GDlauncher from pi-apps. try out fabulously optimized modpack. hopefully this board has any opengl drivers. does it use mesa with panfrost or proprietary drivers (glxinfo)? reposted because UA-cam is deleting my comments...
I definitely want to see this chip turned into an Android car stereo, with the right screen and the right amplifier. I know it may sound overkill, but when you're using the maps app, spotify, car park cameras and other stuff, many "cheap" devices may let you down, crash apps, get slow... I would love to build one myself, but there are few singleboards that run android natively.
I have a Teyes cc3 clone and they sent me the 4gb ram version instead of 6 and it can get bogged down. This would be cool. I want to see a 21700 powered phone or tablet with this that could be used as an Android head unit
Khadas badly needs to put in the work on keeping their website, documentation and downloads/images up to date. Really let's the excellent hardware down.
I'd love to see this thing put into a retro handheld. Mostly curious to see how the port management on the case would be handled as well as getting air into the device for cooling.
Dude there are so many small factor PCs that are getting better and better. I've been looking for an arm based sbc to hopefully make a mini retro all in one system.
@@linuxization4205 Power consumption concerns. Its easier and more efficient to use an ARM based system than X86 for an all in one. Sure I could get better performance, but I am not made of money.
@@linuxization4205 I can see your question though. Its completely valid. Why use an ARM based system when there are more powerful systems that can do it better? I am just looking out for my power bill since I would actually use it a lot. I game on my PC a lot, but I dont really need a top of the line PC when I can use a cheap system like this for emulation. Especially if it can do PS2 emulation. I could have my PC shut down and only use a fraction of the wattage.
@@linuxization4205 Its also about form factor as well. I like to keep things very small and tightly compact since I lived in my own room for the longest time with no other place to myself to keep my electronics. I've learned to compact and organize things. A small form factor like this would make it easy to hide and cable manage on a TV or under a Desk.
@@3v068 You can buy e.g. Dell Wyse 5070 that eats less power than RPI4. I was also thinking about ARM pc's for homelab, but end up with 5 mentioned mini pc's, getting more performance for lower cost
fat chance. RPi still uses 4x A53 cores and the VC6 GPU barely improved over VC4 and don't mention how finnicky to get video acceleration running without customised Chromium/Firefox builds. Even if it works, there's still dropped frames. RPi's are cheap for a reason
300 dollar on their website... not even comparable with a pi considering the -price.( the 8Gb is 200 dollar which makes that one cheaper than the ShieldTV !)
I mean it kind if is... pi4 is quad core.. so this having 8 cores..... this is like 2 pis stuck together.. pi 4 8gb is 75.. so two of them 150.. this is faster too without being overclocked.. and has 64gb of emmc...
I see also the price as the biggest hindrance. You cannot just take the board you also have to add the cooler and a case - that puts an additional price-tag to it.
I would love to see something like this but with more ports (like 2.5g eth, pcie 4x slot, etc, all of these are supported by that chip). Video drivers are kind of a big thing here, currently we don't have great drivers that really take advantage of that gpu. It took a long time for the RK3399 to get proper open source drivers working, this is going to take quite some time as well IMO. Maybe next year we get improvements and better boards with more I/O
Yeah the datasheet says the chip has 4 pcie lanes. But they have implemented them. Also can take ddr5 but they've gone with ddr4, and slow ddr4 at that.
@@marcusk7855 oh you are right, forgot that part. Maybe we don't see them with ddr5 yet because support is iffy and only works on dram that isn't really available right now with current supply chain issues. (i'm just guessing)
The current issue with all RK3588s based boards is that they’re limited to using the Android aimed branched kernel that RockChip maintain that is (as far as I know) way behind mainline. This limits support for things like Vulkan and less optimised OpenGL support. Luckily it seems mainline is having support added, which will open the door for way better distributions.
Can't be too far behind if it's running 22.04. You can't use an ancient kernel with the latest & greatest Ubuntu packages/libraries/etc., because eventually you'll run into issues, like some library uses some feature that doesn't exist in such an old kernel. EDIT: As for OGL and Vulkan. As long as the drivers are up to date an older kernel shouldn't matter. I'm guessing RockChip writes the driver. Really depends when they're updated for the performance of those things. If the driver is just as old as the kernel then yeah, might get annoying that you're behind. But if the driver is pretty modern, just on an old kernel? Still sounds like a good deal.
@@MrSlowestD16 They have, AFAIK, merged updates and patches, so it's technically not that far behind, but means it's also not entirely "up to date", and being closed source means it's a gamble as to what may or may not be there and work. Its annoying, I wish they'd just push their stuff to mainline, but seems there's a dedicated group of people doing it for them so it'll get there.
The PS2 emu was impressive 😮 can we possibly see Redream premium running and see how high the open gL will comfortably upscale things like Daytona USA, Sega Rally, MSR, Dead or Alive 2, the house of the dead 2 etc
I've been waiting for a good look at this one. I REALLY wished it had a MicroSD slot. I was all set to preorder the Pro model until I noticed no MicroSD slot. Now, I'll think on it a while. I would be buying the model with case. I need to see a review with the new case before I buy at all.
I mean...power would be a real issue, it'd require a hefty battery and you probably wouldn't get great battery life. Might be on par w/ the Steam Deck. Honestly though, by time you spend money and time on materials, a 3D printed shell, a screen, controls etc you'd probably be better off just buying an entry level Steam Deck.
🤔ETA... man i gotta say this to you. This is definitely one of my favorite tech channels because you not only have tutorials on things to learn and I'm actually actively learning some more new things from you but there is no elitism you don't scoff you don't shame like other channels. They just seem to have an attitude. Yours is very welcoming and I enjoy your content. Sub for life. P.S. many people have officially lost the ability to play retail retroarch mode on the series consoles I am unfortunately a casualty after I did have it up and running and I was resetting some stuff and realized I couldn't get back in this little device here definitely gets my gears turning on a little device I can carry with me and blow up on a TV if I want. I'm also new to emulation in a complicated lane. Vs simple stuff in the past. I have no prior smarts or schooling on computing or really knowing the ins and outs of everything but I am learning. For a noob I'm greatful for this space ❤
This is so cool. I could imagine it carrying around together with my iPad Pro and the Magic Keyboard. I mainly use it for reading papers and writing assignments, but now I can do some coding on the go with it.
As someone who has been wanting to make an emulation handheld out of a switch lite, this sounds perfect, super thin, super powerful, display connections, this could be very interesting
Very nice SBC, however, compared to the Pi, the price is more in line with a low cost small form factor desktop x86. I do like the direction manufacturers are headed. Good video.
Such long time I'm waiting to get rk3588 based board (rock5B just keep being delayed). I would have jump into this one if it had provided a bit more I/O like M.2 ports: - one for adding NVMe because onboard storage is very small (32GB or 64GB): how do you manage to use as main desktop PC with that storage? - Ideally another M.2 ports for adding 4G modem and make it server + router desktop mini pc Hopefully more models should be available soon...
@@jhyog yeah had considered that one too. I probably dismissed because of slightly higher price ( 290$ vs 220$ in 16GB or 170$ in 8GB) and also powered from jack instead of USB-C. otherwise still a good alternative if not willing to wait for rock5b release.
I feel like how amazing this is is completely going over people's heads. I wanna print an og nds housing for this badboy slap an irblaster on it and have a dope retro gaming web browsing remote control
Knowing how much you love small form factor and modern versions of single board computers would you be interested in doing a build using ISA, VL Bus, and PCI Intel and AMD based single board computers? Those will run DOS, Linux, Windows right out of the box. Plus you can connect them to passive back planes with up to 20 expansion slots on the board. Add any number of HDDs, SSDs, optical drives, expansion cards, etc.
You should do a video with the RK3588s boards that have an m.2 slot using an epgu. Linux has amdgpu support on arm and 6.2 added a lot of arm support for RDNA3 chips.
Need this to replace a flaky Nvidia shield or 2 looks amazing. Are these like the other SBC's and don't actually exist to consumers seen a few that looked really promising but none were actually available for purchase.
This seems like a pretty cool product. My main issue with it is the three camera connectors. Connecting 3 cameras to such a device is going to be pretty niche. If one of these connection points could have been hooked up to run a screen that would have been far more usefull.
Thank God they are starting to put proper installers on these things. The whole weird iso image processes that for some weird reason has become the standard is such a pain.
Once upon a time, everyone gave you disks, and on these discs were the installers of your operating systems. But then one day we all decided those discs were too big, took up too much space and were too slow, and it was cumbersome to buy more expensive disks, and burn them all the time. So we turned to USB and flash, But we needed something to be compatible with both, ISOs are the result.
I'd love to see a full emulation video on Ubuntu for this. I hate Android for emu boxes because there's inevitably going to be some config tweaks required and it's just a lot easier to crack open a terminal and have full filesystem access and no ro partitions or sandboxing or anything of that nature. The tweaking is a lot easier on a normal Linux desktop, IMO. But generally out-of-the-box Android performance is better, so there's that... But that PS2 perf is quite nice. Curious how something like this would stack up against the Jetson Nano - you have one of those, don't you? The Jetson Nano isn't well supported anymore since the next revision is coming out next year.
Oh wow. I wonder what the power consumption is like. This could be something that could be implemented in custom mobile gaming devices to great effect. Also, typical stuff is of interest. SteamOS? Windows + Games? How would that fare?
I'd plug a basic NVMe drive into the fastest USB port for OS and storage. I wonder how long that could be run off a battery bank? If they fitted an M2 slot, even the little size one, this thing would be brilliant. I could put one inside a keyboard and make my own 1980s style micro-computer, one that can become every 1980s micro-computer I want it to be.
You're probably stuck in Balanced Power Mode rather than Performance Power Mode. Had the same issue with Ubuntu I installed on an Asus cn60 Chromebox. Dropped frames at 1080p playback until after I made the change. Had to go command line to change it as the gui didn't offer me performance power mode.
This would be a perfect phone if i could connect a 6" mipi touch display easily. Just wrap the battery+khadas pack in a silicone rubber band like the iphone aluminium frame.
Hey! Ive been looking into buying one of these but find it hard to find more in-depth reviews of gaming/emulation. Was hoping that you could do an in-depth test of it. Cheers!
For 170$ it seems great. I could see myself 3D modeling on Blender, playing PS2 games, browsing the internet, watching movies & shows on this thing. Can be easily powered by a small solar panel alongside a small 12v freezer. Yea its nice! ..45W for the freezer, 25W for a laptop version of this Khadas waaaa
Can it be ran from a lipo battery? I see the data sheet for DC characteristics: 3.3v idk 🤷♂️ how to read data sheet like this. I guess a 3.7v will run it??
This chip had video encoder and decoders What i would like to see is if you can edit videos in desktop mode, something like kdenlive with plugins to tap into the decoders, as far as i know it is not yet possible to do it, but i hope i'm wrong. Can you check?
I don't understand how it's a fully supported USB c, with Display port, but won't support an external monitor with a single USB C cable? Supporting display port is not the same as dp alt mode?
Why these sbc manufacturers always distribute full os images when they can package their drivers and distribute those instead? It would be much easier for os major version upgrades.
Really love your reviews and overviews on arm based small form factor PCs and those devices android operating systems. Awesome specs within small form factor, 'which is pretty awesome!' @ETA PRIME
This seems great from a 'techie' standpoint, but I don't really understand the market they expect to target this at. As some noted, if you need a small form-factor desktop, you can get much more powerful x86-based systems with better integrated graphics for the same price. It's also going to provide a lot more versatility and better support than an ARM-based platform. Maybe this will be more efficient; but if it's about saving pennies, there isn't really a value proposition there. Very few people really wanting a true ARM-based SBC desktop replacement, when they realize they also need to make a lot of sacrifices to do it. If I were to buy this, it's because I had cash burning a hole in my pocket and just wanted to play around with it. There are better small form-factor, low power options with greater performance, versatility, and support than this for the price. I bought a Pi4 because it was reasonably inexpensive and is a lot of fun to play with for the price. This, I just can't see myself buying. ARM, even a powerful one with lots of memory, really needs to be at a discount to X86 based options to really be considered for desktop use cases. This isn't. Even for media playback including transcoding, x86 is still likely to be a better option.
looks solid for all rounder android tv box. if google drops the aging ADT-3, this seems the best candidate to replace it particularly because of its decoding capabilities and HDR
cool, but what's the use case at this price point? for the 300 bucks they're asking, any used hardware will deliver a better performance, if only at a bigger form factor. if this was a sub 100 USD computer, it would be very interesting.
Does anybody know if the 8GB model sacrifices any bandwidth? Is the difference 2x4GB vs 2x8GB or 1x8GB vs 2x8GB? I'd love to use one of these for that GPU and NPU combo, but memory bandwidth is a concern if it's single channel. I don't need more than 8GB, but if the bandwidth isn't there, it won't handle it well regardless.
Have to wonder if anyone has made a viable AndroidTV box with this? Every now and again I look around to find a viable replacement for the aging NVidia Shield. (Never mind Nvidia's tactics coming to light recently)
Was asking myself the same question. I've tried a few (chinese) android boxes, and none come close to my nvidia shield. The large pro for the shield is that they keep supporting it and optimising it. Whereas these android boxes usually just get pieced toghether and come as is... even though on paper they should give similar or even better performance, none of them actually deliver..
@@Mordaur IKR! I'd love to see an Android12 build with this, with working, full scale Netflix/Hulu/etc, and since this board is so powerful, full 4K emulation across the board! Guess we'd have to play the wait & see game.. 🫤
whould be intresting to make a 3-D printed laptop out of this, with like a 80wh battery ore someting crazy like that! whould it be possible to install chromeOS?
If you had the cooling and the power for it, how far could the rk3588 be pushed? Like if we strapped a cpu cooler to this, could you overclock the snot out of it?
What apps and games do you want to see running on this in the next video?
emulation of course!
I wonder if the android version have Google play support
apex legends and your personal favorite android apps
Can you run Batocera on it?
GDlauncher from pi-apps. try out fabulously optimized modpack. hopefully this board has any opengl drivers. does it use mesa with panfrost or proprietary drivers (glxinfo)?
reposted because UA-cam is deleting my comments...
I definitely want to see this chip turned into an Android car stereo, with the right screen and the right amplifier. I know it may sound overkill, but when you're using the maps app, spotify, car park cameras and other stuff, many "cheap" devices may let you down, crash apps, get slow... I would love to build one myself, but there are few singleboards that run android natively.
This would be awesome with t'eyes CC3 or Ownice k7 firmware
This thing could do it I bet! It already has the cammera connectors so... find a good frame that fits and get making? ;)
I have a Teyes cc3 clone and they sent me the 4gb ram version instead of 6 and it can get bogged down. This would be cool. I want to see a 21700 powered phone or tablet with this that could be used as an Android head unit
@@h8h81 what is the clone called??
@@garystinten9339 hengcheng pro s9. Not Teyes firmware just fyt uis7862
Is it just me, or is everything you review the most powerful X ever?
It’s called clickbait marketing, UA-cam suggests it to all monetized content creators to increase view count.
Really though, it’s just marketing period.
That tends to be how technology moves forward
@Torvaltz what's the fastest chip for consumers?
Is that a bad thing though?
he is climbing the ladder from the ground up and not skipping steps. . . Sounds like the way I would go myself.
Khadas badly needs to put in the work on keeping their website, documentation and downloads/images up to date. Really let's the excellent hardware down.
China do be like that
@@r3d2aku At least their handhelds are good
@@r3d2aku lol sometimes it be like that 😂
@@r3d2aku indeed
I was gonna ask what the community was like for these boards. At $300 its a hard sell without substantial support.
Given that the board has an NPU (6 TOPS, my guess 8-bit) the main use is probably for running neural networks, AI
Bingo
I'd love to see this thing put into a retro handheld. Mostly curious to see how the port management on the case would be handled as well as getting air into the device for cooling.
Dude there are so many small factor PCs that are getting better and better. I've been looking for an arm based sbc to hopefully make a mini retro all in one system.
i really don't understand why you need ARM specifically
@@linuxization4205 Power consumption concerns. Its easier and more efficient to use an ARM based system than X86 for an all in one. Sure I could get better performance, but I am not made of money.
@@linuxization4205 I can see your question though. Its completely valid. Why use an ARM based system when there are more powerful systems that can do it better? I am just looking out for my power bill since I would actually use it a lot. I game on my PC a lot, but I dont really need a top of the line PC when I can use a cheap system like this for emulation. Especially if it can do PS2 emulation. I could have my PC shut down and only use a fraction of the wattage.
@@linuxization4205 Its also about form factor as well. I like to keep things very small and tightly compact since I lived in my own room for the longest time with no other place to myself to keep my electronics. I've learned to compact and organize things. A small form factor like this would make it easy to hide and cable manage on a TV or under a Desk.
@@3v068 You can buy e.g. Dell Wyse 5070 that eats less power than RPI4.
I was also thinking about ARM pc's for homelab, but end up with 5 mentioned mini pc's, getting more performance for lower cost
If the price was a bit more in line with a pi this would make an awesome little retro console
fat chance. RPi still uses 4x A53 cores and the VC6 GPU barely improved over VC4 and don't mention how finnicky to get video acceleration running without customised Chromium/Firefox builds. Even if it works, there's still dropped frames. RPi's are cheap for a reason
300 dollar on their website... not even comparable with a pi considering the -price.( the 8Gb is 200 dollar which makes that one cheaper than the ShieldTV !)
I mean it kind if is... pi4 is quad core.. so this having 8 cores..... this is like 2 pis stuck together.. pi 4 8gb is 75.. so two of them 150.. this is faster too without being overclocked.. and has 64gb of emmc...
I see also the price as the biggest hindrance. You cannot just take the board you also have to add the cooler and a case - that puts an additional price-tag to it.
@@tomokig2655 What is the estimated price, exactly? Do u know?
I would love to see something like this but with more ports (like 2.5g eth, pcie 4x slot, etc, all of these are supported by that chip).
Video drivers are kind of a big thing here, currently we don't have great drivers that really take advantage of that gpu. It took a long time for the RK3399 to get proper open source drivers working, this is going to take quite some time as well IMO. Maybe next year we get improvements and better boards with more I/O
Yeah the datasheet says the chip has 4 pcie lanes. But they have implemented them. Also can take ddr5 but they've gone with ddr4, and slow ddr4 at that.
@@marcusk7855 oh you are right, forgot that part. Maybe we don't see them with ddr5 yet because support is iffy and only works on dram that isn't really available right now with current supply chain issues. (i'm just guessing)
@@ezforsaken just saw the Rockpi 5 says it'll have the same chip with 2 x M.2(M & E keys) and ram @ 4.2Ghz so I'll hold out for that.
The current issue with all RK3588s based boards is that they’re limited to using the Android aimed branched kernel that RockChip maintain that is (as far as I know) way behind mainline. This limits support for things like Vulkan and less optimised OpenGL support. Luckily it seems mainline is having support added, which will open the door for way better distributions.
Can't be too far behind if it's running 22.04. You can't use an ancient kernel with the latest & greatest Ubuntu packages/libraries/etc., because eventually you'll run into issues, like some library uses some feature that doesn't exist in such an old kernel.
EDIT:
As for OGL and Vulkan. As long as the drivers are up to date an older kernel shouldn't matter. I'm guessing RockChip writes the driver. Really depends when they're updated for the performance of those things. If the driver is just as old as the kernel then yeah, might get annoying that you're behind. But if the driver is pretty modern, just on an old kernel? Still sounds like a good deal.
@@MrSlowestD16 They have, AFAIK, merged updates and patches, so it's technically not that far behind, but means it's also not entirely "up to date", and being closed source means it's a gamble as to what may or may not be there and work. Its annoying, I wish they'd just push their stuff to mainline, but seems there's a dedicated group of people doing it for them so it'll get there.
Do remember, all the the BSDs work great on the 3399 :) We got the real kernel on our download page.
I'm very interested in buying a few of these. I'll need to look into the specs but power consumption and video processing are critical to my projects.
I will test total power consumption in the next video.
@@bulletpunch9317 - Probably not because it needs to be portable and run off a battery.
@@bulletpunch9317 - There's a possibility but I'm not sure I want to pay for the privilege of having Apple ARM silicon.
@@ETAPRIME Great!
The PS2 emu was impressive 😮 can we possibly see Redream premium running and see how high the open gL will comfortably upscale things like Daytona USA, Sega Rally, MSR, Dead or Alive 2, the house of the dead 2 etc
we need more of these thin sbcs
It's awesome to see how fast it all go's with new single board pc's.
Buddy... This SoC was announced over 4 years ago 🙄
For $200 you can get a decent x86 system. And you’re approaching the panda boards in price.
I am seeing a price of $299 on Amazon. It´s a nice board, but I can get a Ryzen Mini PC with APU for that price, which is way stronger.
I saw it for $299 also. I might get it if it was $179 like someone else commented. But I think they were mistaken.
@@michaelhaas7313 There seems to be a 200 dollar version also with 8 Gb
I've been waiting for a good look at this one. I REALLY wished it had a MicroSD slot. I was all set to preorder the Pro model until I noticed no MicroSD slot.
Now, I'll think on it a while. I would be buying the model with case. I need to see a review with the new case before I buy at all.
You think you could build a handheld console using this? I mean, it is a great performer, and knowing it is arm based SBC might give a real shot at it
I mean...power would be a real issue, it'd require a hefty battery and you probably wouldn't get great battery life. Might be on par w/ the Steam Deck. Honestly though, by time you spend money and time on materials, a 3D printed shell, a screen, controls etc you'd probably be better off just buying an entry level Steam Deck.
@@FamousWolfe yeah, but it could be a fun project to do😅
Khadas is mostly for commercial applications like touch screens. All their board are customizable. They are big in the design of kiosks etc.
I'd love a sbc that can multimonitor, and run Jellyfin. And to know how many 1080p jellyfin streams it could support.
This SBC is almost perfect. The only thing that's missing is the M.2 slot. 😯
This. I want M.2 minimum on my next SBC.
kind of insane though the performance. all they need is more IO like nvme and better usb-c
even sd support would have been nice
Mekotronics R58x ? Ive installed a Samsung 980 Pro in it and it works great
I can feel how happy you are because of the update.
The technology of these boards is evolving rapidly.
🤔ETA... man i gotta say this to you. This is definitely one of my favorite tech channels because you not only have tutorials on things to learn and I'm actually actively learning some more new things from you but there is no elitism you don't scoff you don't shame like other channels. They just seem to have an attitude. Yours is very welcoming and I enjoy your content. Sub for life.
P.S. many people have officially lost the ability to play retail retroarch mode on the series consoles I am unfortunately a casualty after I did have it up and running and I was resetting some stuff and realized I couldn't get back in this little device here definitely gets my gears turning on a little device I can carry with me and blow up on a TV if I want.
I'm also new to emulation in a complicated lane. Vs simple stuff in the past. I have no prior smarts or schooling on computing or really knowing the ins and outs of everything but I am learning. For a noob I'm greatful for this space ❤
This is so cool. I could imagine it carrying around together with my iPad Pro and the Magic Keyboard. I mainly use it for reading papers and writing assignments, but now I can do some coding on the go with it.
As someone who has been wanting to make an emulation handheld out of a switch lite, this sounds perfect, super thin, super powerful, display connections, this could be very interesting
And because most of the Io is on one side of the board, I could also create a dock for it to make it even more similar to the switch
Very nice SBC, however, compared to the Pi, the price is more in line with a low cost small form factor desktop x86. I do like the direction manufacturers are headed. Good video.
That board is so Cool thank you for all your reviews !
Please also test DAW like Cubasis 3 or Roland Zenbeats on Android for music production. As I'm seeing integrating this to my midi controller.
holy crap thats fast the loading is insane
I can just sit here and listen to ETA PRIME saying OOWOW all day.. LOL
Agree; alt mode on that type c port would make this perfect
The problem with 4 and 8 k probably is that YT uses av1 here.. maybe you can get 4K videos in h.265 I guess they have a hw decoder for the latter
Could you please made a poll if people would be interested in Plex server test in you reviews? Appreciate your work so far!
Well, Boards with a LAN connector seem to be available as well, like i see in your link, as aaaalways, great review 😀
Currently using a pi4 8gb as a home desktop, this board would be an awesome upgrade.
Such long time I'm waiting to get rk3588 based board (rock5B just keep being delayed).
I would have jump into this one if it had provided a bit more I/O like M.2 ports:
- one for adding NVMe because onboard storage is very small (32GB or 64GB): how do you manage to use as main desktop PC with that storage?
- Ideally another M.2 ports for adding 4G modem and make it server + router desktop mini pc
Hopefully more models should be available soon...
Youve probably considered a Mekotronics R58x. Why noy buy that?
@@jhyog yeah had considered that one too. I probably dismissed because of slightly higher price ( 290$ vs 220$ in 16GB or 170$ in 8GB) and also powered from jack instead of USB-C. otherwise still a good alternative if not willing to wait for rock5b release.
I am just waiting for someone to make a laptop with this board.
I feel like how amazing this is is completely going over people's heads. I wanna print an og nds housing for this badboy slap an irblaster on it and have a dope retro gaming web browsing remote control
Imagine this power in a portable and affordable device.
Knowing how much you love small form factor and modern versions of single board computers would you be interested in doing a build using ISA, VL Bus, and PCI Intel and AMD based single board computers? Those will run DOS, Linux, Windows right out of the box. Plus you can connect them to passive back planes with up to 20 expansion slots on the board. Add any number of HDDs, SSDs, optical drives, expansion cards, etc.
This lady made our dinner awkward.. ahh good times. but seriously this sbc looks awesome, now i want one.
This just screams.....make me into a handheld! This and a small battery management board for a battery, a display and controls...boom awesome!
I'm putting this in a project, a Linux Console I'm building... It's perfect!
You should do a video with the RK3588s boards that have an m.2 slot using an epgu. Linux has amdgpu support on arm and 6.2 added a lot of arm support for RDNA3 chips.
Need this to replace a flaky Nvidia shield or 2 looks amazing.
Are these like the other SBC's and don't actually exist to consumers seen a few that looked really promising but none were actually available for purchase.
Hi, You can buy it on our store or amazon store.
I'd love to see a Tilt Five run on one of these SBCs
Can you show benchmarks comparing this board with an intel i3?.
The possibilities for personal use on the go for this type of product niche is almost limitless.
Please do geekbench test.
Why haven't we seen a pie pro, I'd like something that uses the same Apu but upgrades ports, and upgrades the power intake.
Babe wake up,a new Raspberry Pi competitor just dropped.
I would have loved a 2.5Gbps lan on this. Thus turning it into a monster home server.
This seems like a pretty cool product. My main issue with it is the three camera connectors. Connecting 3 cameras to such a device is going to be pretty niche. If one of these connection points could have been hooked up to run a screen that would have been far more usefull.
Dude it's a surveillance board reference design. You don't need screens on those
They also make the tone and tone 2 which are both top tier dacs
Hi, great video review. How much better is this than the old Nvidia Shield TV? It's tiny
this would work so good for a standalone VR headset
hey ETA. great video. really appreciate all of them. I'm from Trinidad. can you recommend a good display for this board. glad it you can
For the price on Amazon, really wish it came with a case and power adapter. Maybe it's just me.
Can you show us some dolphin emulation and Vulkan performance? Does this board use Mesa drivers?
Nice demonstration, thanks.
For the price point and features Its a grate board!!! I will be buying one soon.
Thank God they are starting to put proper installers on these things. The whole weird iso image processes that for some weird reason has become the standard is such a pain.
Once upon a time, everyone gave you disks, and on these discs were the installers of your operating systems. But then one day we all decided those discs were too big, took up too much space and were too slow, and it was cumbersome to buy more expensive disks, and burn them all the time. So we turned to USB and flash, But we needed something to be compatible with both, ISOs are the result.
Oooohh this thing looks dope. Might have to try to snag one of these.
That thing is a damn credit card!
I'd love to see a full emulation video on Ubuntu for this. I hate Android for emu boxes because there's inevitably going to be some config tweaks required and it's just a lot easier to crack open a terminal and have full filesystem access and no ro partitions or sandboxing or anything of that nature. The tweaking is a lot easier on a normal Linux desktop, IMO. But generally out-of-the-box Android performance is better, so there's that... But that PS2 perf is quite nice.
Curious how something like this would stack up against the Jetson Nano - you have one of those, don't you? The Jetson Nano isn't well supported anymore since the next revision is coming out next year.
damn this thing opened up that web browser quicker than my full on gaming pc lol
Oh wow. I wonder what the power consumption is like. This could be something that could be implemented in custom mobile gaming devices to great effect. Also, typical stuff is of interest. SteamOS? Windows + Games? How would that fare?
I'd plug a basic NVMe drive into the fastest USB port for OS and storage. I wonder how long that could be run off a battery bank? If they fitted an M2 slot, even the little size one, this thing would be brilliant. I could put one inside a keyboard and make my own 1980s style micro-computer, one that can become every 1980s micro-computer I want it to be.
@@darthwiizius like the Pi keyboard computer thing. But much better.
Awesome
Would you please share keyboard details which you are using its attractive and compact
You're probably stuck in Balanced Power Mode rather than Performance Power Mode. Had the same issue with Ubuntu I installed on an Asus cn60 Chromebox. Dropped frames at 1080p playback until after I made the change. Had to go command line to change it as the gui didn't offer me performance power mode.
RockChip RK3588S's 8-core 64-bit has a 4×Cortex-A76 and 4×Cortex-A55 layout.
I'm old but try to keep tech savvy. This is amazing. My guess is you could get an adapter to add an SSD and video card.
it would be fun to see it to use in an emulation station for retro gaming .
How was the emulation in the main menu of GT? Mine stutters like crazy and I'm on an i7 7800x and a RTX 3070ti!!!
I’d love to see an ARM hackintosh, this seems to have about as much power as the m1
LOOKS GREAT THANKS 👍
Audio processing ?? This seems ideal as a base for an HTPC, what onboard audio decoding does it feature ?
This would be a perfect phone if i could connect a 6" mipi touch display easily. Just wrap the battery+khadas pack in a silicone rubber band like the iphone aluminium frame.
It looks really awesome but I really don't get the layout of ports.
Hey! Ive been looking into buying one of these but find it hard to find more in-depth reviews of gaming/emulation. Was hoping that you could do an in-depth test of it. Cheers!
For 170$ it seems great. I could see myself 3D modeling on Blender, playing PS2 games, browsing the internet, watching movies & shows on this thing. Can be easily powered by a small solar panel alongside a small 12v freezer. Yea its nice! ..45W for the freezer, 25W for a laptop version of this Khadas waaaa
Can it be ran from a lipo battery?
I see the data sheet for DC characteristics: 3.3v idk 🤷♂️ how to read data sheet like this. I guess a 3.7v will run it??
The whole Ethernet think really killed this board for things like a reliable cluster
This chip had video encoder and decoders What i would like to see is if you can edit videos in desktop mode, something like kdenlive with plugins to tap into the decoders, as far as i know it is not yet possible to do it, but i hope i'm wrong. Can you check?
I don't understand how it's a fully supported USB c, with Display port, but won't support an external monitor with a single USB C cable?
Supporting display port is not the same as dp alt mode?
Will you try windows arm64 ? Maybe there aren't drivers for it, but if they are that'd be interesting to see
Is it true that it doesn't run well with 2 monitors with Wayland ?? Or does it support 2 monitor on Wayland at all ?
Why these sbc manufacturers always distribute full os images when they can package their drivers and distribute those instead? It would be much easier for os major version upgrades.
Really love your reviews and overviews on arm based small form factor PCs and those devices android operating systems. Awesome specs within small form factor, 'which is pretty awesome!'
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This seems great from a 'techie' standpoint, but I don't really understand the market they expect to target this at. As some noted, if you need a small form-factor desktop, you can get much more powerful x86-based systems with better integrated graphics for the same price. It's also going to provide a lot more versatility and better support than an ARM-based platform. Maybe this will be more efficient; but if it's about saving pennies, there isn't really a value proposition there. Very few people really wanting a true ARM-based SBC desktop replacement, when they realize they also need to make a lot of sacrifices to do it. If I were to buy this, it's because I had cash burning a hole in my pocket and just wanted to play around with it. There are better small form-factor, low power options with greater performance, versatility, and support than this for the price. I bought a Pi4 because it was reasonably inexpensive and is a lot of fun to play with for the price. This, I just can't see myself buying. ARM, even a powerful one with lots of memory, really needs to be at a discount to X86 based options to really be considered for desktop use cases. This isn't. Even for media playback including transcoding, x86 is still likely to be a better option.
looks solid for all rounder android tv box. if google drops the aging ADT-3, this seems the best candidate to replace it particularly because of its decoding capabilities and HDR
cool, but what's the use case at this price point? for the 300 bucks they're asking, any used hardware will deliver a better performance, if only at a bigger form factor. if this was a sub 100 USD computer, it would be very interesting.
Does anybody know if the 8GB model sacrifices any bandwidth? Is the difference 2x4GB vs 2x8GB or 1x8GB vs 2x8GB? I'd love to use one of these for that GPU and NPU combo, but memory bandwidth is a concern if it's single channel. I don't need more than 8GB, but if the bandwidth isn't there, it won't handle it well regardless.
do you think an RPI would or could come close in comparison to this SBC like an rpi 5 or 6,?
The Edge 2 is not at the Amazon link.
This is what I want for a laptop.
Have to wonder if anyone has made a viable AndroidTV box with this?
Every now and again I look around to find a viable replacement for the aging NVidia Shield. (Never mind Nvidia's tactics coming to light recently)
Was asking myself the same question. I've tried a few (chinese) android boxes, and none come close to my nvidia shield. The large pro for the shield is that they keep supporting it and optimising it. Whereas these android boxes usually just get pieced toghether and come as is... even though on paper they should give similar or even better performance, none of them actually deliver..
@@Mordaur IKR! I'd love to see an Android12 build with this, with working, full scale Netflix/Hulu/etc, and since this board is so powerful, full 4K emulation across the board!
Guess we'd have to play the wait & see game.. 🫤
the fan can be in issue for some trying to get it in a waterproof case
whould be intresting to make a 3-D printed laptop out of this, with like a 80wh battery ore someting crazy like that!
whould it be possible to install chromeOS?
wat, this is an entire pc :0
If you had the cooling and the power for it, how far could the rk3588 be pushed? Like if we strapped a cpu cooler to this, could you overclock the snot out of it?
i would love to see this running batocera