Warcraft Chronicle vol.1, page 126: Groups of hunter-gatherer humans proliferated throughout the forests and hillocks of the continent. As their society evolved and advanced, humans gathered an array of different tribes. Each one practiced animalistic beliefs - mainly crude forms of druidism and elemental shamanism.
Yeah, I don't get where people got the idea that the Worgen form *was* the druidic power when it comes to Harvest Witches. Gilnean ones were simply primitive, as they are called the "Old Ways" it must have been really dying out until interest sparked back up with the whole worgen transformation and whatnot.
It's like people have totally forgotten Blizz made up totally different rationale for Blood Elf and Tauren paladins than the rest of the paladins. Kul Tiran druids are the same situation as that.
Kyukonfox The High Elves lore wise are in the single digits at this point, with really only named NPCs sporting the blue eyes anymore. At least void elves have the explanation of always being able to acquire more from the blood elf population as they defect, we ain't getting more high elves anytime soon.
Kyukonfox i felt like void elves lore is weak and dont really justify being alliance but i guess alleria who seems to be a high elve makes sense we wouldnt get high elves since she dabbled in the void and high elves go to horde. Either way. I have enough elves. I like them but i dont love them. Trolls are primal elves so i think there is to many
The high elves should be horde their own kin is and their homeland is horde country why join up with alliance who have been killing their kin sinds BC. Void elves are not even elves anymore they are creatures of the void.
"We will not accept Argus the felator." "Huh, I didn't even think of that one." "Yes you did. Of course you did. It's all you ever think about." Aaaaaand now we know why Taliesin is always so cheerful!
There is an easy way for Blizzard to fix the whole druid thing. In the novels we find out that Cenarius is responsible for the creatures of the Land, Avianna the skies, but what of the Seas? We already have seen specks of sea worship in Kul Tiras. Have them being influenced by a Demigod of the Seas. Use a flashy mythological name ( Oceania, Tritonus, Thalassia) and there you have it......Sea Druids.
He is super cool, but is an Elemental Lord. Druids have connection not directly with the elements, but rather with Wild Gods[Loas are also wild gods]. So they'd have to make another bloke, maybe use the Kraken? Or the Kraken's third cousin on his mother's side, Kracus the Meeker?
I know this isn't the greatest justification but what do you think inspired Druidic type classes in fantasy games? Like, are you even aware who the Celts are?
That is the one thing that always bothers me about " Humans CAN'T be Druids! " I'm like, " Really? From a lore point maybe but IRL Druids ARE human!!! " I find it funny that humans cannot be the things in game that they were in real life. Druids, Shamans are all human naturally. Not like we have another species running around here on our little blue marble.
Wayne from a lore point of view humans have always been able to use nature magic. Gilneans used nature magic before the worgen curse took over, mind you, and Kul Tirans were once Gilnean sailors who have priests worshipping the sea. Even in lore human druids work.
Zappy Strike: 1.8 seconds to cast. 2 min cooldown. Electrocute your enemy with a powerful zap causing 42 Nature Damage and stunning them for 3 seconds. Double the effect against worgen enemies.
I thought the gilnean humans were studying about druidism even before they were afflicted with the worgen curse. You can also bring up the fact that pandaren are able to be priests, while they don't know anything about the light, it is just another school of magic for them other than a whole new concept.
Mint Mango they were studying Druidism before the Worgen curse. With Pandaren priests, some of the Pandaren that learned about the light might have believed or worshipped it.
It's not explained why Pandaren have priests, but I think it has to do with their reverence of the August Celestials, who are "Wild Gods" and are obviously a huge inspiration in their culture.
I know right? everyone can seem to accept troll paladins because they're "not real paladins they're Prelates" but a nature with is just too much for them to handle .....so sad.
I think the best class to represent different races using the class differently is Shamans. Trolls use voodoo, Orc have always been heavily connected with the elements and tauren's lore comes more from communing with the ancestors and totems. Smash them together and you have the modern day shaman. This has then been sinned more to fit some of the newer races. The same with Tauren palas using the sun and blood elves using the sun well to gain access to the light. People are calling for zandalari paladins ffs which is a pretty convoluted connection to the light.
Does anyone remember the Cataclysm patch with the Zandalari invasion? Remember how they literally had Zandalari paladins empowered by the Light of the Loa/Ancestors? I don't see anything "convoluted" about this, and it's been around for years by now.
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Gnome priests and Undead priests have a different relationship to the light as Draenei Priests. Tauren Shamans have different connection to the elements than Dwarves Shamans, and Goblin Shamans. The Tauren paladins are Sunwalkers, which is different than a human paladin. I can't wait to see Kul'tiran druids. I've always found Stormwind Humans to be boring, so for for the first time in my time playing WoW, I'm excited to roll a human character.
The thing a lot of people seem to forget about each race and their classes is that, a Blood Elf Paladin, Tauren Paladin, and Human Paladin, are all very different. Human Paladins worship the light as they always have, they're the A typical paladin. Blood Knights are an off branch of this kind of paladin. They use the light but their source is the Sunwell and, I imagine, use it in a more aggressive way, Seal of Blood being an example. As for the Sunwalkers (tauren paladins) they draw their power from An'she. They're basically militant druids but use the paladin class in Wow for gameplay purposes. These Kul'tiran druids are basically this same idea. They're not the same (look at their druid forms, clearly very different) but to make it work in game, they use the druid kits. Other examples of this are Night Elf priests vs Troll Priests vs Human Priests. There are differences that very from subtle to extreme when comparing almost every race/class combination.
Lucan Foxblood - Stormwind human druid from the novel Stormrage. He had a peculiar connection to the Dream, true, but he ends the novel becoming a druidic student of Hammuul Runetotem.
Lol "I've read up on all the books... thanks for ruining 10 years of my life blizzard!" Seems not all the forum criers have read the books like they say they have.
Then you'd get the argument a few exceptions don't justify their addition as a standard, much like undead paladin or draenei warlock. That being said, unlike the examples given, druidism is only a school of magic humans don't normally tap into, as opposed to actively being against it.
I don't think that particular character justifies Stormwind Human druids, just like how there's a Night Elf priestess in Legion who becomes a Paladin, that doesn't mean Nelfs should be able to be Paladins. But KT Humans being wicker druids is pretty dope as fuck.
Two things: 1. That character had no business existing. 2. A single outlier is not enough justification for widespread druidism among the Stormwind population.
There's hope for us Worgen mains. They said sometime after the release of BFA they are getting updates along with goblins. They could hurry it up, though...
See this is why I don't know if I should be impressed or annoyed with the "druid forms" Kul Tirans are supposedly getting. Those forms really should have been given to Worgen players, and Worgens in general should have had their issues fixed a long time ago.
I go barefoot. And i dont like them. But i like the other alliance races so it really doesnt bother me that much. I had high expectations for the forth race too since hordes new druid is amazing. I mean really, an upright troll with glowing eyes and history and dinosaurs. Compare that to humans that have evolved to bigger humans with bigger bellies that can become bushes x) I have a 110 void elf warlock I have a 107 lightforged priest I am gonna make a dark iron warrior when i can. But i dont think im gonna make a kultiran human, but i dont hate them. I'm gonna make a highmountain hunter too so i can see the horde side of bfa with it
All im saying is i still feel like alliance got shafted i meam zandalari hot a whole new model of druid tanks, alliance are just getting a retextured bear again...
I'm hoping that Kul'tiran humans have the skinny version too. Maybe using the male Forsaken skeleton for the females like they used the female one for male skinny Kul'tirans. Or maybe the fallen arakoa skeleton that they use for the wicker witches. I just want a full on hunchback witch look.
They made Kul Tiras druids because they really dropped the ball on the Gilneas harvest witch thing, along with pretty much everything else about Gilneas. Looks like they're doing a good job with the wicker druids so far, so I'm excited.
i do hope that if the main male/female kul'tiran models we've been seeing are going to be the playable ones that they tweak the female model to make her more rugged like the male model. even her hairstyles are all soft and fancy. the kul'tirans in general just have such a rugged, seafaring sort of vibe that the female model doesn't seem to fit. i wanna see more muscle definition and a less blank, generically 'pretty' face, and preferably some more interesting hairstyles. ANYWAY im gonna be playing a kul'tiran druid regardless
Her hair is not slick, but bulky when bundled. It's making a classic "wont sit nice on my head" in at least two options. Being a RL lumberjack myself, female and with her bodytype, I think it all fits perfect. Hoping to see more faces soon though.
Caitlin Hare probably not a good idea. Make them any less attractive and you get a race/gender combo as nonexistent as female Tauren, and we all know Blizzard wants those race change bucks.
Alex Mercer i mean sure i guess if you're trying to cater specifically to the crowd that wants to fuck their toons. fortunately blizzard seemed to agree with me however and gave them some cool scarred faces that i'm super on board with. there are enough 'sexy' character models in game to appeal to the people who prioritize that, it doesn't need to apply to all of them. but i do also, for the record, play a female tauren , so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Just as something to point out, in WoW you don’t just play as a worgen, your a gilnaian, always. This game has always been not just about which race you play but where they specifically fit in cause each race is bigger than the part that’s in the alliance or horde. Only a small faction of goblins are in the horde, one faction of dwarf are playable right now, darkspear trolls are what we play but there are so many troll clans. What I’m saying is, having a second set of humans not only fits thematically, it will also make the original humans feel more unquie as storm wind humans
Not to mention that's what every allied race is. A second set to the current races. Tauren and HM Tauren, Dreanei and LF Dreanei, Blood elf and void elf, Night Elves and Nightborne, darkspear and zandalari, green and brown orcs, ironforge and dark iron dwarves, humans and kul tiran humans (gilneans too if you count them). It's amazing that more people haven't caught onto this pattern yet.
One thing they could do to diversify CLASS identity is have other classes besides Warlocks have a special animation questline. Warlocks can get fel-fire which is amazing, give Mage blue fire, Druid nightmare-corrupted magic.
HEY! I’m surprised no one has mentioned it and felt like it has been completely ignored....but... WHERE ARE THE NIGHT ELF PALADINS?!?!??! (if you don’t know what I am talking about please refer to the pally order hall campaign)
No where. It was a dumb idea to turn one of the Priest's order hall members into a Paladin and even dumber idea to not follow through with that storyline and introduced Night Elf Paladins. It was a terrible idea all around.
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Lol ....alliance have so huge Light support ....and now they have Shadow/void Support ...the void elf.....so....Alliance have Light and Void/shadow itself
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The announcement of Kul'tiras humans was already one of my favorite things to happen in WoW for a long time, and then Kul'tiras wicker druids just fucking absolutely made me happy beyond belief. Finally not only do we get new models and amazing textures and transmog for humans, but also these creepy insane looking druids that don't affect lore in a bad way and honestly just bring a sense of amazement just thinking about how they'll play out. Very well done on Blizzard and I hope more can come from them.
Also I'm a lore nerd, and -Worgen druids are already a thing-, and existed pre-worgen curse. Also I will say that while they don't seem to be full druids like we know and love, Genn did mention that the Night Elf druid reminded him of 'Gilnean Druids' in the novel all about him(I forget the name, but WoWpedia has the quote. But yeah, it likely just meant the magic itself was similar buuuuuut it isn't much of a stretch.
“...humans gathered in an array of different tribes. Each one practiced animalistic beliefs-mainly crude forms of Druidism and elemental shamanism.” Warcraft Chronicle Volume 1: “The Rise of Arathor” page 126 second paragraph Kul Tiran humans can be druids and shamans!!!!! 😱😱😱 you head it here first
About Worgens, they actually WERE users of druidism BEFORE they got cursed actually. A proof of that is that when you make a new character, your worgen character is actually in the process of becoming a druid and yet, you already are a druid. Even before the Gilneans got to see the elves for the first time, they already had people that were referred as "Harvest Witches" that were lesser versions of druids. Those people after being inflicted by Goldrinn's curse got themselves powered up and after being healed by the elves, entered mostly the Cenarius Circle and became full fledged druids. So they already had a rudimentary version of druidism a long time ago before they made contact with the elves, then they just needed something at the same level of the Cenarius Circle to evolve their ways.
Okay so... Kul Tiras Druids make sense and it shouldn't be a shit show. Before Kul Tiras became a thing, these people who formed the nation ended up breaking off from Gilneas to make their own thing! So it doesn't surprise me at all that they're taught in the old ways and it makes sense!
Kultiran druids is the same as darkspear and zandalari druids, tauren paladins, dwarven shamans, priests of every race, all of these were fitting a new theme into an existing class.
Any of the races, theoretically, can be any class. It's moreso a question of rarity, with Human Shamans, Blood Elf Druids, Pandaren Death Knights, Undead Paladins and even races we can't even play (yet?) like the small amounts of non-Eyir Vrykul Paladins in Legion. Hating on a race being an odd class is ultimately foolish if you really played through the game, eh?
Pandaren Deth Knigt.. I know that there exist follower in garrison, but Pandaren lived hidden in Pandaria. They would have to somehow leave "giant turtle" or Pandaria so Lich King could find them. But yeah. You're right. Especialy everyone should be paladin (maybe undead should not be even priest)
Undead Priests according to lore are oddly common for a race that the Light treats so malignantly, they're essentially the foremost practitioners of the Discipline specialization. They're oddly enough a highly respected caste among them, as they represent all the things Forsaken stand for, such as discpline, will and balance. Look up 'Cult of Forgotten Shadow' if you ever hear someone say that 'Undead should not be priests'.
Oh my god, I love the weekly resets. Especially when Taliesin talks about how the forums are great, this episode in particular, i was so eager for when the breaking point of irony happens, it always fulfills me with joy!
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The silver lining in this expansion is that since I can’t care less about Kul Tiras or the Kul Tiran storyline, it means I will be able to absolutely burn through it and get ahead of the curve to end game. Normally I get pretty engaged in the deep lore and story of an expac, and I take my time going through and really enjoying it. Don’t have that problem this time, so I can burn right to max level and start the end game grind super fast. Thinking positive
I am a die-hard druid player, and I am pumped for Kul-Tiran druids. I like the theory of a different kind of nature magic, like what happened with the worgens. The druid class isn't about being chosen, it's about being tied to the power of nature and protecting it. Also I just REALLY want a witch bear.
Thank you so much Taliesin for putting the whole "humans can't be druids" thing into its proper perspective. You're 100% right when you say that technically the trolls aren't druids either. Zandalari are dinomancers and Darkspear are witch doctors.
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But he was born in Emerald Dream. Because of how/where he was born he is not ordinary human. He had connection to Emerald Dream same as ancient Worgens (druids of the scythe - Night Elves) - Gilnean wich later under Night Elves influece "updated" their harvestor witches into real druid. Point is he was connected to Emerald Dream because he was born there. If I will live with flowers & trees and I'll speak to them it won't turn me into druid. Wich is exactly what Blizz shows us now.
Yeah but that could work the same as with any magic. Lucan is proof that it could happen and is not race specific. The night elves weren't attuned to the Dream either until Cenarius taught Malfurion and he taught them. If someone wanted to learn, they could.
You told it. Night Elves were taught by Malfurion (he by Cenarius). + Night Elves were connected to nature by their past. Kul'tiran human has nothing to do with Cenarius, Ysera or Emerald Dream at all. Neither Worgen curse. They still can be harvestors, but it's not druid. Mage can transform everyone into sheep. It doesn't mean you're druid. Lucan was born in Emerald Dream so he had connection to real druidism, but Kul'tiran human has nothing that would learn them or connect them to real druidism. If they can be druids it's because every raca should be. Orcs, goblins & pandaren. But orcs don't care about nature. They care only abut elements wich is shamanism. Goblins don't care at all, but because they lived in nature they should be druids. This sounds stupid. Pandaren likes nature and would not destroy it, but they want nature to look to be beauty for them. They don't care about Nature as druids shuld. Kul'tiran human cares about nature as much as Pandaren. So We should see everyone druid or no Kul'tiran. For me I'm not going to play Kul'tiran human at all and I'll ignore all "druids" in form of Kul'tiran. I studied druid lore and lore of characters like Tyrande, Malfurion, Illidan, Cenarius, Malorne, Ysera and what we know about Emerald Dream and Emerald Nightmare. Kul'tiran druid just goes against everything.
Now imagine they place that idea that kultiran humans are actually related to something more magical and wiked than titanic descendence (like common humans) and that's why they can be druids? Imagine they implement a special form they enter when they are incombat, just like the worgen who enter worgen mode... It'd be cool imo
Helmets look bad on all tauren and worgen in my opinion, but people have different taste. There are probably a lot of people who would find Kul' Tiran human druids cool. I will certainly play if it becomes a thing.
Warcraft Chronicle vol.1, page 126: Groups of hunter-gatherer humans proliferated throughout the forests and hillocks of the continent. As their society evolved and advanced, humans gathered an array of different tribes. Each one practiced animalistic beliefs - mainly crude forms of druidism and elemental shamanism.
Perfect. You are the only person I have ever seen point that out. Thumbs up for sure.
Yeah, I don't get where people got the idea that the Worgen form *was* the druidic power when it comes to Harvest Witches. Gilnean ones were simply primitive, as they are called the "Old Ways" it must have been really dying out until interest sparked back up with the whole worgen transformation and whatnot.
Well said! Got to love people who actually read!
It's like people have totally forgotten Blizz made up totally different rationale for Blood Elf and Tauren paladins than the rest of the paladins. Kul Tiran druids are the same situation as that.
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IT'S THAT INNOCENTLY EVIL MUSIC IN THE BACKGROUND
I just watch them because they brighten my day. They're so positive. It's a nice contrast to the WoW forums.
Its a shit show obviously
Probably because Taliesin and Evitel are very charming and cool and excited about everything. They could talk about soap and id be intrigued
I guarantee the people whining about Human Druids didn't whine in Cataclysm, when we got Goblin Shamans and Tauren Paladins, but okay.
Why whine about Human druids now when we've had them since Catacylsm?
Taliesin: "Ion, how about Tuskarr?"
Ion: "You're fired."
real talk an allied nutral race tuscar too op
Jessica de Vries don't even joke about it. Anthropomorphic walruses are my spirit animals
Evitels reaction to Argus the Fellator is adorable.
If Horde got High Elves I think Blizzard HQ itself might become a raid
Kyukonfox The High Elves lore wise are in the single digits at this point, with really only named NPCs sporting the blue eyes anymore. At least void elves have the explanation of always being able to acquire more from the blood elf population as they defect, we ain't getting more high elves anytime soon.
Kyukonfox i felt like void elves lore is weak and dont really justify being alliance but i guess alleria who seems to be a high elve makes sense we wouldnt get high elves since she dabbled in the void and high elves go to horde. Either way. I have enough elves. I like them but i dont love them. Trolls are primal elves so i think there is to many
The high elves should be horde their own kin is and their homeland is horde country why join up with alliance who have been killing their kin sinds BC. Void elves are not even elves anymore they are creatures of the void.
Easy Grin you realize high elves were always alliance since the beginning right? Like Warcraft 1,2 and 3. Blood elves are reject versions of them
High Elves should be a neutral race
6:49 - I was NOT ready for that image. Thanks for making me nearly choke on my dinner, Taliesin.
"We will not accept Argus the felator."
"Huh, I didn't even think of that one."
"Yes you did. Of course you did. It's all you ever think about."
Aaaaaand now we know why Taliesin is always so cheerful!
Hahhahahah
There was a lot to unpack here lol
Out of all the people who make UA-cam videos about WoW, you two are definitely the most entertaining and funny lol. Keep up the good work :)
There is an easy way for Blizzard to fix the whole druid thing. In the novels we find out that Cenarius is responsible for the creatures of the Land, Avianna the skies, but what of the Seas? We already have seen specks of sea worship in Kul Tiras. Have them being influenced by a Demigod of the Seas. Use a flashy mythological name ( Oceania, Tritonus, Thalassia) and there you have it......Sea Druids.
Γκρηνιάρης # Excellent idea.
Would Neptulon be enough for that?
Waterman. Im not good at fantasy names.
Neptulon is a elemental lord, so Kul'Tirans worshiping him would fall under Shamanism not Druidism.
He is super cool, but is an Elemental Lord. Druids have connection not directly with the elements, but rather with Wild Gods[Loas are also wild gods]. So they'd have to make another bloke, maybe use the Kraken? Or the Kraken's third cousin on his mother's side, Kracus the Meeker?
It’ll be fun to look back at these videos two years from now and see how much this channel has changed
Gotta love the "So yeah... the other day I was playin on my shaman and..." LOL
Ciccio Bonzo it's the most common josh joke,he plays on his shaman alot
It was awesome. And pyro shouldn't be mad. You shouted out for him. You are great guys. I will take part in your contest
I know this isn't the greatest justification but what do you think inspired Druidic type classes in fantasy games? Like, are you even aware who the Celts are?
That is the one thing that always bothers me about " Humans CAN'T be Druids! " I'm like, " Really? From a lore point maybe but IRL Druids ARE human!!! " I find it funny that humans cannot be the things in game that they were in real life. Druids, Shamans are all human naturally. Not like we have another species running around here on our little blue marble.
Wayne Rogers Outdoors...but what if all shamans and druids are actually aliens in disguise?
Wendigo that's fine with me. They can be the Draenei and Orcs of Earth.
Wayne from a lore point of view humans have always been able to use nature magic. Gilneans used nature magic before the worgen curse took over, mind you, and Kul Tirans were once Gilnean sailors who have priests worshipping the sea. Even in lore human druids work.
Perhaps that's because...um...we are humans...
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ZAPPY BOY SHOULD BE AN ALLIED RACE
b-b-but- ah fuck it
Zappy will be the new warchief once Sylvanas dies for good
No, the racials would be way to op.
Racial be screaming "alliance wipe"
Zappy Strike: 1.8 seconds to cast. 2 min cooldown. Electrocute your enemy with a powerful zap causing 42 Nature Damage and stunning them for 3 seconds. Double the effect against worgen enemies.
The armor that was data mined with the hat and tentacles reminds me more of Davy Jones from the Pirates of the Caribbean, not Cthulu, I mean Old Gods.
I thought the gilnean humans were studying about druidism even before they were afflicted with the worgen curse.
You can also bring up the fact that pandaren are able to be priests, while they don't know anything about the light, it is just another school of magic for them other than a whole new concept.
Mint Mango they were studying Druidism before the Worgen curse.
With Pandaren priests, some of the Pandaren that learned about the light might have believed or worshipped it.
It's not explained why Pandaren have priests, but I think it has to do with their reverence of the August Celestials, who are "Wild Gods" and are obviously a huge inspiration in their culture.
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For a fantasy game, too many players lack any sense of imagination. Kul Tiran nature witches = druids. Boom! Done! Now go back to crying.
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Pretty stoked about it. Hope their flight form is a big wooden kite.
idk if thats meant to be a joke, but I hope you're right!
I know right?
everyone can seem to accept troll paladins because they're "not real paladins they're Prelates" but a nature with is just too much for them to handle .....so sad.
MUH HUMANS AND ELF RACES
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I think the best class to represent different races using the class differently is Shamans. Trolls use voodoo, Orc have always been heavily connected with the elements and tauren's lore comes more from communing with the ancestors and totems. Smash them together and you have the modern day shaman. This has then been sinned more to fit some of the newer races. The same with Tauren palas using the sun and blood elves using the sun well to gain access to the light. People are calling for zandalari paladins ffs which is a pretty convoluted connection to the light.
To me if a race can be a priest then they should be able to be a paladin as both are connected to the light.
Chris Thompson they worship a light loa or some shit my dude
my point was more that if a troll race can be paladins the humans can be druids.
Np I agree with you as there are different ways of practising the same thing.
Does anyone remember the Cataclysm patch with the Zandalari invasion? Remember how they literally had Zandalari paladins empowered by the Light of the Loa/Ancestors? I don't see anything "convoluted" about this, and it's been around for years by now.
Evitel's delivery of her lines is just amazing. Her tone just gets me everytime. Was waiting for her to mention that the murloc bag is (obviously) the real first place prize.
*Important question:* How many entries for "Argus the ---er" are we allowed to enter? More than one? If yes, then should we send 1 entry per email, or should we stuff all our entries in one mail?
(btw the second price is so superior, who wouldn't love that Murloc backpack :D :D)
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Gnome priests and Undead priests have a different relationship to the light as Draenei Priests. Tauren Shamans have different connection to the elements than Dwarves Shamans, and Goblin Shamans. The Tauren paladins are Sunwalkers, which is different than a human paladin. I can't wait to see Kul'tiran druids. I've always found Stormwind Humans to be boring, so for for the first time in my time playing WoW, I'm excited to roll a human character.
The thing a lot of people seem to forget about each race and their classes is that, a Blood Elf Paladin, Tauren Paladin, and Human Paladin, are all very different. Human Paladins worship the light as they always have, they're the A typical paladin. Blood Knights are an off branch of this kind of paladin. They use the light but their source is the Sunwell and, I imagine, use it in a more aggressive way, Seal of Blood being an example. As for the Sunwalkers (tauren paladins) they draw their power from An'she. They're basically militant druids but use the paladin class in Wow for gameplay purposes.
These Kul'tiran druids are basically this same idea. They're not the same (look at their druid forms, clearly very different) but to make it work in game, they use the druid kits.
Other examples of this are Night Elf priests vs Troll Priests vs Human Priests.
There are differences that very from subtle to extreme when comparing almost every race/class combination.
Man josh got hot
Lol
Yea that wig actually suits her pretty well.
Bruh Josh has always been too good for this world
mans not hot
I mean he does play Daredevil on Netflix so there's that.
I love your positivity about the Kul Tirans : ) And totally agree about the druid lore! This druid will be happy to meet them ^.^
I just want a tortollan, so I can make him ride a bear mount. And then make a panda and make him ride a turtle.
Freddy I think two-handed weapons and capes would look extremely awkward on a tortollan's back.
As long as they get monks... imagine the tmnt rp
Shut the fuck up.. just no
fuck monks they are obviously rogues
If they make this happen, pizza needs to be added to cooking :3
Loved the episode and love the competition. Mailed you my entry, looking forward to all the horrible puns that this is gonna bring Xp
Lucan Foxblood - Stormwind human druid from the novel Stormrage. He had a peculiar connection to the Dream, true, but he ends the novel becoming a druidic student of Hammuul Runetotem.
Lol "I've read up on all the books... thanks for ruining 10 years of my life blizzard!" Seems not all the forum criers have read the books like they say they have.
Then you'd get the argument a few exceptions don't justify their addition as a standard, much like undead paladin or draenei warlock. That being said, unlike the examples given, druidism is only a school of magic humans don't normally tap into, as opposed to actively being against it.
Not to mention that chronicles have stated that the human tribes before the kingdoms have worshiped crude versions of shamanism and druidism.
I don't think that particular character justifies Stormwind Human druids, just like how there's a Night Elf priestess in Legion who becomes a Paladin, that doesn't mean Nelfs should be able to be Paladins. But KT Humans being wicker druids is pretty dope as fuck.
Two things:
1. That character had no business existing.
2. A single outlier is not enough justification for widespread druidism among the Stormwind population.
Wow, I love you guys. That was my favorite intro ever. Please don't ever stop
Suuuuuure would be nice if Worgen got an update model during all these Allied Races bullshit.
You will sit there with your Chihuahua faces and messed up helmet models and be grateful, damn it!
And impractically long fangs, silly running animation, horrible neck clipping and (debatable) lack of tails
There's hope for us Worgen mains. They said sometime after the release of BFA they are getting updates along with goblins. They could hurry it up, though...
People play Worgen? That’s news to me
See this is why I don't know if I should be impressed or annoyed with the "druid forms" Kul Tirans are supposedly getting. Those forms really should have been given to Worgen players, and Worgens in general should have had their issues fixed a long time ago.
Wow that was such a spot on imitation of the interview… Great job guys
The people saying Kul Tiran druids look bad are the same people who wear socks and sandals lmfao
I go barefoot.
And i dont like them.
But i like the other alliance races so it really doesnt bother me that much.
I had high expectations for the forth race too since hordes new druid is amazing.
I mean really, an upright troll with glowing eyes and history and dinosaurs.
Compare that to humans that have evolved to bigger humans with bigger bellies that can become bushes x)
I have a 110 void elf warlock
I have a 107 lightforged priest
I am gonna make a dark iron warrior when i can.
But i dont think im gonna make a kultiran human, but i dont hate them.
I'm gonna make a highmountain hunter too so i can see the horde side of bfa with it
Sandals make your feet sweat and socks take care of that problem. Sounds like a comfortable solution.
All im saying is i still feel like alliance got shafted i meam zandalari hot a whole new model of druid tanks, alliance are just getting a retextured bear again...
I like both...
Fuckin' shoebies.
I'm hoping that Kul'tiran humans have the skinny version too. Maybe using the male Forsaken skeleton for the females like they used the female one for male skinny Kul'tirans. Or maybe the fallen arakoa skeleton that they use for the wicker witches. I just want a full on hunchback witch look.
... I miss Metzen so much
Rafael Braga he's still voicing thrall in bfa
Oh, that I know. It's just that, you know, I miss seeing Metzen doing press stuff. He had more... charisma. But that's me.
I really loved how Kul'tirans were revealed! Just.. a single breath in the middle of everything...
I'm sorry, but Dinomancers is my new favourite term.
Berry Medley been in game for 5 years now...just saying. Xp
Oh really? That's cool, I'm kind of back on the WoW wagon after being out since BC. Thanks for the info though!
Yeah, but instead of fighting them, we're playing as them. Bingo! Dino Dna!
what are the kultiran druid called? weirdwoothingymancer?
They made Kul Tiras druids because they really dropped the ball on the Gilneas harvest witch thing, along with pretty much everything else about Gilneas. Looks like they're doing a good job with the wicker druids so far, so I'm excited.
Fastest click of my life.
BTW: fantastic american impressions!
Yea Evitel sounds American...as for Teliesin no
Isn't Evitel from the USA originally?
It's OK she got better.
I mean Evithel is murrican herself.
fastest wank you propably mean?..
That intro was hilarious....you guys are simply fantastic 😁
i do hope that if the main male/female kul'tiran models we've been seeing are going to be the playable ones that they tweak the female model to make her more rugged like the male model. even her hairstyles are all soft and fancy. the kul'tirans in general just have such a rugged, seafaring sort of vibe that the female model doesn't seem to fit. i wanna see more muscle definition and a less blank, generically 'pretty' face, and preferably some more interesting hairstyles. ANYWAY im gonna be playing a kul'tiran druid regardless
Agree 100% I would like the females to look more seafaring and rugged like the males as well.
Her hair is not slick, but bulky when bundled. It's making a classic "wont sit nice on my head" in at least two options. Being a RL lumberjack myself, female and with her bodytype, I think it all fits perfect. Hoping to see more faces soon though.
Big strunk hardy rugged females, yes please.
Caitlin Hare probably not a good idea. Make them any less attractive and you get a race/gender combo as nonexistent as female Tauren, and we all know Blizzard wants those race change bucks.
Alex Mercer i mean sure i guess if you're trying to cater specifically to the crowd that wants to fuck their toons. fortunately blizzard seemed to agree with me however and gave them some cool scarred faces that i'm super on board with. there are enough 'sexy' character models in game to appeal to the people who prioritize that, it doesn't need to apply to all of them. but i do also, for the record, play a female tauren , so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
When I saw the new dev Q&A was uploaded, I instantly thought "OH FUCK YEAH TALIESIN AND EVITEL WILL BE DOING THEIR IMPRESSIONS AGAIN"
Just as something to point out, in WoW you don’t just play as a worgen, your a gilnaian, always. This game has always been not just about which race you play but where they specifically fit in cause each race is bigger than the part that’s in the alliance or horde. Only a small faction of goblins are in the horde, one faction of dwarf are playable right now, darkspear trolls are what we play but there are so many troll clans. What I’m saying is, having a second set of humans not only fits thematically, it will also make the original humans feel more unquie as storm wind humans
Not to mention that's what every allied race is. A second set to the current races. Tauren and HM Tauren, Dreanei and LF Dreanei, Blood elf and void elf, Night Elves and Nightborne, darkspear and zandalari, green and brown orcs, ironforge and dark iron dwarves, humans and kul tiran humans (gilneans too if you count them). It's amazing that more people haven't caught onto this pattern yet.
Yet the Horde gets option to all clans of "brown" orcs. That's what Alliance still miss
One thing they could do to diversify CLASS identity is have other classes besides Warlocks have a special animation questline. Warlocks can get fel-fire which is amazing, give Mage blue fire, Druid nightmare-corrupted magic.
HEY! I’m surprised no one has mentioned it and felt like it has been completely ignored....but...
WHERE ARE THE NIGHT ELF PALADINS?!?!??! (if you don’t know what I am talking about please refer to the pally order hall campaign)
No where. It was a dumb idea to turn one of the Priest's order hall members into a Paladin and even dumber idea to not follow through with that storyline and introduced Night Elf Paladins.
It was a terrible idea all around.
AngrySmurf I think it is a good idea, it makes sense in my opinion as well, especially when you look at the Taurens
Onyxian It was a waste of a tease because it was never followed up on.
The wicker kul tiran druids are going to be nuts. Cant wait to see what the moonkins look like
if you can be skinny humans then everyone will have names ripping off asmongold
Steven Levand Baldmongold
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Never skipping an ad while watching T&E
I have no clue how to photoshop a picture....but I know how to click the ''like'' button!!! meow
i didnt as well but i spent like 2 hours trying to work out how and i think i did ok
You should contemplate your life and try to figure out why you've turned into the fuck who non-sarcastically says "meow".
says the one called pink cicada ..... lol you have no right to judge anyone
I really like strangers who have no clue about someone comment what to do in their life so please !!!!
i just taught myself.^^
Oh man, I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. That face at 10:50 absolutely killed me, thanks for making a cloudy day a bit brighter for me.
Keep up the amazing stuff, love your guys' videos!
Much love!
Kul'tiran paladins are basically Uther... Please give us Kul'tiran pallies blizz
Lol ....alliance have so huge Light support ....and now they have Shadow/void Support ...the void elf.....so....Alliance have Light and Void/shadow itself
Dede Cnhrisfani That's part of the point. The contrast between Void and Light within one faction.
What? If Uther was 150 lbs overweight. Gee whiz
well he played warcraft 3 on a widescreen monitor in fullscreen which made every character look fat
Dede Cnhrisfani And you have upright orcs
Your sketch at the beginning was so painfully awkward... it was perfect! 😁
MY BELOVED CHANNEL 😅
I'd like to play the Blue Dwarves, simply for their vocal sound effects, imagine making that a Death Knight.
well im screwed because i have no photo altering skills or programs
You can use gimp. Open-Source Photoshop-alternative :) Just used it myself with pretty much zero skill :D
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thank you thank you
You're most welcome :) Glad I could help ^^ If there's anything (not too complicated xD) I can help you with shoot me a message. My battletag is psychorico#2367
ight i might need yer help sooner then later i cant figure out how to mold pictures together and cant find u btag off hand mine is Dragoheart#11718
Doesn't work if you copy it ;) Had to go to bed (was 4 a.m. here in Germany, and I have an appointment now) Will be home in like 2 hours.
The announcement of Kul'tiras humans was already one of my favorite things to happen in WoW for a long time, and then Kul'tiras wicker druids just fucking absolutely made me happy beyond belief. Finally not only do we get new models and amazing textures and transmog for humans, but also these creepy insane looking druids that don't affect lore in a bad way and honestly just bring a sense of amazement just thinking about how they'll play out. Very well done on Blizzard and I hope more can come from them.
Argus the Edgy Teenager
Also I'm a lore nerd, and -Worgen druids are already a thing-, and existed pre-worgen curse. Also I will say that while they don't seem to be full druids like we know and love, Genn did mention that the Night Elf druid reminded him of 'Gilnean Druids' in the novel all about him(I forget the name, but WoWpedia has the quote. But yeah, it likely just meant the magic itself was similar buuuuuut it isn't much of a stretch.
I love those intros!
I love how Tali is so excited about all the prizes lol.
“...humans gathered in an array of different tribes. Each one practiced animalistic beliefs-mainly crude forms of Druidism and elemental shamanism.”
Warcraft Chronicle Volume 1: “The Rise of Arathor” page 126 second paragraph
Kul Tiran humans can be druids and shamans!!!!! 😱😱😱 you head it here first
Rocuu Proudmoore nah someone pointed that out earlier
About Worgens, they actually WERE users of druidism BEFORE they got cursed actually. A proof of that is that when you make a new character, your worgen character is actually in the process of becoming a druid and yet, you already are a druid. Even before the Gilneans got to see the elves for the first time, they already had people that were referred as "Harvest Witches" that were lesser versions of druids. Those people after being inflicted by Goldrinn's curse got themselves powered up and after being healed by the elves, entered mostly the Cenarius Circle and became full fledged druids. So they already had a rudimentary version of druidism a long time ago before they made contact with the elves, then they just needed something at the same level of the Cenarius Circle to evolve their ways.
How are you guys so entertaining?!
Caboosnore Gaming taliesin is s holy gift from god itself
Kultirian humans will also probably be Hunters, the other class all races can be as of right now in the game. Kultirian bear druid name Brambleclaw.
Okay so... Kul Tiras Druids make sense and it shouldn't be a shit show. Before Kul Tiras became a thing, these people who formed the nation ended up breaking off from Gilneas to make their own thing! So it doesn't surprise me at all that they're taught in the old ways and it makes sense!
It's amusing how Evitel occasionally flinches mildly while Taliesin is waxing loud, as if a light headache is returning.
Although I really want to play as a skinny human I cant see Blizzard risking the flak they'd get for making anorexic looking females.
Idk they get bitched at all the time by snowflakes and they just flip them the bird.
Kultiran druids is the same as darkspear and zandalari druids, tauren paladins, dwarven shamans, priests of every race, all of these were fitting a new theme into an existing class.
Any of the races, theoretically, can be any class. It's moreso a question of rarity, with Human Shamans, Blood Elf Druids, Pandaren Death Knights, Undead Paladins and even races we can't even play (yet?) like the small amounts of non-Eyir Vrykul Paladins in Legion. Hating on a race being an odd class is ultimately foolish if you really played through the game, eh?
Pandaren Deth Knigt.. I know that there exist follower in garrison, but Pandaren lived hidden in Pandaria. They would have to somehow leave "giant turtle" or Pandaria so Lich King could find them. But yeah. You're right.
Especialy everyone should be paladin (maybe undead should not be even priest)
Undead Priests according to lore are oddly common for a race that the Light treats so malignantly, they're essentially the foremost practitioners of the Discipline specialization. They're oddly enough a highly respected caste among them, as they represent all the things Forsaken stand for, such as discpline, will and balance. Look up 'Cult of Forgotten Shadow' if you ever hear someone say that 'Undead should not be priests'.
The Ebon Blade has the ability to create new Death Knights.
And player Death Knights start during Wrath. What the Ebon Blade did during Legion is irrelevant.
Blizzard can always change it up. They did such in Cata.
Oh my god, I love the weekly resets. Especially when Taliesin talks about how the forums are great, this episode in particular, i was so eager for when the breaking point of irony happens, it always fulfills me with joy!
Argus the tater
Argus the hater
Argus the mater
Argus the mayor
Argus the kanker
Argus the raider
Argus the gator
Argus the painter
Argus the elevator
Argus the renovator
Argus the danger
Argus the advocator
Argus the undertaker
Argus the traitor
Argus the vader
...im done
Argus the aligator/the waiter/the jailer/the baiter/the fainter/the failure/the inhailer/the impaler/the power ranger
mc15cp lol undertaker is the only one thst rhymes with maker.
mc15cp argus the Sith Lord
you forgot argus the masturbater
Argus the wanker
The silver lining in this expansion is that since I can’t care less about Kul Tiras or the Kul Tiran storyline, it means I will be able to absolutely burn through it and get ahead of the curve to end game. Normally I get pretty engaged in the deep lore and story of an expac, and I take my time going through and really enjoying it. Don’t have that problem this time, so I can burn right to max level and start the end game grind super fast. Thinking positive
Little we know that we are getting the skinny Kul Tiran humans and have a mechanic, the more they eats the larger the character gets.
Only if they add a mechanic where not eating makes them starve to death and deletes the character forever
I'm so pumped for that competition. I can't draw but I can sure think of something funny to put Argus on.
Doesn't the lore state that humans were Druids before they were mages?
Yes, it does. The harvest witches. But their power was not as strong as Night Elf Druids. Probably because they weren't trained by Cenarius.
I am a die-hard druid player, and I am pumped for Kul-Tiran druids. I like the theory of a different kind of nature magic, like what happened with the worgens. The druid class isn't about being chosen, it's about being tied to the power of nature and protecting it.
Also I just REALLY want a witch bear.
Argus the Faker. As in the LCS champion Faker. Would be pretty cool with him looking a bit like twisted fate with a card in his hand.
TF is Apdo's ace, Ryze is fakers.
Thank you so much Taliesin for putting the whole "humans can't be druids" thing into its proper perspective. You're 100% right when you say that technically the trolls aren't druids either. Zandalari are dinomancers and Darkspear are witch doctors.
but can argus the maker make pyromancer's theories believable
That intro was just outstanding. Nearly spat my scrambled eggs across the room 👍
Argus the baby maker
Going on what you said about look on classes... Night Elves paladins, change their spells from golden to more a purple bluish mix, like the moon.
Taliesin was wrong???
Impossible
UnPoSsIbLe
Awesome video, I laughed so hard at the intro, and your new contest is amazing!
For the Kultiran Human druids, personnaly I'm pretty excited and open about it. This weird haunted Blair Witch-like forest matches perfectly the topic in my opinion :P
Can't wait to see that ingame.
Keep up the good work, your videos are a nice fresh breeze on youtube.
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The squidhead cloth set has me thinking of some sort of oceanic plague doctor, so.... Neat.
Kul Tirans and Mag'har in November, 24th anniversary of Orcs VS Humans.
Don't know how to photoshop but I like "Argus the Shaker" he could be like a dancer busting a groove XD
I just want to say human druids (well, one) already exist who aren't worgen.
Lucan Foxblood. He is Hamuul Runetotem's apprentice.
Completely forgot about that dude.
But he was born in Emerald Dream. Because of how/where he was born he is not ordinary human. He had connection to Emerald Dream same as ancient Worgens (druids of the scythe - Night Elves) - Gilnean wich later under Night Elves influece "updated" their harvestor witches into real druid.
Point is he was connected to Emerald Dream because he was born there. If I will live with flowers & trees and I'll speak to them it won't turn me into druid. Wich is exactly what Blizz shows us now.
Yeah but that could work the same as with any magic. Lucan is proof that it could happen and is not race specific. The night elves weren't attuned to the Dream either until Cenarius taught Malfurion and he taught them. If someone wanted to learn, they could.
You told it. Night Elves were taught by Malfurion (he by Cenarius). + Night Elves were connected to nature by their past. Kul'tiran human has nothing to do with Cenarius, Ysera or Emerald Dream at all. Neither Worgen curse. They still can be harvestors, but it's not druid. Mage can transform everyone into sheep. It doesn't mean you're druid. Lucan was born in Emerald Dream so he had connection to real druidism, but Kul'tiran human has nothing that would learn them or connect them to real druidism. If they can be druids it's because every raca should be. Orcs, goblins & pandaren. But orcs don't care about nature. They care only abut elements wich is shamanism. Goblins don't care at all, but because they lived in nature they should be druids. This sounds stupid. Pandaren likes nature and would not destroy it, but they want nature to look to be beauty for them. They don't care about Nature as druids shuld. Kul'tiran human cares about nature as much as Pandaren. So We should see everyone druid or no Kul'tiran. For me I'm not going to play Kul'tiran human at all and I'll ignore all "druids" in form of Kul'tiran. I studied druid lore and lore of characters like Tyrande, Malfurion, Illidan, Cenarius, Malorne, Ysera and what we know about Emerald Dream and Emerald Nightmare. Kul'tiran druid just goes against everything.
And the Zandalari do make sense? Curious how you people only complain when the Alliance gets something, but horde gets a pass because reasons.
Now imagine they place that idea that kultiran humans are actually related to something more magical and wiked than titanic descendence (like common humans) and that's why they can be druids? Imagine they implement a special form they enter when they are incombat, just like the worgen who enter worgen mode... It'd be cool imo
Do you even know how ugly all of the druid sets are gonna look on a human? Have u ever played a worgen druid and stayed inhuman form... its horrendous
Big Bundy guess what,it's the golden rule! You don't have to play it if you don't like it
U think humans r gonna look good in them gearsets?
Helmets look bad on all tauren and worgen in my opinion, but people have different taste. There are probably a lot of people who would find Kul' Tiran human druids cool. I will certainly play if it becomes a thing.
Skinny kultiran humans would make me so happy. I might finally level up that warlock I've always wanted to play.
If I wanted to play as a fat human I’d turn off my PC and experience the world. Hordecraft’s horde bias confirmed.
I'd play a kul tiran druid just for the wicker forms
OMFG... Literally ROFLing right now... LOVED the intro this time! :D