The Sigma: The Most Powerful Single Board Windows PC
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Dave demos and benchmarks the new LattePanda Sigma single-board computer, which features 12 cores, 16 threads, 16GB RAM, 500GB Storage, dual 2.5Gn NICs, dual 10Gb USB, dual 40Gb Thunderbolt, and much more! For my book on ASD: amzn.to/42ykB2i
And it can run Doom!
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Note that the WD drive is in a PCIe-4.0x4 slot whereas the Samsung is in a PCIe-3.0x4 slot, so the perf numbers reflect the M.2 slot performance and should not be used to compare the drives.
Errata: At one point I say the CPU has 8 perf cores and 4 economy cores - I said it backwards. It's 4 perf cores (hyperthreaded) plus 8 economy cores.
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As always, all content and opinions are mine only, (c) 2022 Plummer's Software LLC. I am not now nor have I ever been a spokesperson for Microsoft, and retired from my technical role almost 20 years ago.
Update: I've had a report of a Sigma failing after being powered by USB-C, and the email from Latte Pande advises "only power with the power supply supplied LattePanda." It worked fine for me, but it appears their USB-C implementation must have a fault if they are advising against its use. - Наука та технологія
It's honestly astounding how small and portable powerful solutions are getting. It's been my dream since I was a kid playing with my GBP that I'd have something in my pocket that could watch movies, play 3D games and such. We're in the future as far as I'm concerned.
We're always in the future.
A bit off-topic, but with what's being done today in AI and space exploration, I'm convinced that we're well into the future.
I'm so far past having my mind blown by our capabilities
@@brandonakey6616 *We're always in the present
I think it's faster than my Xeon Silver 4216 storinator! No PCIe slots though... but I could daisy-chain eGPUs and put the HBAs in there!
@@jimbotron70 ACKSHUALLY, we're always in the past. Latency between the actual universe, our I/O and processing of it means we're perpetually behind the times of real life. Kinda like I'm way behind all of your months-old comments!
This is an excellent opportunity for you to spin off a second channel that I would be incredibly interested in. Independant, unbiased reviews from an expert are difficult to find. Paid reviews that are more an education of a product or product tours would be perfectly fine as well as long as they are very clearly labeled and presented as such.
You are my new favorite channel, keep up the amazing work!!
We need an audiobook version of that book, Dave. I know you're a busy man, and you may not have time to record it. But I would absolutely buy it if you released an audiobook version.
Yes please. In fact if you could record it yourself then I'm sure you would do a splendid job. Failing that use your fame and prestige to ask Wil Wheaton or R C Bray to do the honors for you 😉
I was just thinking the exact same thing. Dave would be a phenomenal narrator of his own book.
I’ve mostly finished the book but would happily pay again for the privilege to listen instead
Could we get AI with a Dave personality module to 'read' it?
@@uploadJ sounds like illegal use of a persons likeness or something. I wouldn’t risk it
Absolutely love the presentation here Dave …
I have an ‘old’ Lattepanda Alpha from when they did the original kickstarter and it has been absolutely fantastic - I’ve used it in a 3D printed enclosure that I knocked up on TinkerCAD and can just throw it in my bag with a 12v wall wart and it’s my portable PC that I can just plug in a keyboard, mouse and monitor wherever I am.
I’d seen that the Sigma was out - it’s a fairly ‘robust’ price but I suspect I’ll end up getting one at some point …
I am still waiting for my Hackboard2 from their Indegogo project and that will end up strapped to the back of my 27” touchscreen which I use as an oversized UI to Roon (that currently runs on an HP 800 Desktop Mini).
Anyway - great review Dave, I really like the presentation. Hope you’ll do more … :-)
The Delta 3 isn't so bad either. Close to the power of Alpha but a lot cheaper and you can use an external GPU almost as well.
I love this little computer and all of its stupidly overpowered customizable functionality. I would say this would make the ultimate micro home server (and probably still would) if it was not for its $700 price tag... Actually that is a cool idea for a video project, turn this thing into the ultimate home server! Just throw everything you can at it and see what it can do.
I ordered one and it came in a few days ago. Everything works pretty much the same way it did in the video. Amazing little machine.
You are the first person on YT that I fully believe the review is unbiased. 😀 Good stuff
You are a VERY good presenter. You keep the relevent info flowing and you're very knowledgable of computer tech, benchmarking, and of the products you are reviewing 🙂
at sea level sir
Just want to say that I enjoy everything you've been posting, Dave, and really appreciate the variety of videos. Keep it up 👍🏽👍🏽
Thanks very much!
It's crazy how powerful singleboard and micro form factors are getting. Its a really exciting time for processing power.
Agreed. They could be a good replacement for using a laptop in flexible work spaces. All you need is a screen or two, a mouse and a keyboard, supplied through 1 or 2 usb cables (that also supply power), and you're up and running.
And if you also want to game on it at home, you could add an external GPU docking station to it, which you can leave at home, since you most likely won't need it at work.
It beats a laptop, since those are more expensive due to the inclusion of a screen (that's at the wrong height, ergonomically speaking), keyboard (that usually is also has ergonomic problems and a weird layout around the arrow keys/numpad) and trackpad (which you don't need if a mouse is available).
It really is! I know Intel Arrow Lake CPU's are going to have an iGP as powerful as a GTX 1080!!
@BingBingWahoo I've seen the rumors! Same for AMD's Strix Halo, I mean, it definitely makes sense for OEMs to want AMD/Intel to make better integrated gfx systems to they can advertise the massive boosts in battery life as well as not have to pay the Nvidia tax. I forsee this trend getting far greater as time goes on as Nvidia loses its grip on pricing reality. RDNA3 and ARC's encoders are damn good now too, so you won't even need an Nvidia chip for multimedia work once they bring more products to market. Can't come soon enough, I say.
AMD APUs were always way stronger than what intel puts out like typically 2x or more.
@@Cypeq true, but Intel has gotten a lot better with their integrated gpu since they released Alchemist
good addition for the mobile radio van or a 9 axis CNC milling machine (auto load unload, tool change and that does a visual inspection using multiple cameras and stores the raw data)..
Very interesting. Thank you.
Are there any cases for that thing? I have a couple of potential use situations for that, but I need to put it in something! Enjoyed the review, btw.
You can 3d print one
@@CosmicHaven1 can the OP though?
@@sirdewd2197 idk
The first and probably biggest use case I can think of is Cyberdeck building. Since the majority of the computer stuff is in a small self-contained package, it makes it easier to focus on stuff like peripherals and durability.
Oh that desk warms my heart. A scope and an Imsai? But wasn't that before your time.? I have a Sol Technology micro in my garage. It was the first micro I got to have total control over. All the other engineers fiddled with the Imsai. This was 77 or 78.
Excellent review, Dave! Your review was way better than most!
@Dave's Garage
Please try some FFmpeg encoding testing. That Iris Xe with 80EU's is a transcoding beast, this could make a great Proxmox node with all the ARR's in docker along Plex or Jellyfin fed from a separate NAS. I have a 1235u with the same GPU running Blue Iris/CPAI with 24/7 no substream recording on a dozen 5mp 1440P cameras @5fps and the CPU is ~40% with the GPU ~30% all while only using ~26w at the wall with a 14TB WD Purple drive. I run Frigate along with a Coral in another 1235U that is running bare metal HA using the substreams for notification's and automations and it sit's ~20w all while dealing with ~130 devices split between the Zwave, Zigbee, wifi, 433mhz, and BLE protocol's. I am very happy with the efficiency as I get everything in place but I already see some places where I can squeeze out a fare bit more. This rebuild all started as part of a desire to go solar this year and part of that was gauging usage and trimming the fat so the dual socket servers had to go.
Stumbled here , great review with relevant testing.
Worth my time
Thanks
Small dryer plug maybe Australian 😊
i really like your way to review everything! CLEAN AND STRAIGHT TO THE POINT. thanks !
I think if you swap those SSD's over then the 980 Pro being PCIe 4 will be a lot faster once you place it into a PCIe 4.0 x 4 port rather than PCIe 3.0
I assume it'd still boot, too... I should swap them and retest!
@@DavesGarage I also noticed - at least in the video - you didn't attach/use the heat transfer sticky pad for your 980, but I also am not sure you really ran enough disk activity to heat the SSDs up all that much... just something I noticed is all :)
I wish we had computers like these when I was a kid. I remember having so many ideas for all sorts of mechanisms, gadgets or robots but didn't have a clue how to make a computer control anything in the real world. Schools would sometimes have simple control boxes that connected over serial but I never had any idea how to get such a thing, and nothing like the arduino IDE existed. I wonder what kind of hardware hacking I might be capable of now if I'd been able to play and experiment with GPIOs back then .
The piano backdrop music made this video so relaxing 🥺
Now this is an extremely impressive device.. It checks a lot if not every box.. Intel NIC, fast RAM, decent GPU, extensibility, thunderbolt and as you benchmarked does very well.... Very tempting and pretty much beats the Intel 13th gen Pro NUC as far as I can see and then some.... Pricing is still on the very steep end I suppose but then again, that is the market these days
£550 with 500gb ssd + wifi 6e? not bad.
This does show that a rather powerful device should be put in a vr headset very soon.
This is a lot of power packed into a tiny board!
i love how this mini computer era coming, do we have mini gpu already?
"i forgot bring my laptop, but that's ok, i have my flagship pc with gpu right here in my pocket"
it's gonna be perfect
An excellent review of the Sigma. Thank you.
Hey Dave, I realise I am a little late to the party and this may have been said already. The first plug you returned to the box is the British plug design. Lastly, I love your content (and task manager lol) please keep doing what you do.
im thinking of adding this to my GR supra. datalogging, tune flashing, obd2 diagnostics, google maps, websurfing video gaming for passenger.
The big three prong plug is from the UK. One of the safest plug and wall socket systems in the world.
I wouldn't mind seeing a standard mini-ITX motherboard with that hardware config.
I absolutely don't need one of these. But I'm sure as hell going to buy one. Might as well upgrade my RV main server. 🤷♂️
Fyi the power supply leads are British (square profiled prongues one) and Euro (standard across most of Europe), not specifically German.
I was going to go down the LattePanda path then decided to go with a Erying Mini ITX solution with an Intel 12700H cpu built in. The whole build with a dedicated low profile GPU for me came out about the same price as just one LattePanda board.
This looks to be a good solution for someone on solar power.
Thanks very much Dave, very useful review indeed
It's an i5 1340p on a tiny board, the laptop version of the 13400. It appears very well designed and produced, and seems to allow that 1340 to saturate it's power targets.
Generally speaking, I like your presentation style. Sometimes you lose me on the higher complexity topics, but I’m sure you reach many people. Thank you for keeping it classy. Some channels I used to be able to watch with my young daughter have for whatever reason decided to increase or start cursing, That’s generally not a skill our young ones need to develop too early. Lol.
Take a look at the OneDock eGPU adapter. Doesn't need a huge thing like the razer any more.
12:09 - God bless you, you've got an IMSAI 8080 in the center of your shot!
Now to find and excuse for me to buy this ontop of all else I have
$579 for an SBC? Latte Panda guys must be smoking that weed. You can EASILY build a pc for that price that will run circles around this thing.
Interesting.
Cool.
Impractical.
Expensive AF for what you get.
However, I'm always glad to see your take on tech. Keep up the good work!
Can you do it for 60 Watts?
You can easily build a PC for that price, but can you build a PC that takes up as much space as a SMC, runs on only 60 watts, is as quiet as this one, is reliable, and keep in inside that budget?
@@dakiloth And about 15W idle. That's not easy with out of the box hardware.
i5 13th gen 12 cores I have not seen any computer with this cost 500 or less.
The framework i5-1340p laptop board retails for 449usd in their website, the Sigma comes with some extras in a smaller package, i think the price is about right, this is a great board for high end NAS systems, emulation machines up to six generation consoles and some Taito X2 arcades. it is so powerful that you can run a NAS, Plex video transcode and run a windows on a VM at the same time.
Excellent review, your a natural
Great info! Need to purchase this pc!
Dave should have a millions subs❤
Wow, that's really cool. Will consider picking up this or a weaker model as a home server/arduino tinkering setup.
Imagine this thing had dual eMMC 128GB
This could be a monster-micro file server, with mirrored NVMe, and then an optane drive as cache, or 3xM.2 in ZFS Z2 for more storage.
Imagine it had a 2.5G+10G network port it would be a great firewall+steamcache, though my problem is that you probably dont want to run your firewall, on the same hardware you're using for steamcache, and whatever you're controlling with GPIO.
Neat 😎. Only Downfall (no 32gb or 64gb ram option) this would be a killer specs to play as VM Server. Even a Proxmox Mini Cluster for the price of a Lung and 2 legs.
The fact you could theoretically connect an eGPU 4090 and that tiny thing becomes a gaming powerhouse is crazy to think.
I'd love to shove that in an old Epc lappy for an upgrade. Although something tells me things aren't cheap
really enjoyed this one; thanks for your time-investment
You have very good taste - Wera
why am I just discovering Dave's Garage?!? Great video, just subscribed!
We've been keeping it secret from you until you were ready. Like the aliens that live amongst us :-)
The Ultimate PFSense Christmas tree.
I'm waiting for the ryzen 7040 framework boards, though we might see some Z1 SBC from other vendors soon too.
(the 780m igpu on the 7840 and Z1 extreme should be about twice as fast as the xe on the sigma)
what will you do with such powerful 780m ipgu?
Keep punchin thi board Dave. It is a very interesting bit of kit. Can it run top end audio DAWs like cubase.?
That panda is REALLY cute. I want one!
I think that a cool project might be use one of this boards to upgrade an old laptop internals
This is super cool but Im struggling to figure out a use case for all that power for the purpose these serve for hobbiests, especially at that price point.
8 p cores and 4 e cores would make it exactly the core layout of the 12700 and that chip has 20 threads, this one has 4 p cores and 8 e cores for 16 total threads.
Very cool. Shared to others.
The GPU OpenCL score is a little less than half that of a 970 GTX, which is not bad for integrated graphics. It's not going to be a 1080p powerhouse for modern games but it's good enough for some decent casual gaming and would be great for emulation.
This is great for a serious ROS robot project
Man, that thing is so fast. I need one of those to host my JavaScript web app
Thanks for calling it "small drier" and not "UK". It's a really widespread plug, and most are actually up to the (slightly higher) Republic of Ireland spec!
This SBC really has the sigma grindset
considering the prices of (scalped) raspberry pi's these days this is definitely better value
What was the price of this? Don't know how I missed it.
@@THE-X-Force about 600usd
@@wishusknight3009 Thank you friend ☮
@@THE-X-Force its linked in the description! and there are other models as well
@@wishusknight3009 OK THANK YOU!
Now if the Sigma had a canbus adapter for the underdash of my car to make it able to alter my vehicles engine computer any way I wish it's value would raise significantly, especially with water breaking software for power alteration for much better fuel economy.
Dave has the consumer powerhouse 5700 xt, niice 🙏😌
Not bad, but it should have a SFP+ port as well.
I don't *really* need a new video card.... lol, thanks for sharing!
IIRC, the first plug is British, but the second one I have no idea unless it's a European plug.
Imagine having a Windows phone with the power of a Workstation PC.
It should not be a problem as the ACER TC220 have WIFI antennas on the front behind the facia and at the back covered by a cover.
I need this.
This will be absolute fire for 3d printers
Thank you Mr Plummer, another interesting and thoughtful video.
(edited, as my fingers are nearly as fat as my head)
You're welcome, Whoreus. Did you misspell my name intentionally? ;-)
@@DavesGarage No Sir, I am dyslexic and sometimes it plays naughty games with me. It is quite funny on occasions though. Have a great week. lol
It's not "hackable", it has a closed UEFI BIOS, closed source CPU microcode, and a closed source bootloader running a closed source OS out the box. A ThinkPad X220 is "Hackable" because you can load Libreboot on it and run programs from there at an extremely low level, below even the CPU itself. The Sigma just has an Arduino on-board, that's not "hackable", nor has it been "hackable" the last 3 times LattePanda did that. I could tuck an ESP32-S2 inside my laptop's case with exposed GPIO and tap off the unused USB pins on the chipset, but that still wouldn't be "hackable".
They could call it "Integration friendly", which definitely is what it's actually built for, or even "hacking friendly" if they want to stretch it a bit, but it's not "hackable".
definitely try hooking a 4090 up to it using an m.2 slot
Nice review , however the product itself is subpar to any mini pc on the market be it in pricing or reliability. Makes me wonder who is the targeted market for this piece ?
Great video Dave, but the 1340p have 4 performance cores and 8 efficient cores not the other way around (12:18) but still very informative and entertaining video.
That thing fits 12 times in my 4090.
Are the PCI lanes being split between the peripherals? Would be interesting to see if so what the ssd would do as one ssd
I know what I'm getting for Christmas
i guess Marco Reps's guess was correct^^
lattepanda *"SIGMA"*
The first power cable was UK-spec. Source: I live in UK
Good ol' Harbor Freight power monitor.
Audiobook please please please!
When bench testing started..my brain exploded 😞
WD black installed as default? What?
have you also tested the Intel NUC13ANKi5 with the same processor, similar interfaces and a case and less power consumption?
First cable is the British plug.
Was that Myst on the screen when you were testing rhe GPU?
I'd like to see how the AMD version would stack up. I have a version of this made by ASUS that's older but it has fewer IO ports.
You are a Jeff Bridges' lookalike and you got a voice👍
@Dave. What programs did you use for the various benchmarks?
...now i want to know how that thing would run games like stellaris, hearts of iron 4 and RimWorld.
I know you do not typically do reviews, and understand that you might not have access to this gear but...5950x and M1 are 4years old we have been at the 7950x and M2 for about 2years now and Apple is about to transition to M3. This computer seems actively incredible but the price performance claims are not accurate to what is currently available in the market... more appropriate perhaps would be to compare it to other single board computers with GPIO such as the many ARM and RISC V options as well as other X86 ones... such as the orange pi, raspberry pi 5, Odroid, Tinker Board, UDUU Bolt, Le Potato, etc...
But can it run Crysis?
I was about to write this. Good work.
Why Windows on the title? Linux Rocks.
Testing it out as an actual computer is cool and all but what odd uses could you put it to? Or has there been an update to this showing off the different projects you've used it for? ETAPrime's UA-cam channel uses these SBCs to test game console emulation for older technologies no longer sold. But he also tests out more recent games for Steam, Windows, Android with them as well.
Just a heads-up, the panda is a USB drive.