The big twist is Amanda will be asked to plot against Vin, and his family by Jigsaw, but will be won over by their charm. It will be revealed her death in Saw 3 was faked so she could escape and join Dom's crew. Then, in Saw 13 subtitle, the unlucky bunch, Amanda and Dom will fight against Jigsaw, before Jigsaw by the end of the movie is won over by Dom's charm, and the movie ends with him inventing a time machine, so he can go back in time and fake his own death. This allows him to start a new life with Dom and join his family.
As a long time Saw fanatic this was an absolutely brilliant pitch. It manages to explore John’s hypocrisy, and utilizes both Amanda and Hoffman in a way that fleshes out earlier entries in the franchise. I can’t stress enough how much Saw X has revitalized the fandom. The hardcore Saw fans have been begging for a film that explores John’s hypocrisy for ages.
Exactly! One of my favorite scenes in any of these movies is when Hoffman dumps the guy out of the wheelbarrow and John gets upset and lectures Hoffman about how “that’s a human being” and then proceeds to put this “human being” into the Rack, a trap that he can’t escape on his own and is specifically designed to inflict as much suffering as possible lol
I absolutely love the idea of John more or less retiring at the start of Saw XI. It serves as a continuation of the conversation John had with his doctor at the beginning of X. "You want my advise? Retire..." "Your advice to me... is to die, easy?" Seeing him actually accepting that and choosing to die easy would be a great way to show how the events of X changed him. Well done!
Logan was still in the military during the timeline of the OG movies. So unless they decide to do a major retcon, he can’t be involved, which I think is fine. Gordon could genuinely be involved I think.
I had to come back and watch this again. I can't emphasize enough how great of a pitch this is. I'm a huge Saw fan, have been for 20 years, I've even wrote fan fiction, and I love your idea. I was thinking about it so much I actually got emotional imagining how the scenes would play out. This is the best pitch I've heard. If not Saw 11, maybe part 12. Awesome idea... sorry for commenting twice! I hope Lionsgate sees this video.
The whole idea for Saw XI is so epic and cool, and I really love the idea of challenging John Kramer's morality because it further dives into the psychological battle between him and Cecilia. About the third act of bringing Amanda and Hoffman into the final test, I can imagine the emotional intensity from Saw III's ending, with Amanda confronting John. Bringing Logan and Lawrence back is not a bad idea, and it might even make Logan more "canon." The whole pitch definitely echoes what Saw X did for the movies it chronologically follows, particularly the enhancing what's already established in the full story.
What was in general on my mind, is with what happened in saw X and Cecilia killing gaby, i would assume this is what starts to make amanda snap and it wont surprise me that Cecilia dies in the first unwinnable trap of hers. Also, isnt hoffman like he is because he was basically blackmailed in becoming an apprentice, though learning alot from john, and trying to safe his own ass when the cops are on his tail, trying to clean all the tracks so he gets his "non jigsaw life" back. Kinda like strahm said in saw 5: We were all supposed to die, you were supposed to be the hero.. Dr Gordon can work, if Hoffman doesnt see him, maybe he is unconcious or something? But i in general liked the idea, keeps it fresh and a bit more towards full circle
Saw X was being written originally to be a sequel to Jigsaw but when Chris rock made spiral the script that became Saw X was worked on for about 5 years. This is why it was so good.
I was gonna say Zepp but I don’t think he was ever discovered to be killed…let alone a Jigsaw victim. His corpse is in that bathroom and nobody knows about it.
Cody man pitch this Idea to Lionsgate already we need this for Saw 11. This is really the best idea I've ever heard and would definitely want to see this version in theaters!
You are a natural, my friend. I damn near stopped the video because I felt like you were spoiling a Saw movie for me! Great ideas. Makes you wonder why there are so many shit bombs in this franchise when you just wrote a whole script for them in a 30-minute UA-cam video. Keep up the creative thought! It will be exciting to see what we have on the horizon for this franchise.
Glad you liked it. There's 1000 different things that can go wrong when making a movie so coming up with a good idea to start with is probably the easy part. haha
@CodyLeachYT Good point, but I do think Hollywood is lacking in the creative storytelling department. Either way, loved the video. You are a captivating story teller and hope to get some new things like this from you in the future!
I forgot to mention, having "John Kramer vs Jigsaw" is yet another way to humanize Jigsaw as John Kramer. Also, I remember when I watched Saw 3D, where Doctor Gordon was revealed as one of the 3 under the pig mask, Hoffmann's look was not one of "who are you?" So much as it's "what the f**k are you doing here!" He knew him and vice versa.
Love this! I do think the one reason all the apprentices wouldn’t be able to come back is because Cary Elwes refuses to be part of the franchise. The mention of Dr. Gordon could happen but he won’t be back on the screen. A big missing puzzle piece my sister and I have been trying to figure out for years is Detective Tapp. Yes he died in the first one: even though I always wondered why his character wouldn’t have been wearing a bullet proof vest with how paranoid he had become. He survived a cut to the throat so it would not shock me he survived a bullet wound. But my main question is why he was SO obsessed, bound and determined to prove Dr. Gordon guilty of the Jigsaw killings. They spent a lot of time on his suspicions and I just wonder what, besides the pen light made him overtly paranoid of Dr. Gordon. Also how did he find Adam, the same person Dr. Gordon would be placed in a trap with, to take pictures of Gordon’s affair? We don’t know but my sister and I have just had suspicions about Tapp for years. I do like the idea of going and showing when Mark Hoffman had the switch from loyal apprentice to Jason Voorhees.
I had this fun idea for awhile for a saw movie is to have all the alive apprentices ( hope Hoffman is somehow still alive) in a saw trap. Having them in a test of who is the true and most loyal to John. The person behind the game could be dr Gordon or the kid from saw X.
This was great man, really entertaining! Me and my best mate were talking about a similar kind of idea, about John being the main test subject of the traps in Saw XI. Love this kind of content! 👍
Definitely agree that XI needs to have some aspect of Amanda and Hoffman working together. Not an original idea, but I saw someone else suggest that XI should take place between Saw II and III, and focus on Amanda and Hoffman having to work together to run a game now that John’s health is failing, and I thought that was a great idea, but it would be much harder to work in Cecelia
I think Logan would still be in military by the point of the OG movies Gordon could have a shot at it but I feel like it would be cool if Jill tuck was also there and we see a more villainous side to her that we haven’t seen yet and traps with no backstory yet that she secretly made with John in the earlier movies
I would love for Amanda to have a crisis of conscience, maybe Cecilia frames someone for something they didn't do. And when it transpires that they're innocent, Amanda is sent into a spiral of horror and self-doubt. I love the idea of the chickens finally coming home to roost. John's too removed from the consequences of his actions, he needs to see the aftermath up close and personal. Something to *really* test his morals.
This is a pretty good pitch. It is neat that it shows Johns Hypocrisy with his motives, and it had a good story that has both Amanda and Hoffman working together. The ending with Logan and Gordon being there was great as well. I do want to add that I think the story would probably have to take place either before the events of the gas house in 2 or it takes place after 2 and takes place before 3 and 4 since the events of Saw 3 and 4 took place on April 28th, 2006. Because there was a 6 month gap after 2 and that was also the date on the papers that the police got that is related to Rigg. Logan went to the military from May 2003 to July 2005 and was freed from being held captive during the war on May 2005 and during that time Logan was getting treatment from what happened after he was freed from being captured and he was released under his own recognizance on August 9th 2006 as it was said on Logan's report in Jigsaw So, it would either be July, August or September 2005 that this could take place in.
I loved this idea, I also love that while Amanda and Hoffman are fighting the entire time Logan and Gordon are being besties and got their shit together.
There's just ne problem I have with the pitched concept, how would this take John Kramer's arc to Saw 3,4? If he's being shown how terrible he is and must face himself a serious retcon will be needed. Jigsaw is not someone who ever showed he regretted what he's done. Unless yo would like to add in that Hoffman forces him to make these games we see in 3,4,5 and 6. And that these were games John Kramer wanted to abandon. Thus making Hoffman someone who was blackmailed into helping him, then he dicides he like being an accomplice, then he dicides to plan a way of maybe getting rid of Amanda who just does not care, she just wants to take care of kramer. Recontextualizing the quote she says to Hoffman, "I'm not going anywhere". She does not refer to really helping him as an accomplice anymore. But Hoffman still wants her gone so no one knows who he is. It could explain why John Kramer wanted his wife Jill Tuck to kill him, not test him, with the bear trap if she dicides. He knew she would probably be murdeered anyways and Hoffman would kill anyone. This would still make the timeline really convulted becuase it would mean Jigsaw had to have planned out all the games in 3-6 with tape recordings well before this idea you have in mind takes place. Then finally dicide to retire...only to have beafy boy lips over here say.......I want to play some games. 😂🤣😂 There's no avoiding the soap opera saw. Or should I say "Blood Opera".@@CodyLeachYT
I also think your idea for the grand reveal being the last victim John Kramer faces is a family member of a past Jigsaw victim, I would love for it to be Adam Stanhieght's mother or father. I don't think we need dr. Gordon or Logan though. Saw X worked because it was small in scale again, these two, XI and XII should remain that way as well since they're prequels. Just have Hoffman miraculously save this family member from their trap after they decide to refuse to be saved by the man that killed their son. Adam deserved better.
A cool idea to follow up on what you said is that it is revealed that the neighbour that was robbed is actually worse as they've been mainpulating the neighbourhood because rather then doing something meaningful with their life they would rather leach off the good nature of people, espically those that they form meaingful relationships with.
I loved this pitch, I think this would be a perfect continuation from Saw X! Please do more videos like this, I want to see what other ideas you have for other franchises.
Great video. Me personally as long as they focus on John Kramer as a character like in saw x I'll be happy. Can't believe it took as long as it did to get a movie solely around John but that's obviously what the fans want.
A think a cool idea would be is for them to do a “Halloween” type concept. Saw X was a direct sequel to the first Saw so treat this like a new timeline.
This idea for Saw 11 is sick! I can imagine Doctor Gordon saving the day for sure. (I think Logan if overseas though?) I can also see the 4 of them placing Cecilia in a trap at the film's conclusion, but Amanda let's her die by making the trap unwinnable. I imagine Ceceilia is being dragged towards a death machine, and she has to saw through her arm/wrist to escape. Amanda however removes the saw from Cecilia's reach. Amanda would point a gun at John as Cecilia is dragged into the trap. Like a real intense stare-off between Amanda and John with Lawrence and Mark unable to intervene (given her emotional state). This would be the Amanda we see in Saw 3 who is a complete mess. This is also why John shapes a game around Amanda having to keep someone alive.
I enjoyed your pitch. Piggybacking off of your idea about the dynamic between Gordon and Hoffman, I think it would be interesting to pay an homage to the OG Saw film by having Gordon be the voice on Hoffman's tape, sort of paralleling the disorienting nature of Adam and Lawrence being chained in the bathroom together and Dr. Gordon speaking to Adam in the dark, setting the games in motion (the ones we were aware of at least). Cary Elwes has an epic voice and I'd love to see that happen. It could still be Kramer who runs the game but he gives liberty to Gordon to give the instructions to Hoffman's test.
If the trilogy plays out like these pitches, it could seriously beat out Saw 1, 2, and 3 as a trilogy. I really want to see all of the apprentices work together.
this sounds pretty good! i wouldn't mind seeing the actual film toy with a lot of these ideas. i've always found it interesting what a film with every Jigsaw apprentice would be like
Bro that was a great pitch. I’m still in love with Saw 1 and 2, they’re actually my favorite horror movies. That being said I haven’t loved a Saw movie again until Saw X so I loved your ideas for Saw 11
To be on the tenth film without a reboot and have it be a banger is an absolute marvel imo. You'd be hard pressed to find another horror franchise with that accomplishment.
What I would love to happen at the post credit scene of your “trilogy” would be have a character in the last one that is related to Cecilia enter and at the end show Dr Gordon put a key behind hes eye, revealing him to be the guy in the Venus fly trap in saw 2. There for tying it into saw 2 directly
This is sick as fuck, this could easily be one of the best in the franchise. My only gripe I'd have with this plot would be that it takes place months/a year later, because in Saw X John was told he only had 3 months at best to live. I do like the idea of him accepting his fate and just living out the rest of his days peacefully, until of course shit goes down, and I love the idea of showing his softer caring side towards people who are important to him
Man, I do hope that they manage to bring back Dr. Gordon by the end of this series of Saw films, but all indications are that getting Cary Elwes back on board would be a tall order. Fingers crossed! Also out of all the other characters still alive during this part of the timeline, the one other actor I'd love to see brought back is Dina Meyer as Detective Kerry. If they could flesh out her story in the same way that they fleshed out John Kramer's story in Saw 10 then that would just totally recontextualize Saw 2 and 3 in an awesome way. Your idea is really solid aside from one factor. I am pretty sure that Saw 2 takes place about six months after Saw 1, and then Saw 3 takes place another six months after the second movie. So you either condense the timeline so that Saw 11 takes place either like three months max after Saw 10 or you set Saw 11 sometime between Saw 2 and 3.
Would really like a movie with all his apprentices for sure and that would make Jigsaw a little more connected with Logan showing up up in that movie, brilliant pitch for sure
Dam Cody...great story idea. Lots of twists and turns you’ve added into the continuation of the story along with past characters. Could you imagine if a producer or a screenwriter found your video here on UA-cam and took your whole idea 😂 now that would be cool and flattering!
For my theories I think it will open with John going to the hospital where he will find out that he is going to die and John tells his doctor that this time he will “die easy” he will go and visit Amanda and she will say that she has found the doctor lady from Saw III and he will say that he needs to except it. Cecilia calls Mark Hoffman and tells him that he has to bring her John Kramer or else she will kill a child who John lives next too. Hoffman tells John who calls Cecilia to get a location on where to go John goes to the warehouse and gets knocked out by Cecilia in a pig mask. John wakes up in a bathroom very similar to the room from Saw 1. John opens the door to the bathroom and inside a person is in a trap. The trap would by called the floss and there would be string attached to the persons teeth. Cecilia comes out into the room and tells the person in the trap the rules, and the person starts the trap but ends up getting her throat pulled out. John yells at Cecilia but she pulls a gun on her. John walks back and continues to save people from traps but the final one is a child who live next to John. Jigsaw tries to save the kid but relives that the kid is gonna die, but there is 30 seconds left so John uses his skills with making traps and John stops it and saves the kid. Hoffman and Amanda make it to the warehouse and Hoffman attempts to kill Cecilia while Amanda goes to see John. John tells Hoffman to spare her but Hoffman puts a reverse bear trap on her and John accepts that she should die And in Saw XII the kids from the end of Saw X and Saw XI would be revealed to be the two people who helped Gordon in Saw 3D. And Gordon and those two will try to continue his legacy but Logan and Hoffman are also trying to and the ooh cat killer from Spiral is trying to copy John but the main detective guy from Spiral tries to take them all down
I don’t know if this would necessarily work with the saw timeline (because it kinda bounces around.) but the inciting incident could be the mother from saw 9 who killed her baby and framed her husband. He could have befriended the father he was living next door to and had a close bromance of sorts. He sees the father going through everything involved with being blamed for killing his baby on accident and then when he commits self deletion it’s what triggers John to do the barn traps.
Wow. What a great pitch. Would absolutely love to see this. I Gotta shout out my favorite pitch of yours while I’m here tho, that of an alternate ending for Dexter New Blood that you did with CP. shit was phenomenal.
Dude, this is a brilliant fucking pitch. Well thought out. As a matter of fact John facing a family member of one of his victims would explain why he would do the game in Saw 3 with Jeff facing the people responsible for killing his son.
Great ideas man. I liked your ranking the saw traps video. Reminds me of you should do a ranking the deaths in The Final Destination franchise, maybe whenever part 6 finally comes out
Great pitch. I was thinking about what i wanted the plot to be about when it got announced and my first thought was i wanted to see john get tested by Celica. Great minds think alike
Love this idea Cody! I wouldn’t change any of your idea at all. The only thing to maybe help the Gordon/Hoffman plot hole I think would be to establish some type of a friendship between them. Have some sort of foreshadowing conversation between them, that we know doesn’t hold up in the end. Which would justify Hoffmann shock and pissed reaction in 3D. That would have to be more for saw 12 but I think it could work
I had an idea about a crazed Saw fan reenacting the films, and the police and authorities contact Tobin, Shawnee, Cary, Donnie and so on to help. I had an idea of Tobin talking down the killer at the end. You could incorporate Comic Con, etc. Kind of a "New Nightmare" scenario with the Saw actors playing themselves
This is honestly really good, I think the only issue I truly have is that a story that focuses on John Kramer's philosophy and him having to decide whether or not he is morally right with his vigilante justice would interfere with the other films. Is the idea that John Kramer would actually change his mind and realize that his games are terrible (which would then make the subsequent films kind of odd after that revelation), or would he decide that "Hey, I can keep doing these games as long as I keep in touch with my true philosophy" (which he does not do in Saw III, as most of those traps were unfair and outright left survival in the hands another person, rather than the key to survival being left with the victim of the trap). Overall, while the lesson for John is great, the message is going to lost due to the presence of the other installments that would chronologically come after.
My idea: Fill in the gaps with Eric matthews, what takes place while he’s captive so much room. Another group trap? Him involved, nice idea. He was a great character and he would be amazing to resurrect.
I swear on my cat I was thinking about this very thing the other day and thought John needs to be the subject with Cecilia at the helm somehow. This would be such a fresh take on an otherwise obvious storyline
Great content! Pitch Wars... pitch: You act as moderator (live or otherwise) and you bring on two guests with a prepared movie pitch?? Just an idea!... first one could be Bryan pitches a F13 movie and CP pitches a Critters movie, just to throw them for a loop and so they can "improve" the respective series'..
Love this style of video man! I hope to,see more of these. Maybe a slight edit I would make is that I would maybe fake the death of Logan along with Dr. Lawrence Gordon and keep Logan around in the shadows as an emergency option to continue his legacy if everything went up in flames. Faking Logan’s death would also be a good explanation as to why he hadn’t involved himself in the series sooner.
A new timeline that ignores everything after Saw II. Saw 11 would be Amanda vs. Hoffman. The movie would start with a friendly competition to prove to John who the more competent apprentice is and it would end in a jealous rivalry.
The idea is inspired, I think a relative of Xavier Chavez would work as the main character whom John is trying to save as Xavier has links to John, Amanda, Hoffman, and Eric Matthews who would still be alive and held prisoner by John at this point in time. Following the events of Saw X, John "retires" to a little village in Mexico. He asks Amanda to keep tabs on Cecilia, but Amanda is pissed that John isn't interested in punishing Cecilia any further as she doesn't believe that she has been rehabilitated. During this time, John befriends several of the villagers but none more than the woman who he is unaware is Xavier's pregnant sister. The village is menaced by a drug cartel who ransack the place, John opposes them and this results in Xavier's sister being shot. John drags her to a nearby hospital where she suffers a miscarriage giving him flashbacks to Jill losing their baby and triggering his Jigsaw identity to resurface. Assisted by Hoffman, John creates several traps for various members of the cartel but when he arrives to oversee the games he becomes locked in the facility himself. Cecilia announces herself as the new face of Jigsaw and John cannot comprehend how she was able to infiltrate his game. As John progresses through the game he comes across the various villagers from the opening act who have all been charged with various petty/frivolous crimes that are unworthy of being tested. Each time John tries in vain to save the innocent victim but repeatedly fails. Meanwhile, Hoffman contacts Amanda and the pair try to get access to John's game to save him. As John enters the final room of his game he comes across Xavier's sister. Both of them are shocked when Cecilia reveals the other's identity and John is broken when Xavier's sister refuses to save herself. With John in complete despair, Cecilia unlocks the game declaring that they are even allowing Hoffman and Amanda to enter. Something Cecilia stated throughout the game makes John suspect that she had help infiltrating his games and although he initially suspects Hoffman, Amanda raises his suspicions with a comment she makes. John decrees that the pair of them have permission to give Cecilia and the cartel one final test which leads into the Hoffman/Amanda-centric third installment. In the post-credit scene, John visits a disheveled Eric Matthews as he begins plotting Amanda's test that he would be forced to resort to carrying out if she rigs Cecilia's game.
This would be my favorite Saw film if came to fruition, my only drawback from anything you said was if this woman or whoever was this special to John, I feel like they would’ve talked about their problems and he would’ve found out on his own that he took their loved away via one of his traps
Thought (piggy back) Keep everything you just said, and the “Avengers” happens in the third film. Well maybe in the third movie, it appears that Gordon dies. Obviously he doesn’t, but then he would make his appearance in Saw 3D and that’s why Hoffman was shocked
The only thing I would add is Jill Tuck being involved since she did do at least part of his work in the later movies and she is another personal tie to John Kramer.
I just hope it focuses more on John and Amanda and their story as opposed to the traps and just showing how violent they can get like the later sequels 😊
I think that this pitch is fantastic, the only gripe I have is unfortunately in Saw 3D, Dr Gordon is shown in the flashback receiving the note from Jill at the hospital, implying that he is still a practicing doctor and that it’s public knowledge that he is still alive. He also appears at the AA meeting which is televised. Other than that, I think you can do the same idea without Dr Gordon and maybe have the Kid from Saw X involved somehow
What these interquel movies need to do is validate the abundance of reveals that the sequels did post 3. We need to see more of what those movies told us happened through brief flashbacks. We need to see the glue the binds character motivations together. X to XII will succeed if it explains the lacking apprentice motivations from saw IV onward.
yo Cody, been watching for awhile now, and just want to say that as a massive saw fan (its my fav horror movie series), id absolutely love this. it would probably be my new favorite.
Really neat concept! After absolutely loving Saw X, I’m really interested to see what they end up doing with Saw XI regardless of the direction they take. Personally, though, I really liked the potential of an anthology-style format that Spiral kinda set up with its concept of “The Book of Saw,” and I’d love to see that explored more in the future as well. My own personal concept for the next film in that series would be a more overtly noir-influenced story called “Checkmate,” where another Jigsaw-inspired serial killer is offing influential political and law enforcement figures (who all represent various chess pieces, hence the title) for their participation in a cover-up surrounding a major crime from years ago to escape mounting political pressure and/or receive some sort of personal gain. I also think that between the killer of that movie, Schenk from Spiral and potentially even Logan in Jigsaw, that could be another good potential setup for Dr. Gordon’s return to the franchise as the true successor to Jigsaw bringing hell down upon the various pretenders to the throne. I know they probably won’t explore the Book of Saw concept any further given Spiral’s overall poor commercial performance and reputation among the fans (despite me personally liking it as a flawed but interesting new direction for the series), but I really hope they don’t just let it die, because I think there’s so much to be done there once the Saw X series concludes.
A bit that i keep thinking about involves zep hindle. In saw he's in a controller role like art blank in saw 4. Art gets that role after completing his previous test. I don't know where it would fit but seeing zeps potential first test would be interesting at some point. Maybe too late for it's necessity with him dying during dr Gordon's first test.
I think an idea could be that Ceilia vs John could have it be Ceilia having John question how her cheating people out of money with her scam was any different from John forcing people to make a choice with their life because she could make the twisted argument that John took something that people value in life away from them keeping with her character of being a hypocritical scumbag in of herself while also challenging John on how taking away a limb is justifiable.
I know it is unlikely to happen, but I would actually like to see a SAW movie in the distant past. It would be interesting to see a younger John Kramer in like the 50s or 60s.
Hopefully they'll nicely tie things up as a lead in to part 2 and beyond - have Cecilia suffer in a game, culminating in her winning and John letting her go, only to have Amanda murder her for what she did to Gabriella. That way, it shows how Amanda changed to her ideals in part 3, setting up her arc and how it will play out in those films.
This movie could also be John and Amanda vs Hoffman because Hoffman could question how John going after these people goes against what he taught him "It can never be personal."
Saw XI will introduce Vin Diesel in a post credits scene, Saw XII will pit Vin Diesel against the apprentices… family vs family
The big twist is Amanda will be asked to plot against Vin, and his family by Jigsaw, but will be won over by their charm. It will be revealed her death in Saw 3 was faked so she could escape and join Dom's crew.
Then, in Saw 13 subtitle, the unlucky bunch, Amanda and Dom will fight against Jigsaw, before Jigsaw by the end of the movie is won over by Dom's charm, and the movie ends with him inventing a time machine, so he can go back in time and fake his own death. This allows him to start a new life with Dom and join his family.
Cue the mash up of Bandeleros and the saw theme 😆
And then the movie ends with a barbeque.
You joke, but id watch this
Fuck it I’m in
As a long time Saw fanatic this was an absolutely brilliant pitch. It manages to explore John’s hypocrisy, and utilizes both Amanda and Hoffman in a way that fleshes out earlier entries in the franchise.
I can’t stress enough how much Saw X has revitalized the fandom. The hardcore Saw fans have been begging for a film that explores John’s hypocrisy for ages.
Exactly! One of my favorite scenes in any of these movies is when Hoffman dumps the guy out of the wheelbarrow and John gets upset and lectures Hoffman about how “that’s a human being” and then proceeds to put this “human being” into the Rack, a trap that he can’t escape on his own and is specifically designed to inflict as much suffering as possible lol
I absolutely love the idea of John more or less retiring at the start of Saw XI. It serves as a continuation of the conversation John had with his doctor at the beginning of X.
"You want my advise? Retire..."
"Your advice to me... is to die, easy?"
Seeing him actually accepting that and choosing to die easy would be a great way to show how the events of X changed him. Well done!
Logan was still in the military during the timeline of the OG movies. So unless they decide to do a major retcon, he can’t be involved, which I think is fine. Gordon could genuinely be involved I think.
This guy is not a writer . He doesnt even know Saw lore .
Love these kind of concept videos and sounds like a solid idea. Hope someone involved in the production sees this!
I had to come back and watch this again. I can't emphasize enough how great of a pitch this is. I'm a huge Saw fan, have been for 20 years, I've even wrote fan fiction, and I love your idea. I was thinking about it so much I actually got emotional imagining how the scenes would play out. This is the best pitch I've heard. If not Saw 11, maybe part 12. Awesome idea... sorry for commenting twice! I hope Lionsgate sees this video.
I appreciate it!
“I’m not a Hollywood writer…(at least not yet)” yess dude get it! I think you would be a great writer!
The whole idea for Saw XI is so epic and cool, and I really love the idea of challenging John Kramer's morality because it further dives into the psychological battle between him and Cecilia. About the third act of bringing Amanda and Hoffman into the final test, I can imagine the emotional intensity from Saw III's ending, with Amanda confronting John. Bringing Logan and Lawrence back is not a bad idea, and it might even make Logan more "canon." The whole pitch definitely echoes what Saw X did for the movies it chronologically follows, particularly the enhancing what's already established in the full story.
What was in general on my mind, is with what happened in saw X and Cecilia killing gaby, i would assume this is what starts to make amanda snap and it wont surprise me that Cecilia dies in the first unwinnable trap of hers. Also, isnt hoffman like he is because he was basically blackmailed in becoming an apprentice, though learning alot from john, and trying to safe his own ass when the cops are on his tail, trying to clean all the tracks so he gets his "non jigsaw life" back. Kinda like strahm said in saw 5: We were all supposed to die, you were supposed to be the hero.. Dr Gordon can work, if Hoffman doesnt see him, maybe he is unconcious or something? But i in general liked the idea, keeps it fresh and a bit more towards full circle
This will probably be better than the real Saw XI.
I agree
Saw X was being written originally to be a sequel to Jigsaw but when Chris rock made spiral the script that became Saw X was worked on for about 5 years. This is why it was so good.
Zepp's family member would be a crazy fit as a relative of the final test subject.
I was gonna say Zepp but I don’t think he was ever discovered to be killed…let alone a Jigsaw victim. His corpse is in that bathroom and nobody knows about it.
I slept on this channel for quite a while. Since I found it. I've binged for the past 5 or 6 days. Really nice work man!
Welcome aboard!
Love the idea of an Amanda and Hoffman team up. That would be so interesting. If they could get Gordon and Logan back too? Phew that would be awesome.
Cody man pitch this Idea to Lionsgate already we need this for Saw 11. This is really the best idea I've ever heard and would definitely want to see this version in theaters!
You are a natural, my friend. I damn near stopped the video because I felt like you were spoiling a Saw movie for me! Great ideas. Makes you wonder why there are so many shit bombs in this franchise when you just wrote a whole script for them in a 30-minute UA-cam video. Keep up the creative thought! It will be exciting to see what we have on the horizon for this franchise.
Glad you liked it. There's 1000 different things that can go wrong when making a movie so coming up with a good idea to start with is probably the easy part. haha
@CodyLeachYT Good point, but I do think Hollywood is lacking in the creative storytelling department. Either way, loved the video. You are a captivating story teller and hope to get some new things like this from you in the future!
I forgot to mention, having "John Kramer vs Jigsaw" is yet another way to humanize Jigsaw as John Kramer.
Also, I remember when I watched Saw 3D, where Doctor Gordon was revealed as one of the 3 under the pig mask, Hoffmann's look was not one of "who are you?" So much as it's "what the f**k are you doing here!" He knew him and vice versa.
This was badass man! We 10000% need more pitches from you. I still think about your Dexter finale pitch years later lol
Thanks man. So do I! Hahaha 😢😢😢
@@CodyLeachYT You dont know how to write a movie .
More of these videos would be fun, I'm sure you have some interesting ideas for things you would like to see in movies and it's just fun to hear!
Love this!
I do think the one reason all the apprentices wouldn’t be able to come back is because Cary Elwes refuses to be part of the franchise. The mention of Dr. Gordon could happen but he won’t be back on the screen.
A big missing puzzle piece my sister and I have been trying to figure out for years is Detective Tapp.
Yes he died in the first one: even though I always wondered why his character wouldn’t have been wearing a bullet proof vest with how paranoid he had become. He survived a cut to the throat so it would not shock me he survived a bullet wound.
But my main question is why he was SO obsessed, bound and determined to prove Dr. Gordon guilty of the Jigsaw killings. They spent a lot of time on his suspicions and I just wonder what, besides the pen light made him overtly paranoid of Dr. Gordon.
Also how did he find Adam, the same person Dr. Gordon would be placed in a trap with, to take pictures of Gordon’s affair?
We don’t know but my sister and I have just had suspicions about Tapp for years.
I do like the idea of going and showing when Mark Hoffman had the switch from loyal apprentice to Jason Voorhees.
Besides the home invasion part, I actually like your idea. And I’d love to see Dr. Gordon and Logan again.
I had this fun idea for awhile for a saw movie is to have all the alive apprentices ( hope Hoffman is somehow still alive) in a saw trap. Having them in a test of who is the true and most loyal to John. The person behind the game could be dr Gordon or the kid from saw X.
This was great man, really entertaining! Me and my best mate were talking about a similar kind of idea, about John being the main test subject of the traps in Saw XI. Love this kind of content! 👍
PLEASE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS!!! Love these kinds of videos and would love to see more of your ideas!
Definitely agree that XI needs to have some aspect of Amanda and Hoffman working together. Not an original idea, but I saw someone else suggest that XI should take place between Saw II and III, and focus on Amanda and Hoffman having to work together to run a game now that John’s health is failing, and I thought that was a great idea, but it would be much harder to work in Cecelia
This pitch is incredible!! Always afraid after hearing an amazing pitch like this that the actual thing won't be as good in comparison
I think Logan would still be in military by the point of the OG movies Gordon could have a shot at it but I feel like it would be cool if Jill tuck was also there and we see a more villainous side to her that we haven’t seen yet and traps with no backstory yet that she secretly made with John in the earlier movies
I would love for Amanda to have a crisis of conscience, maybe Cecilia frames someone for something they didn't do. And when it transpires that they're innocent, Amanda is sent into a spiral of horror and self-doubt. I love the idea of the chickens finally coming home to roost. John's too removed from the consequences of his actions, he needs to see the aftermath up close and personal. Something to *really* test his morals.
This is actually a fantastic idea. You seem to have a knack for storytelling!
This is a pretty good pitch. It is neat that it shows Johns Hypocrisy with his motives, and it had a good story that has both Amanda and Hoffman working together. The ending with Logan and Gordon being there was great as well.
I do want to add that I think the story would probably have to take place either before the events of the gas house in 2 or it takes place after 2 and takes place before 3 and 4 since the events of Saw 3 and 4 took place on April 28th, 2006. Because there was a 6 month gap after 2 and that was also the date on the papers that the police got that is related to Rigg.
Logan went to the military from May 2003 to July 2005 and was freed from being held captive during the war on May 2005 and during that time Logan was getting treatment from what happened after he was freed from being captured and he was released under his own recognizance on August 9th 2006 as it was said on Logan's report in Jigsaw So, it would either be July, August or September 2005 that this could take place in.
Hey man big fan of your channel for years now. I love this idea! Keep ‘em coming Cody!
I loved this idea, I also love that while Amanda and Hoffman are fighting the entire time Logan and Gordon are being besties and got their shit together.
Exactly! Glad you liked it.
There's just ne problem I have with the pitched concept, how would this take John Kramer's arc to Saw 3,4? If he's being shown how terrible he is and must face himself a serious retcon will be needed. Jigsaw is not someone who ever showed he regretted what he's done. Unless yo would like to add in that Hoffman forces him to make these games we see in 3,4,5 and 6. And that these were games John Kramer wanted to abandon.
Thus making Hoffman someone who was blackmailed into helping him, then he dicides he like being an accomplice, then he dicides to plan a way of maybe getting rid of Amanda who just does not care, she just wants to take care of kramer. Recontextualizing the quote she says to Hoffman, "I'm not going anywhere". She does not refer to really helping him as an accomplice anymore. But Hoffman still wants her gone so no one knows who he is. It could explain why John Kramer wanted his wife Jill Tuck to kill him, not test him, with the bear trap if she dicides. He knew she would probably be murdeered anyways and Hoffman would kill anyone.
This would still make the timeline really convulted becuase it would mean Jigsaw had to have planned out all the games in 3-6 with tape recordings well before this idea you have in mind takes place. Then finally dicide to retire...only to have beafy boy lips over here say.......I want to play some games. 😂🤣😂
There's no avoiding the soap opera saw. Or should I say "Blood Opera".@@CodyLeachYT
I also think your idea for the grand reveal being the last victim John Kramer faces is a family member of a past Jigsaw victim, I would love for it to be Adam Stanhieght's mother or father.
I don't think we need dr. Gordon or Logan though. Saw X worked because it was small in scale again, these two, XI and XII should remain that way as well since they're prequels.
Just have Hoffman miraculously save this family member from their trap after they decide to refuse to be saved by the man that killed their son. Adam deserved better.
@@paintingcube3853Infatti il concept è carino, ma non si collega bene alla saga
A cool idea to follow up on what you said is that it is revealed that the neighbour that was robbed is actually worse as they've been mainpulating the neighbourhood because rather then doing something meaningful with their life they would rather leach off the good nature of people, espically those that they form meaingful relationships with.
I loved this pitch, I think this would be a perfect continuation from Saw X! Please do more videos like this, I want to see what other ideas you have for other franchises.
I dig it! I feel like this is way more creative than what we'll end up getting lol.
Great video. Me personally as long as they focus on John Kramer as a character like in saw x I'll be happy. Can't believe it took as long as it did to get a movie solely around John but that's obviously what the fans want.
Anyone ever tell you that you should be writing for Hollywood Cody? Because man, you come up with some wildly great ideas. 💡👍
I really hope they keep what made Saw X so special for XI. I love all the films and the traps but it was nice to get that breathe of fresh air
A think a cool idea would be is for them to do a “Halloween” type concept. Saw X was a direct sequel to the first Saw so treat this like a new timeline.
This idea for Saw 11 is sick!
I can imagine Doctor Gordon saving the day for sure. (I think Logan if overseas though?)
I can also see the 4 of them placing Cecilia in a trap at the film's conclusion, but Amanda let's her die by making the trap unwinnable. I imagine Ceceilia is being dragged towards a death machine, and she has to saw through her arm/wrist to escape. Amanda however removes the saw from Cecilia's reach. Amanda would point a gun at John as Cecilia is dragged into the trap. Like a real intense stare-off between Amanda and John with Lawrence and Mark unable to intervene (given her emotional state). This would be the Amanda we see in Saw 3 who is a complete mess. This is also why John shapes a game around Amanda having to keep someone alive.
I enjoyed your pitch. Piggybacking off of your idea about the dynamic between Gordon and Hoffman, I think it would be interesting to pay an homage to the OG Saw film by having Gordon be the voice on Hoffman's tape, sort of paralleling the disorienting nature of Adam and Lawrence being chained in the bathroom together and Dr. Gordon speaking to Adam in the dark, setting the games in motion (the ones we were aware of at least). Cary Elwes has an epic voice and I'd love to see that happen. It could still be Kramer who runs the game but he gives liberty to Gordon to give the instructions to Hoffman's test.
If the trilogy plays out like these pitches, it could seriously beat out Saw 1, 2, and 3 as a trilogy. I really want to see all of the apprentices work together.
this sounds pretty good! i wouldn't mind seeing the actual film toy with a lot of these ideas. i've always found it interesting what a film with every Jigsaw apprentice would be like
Bro that was a great pitch. I’m still in love with Saw 1 and 2, they’re actually my favorite horror movies. That being said I haven’t loved a Saw movie again until Saw X so I loved your ideas for Saw 11
Killer idea man! Would love to see more of these pitches
To be on the tenth film without a reboot and have it be a banger is an absolute marvel imo. You'd be hard pressed to find another horror franchise with that accomplishment.
God Damn this is good! I got the chills listening to your ideas about the ending of Saw 11 going into saw 12. They ought to hire you as a writer
Let Cody cook that would be cinema if SAW XI turned out like this
What I would love to happen at the post credit scene of your “trilogy” would be have a character in the last one that is related to Cecilia enter and at the end show Dr Gordon put a key behind hes eye, revealing him to be the guy in the Venus fly trap in saw 2. There for tying it into saw 2 directly
I LOVE THIS IDEA!! buttt i personally think amanda would be way more loyal than hoffman
This is sick as fuck, this could easily be one of the best in the franchise. My only gripe I'd have with this plot would be that it takes place months/a year later, because in Saw X John was told he only had 3 months at best to live. I do like the idea of him accepting his fate and just living out the rest of his days peacefully, until of course shit goes down, and I love the idea of showing his softer caring side towards people who are important to him
Man, I do hope that they manage to bring back Dr. Gordon by the end of this series of Saw films, but all indications are that getting Cary Elwes back on board would be a tall order. Fingers crossed!
Also out of all the other characters still alive during this part of the timeline, the one other actor I'd love to see brought back is Dina Meyer as Detective Kerry. If they could flesh out her story in the same way that they fleshed out John Kramer's story in Saw 10 then that would just totally recontextualize Saw 2 and 3 in an awesome way.
Your idea is really solid aside from one factor. I am pretty sure that Saw 2 takes place about six months after Saw 1, and then Saw 3 takes place another six months after the second movie. So you either condense the timeline so that Saw 11 takes place either like three months max after Saw 10 or you set Saw 11 sometime between Saw 2 and 3.
Wow! I'm really impressed with your ideas for the movie! That's would be great! You've got talent! :)
Thank you.
Would really like a movie with all his apprentices for sure and that would make Jigsaw a little more connected with Logan showing up up in that movie, brilliant pitch for sure
Dam Cody...great story idea. Lots of twists and turns you’ve added into the continuation of the story along with past characters. Could you imagine if a producer or a screenwriter found your video here on UA-cam and took your whole idea 😂 now that would be cool and flattering!
haha well its no secret the Saw producers scour the internet to see what the fans are saying.
For my theories I think it will open with John going to the hospital where he will find out that he is going to die and John tells his doctor that this time he will “die easy” he will go and visit Amanda and she will say that she has found the doctor lady from Saw III and he will say that he needs to except it.
Cecilia calls Mark Hoffman and tells him that he has to bring her John Kramer or else she will kill a child who John lives next too. Hoffman tells John who calls Cecilia to get a location on where to go
John goes to the warehouse and gets knocked out by Cecilia in a pig mask. John wakes up in a bathroom very similar to the room from Saw 1. John opens the door to the bathroom and inside a person is in a trap. The trap would by called the floss and there would be string attached to the persons teeth. Cecilia comes out into the room and tells the person in the trap the rules, and the person starts the trap but ends up getting her throat pulled out.
John yells at Cecilia but she pulls a gun on her.
John walks back and continues to save people from traps but the final one is a child who live next to John. Jigsaw tries to save the kid but relives that the kid is gonna die, but there is 30 seconds left so John uses his skills with making traps and John stops it and saves the kid. Hoffman and Amanda make it to the warehouse and Hoffman attempts to kill Cecilia while Amanda goes to see John.
John tells Hoffman to spare her but Hoffman puts a reverse bear trap on her and John accepts that she should die
And in Saw XII the kids from the end of Saw X and Saw XI would be revealed to be the two people who helped Gordon in Saw 3D. And Gordon and those two will try to continue his legacy but Logan and Hoffman are also trying to and the ooh cat killer from Spiral is trying to copy John but the main detective guy from Spiral tries to take them all down
I still can’t believe it took them 10 movies to finally make a great saw movie!
I don’t know if this would necessarily work with the saw timeline (because it kinda bounces around.) but the inciting incident could be the mother from saw 9 who killed her baby and framed her husband. He could have befriended the father he was living next door to and had a close bromance of sorts. He sees the father going through everything involved with being blamed for killing his baby on accident and then when he commits self deletion it’s what triggers John to do the barn traps.
Cody you get my vote for you being a Hollywood writer!
Wow. What a great pitch. Would absolutely love to see this. I Gotta shout out my favorite pitch of yours while I’m here tho, that of an alternate ending for Dexter New Blood that you did with CP. shit was phenomenal.
Dude, this is a brilliant fucking pitch. Well thought out. As a matter of fact John facing a family member of one of his victims would explain why he would do the game in Saw 3 with Jeff facing the people responsible for killing his son.
Great ideas man. I liked your ranking the saw traps video. Reminds me of you should do a ranking the deaths in The Final Destination franchise, maybe whenever part 6 finally comes out
This is an amazing story, hope what we get is half rewarding as this was
Great pitch. I was thinking about what i wanted the plot to be about when it got announced and my first thought was i wanted to see john get tested by Celica. Great minds think alike
Love this idea Cody! I wouldn’t change any of your idea at all. The only thing to maybe help the Gordon/Hoffman plot hole I think would be to establish some type of a friendship between them. Have some sort of foreshadowing conversation between them, that we know doesn’t hold up in the end. Which would justify Hoffmann shock and pissed reaction in 3D. That would have to be more for saw 12 but I think it could work
This is so so so good, but now I’m way too hyped to wait for the release haha. Great vid!
I had an idea about a crazed Saw fan reenacting the films, and the police and authorities contact Tobin, Shawnee, Cary, Donnie and so on to help. I had an idea of Tobin talking down the killer at the end. You could incorporate Comic Con, etc. Kind of a "New Nightmare" scenario with the Saw actors playing themselves
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This is honestly really good, I think the only issue I truly have is that a story that focuses on John Kramer's philosophy and him having to decide whether or not he is morally right with his vigilante justice would interfere with the other films. Is the idea that John Kramer would actually change his mind and realize that his games are terrible (which would then make the subsequent films kind of odd after that revelation), or would he decide that "Hey, I can keep doing these games as long as I keep in touch with my true philosophy" (which he does not do in Saw III, as most of those traps were unfair and outright left survival in the hands another person, rather than the key to survival being left with the victim of the trap). Overall, while the lesson for John is great, the message is going to lost due to the presence of the other installments that would chronologically come after.
Maybe she's Detective Sting's sister, the guy who got blown away by the shotgun trap.. Or even related to Tapp..
The other apprentice showing up at the end would be perfect for Logan!
I think Dr Gordon would be a nice twist at some point
My idea: Fill in the gaps with Eric matthews, what takes place while he’s captive so much room. Another group trap? Him involved, nice idea.
He was a great character and he would be amazing to resurrect.
I swear on my cat I was thinking about this very thing the other day and thought John needs to be the subject with Cecilia at the helm somehow. This would be such a fresh take on an otherwise obvious storyline
Great content! Pitch Wars... pitch: You act as moderator (live or otherwise) and you bring on two guests with a prepared movie pitch?? Just an idea!... first one could be Bryan pitches a F13 movie and CP pitches a Critters movie, just to throw them for a loop and so they can "improve" the respective series'..
Love this style of video man! I hope to,see more of these. Maybe a slight edit I would make is that I would maybe fake the death of Logan along with Dr. Lawrence Gordon and keep Logan around in the shadows as an emergency option to continue his legacy if everything went up in flames. Faking Logan’s death would also be a good explanation as to why he hadn’t involved himself in the series sooner.
A new timeline that ignores everything after Saw II. Saw 11 would be Amanda vs. Hoffman. The movie would start with a friendly competition to prove to John who the more competent apprentice is and it would end in a jealous rivalry.
The idea is inspired, I think a relative of Xavier Chavez would work as the main character whom John is trying to save as Xavier has links to John, Amanda, Hoffman, and Eric Matthews who would still be alive and held prisoner by John at this point in time.
Following the events of Saw X, John "retires" to a little village in Mexico. He asks Amanda to keep tabs on Cecilia, but Amanda is pissed that John isn't interested in punishing Cecilia any further as she doesn't believe that she has been rehabilitated. During this time, John befriends several of the villagers but none more than the woman who he is unaware is Xavier's pregnant sister. The village is menaced by a drug cartel who ransack the place, John opposes them and this results in Xavier's sister being shot. John drags her to a nearby hospital where she suffers a miscarriage giving him flashbacks to Jill losing their baby and triggering his Jigsaw identity to resurface.
Assisted by Hoffman, John creates several traps for various members of the cartel but when he arrives to oversee the games he becomes locked in the facility himself. Cecilia announces herself as the new face of Jigsaw and John cannot comprehend how she was able to infiltrate his game. As John progresses through the game he comes across the various villagers from the opening act who have all been charged with various petty/frivolous crimes that are unworthy of being tested. Each time John tries in vain to save the innocent victim but repeatedly fails.
Meanwhile, Hoffman contacts Amanda and the pair try to get access to John's game to save him. As John enters the final room of his game he comes across Xavier's sister. Both of them are shocked when Cecilia reveals the other's identity and John is broken when Xavier's sister refuses to save herself. With John in complete despair, Cecilia unlocks the game declaring that they are even allowing Hoffman and Amanda to enter. Something Cecilia stated throughout the game makes John suspect that she had help infiltrating his games and although he initially suspects Hoffman, Amanda raises his suspicions with a comment she makes. John decrees that the pair of them have permission to give Cecilia and the cartel one final test which leads into the Hoffman/Amanda-centric third installment.
In the post-credit scene, John visits a disheveled Eric Matthews as he begins plotting Amanda's test that he would be forced to resort to carrying out if she rigs Cecilia's game.
They definitely need to find some way to keep John’s humanity
This would be my favorite Saw film if came to fruition, my only drawback from anything you said was if this woman or whoever was this special to John, I feel like they would’ve talked about their problems and he would’ve found out on his own that he took their loved away via one of his traps
Thought (piggy back)
Keep everything you just said, and the “Avengers” happens in the third film. Well maybe in the third movie, it appears that Gordon dies. Obviously he doesn’t, but then he would make his appearance in Saw 3D and that’s why Hoffman was shocked
I wish you were one of the writers of Saw XI. It’d be a huge banger! :D
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The only thing I would add is Jill Tuck being involved since she did do at least part of his work in the later movies and she is another personal tie to John Kramer.
I just hope it focuses more on John and Amanda and their story as opposed to the traps and just showing how violent they can get like the later sequels 😊
Really great ideas. Would love for this to happen.
I think that this pitch is fantastic, the only gripe I have is unfortunately in Saw 3D, Dr Gordon is shown in the flashback receiving the note from Jill at the hospital, implying that he is still a practicing doctor and that it’s public knowledge that he is still alive. He also appears at the AA meeting which is televised. Other than that, I think you can do the same idea without Dr Gordon and maybe have the Kid from Saw X involved somehow
What these interquel movies need to do is validate the abundance of reveals that the sequels did post 3. We need to see more of what those movies told us happened through brief flashbacks. We need to see the glue the binds character motivations together. X to XII will succeed if it explains the lacking apprentice motivations from saw IV onward.
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yo Cody, been watching for awhile now, and just want to say that as a massive saw fan (its my fav horror movie series), id absolutely love this. it would probably be my new favorite.
This pitch is absolute genius.
Really neat concept! After absolutely loving Saw X, I’m really interested to see what they end up doing with Saw XI regardless of the direction they take. Personally, though, I really liked the potential of an anthology-style format that Spiral kinda set up with its concept of “The Book of Saw,” and I’d love to see that explored more in the future as well. My own personal concept for the next film in that series would be a more overtly noir-influenced story called “Checkmate,” where another Jigsaw-inspired serial killer is offing influential political and law enforcement figures (who all represent various chess pieces, hence the title) for their participation in a cover-up surrounding a major crime from years ago to escape mounting political pressure and/or receive some sort of personal gain. I also think that between the killer of that movie, Schenk from Spiral and potentially even Logan in Jigsaw, that could be another good potential setup for Dr. Gordon’s return to the franchise as the true successor to Jigsaw bringing hell down upon the various pretenders to the throne.
I know they probably won’t explore the Book of Saw concept any further given Spiral’s overall poor commercial performance and reputation among the fans (despite me personally liking it as a flawed but interesting new direction for the series), but I really hope they don’t just let it die, because I think there’s so much to be done there once the Saw X series concludes.
A bit that i keep thinking about involves zep hindle. In saw he's in a controller role like art blank in saw 4. Art gets that role after completing his previous test. I don't know where it would fit but seeing zeps potential first test would be interesting at some point. Maybe too late for it's necessity with him dying during dr Gordon's first test.
I think an idea could be that Ceilia vs John could have it be Ceilia having John question how her cheating people out of money with her scam was any different from John forcing people to make a choice with their life because she could make the twisted argument that John took something that people value in life away from them keeping with her character of being a hypocritical scumbag in of herself while also challenging John on how taking away a limb is justifiable.
I know it is unlikely to happen, but I would actually like to see a SAW movie in the distant past. It would be interesting to see a younger John Kramer in like the 50s or 60s.
Was about to rewatch your Saw X review and got this surprise! Keep it up Cody
Hopefully they'll nicely tie things up as a lead in to part 2 and beyond - have Cecilia suffer in a game, culminating in her winning and John letting her go, only to have Amanda murder her for what she did to Gabriella.
That way, it shows how Amanda changed to her ideals in part 3, setting up her arc and how it will play out in those films.
This movie could also be John and Amanda vs Hoffman because Hoffman could question how John going after these people goes against what he taught him "It can never be personal."
Brilliant concept ! I want this to happen !