to burn the erdtree.
Sorry to rain on the parade but every souls game has a world that was once in there prime. And the story is something happened that messed up the world. And they leave it vague asf so we can create and dream about the world of old. So they don’t have too it’s better for us cause we can’t create whatever we want.
@@jacobflores1781 True, but Elden Ring seems a little different in that regard. Yes, there was an event that caused the decline of the land, but unlike Lordran or Yharnam, we know quite a bit about the prime of The Lands Between and The Golden Order, and it seems they're less focused on making that 'golden age' vague, partly because The Lands Between aren't in the same amount of disarray as the worlds of other FromSoft games. Besides, almost every FromSoft DLC has some element of going to the past (whether it's literally going back in time, going somewhere stuck in time, or going to a replica of the past), so it's probably going to be a part of Elden Ring's DLC.
I love how smaller channels have been blowing the lore hunting out of the water. I was nervous about the state of lore hunting when big channels got the game early. Good stuff, subbed.
Totally agree, and some times the small channels have the most interesting theories. I think that maybe Gideon Ofnir was a nod to the lore hunters out there, trying to become all-knowing.
@@oliverhaq3s254 yeah, he's only another tarnished with 99 int since he uses basically all magics and incantations of the game. It's not an actual boss. Should have been way more difficult.
One more theory, I think Mogh, the Omen was an illusion created by Morgott, since if you beat him and go behind him before beating Morgott, a seal will block your way. If you inspect the seal it tells you it's being held up by King Morgott.
Nothing wrong with the omen being sent by mohg. They are twins, so not like that are intrinsically hating each other. There will be a point that they would have clashed, but they both came from the underground, so even they would have understood the 3 fingers is way too dangerous.
@KIDAS That's because the Lord of Blood is his Margit, but backed with the power of a different Outer God, so it can sustain without his living essence.
Literally was thinking about Vyke. The fact that ancient dragons liked him, and how close he was to the Elden throne made me want to research more about him.
Enia remarks that, after you acquire two Great Runes, that she's only ever seen two Great Runes together once before. Considering that having two is also the requirement to reach the Altus Plateau (as told by Gideon) she's undoubtedly referring to Vyke here. If this is the case, I wonder what Great Runes Vyke was in possession of? I mean, every demigod we fight is firmly in possession of their own. Who did Vyke defeat to acquire his?
Since he was on his way to burn the erdtree he must have beaten or struck a deal with morgott in some way as If you try to make it to the lift of Rold or even the three fingers there's a barrier that states "sealed by Morgott the grace given" so he could have had morgotts which he got back in some way after vyke succumbs to madness
@@hollow9414 I disagree. For him to have even reached the Altus Plateau he needed two, unless he cut that deal with Morgott prior to going up the Lift of Dectus. He obviously didn't have Radahn's, and I doubt he'd have Ranni's (Rennala's) or Godrick's
@@jacoboddie5364 that's true, yes, either by taking the tunnel or getting snatched by an Abductor Virgin. I still think Vyke was in possession of some great runes, potentially ones he claimed by slaying unknown demigods or other shardbearers. For now it's impossible to say for sure
@@bcm2893 yeah id say given the evidence it was most likely him who had them. I feel like he probably had godricks before him since godrick is shown to be pretty weak/cowardly/incompetent and I can't see him beating another demi-god. Although that's just speculation
Wow, this channel has gained much more traction than I was anticipating! I appreciate everyone who has come to check out my videos, and I hope to improve the quality as much as possible going forward. I'm still planning to read every comment I can, so if you have any feedback or additional lore insights, I will almost definitely see it at some point. Also, sorry for some of the compression issues and for what I'm pretty sure is a mispronunciation of the name Hyetta. I hope you enjoy it anyway!
Great vid! Defo keep the same format and explanation into further vids, it was very clear and understandable how you told the story of vyke, looking forward to what you cover next! Also I'm guessing shabriri when met on the mountaintop of giants is an agent of the frenzied flame? Or is he something more?
I wish we could use miquella’s needle on him, I also find it interesting his called “vyke, the dragon spear” and had a “friendship” of sorts with lansseax
Man had a dragon waifu while he had a maiden to focus on. Also Vyke is too far gone. He's lost all reason to go on (Maiden dead, can't become Elden Lord anymore, can't become lord of frenzied flame), unlike us who could still scrounge up a reason to keep going.
@@ES21007 just because he couldn’t become elden lord doesn’t mean it’s not worth saving him with the needle, imagine we could have lansseax and vyke meet.
@@skinless5136 The problem isn't that he's not worth saving. The problem is, what happens after? For Miquella's needle to work, you need to already have burnt the Erdtree and take him all the way to Farum Azula. Remember, the reason he's nothing but a crazed husk of his former self is because he has nothing to live for. So why would he even try to save himself? What will he even do? So you have to convince either of these versions of this broken man to go all the way to the End of Time: A.) The Festering Fingerprint, who still guards the corpse of his dead Finger Maiden eons after he failed to become a Lord? B.) The Lord Contender... Who would probably try to kill YOU? The only possible thing I can see as a reason is Lansseax probably still loving him. But that wasn't enough to save him before. Why will that save him now?
@@ES21007 I don’t think loving lansseax would save him, but I definitely think lansseax would try and help you bring vyke to the dragon lord, also we can still use the unalloyed needles to temporarily stop the flame. (atleast I think), but I do mostly agree his to far gone, just be nice if we could get a nice reward through doing a long quest involving him, like if we cleanse him we can get his armour and spear un tainted by the flame
Chad Vyke utilizing frenzied flame to save his maiden. I missed the Shabriri encounter on my first playthrough because I've already inherited the flame (healed before ending). I feel like this conversation is very important context giving motivation for some of the player's Tarnished and explaining how they used their flesh for kindling. By the way, regarding importance of the maidens, I'm sold on theory that Varre killed yours before you met her in Chapel of Anticipation.
I was thinking something: - its said that two Great Runes are required to get the chance of becoming a Elden Lord - The finger lady in the Roundtable Hold said that she saw two great runes together only once before us bring two - Only two Demigods had Great Runes we never saw: Miquella and Ranni Did Vyke found the Great Rune that Ranni casted away + found the lost rune of Miquella?
I do think that has to be the case. I got few theories about how Vyke got access to other areas. 1. Dragon helped him to travel places? Maybe was trying to go his way to past Farum Azula to reverse Frenzy effect? 2. Vyke probably struck a deal with Mohg/Morgott to get access to cold area? Mohg due to kidnapping Miquella and the Great Rune. Morgott due to Morgott himself was finding the alternatives to open the Erdtree like the player?
Could it be possible there are other unmentioned demigods or shardbearers descendants from Marika/Radagon? I mean maybe Goldwyn was just hyped up because he was the first of them to die. The shattering wars could have caused the death of a few before we came into the story. It could maybe explain why some variations of the Elden Ring symbol have extra rings in them?
12:04 probably one of the most goosebumping moments i have ever seen in elden ring !! An amazing video that shows more and more of the depth and intensity of the Lore
It seems the people Shabriri slandered were the merchants of the great caravan and that is the origin of the story. He slanders the merchants, they are imprisoned and call upon the frenzied flame, shabriri is punished and then afflicted in revenge by the flame and becomes their slave.
I personally think he slandered the Golden Order and got his eyes gouged out for the trouble. Merchants of the Great Caravan were probably asked to give hold to the Erdtree and when they refused, they were punished for not honoring something they didn't believe in.
@@vaclavsoukup7302 nah im p sure he slandered the merchants specifically. the item that refers to them says that they were "accused of heretical beliefs", which isn't the same as refusing to bend the knee or anything like that. plus, the golden order got along fairly well with the carians, so idk why they would freak out and imprison merchants for not being pro-erdtree
Oh man, this is a heavy one. Knowing this before fighting him already evokes feelings akin to fighting Sif, Artorias, or Solaire way back when. Though you might not have ever had the chance to befriend Vyke in the game, walking in his shoes certainly comes close. And man… he’s got some heavy shoes.
I find it interesting that Vyke's story is actually basically the cut story of Oscar of Astora, another of your kind who seek the same goal who goes a path differing from you, resulting in them failing to become the lord they initially set out to be from the very start, both seeing the end of their story at the hands of your character
I think vyke didn’t necessarily know exactly what he was getting into when encountering the 3 fingers. After all his armour is singed and melted beyond repair having not taken it off. I think he’s a lesson of curiosity and temptation to stay true on the path directed by the two fingers and grace.
And yet nobody told him he would need to take his armor off. Though it might be that not even OG Shabriri was aware of said requirement at that point, and only through Vyke's failure did Shabriri, and ultimately Hyetta, who tells the player, get to that info.
Great, informative video! I wonder what the connections between the Ailing Village on the Weeping Peninsula and the rest of the "frenzied locations" are, since it's quite isolated when you look at the map. Maybe that ties into Edgar dropping a Shabriri Grape when he invades you as the Revenger and the rest of the questline, as both Irina's/Hyetta's and Edgar's questlines start on the weeping peninsula as well. I look forward to more videos from you, I hadn't heard practically anything about the dusk-/gloam-eyed queen before watching your vid on it some days back, so I hope there'll be many more moments where we can learn about mysterious and barely mentioned characters that many would have otherwise missed. Keep up the great work! Also, 5:09 was... *chef's kiss*
I think the madness is what happened when you take the golden order stuff too seriously and can't overcome the contradiction/flaw in it. That the 2 finger readers & grace are liars and the tarnished is never intended to succeed.
*not disillusionment, but like overcoming the contradiction by tripling down (the fundamentalists we're the double down) - the problem isn't the order, the problem isn't that the gods don't follow the order (aka fundamentalists answer), the problem is nothing follows the order so we gotta just have a total do over on everything (except the order/greater will which is obvi perfect). It's like a perversion of a perversion of a perversion.
I like to imagine Vyke willingly put himself in that evergoal atop the mountains realizing just how messed up the flame of frenzy was overall. My guess is that he used one of Miquella's unalloyed gold needles to expunge the flame of frenzy from his body and I assumes the festering fingerprint Vyke that invades in Liurnia is that leftover frenzy.
im pretty sure he didnt use the Miquella's needle since he was only partly inflicted with frenzy flame (protected by his armor). Thus, the moment he realize he killed his maiden and have no other ways to burn the erdtree, he might given up and just willingly put himself in the evergaol, fearing that other entity of the frenzy flame might took over his body
@@shinner5382 makes perfect sense. I was thinking why in the prison he became back the roundtable knight who only uses dragonbolt. Only explanation is that he became sane again. It is sad to think that his dragon waifu Lansseax is still waiting for him at Altus Plateau. Maybe he is just too depressed to meet his beloved and friends or he is afraid of being taken control again by the frenzied flame as you suggest. But I don't think he has no option but to give up (tho according to himself yes). Since the tarnished also has no maiden, but melina came to the rescue. It might be that if vyke is not imprisoned, Melina would seek him instead. The tarnished just came in at the right moment.
One thing about the shunning-grounds: my guess is that it is Morgott's initiative to put Mohg there as a sort of guardian of the frenzied flame and such. While it is a projection of Mohg, we don't have much motive or method for him to have done so himself, while we have seen Morgott do so multiple times at Stormveil and even another copy of himself outside Leyndell. Not only that, if you beat Mohg the Omen before Morgott and attempt to pass through the hidden passage to the Frenzied Flame Proscription, there is a barrier saying "Sealed by Morgott, the Grace-Given". Seems quite on the nose in terms of who is interested in keeping that area secret and secure.
I thought it was really interesting how you said that vyke wasn't swayed by his maiden to disrobe and enter the tomb, but by an external force. However Hyetta instead in our case does directly tell us to do it. Since this body taking over shenanigans seems to be linked to shabriri, maybe this time he thought he would use a fake maiden to make it even more likely that you would become the Lord of frenzy since it didn't work out in vyke's case
Wow i thought it was the vagabond on the cover this whole time! That vyke is the meta symbolic protagonist is really cool 😎 i don't think they ever named or storied this role before.
Super cool explanation and makes a lot of sense; I avoided all of the Vyke/Frenzied Flame videos until I got that ending, now that I've finished it I'm glad I watched this to put all the pieces together.
Damn, no wonder Vyke armor was so familiar to me. He was in the cover! I always thought it was your own character wearing some random armor. Anyway, I feel that what happened to Vyke is that he got nearly there, but he loved his maiden too much and decided to try and get the Three Fingers help to burn the tree instead, but as his armors show, for some reason he got embraced by the Three Fingers with his armor still on and thats probably why he failed at burning the tree himself. Maybe his maiden said or did something that stopped him from fully completing the ritual with the Three Fingers. Its weird but I cant think of any reason for his armor to be branded other than...he refusing to get naked to be embraced? I dont know. But yeah, Shabriri tries to do the same with you, and while you can keep Melina alive by meeting the Tree Fingers, she will still leave you cuz she doesnt want the Frenzy Fire ending. And considering how the Frenzy Fire ending goes, I guess she leaving doesnt even matter because you burn the entire world anyway and I dont think anyone survived. Also, you say Irina`s father might have made a deal with Shabriri, but I dont know if thats the case. You last find Irinas father at that cabin where he takes his revenge, and he attacks you thinking you were also part of the group that killed his daughter, so I feel like he has no idea that Irina`s body gets taken over by whatever Hyetta is.
You need a maiden companion to be able to listen to the aliens (outer gods/fingers) and they can somehow channel them. Vyke kept his plan to meet 3 fingers in secret, he didn't took the maiden with him, probably scared that she could get killed on the way down. With no maiden to tell him how to proceed he just went to meet 3 fingers face to face, just an sliver of the power managed to get to him through his visor but being incomplete he succumbed to the madness. I guess this whole thing is a metaphor about paying the consequences for not wanting to sacrifice anything?
Actually, the people Shabriri slandered were probably the Nomadic Merchants, who were then buried underground and in their despair summoned the Flame of Frenzy in the first place.
@@eetfuk3571slander is a strange word to use from the perspective of the golden order. when you spread lies about a massive religious order that's typically referred to as heresy.
Enemies based on the frenzy flame are few and far apart, but I really hope we dive deeper into it's lore and those connected to it. Hopefully in a future dlc
Since the merchants were part of whats called this Great Caravan, its possible that all the destroyed carriages you see when entering Altus Plateu, through the Ruined-Strewn Precipe, belonged to the merchants. Ogres can be seen wondering all throughout the wreckages. Since they watch over the prisoners in the Shunning Grounds, it could be possible that these Ogres by the carriages carried out orders and imprisoned them long ago and still roam them to establish authority, or were even abandoned by their masters, or left willingly during the shattering. Since omens are shunned upon, its possible these Ogres were forced to work for the Golden Order at the time to lend strength. I could be reaching too far here and it could just be ransacking ogre highwayman but cant help but think to be honest. Also fun fact, sometimes when you kill merchants theyll say "Melt away with the rest of them" similar to what Hyetta says before she dies.
Yooo!!! This is my favorite story & set of incantations/weapons. But you are forgetting a key detail. In order for Vyke to get that far, he had to get 2 great runes. The finger reader in your finger room even says so. That they saw 2 great runes together once before. So wait WTF happened? That's another part you are missing. The finger readers all have their eyes burned out (and I wanna say at some point the main one in your finger room gets found dead and burned?). There's also part of the finger shield that talks about the dangers of 'unintetpreted fingers'. What if, whoever sealed the 3 fingers away did so by first cutting (rotting? Burning?) the 3 fingers off and then doing some kind of 3 fingers eye burning shit on the magic created clones in order to keep the finger power working but also now keep it und r control because for some reason the 2 little fingers are the chilliest?
The bit about two great runes having been collected before, presumably by Vyke, begs the question of who or where did he get them from? And who eventually ended up with them? Since we don't know how long ago Vyke was imprisoned, I suppose he could have been active right after the Shattering and nabbed them while they were, either, still loose or from someone not yet mentioned in the game. It's also not necessarily the case that there are only the ten that we're able to liberate right now. There are a LOT of interesting things that a DLC could add into the game, and this is one of them. There are so many unfinished stories and pieces of things referenced, but never put into play, that make me almost certain that Elden Ring is getting a big expansion in the future.
No. Three Fingers and Two Fingers were once one Hand, the Hand of Greater Will, the vessel and apostle of GW. They parted because how they interpreted GW differently. The TF followed the Elden Beast that GW sent down to the Lands Between (see lore from incantation - Elden Stars from Deeproot area, ant cave), The TF, believe frenzy flame (another energy, power, 'god' in universe, that universe means GW in game) will burn and 'cleanse' this world. There were many Fingers before, TF is the last of its kind, imprisoned in capital deep sewer. The TF, unfortunately, is also dying out. You could find dead TF on devine towers and in Ranni's end quest she just killed the TF in her church underground (where you can give moon ring to Ranni and 'marry' this deity)
@@beeguyasai3549 ish. I had a little bit of a hard time following what u are saying is TF the 2f or 3f? Either way, the plethora of 'finger' related multiplayer/invasion items imo suggest a strong connection between fingers (both the weird giant mystical kind & our own characters fingers as evidenced by the finger readers and the bloody finger Varras quest) and the multi overlapping worlds aspect of the lands between
@@beeguyasai3549 I think we are supposed to interpret the dead 2 fingers we find as some kind of ritual sacrifice of someone's personal 2 fingers. I think everyone gets their own set of fingers, or rather, the 2fingers are somehow simultaneously personal to each entities universe while also being all connected. Also still feels connected to the Giants.
It's even more tragic that Vyke... Could have been right. You can become Elden Lord without sacrificing your maiden. But he could not obtain the means. Perhaps miquella's research did not advance enough for more unalloyed gold needles. And he would not have known about them, nor would have been able to obtain them. Vyke is ultimately a reflection of the player character. It's why he's plastered on the game's front cover. He's a version of you that's inferior. One that's failed. One that quit in the end.
When you think about it Vyke IS a lot of player characters. He quit in the end. How many Elden Ring players do you think have quit before ever beating the game??? Makes sense he's on the front when you see it that way
Great video! What I really love about the lore of all the Fromsoft titles is that there is usually someone (or something) that tries to influence the PC to follow a certain path. Many characters, even if they appear friendly and cooperative, really wants to use us in pursue of their aims, and it's really fun to puzzle all the little clues together!
i think that like us, vyke was fine after being hugged by the 3 finger, he was able to control it just as we did, but when he saw that his maiden died while he was away meeting with the 3 fingers he succumed to the madness. I think that he was put in the everjail not as a punishment, but rehablitation place for him where he could take back control from the frenzyed flame and that's why he dose not use any frenzy spells on us, but insted uses the lightning he used in his prime befor the meeting with the 3 finger side note: I think shabriri killed vyke's maiden beacuse the frenzyed flame did not like that vyke was in control of the maddnes side note for the side note: i think there is a contection beween how when hieta died her body was untouched yet dead the same way that vyke's maidden's body was unskaved yet somehow dead. this is what makes me belive that the frezyed flame is behind vyke's maiden's death
Edgar making a deal with the Flame of Frenzy to bring back his daughter, and thus going mad in the process, actually makes so much sense and finally explains why Irina and Hyetta are basically identical characters. Which also explains why you meet Hyetta at the start of the Lurnia of the Lakes region where Edgar as the "Revenger" can be found further within. Meaning he likely made his way towards the 3 Fingers, somehow was contacted by them or Shabriri, and probably made some kind of deal to revive her. Only for himself to be driven mad, and ironically become a source of one of the grapes his reborn daughter would consume to progress on her journey to become the player's maiden of the 3 Fingers.
This is one of the better videos I've seen, quality and delivery it's amazing. Didn't know your channel was so small I expected your channel to be a much bigger one you deserve more, definitely subbed.
There's a theory going around that either Hyetta is Shabriri in another form or she was Vyke's maiden, afflicted by madness after he tried to explain what he's doing.
there's no way in hell that Hyetta isn't Shabriri. I just don't buy that Hyetta just came out of nowhere, her clothes were dyed by blood and somehow just appeared behind the stormveil castle after Irina died and literally looked and sounds like her. imo, Shabriri is a great manipulator but he's not a liar.
I love greatspears and really hope we get a ligthning-based version of his warspear in a DLC based on the little tidbit about how he was Lansseax's favorite.
A couple of the bigger lore channels have been letting me down of late, yours was great and focused on some characters I'd totally ignored before now. Brilliant. Subbed!
I`d like a Frenzy themed DLC that plays in a Land dealing with the consequences of following the Frenzied Flame i just want to fight more madness creatures to be honest despite the importance of the Frenzy i feel its still a little underused
Exactly! I love the frenzied flame stuff but it's a real shame there are like only 4 or 5 spells for it, of which 2 are useless outside of pvp. Would love to see more frenzied flame stuff but I'm sure others would hate it for PvP reasons
@@damienmichiels4119 a frenzy flame dlc would mean frenzy weapons and spells and enemies but also armor... the dlc armors could slow down the madness build up or smt like that ... we could also add more frenzy consumables both for attacking and defending
Very VERY unlikely, From don't like to officialize any ending from any of their games. The only REAL ending they gave via dlc was the one that ended Dark Souls 3. And given that elden ring is the first in its' own series, it's more likely dlc will give you stuff to do BEFORE the ending, as they did with BB and Ds1 just so they can avoid pissing off the people that picked the different ending. Like imagine you went with ranni's ending and ALL of a sudden, your story gets tossed aside because the other ending is needed for context for the DLC. No thank you, you're more likely to get a second game that has the frenzied flame ending as it's canon over DLC related to it.
What a dreadful idea, knowing fromsoft, all we'll get is a frenzied flame poison swamp and frenzied flame rune bears (Maybe frenzied flame lobsters too).
imagine fromsosft makes him an actual fully fledged boss in an upcoming dlc. In the first phase he fights with the frenzied flame but then he remembers his dragon gf lanseax and regains sanity ludwig-style, and he fights you dragon style!
There was one mysterious part of Vyke that you seemed to have missed, but it can be overlooked honestly, as idk if bug or intentional but if you wear Vykes' helmet with the Black Knife armor, it is one of the only (if not the only) helmets in the game to have the transparent hood pulled over it. If it is intentional and not a bug, then Vyke has some unspecified connection to the Black Knives?
I can't imagine them continuing the frenzied flame ending but it sure feels like the canon one to me. Melina vowing to kill you à la Berserk was a sick touch that none of the other endings have.
Guys calm down you're getting mad for no reason ... he's obvisously french and forgot to translate one part. "à la Berserk" just means berserk style or berserk like, not that it's a reference just that it reminds him about it. Jeez
Really amazing video and was a ton of fun to follow along with, thank you! In the game, I wish we could get a non-frenzy flame version of his weapon like he used in his evergaol fight, which I thought was really cool.
Poor Vyke man .. he clearly doesn't want to sacrifice his maiden. Swayed or not he took Sabriri suggestions .. sadly Vyke were not able to control the FF. Unlike other i feel like his quest are not fleshed out enough, if it were incomplete i hope fromsoft would improve it by patch or DLC.
This was brilliantly done...The first i heard of Vyke was encountering him in the Land Of The Giants,later i went to the church and defeated bloody finger Vyke and got his spear...Didn't realise he was the cover art as well. I love the lore vids you gained a new subscriber pal.
NGL Yura was the first questline in any souls game I completed, with Elden Ring being my first souls game. I honestly assumed I fucked up somehow when he died. I felt that way for many quests before I caved and wiki'd them to see what I did wrong. Which was really nothing (Except Fia's quest if I knew I could save her i'd of 100% done that. D's twin is the only NPC i've killed. Seluvis is living on borrowed time)
In a way vyke is a parallel to the main character foreshadowing what happens to your character in the frenzy flame ending but this time you control the frenzy rather than it controlling you. And that’s why fromsofts writing is awesome
You find a dead finger maiden in the church near where Vyke invades you, i'm guessing thats his maiden. Also Melina says that, she's only pretending to be a finger maiden.
Your lore content is PREMIUM the channel explosion is inevitable. The context of godwyn's life and death seems like something a lot of people are curious about but there aren't many vids on it yet
Wow. Vyke might be my favorite character now and after 150+ hours of play I only discovered him yesterday. Seems like a character ripped right out of Lothric. Excellent video.
I want to add some speculation here Sharibri was sentenced for slander which leaded to the frenzy flame. While the nomadic band was accursed for heretic and burnt underground. So it is very likely that Shabriri was the one that did it to them. Also Vyke armor has the fingerprint on him. If he stripped himself before the 3 fingers the armor wouldn't have had the fingerprints on it. I believe he wore an armor when meeting them which failed the imprint on his own body and made him mad. And his finger maiden is probably like Melina. They don't accept the 3 fingers deal and will just leave you when you do so. May be she killed herself or something after putting him into the ever gaelas she is now lost her purpose.
The frenzied flame was the result of a mistake by the Greater Will, not the result of Shabriri's slander. Hyetta tells you this at the end of her questline
The Frenzied Flame ending is also easily the most interesting IMO, and gives Melina some actual purpose in the story. I hope that's the canonical ending and gets a follow-up in any DLC or sequel content in the future.
Most likely if there ever will be canonical ending, it will be Rannis Age of Stars, since going by steam achievements and by how the game is designed, this is the one Miyazaki clearly wants you to pick. But imho no DLC will explore post end game stuff anyway. Sequels will most likely go the DS route of completely ignoring the previous game endings.
Unlikely. The only game that did DLC tie ins that relate to post game is DS3 and Ds2 Ds3's because it's so open ended, (In any of the oh endings it had) while alot of Elden ring's endings have a sense of finality to it. And there is NO way you are beating Melina in lore if she IS the gloam eyed queen as that ending suggests.
Im pretty shure the “canonical” ending is the most obvious one, you sit on the chair and become the elden lord, just like every npc on the game tells you to do, and just like 99% of the people ho finished the game do too,but ranni age of the moon ending is way more “canonical” then this franzied flame ending too
It seems that Shabriri is like a trickster god, taking pleasure in misleading and playing with those who are too naive or "blind" for their own good. Toying with men like Edgar, a man so *blinded* by his duty he neglected to protect his own kin. Or Yura, a man so *blinded* by his love he knowingly runs towards certain death.
One thing to note Vyke never remove the armor, we only know that from doing Hyetta quest and there are no evidences that Vyke met Hyetta, when we remove the armor it allow the 3 finger to enter the body as you can see it disappear after giving you the mark on the flesh. Vyke however didnt remove the armor because he doesnt know and cause madness to be inflicted on him instead. There are still plot hole like how he open the door in the first place.
I don't think the armor removal is a prerequisite to opening the door, I think the reason why Hyetta mentions it and why you have to is so your own armor isn't singed onto you like it was to Vyke.
First time I saw Vyke (that I remember at least) was in that one gaol circle things you find. Got his armour from that boss fight. Reading the item description of it immediately cast a cloud of susness over the [redacted spoiler] that I hadn't done yet on the mountain. His armour got ma theory juices going due to the obvious parrelel it drew to me, so I'm happy to hear what the deal is.
Its not explicitly said but the context of everything you hear surrounding the nomadic merchants and shabriri implies that he accused them of heretical beliefs, easy since they were foreigners to the lands between, and when they were shunned into the depths below the capitol, he planted the idea of them praying to the three fingers for salvation. The sheer amount of bodies in the hidden area suggests that enough of them were consumed by the flame to summon a physical body for the outer god of frenzy, allowing candidates for the lord of frenzy to vie for the throne after receiving the blessing. it seemed shabriri saw visions of the three fingers will and put all of the pawns into the perfect places for him to facilitate another person being the lord of frenzy. What a cool side story for the world
I killed yura in my first playthrough and when he showed up again as shabriri I didn't even talk to him I was so freaked out just like "AHH OH MY GAHD ZOMBIE" and killed him.
Just a little correction: Vyke did not remove his Armor when he communed with the three fingers hence its scarred appearence. some people mau think this is why vyke did not turn out to be lord of chaos, and shortly after imprisioned in an evergaol
The items say his body was seared by the flame though. Not sure about this one tbh. Maybe there were more than one 3 fingers back in the day and maybe after the initial meeting of the first one he met the rest of them and they ran a flame train on him? Cause if the three fingers was sealed in that door all along and Vyke had made contact with it, then how did the door become re-sealed? And why is the three fingers still there and not dissolved into Vyke’s body like it did with your character’s?
@@Link00TMM if he was wearing his armor, like the armor’s appearance suggests, it couldn’t go in him. His body is likely burned because his heated up armor burned him
@@LegiamasC-OnTwitta yup, armor significantly reducing the damage of an upcoming blow but it doesn't negate everything. you can wear a body armor and if I hit you in the body couple of times you would still feel the impact. especially if something is hot and touching your armor, you'll get burn no matter what.
The way you make these videos is very straightforward and satisfying. Truly enjoyed watching this, as usually I tend to find the videos that just can't hold my interest. Good job!
It also makes me ponder how talented Miquella must've been to create a tool to tame the frenzied flame itself. It's the path I chose to save Melina without condemning the world. Miquella truly seems to be the OG beast of the franchise. Made a haligtree that acted as a sanctuary for the lost and misbegotten. Loved by all who met him. Even mourned his brother Godwyn for his murder on the night of the black knives and desired for him an appropriate death. Desired to cure his sister of her rot curse with unalloyed gold needle. Even can tame the frenzied flame? If anything, sounds like Miquella should be Elden Lord if what the world needs is a good person on the throne. Also before anyone simps for Ranni, just because she's a cute doll doesn't mean she's a great person. She coordinated the night of black knives, murdered her brother's soul (like wtf? Godwyn even befriended the dragons) and sided with Rykard, dude who was torturing people in his basement. Ranni is determined to achieve her goals no matter the cost or who gets in the way. It seems Miquella was never willing to make such sacrifices.
Miquellas needle isn’t fully built, it only works in farum azula (which makes it easier to ward off the outer gods) and it doesn’t tame the frenzy flame, it wards off outer gods
Do we know if Vyke had obtained great runes before his imprisonment, and were reclaimed when he was? Because as we see, all the demigods still live and still have their great runes, so maybe Vyke had some kind of agreement with Morgott, which permitted him to pass the barriers which Morgott has placed throughout Leyndell. I just wonder what "being the closest to Elden Lord" actually means. 🤔
Holy shit, that would make sense, considering that Morgott would be noticed that people would questions who are in charge with Lyndell and he doesn't want to stain the throne, Him believing tarnished from the first place would make sense, even better considering that if Vyke was so close to befriending an ancient dragon, that would remind Morgott of Godwyn.
Ok I wanted to say this cuz I noticed it after getting his armor. It seems like the 3 fingers grabbed Vyke from behind. Now I haven’t embraced the 3 fingers but it looks like it embraces you while you face the palm and the finger burns are on your back(correct me if I’m wrong). So Vyke may have been trying to flee the 3 fingers or maybe rejected them and was grabbed and burned from behind. You can see the palm on his back if you use the needle to take off his cape.
Something I feel should be noted. If you kill Mohg the Omen and open the secret path before killing Morgott, there will be a magical barrier that prevents you from going down the path to the Three Fingers. It only goes away after killing Morgott.
This leads me to believe that both Morgott and Mohg recognized the danger of the Frenzied Flame, and at some point worked together to create this blockade to stop anyone from finding it.
Me too. Morgott made the barrier and Mohg set his projection. Though if you ask me, that's a still rather barebones defense against something that can potentially destroy the entire world.
I think they may have been working with him. The game says there was only 1 other who managed to get 2 great runes together to make it far enough to pass into altus.
We know he made it to the giants mountain, but what runes did he gain on the way? I assume Mohg and Morgott helped him. Then they betrayed him and locked him away upon learning enough about the 3 fingers. This may have led Mohg to the realization he could bring his own dynasty into the world if he so wished.
@@vaclavsoukup7302 why? They are demi gods with mohg serving an outer god that is equal to the greater will. How are they to know the chosen undead was going to kill them both?
@@GordKeen Because, as was seen with Godwyn, it *is* possible to kill a demigod and there are people actively doing it. Sure, Morgott made his special torches, but just maintaining a barrier and making projection a guardian of the place just doesn't seem enough to me. If they put more men in there, and maybe a Tree Sentinel to a boot, perhaps they protect it more.
@@vaclavsoukup7302 they are aware ranni has the rune of death, but she isn't after the frenzy flame. More tree sentinels etc do not compare to needing to defeat the projection of 1 demi god and defeating the actual version of another demi god. Also with vyke contained there was no way for them to know the frenzy flame could still influence people on the outside too. I think what they had was pretty overkill with how little knowledge they had of the frenzied flame.
Some people have speculated that Shabriri is the person who made the false claim on the caravan causing the nomadic merchants to be punished and buried alive which we can see in the game. It is likely that crime of slander that caused his eyes to be gauged.
it's pretty clear that the timeline is
shabriri claims the merchants are heretics > merchants get buried away > shabriri is revealed as a slanderer > shabriri's eyes are removed and he is reviled > the merchants chant a curse in his name > the flame of frenzy manifests, afflicts the three fingers below the capital, and the curse bursts forth from the back of shabriri's empty eye sockets
or, the three fingers are how the great caravan discovered the curse to cast on shabriri
So did shabiri have three eyes then since there are three shabiri grapes?
@@griffithdidnothingwrong7117 no, all grapes are named after him for his association, but its said a few times that those afflicted by the frenzied flame have their own shabriri's grapes, their eyes. if their eyes burst, they become yellow embers, otherwise, they are grapes
So the yellow embers that you pick up in different areas are eyeballs?
Vyke being friend with a dragon somehow make me think he was also trying to find placidusax in order to use miquella's needle, but he couldnt find the needle to rid himself off the frenzied flame after it take root
he should’ve read a guide🙄
@@elisakirschtein3398 lmaoo
I mean who would just expect some Commander in the middle of Caelid to have said needle.
he was not lucky as tarnished who had the internet
@@thephoenix4093 or as lucky as me, who just wandered west of Sellia and stumbled into that commander dude and got the needle almost instantly after talking to Gowry.
Vyke is one of my favorite elden ring characters so far, he's definitely very important it seems since he's plastered all over the game's cover art and many item descriptions talk about him
I think you might be thinking of him and also Vargram.
Seems like there could be more to him than anyone knows at this point
Could he be the Elden Ring version of Artorias the Abysswalker and his downfall?
To me, it seems both similar and uncanny..
Too bad most players doing a full game run wont see him since the quest is bugged
@@karldergrosse-333 Not to mentioned Vargram himself is also one of the first Tarnished of the Round Table who wielded a very lore-important weapon, I think he's also likely to be the former master of Torrent since the Spirit Ash Ranni gave you was the Lone Wolf spirit, which was also owned by that former master (The Raging Wolf).
- Did you ever hear the tragedy of Festering Fingerprint Vyke?"
- No
- I thought not. It's not a story the Finger Reader would tell you. It's a Three fingers legend. Vyke... was a Lord of the frenzied flame so powerful and so wise, he could use the yellow flame to burn the erdtree. He had such a knowledge of the frenzied flame, he could even keep the ones he cared about... from dying."
- He could actually... save people from death?"
- The frenzied flame is a pathway to many abilities... some consider to be unnatural."
- Wh- What happened to him?"
- He became so powerful, the only thing he was afraid of was... losing his maiden. Which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he fell into madness and was caught and put into evergaol. It's ironic. He sacrificed himself but in vain."
- Is it possible to learn this power?"
- Not from a Two Fingers.
This is wonderful!
Brilliant!
Cringe
@@thegatorhator6822 🤥
praise the three fingers
Honestly, Vyke's character and backstory is the reason why I want one of Elden Ring's DLCs to have us travel to the past and meet all of the characters in either their beginnings or their prime. One where you can meet Vyke before he is driven mad by his audience with the three fingers, and see him fall from grace likely due to an honest desire to protect his maiden by attempting to divert their fate of being sacrificed to burn the erdtree.
This is what I’ve been thinking. If we could go back to the lands between when everything was shiny and every one of the demigods was in their prime
Sorry to rain on the parade but every souls game has a world that was once in there prime. And the story is something happened that messed up the world. And they leave it vague asf so we can create and dream about the world of old. So they don’t have too it’s better for us cause we can’t create whatever we want.
@@jacobflores1781 True, but Elden Ring seems a little different in that regard. Yes, there was an event that caused the decline of the land, but unlike Lordran or Yharnam, we know quite a bit about the prime of The Lands Between and The Golden Order, and it seems they're less focused on making that 'golden age' vague, partly because The Lands Between aren't in the same amount of disarray as the worlds of other FromSoft games. Besides, almost every FromSoft DLC has some element of going to the past (whether it's literally going back in time, going somewhere stuck in time, or going to a replica of the past), so it's probably going to be a part of Elden Ring's DLC.
@@ultimateweeabootrash the only reason we know so much of the lore before the world went to hell is because they paid JRR Martin to write it.
No more time travel in souls
I love how smaller channels have been blowing the lore hunting out of the water. I was nervous about the state of lore hunting when big channels got the game early. Good stuff, subbed.
Totally agree, and some times the small channels have the most interesting theories. I think that maybe Gideon Ofnir was a nod to the lore hunters out there, trying to become all-knowing.
I wasn't expecting anyone to be near as good as vaatividya but some people deliver
@@TheLucasblanes gideon was pathetic tho :,) i was really expecting for more
@@oliverhaq3s254 yeah, he's only another tarnished with 99 int since he uses basically all magics and incantations of the game. It's not an actual boss. Should have been way more difficult.
@@TheLucasblanes i was really hyped when the narrator said "THE ALL KNOWING"
One more theory, I think Mogh, the Omen was an illusion created by Morgott, since if you beat him and go behind him before beating Morgott, a seal will block your way. If you inspect the seal it tells you it's being held up by King Morgott.
Nothing wrong with the omen being sent by mohg. They are twins, so not like that are intrinsically hating each other. There will be a point that they would have clashed, but they both came from the underground, so even they would have understood the 3 fingers is way too dangerous.
Very interesting!
@KIDAS That's because the Lord of Blood is his Margit, but backed with the power of a different Outer God, so it can sustain without his living essence.
Literally was thinking about Vyke. The fact that ancient dragons liked him, and how close he was to the Elden throne made me want to research more about him.
Enia remarks that, after you acquire two Great Runes, that she's only ever seen two Great Runes together once before. Considering that having two is also the requirement to reach the Altus Plateau (as told by Gideon) she's undoubtedly referring to Vyke here. If this is the case, I wonder what Great Runes Vyke was in possession of? I mean, every demigod we fight is firmly in possession of their own. Who did Vyke defeat to acquire his?
Since he was on his way to burn the erdtree he must have beaten or struck a deal with morgott in some way as If you try to make it to the lift of Rold or even the three fingers there's a barrier that states "sealed by Morgott the grace given" so he could have had morgotts which he got back in some way after vyke succumbs to madness
@@hollow9414 I disagree. For him to have even reached the Altus Plateau he needed two, unless he cut that deal with Morgott prior to going up the Lift of Dectus. He obviously didn't have Radahn's, and I doubt he'd have Ranni's (Rennala's) or Godrick's
@@bcm2893 it's hard to say since you don't necessarily need any great runes to get to altus plateau there are routes you can use to get there without
@@jacoboddie5364 that's true, yes, either by taking the tunnel or getting snatched by an Abductor Virgin. I still think Vyke was in possession of some great runes, potentially ones he claimed by slaying unknown demigods or other shardbearers. For now it's impossible to say for sure
@@bcm2893 yeah id say given the evidence it was most likely him who had them. I feel like he probably had godricks before him since godrick is shown to be pretty weak/cowardly/incompetent and I can't see him beating another demi-god. Although that's just speculation
Wow, this channel has gained much more traction than I was anticipating! I appreciate everyone who has come to check out my videos, and I hope to improve the quality as much as possible going forward. I'm still planning to read every comment I can, so if you have any feedback or additional lore insights, I will almost definitely see it at some point.
Also, sorry for some of the compression issues and for what I'm pretty sure is a mispronunciation of the name Hyetta. I hope you enjoy it anyway!
Great vid! Defo keep the same format and explanation into further vids, it was very clear and understandable how you told the story of vyke, looking forward to what you cover next!
Also I'm guessing shabriri when met on the mountaintop of giants is an agent of the frenzied flame? Or is he something more?
You deserve way more views my guy! Keep up the good work
This is high quality in my book, all you need is a little luck with the algorithm
I WANT TO START A CHABNEL HIW YOU RECORD THINGS
You should read audiobooks my guy! Great voice, keep it up!
The "we must turn our eyes" with the spinning grapes was so absurdly funny. Thank you. Made my day.
I wish we could use miquella’s needle on him, I also find it interesting his called “vyke, the dragon spear” and had a “friendship” of sorts with lansseax
Man had a dragon waifu while he had a maiden to focus on.
Also Vyke is too far gone. He's lost all reason to go on (Maiden dead, can't become Elden Lord anymore, can't become lord of frenzied flame), unlike us who could still scrounge up a reason to keep going.
@@ES21007 just because he couldn’t become elden lord doesn’t mean it’s not worth saving him with the needle, imagine we could have lansseax and vyke meet.
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The problem isn't that he's not worth saving. The problem is, what happens after?
For Miquella's needle to work, you need to already have burnt the Erdtree and take him all the way to Farum Azula. Remember, the reason he's nothing but a crazed husk of his former self is because he has nothing to live for. So why would he even try to save himself? What will he even do?
So you have to convince either of these versions of this broken man to go all the way to the End of Time:
A.) The Festering Fingerprint, who still guards the corpse of his dead Finger Maiden eons after he failed to become a Lord?
B.) The Lord Contender... Who would probably try to kill YOU?
The only possible thing I can see as a reason is Lansseax probably still loving him. But that wasn't enough to save him before. Why will that save him now?
@@ES21007 I don’t think loving lansseax would save him, but I definitely think lansseax would try and help you bring vyke to the dragon lord, also we can still use the unalloyed needles to temporarily stop the flame. (atleast I think), but I do mostly agree his to far gone, just be nice if we could get a nice reward through doing a long quest involving him, like if we cleanse him we can get his armour and spear un tainted by the flame
@@ES21007 i dont think its eons but ok
Chad Vyke utilizing frenzied flame to save his maiden. I missed the Shabriri encounter on my first playthrough because I've already inherited the flame (healed before ending). I feel like this conversation is very important context giving motivation for some of the player's Tarnished and explaining how they used their flesh for kindling.
By the way, regarding importance of the maidens, I'm sold on theory that Varre killed yours before you met her in Chapel of Anticipation.
Finally, I've been waiting for someone to make this, he's been my favorite character ever since reading the description on Vyke's Dragonbolt
I was thinking something:
- its said that two Great Runes are required to get the chance of becoming a Elden Lord
- The finger lady in the Roundtable Hold said that she saw two great runes together only once before us bring two
- Only two Demigods had Great Runes we never saw: Miquella and Ranni
Did Vyke found the Great Rune that Ranni casted away + found the lost rune of Miquella?
I do think that has to be the case. I got few theories about how Vyke got access to other areas.
1. Dragon helped him to travel places? Maybe was trying to go his way to past Farum Azula to reverse Frenzy effect?
2. Vyke probably struck a deal with Mohg/Morgott to get access to cold area? Mohg due to kidnapping Miquella and the Great Rune. Morgott due to Morgott himself was finding the alternatives to open the Erdtree like the player?
Ranni's rune is on the moon. Just look up.
Could it be possible there are other unmentioned demigods or shardbearers descendants from Marika/Radagon? I mean maybe Goldwyn was just hyped up because he was the first of them to die. The shattering wars could have caused the death of a few before we came into the story. It could maybe explain why some variations of the Elden Ring symbol have extra rings in them?
@@channelblood5088 I thought renalla had it?
@@benjamindraws9676 Ranni and Rennala are both Shardbearers so they each have their own Great Runes
12:04 probably one of the most goosebumping moments i have ever seen in elden ring !! An amazing video that shows more and more of the depth and intensity of the Lore
It seems the people Shabriri slandered were the merchants of the great caravan and that is the origin of the story. He slanders the merchants, they are imprisoned and call upon the frenzied flame, shabriri is punished and then afflicted in revenge by the flame and becomes their slave.
I personally think he slandered the Golden Order and got his eyes gouged out for the trouble. Merchants of the Great Caravan were probably asked to give hold to the Erdtree and when they refused, they were punished for not honoring something they didn't believe in.
@@vaclavsoukup7302 nah im p sure he slandered the merchants specifically. the item that refers to them says that they were "accused of heretical beliefs", which isn't the same as refusing to bend the knee or anything like that. plus, the golden order got along fairly well with the carians, so idk why they would freak out and imprison merchants for not being pro-erdtree
@@idzidz833 No hot merchant women for Radagon to marry.
the fact that he's on the game cover makes him goated.
Oh man, this is a heavy one. Knowing this before fighting him already evokes feelings akin to fighting Sif, Artorias, or Solaire way back when. Though you might not have ever had the chance to befriend Vyke in the game, walking in his shoes certainly comes close. And man… he’s got some heavy shoes.
Speaking of DS3, after defeating Gael, is it possible to return the blood of the dark soul(aka the dark soul) to the kiln of the first flame???
I find it interesting that Vyke's story is actually basically the cut story of Oscar of Astora, another of your kind who seek the same goal who goes a path differing from you, resulting in them failing to become the lord they initially set out to be from the very start, both seeing the end of their story at the hands of your character
I think vyke didn’t necessarily know exactly what he was getting into when encountering the 3 fingers. After all his armour is singed and melted beyond repair having not taken it off. I think he’s a lesson of curiosity and temptation to stay true on the path directed by the two fingers and grace.
I think he was lured down by shab (the guy who took yuras body), because he wanted to save his maiden
The two fingers are liars, and thier God is false. Fite me.
And yet nobody told him he would need to take his armor off. Though it might be that not even OG Shabriri was aware of said requirement at that point, and only through Vyke's failure did Shabriri, and ultimately Hyetta, who tells the player, get to that info.
Great, informative video!
I wonder what the connections between the Ailing Village on the Weeping Peninsula and the rest of the "frenzied locations" are, since it's quite isolated when you look at the map. Maybe that ties into Edgar dropping a Shabriri Grape when he invades you as the Revenger and the rest of the questline, as both Irina's/Hyetta's and Edgar's questlines start on the weeping peninsula as well.
I look forward to more videos from you, I hadn't heard practically anything about the dusk-/gloam-eyed queen before watching your vid on it some days back, so I hope there'll be many more moments where we can learn about mysterious and barely mentioned characters that many would have otherwise missed.
Keep up the great work!
Also, 5:09 was... *chef's kiss*
I think the madness is what happened when you take the golden order stuff too seriously and can't overcome the contradiction/flaw in it. That the 2 finger readers & grace are liars and the tarnished is never intended to succeed.
That's why the condition can only effect tarnished? It's like, weaponized disillusionment?
*not disillusionment, but like overcoming the contradiction by tripling down (the fundamentalists we're the double down) - the problem isn't the order, the problem isn't that the gods don't follow the order (aka fundamentalists answer), the problem is nothing follows the order so we gotta just have a total do over on everything (except the order/greater will which is obvi perfect). It's like a perversion of a perversion of a perversion.
@@SixBeark that's a very interesting idea, I don't know how true it is, but I like the many ways we can try to explain it
@@SixBeark And then there's someone called The Noble Goldmask: he implied that the Golden Order is flawed and had to be fixed.
I would love to see an actual questline for Vyke or maybe even a whole ending where you help Vyke become Elden Lord or Lord Of Frenzied Flame.
I like to imagine Vyke willingly put himself in that evergoal atop the mountains realizing just how messed up the flame of frenzy was overall. My guess is that he used one of Miquella's unalloyed gold needles to expunge the flame of frenzy from his body and I assumes the festering fingerprint Vyke that invades in Liurnia is that leftover frenzy.
Vyke will ride his bike. Psych! His name was mike.
im pretty sure he didnt use the Miquella's needle since he was only partly inflicted with frenzy flame (protected by his armor). Thus, the moment he realize he killed his maiden and have no other ways to burn the erdtree, he might given up and just willingly put himself in the evergaol, fearing that other entity of the frenzy flame might took over his body
@@shinner5382 makes perfect sense. I was thinking why in the prison he became back the roundtable knight who only uses dragonbolt. Only explanation is that he became sane again. It is sad to think that his dragon waifu Lansseax is still waiting for him at Altus Plateau. Maybe he is just too depressed to meet his beloved and friends or he is afraid of being taken control again by the frenzied flame as you suggest. But I don't think he has no option but to give up (tho according to himself yes). Since the tarnished also has no maiden, but melina came to the rescue. It might be that if vyke is not imprisoned, Melina would seek him instead. The tarnished just came in at the right moment.
Doesnt make sense
@@MattBG67 yo moma
One thing about the shunning-grounds: my guess is that it is Morgott's initiative to put Mohg there as a sort of guardian of the frenzied flame and such. While it is a projection of Mohg, we don't have much motive or method for him to have done so himself, while we have seen Morgott do so multiple times at Stormveil and even another copy of himself outside Leyndell. Not only that, if you beat Mohg the Omen before Morgott and attempt to pass through the hidden passage to the Frenzied Flame Proscription, there is a barrier saying "Sealed by Morgott, the Grace-Given". Seems quite on the nose in terms of who is interested in keeping that area secret and secure.
I thought it was really interesting how you said that vyke wasn't swayed by his maiden to disrobe and enter the tomb, but by an external force. However Hyetta instead in our case does directly tell us to do it. Since this body taking over shenanigans seems to be linked to shabriri, maybe this time he thought he would use a fake maiden to make it even more likely that you would become the Lord of frenzy since it didn't work out in vyke's case
Wow i thought it was the vagabond on the cover this whole time! That vyke is the meta symbolic protagonist is really cool 😎 i don't think they ever named or storied this role before.
I love how they made the promotional and testing characters into actual lore characters
Super cool explanation and makes a lot of sense; I avoided all of the Vyke/Frenzied Flame videos until I got that ending, now that I've finished it I'm glad I watched this to put all the pieces together.
Damn, no wonder Vyke armor was so familiar to me. He was in the cover! I always thought it was your own character wearing some random armor.
Anyway, I feel that what happened to Vyke is that he got nearly there, but he loved his maiden too much and decided to try and get the Three Fingers help to burn the tree instead, but as his armors show, for some reason he got embraced by the Three Fingers with his armor still on and thats probably why he failed at burning the tree himself. Maybe his maiden said or did something that stopped him from fully completing the ritual with the Three Fingers. Its weird but I cant think of any reason for his armor to be branded other than...he refusing to get naked to be embraced? I dont know.
But yeah, Shabriri tries to do the same with you, and while you can keep Melina alive by meeting the Tree Fingers, she will still leave you cuz she doesnt want the Frenzy Fire ending. And considering how the Frenzy Fire ending goes, I guess she leaving doesnt even matter because you burn the entire world anyway and I dont think anyone survived.
Also, you say Irina`s father might have made a deal with Shabriri, but I dont know if thats the case. You last find Irinas father at that cabin where he takes his revenge, and he attacks you thinking you were also part of the group that killed his daughter, so I feel like he has no idea that Irina`s body gets taken over by whatever Hyetta is.
You need a maiden companion to be able to listen to the aliens (outer gods/fingers) and they can somehow channel them. Vyke kept his plan to meet 3 fingers in secret, he didn't took the maiden with him, probably scared that she could get killed on the way down. With no maiden to tell him how to proceed he just went to meet 3 fingers face to face, just an sliver of the power managed to get to him through his visor but being incomplete he succumbed to the madness. I guess this whole thing is a metaphor about paying the consequences for not wanting to sacrifice anything?
Glad to see other small content creators doing well with elden ring gives me hope for muh twitch
Actually, the people Shabriri slandered were probably the Nomadic Merchants, who were then buried underground and in their despair summoned the Flame of Frenzy in the first place.
definitely not. more likely that Shabriri were slandering towards the Greater Will not to those merchants.
@@eetfuk3571slander is a strange word to use from the perspective of the golden order. when you spread lies about a massive religious order that's typically referred to as heresy.
@@MrPsych77 I know it's strange. but that's how I see it xD.
@@eetfuk3571 ok well I respectfully disagree
I love how it sounds like he's about to burst out laughing every time he says "finger maiden"
The animation @ 5:10 earned you a sub. Great vid.
This is the only game I don't care about spoilers. The more I know ahead, the better.
Enemies based on the frenzy flame are few and far apart, but I really hope we dive deeper into it's lore and those connected to it. Hopefully in a future dlc
Since the merchants were part of whats called this Great Caravan, its possible that all the destroyed carriages you see when entering Altus Plateu, through the Ruined-Strewn Precipe, belonged to the merchants. Ogres can be seen wondering all throughout the wreckages. Since they watch over the prisoners in the Shunning Grounds, it could be possible that these Ogres by the carriages carried out orders and imprisoned them long ago and still roam them to establish authority, or were even abandoned by their masters, or left willingly during the shattering. Since omens are shunned upon, its possible these Ogres were forced to work for the Golden Order at the time to lend strength. I could be reaching too far here and it could just be ransacking ogre highwayman but cant help but think to be honest. Also fun fact, sometimes when you kill merchants theyll say "Melt away with the rest of them" similar to what Hyetta says before she dies.
Yooo!!! This is my favorite story & set of incantations/weapons. But you are forgetting a key detail. In order for Vyke to get that far, he had to get 2 great runes. The finger reader in your finger room even says so. That they saw 2 great runes together once before. So wait WTF happened? That's another part you are missing. The finger readers all have their eyes burned out (and I wanna say at some point the main one in your finger room gets found dead and burned?). There's also part of the finger shield that talks about the dangers of 'unintetpreted fingers'. What if, whoever sealed the 3 fingers away did so by first cutting (rotting? Burning?) the 3 fingers off and then doing some kind of 3 fingers eye burning shit on the magic created clones in order to keep the finger power working but also now keep it und r control because for some reason the 2 little fingers are the chilliest?
The bit about two great runes having been collected before, presumably by Vyke, begs the question of who or where did he get them from? And who eventually ended up with them? Since we don't know how long ago Vyke was imprisoned, I suppose he could have been active right after the Shattering and nabbed them while they were, either, still loose or from someone not yet mentioned in the game. It's also not necessarily the case that there are only the ten that we're able to liberate right now.
There are a LOT of interesting things that a DLC could add into the game, and this is one of them. There are so many unfinished stories and pieces of things referenced, but never put into play, that make me almost certain that Elden Ring is getting a big expansion in the future.
@@gogauze most likely they were taken from him when he was imprisoned in the evergaol
No. Three Fingers and Two Fingers were once one Hand, the Hand of Greater Will, the vessel and apostle of GW. They parted because how they interpreted GW differently. The TF followed the Elden Beast that GW sent down to the Lands Between (see lore from incantation - Elden Stars from Deeproot area, ant cave), The TF, believe frenzy flame (another energy, power, 'god' in universe, that universe means GW in game) will burn and 'cleanse' this world. There were many Fingers before, TF is the last of its kind, imprisoned in capital deep sewer. The TF, unfortunately, is also dying out. You could find dead TF on devine towers and in Ranni's end quest she just killed the TF in her church underground (where you can give moon ring to Ranni and 'marry' this deity)
@@beeguyasai3549 ish. I had a little bit of a hard time following what u are saying is TF the 2f or 3f? Either way, the plethora of 'finger' related multiplayer/invasion items imo suggest a strong connection between fingers (both the weird giant mystical kind & our own characters fingers as evidenced by the finger readers and the bloody finger Varras quest) and the multi overlapping worlds aspect of the lands between
@@beeguyasai3549 I think we are supposed to interpret the dead 2 fingers we find as some kind of ritual sacrifice of someone's personal 2 fingers. I think everyone gets their own set of fingers, or rather, the 2fingers are somehow simultaneously personal to each entities universe while also being all connected. Also still feels connected to the Giants.
The songs of the nomads are all so beautiful. I‘ve spent quite some time just sitting beside and listening. Quite immersive.
Feels bad man. Vyke is a true one. He safed his maiden but in the end it was all for nothing.
That's the story of most NPCs if you think about it
It's even more tragic that Vyke... Could have been right.
You can become Elden Lord without sacrificing your maiden.
But he could not obtain the means. Perhaps miquella's research did not advance enough for more unalloyed gold needles. And he would not have known about them, nor would have been able to obtain them.
Vyke is ultimately a reflection of the player character. It's why he's plastered on the game's front cover. He's a version of you that's inferior. One that's failed. One that quit in the end.
Feels bad man…
@Lael I hear dragons are a very good lay
So Vyke is the elden ring haters then? Lol
@@osets2117 nah, its a player that stopped trying.
When you think about it Vyke IS a lot of player characters. He quit in the end. How many Elden Ring players do you think have quit before ever beating the game??? Makes sense he's on the front when you see it that way
Great video! What I really love about the lore of all the Fromsoft titles is that there is usually someone (or something) that tries to influence the PC to follow a certain path. Many characters, even if they appear friendly and cooperative, really wants to use us in pursue of their aims, and it's really fun to puzzle all the little clues together!
this was so amazingly interpreted! i hope your channel grows a lot
i think that like us, vyke was fine after being hugged by the 3 finger, he was able to control it just as we did, but when he saw that his maiden died while he was away meeting with the 3 fingers he succumed to the madness. I think that he was put in the everjail not as a punishment, but rehablitation place for him where he could take back control from the frenzyed flame and that's why he dose not use any frenzy spells on us, but insted uses the lightning he used in his prime befor the meeting with the 3 finger
side note: I think shabriri killed vyke's maiden beacuse the frenzyed flame did not like that vyke was in control of the maddnes
side note for the side note: i think there is a contection beween how when hieta died her body was untouched yet dead the same way that vyke's maidden's body was unskaved yet somehow dead. this is what makes me belive that the frezyed flame is behind vyke's maiden's death
Edgar making a deal with the Flame of Frenzy to bring back his daughter, and thus going mad in the process, actually makes so much sense and finally explains why Irina and Hyetta are basically identical characters. Which also explains why you meet Hyetta at the start of the Lurnia of the Lakes region where Edgar as the "Revenger" can be found further within. Meaning he likely made his way towards the 3 Fingers, somehow was contacted by them or Shabriri, and probably made some kind of deal to revive her. Only for himself to be driven mad, and ironically become a source of one of the grapes his reborn daughter would consume to progress on her journey to become the player's maiden of the 3 Fingers.
This is one of the better videos I've seen, quality and delivery it's amazing.
Didn't know your channel was so small I expected your channel to be a much bigger one you deserve more, definitely subbed.
His armor is probably my favorite set to use in the game
His armor is just as iconic as the elite knight set in all the dark souls in my opinion
I still couldn't believe how incredibly well-presented and researched this video is. Hopefully i can see your channel grow to what it should be.
There's a theory going around that either Hyetta is Shabriri in another form or she was Vyke's maiden, afflicted by madness after he tried to explain what he's doing.
there's no way in hell that Hyetta isn't Shabriri. I just don't buy that Hyetta just came out of nowhere, her clothes were dyed by blood and somehow just appeared behind the stormveil castle after Irina died and literally looked and sounds like her. imo, Shabriri is a great manipulator but he's not a liar.
I didn't say she didn't also possess Irina's corpse. You do find Vyke's Maiden's corpse, after all.
Its wholesome that a lot of Tarnished really cherished their finger maidens.
I love greatspears and really hope we get a ligthning-based version of his warspear in a DLC based on the little tidbit about how he was Lansseax's favorite.
I want this so much now... That and a unburnt set of his armor
Imagine if it turns out he had an exact copy of ornstiens spear. I’d scream like a little girl
A couple of the bigger lore channels have been letting me down of late, yours was great and focused on some characters I'd totally ignored before now. Brilliant. Subbed!
My personal belief of vyke is that he took on the flame to save his maiden. But he lost himself within the frenzy and killed her
Comprehensive and well-made video. Thanks for making this! Now, onwards... to keep obsessing about the lore of this game.
I`d like a Frenzy themed DLC
that plays in a Land dealing with the consequences of following the Frenzied Flame
i just
want to fight more madness creatures to be honest despite the importance of the Frenzy i feel its still a little underused
Exactly! I love the frenzied flame stuff but it's a real shame there are like only 4 or 5 spells for it, of which 2 are useless outside of pvp. Would love to see more frenzied flame stuff but I'm sure others would hate it for PvP reasons
@@damienmichiels4119 a frenzy flame dlc would mean frenzy weapons and spells and enemies but also armor... the dlc armors could slow down the madness build up or smt like that ... we could also add more frenzy consumables both for attacking and defending
It’s bullshit that madness can only be inflicted on other tarnished. We clearly see all manner of beasts afflicted with the flame of frenzy.
Very VERY unlikely, From don't like to officialize any ending from any of their games.
The only REAL ending they gave via dlc was the one that ended Dark Souls 3.
And given that elden ring is the first in its' own series, it's more likely dlc will give you stuff to do BEFORE the ending, as they did with BB and Ds1 just so they can avoid pissing off the people that picked the different ending.
Like imagine you went with ranni's ending and ALL of a sudden, your story gets tossed aside because the other ending is needed for context for the DLC.
No thank you, you're more likely to get a second game that has the frenzied flame ending as it's canon over DLC related to it.
What a dreadful idea, knowing fromsoft, all we'll get is a frenzied flame poison swamp and frenzied flame rune bears (Maybe frenzied flame lobsters too).
Vyke get many many descriptions in the games, but I knew little about this interesting character. Love this high quality video.
imagine fromsosft makes him an actual fully fledged boss in an upcoming dlc. In the first phase he fights with the frenzied flame but then he remembers his dragon gf lanseax and regains sanity ludwig-style, and he fights you dragon style!
they told Vyke to be a Dragon slayer, he became Dragons Layer instead
There was one mysterious part of Vyke that you seemed to have missed, but it can be overlooked honestly, as idk if bug or intentional but if you wear Vykes' helmet with the Black Knife armor, it is one of the only (if not the only) helmets in the game to have the transparent hood pulled over it. If it is intentional and not a bug, then Vyke has some unspecified connection to the Black Knives?
Your explanations are clear and well-sourced. Well done man, thoroughly enjoyed the edification! Subbed!
I can't imagine them continuing the frenzied flame ending but it sure feels like the canon one to me. Melina vowing to kill you à la Berserk was a sick touch that none of the other endings have.
Ah, yes revenge obviously a berserk reference lol
@@Shadow666_ *everything* is a berserk reference to these people lol, seen some far fetched “berserk” references
@@bayabooz4855 If a set is black and exists in soulsborne, it automatically becomes “Beserker Armor” to these people
Maliketh armor definitely be looking like the berserker armor. Revenge is definitely not a reference tho wtf
Guys calm down you're getting mad for no reason ... he's obvisously french and forgot to translate one part. "à la Berserk" just means berserk style or berserk like, not that it's a reference just that it reminds him about it. Jeez
Really amazing video and was a ton of fun to follow along with, thank you! In the game, I wish we could get a non-frenzy flame version of his weapon like he used in his evergaol fight, which I thought was really cool.
Poor Vyke man .. he clearly doesn't want to sacrifice his maiden. Swayed or not he took Sabriri suggestions .. sadly Vyke were not able to control the FF.
Unlike other i feel like his quest are not fleshed out enough, if it were incomplete i hope fromsoft would improve it by patch or DLC.
Let's all appreciate this man voice and story telling. Love you bro. You the man!!!
I didn't think about the maiden at the Church of Inhibition. At first I thought Lanseaxx was his maiden and he did not want to sacrifice her.
I don’t think a dragon can become or would wanna become a finger maiden but what do I know
This was brilliantly done...The first i heard of Vyke was encountering him in the Land Of The Giants,later i went to the church and defeated bloody finger Vyke and got his spear...Didn't realise he was the cover art as well.
I love the lore vids you gained a new subscriber pal.
We will watch your career with great interest.
"Have you ever heard the tragedy of Fingerprint Vyke the frenzied?...I thought not, its not a story many youtubers would tell you."
@@Kilo_23 is it possible to learn this power?
@@eetfuk3571 ....Not from a Two Finger...
Actually, been waiting for a video talking about Vyke, Tysm!
NGL Yura was the first questline in any souls game I completed, with Elden Ring being my first souls game. I honestly assumed I fucked up somehow when he died. I felt that way for many quests before I caved and wiki'd them to see what I did wrong. Which was really nothing (Except Fia's quest if I knew I could save her i'd of 100% done that. D's twin is the only NPC i've killed. Seluvis is living on borrowed time)
In a way vyke is a parallel to the main character foreshadowing what happens to your character in the frenzy flame ending but this time you control the frenzy rather than it controlling you. And that’s why fromsofts writing is awesome
How is that good writing? This isn’t the first time they’ve done a parallel like this. They did it with hawk wood in ds3
isnt it grr martin
One more thing is that Melina calls herself "burnt and bodyless". Could she have been Vyke's maiden? Was he the previous owner of Torrent?
Dude this makes sooo much sense!
She explicitly says she’s not a maiden
You find a dead finger maiden in the church near where Vyke invades you, i'm guessing thats his maiden. Also Melina says that, she's only pretending to be a finger maiden.
Probably referring to Ranni’s body if you go with the theory that they used to be a single being before severing her connection to the erdtree.
@@dustman2708 yeah I’m pretty sure shes the leader if the godskin duo or something
Your lore content is PREMIUM the channel explosion is inevitable. The context of godwyn's life and death seems like something a lot of people are curious about but there aren't many vids on it yet
Sad part is I think he was trying to protect his maiden that was in the church. :
Wow. Vyke might be my favorite character now and after 150+ hours of play I only discovered him yesterday. Seems like a character ripped right out of Lothric. Excellent video.
I want to add some speculation here
Sharibri was sentenced for slander which leaded to the frenzy flame. While the nomadic band was accursed for heretic and burnt underground. So it is very likely that Shabriri was the one that did it to them.
Also Vyke armor has the fingerprint on him. If he stripped himself before the 3 fingers the armor wouldn't have had the fingerprints on it. I believe he wore an armor when meeting them which failed the imprint on his own body and made him mad.
And his finger maiden is probably like Melina. They don't accept the 3 fingers deal and will just leave you when you do so. May be she killed herself or something after putting him into the ever gaelas she is now lost her purpose.
The frenzied flame was the result of a mistake by the Greater Will, not the result of Shabriri's slander. Hyetta tells you this at the end of her questline
Thank you so much for adding subtitles, I really appreciate it.
The Frenzied Flame ending is also easily the most interesting IMO, and gives Melina some actual purpose in the story. I hope that's the canonical ending and gets a follow-up in any DLC or sequel content in the future.
Most likely if there ever will be canonical ending, it will be Rannis Age of Stars, since going by steam achievements and by how the game is designed, this is the one Miyazaki clearly wants you to pick.
But imho no DLC will explore post end game stuff anyway. Sequels will most likely go the DS route of completely ignoring the previous game endings.
Unlikely.
The only game that did DLC tie ins that relate to post game is DS3 and Ds2
Ds3's because it's so open ended, (In any of the oh endings it had) while alot of Elden ring's endings have a sense of finality to it.
And there is NO way you are beating Melina in lore if she IS the gloam eyed queen as that ending suggests.
@@JanVerny He wants you to pick that because he’s a simp for ranni. Simple.
Im pretty shure the “canonical” ending is the most obvious one, you sit on the chair and become the elden lord, just like every npc on the game tells you to do, and just like 99% of the people ho finished the game do too,but ranni age of the moon ending is way more “canonical” then this franzied flame ending too
The thumbnail, yk you can see Jarren's and Ensha's body's on the ground seemingly dead, I find that cool
It seems that Shabriri is like a trickster god, taking pleasure in misleading and playing with those who are too naive or "blind" for their own good. Toying with men like Edgar, a man so *blinded* by his duty he neglected to protect his own kin. Or Yura, a man so *blinded* by his love he knowingly runs towards certain death.
Shabriri isn’t a god, he’s an incarnation of chaos. He was mortal that became a part of the three fingers.
@@Beebok_Beebop that's why I said *like* a Trickster God. Not he is a trickster god.
Your three videos are perfect. Please don't stop to put english subtitles cause it helps a lot
One thing to note Vyke never remove the armor, we only know that from doing Hyetta quest and there are no evidences that Vyke met Hyetta, when we remove the armor it allow the 3 finger to enter the body as you can see it disappear after giving you the mark on the flesh. Vyke however didnt remove the armor because he doesnt know and cause madness to be inflicted on him instead. There are still plot hole like how he open the door in the first place.
I don't think the armor removal is a prerequisite to opening the door, I think the reason why Hyetta mentions it and why you have to is so your own armor isn't singed onto you like it was to Vyke.
First time I saw Vyke (that I remember at least) was in that one gaol circle things you find.
Got his armour from that boss fight.
Reading the item description of it immediately cast a cloud of susness over the [redacted spoiler] that I hadn't done yet on the mountain.
His armour got ma theory juices going due to the obvious parrelel it drew to me, so I'm happy to hear what the deal is.
Its not explicitly said but the context of everything you hear surrounding the nomadic merchants and shabriri implies that he accused them of heretical beliefs, easy since they were foreigners to the lands between, and when they were shunned into the depths below the capitol, he planted the idea of them praying to the three fingers for salvation. The sheer amount of bodies in the hidden area suggests that enough of them were consumed by the flame to summon a physical body for the outer god of frenzy, allowing candidates for the lord of frenzy to vie for the throne after receiving the blessing. it seemed shabriri saw visions of the three fingers will and put all of the pawns into the perfect places for him to facilitate another person being the lord of frenzy. What a cool side story for the world
ngl he could have been like a mainstream boss
there weren't enough tarnished bosses, the only tarnished that isn't a regular npc is godfrey i think.
I killed yura in my first playthrough and when he showed up again as shabriri I didn't even talk to him I was so freaked out just like "AHH OH MY GAHD ZOMBIE" and killed him.
So good. Love it. I've been looking for a good lore video of the frenzied flame. Thanks!
Just a little correction: Vyke did not remove his Armor when he communed with the three fingers hence its scarred appearence.
some people mau think this is why vyke did not turn out to be lord of chaos, and shortly after imprisioned in an evergaol
The items say his body was seared by the flame though. Not sure about this one tbh.
Maybe there were more than one 3 fingers back in the day and maybe after the initial meeting of the first one he met the rest of them and they ran a flame train on him?
Cause if the three fingers was sealed in that door all along and Vyke had made contact with it, then how did the door become re-sealed? And why is the three fingers still there and not dissolved into Vyke’s body like it did with your character’s?
@@Link00TMM if he was wearing his armor, like the armor’s appearance suggests, it couldn’t go in him. His body is likely burned because his heated up armor burned him
@@Link00TMM if I heat a tin can with a corned beef inside, the corned beef would still heat up lol.
@@LegiamasC-OnTwitta yup, armor significantly reducing the damage of an upcoming blow but it doesn't negate everything. you can wear a body armor and if I hit you in the body couple of times you would still feel the impact. especially if something is hot and touching your armor, you'll get burn no matter what.
The way you make these videos is very straightforward and satisfying. Truly enjoyed watching this, as usually I tend to find the videos that just can't hold my interest. Good job!
It also makes me ponder how talented Miquella must've been to create a tool to tame the frenzied flame itself. It's the path I chose to save Melina without condemning the world.
Miquella truly seems to be the OG beast of the franchise. Made a haligtree that acted as a sanctuary for the lost and misbegotten. Loved by all who met him. Even mourned his brother Godwyn for his murder on the night of the black knives and desired for him an appropriate death. Desired to cure his sister of her rot curse with unalloyed gold needle. Even can tame the frenzied flame? If anything, sounds like Miquella should be Elden Lord if what the world needs is a good person on the throne. Also before anyone simps for Ranni, just because she's a cute doll doesn't mean she's a great person. She coordinated the night of black knives, murdered her brother's soul (like wtf? Godwyn even befriended the dragons) and sided with Rykard, dude who was torturing people in his basement. Ranni is determined to achieve her goals no matter the cost or who gets in the way. It seems Miquella was never willing to make such sacrifices.
Miquellas needle isn’t fully built, it only works in farum azula (which makes it easier to ward off the outer gods) and it doesn’t tame the frenzy flame, it wards off outer gods
That is why he will never be Elden Lord.
He was weak; and gods, must be strong.
5:09 made me fall in love with this video great editing lol
Do we know if Vyke had obtained great runes before his imprisonment, and were reclaimed when he was? Because as we see, all the demigods still live and still have their great runes, so maybe Vyke had some kind of agreement with Morgott, which permitted him to pass the barriers which Morgott has placed throughout Leyndell. I just wonder what "being the closest to Elden Lord" actually means. 🤔
Holy shit, that would make sense, considering that Morgott would be noticed that people would questions who are in charge with Lyndell and he doesn't want to stain the throne, Him believing tarnished from the first place would make sense, even better considering that if Vyke was so close to befriending an ancient dragon, that would remind Morgott of Godwyn.
Honestly, i do believe that there are a LOT more runes that the ones the player can get.
That Vykes dragonbolt transition from the kill to the incantation was smooooth
Ok I wanted to say this cuz I noticed it after getting his armor. It seems like the 3 fingers grabbed Vyke from behind. Now I haven’t embraced the 3 fingers but it looks like it embraces you while you face the palm and the finger burns are on your back(correct me if I’m wrong). So Vyke may have been trying to flee the 3 fingers or maybe rejected them and was grabbed and burned from behind. You can see the palm on his back if you use the needle to take off his cape.
This was a brilliant video. Great presentation and really loved how all this came to be. Great job!
This is such amazing content you have made :). I hope this channel explodes to the size it deserves!
Finally a video on my favourite Elden Ring character!
I think that it wasn’t shabriri that suggested frenzy but that it was Gideon the all knowning to stop him from becoming elden lord
He also got the Dragussy 🎉
Incredible video my bro. You really nailed it. I see success in your future. No doubt