Why 3U unless you REALLY need something specific to fill out your rack? 2U and 4U/5U are the sweet spots. - 2U fits 80mm fans. [1] - 4U fits 120mm fans. And also full-height PCIe cards. - 5U is a weird edge case. Much less common, but the extra height is useful for fitting taller CPU coolers and over-height GPUs. There is nothing WRONG with 3U. But they are less common, so more expensive. They also don't provide much more than 2U. [1] Barely. But the point is that 2U goes out of it's way to fit 80mm. 3U designs, even though they are 50% taller, are NOT designed to fit the 50% bigger 120mm fans.
@@Prophes0r I ended up buying the 4U and I love it! I only have 25RUs to work with but after looking at the pros and cons 4U was a good choice for my situation. Here's what sold me on the 4U version over the 3U: -The 4U version has enough space to mount 40mm fans above the PCIE slots to add a little extra air-flow for 10g NICs and GPUs and -The 4U version can use a standard ATX PSU(which I already owned) The 3U version of this case can actually use up to 3 120mm fans and take full height PCIE devices. If I was going to do a similar build from scratch and didn't need extra headroom/cooling for multiple PCIE devices I might go for the 3U. Whatever someone's looking for I highly recommend this case. Solid build quality, great airflow, and they're the nicest looking rack mount DIY chassis I've seen on a non-enterprise chassis.
Remember that only the MOST expensive Ketchup & Mustard PCs bothered to finish the edges of their sheet metal. Those rose-colored-glasses might just be tinted with the blood of thousands of sliced hands and cut up knuckles.
With a maximum CPU cooler height of 158mm how did you get on with installing the DeepCool AK620? It's 160mm in height but you didn't appear to encounter any issues.
It's all going to depend on whether you're planning on going Intel or AMD. If you're going AMD, take a look at the B550 motherboards, like this one here from MSi: amzn.to/3KbHalr. Consider joining our Discord and asking questions there, there are plenty of people with opinions on what sorta hardware and build you could go with!
@@2GuysTek should i just ignore the 1 star reviews because thats why i cant get a mother board or anything else. All the reviews at saying the product is trash.
Cool case. The empty box desc is a blank canvas to me. 😁🤓 My inexpensive Rosewill case has a bit of flex too. Once the lid is on though it's plenty rigid. Uww they make hot swap drive bay versions. Will have to check them out. 👍 Maybe they are less $ than a supermicro chassis.
Eww no. We don't need to be encouraging people to get locked into a weird proprietary ecosystem. HomeLabs are about learning. You should be using real tools like Linux(Proxmox), BSD, Hyper-V, ESXi, etc. How would you even make an "UnRAID Case"? I guess you could have a deeply recessed USB port in the front that let you use their dumb DRM scheme without having to have the USB-key hanging off the front, or buried inside the case... NOTE: UnRAID was very cool several years ago when they had a reasonably working way to pass PCIe devices to VMs, and NO ONE else did it well. But Linux/BSD have been doing it better than UnRAID for a long time. There is no reason to keep using UnRAID.
@@Prophes0r yeah, some of us don't live behind computer screens and have better things to do than become Linux, BSD, Hyper-V, ESXi, etc. experts. UnRAID is simple, easy to grow into, and just works.
@@user-dr2pg8fk2i Whoah there. I never said we should be learning EVERYTHING. That's unreasonable. Pick one and run with it. "UnRAID is simple..." Yes. It is. "...easy to grow into..." You are losing me. There isn't a lot of growth to be done. "...and just works." Which is the problem. Kinda. Because A. No it doesn't. It does a much worse job at most things. And B. Pushbutton solutions are wrong. I don't expect someone to know how to rebuild an engine before they can drive. But I DO expect some level of basic knowledge and experience before anyone is allowed behind the wheel of a multi-ton death-machine. The same applies to Admin. Further, my biggest argument is about UnRAID's shitty licensing policies. It's like they hired an executive from the Music production industry to set up their DRM. (The vast majority of Digital Audio Workstation and production gear uses the same USB-key license nonsense)
@@Prophes0r Go look for an argument somewhere else. Push button solutions are not "wrong" that's strictly an opinion you hold. Admin does not carry the same 'level of basic knowledge and experience' as what can only be assumed as a car in your analogy. A case specifically designed for UnRAID is not unreasonable. Some pretentious schmuck like you go out the of the way to *grace* us with your opinion on the other hand is unreasonable.
I...what? A 12U case is...ridiculous. It would be a cube the size of a filing cabinet. If you need more than that 360mm rad and high-flow fans, you need to use external hoses(with disconnects) to a remote radiator. More than 4U-5U would just be a big empty box. Racks are about being space efficient.
What you're talking about would be a chassis the size of a mini fridge and would be mostly empty space inside, that's dumb lol. Rack space is expensive.
Good review, but I cringe every time you pronounce "Sliger". SLY-gr. Like "Tiger". The way you keep saying it is WAY to close to Nn...nnever mind. It's deeply uncomfortable, is what it is.
Sliger isn't "Sligger" doesn't rhyme with tigger, bigger, or figure. Its Sliger as in Tiger or Geiger. What they don't show you in these videos is the actual racking of these cases. Anyone wanting a rack mount solution with rails stay away from these. My whole reasoning for buying these was that I could fit AIO's and they'd be easy to build in and maintain and its been nothing but a headache that I regret. I made the mistake of buying both the 3U and 4U with rails and the rails they sell are generic garbage and don't mate up properly with the holes on the side of the server so the servers wont slide in flush with the rack to actually screw in. There are not good instructions or diagram showing a proper way of doing this so you're just left to guess which holes are supposed to be used and no combination I've tried allows the case to completely slide into the rack without some type of issue. Add to that the boxes are too wide once the rails are mounted which causes the rack mounted slide to mar the side of the server which kinda defeats the purpose of spending this much on something that looks nice just to have some stupid detail like that screw up the powder coating. Ive tried fitting these in 5 different racks so at this point the rack cant be blamed for the shenanigans. They send some 3D printed spacer with the rails that's supposed to align the rails and 4 out of the 5 racks this just made the fitment issues worse. I really wanted to love these because my Ceberus was an amazing case to build in but these just overpriced and not very well designed or tested the same way the Ceberus and other desktop style cases they sell. Knowing what I know now I would have just waited and bought the HL15 or saved myself some money and bought one of rosewill's offerings.
Thanks for showing the face plate removal! I assume the 3U is similar and that will be awesome for custom paint jobs.
This case is also a 3U and yeah, that removable faceplate just _screams_ *PAINT ME!*
@@2GuysTek ? It is 4U.
It's in the model number.
You even said 4U in the video.
Why 3U unless you REALLY need something specific to fill out your rack?
2U and 4U/5U are the sweet spots.
- 2U fits 80mm fans. [1]
- 4U fits 120mm fans. And also full-height PCIe cards.
- 5U is a weird edge case. Much less common, but the extra height is useful for fitting taller CPU coolers and over-height GPUs.
There is nothing WRONG with 3U. But they are less common, so more expensive.
They also don't provide much more than 2U.
[1] Barely. But the point is that 2U goes out of it's way to fit 80mm. 3U designs, even though they are 50% taller, are NOT designed to fit the 50% bigger 120mm fans.
@@Prophes0r I ended up buying the 4U and I love it! I only have 25RUs to work with but after looking at the pros and cons 4U was a good choice for my situation. Here's what sold me on the 4U version over the 3U:
-The 4U version has enough space to mount 40mm fans above the PCIE slots to add a little extra air-flow for 10g NICs and GPUs
and
-The 4U version can use a standard ATX PSU(which I already owned)
The 3U version of this case can actually use up to 3 120mm fans and take full height PCIE devices. If I was going to do a similar build from scratch and didn't need extra headroom/cooling for multiple PCIE devices I might go for the 3U.
Whatever someone's looking for I highly recommend this case. Solid build quality, great airflow, and they're the nicest looking rack mount DIY chassis I've seen on a non-enterprise chassis.
Love these review videos keep up the good work fellas!
I kinda miss the days of beige cases and mustard and ketchup wiring. At least the PCs were easy to work on. Great looking build!
Nostalgia is a hell of a drug :-) I miss those days too!
Remember that only the MOST expensive Ketchup & Mustard PCs bothered to finish the edges of their sheet metal.
Those rose-colored-glasses might just be tinted with the blood of thousands of sliced hands and cut up knuckles.
Was able to mount four HDD's and two SSD's in the CX4150E, if you don't have a NAS or DAS, this may do it.
It's pronounced 'Sly-gur'... put some respect on Kahlin Sliger's name. 😜
FIRST !! so far this is a DAMN sexy simple looking case !
With a maximum CPU cooler height of 158mm how did you get on with installing the DeepCool AK620?
It's 160mm in height but you didn't appear to encounter any issues.
Great question! The short answer is, you saw it fit, so it fits - there’s enough room even if the manufacturer’s specs say it ain’t so!
@@2GuysTek Or you got lucky.
The little knobby ends of heat-pipes can vary between units.
You MIGHT get lucky. But most of the time you won't.
How much space was there between the GPU cable and the lid?
I might take a stab at this one even for a server. I have a Gigabyte B550 Aorus with three NVME slots. Kinda hard to justify $240-$280 though.
Does this thing support a 280mm AIO?
This would be great for a local llm server
Awesome video!! Im not a pro at building Computers but what would be a good motherboard for gaming on a $1200 budget.
It's all going to depend on whether you're planning on going Intel or AMD. If you're going AMD, take a look at the B550 motherboards, like this one here from MSi: amzn.to/3KbHalr. Consider joining our Discord and asking questions there, there are plenty of people with opinions on what sorta hardware and build you could go with!
@@2GuysTek should i just ignore the 1 star reviews because thats why i cant get a mother board or anything else. All the reviews at saying the product is trash.
Cool case. The empty box desc is a blank canvas to me. 😁🤓
My inexpensive Rosewill case has a bit of flex too. Once the lid is on though it's plenty rigid.
Uww they make hot swap drive bay versions. Will have to check them out. 👍 Maybe they are less $ than a supermicro chassis.
Sliger "sly-ger", when it doubt, "when two vowels go walking the first one does the talking, even when ere is a consonant between them"
Too bad they are on back order. Would be awesome to see @sliger make an UnRAID case.
Eww no.
We don't need to be encouraging people to get locked into a weird proprietary ecosystem.
HomeLabs are about learning. You should be using real tools like Linux(Proxmox), BSD, Hyper-V, ESXi, etc.
How would you even make an "UnRAID Case"?
I guess you could have a deeply recessed USB port in the front that let you use their dumb DRM scheme without having to have the USB-key hanging off the front, or buried inside the case...
NOTE: UnRAID was very cool several years ago when they had a reasonably working way to pass PCIe devices to VMs, and NO ONE else did it well.
But Linux/BSD have been doing it better than UnRAID for a long time. There is no reason to keep using UnRAID.
@@Prophes0r yeah, some of us don't live behind computer screens and have better things to do than become Linux, BSD, Hyper-V, ESXi, etc. experts. UnRAID is simple, easy to grow into, and just works.
@@user-dr2pg8fk2i Whoah there. I never said we should be learning EVERYTHING. That's unreasonable.
Pick one and run with it.
"UnRAID is simple..."
Yes. It is.
"...easy to grow into..."
You are losing me. There isn't a lot of growth to be done.
"...and just works."
Which is the problem. Kinda.
Because A. No it doesn't. It does a much worse job at most things.
And B. Pushbutton solutions are wrong.
I don't expect someone to know how to rebuild an engine before they can drive. But I DO expect some level of basic knowledge and experience before anyone is allowed behind the wheel of a multi-ton death-machine.
The same applies to Admin.
Further, my biggest argument is about UnRAID's shitty licensing policies.
It's like they hired an executive from the Music production industry to set up their DRM. (The vast majority of Digital Audio Workstation and production gear uses the same USB-key license nonsense)
@@Prophes0r Go look for an argument somewhere else. Push button solutions are not "wrong" that's strictly an opinion you hold. Admin does not carry the same 'level of basic knowledge and experience' as what can only be assumed as a car in your analogy.
A case specifically designed for UnRAID is not unreasonable. Some pretentious schmuck like you go out the of the way to *grace* us with your opinion on the other hand is unreasonable.
too expensive in my opinion. basically its just an empty box... why does it cost 240 USD
"As previously mentioned in a future video..."
um... no?
This is the future video: Building a #homelab server from the ground up! - Branden's EPYC Server Build!
ua-cam.com/video/ZBZPPJt5gjw/v-deo.html
@@2GuysTek ...
Should have been 8 or 12 U with the lower part being for rads.... 360mm is never enough to cool both CPU and GPU.
I...what? A 12U case is...ridiculous. It would be a cube the size of a filing cabinet.
If you need more than that 360mm rad and high-flow fans, you need to use external hoses(with disconnects) to a remote radiator.
More than 4U-5U would just be a big empty box.
Racks are about being space efficient.
What you're talking about would be a chassis the size of a mini fridge and would be mostly empty space inside, that's dumb lol. Rack space is expensive.
Sliger is pronounced like Sly-ger.
Good review, but I cringe every time you pronounce "Sliger".
SLY-gr. Like "Tiger".
The way you keep saying it is WAY to close to Nn...nnever mind. It's deeply uncomfortable, is what it is.
Haha! Noted!
Sliger isn't "Sligger" doesn't rhyme with tigger, bigger, or figure. Its Sliger as in Tiger or Geiger. What they don't show you in these videos is the actual racking of these cases. Anyone wanting a rack mount solution with rails stay away from these. My whole reasoning for buying these was that I could fit AIO's and they'd be easy to build in and maintain and its been nothing but a headache that I regret.
I made the mistake of buying both the 3U and 4U with rails and the rails they sell are generic garbage and don't mate up properly with the holes on the side of the server so the servers wont slide in flush with the rack to actually screw in. There are not good instructions or diagram showing a proper way of doing this so you're just left to guess which holes are supposed to be used and no combination I've tried allows the case to completely slide into the rack without some type of issue. Add to that the boxes are too wide once the rails are mounted which causes the rack mounted slide to mar the side of the server which kinda defeats the purpose of spending this much on something that looks nice just to have some stupid detail like that screw up the powder coating. Ive tried fitting these in 5 different racks so at this point the rack cant be blamed for the shenanigans. They send some 3D printed spacer with the rails that's supposed to align the rails and 4 out of the 5 racks this just made the fitment issues worse.
I really wanted to love these because my Ceberus was an amazing case to build in but these just overpriced and not very well designed or tested the same way the Ceberus and other desktop style cases they sell. Knowing what I know now I would have just waited and bought the HL15 or saved myself some money and bought one of rosewill's offerings.