Mary assuming both that Ministry both had the Baron under their dominatrix boot, that they were a luxury escort AND that they were abused by said Baron and not okay with that has me worrying about the quality of her novels' characters' writing...
I feel like it would’ve been better if the author just made her character a self-important dingbat who likes acts like his status in society is way higher than it really is. This would’ve made a much more interesting character.
I mean vtm isnt a stranger to characters with mental disorders Hell theres a whole clan thats basically "they're all coocoo for cocoa puffs" But even they have some limits
Have a friend who one time played a changeling with a multiple personality disorder in pathfinder. The concept is really good, but it only works if the player can execute it well. Thankfully hers was well done
I'd personally already say "no" to ten personalities, especially for a player who's never RP'd with a group in this manner before. Even if they are super-amazing at maintaining it, the sheer information amount needed for the character is absurd. As in, if the personalities have different hobbies, areas of interest, etc. (or in other words, are more than stereotypes), it'd mean maintaining ten different character stories, world info, and whatnot. Heck, I'd even suggest "no" to a complex character with 50 NPC backstories in general for first-timers for sheer amount of info needed to maintain.
@@Elhvir I had a player who had one personality for each alignment. Edit: Whoops, sent that way early. I meant to also say that I guess that's why I don't have a problem cause she rp'd it very well and it was her first time to my knowledge. Maybe she had other rp experience but she said she was new to D&D. Her character was probably my favorite from that campaign.
It is double-sad because I've RP'd with people who have published actual books on bigger names. Not much hardcopy selling, mostly digital, but at least I can say "some of people here might've read their book". And that friend? Oh boy, she literally played her character to support other plots first, and then wove her story to link in with those plots. As in, she wrote a good STORY with all of us, not just a good CHARACTER.
i had a 'Main Character Syndrome' where the player was always trying to out do anyone in the party, so the DM finally put him in his place by presenting him with a player level 20 item at level 2, and when the guy tried to claim it, he failed the wisdom check and what would cause a level 20 barbarian barely a scratch to his health, instant KO'ed his character, so thinking he learned his lesson, the healer of the group revived him, and instead of realizing what he did was wrong, HE ATTEMPTED TO CLAIM THE ITEM AGAIN, and instant KO'ed himself again, when it happend this time he accused the GM he was targeting him cause he was envious of him and all of us were just his sidekicks and didnt need him, well as the owner of the Discord we were using i band him from the group, and to this day anytime one of us were to say something stupid we would say "Dont be a Piano" (his character name)
Pre watching: Players who are bad narratively don't usually mess everything up in RPGs since there's so much combat you can roll back on. How bad could this be? "So we're playing Vampire 5e" OH NOOOOOOOO
Meh I dunno man, I kinda like the more loose mechanics of v5 and the larger focus on coterie cohesion and slipping humanity. That being said my "perfect" VtM edition would be a mix between v20 and v5 I think - taking most of the mechanical stuff from v20, adding the lore you want from "nWoD" (and discarding the shit you don't want) while having a heavy focus on the coterie, their slipping humanity and their touchstones (along with a solid relationship map) :)
@@Micras08 Yes, but when the player is absolutely god awful at roleplaying, an entire game that is essentially just roleplaying is going to suck with that person.
@@bestaround3323 Oh for sure, I've actually had that problem myself when v5 first rolled around; my group kinda slept on how RP heavy v5 expect things to be and our first attempt collapsed ^^
Okay, so we either have a trash writer, or a semi popular trash writer, got it. Yes, this is a joke. But so much of the YA genera is crap. They just knock off the big names.
Getting published aint hard. Technically i was a published author at the age of 16, when my school had a book printed by Penguin Publishers with poems and short stories written by students (that the school made a couple hundred thousand on, and used to fund a faculty party/vacation, without giving any to the students who actually wrote the material)
@@theeye8276 It was tried. "the works of the students, belong to the school, from the moment they are entered into a school computer'. shit held up in court. Kids stopped writing or doing art using school provided supplies. School lost a huge amount of income from the annual art and writing fair, where students would sell their artwork or writings, with 50% of the profit going to the schools various programs, because the kids didnt want their works being stolen.
I was a published author in like 4th grade when we had some after school activity thing where we wrote a book and got it published lmao. I read it recently and it’s so fucking awful but simultaneously hilarious because of how awful it is. Being published doesn’t mean shit lol.
There’s a prevalent stereotype about how people who write YA are dumb cliche love obsessed freaks with Mary Sue protagonists and love triangles. Which some of them are, but just as many adult novels are like that too. Sturgeon’s law knows neither genre nor target audience.
@@nomisunrider6472 There's also plenty of good YA novels. Its just after Twilight and Hunger Games became popular the market got flooded with knockoffs trying to be the next one of them. Which doesn't go well.
You don't even need to read it to get that clue. Though personally I'm pretty iffy about Mary Sue being used as a criticism because it tends to get thrown around willy nilly, in this case that does look like what she was going for.
@@shadenox8164 I just mentioned because that was how I was introduced to the word. Was also unaware that it was over/misused, am not heavily involved in that side of fandom.
@@allatronnone587 not really as it can also just be anyone who has the power system bend to there will, have everyone like them for no reason, succeed at everything they try, etc
Big reminder: There's a distinct difference between being self published, which anyone can do no matter how bad, and being published, which requires a publishing company to read and edit the work
Here is my hot take. Writing and publishing books doesn't mean you have a talent as an author. It only means that you are able to put many words on many pages and sell it in book form.
@@littlemoth4956 considering the internet everything can be a hot take. And I know serveral wanna be authors personally who consider my opinion in that regard as "toxic"
White Wolf games in general I think get this duality. Partly because there are really flexible rules so you can do things that in normal DnD or Pathfinder wouldn't be possible. On the flip side, there are really flexible rules so the assholes can take things off the rails REAL fast unless the GM is right there pumping the breaks.
'Ten personalities' . That was your red flag there. I'm almost disappointed the campaign never got off the ground- I'm sure it would have been hilarious. I wonder what Ministry's cringy one liners would be like?
I look at it like an ensemble cast. Look at the first Avengers movie: everyone gets their time to shine, without any one of them stealing the spotlight wholesale.
As someone who has written and published books, i gotta say I can respect the hustle and struggle that comes with writing. If you do it right, you're going to be doing A LOT. But the problem with people like Mary is that they think being a story teller= being a good /desired player, when clearly she was not. Dnd is a cooperative game, and if someone is trying to steal the spotlight/ take over, no one is going to be having fun.
I honestly thought she was being egotistical. I mean, I haven’t officially published any stories but I did write a short story for a program I was in a few years ago. It was basically a reference to Taken except instead of having the character threaten to kill someone, they threaten to be very good at convincing the caller to buy a car, that said caller doesn’t need, for a higher price than it’s worth.
@@OtepRalloma still, she can possibly be a good dm. And ima not assume that she will just create a dmpc. Also i dont think shes really that back considering shes a new player and new players will want to be the main character of a rp.
@@ryokiritani4187 I feel his paintings are just a bit empty and look like they're perpetually out of focus. Not terrible by any means, but nothing worth seeking out.
There's a lot to unpack here, but the first red flag should have been the multiple personality concept for someone who has no roleplaying experience whatsoever, the GM should have urged them to go with a simpler concept for their first character at least. This has nothing to do with limiting someone's creativity, it's important to protect newbies from overly ambitious self destruction. The second red flag is the quite obvious main-character-syndrome with the Mary Sue character sheet and the expectation that each and every character player controlled or NPC has to follow their every whim, there's not much one can do about it, but talk out of game to reinforce the idea that it's supposed to be cooperative story telling and kick them from the game if they're not willing to adapt. The final nail in the coffin are the lore changes they made without consulting the GM first. Many GM's will gladly help you flesh out your backstory, but it's just offensive towards the GM to make up plot points without their knowledge or consent. I understand that it can be difficult to go from having full creative control as an author to get in this cooperative mindset, especially if it comes from a place of sheltered fanfiction writing, that is mainly written to fulfill the authors fantasies and desires.
@@vsGoliath96 I'm a massive fan of Vampire, been since I first heard of it from VtMB when I played it in 2007. But uhhh.... Yeah. You seem to get the worst sorts in the game, especially since V5 came out and repopularized it. Two of my worst horror stories come from V5 lmao
@@birdmandan9456 I don't know much about it, but it seems like the kind of game that would attract the edgy teenagers who think DND is two mainstream. Not to diss the game itself, of course, just those kinds of player.
@@akl2k7 you're right, of course, but it also has a deep, fascinating lore and the *good* games tend to revolve around byzantine political schemes and discussions of morality, class, and individual accountability. So you've gotta be careful, might end up with a great game, might end up with stuff like in this story and worse.
I feel like there's a good chance Roger was the one who dropped the ball the worst on this one. He probably didn't set realistic expectations for what the entire game was going to be in the first place, to make it sound more appealing. It becomes especially obvious when you remember that Roger "gave her pointers" before session 0 and she still ended up with a completely broken and unreasonable character. After all, let's not forget that Mary is a new player and even with OP giving good feedback and trying to establish boundaries - if Roger simply keeps undermining these efforts back at home (and on car rides) there will obviously be trouble.
DM "Here are the rules for creating a character". Mary: "Here's my character sheet". DM: "You've obviously not followed the rules, that's called cheating". Mary: "My character concept requires these abilities". DM: "If your character concept requires you to cheat, it's not a valid character concept (for this game)". Mary: "Why are you being such a dick?" DM: "I'm being a Dick for expecting you not to cheat?" Mary: "If my character can't be the main character then I'm not going to grace you with my presence". DM: "This isn't an airport, you don't have to announce your departure. Buh, Bye".
Being an author requires some humility. You are smaller than what you create. You are unimportant, people will appreciate your work not you. So no, this kind of bullshit shouldn't be a writers identification ticket. Yes, some became the face of a genre, like King, Poe, Marquez, etc. But still, we read their work. As a novice author I think the biggest difference between writing and playing D&D is that when you are doing your own business in art, it's your business. People can suggest things, but at the end, you are the author. You do what your little heart desires. But in TTRPGs, you have a group, a DM, a lot of other folk. They have their own ideas and goals. Creative vision doesn't narrows down to one person. But there are some benefits of being an author. As a DM, you can make kickass hooks, understands the proper working of a good story better. As a player, you can make your characters beefy and full of life (and butcher it in an istance if you have my acting skills :DDDD). You just have to learn how to implement these things into a game. So yeah, fellow writers and whatnot: please learn to cooperate. Let's show the world that not all of us have our heads so deep inside our asses, that we can implode at any time.
@@thebiglich YA = young adult. It's a genre including books like: hunger games, harry potter, maze runner and other bocus, heavily focussing on characters in the ages 14 to 20. Most stories have the main character as the most important person in the world, with usually very stupid and evil government organizations as their enemies.
when i heard at the end that roger was running a campaign with her as a player i immediately had flashbacks to the story critcrab did where the dm let his girlfriend walk all over the party
As someone who once attempted to write a novel, I can respect someone getting it published. But with my experience playing and even dming D&D games it's a whole different ride. The world isn't your playground it's the whole party's and you need to work together. I'd suggest for any authors or would be authors to attempt dming first but make sure the spotlight is fully on the party. No one likes a Mary Sue.
Bro, you can publish your book on Amazon by yourself for a few bucks and call yourself "published." (Source: am also writer who researched self-publishing and got overwhelmed with the amount of trash on Amazon Kindle)
Honestly, if you ask me the first red flag was wanting to play a character with did with what looks like no research other than the steriotypes in media. She might have done some research but she gives of that kind of vibe
Most people want to play a plural character to play off those tropes/stereotypes sadly, and they're all so so wrong. Like we're not dangerous or "evil" or psychopaths and shit. We're just a bunch of people sharing a flat that happens to be a flesh suit :P
@@ericraululyeetusdelyeetus5028 Thaaaat kinda depends. Sometimes they manifest personality traits seemingly totally different from those the host displays! It can be pretty wild.
@@ericraululyeetusdelyeetus5028 That does seem to often be the case, yes. But every system is different, even in regards to how separate from the host the alters are or want to be.
As soon as "10 distinct personalities" hit, the "Main Character Syndrome" was so obvious it's like she turned on a neon sign. I'd put money on the fact that even with the broken character she initially created, she definitely had a *"hidden 11th personality that was a vampire god"* that would crank the 'I can't die/take damage/or even lose minor arguments' all the way past max.
...This whole thing gave me flashbacks to my Changeling campaign that I just left. I wasn't the GM, but I definitely felt that frustration of trying to deal with someone who could not be wrong, ever, and ragged on by others because I was taking things seriously and trying to proceed with caution.
The entire video I was thinking “I bet she’s a YA author” I’m sure some YA authors are good people, but whenever I hear about female authors with the emotional maturity of a teenager they’re always writing books meant for teenagers
OP Did exactly the right thing with putting her foot down. If she tried to be "nice" Mary would have seen that as a sign of weakness and dug her heels in more
Talking over someone talking to the prince and then telling the prince that he is wrong (multiple times)? Well, from the few times I've dabbled into VTM (more of a dark age player really, so I know for sure that in DA, a reroll would have been necessary), happy things will not happen to that character, that's for sure.
At the very least, the Prince should’ve given Ministry a stern reminder that he was merciful enough to not only allow an anarch fledgling to live, but also put him with older vampires who can help guide him in his new life. And that mercy could easily be taken back. Mary is a new player, so that’d be a good first move to remind her that actions have consequences without straight-up killing her character.
The start of the story: Me: * is a published author with the first name of Mary * Me: oh no. Oh no. Oh no no no no. WHAT DID I DO??? Story: progresses Me: oh, thank crab. It's not about me.
Oh, one of my players have a mage with like 8 personalities, one for each school of magic and he has 8 sheets and everytime he gets unconcious he rolls a d8 to see wich personality awakes. This has led to many cool moments where he sleeps or gets knocked out and has to change personality and suddenly he had to change all his plans because his class skills changed
When I made my first dnd character, I thought about having multiple personalities, due to tragic backstory magic experimentation. Then I realized that it would be fun for me, but the other players would have to wonder and worry what personality they would have to deal with. So I just played up my character’s 6 wisdom and was very situationally unaware and easily persuaded
Oh my God...okay, my alarm bells went off the moment I heard 'author' and 'new gf'. Normally for my group if someone's interested in playing but they have no experience, we usually invite them to watch a session to let them have a feel for the game and see if they're interested. We had too many instances of stuff like Roger and Mary happening that made us go "are you kidding me" to where a player who had Main Character Syndrome got kicked after causing such a giant catastrophe that the GM had to backtrack to 8 sessions ago because of the insanity that happened. Don't even get me started on the gf who tried to get away with things because she was the gf of one of the players...
"Main character syndrome" also known as your basic narcissistic personality disorder. The gaslighting in the aftermath absolutely confirms it...poor Roger.
Just started the video and already I’m angry at the fact that they used “multiple personality disorder” with each alter having entirely different lives. No. That’s not how any of this works.
exactly! it's not even called MPD anymore. It's D.I.D, dissociative Identity disorder. One of the concrete rules of writing, be it fanfiction, one off headcanons, or *literally anything else:* If it's a serious topic, treat it as such. DO YOUR RESEARCH
@@genderenigma8276 from how the story presented it they were more like a gender dysphoria kinda deal in concept, with the various identities being all the same person and sharing interests, kinda like how I am. Instead from there it branched off into something completely different. Looking at it like D.I.D. it makes a little bit more sense but how it was presented was completely different from how it was applied
You need to work on getting your volume consistence my guy. Some videos I can hear you fine from my laptop, Videos like this it sounds like you are whispering and I need to hook up my headphones.
The "I want to play a character with MPD and detail each one" triggers me. I had a short campaign (it was cut short) with some randos, one of which was a girl who made a rogue specialized in disguise, and she utterly boasted at how detailed her dozen of different identities were. And she would switch between them constantly, even when not needed (city guards hailed us in without any hassle whatsoever, she started rolling Stealth and Disguise to change identity to fool the guards that...didn't even need to be fooled" Of course, every identity switch was accompanied by her going on with about 10-15 minutes of description and a skit detailing her "quirky" new personality, bogging down the game a ton.
Wow, this persons character reminds me of when I came up with a bunch of really bad character ideas to deliberately torment my DM. I can't believe they made such a character while being serious.
That's some nice emotional manipulation right there; Accusing other people while apologizing to them at the same time. Inconsistent flipping between positive and negative responses when they don't get their way is a key indicator of certain types of abusive persons. Though, I think it would be more fair to say though that it was an attention-seeking personality that led her to write YA fiction - which is based primarily around wish-fulfillment - rather than the other way around. A lot of people in my writer's group also play D&D, and they're generally not morons about since they understand the concept that when you play you're writing *a* character, not *the* character. Alas, ensemble casts and writing that doesn't focus on the needs and desires of a single overly-important teenager are not compatible with lower-tier YA fiction.
Yup very emotionally manipulative, also not taking full responsibility for your emotions/actions The flipping back and forth made us giggle a bit, as in the joke being that she's switching between headmates herself or something. But highly doubt that, or she'd understand plurality a bit more. Nah just a very toxic person all round really
Self-publishing is also a thing. I might be impressed if your book ends up on the Bestseller list. But only a little because crap books have made it on there, too.
@@sukaisage LOL It's the other way around, but I feel that comment XD (arguably Twilight is less boring than 50 shades... But 50 sahes was a fanfic of Twilight originally XD)
@@sukaisage Other way round my dude, 50 shades started as a twilight fanfic. But even if both series have technically been very successful.... it doesn't automatically make them good.
"She knew nothing about VTM so we made her the childe of the baron who immediately dies" NNNOOOOOOO that's such a chaotic and complex situation I'd only provide a knowledgeable player.
Nah, that would be a perfect setup for a sane player...one who knows how to step into someone else's universe and roll with it as they learn the ropes. Anything they don't know, well, the Baron didn't bother telling them. It's the perfect excuse for a character to ask questions. Of course, you need a player humble enough to know what the purpose of "asking questions" is....
I've done a lot of forum rps back in the day, and this is a pretty common problem. "Writers" get caught up in their own story and refuse to accept that you need to play with other people, which involves some nerfs and sometimes scrapping cool ideas that don't work in co-op. I've had to teach a lot of internet middle schoolers to varying degrees and results ...
That burp sounded so painful! If that happens all the time, you may need to get that looked at. Not being funny. I had that along with vomiting and turned out to be very bad GERD. Anyways, I go back to the story now. Hope you're okay!
If you wanna be a main character then do what I did: 1. RP via private chat with GM. 2. RP smart. 3. RP in a group of idiots. And then the game ended when some creep tried to mind control my character into kissing. But me and the GM became long-time friends. ^_^
As a wannabe writer who's super passionate about making OCs and even wanting to play a legit DND campaign someday. I really feel bad seeing people like Mary give people like me such a bad name. When roleplaying and playing a game. It should always be about the collective and never about one person. Unless it's a special occasion or something. When you play DND, both a game and roleplaying, it's absolutely necessary to work together with the group or there won't be nearly as much fun. Everyone at that point is the main character. The fact that so many people can't grasp this concept is one of the many things that really makes me question the intelligence of us humans.
Being a YA published author's not really the achievement this person seems to think it is, especially with just how wide that genre is, with most of it being mid level. I've read oneshot fanfics that flowed better and were more entertaining than a good number of YA books. Also being a good storyteller doesn't necessarily make you a great roleplayer, because one is you writing out the whole plot on your own with help from editors or beta readers and the other is almost purely collaborative. If you don't wanna be reasonably flexible or letting other people's talents shine, you're better off not doing it.
Halfway in and its already sounding like this person became a "published author" because she felt that what she had to say was *so* important and impactful that it would be a crime not to share the brilliance of her self insert- I mean her mary su- I mean of her creative and original characters.
This story sent me binge watching LA by Night, and even if there is a lot of sniffing from Anabelle, they are rather good material in order to learn about VTM roleplay... And for people like me, a good overview of the changes VtM went through since second edition. Good material, I recommand.
Multiple personalities? I had a mutagen alchemist with two personalities, and it wasn't so ba- Ten? She wanted ten?! Oh, lord, there is not enough time at the table for ten!
Me: Why’re you playing vampire the masquerade in 5e? Just play the official system Also me: why do I have to learn this new system for *insert any TTRPG system here*, can’t we just convert it to 5e?
As a published YA author myself and forever DM, I can say that most of my skills with novel writing went straight out the window when I started GMing. Very different skill sets...
"I'm a published author" that is meaningless in today's world. I could string together 100 pages of random words, self publish on Amazon and probably even make a handful of sales.
I do RP. I'm not a published author, but I've tried my hand at it a few times. When writing stuff for a group setting you're not writing the main plot. You're writing part of a plot/adventure. It won't always be part of the main thread, but honestly... trying to force the story down a set path will lead to people feeling left out or what have you. You're not writing everything because people are there with you, people that want to add to the world you're all crafting together. When writing a story as an author would. You're pretty much writing everything. Everything is about your character's and storyline since the only people interacting with the world you've created in that scenario is you.
Oh god, "Main Character Syndrome" can be so hard to talk someone down from. I had to play with someone like that for a few months. Refused to follow the group, but still inserted themselves into every scene, "from somewhere in the trees, so you can't find them". Disliked that they couldn't be a hugely successful and overpowered character at level 3, "my stats should be way higher than that, given my backstory". And made odd choices in battle and role play that the rest of the party questioned, and then got angry when the GM didn't understand what they were attempting to do while refusing to explain themselves, and occasionally rolling badly, "you're being unfair, that should have totally worked. You don't know how to run the game". They write a lot of fanfiction, so the hardest part for them was having to share the world and the narrative with other people. They don't control everything, and they hated it.
what Mary does is called *gaslighting*. she's a manipulative abuser and Rodger is either going to end up being miserable and abused or maybe he'll end up leaving her. really hope it's the second one.
Yup, especially if she's twisting the story Definitely at least toxir emotional manipulation. And pussywhipping Rodger too. Hope he gets out of that safely
Hi, somebody with DiD (a multiple personality disorder) here! A huge red flag was that she treated DiD (im assuming at least, since they only said "a multiple personality disorder" and DiD is the one i know best so thats what im going with) like it was a "one side of me is a blunt, edgy antihero and the other side of me is a fabulous qween thats all about #flowerpower". Although, the seperate person thing is true, i would reference another systemate by their name, pronouns, etc not as myself.
MPD was renamed DID in 1994, some disorder although the criteria has changed over time Singulars/non-plurals can have different sides to them, but it's not the same as different headmates in a plural system yeah And yeah names, pronouns, and personhood should always be respected for every member of a system
"I have nothing against authors..." (proceeds to lay a bunch of negative connotations at the feet of "so many authors") Do you want highly descriptive feasts centered around platters of crab legs? Because this is how you get highly descriptive feasts centered around platters of crab legs.
It almost certainly comes down to overcompensating for a severe lack of self-confidence. I imagine this girl did not have too many friends growing up but coped with that by hoping that someday she would become a renowned author (since reading YA books was likely an escape from her reality.) Since this is what she has latched on to give her a sense of self-worth, any perceived slight against her creativity will result in these unpleasant incidents. I've seen this with people before. They place their worth in their art/writing/music, so any criticism of it becomes a personal attack upon them because their identity is so integrally linked with their products. Unfortunately, these people may get some limited success (because they do invest a lot of energy and time into their work as can be seen by Mary's detailed backstory documents) but they will never reach the level they have aspired to specifically because they can't handle criticism and so find it much harder to improve their skills.
...It's not MPD, dearie, it's DID. Dissociative Identity Disorder. When RPing or writing or doing *anything* regarding illnesses, disorders, or any real problem, do your effin research.
Personally, I'm never surprised when VtM brings out the narcissists. I mean, vampires by their nature are arrogance and narcissism incarnate, so it kinda comes with the territory. Plus, it's vampires in trenchcoats and shades and secret underground wars, like Underworld and the Matrix got in a threesome with Supernatural and now they can't tell who's kid it is. It's basically like playing the world's edgiest fanfic
Okay so, I do have a character for D&D 5e that has ten personalities kinda, BUT I went to lengths to make it clear that it wasn't a mental disorder or anything that would play into pseudoscience (the character didn't have multiple personalities, but was possessed by ten fiends of unknown origin at the same time ever since a ritual gone bad), and they DEFINITELY didn't all have "separate social ties" or whatnot. They were done so that the DM could use them and their unknown origin as part of a grander plot, and to work with my class choice (bard/Echo Knight multiclass) to explain why she's such a jack of all trades in that way bards are. There also wasn't a whole lot of not knowing which ones were trustworthy because they acted more like familiars than equal personas, and were completely under control and loyal to her.
So as an avid reader of various different levels of fiction ranging from novels designed for pre-teen audiences, to YA, and adult fiction; I will say YA literature has reached a stagnant point. Too many authors shove points like sexuality, mental health, and gender identity into their novels. While this can be an interesting aspect of a character, it suffers when the author attempts to force story significance on those subjects. ex: if character A in a transgender, the author will highlight that multiple times despite the fact it has nothing to do with the arcane device about to blow up the galaxy cause some evil villain hates life so much because they killed his puppy or something (though honestly if a galaxy killed my puppy I'd hate the galaxy as well). My point being too often "authors" like to make these aspects of a character a centralized theme of their story, but then write a story in which it poorly applies those themes, or a story where those themes don't interact as a part of the plot or sub-plot. This causes the character's highlighted aspect to feel intrusive; when a chapter is devoted to exploring that part of them the reader is often filled with the thoughts of that monty python scene of everyone saying "Get On With It" which makes the character less likeable because they aren't pushing the story forward, they are exploring something that doesn't interact with the plot. Sorry for the wall of text, this is just a pattern I notice in a lot of new YA books that seemed relevant to the story. If anything I said doesn't make sense I apologize.
*LARGE SCALE DOESNT MAKE A GOOD STORY!* Thats something ive noticed a lot of a YA writters fail at. Zaving the world sounds cool, but stakes and story are personal, theres a reason books like All quite on the Western Front, Lord of the Flies, Swiss Family Robinson and Don Quijote are such good books, their personal stories. Yes, theres a deeper theme in them, but theres still a very personal and very engaging drama. The end of the Universe doesny require personal drama, because at thar scale theres NO ONE that would have persobal stakes greater than saving the universe.
I’m writing an Octopath Traveler based in and formatted like campaign. So it’ll be hard for anyone to act like a main character as we’re dividing up the spotlight by one character per “chapter” and there are eight characters, each with 4 chapters
this was a great start to the day! Being plural and hearing mpd in Quotes :) i mean its not even called mpd anymore but Yeeeaaah im gonna go watch some other shit
Agreed. Some are advocating for the character to be killed outright, but I’d give the benefit of the doubt and just give a reminder of “your actions have consequences and if you keep this up it will lead to bad things.”
I mean maybe? That's also how you get railroading and DMs mad you didn't "follow the plot" they were trying to write, and one of the most commons criticisms for bad DMs is "Write a book then! I'd read your story (or not), but we're playing a game together."
I don't mind being railroaded. Especially if they're something of an odd duck. Though doing so in VtM or similarly RP heavy systems would get old quick.
Some are. I had a storyteller (Yes, another WW game!) who was an "author" (probably like Mary was) who not only made a DMPC but pretty much railroaded the players. She'd sulk for days and have the NPCs turn on any character whose players pushed back with the "UM, no. My character wouldl not react that way to X NPC/ walk over and do that/ fulfill your creepy little fantasy)." Yeah. Dropped that game pretty quick. Have had GMs who were publishsed authors who were great because they understood they weren't writing a novel with the PCs as their characters.
I admit to confuse my first day changeling character in a LARP that ran( with 30 players+) for four years as a "main character" even having me lead a story arc. My character died heroically going out in a blaze of glory closing the arc but the reality kicked in. The story continued without my character. I didn't have the heart to build a new one so I retired from this game and realized that we are all main characters and the story will continue and not end with you.
YEESH. That manipulation was strong. Having to deal with a person like that will always be so annoying and troublesome especially if it's evident that they're not willing to change for the better.
Fun fact: I'm a crab lol
Bet
What?! I thought you were a shrimp!
is lobster friend?
Wait, you are?
Wait wait, I thought you were a crawfish
A "Published Author" doesn't equal a "Good Author".
Case in point: Twilight
@@OtepRalloma case point: 50 Shades of Gray.
As a published author, can confirm. 🤣
To paraphrase a famous space wizard: "The ability to write does not make you an intellectual."
The ability to communicate through written text does not require you to have a large amount of brain cells.
Mary assuming both that Ministry both had the Baron under their dominatrix boot, that they were a luxury escort AND that they were abused by said Baron and not okay with that has me worrying about the quality of her novels' characters' writing...
yeah, that totallyy confused me. She wanted to be te victim, the hero and the bad guy...
like, wut?
@@cesargeney5268 Probably a 50 Shades fan.
Isn’t dominatrix a female-only term?
@@akiraeatsguitarpicks491 Yea, the male version is Dominator. Just a little bit of useless trivia lol.
I feel like it would’ve been better if the author just made her character a self-important dingbat who likes acts like his status in society is way higher than it really is. This would’ve made a much more interesting character.
Ok so as a DM:
Separate personalities? Cool
10 of them? Doable. Little much but doable.
Each with their own contacts? Dear God no.
I mean vtm isnt a stranger to characters with mental disorders
Hell theres a whole clan thats basically "they're all coocoo for cocoa puffs"
But even they have some limits
Have a friend who one time played a changeling with a multiple personality disorder in pathfinder. The concept is really good, but it only works if the player can execute it well.
Thankfully hers was well done
I'd personally already say "no" to ten personalities, especially for a player who's never RP'd with a group in this manner before. Even if they are super-amazing at maintaining it, the sheer information amount needed for the character is absurd. As in, if the personalities have different hobbies, areas of interest, etc. (or in other words, are more than stereotypes), it'd mean maintaining ten different character stories, world info, and whatnot.
Heck, I'd even suggest "no" to a complex character with 50 NPC backstories in general for first-timers for sheer amount of info needed to maintain.
@@Elhvir I had a player who had one personality for each alignment.
Edit: Whoops, sent that way early. I meant to also say that I guess that's why I don't have a problem cause she rp'd it very well and it was her first time to my knowledge. Maybe she had other rp experience but she said she was new to D&D. Her character was probably my favorite from that campaign.
Honestly when she said 10 personalities with separate contacts I was expecting her to add "and each one is a different clan!"
What a *“Published Author”* , only a *”Published Author”* would pull such a *”Published Author”* move
Truly disgusting that at "published author" would do such a horrible thing.
This is unironically how I imagine the average YA author
It is double-sad because I've RP'd with people who have published actual books on bigger names. Not much hardcopy selling, mostly digital, but at least I can say "some of people here might've read their book".
And that friend? Oh boy, she literally played her character to support other plots first, and then wove her story to link in with those plots. As in, she wrote a good STORY with all of us, not just a good CHARACTER.
That's the problem. The author thinks she's writing a book, not playing with other people.
@@Elhvir Ohh, that sounds fantastic. She sounds like a good character writer too, I hope to stumble on her work someday.
i had a 'Main Character Syndrome' where the player was always trying to out do anyone in the party, so the DM finally put him in his place by presenting him with a player level 20 item at level 2, and when the guy tried to claim it, he failed the wisdom check and what would cause a level 20 barbarian barely a scratch to his health, instant KO'ed his character, so thinking he learned his lesson, the healer of the group revived him, and instead of realizing what he did was wrong, HE ATTEMPTED TO CLAIM THE ITEM AGAIN, and instant KO'ed himself again, when it happend this time he accused the GM he was targeting him cause he was envious of him and all of us were just his sidekicks and didnt need him, well as the owner of the Discord we were using i band him from the group, and to this day anytime one of us were to say something stupid we would say "Dont be a Piano" (his character name)
“Be more like Piccolo”
@@ill_hex8103 for a second I forgot that's a real instrument and not just a DBZ character 😂
His name was...Piano.....
@@doms.6701 DOOOOOODGE
was that before or after everyone clapped?
Pre watching: Players who are bad narratively don't usually mess everything up in RPGs since there's so much combat you can roll back on. How bad could this be?
"So we're playing Vampire 5e"
OH NOOOOOOOO
You were saying?
Meh I dunno man, I kinda like the more loose mechanics of v5 and the larger focus on coterie cohesion and slipping humanity. That being said my "perfect" VtM edition would be a mix between v20 and v5 I think - taking most of the mechanical stuff from v20, adding the lore you want from "nWoD" (and discarding the shit you don't want) while having a heavy focus on the coterie, their slipping humanity and their touchstones (along with a solid relationship map) :)
@@Micras08 Yes, but when the player is absolutely god awful at roleplaying, an entire game that is essentially just roleplaying is going to suck with that person.
@@bestaround3323 Oh for sure, I've actually had that problem myself when v5 first rolled around; my group kinda slept on how RP heavy v5 expect things to be and our first attempt collapsed ^^
I don’t know shit about Vampire 5e, can someone explain this comment to me lol
Published author that wrote Young Adult Novels?
*Do you have any idea how little that narrows it down?*
Like a drop of water in the Pacific Ocean
YA is a metastasized tumor of a genre at this point.
@@astaraelsget Which really suck because I actually like YA novels when they're written well.
Okay, so we either have a trash writer, or a semi popular trash writer, got it.
Yes, this is a joke. But so much of the YA genera is crap. They just knock off the big names.
For you, the day you released your young adult novel was the most important day of your life. But for everyone else, it was Tuesday.
Did this "author" not realize that posting DeviantArt fanfiction doesn't count as being published?
Nice one
Brutal
Boom Headshoot!
Ouch
Shots fired
This girl's book were probably as good as onision's books lmao
Damn didn’t expect this type of comment on a D&D video but yeah fuck Onision
Hey! ...That's insulting Onision, this shit blows
Goddammit, I forgot about those.
Thanks for bringing those memories back.
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Getting published aint hard. Technically i was a published author at the age of 16, when my school had a book printed by Penguin Publishers with poems and short stories written by students (that the school made a couple hundred thousand on, and used to fund a faculty party/vacation, without giving any to the students who actually wrote the material)
That sounds like a lawsuit
@@theeye8276 It was tried. "the works of the students, belong to the school, from the moment they are entered into a school computer'.
shit held up in court. Kids stopped writing or doing art using school provided supplies. School lost a huge amount of income from the annual art and writing fair, where students would sell their artwork or writings, with 50% of the profit going to the schools various programs, because the kids didnt want their works being stolen.
@@dreamwolf7302 That sounds like my old school. Only justice was served
I was a published author in like 4th grade when we had some after school activity thing where we wrote a book and got it published lmao. I read it recently and it’s so fucking awful but simultaneously hilarious because of how awful it is. Being published doesn’t mean shit lol.
@@dreamwolf7302 Yeah that's the same rules employers like game companies use. Its bullshit, but its legal.
"cringy YA novels"
Aaaand that explains it.
What exactly is YA in this context?
@@ulvemann43 Young adult. Means aimed at mid-teens.
@@ulvemann43 think about divergent and hunger games. Those are YA novels.
There’s a prevalent stereotype about how people who write YA are dumb cliche love obsessed freaks with Mary Sue protagonists and love triangles. Which some of them are, but just as many adult novels are like that too. Sturgeon’s law knows neither genre nor target audience.
@@nomisunrider6472 There's also plenty of good YA novels. Its just after Twilight and Hunger Games became popular the market got flooded with knockoffs trying to be the next one of them. Which doesn't go well.
'We'll call her Mary, you'll see why later'
Me, who reads fanfic: Oh, no, not a Mary Sue...
That was my exact reaction, word for word.
You don't even need to read it to get that clue. Though personally I'm pretty iffy about Mary Sue being used as a criticism because it tends to get thrown around willy nilly, in this case that does look like what she was going for.
@@shadenox8164 I just mentioned because that was how I was introduced to the word. Was also unaware that it was over/misused, am not heavily involved in that side of fandom.
@@allatronnone587 not really as it can also just be anyone who has the power system bend to there will, have everyone like them for no reason, succeed at everything they try, etc
@@allatronnone587 ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification.
I now want a crossover between CritCrab & Terrible Writing Advice
We need to make this happen rofl.
Yes.
Unless we get something like with JoCat...
yes
The love triangle
> YA "author."
> "Mary."
> Vampire: The Masquerade.
Oh God, here we go...
...and we certainly went there!
Big reminder: There's a distinct difference between being self published, which anyone can do no matter how bad, and being published, which requires a publishing company to read and edit the work
But those too can also be bad.
Yeah… there’s great self-published books, bad trad-published books and a lot of gray areas involving vanity publishing & such.
Here is my hot take. Writing and publishing books doesn't mean you have a talent as an author. It only means that you are able to put many words on many pages and sell it in book form.
How is that a hot take? At all?
@@littlemoth4956 considering the internet everything can be a hot take. And I know serveral wanna be authors personally who consider my opinion in that regard as "toxic"
@@Selnathornyep I can immediately think of a perfect example lol
Is it me or does World of Darkness have a habit of drawing out the worst of the cringe players, or at least the most arrogant?
I figured that's what it was for lol
Eh, I play World of Darkness regularly but it kinda depends? You have some folks who are cringe but you do find some who are excellent role-players.
@@strategicarchitect869 yeah it is really the extremes. I get either the best or then worst that RPGs offer when I am storytelling in WoD
White Wolf games in general I think get this duality. Partly because there are really flexible rules so you can do things that in normal DnD or Pathfinder wouldn't be possible. On the flip side, there are really flexible rules so the assholes can take things off the rails REAL fast unless the GM is right there pumping the breaks.
WOD larps were the weirdest. Everything was wrong with them and they got super cliquey.
'Ten personalities' .
That was your red flag there. I'm almost disappointed the campaign never got off the ground- I'm sure it would have been hilarious.
I wonder what Ministry's cringy one liners would be like?
Idk why everyone wants to main character being a supporting character can be really fun
You can die and give the other characters development!
@@ryokiritani4187 or not die and give them the cool stuff to beat the bad guy!
FR. I’m a life cleric in my current campaign and I’m loving it.
Why be a supporting character when you can be a villain!
I look at it like an ensemble cast. Look at the first Avengers movie: everyone gets their time to shine, without any one of them stealing the spotlight wholesale.
As someone who has written and published books, i gotta say I can respect the hustle and struggle that comes with writing. If you do it right, you're going to be doing A LOT.
But the problem with people like Mary is that they think being a story teller= being a good /desired player, when clearly she was not.
Dnd is a cooperative game, and if someone is trying to steal the spotlight/ take over, no one is going to be having fun.
I honestly thought she was being egotistical. I mean, I haven’t officially published any stories but I did write a short story for a program I was in a few years ago. It was basically a reference to Taken except instead of having the character threaten to kill someone, they threaten to be very good at convincing the caller to buy a car, that said caller doesn’t need, for a higher price than it’s worth.
Wouldnt it be better if she was a dm?
@@zednopercent8994 no bc that's when DMPCs happen
@@OtepRalloma still, she can possibly be a good dm. And ima not assume that she will just create a dmpc.
Also i dont think shes really that back considering shes a new player and new players will want to be the main character of a rp.
@@zednopercent8994 maybe, one can hope for the best i guess, but since we don't know her, that's probably gonna be a mystery forever
Poor Lilly, you don’t use water to put out a grease fire.
Yeah, you have to smother them. I mean, it.
More like using grease to put out a water fire.
And it probably takes effort to light water on fire.
@@gavind351 This was like electrocuting the water and then tossing a match in it.
That causes an explosion.
"I'm a published author!" Yeah, so was Hitler, look how he turned out.
0_o
Zero to a hundred REAL fucking quick!
I'm not sure Hitler get's judged for his writing ability. There are other things to focus on
@@theomegajuice8660 yeah, his art was kind of dark for the era i think
@@ryokiritani4187 I feel his paintings are just a bit empty and look like they're perpetually out of focus. Not terrible by any means, but nothing worth seeking out.
Easy solution to playing multiple personalities she would be part of the malkavian clan. There is a reason why no one wants to deal with that clan.
now that would involve caring about the lore
There's a lot to unpack here, but the first red flag should have been the multiple personality concept for someone who has no roleplaying experience whatsoever, the GM should have urged them to go with a simpler concept for their first character at least. This has nothing to do with limiting someone's creativity, it's important to protect newbies from overly ambitious self destruction.
The second red flag is the quite obvious main-character-syndrome with the Mary Sue character sheet and the expectation that each and every character player controlled or NPC has to follow their every whim, there's not much one can do about it, but talk out of game to reinforce the idea that it's supposed to be cooperative story telling and kick them from the game if they're not willing to adapt.
The final nail in the coffin are the lore changes they made without consulting the GM first. Many GM's will gladly help you flesh out your backstory, but it's just offensive towards the GM to make up plot points without their knowledge or consent.
I understand that it can be difficult to go from having full creative control as an author to get in this cooperative mindset, especially if it comes from a place of sheltered fanfiction writing, that is mainly written to fulfill the authors fantasies and desires.
"For starters, this horror story is centered around a Vampire: The Masquerade 5ED Campaign."
Me: "Oh, here it comes..."
You know you're in for a treat the moment someone mentions Vampire: The Masquerade.
@@vsGoliath96 I'm a massive fan of Vampire, been since I first heard of it from VtMB when I played it in 2007. But uhhh.... Yeah. You seem to get the worst sorts in the game, especially since V5 came out and repopularized it. Two of my worst horror stories come from V5 lmao
@@birdmandan9456 I don't know much about it, but it seems like the kind of game that would attract the edgy teenagers who think DND is two mainstream. Not to diss the game itself, of course, just those kinds of player.
@@akl2k7 you're right, of course, but it also has a deep, fascinating lore and the *good* games tend to revolve around byzantine political schemes and discussions of morality, class, and individual accountability. So you've gotta be careful, might end up with a great game, might end up with stuff like in this story and worse.
@@akl2k7 Unfortunately every game can draw out a bad crowd, kinda like DND and Murder Hobos D:. But yeah, it can draw out some edgelords.
I feel like there's a good chance Roger was the one who dropped the ball the worst on this one. He probably didn't set realistic expectations for what the entire game was going to be in the first place, to make it sound more appealing. It becomes especially obvious when you remember that Roger "gave her pointers" before session 0 and she still ended up with a completely broken and unreasonable character.
After all, let's not forget that Mary is a new player and even with OP giving good feedback and trying to establish boundaries - if Roger simply keeps undermining these efforts back at home (and on car rides) there will obviously be trouble.
DM "Here are the rules for creating a character".
Mary: "Here's my character sheet".
DM: "You've obviously not followed the rules, that's called cheating".
Mary: "My character concept requires these abilities".
DM: "If your character concept requires you to cheat, it's not a valid character concept (for this game)".
Mary: "Why are you being such a dick?"
DM: "I'm being a Dick for expecting you not to cheat?"
Mary: "If my character can't be the main character then I'm not going to grace you with my presence".
DM: "This isn't an airport, you don't have to announce your departure. Buh, Bye".
Being an author requires some humility. You are smaller than what you create. You are unimportant, people will appreciate your work not you. So no, this kind of bullshit shouldn't be a writers identification ticket. Yes, some became the face of a genre, like King, Poe, Marquez, etc. But still, we read their work.
As a novice author I think the biggest difference between writing and playing D&D is that when you are doing your own business in art, it's your business. People can suggest things, but at the end, you are the author. You do what your little heart desires.
But in TTRPGs, you have a group, a DM, a lot of other folk. They have their own ideas and goals. Creative vision doesn't narrows down to one person.
But there are some benefits of being an author. As a DM, you can make kickass hooks, understands the proper working of a good story better. As a player, you can make your characters beefy and full of life (and butcher it in an istance if you have my acting skills :DDDD). You just have to learn how to implement these things into a game.
So yeah, fellow writers and whatnot: please learn to cooperate. Let's show the world that not all of us have our heads so deep inside our asses, that we can implode at any time.
writer out here. Thanks for your true words.
"YA author" I don't need to know more, to see where this is going.
whats that anyway
@@thebiglich YA = young adult. It's a genre including books like: hunger games, harry potter, maze runner and other bocus, heavily focussing on characters in the ages 14 to 20. Most stories have the main character as the most important person in the world, with usually very stupid and evil government organizations as their enemies.
At least the examples you listed are good books. Most of them are shit though like the travesty that is Divergent
@@Okami_HD
Popular =/= good
@@OrangeyChocolate I don't like this =/= Bad
when i heard at the end that roger was running a campaign with her as a player i immediately had flashbacks to the story critcrab did where the dm let his girlfriend walk all over the party
As someone who once attempted to write a novel, I can respect someone getting it published. But with my experience playing and even dming D&D games it's a whole different ride. The world isn't your playground it's the whole party's and you need to work together. I'd suggest for any authors or would be authors to attempt dming first but make sure the spotlight is fully on the party. No one likes a Mary Sue.
Bro, you can publish your book on Amazon by yourself for a few bucks and call yourself "published." (Source: am also writer who researched self-publishing and got overwhelmed with the amount of trash on Amazon Kindle)
@@mikkurzhal7390 By get it published I do mean get it finished to get to that point. I never finished what I was working on.
@@braydenhockley5224 I think he is implying she was self-published which was likely the case.
Honestly, if you ask me the first red flag was wanting to play a character with did with what looks like no research other than the steriotypes in media. She might have done some research but she gives of that kind of vibe
Most people want to play a plural character to play off those tropes/stereotypes sadly, and they're all so so wrong. Like we're not dangerous or "evil" or psychopaths and shit.
We're just a bunch of people sharing a flat that happens to be a flesh suit :P
@@WolfgangDoW but aren't alters mere *parts* of the person that have their traits exaggerated as to compensate for a past trauma?
@@ericraululyeetusdelyeetus5028 Thaaaat kinda depends. Sometimes they manifest personality traits seemingly totally different from those the host displays! It can be pretty wild.
@@FlameUser64 perhaps as a response to a certain situation in which the alter is needed?
@@ericraululyeetusdelyeetus5028 That does seem to often be the case, yes. But every system is different, even in regards to how separate from the host the alters are or want to be.
As soon as "10 distinct personalities" hit, the "Main Character Syndrome" was so obvious it's like she turned on a neon sign. I'd put money on the fact that even with the broken character she initially created, she definitely had a *"hidden 11th personality that was a vampire god"* that would crank the 'I can't die/take damage/or even lose minor arguments' all the way past max.
"Roger's Girlfriend who we'll call Mary, and she's the author, don't worry, it'll make sense later."
Me: Ha, she's a Mary Sue
Exactly what I thought.
...This whole thing gave me flashbacks to my Changeling campaign that I just left. I wasn't the GM, but I definitely felt that frustration of trying to deal with someone who could not be wrong, ever, and ragged on by others because I was taking things seriously and trying to proceed with caution.
The entire video I was thinking “I bet she’s a YA author”
I’m sure some YA authors are good people, but whenever I hear about female authors with the emotional maturity of a teenager they’re always writing books meant for teenagers
Sadly there's a lot of people wanting to write the next Hunger Games or Twilight who also call 50 Shades one of their favourite books.
What is it with pretentious people and table top games involving vampires
Apparently pretentious writers don't know how to effectively use vampires in plot.
@@awkwardfreak3109 thats how you end up with sparkly skin and falling in love with newborns and venom penises
Yeah that's all in twilight....
@@mrroboshadow Wait, venom penises???
@@JohnDoe-fg4xe
Yes, I think Dominic Noble made videos on Twilight series. And one of the video titles references the venom...THING. LOL.
@@DrawciaGleam02 This is why I am glad my overall knowledge of Twilight lore is almost 0
"Published Author" I'm a published author, but even as a self published author, I would never assume the universe in a game I'm playing in.
OP Did exactly the right thing with putting her foot down. If she tried to be "nice" Mary would have seen that as a sign of weakness and dug her heels in more
Dont know why i find the term "pretentious dweeb" so funny
The noise you made before the reverse gulp thing is so hilarious I can't stop replaying it.
I wouldn't be surprised if she was "published" by a vanity press (companies that you pay to publish your book rather than vice versa)
Talking over someone talking to the prince and then telling the prince that he is wrong (multiple times)? Well, from the few times I've dabbled into VTM (more of a dark age player really, so I know for sure that in DA, a reroll would have been necessary), happy things will not happen to that character, that's for sure.
Right?!?! She would have been either blood bound to the Prince or simply blood hunted.
"oh, what a beautiful sunrise today, wouldnt you agree?
At the very least, the Prince should’ve given Ministry a stern reminder that he was merciful enough to not only allow an anarch fledgling to live, but also put him with older vampires who can help guide him in his new life. And that mercy could easily be taken back.
Mary is a new player, so that’d be a good first move to remind her that actions have consequences without straight-up killing her character.
Her character would make my Malkavian character say "Damn. That's messed up." His pet petunia would agree.
I joined when you had 90kish, how time passes! I remember when you had a game in the background before you had the beach.
Man, that made me want to get that D&D arcade game
And CritCrab is also the reason I downloaded Neverwinter
Hey, if onision could get his shit published then so could anyone
Indeed. The truth hurts.
The start of the story:
Me: * is a published author with the first name of Mary *
Me: oh no. Oh no. Oh no no no no. WHAT DID I DO???
Story: progresses
Me: oh, thank crab. It's not about me.
I'm going out on a limb and saying that she's the writer of Handbook for Mortals
Oh, one of my players have a mage with like 8 personalities, one for each school of magic and he has 8 sheets and everytime he gets unconcious he rolls a d8 to see wich personality awakes. This has led to many cool moments where he sleeps or gets knocked out and has to change personality and suddenly he had to change all his plans because his class skills changed
Now that’s an actually interesting way of playing that’s not OP.
You gotta love a professional youtuber, Critcrab burps and keeps it in the vid despite all the chances to remove it.
Class act!
When I made my first dnd character, I thought about having multiple personalities, due to tragic backstory magic experimentation. Then I realized that it would be fun for me, but the other players would have to wonder and worry what personality they would have to deal with. So I just played up my character’s 6 wisdom and was very situationally unaware and easily persuaded
Oh my God...okay, my alarm bells went off the moment I heard 'author' and 'new gf'. Normally for my group if someone's interested in playing but they have no experience, we usually invite them to watch a session to let them have a feel for the game and see if they're interested. We had too many instances of stuff like Roger and Mary happening that made us go "are you kidding me" to where a player who had Main Character Syndrome got kicked after causing such a giant catastrophe that the GM had to backtrack to 8 sessions ago because of the insanity that happened.
Don't even get me started on the gf who tried to get away with things because she was the gf of one of the players...
Did she really just call the cast of LA By Night ‘Bad amateur actors’!? I have made a note😑🦇
Storyteller Jason Carl literally works for White Wolf lol
"Main character syndrome" also known as your basic narcissistic personality disorder. The gaslighting in the aftermath absolutely confirms it...poor Roger.
Just started the video and already I’m angry at the fact that they used “multiple personality disorder” with each alter having entirely different lives. No. That’s not how any of this works.
Same goes for the different gender identities...
Kinda insulting if you ask me😒
@@theitalianpaleogirl9243 alters can be different genders or gender identities, it actually does happen in D.I.D.
exactly! it's not even called MPD anymore. It's D.I.D, dissociative Identity disorder. One of the concrete rules of writing, be it fanfiction, one off headcanons, or *literally anything else:*
If it's a serious topic, treat it as such. DO YOUR RESEARCH
@@genderenigma8276 from how the story presented it they were more like a gender dysphoria kinda deal in concept, with the various identities being all the same person and sharing interests, kinda like how I am.
Instead from there it branched off into something completely different.
Looking at it like D.I.D. it makes a little bit more sense but how it was presented was completely different from how it was applied
Gotta love media tropes and stereotypes misrepresentating plural systems
Imagine being a Lasombra and allowing someone to get away with talking over you.
Couldn't be me.
"And now I'm hurting"
Same bro
That's why I evolved to crab
You need to work on getting your volume consistence my guy. Some videos I can hear you fine from my laptop, Videos like this it sounds like you are whispering and I need to hook up my headphones.
+1
Yeah this video was so fucking quiet!
I love VtM it is my favorite TTRPG, but man VtM horror stories are always the worst.
The "I want to play a character with MPD and detail each one" triggers me. I had a short campaign (it was cut short) with some randos, one of which was a girl who made a rogue specialized in disguise, and she utterly boasted at how detailed her dozen of different identities were. And she would switch between them constantly, even when not needed (city guards hailed us in without any hassle whatsoever, she started rolling Stealth and Disguise to change identity to fool the guards that...didn't even need to be fooled"
Of course, every identity switch was accompanied by her going on with about 10-15 minutes of description and a skit detailing her "quirky" new personality, bogging down the game a ton.
Wow, this persons character reminds me of when I came up with a bunch of really bad character ideas to deliberately torment my DM. I can't believe they made such a character while being serious.
That's some nice emotional manipulation right there; Accusing other people while apologizing to them at the same time.
Inconsistent flipping between positive and negative responses when they don't get their way is a key indicator of certain types of abusive persons.
Though, I think it would be more fair to say though that it was an attention-seeking personality that led her to write YA fiction - which is based primarily around wish-fulfillment - rather than the other way around.
A lot of people in my writer's group also play D&D, and they're generally not morons about since they understand the concept that when you play you're writing *a* character, not *the* character. Alas, ensemble casts and writing that doesn't focus on the needs and desires of a single overly-important teenager are not compatible with lower-tier YA fiction.
Yup very emotionally manipulative, also not taking full responsibility for your emotions/actions
The flipping back and forth made us giggle a bit, as in the joke being that she's switching between headmates herself or something. But highly doubt that, or she'd understand plurality a bit more. Nah just a very toxic person all round really
Getting work published is really not that difficult or impressive.. After all, Twilight got published.
Self-publishing is also a thing.
I might be impressed if your book ends up on the Bestseller list. But only a little because crap books have made it on there, too.
Isn’t twilight literally a 50 shades fanfic?? And it got several sequels and movies? Okay
@@sukaisage LOL It's the other way around, but I feel that comment XD (arguably Twilight is less boring than 50 shades... But 50 sahes was a fanfic of Twilight originally XD)
@@sukaisage other way around
50 shades is twilight fanfic
@@sukaisage Other way round my dude, 50 shades started as a twilight fanfic. But even if both series have technically been very successful.... it doesn't automatically make them good.
"She knew nothing about VTM so we made her the childe of the baron who immediately dies"
NNNOOOOOOO
that's such a chaotic and complex situation I'd only provide a knowledgeable player.
Nah, that would be a perfect setup for a sane player...one who knows how to step into someone else's universe and roll with it as they learn the ropes. Anything they don't know, well, the Baron didn't bother telling them. It's the perfect excuse for a character to ask questions.
Of course, you need a player humble enough to know what the purpose of "asking questions" is....
I've done a lot of forum rps back in the day, and this is a pretty common problem. "Writers" get caught up in their own story and refuse to accept that you need to play with other people, which involves some nerfs and sometimes scrapping cool ideas that don't work in co-op.
I've had to teach a lot of internet middle schoolers to varying degrees and results ...
She called the LA by Night crew amateurs? Wow.
That burp sounded so painful! If that happens all the time, you may need to get that looked at. Not being funny. I had that along with vomiting and turned out to be very bad GERD.
Anyways, I go back to the story now. Hope you're okay!
If you wanna be a main character then do what I did:
1. RP via private chat with GM.
2. RP smart.
3. RP in a group of idiots.
And then the game ended when some creep tried to mind control my character into kissing.
But me and the GM became long-time friends. ^_^
I was genuinely worried for Crab for a second there. Video cuts out with an "aaargh"
As a wannabe writer who's super passionate about making OCs and even wanting to play a legit DND campaign someday. I really feel bad seeing people like Mary give people like me such a bad name. When roleplaying and playing a game. It should always be about the collective and never about one person.
Unless it's a special occasion or something. When you play DND, both a game and roleplaying, it's absolutely necessary to work together with the group or there won't be nearly as much fun. Everyone at that point is the main character. The fact that so many people can't grasp this concept is one of the many things that really makes me question the intelligence of us humans.
Being a YA published author's not really the achievement this person seems to think it is, especially with just how wide that genre is, with most of it being mid level. I've read oneshot fanfics that flowed better and were more entertaining than a good number of YA books. Also being a good storyteller doesn't necessarily make you a great roleplayer, because one is you writing out the whole plot on your own with help from editors or beta readers and the other is almost purely collaborative. If you don't wanna be reasonably flexible or letting other people's talents shine, you're better off not doing it.
Halfway in and its already sounding like this person became a "published author" because she felt that what she had to say was *so* important and impactful that it would be a crime not to share the brilliance of her self insert- I mean her mary su- I mean of her creative and original characters.
This story sent me binge watching LA by Night, and even if there is a lot of sniffing from Anabelle, they are rather good material in order to learn about VTM roleplay... And for people like me, a good overview of the changes VtM went through since second edition.
Good material, I recommand.
Multiple personalities? I had a mutagen alchemist with two personalities, and it wasn't so ba- Ten? She wanted ten?! Oh, lord, there is not enough time at the table for ten!
three is the most one should try because you can have a main one with the others being a devil and angel on that character's shoulders.
Me: Why’re you playing vampire the masquerade in 5e? Just play the official system
Also me: why do I have to learn this new system for *insert any TTRPG system here*, can’t we just convert it to 5e?
At this point, 5e is becoming a GURP more than a D&D game
VtM is in its own fifth edition :)
As a published YA author myself and forever DM, I can say that most of my skills with novel writing went straight out the window when I started GMing. Very different skill sets...
"I'm a published author" that is meaningless in today's world. I could string together 100 pages of random words, self publish on Amazon and probably even make a handful of sales.
I do RP. I'm not a published author, but I've tried my hand at it a few times.
When writing stuff for a group setting you're not writing the main plot. You're writing part of a plot/adventure. It won't always be part of the main thread, but honestly... trying to force the story down a set path will lead to people feeling left out or what have you. You're not writing everything because people are there with you, people that want to add to the world you're all crafting together.
When writing a story as an author would. You're pretty much writing everything. Everything is about your character's and storyline since the only people interacting with the world you've created in that scenario is you.
This is sooo classic. I can recognize many of these things, from other games.
Oh god, "Main Character Syndrome" can be so hard to talk someone down from. I had to play with someone like that for a few months. Refused to follow the group, but still inserted themselves into every scene, "from somewhere in the trees, so you can't find them". Disliked that they couldn't be a hugely successful and overpowered character at level 3, "my stats should be way higher than that, given my backstory". And made odd choices in battle and role play that the rest of the party questioned, and then got angry when the GM didn't understand what they were attempting to do while refusing to explain themselves, and occasionally rolling badly, "you're being unfair, that should have totally worked. You don't know how to run the game". They write a lot of fanfiction, so the hardest part for them was having to share the world and the narrative with other people. They don't control everything, and they hated it.
I mean, fifth sorceress was traditionally published, so to me, “Published Author” doesn’t mean much…
what Mary does is called *gaslighting*. she's a manipulative abuser and Rodger is either going to end up being miserable and abused or maybe he'll end up leaving her. really hope it's the second one.
Yup, especially if she's twisting the story
Definitely at least toxir emotional manipulation. And pussywhipping Rodger too. Hope he gets out of that safely
Hi, somebody with DiD (a multiple personality disorder) here!
A huge red flag was that she treated DiD (im assuming at least, since they only said "a multiple personality disorder" and DiD is the one i know best so thats what im going with) like it was a "one side of me is a blunt, edgy antihero and the other side of me is a fabulous qween thats all about #flowerpower". Although, the seperate person thing is true, i would reference another systemate by their name, pronouns, etc not as myself.
MPD was renamed DID in 1994, some disorder although the criteria has changed over time
Singulars/non-plurals can have different sides to them, but it's not the same as different headmates in a plural system yeah
And yeah names, pronouns, and personhood should always be respected for every member of a system
"I have nothing against authors..."
(proceeds to lay a bunch of negative connotations at the feet of "so many authors")
Do you want highly descriptive feasts centered around platters of crab legs? Because this is how you get highly descriptive feasts centered around platters of crab legs.
"Author" Their published stuff is probably just DA fanfics
It almost certainly comes down to overcompensating for a severe lack of self-confidence. I imagine this girl did not have too many friends growing up but coped with that by hoping that someday she would become a renowned author (since reading YA books was likely an escape from her reality.) Since this is what she has latched on to give her a sense of self-worth, any perceived slight against her creativity will result in these unpleasant incidents. I've seen this with people before. They place their worth in their art/writing/music, so any criticism of it becomes a personal attack upon them because their identity is so integrally linked with their products. Unfortunately, these people may get some limited success (because they do invest a lot of energy and time into their work as can be seen by Mary's detailed backstory documents) but they will never reach the level they have aspired to specifically because they can't handle criticism and so find it much harder to improve their skills.
...It's not MPD, dearie, it's DID. Dissociative Identity Disorder. When RPing or writing or doing *anything* regarding illnesses, disorders, or any real problem, do your effin research.
“If you are a self published author, no you aren’t.”
Girl: My PG will be a drag queen with 10 personalities and it will be part of the ministery of
DM: Terrasque
Girl: What?
DM: Terrasque.
As a published author, I am sorry for this horrible person. Most writers would never act like this.
Personally, I'm never surprised when VtM brings out the narcissists. I mean, vampires by their nature are arrogance and narcissism incarnate, so it kinda comes with the territory.
Plus, it's vampires in trenchcoats and shades and secret underground wars, like Underworld and the Matrix got in a threesome with Supernatural and now they can't tell who's kid it is. It's basically like playing the world's edgiest fanfic
Okay so, I do have a character for D&D 5e that has ten personalities kinda, BUT I went to lengths to make it clear that it wasn't a mental disorder or anything that would play into pseudoscience (the character didn't have multiple personalities, but was possessed by ten fiends of unknown origin at the same time ever since a ritual gone bad), and they DEFINITELY didn't all have "separate social ties" or whatnot. They were done so that the DM could use them and their unknown origin as part of a grander plot, and to work with my class choice (bard/Echo Knight multiclass) to explain why she's such a jack of all trades in that way bards are. There also wasn't a whole lot of not knowing which ones were trustworthy because they acted more like familiars than equal personas, and were completely under control and loyal to her.
So as an avid reader of various different levels of fiction ranging from novels designed for pre-teen audiences, to YA, and adult fiction; I will say YA literature has reached a stagnant point. Too many authors shove points like sexuality, mental health, and gender identity into their novels. While this can be an interesting aspect of a character, it suffers when the author attempts to force story significance on those subjects. ex: if character A in a transgender, the author will highlight that multiple times despite the fact it has nothing to do with the arcane device about to blow up the galaxy cause some evil villain hates life so much because they killed his puppy or something (though honestly if a galaxy killed my puppy I'd hate the galaxy as well). My point being too often "authors" like to make these aspects of a character a centralized theme of their story, but then write a story in which it poorly applies those themes, or a story where those themes don't interact as a part of the plot or sub-plot. This causes the character's highlighted aspect to feel intrusive; when a chapter is devoted to exploring that part of them the reader is often filled with the thoughts of that monty python scene of everyone saying "Get On With It" which makes the character less likeable because they aren't pushing the story forward, they are exploring something that doesn't interact with the plot.
Sorry for the wall of text, this is just a pattern I notice in a lot of new YA books that seemed relevant to the story. If anything I said doesn't make sense I apologize.
*LARGE SCALE DOESNT MAKE A GOOD STORY!*
Thats something ive noticed a lot of a YA writters fail at. Zaving the world sounds cool, but stakes and story are personal, theres a reason books like All quite on the Western Front, Lord of the Flies, Swiss Family Robinson and Don Quijote are such good books, their personal stories. Yes, theres a deeper theme in them, but theres still a very personal and very engaging drama. The end of the Universe doesny require personal drama, because at thar scale theres NO ONE that would have persobal stakes greater than saving the universe.
@@pablocruz5613 villain: oh, but there's I... Because the universe, this collection of despicable things, killed. My. Dog.
It's actually a very interesting point that I didn't notice before, so thank you for sharing your thought.
@@pablocruz5613 Good point!
I’m writing an Octopath Traveler based in and formatted like campaign. So it’ll be hard for anyone to act like a main character as we’re dividing up the spotlight by one character per “chapter” and there are eight characters, each with 4 chapters
smart
this was a great start to the day! Being plural and hearing mpd in Quotes :) i mean its not even called mpd anymore but Yeeeaaah im gonna go watch some other shit
Should've let her character get threatened with the morning sun for disrespecting the prince.
Agreed. Some are advocating for the character to be killed outright, but I’d give the benefit of the doubt and just give a reminder of “your actions have consequences and if you keep this up it will lead to bad things.”
Honestly an Author sounds like they’d be amazing for a DM. Also your excused on your burp
No dude, she sounds like you'd get railroaded left, right, and centered while you were forced to follow behind the DMPC.
I mean maybe? That's also how you get railroading and DMs mad you didn't "follow the plot" they were trying to write, and one of the most commons criticisms for bad DMs is "Write a book then! I'd read your story (or not), but we're playing a game together."
Just the creativity and characters of a good author too much detail and railroading could be a problem.
I don't mind being railroaded. Especially if they're something of an odd duck.
Though doing so in VtM or similarly RP heavy systems would get old quick.
Some are. I had a storyteller (Yes, another WW game!) who was an "author" (probably like Mary was) who not only made a DMPC but pretty much railroaded the players. She'd sulk for days and have the NPCs turn on any character whose players pushed back with the "UM, no. My character wouldl not react that way to X NPC/ walk over and do that/ fulfill your creepy little fantasy)." Yeah. Dropped that game pretty quick. Have had GMs who were publishsed authors who were great because they understood they weren't writing a novel with the PCs as their characters.
I admit to confuse my first day changeling character in a LARP that ran( with 30 players+) for four years as a "main character" even having me lead a story arc. My character died heroically going out in a blaze of glory closing the arc but the reality kicked in. The story continued without my character. I didn't have the heart to build a new one so I retired from this game and realized that we are all main characters and the story will continue and not end with you.
>I am a published author!
>YA author.
You basically have nothing, nothing at all.
YEESH. That manipulation was strong. Having to deal with a person like that will always be so annoying and troublesome especially if it's evident that they're not willing to change for the better.